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In the wake of the tragedies in Perm and Ulan-Ude. Shooters have already found?

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The year that began on 2018 shook the public with resonant attacks in Russian schools - in Perm (January 15) and Ulan-Ude (January 19). And in one, and in another case, the suspects are either current or former students of the very schools in which the massacre was arranged. Fortunately, there are no dead. Unfortunately - there are wounded, and hard. Among the wounded are teachers and pupils of primary classes. So, the 13-year-old student from the Ulan-Ude school is in a coma, the teacher from Perm Natalia Shagulina received 17 knife wounds and at the moment her condition is estimated as “moderate”.


There is no longer any need to go into all the details of what happened, since, among other things, on the pages of our information and analytical resource, what happened was described in sufficient detail (as far as Roskomnadzor allows) in news summaries. I will cite just a few testimonies of eyewitnesses and those directly affected - for, so to speak, an attempt to feel the situation “from the inside”.

In an interview with the information service Life news Irina Ramenskaya, the Russian language teacher of school No. 5, Ulan-Ude, told the following (about the events of January 19):
I led a lesson, the door opened, something threw. They hit me in the head, I did not even feel the blow. The smoke has gone. I began to withdraw students. When she jumped out, she saw that the man was just chopping down children with an ax. I returned them to the office again - everything was burning there. ... I was already bleeding.


In the wake of the tragedies in Perm and Ulan-Ude. Shooters have already found?


From the statement of the Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of Buryatia, Peter Mordovsky (quote "Baikal Daily"):
The suspect is already testifying that he has entered the school. He is a student of this educational institution, and he carried a container with a flammable liquid, opened the class and threw it (capacity, - author's note) there. And when the teacher and the students began to evacuate from the classroom, he chopped wounds with an ax. Currently 6 students are hospitalized and the seventh is a detainee who caused himself a knife wound and injured his leg when falling from a school window. No other facts about the fact that this was a group attack, that there were several attackers, we do not know.


At the moment, law enforcement officers find out all the details of what happened in the Perm region and the Republic of Buryatia. There is a prosecutor's office, investigative bodies, departments of education of the subjects of the federation, and so on, among others, among the many controlling bodies. And we don’t have to say how many of these control bodies we have in our country ...

What does this kind of work come down to? Perhaps, in finding the root of the problem of growing aggression in the teenage (and not only) environment? Perhaps, in building a new system that would finally tell the general public about what final “product” the domestic system of upbringing and education forms? Yeah ... Schazz ...

According to the established “tradition”, all this work comes down to one thing - to quickly launch towards the authorities of the controlling organizations a multi-page report in which the “switchmen” will be unequivocally called. In turn, the “satisfied” reports of the authorities will redirect the reports to their heads, and the results of the investigation will be posted in the media as evidence of the work done by the departments - “painstakingly” done, aha-aha ...

The fact that such work actually means is well-known. In addition to those who are faced with the rage of the raging Perm and Buryat teenagers, the pedagogical collectives of the very schools that were attacked (schools) were frankly sorry (indeed sorry). And the very scapegoats mentioned above will definitely be found “on the ground”. Controlling "comrades" will pereryut all the reporting documentation of educational institutions in the hope of not finding a report on the educational work of the average teacher for the "un" period, the contract on hiring security services, etc. And even if all the reports for all the periods of interest are presented to the inspection commissions, there is an “experienced checker” in the piles of papers that are literally inundated with modern educational institutions across the country that do not detect any lighting instructions or any of the series “ Safety guidelines for attacking a school using a Molotov cocktail. "

Say - a stupid and inappropriate irony in this situation. Perhaps we should agree.

But people who are directly connected with the modern education system, in fact, understand what is at stake. The pedagogical staff is literally chained into endless demands for the timeliness of filing reports - literally for any reason (and if there is no reason, but there is a desire for the examiner, then no reason). Classrooms are transformed from places where you need to sow the most sensible, good, eternal, where you need to conduct a direct dialogue with students, into hubs of waste paper from ridiculous plans, instructions, statements, jurisdictions and other things. Any inspection commission checks first of all which activity? - That's right, paper-making. The fact that a teacher, not only for his modest salary, has to spend much more time on paper than students (not to mention his own family, you can forget about it ...) doesn't bother anyone "above" . There is a paper - "live" on. There is no paper - “oh, you, inefficient biomass with a teacher’s diploma!” “Oh, you backward uncreative adept of the rotten and mossy of the Soviet system!” “Oh, you sneaky hater of innovations!” - it means, because of you, the “schooter” that was smoked and sniffed by anyone who was not noticed with an ax, knife and Molotov cocktail went up to the third floor of the school. But there would be a schedule of lighting and volume of reports on student-centered educational work with the “school doctor” for all his training from young nails, maybe you would have been lucky, worm ... You say there are such reports? - Oh, you are so-and-so, you want to transfer all the arrows of responsibility to the higher management, to (oh, horror!) Sovereign servants, who day and night think about how to make our education even better? !!

But after all, by and large, a teacher in a modern school is not at all ready for the challenges that one has to face. Well, they do not teach in pedagogical universities to devote more time to papers than to children. Do not teach ...

An important testimony of the parents of students of the school №5 in Ulan-Ude:
Through messengers, children were sent messages telling them not to go to school that day. It was written like this: "Do not go to school - there will be meat."


And here there is a clue from the inspection authorities: school teachers did not keep up with the newsletter, did not monitor the mountain of pages on social networks, did not report to whom and where necessary. So - guilty! ..

Here you need to inform readers that monitoring social networks today also rests on the shoulders of the teacher. Yes Yes. And this too.

Authorities require a weekly report that someone from the schoolchildren doesn’t like or “repost” something.

In other words, in social networks it can easily be “something is not right”, and who is responsible for this is, to put it mildly, not quite clear. But if the TEACHER did not follow the likes and reposts, then the switchman is again obvious. Well, of course, it is he himself - that same ordinary teacher - who else. After all, in addition to filling in quintals of papers, he also needs to control what children are writing on social networks, what informational activity is shown in messengers. Gain for it to wages? - And here it is not (at least, not always and not for everyone), because for some time educational and law enforcement officials began to believe that even the monitoring of students' activity in instant messengers and social networks is also "included in the rate" of the average teacher. Optimization, and how you wanted ...

And this is the revelation of the father of one of the attackers:
I left the family ten years ago. Initially met with his son. But 4 a year ago, the ex-wife finally forbade me to see him. I initially tried to contact him. But then the son somehow ceased to make contact. And that's all - we never saw each other again.


Of course, it can be assumed that the fault here for the fact that the ex-wife forbade the ex-husband to meet with their common child may be addressed to the pedagogical community - they didn’t see, you know, they didn’t follow, they didn’t go in deep contact with relatives ...
But is not this the revelation of the father of a teenager - a signal that the root of the problem lies much deeper than the mere turmoil and nonsense in the modern education system. Want marriage and divorce statistics for 2017 a year? - 829 couples divorced 1000 registered marriages in the national average. And there are seven regions where the number of divorces and completely surpassed the number of marriages. These are the Leningrad, Kirov, Bryansk, Vladimir regions, the Republic of Komi and Kalmykia, and the Altai Territory. For example, in the Leningrad region on 1000 marriages in 2017, there were 1119 divorces. It is hardly possible to assume that such a number of divorces in a country has a particularly positive effect on the upbringing of modern youth. Children of “runaway” parents often remain left to themselves even against the background of psychological trauma, when a child is not just hard to perceive living separately father and mother, but even harder to perceive when one of his parents is forbidden to see him. Where to look for opportunities to throw out emotions? - yes anywhere. Someone goes to the sports section or finds an outlet in the artistic environment. And someone is attracted by pseudo-political shows or the "romance" of crime, which some characters just want to demonstrate to their peers. He took an ax in his hands, marked “his real toughness” on the Internet, bought more salts, spices and other rubbish for parental money that was readily available on the Web, and went “to assert itself”. Others decided to turn themselves (at the call of Facebook) into zooplankton on the marches of "dissenters."

So, of course, they will write a piece of paper; scapegoats will find; in the media about the work done will report. And then what? Again a piece of paper, again a report, again a press release about the effectiveness of work bordering on genius? ..

Perhaps in the 100 time from the stands we will all hear about how to properly fight for family values. Well, this in Europe is homosexuals and juvenile justice, but in our country everything is great - the values ​​are protected in full ...
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Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the Republic of Buryatia
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 22 January 2018 06: 33
    +7
    In general, they are going to take any measures so far that is not visible and not heard. This is not just petty hooliganism, but an emergency with a capital letter.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 22 January 2018 06: 47
      +3
      They are going to reintroduce security enterprises in schools. Moreover, urgently, and in the near future I have not been interested in schools for a long time, since all the children have already grown up, but I was surprised at the lack of protection introduced after the Beslan tragedy. in the good old days, such grandmothers of an old woman .. After being relieved from one place, the Ministry of Education began to save money for their beloved ones. At first half a day, and then completely ceased to pay the labor of protection. Here and before they were protected.
      1. your1970
        your1970 22 January 2018 10: 30
        18
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        They intend to reintroduce security enterprises in schools. Moreover, urgently, and in the near future I have not been interested in schools for a long time, since all the children have already grown up, but I was surprised at the lack of protection introduced after the Beslan tragedy. The place of the guards was occupied by VAKHTER !!!!! How in the good old days, such grandmothers of an old woman .. After being relieved from one place,in the Ministry of Education began to save money for their loved ones. At first for half a day, and then completely ceased to pay the labor of protection. Here and before they were guarded.
        - As a former serviceman (5 years) of special units of the explosives for the protection of important facilities, I can say one thing. To protect the school and to exclude such cases, no private security company can — not by force, it is technically impossible. It is possible to limit access — but to exclude the case of attacks from the inside precisely because it is not a school. And no frames / inspections of portfolios will help, take a word.
        Well, this place is not secure - the school is precisely due to its contingent (mass, the impossibility of using weapons, the specifics of the school as an organization).
        Z.Y. you can create a scenery, put a private security officer with a saiga there - like there is security. But it will be a label from the guard — not the guard itself.
      2. MoJloT
        MoJloT 22 January 2018 14: 41
        0
        Security contracts go mostly in competitive ways. This year it will be due to the subsidy of a dedicated educational organization for the implementation of primary, general and secondary education programs.
      3. Glory1974
        Glory1974 22 January 2018 14: 56
        +4
        was surprised at the lack of protection introduced after the Beslan tragedy.

        In Beslan, there was not even a guard, but a police officer. And in the attack, he killed two terrorists. But that did not save.
        Introducing protection at school is a “tail pound”, and the true reasons will again be ignored. And therefore, everything will happen again.
      4. raw174
        raw174 22 January 2018 14: 57
        0
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        They intend to reintroduce security companies in schools, moreover, urgently, and in the near future

        I’m telling you competently (I’m now routinely checking schools as part of the anti-terrorist commission), on October 7.10.2017, 100, a decree of the Government of the Russian Federation on the protection of educational facilities was issued, which clearly spelled out what institutions need private security officers, namely, the number of victims of the alleged terrorist attack is more than 5 people, or damage from him more than XNUMX million rubles, or in the last year in the territory there was a terrorist attack or his attempt. Money for protection should come from the municipality, if it is not (and there will be no money without a prosecutor’s order) then there will be no protection, that’s the whole situation. And yes, schools have paper above the roof, but we (the commission) help them, give all the "dolls" of documents ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 22 January 2018 16: 02
          0
          there is, for example, a school with a staff of over 1000 people - but there is no private security company (even the extra-departmental Ministry of Internal Affairs no longer exists, the nearest one is 120 km away ...)
          Which municipality will have enough money to ensure that the private security company in the region (and they are mostly everywhere in the regional centers) agrees to take employees on business trips over 350 km? And locating locals with a license for weapons is not an option, everyone goes to Moscow where earn more ...
          1. raw174
            raw174 23 January 2018 06: 11
            0
            Quote: your1970
            (even the extra-departmental Ministry of Internal Affairs has no shnoy-the closest one is 120 km away)

            They, moreover, have a price tag higher than ChOPovsky and yes, now they are not getting the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but the Rosguard, we’ll get used to it))) They are from the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the FSB in the inspection commission and they are reporting errors.
            Quote: your1970
            Which municipality will have enough money to ensure that the private security company in the region (and they are mainly everywhere in the regional centers) agrees to carry employees on business trips for 350 km

            We have a private security company in the district center, but there is no money for it either, and there won’t be money without a direct order from the prosecutor’s office or a court’s decision, there are more important things to do than to keep a guard at school. According to Federal Law 272, the commission may decide to lower the category of the object situationally, I think they will do so (you just need to understand the application of the norms, the legal acts are different). My personal opinion is that ChOPovets will not be able to prevent the tragedy in 90% of cases and there is no need to make a regime object from school ...
      5. perm23
        perm23 24 January 2018 06: 23
        0
        what a guard at school can do. almost nothing. If he applies force against the child. parents will file a lawsuit against him and the guard will be to blame
    2. populist
      populist 22 January 2018 06: 53
      20
      Spartanez300
      In general, they are going to take any measures so far that is not visible and not heard.

      These aggressive teenagers appeared as a result of the regime of social and anti-cultural policy. Therefore, no drastic improvements in the youth environment can be expected. But power cannot control itself - it will turn into its opposite by pike command, by our will. crying vote for Grudinin. good
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 22 January 2018 07: 03
        13
        vote for Grudinin.

        Yeah ... imagine that Grudinin came to power ... really he will begin to break the current system of power ... well, he is not insane to cut the branch on which he sits ... smile
        how all the same people are naive believing in the next good tsar-father ... do not expect ...
        tax will also be ... hehe heh strawberries maybe more on the table will be more but otherwise little will change.
        1. passing
          passing 22 January 2018 08: 59
          10
          how all the same people are naive believing in the next good tsar-father ... don’t hope ..

          Change, in a democratic election does not suit many leaders, this is one way to change the snickering elite! Or do you propose not to pay attention to the worsening situation in the country? Itself will not resolve !!!! hi
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 22 January 2018 09: 58
            +7
            Sure, not a problem!
            Only to whom? Grudinin - a muddy project, a dark horse. Who is that? In addition to the fact that he manages the company, built up by selling land near Moscow (in his own words), we do not know anything about him.
            He is going to organize life in Russia in the same way (in his own words).
            Great, sir. It remains to find out where to collect all of Russia land near Moscow for all of Russia.
            1. passing
              passing 22 January 2018 10: 03
              +3
              Only to whom? Grudinin - a muddy project, a dark horse. Who is that?

              Sorry, I don’t know yet! I am not a fan of Grudinin, but he does not represent himself, but the interests and line of the Communist Party, which attracts me. But whether they will fulfill their election program is a question, and a very important one! Whether I go to the polls depends on the answer to this question hi
              1. Mar.Tirah
                Mar.Tirah 22 January 2018 10: 39
                +5
                I will answer you with the words of Stalin. But it’s up to you to decide who the current Communist Party is, and Grudinin who paid for his election from her. There are two groups of Marxists. Both of them work under the flag of Marxism, consider themselves “truly” Marxist. And yet they are far from identical. Moreover: there is an abyss between them, because the methods of their work are diametrically opposed.

                The first group is usually limited to the external recognition of Marxism, its solemn proclamation. Not knowing or not wanting to understand the essence of Marxism, not knowing how or not wanting to put it into practice, it transforms the living and revolutionary positions of Marxism into dead formulas that do not say anything. She bases her activity not on experience, not on the basis of practical work, but on quotations from Marx. She draws instructions and directives not from an analysis of living reality, but from analogies and historical parallels. The discrepancy between words and deeds is the main disease of this group. Hence the disappointment and eternal discontent with fate, which all the time brings it, leaves “with a nose”. The name of this group is Menshevism (in Russia), opportunism (in Europe). Comrade Tyszko (Yogyges) at the London Congress involuntarily aptly described this group, saying that it was not standing, but was on the point of view of Marxism.
                The second group, on the contrary, transfers the center of gravity of the issue from the external recognition of Marxism to its implementation, to its implementation. The marking of the ways and means of implementing Marxism appropriate to the situation, the change of these ways and means, when the situation changes, is what this group draws its attention to mainly. This group draws directives and directions not from historical analogies and parallels, but from the study of environmental conditions. In her activity, she does not rely on quotes and sayings, but on practical experience, testing every step of her experience, learning from her mistakes and teaching others how to build a new life. This, in fact, explains that in the activities of this group the word does not diverge from the deed and the teachings of Marx retain their full living revolutionary force. The words of Marx are quite suitable for this group, due to which the Marxists cannot stop to explain the world, but must go further in order to change it. The name of this group is Bolshevism, communism.
                1. passing
                  passing 22 January 2018 10: 45
                  +1
                  The second group, on the contrary, transfers the center of gravity of the issue from the external recognition of Marxism to its implementation, to its implementation. The marking of the ways and means of implementing Marxism appropriate to the situation, the change of these ways and means, when the situation changes, is what this group draws its attention to mainly. This group draws directives and directions not from historical analogies and parallels, but from the study of environmental conditions. In her activity, she does not rely on quotes and sayings, but on practical experience, testing every step of her experience, learning from her mistakes and teaching others how to build a new life. This, in fact, explains that in the activities of this group the word does not diverge from the deed and the teachings of Marx retain their full living revolutionary force. The words of Marx are quite suitable for this group, due to which the Marxists cannot stop to explain the world, but must go further in order to change it. The name of this group is Bolshevism, communism.

                  Can you explain who these people are? or are they underground?
                  1. Mar.Tirah
                    Mar.Tirah 22 January 2018 13: 39
                    +3
                    To be honest, those who spoke on behalf of the Communists were either driven into a coffin or under a baseboard. They have neither opportunities, nor finances, nor popular support. But the Communist Party Zyuganova just doesn’t get to them. Go with a bow, on the first, and to accept pioneers on camera, while fully supporting the laws of the State Duma, and the Kremlin’s policies, has nothing to do with Marxism.
                    1. passing
                      passing 22 January 2018 16: 28
                      +2
                      To be honest, those who spoke on behalf of the Communists, either in the coffin or under the baseboard

                      To some extent, I agree with you. But, unfortunately, the villains have entrenched themselves in power and changing it peacefully is to re-elect the president.
              2. Petr1968
                Petr1968 22 January 2018 13: 40
                0
                Quote: passing
                I'm not a fan of Grudinin, but he represents not himself, but the interests and line of the Communist Party

                But whose interests represents the Communist Party ...?))) Obviously not the people, see their rating.
                1. passing
                  passing 22 January 2018 16: 24
                  +2
                  But whose interests represents the Communist Party ...?))) Obviously not the people, see their rating.

                  The low rating of the Communist Party is associated with the identity of Zyuganov. Mr. Zyuganov directed all his activities to preserve his beloved in the State Duma, he had to leave a long time ago. Of course this is my subjective opinion. hi
          2. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 25 January 2018 09: 37
            0
            "snickering elite" then it is easier to remove a too zealous leader and there is always justification for such a replacement. even 2000 years ago, "legally" crucified God! And for a mere mortal and less power would be needed
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 22 January 2018 09: 41
          +5
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Well, he’s not crazy to cut the branch on which he sits ...
          HM interesting. He is not a deputy, not a minister, he does not manage a state corporation, in general he does not have access to a state feeding service. And bitch here?
        3. Stas157
          Stas157 22 January 2018 09: 42
          11
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Yeah ... imagine that Grudinin came to power ... really he will begin to break the current system of power ...

          Maybe it will start. Otherwise, why was the current elite so scared of him? If he did not carry any changes, then they would be afraid of him for nothing. But the current Guarantor - certainly will not start. Therefore, all those who are on top will keep him in power for the hundredth time in a row. Or what is it, I don’t remember?
          If we want Russia for some time to develop in a civilized way, and not in a revolutionary way, then Grudinin is our chance. The civilizational path of development is progressive changes in society that take place in a bloodless way, the change of power in the end ... Most of the electorate is against the Maidans and Revolutions, so let the same come in a NEW, civilized way through elections. And do not wait for the bubble of popular indignation to burst (Not now, of course, but with time. Dissatisfaction with the authorities is clearly growing!), And the regime that has seized its teeth on the authorities and Russian wealth will not sweep away.
      2. vlad66
        vlad66 22 January 2018 14: 10
        11
        Quote: populist
        will turn into its opposite by pike command, at our will. crying vote for Grudinin.

        Jesus recourse How tired of this babble or idiocy request vote for this or that, the next day you will be happy fool fool May there be no happiness for you. No jelly banks, no milk rivers, no freebies, and no one will put anything in your mouth, except for yourself. request Your hedgehog is copper, as everyone clinked with these choices. KINDERGARTEN, PANTS ON THE BAGS. sad Sadly, adults like men who have gone through fire, water and copper pipes. crying
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Yeah ... imagine that Grudinin came to power ... really he will begin to break the current system of power

        Alexey, he won’t break it, he will sit and it’s important to puff out his cheeks, read that they will be slipped off by those who REDISTRIBUTE OWNERSHIP and redirect financial flows from one oligarch to another and that’s all. Damn the Ukrainians, but we also believe everyone who then it will restore order, well, yes, yes, yes. Best regards, Alex. hi
      3. raw174
        raw174 22 January 2018 14: 58
        +3
        Quote: populist
        These aggressive teenagers appeared as a result of the regime of social and anti-cultural policy.

        They were always there, just before we would not have known about them, because there were no communications ... or did children's colonies appear yesterday? or empty?
      4. perm23
        perm23 24 January 2018 06: 24
        +1
        and that Grudinin is better. Not at all. Trader who rides like a weather vane in lots.
    3. Petr1968
      Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      In general, they are going to take any measures so far that is not visible and not heard. This is not just petty hooliganism, but an emergency with a capital letter.

      Which country, such and children .... they are part of society.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 22 January 2018 06: 36
    14
    Of course, it can be assumed that the fault here for the fact that the ex-wife forbade the ex-husband to meet with their common child may be addressed to the pedagogical community - they didn’t see, you know, they didn’t follow, they didn’t go in deep contact with relatives ...

    I wonder why the teased teenagers attacked defenseless children of elementary grades and women ... why they didn’t attack guards or strong men, for example ... the essence of a small jackal afraid of the strong and degrading of the weak.
    So all the same, fear deep down in their hearts that they will receive change and they will have quick punishment ... that means you can somehow influence their internal aggression against society.
    I am afraid that these scumbags of adolescents will again be graciously forgiven and reproached, referring to their youth and fragile souls ... no, they are already quite mature wolves ready to kill their victims ... Thank God no one has taught them how to kill professionally ... punishment such ready-made killers should be very cruel and merciless ... no pity for these scumbags, otherwise we will again get another tragedy at school ... and this should be explained to all future Breiviks.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 22 January 2018 07: 24
      +7
      Write everything correctly.
      Thank God that so far no one has taught them to kill professionally ...
      Well this is a matter of time. In Ukraine, under the tacit approval of the authorities, how many years there have been (and continue to operate) camps for training militants, the knowledge and training of which was required at the right time (Maidan). And we have a blind eye on the opposition and its actions. Navalny has already shown that he can take teenagers and youth out of the street, moreover aggressive.
    2. Moore
      Moore 22 January 2018 07: 34
      12
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I wonder why the teased teenagers attacked defenseless children of elementary grades and women ... why they didn’t attack guards or strong men, for example ... a sort of essence of a small jackal afraid of strong and humiliating weak. All the same, fear at heart means that they will receive surrender and quick punishment they have

      Absolutely agree. One of the main incentives for lawlessness of juvenile scum is confidence in impunity or insignificance of punishment. Confidence is based not on a bare spot, but on the tendency of our powers that be - to bring our already vegetarian legislation as close as possible to "universal values." Well, that is, when not so much the perpetrator is to blame as the victim, environment, weather conditions, etc. d.
      And of course, broadcasting about the costs of globalism, as without them ....
      So we got to the point that a young thug in a special school can be given only with the consent of the parents.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 22 January 2018 07: 37
        +3
        Here is a typical 2014 example of YOSHKAR-OLA ...

        The second series of Marlezon ballet ...
        1. Firework
          Firework 22 January 2018 07: 45
          15
          in Soviet times, this bully would go to a youngster, to amuse cellmates with funny crowing
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 10: 09
            +8
            in Soviet times, this bully would go to a youngster

            so it is in Soviet times, and now tea democratic values ​​are held in high esteem. Now the psychiatric patients are studying with the rest, because separate training violates their rights. To be honest, when watching these videos, I caught myself on the desire to endure this nonsense teeth so that I wore it in handfuls. I am sure it would be much more effective than preventive conversations.
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 03
              +1
              Quote: Bulrumeb
              so it is in Soviet times, and now tea democratic values ​​are held in high esteem.

              In Soviet times, there were no crimes ??? Are you raving ??
              1. Bulrumeb
                Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 11: 10
                +4
                You rave dear, not sober in the morning? Can you show where I wrote that in Soviet times there were no crimes?
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 22 January 2018 13: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Bulrumeb
                  You rave dear, not sober in the morning? Can you show where I wrote that in Soviet times there were no crimes?

                  Well, how do you contrast the Soviet time and the present. Explain how that time was different in terms of crime?
                  1. Bulrumeb
                    Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 13: 48
                    +5
                    Explain how that time was different in terms of crime?
                    Yes, at least the fact that in Soviet times, juvenile delinquency was, but it was an order of magnitude lower, especially for grave ones, this time. And two is that in Soviet times, youngsters easily drove into a special school if not in a colony. What now? not reached the age of criminal responsibility - walk yourself further.
                  2. kot28.ru
                    kot28.ru 22 January 2018 14: 12
                    +9
                    In Soviet times, such renegades had the right to primary education in a special school and a wolf’s ticket for life! But in fact, there the whole class, judging by the video, is flawed, this juvenile bastard was proudly shot on phones and NO ONE could stop him or not wanted? Lost carcasses for society! Yes, we were not saints either, BUT NOBODY AND NEVER dared to say a bad word to the teacher, but here ... only obscenities! am
                    1. Petr1968
                      Petr1968 22 January 2018 14: 30
                      +1
                      Quote: kot28.ru
                      BUT NOBODY AND NEVER dared to say a bad word to the teacher, but here ... only mate!

                      So it’s better to educate. My child does not swear (publicly at least). And where is democracy or the Soviet Union? This is a matter of parenting !!! And yet ... these scumbags do not care for your wolf tickets and special schools. His parents thump from morning to night, they also do not care for the child. And Obama is not to blame for this.
                      1. kot28.ru
                        kot28.ru 22 January 2018 15: 19
                        +4
                        Did I even say about Obama? Where? And about the frostbitten ones, so if they don’t care about punishment, then they’re in prison, let them rot! These are lost people, so why should they endure them? Or wait until they start mass executions? Rape? Cannibalism? Of course the Korolev-Mendeleevs will not work out, but the Breiviks are more likely! Unfortunately, the current system is too humane for such representatives of homomedosapiens
                        By the way, the dad of one of the Perms is a successful businessman, respectively, not an asocial, not a bukhara, but what is the son doing? But what do the “representatives of the golden youth” do, is it not visible?
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 22 January 2018 10: 50
          10
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          The second series of Marlezon ballet ...

          It is significant that an unbelievable teenager had only an apology! This is a measure of responsibility, which in case of public insults and threats to life can be incurred by a potential young criminal. Yes, for this it was necessary to isolate from society (for a youngster) a dangerous teenager and a degradant! Maybe - cruel, but fair. And the rest of the insoles would have cooled. The "mistake" of the scumbags was that they shot it on the camera and burnt, otherwise, I would not have to apologize!
          At this time, the state does not protect us, our children and teachers. There is no sense of security and security. The authorities protect only themselves and their children (private lyceums and special schools). And the rest are “themselves to blame" for what is happening to them - let them raise their level of culture.
    3. Captain45
      Captain45 23 January 2018 13: 02
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      So all the same, fear deep down in their hearts that they will receive change and they will have quick punishment ... that means you can somehow influence their internal aggression against society.

      As it was said in one movie about the revolution: “SORRY THEM, SOMETHING!”. In general, anyone can confirm that if a boor, a scoundrel was promptly hit in the face, then he behaves much more modestly. One French Minister of the Interior, on allegations of police brutally breaking up a youth rally, remarked (not exactly, but in memory): "Every young man under 18 must be beaten by the police at least once in order to know what the law is." Caught when I read about student unrest in France.
    4. perm23
      perm23 24 January 2018 06: 26
      +1
      You're right. nobody attacks the strong and strong, nobody attacks the police outfit. Because teenagers were given a lot of rights. but forgot about their responsibility. and they feel their impunity. What are they afraid of? that.
  3. Vard
    Vard 22 January 2018 07: 39
    13
    As always, they rushed together to fight the investigation ... And the reasons for this have not gone anywhere ... From experience ... five years of teaching ... one ... stupid person ... you can’t say otherwise ... completely blocks the training the process ... and it’s impossible even to drive it out of the class ... A good example of the USA ... there is a system for recycling such teenagers ...
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 10: 11
      +2
      yes, that’s how it is, often there is a black sheep, but they have no right to do anything with it. neither punish nor remove from the lesson is prohibited.
    2. vm-bt
      vm-bt 22 January 2018 22: 27
      +1
      there was created a system for recycling such adolescents ...
      Where do you buy grass, Vard? Picky.
    3. perm23
      perm23 24 January 2018 06: 28
      0
      Yes, it is impossible not to expel from the class. it is impossible to punish. You can’t shout, otherwise they’ll be filmed and the teacher is to blame. nothing is allowed to the teacher.
  4. Firework
    Firework 22 January 2018 07: 43
    +4
    our children are being set up against ourselves, notice Navalny brought children to the streets who do not have adult thinking
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Salute
      our children are being set up against ourselves, notice Navalny brought children to the streets who do not have adult thinking

      I’ll tell you more .. The bulk is a pawn .. It’s the State Department that is to blame for our troubles .. then he sets up children against us ..... Oh my God ... when will the trolls translate .. (((((
    2. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 25 January 2018 09: 45
      0
      So in life, not all adults have adult thinking
  5. zyzx
    zyzx 22 January 2018 08: 02
    +8
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    They intend to reintroduce security companies in schools.

    Sorry, but these problems will not be solved by security companies.
    1. gaura
      gaura 22 January 2018 09: 20
      +1
      They also want to offer schoolchildren's portfolios to be shuffled so that Molotov’s weapons and cocktails are not carried. Some bloggers are calling for a ban on the network resources with instructions for making this molotov. Insanity can only grow stronger, until we all are cleansed through a blood bath.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 22 January 2018 14: 53
        +1
        schoolchildren’s portfolios can be smashed only by officials under the protocol in accordance with the law, with good reason (orientation, suspicion of storage ...). The employees of the private security company, thank God, will not have such powers and will not, and police officers as well as doctors in schools will not be on duty.
  6. Loess
    Loess 22 January 2018 09: 12
    +2
    In my opinion, if you just don’t cover such events in the press and on the Internet (even what’s happening abroad), then schoolchildren simply don’t have enough imagination for that. And with such close attention of the media to such tragedies, this will lead to their repetition. And of course, the constant mitigation of punishments for youngsters also will not bring to good. The same district police officers practically no longer had any measures of influence on “difficult” teenagers.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 22 January 2018 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: Less
      In my opinion, if you just don’t cover such events in the press and on the Internet (even what’s happening abroad), then schoolchildren simply don’t have enough imagination for that.
      Hushing up a problem will definitely not solve it. Moreover, everyone now has the Internet. And that which will not be shown on TV will still be on the Internet.
      1. Loess
        Loess 22 January 2018 09: 50
        0
        It will not decide, of course, but will limit its distribution.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 07
          +2
          Quote: Less
          It will not decide, of course, but will limit its distribution.

          What event that spread caused these crimes ????????????
          Start with yourself .. stop using the Internet .. please ... not only children suffer from this stupidity .. but also pensioners (of whom there are many), but they are also like children.
          1. Loess
            Loess 22 January 2018 11: 12
            +1
            You did not try to comprehend the comment before resenting?
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 22 January 2018 13: 35
              +2
              Quote: Less
              You did not try to comprehend the comment before resenting?

              You about IT:
              In my opinion, if you just don’t cover such events in the press and on the Internet (even what’s happening abroad), then schoolchildren simply don’t have enough imagination for that.

              If a child of 5 years old told me this ... I would "comprehend" ... and from an adult I would hear this ... Offhand, when there was no TV, radio, newspapers and other things, there were no crimes ..? .In countries with underdeveloped media crime less? Do you think there are more crimes in Africa or Sweden ... it is clear that the level of media accessibility is different ... please answer !!!
              1. Loess
                Loess 22 January 2018 13: 49
                0
                The causes of the attack are now being investigated by investigators. According to one version, armed with an ax B. intended to take revenge on a teacher of Russian language and literature: she recently put him a deuce, ruining the final grades for a quarter, Baikal Daily reports.
                Another version is based on the fact that B. has long been preparing an attack, wanting to “become famous” and repeat the “exploits” of other schoolchildren.
                Do you think he wanted to become famous only among classmates? And where did he even get such thoughts? Could it be that he had seen enough of the massacres and shootings in schools? After all, it’s like “it’s impossible to be glorified by good deeds,” and here the knife / ax is in hand and on the trail. the whole country judges about you a day. I don’t remember something in the Union, where such things were not covered with such manic perseverance, such tragedies occurred, all the more than once.
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 22 January 2018 14: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Less
                  After all, it’s like “it’s impossible to be glorified by good deeds,” and here the knife / ax is in the hands and on the trail. the whole country judges about you a day. I don’t remember something in the Union, where such things were not covered with such manic perseverance, such tragedies occurred, all the more than once.

                  In the Soviet Union there was no banditry, prostitution and sex! Not that now ... Obama is to blame, definitely ... but yes, Chubais is still to blame !!!! Because of him, all this !!!
                  1. Loess
                    Loess 22 January 2018 14: 39
                    +3
                    That's for sure) The one who imprisons Chubais can safely run for president) No wonder Chubais is not on any sanctions list ...
  7. Alex66
    Alex66 22 January 2018 09: 19
    +8
    For thugs, it is necessary to revive hard labor, and for youth, goals in life are not simple but global, building a fair (as far as possible) society, the development of Siberia, the Arctic. the capitalists will not do this, not profitably, there are many costs, and returns in decades. Conclusion under capitalism, all these wild crimes for us will soon become familiar as in the United States.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 18
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      For thugs, it is necessary to revive hard labor, and for youth, goals in life are not simple but global, building a fair (as far as possible) society, the development of Siberia, the Arctic.

      I don’t agree .. I need to raise children in theological seminaries, not to develop the Arctic, but to read the word of God, on my knees .. and all day !!!! Only this way and no other !!!
  8. midshipman
    midshipman 22 January 2018 09: 20
    +5
    My grandson Lutfullin Ratmir Mansurovich (his second grandfather, People's Artist of the USSR) wrote a popular science book "When the calculator came to life." In it, he showed the history and harm of certain games for children. In "contact" under his last name this book is. Take a look. Harmful games have always existed, and at present murders and pogroms are advertised in networks. This should not be. I have the honor.
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 22 January 2018 09: 24
    +7
    The whole problem is that children who are sick on the head of children who interfere with normal behavior in learning normal children are no longer sent to special schools, where they have the right place ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 22 January 2018 12: 33
      +4
      Quote: Nemesis
      The whole problem is that sick on the head of children,disturbing their violent behavior learn normal children, stopped sending to special schools, where they have the place ...
      Why not immediately on the count? So that the rest of the children do not interfere?

      Remember yourself at school! Went along the wall and read Schopenhauer in the original?

      I had bad behaviors all the time, and I was almost an excellent pupil. My classmates in grade 9 hung a guy from our class by the legs on a window on the 3rd floor. Also, by the way, there were no scumbags, quite normal children - someone studied worse , someone is better, there were no stupid obviously. Parents who, by the way, were no less busy than the present were at work .....
      Our math teacher walked around the class with a 50 cm ruler and beat guys / girls hands / heads for cheating, it really hurt - but for the job. For the thirty years of graduation, it turned out that we remember some of the math.
      And now try to twist the ear of another child - you can be dragged through the courts ....
      1. BAI
        BAI 22 January 2018 17: 01
        +2
        .My classmates in the 9th grade hung by the legs out the window on the 3rd floor of a kid from our same class.

        Do you really think this is normal? Harmless childish prank?
      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 22 January 2018 17: 51
        +3
        And it’s possible to count so that all sorts of patients don’t throw themselves at normal people with knives ... In any case, these scumbags in this school with normal children do not belong ... Normal children do not hang others by their legs out the window from the 3rd floor ... The colony already misses such (normal) ones, because they endangered the life and health of another person and probably by force ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 January 2018 11: 57
          0
          at the next training camp, I need to tell classmates that they are sick on the head ...
          Especially comrade Colonel (who hung out), a mole, he should not occupy his position in Moscow in Moscow Region, he has been sick since childhood. The second - the one in the north somewhere commands something oil, say, you’re a sick brother .... And to the police major (who was hanged) that he was subjected to a threat to life and health and that they should be dragged through the courts.

          Their parents (who have full rights, not yet restricted by anyone !!) flogged both of them so that they did not go to school for two days, could not sit. Apparently it helped in life later ...

          Quote: BAI
          .My classmates in the 9th grade hung by the legs out the window on the 3rd floor of a kid from our same class.
          Do you really think this is normal? Harmless childish prank?
          - I do not think, I state a fact that at all times there were children who could do cruelty (see the movie "Scarecrow").
          It’s just now that it has reached a certain limit and burst
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 23 January 2018 15: 29
            +1
            And it didn’t occur to you that the problems that Russia is experiencing today come precisely from the fact that leadership positions in the Russian Federation are sometimes held by outright criminals and that they are singing (Murka) in the State Duma of the Russian Federation today too ?!
            1. your1970
              your1970 23 January 2018 18: 35
              0
              Quote: Nemesis
              leadership positions in the Russian Federation are sometimes held by outright criminals
              -All leading positions in October 1917 occupied real (convicted in accordance with the current criminal legislation) criminals: Lenin, Trotsky, Dzerzhinsky, Stalin, Rykov, Nogin ....
              Everyone had behind them a court and a term, and a sickly one ...
              With this, how? Or were those criminals right - and the current wrong? So, some of those - robbed the state no worse than the current (exs) !!!
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 24 January 2018 12: 09
                +1
                You do not confuse political with criminals. Hanging a person by the legs, from the window of the third floor, by force, is a criminal offense.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 25 January 2018 10: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  You do not confuse political with criminals
                  - in the Russian code there was no concept of “political” - that is why, legally, they were all criminals. Whatever anyone says ...

                  by the way ....
                  Robbing expeditions of government papers / mail carriages, while killing the guards is according to the laws of absolutely any state of the past, present and future - this is a CRIMINAL crime
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 25 January 2018 10: 22
                    0
                    They already wrote to you, and I’m not alone, that hanging a person by the legs from a window of 3 floors, by force, is not a joke or a prank, but a criminal offense and your acquaintances have a place in prison ...
          2. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 25 January 2018 10: 06
            0
            Now you can’t ruin your friends about strangers. Although I was flogged by a mother up to 14 years old for every 4-logically explaining: "you have all the conditions to study at 5. If you got 2 I would know that you are dumb and it’s useless to beat, but you got 4 and that means you don’t 5-10 minutes were enough to learn completely and this is laziness! And laziness is knocked out with a belt! " Explained intelligibly and clearly because no offense.
      3. perm23
        perm23 24 January 2018 06: 32
        +1
        Nowadays, we were afraid of the fire of our guard, the cloakroom attendant, Aunt Masha. Because our parents inspired respect for elders and teachers. And if I come home and complain to my mother. that the teacher yelled at me or struck with a ruler. then mom will add so that I don’t finish the teacher
  10. Albatroz
    Albatroz 22 January 2018 09: 28
    +2
    They will not find switchmen - they will appoint
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 10: 16
      +4
      They will not find switchmen - they will appoint

      I can even guess who it will be: deputy director for educational work, district police officer, inspector of PDN, possibly a class teacher, and even the one who was sitting at the entrance. I think these will be dismissed immediately, the director and employees of the departments will get off with a reprimand. The next qidul about reinforcement and prevention is to be lowered into schools and everything will be forgotten until the next case.
  11. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 10: 03
    +4
    And here there is a clue from the inspection authorities: school teachers did not keep up with the newsletter, did not monitor the mountain of pages on social networks, did not report to whom and where necessary. So - guilty! ..
    Here you need to inform readers that monitoring social networks today also rests on the shoulders of the teacher. Yes Yes. And this too.

    Departments and education committees are generally overgrown by the end; indeed, teachers require up to 5 reports every day, starting with a diary check report and ending with monitoring social networks. And all must be done by teachers and administration. Delirium is delusional, do they have their own families or something? As soon as the student went out of the school gates, dad and mom should be responsible for him and nothing else. And if the child got involved in something illegal, first of all responsibility on the parents. And then they found the extreme ones - school, how to pay so big, go to business, but please come back to answer. The authorities would have already decided whether to remove the cross, or put on shorts
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 22 January 2018 12: 11
      0
      indeed, up to 5 reports are required from teachers every day, starting with a report on checking diaries and ending with monitoring social networks.
      Do not let it down, no one demands anything from the teachers. In principle, not everywhere, but overwhelmingly, teachers give lessons in the morning, then in general is free. The teacher is engaged with the students according to the instructions, exactly as much as possible, taking into account the plan and load, his task is to transfer knowledge. Therefore, it is not clear what the teachers and school have to do with this tragedy.
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 12: 53
        +2
        Do not let it down, no one demands anything from the teachers.

        Yah? you can not tell me, my wife works at school and I know how things are there. According to the instructions, taking into account the plan, subject teachers are engaged, they really were taken away and free. But this does not apply in any way to the classrooms and the administration; once again I say several reports a day and for each occasion. And in any way their responsibility after school does not end. Here's an example for you: one kid wrote to the GDP website that in the evenings, youngsters send a very old down to the stall for beer. Tell someone in a pose put for it, or guess yourself? I’ll tell you, not the parents, not the one who turned and not even those who sent for beer. And they didn’t put it for beer, but for circulation, that it was allowed to appeal to busy people. So ask those who are in the subject before writing
      2. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 22 January 2018 13: 15
        +3
        The Commissioner for Children's Rights under the President, Anna Kuznetsova, the Ombudsman called for an increase in the educational role of the school and for the training of teachers who work with children. She also called for improved security measures in educational institutions.

        And here is the answer
        1. MoJloT
          MoJloT 22 January 2018 13: 39
          +2
          So ask those who are in the subject before writing

          Dear, I can write candidates on this topic. My advice to you, take a closer look at your wife, what reports she gives there every day and to whom! About beer in general tyranny and absurdity.
          But this does not apply to classroom teachers and administration.

          The activities of the class teachers are not regulated by anything, and why not to mold the administration here in general? The administrative employee does not contact the student.
          The Commissioner for Children's Rights under the President, Anna Kuznetsova, the Ombudsman called for an increase in the educational role of the school and for the training of teachers who work with children. She also called for improved security measures in educational institutions.

          Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights Anna Kuznetsova is probably not aware that schools have a license for educational activities. Correctional, educational, corrective activity without a license outside the law. The school is intended only for teaching, in its essence, in its structure. No one seriously, after 91 years, nor when did not put education in the school’s goals. No, there’s no idea what to educate, how to educate, how to do it ... If we give schools the opportunity to engage in education without clear explanations, we will get education as far as it is understood in every single place, for example, as in Ulan-Ude.
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 23 January 2018 10: 30
            0
            The activities of the class teachers are not regulated by anything, and why not to mold the administration here in general? The administrative employee does not contact the student.

            You probably write candidate's in the same way as Medinsky. What star did you fall from? how is the school administrative worker not in contact with students ??? You want to say that neither the director nor the head teachers see the students? But is it all that they also teach lessons? But without your advice, I’ll somehow manage, take a closer look at mine, otherwise something is a painful topic for you, if you are eager to give others advice.
            1. MoJloT
              MoJloT 13 August 2018 13: 51
              0
              I’ll get along without your advice, take a closer look at mine, otherwise something is a painful topic for you, if you are eager to give others advice.

              This is not a sore subject, it seems to have been jokingly unsuccessful, I apologize.
              You want to say that neither the director nor the head teachers see the students?
              They see, but they have a little more educational work than accountants, personnel officers, methodologists ...
        2. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 25 January 2018 10: 09
          0
          Introduce the position of "executor" in the staff list. The layout should include places for punishment cells and a recurrent!
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 25 January 2018 12: 42
            0
            Introduce the position of "executor" in the staff list.

            Reasonable infusion of the mind through the ass helped a lot laughing
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 23
    +4
    Our main "value" from which all these "values" is the current government. So we will keep such a "value"?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 22 January 2018 10: 35
      +3
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Our main "value" from which ...

      Son of a lawyer, tell me better how you diluted the oil with water wassat
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 38
        +4
        wink Golovan, I already answered you, read at least by syllables. You better tell me about the company that supposedly works. The son of a troll.
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  13. Altona
    Altona 22 January 2018 11: 45
    +3
    Quote: passing
    Change, in a democratic election does not suit many leaders, this is one way to change the snickering elite!

    -------------------------------
    They will not let you in the "democratic" elections to change the elite, do not even hope. Not for this, these choices were invented.
  14. MoJloT
    MoJloT 22 January 2018 11: 47
    +1
    “But people who are directly connected to the modern education system, in fact, understand what is at stake.” - No, we don’t understand !!!
    “The teaching staff is literally shackled in endless demands for the timely delivery of reports - literally for any reason (and if there is no reason, but there is a desire of the inspector, then without reason).”
    What kind of reporting? For what reason? What a teacher can constantly report to in general, he is not financially responsible, does not conduct financial activities ... Do you mean putting marks in a journal?
    Any inspection committee checks first what direction? - That's right, paperwork.
    How many I live, I have never heard that a district or city check comes out to see how Maria Ivanovna conducts geography, it’s money to count, or to control the educational process.
    “The fact that the teacher, moreover for his modest salary, has to devote much more time to paper than to students.”
    Trash, the teacher’s standard time is 36 hours a week, few people spend so much, on average 10-15 hours, the rest is the so-called “Methodical time”, otherwise it’s free. Secondly, the teacher devotes time to students exactly as much as he is allowed to, it is not the teachers who abolished the students' labor service and they did not abolish school organizations and they do not decide how much and to whom to devote time. Thirdly, the salary in accordance with the May decrees of the president can not be less than the average for the region. THOSE. not a modest salary, but an average.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 22 January 2018 12: 01
      0
      And the main thing is not clear where the school and teachers did not finalize specifically what the author generally wants from them.
    2. Volodin
      22 January 2018 16: 31
      +2
      Quote: MoJloT
      Trash, the time standard for a 36 teacher’s hours per week, few people lead as many, on average 10-15 hours, the rest is so-called “Methodical time”, otherwise it’s free.

      Ha. Three times. "10-15 hours, the rest is methodical time" ... Five more times "ha."

      Quote: MoJloT
      Secondly, the teacher spends time for students exactly as much as he is allowed.

      Well, in general, it is clear from your comment that you have never been a teacher and have been talking with representatives of teaching staff for a long time.

      Quote: MoJloT
      Thirdly, the salary in accordance with the May presidential decrees can not be less than the average for the region. THOSE. not a modest salary, but an average.
      It is better not to say anything here, I am afraid to break into obscenity. If you want to know how the May decrees are executed, take a walk through the articles on HE (and not only on HE). I can, by the way, acquaint with a teacher who, at 1,5, rates for s / n 15,4, thousand rubles, with an average for the region (according to Rosstat) in 34, etc.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 22 January 2018 17: 03
        +1
        Ha. Three times. "10-15 hours, the rest is methodical time" ... Five more times "ha."

        I don’t understand that it amuses you so much.
        Well, in general, it is clear from your comment that you have never been a teacher and have been talking with representatives of teaching staff for a long time.

        Well, maybe you're right, half an hour has already passed.
        By the way, I can introduce you to a teacher who, at 1,5 salary rates, 15,4 thousand rubles with an average for the region (according to Rosstat) of 34 tr

        Firstly, there are no rates, especially for teachers, they have a rating load in hours, you probably mean that this teacher has about 54 hours a week, that is, that he conducts 10,8 hours of lessons per day. How many shifts at school? Pupils go to night? Secondly, even if this is true (it seems more like nonsense), then this is a flaw in the regulatory bodies. And thirdly, do you want me to introduce you to a teacher who works 2 hours a week, but receives 65 thousand rubles in order to fulfill the May decrees of the president?
        1. Volodin
          22 January 2018 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: MoJloT
          Thirdly, I want to introduce you to a teacher who works 2 hours a week, and receives 65 thousand rubles in order to fulfill the May decrees of the president?

          I look forward to the phone number of this person - it is possible in a personal. Just fun to chat. 2 hours per week is 8 hours per month, respectively, no more than 90 hours per year. With these figures, even the pedagogical experience does not go. In general, I am waiting for your kindness in providing the opportunity to communicate. You can - e-mail
          1. MoJloT
            MoJloT 22 January 2018 17: 30
            +1

            The opportunity to talk, let's start by finding out where you are ...
            1. Volodin
              22 January 2018 17: 39
              +1
              Quote: MoJloT
              find out where you are ...

              In Russia, I am, where else.

              In general, if this teacher without a subject for 2 or 3 receives an 65 TR per hour per week. a month on the hands of preserving the teacher (if this is not the director, of course ...), then 99% of teachers already, I think, are interested, where is such a wonderful educational institution?))
              1. MoJloT
                MoJloT 22 January 2018 17: 42
                0
                Where else in Russia.)
                1. Volodin
                  22 January 2018 17: 49
                  +1
                  I understand you, you will not send mail. It is a pity ... Probably, you are too lazy to explain who this lucky man is with 2 hours per week, saving the training and 65 thousand per month)))
                  1. MoJloT
                    MoJloT 22 January 2018 18: 01
                    0
                    Why laziness, once again especially for you. There are May decrees of the president that need to be implemented - we are fulfilling, working efficiently and professionally! A teacher who leads 36 hours of lessons per week to this exception to the rule, if you want a lucky one). If you have a professional interest, or need a method. you say so, I’ll throw off your mail and phone, with interest we’ll grind everything.
                    1. Volodin
                      22 January 2018 18: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: MoJloT
                      you and say, I will throw off and mail

                      I kind of wrote about it above.

                      Quote: MoJloT
                      There are May presidential decrees that must be fulfilled - we carry out, we work with high quality and professionally!


                      I'm just glad if you have it all. Here are just the overwhelming majority of teachers in the country can only envy your data on labor and wages. As a fact: May decrees are not executed by all "responsible" leaders.
                      1. MoJloT
                        MoJloT 22 January 2018 18: 11
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                        You requested to violate the law on personal data. Not my contacts, but the contacts of the employee, do you feel the difference?
                        As a fact: May decrees are not executed by all responsible leaders

                        So this is a matter of competency, prof. suitability, working methods ... Where do the regulatory authorities look, the founder in the end where, why aren't the measures taken?
                      2. MoJloT
                        MoJloT 22 January 2018 18: 25
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                        most teachers in the country can only envy your data on labor and salaries

                        I will tell you more, not only teachers can envy, but also workers in other industries, to be honest even I envy them a little, I didn’t study for that) 56 days of vacation + sooooo worthy payments.
                2. Rey_ka
                  Rey_ka 25 January 2018 10: 15
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                  Do not shoot the office. Then I myself would not mind retraining!
  15. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 22 January 2018 13: 21
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    In this whole story, I think, there is one more aspect. It should be searched, and very thoughtfully, around teenage culprits. You need to look for relatives, "friends" and money. Look very carefully!
    There is a propaganda war. And up to this point, the objects in whose heads the hostilities of this war are unfolding have been quietly declaring a fierce press of one of the parties - but the Russians don’t rush into the schools and kill nobody there. And here we have ... That's it. This argument has outlived its own.
    People, do you really think that what happened is an accident? Or did purely objective reasons lead to this? So on time. So by the way for those who can’t find a reasonable answer that justifies the undoubted advantage of “hail on the hill”. No really?
  16. BAI
    BAI 22 January 2018 16: 55
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    Yes, not so long ago, a student came with a firearm to school and killed a teacher (it seems in Ivanteevka Mos.obl.). What has been done, what are the lessons learned? NOTHING! "A sick child, it is necessary to treat him, and not to punish, etc." The authorities did not understand anything. But the "children" quickly learned a lesson - while they are minors - they will not be anything that they did not. But they will talk about them, they will be shown on TV. One does not have to be a clairvoyant to anticipate a wild surge of unmotivated teenage brutality. To become famous all means are good. It is known from the time of Herostratus.
  17. Petr1968
    Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 02
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    Quote: kot28.ru
    These are lost people, so why bother them? Or wait until they start mass shootings?

    Admit it, have you ever driven a drunk? If so, I would just kill such people on the spot. A shot in the back of the head ... or wait until he knocks my children off? Have you ever given a bribe to traffic cops or to anyone? Because of these, the country is mired in corruption .. to hell with both hands chopped off !!!! Speak everything correctly .. And about the children ... From the 4th grade of all the two-way students of the three-year-olds - to hard labor. Nothing of the road will come out of them .. By the way .. and IQ test ... that’s settled Siberia and Kolyma .. I agree, run for president !!!!!
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 24 January 2018 14: 46
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      Neither drunk behind the wheel, nor bribes to gayts! hi
      Why? Well, I don’t have a car, that's why! laughing
      And for the President, my person is too modest, although, my mother said, study, but it's too late wink
  18. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 24 January 2018 16: 39
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    THE HISTORY TEAM IS HOW THESE FUCKING REPORTS AND DOCUMENTS REACHED ... THERE IS NO TIME FOR A LIVING CASE
  19. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum 25 January 2018 15: 24
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    Quote: Bulrumeb
    The Commissioner for Children's Rights under the President, Anna Kuznetsova, the Ombudsman called for an increase in the educational role of the school and for the training of teachers who work with children. She also called for improved security measures in educational institutions.

    If this ..., Kuznetsova, had been cut or her children, she would have started talking differently ...
    In which schools does the “our” imperious pseudo-elite contain its offspring?