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When the "thunderstorm of tanks" "Octopus-SDM-1" will appear in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?

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Information Agency Interfax citing sources, writes that the Sprut-SDM-1 self-propelled anti-tank gun will be released to state tests in the 1 quarter of the 2018 of the year.


At the same time, it was announced that state tests of the latest anti-tank weapons will be completed in the first quarter of next year. It was then, as predicted, "Sprut-SDM-1" and will be put into service the Armed Forces.

When the "thunderstorm of tanks" "Octopus-SDM-1" will appear in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation?


Initially, the tasks of the developers of the new self-propelled gun included the improvement of combat performance, which would be achieved using new sighting devices, as well as fire control tools.

From its predecessor - the Sprut-SD armored vehicles, the SDM-1 version is also distinguished by the new undercarriage. It actually has the same “architecture” as the BMD-4M, with some minor additions. The Sprut-SDM-1 has 7 road wheels with an individual torsion bar suspension and a hydraulic shock absorber system on two sides. The Sprut-SDM-1 suspension parameters are adjustable, allowing you to change the clearance. The undercarriage is also represented by stern drive wheels for lanterning, front guides with a tension mechanism and several supporting rollers of small diameter. These rollers are designed to hold the upper branch of the track in the proper position.

Interfax reports that during state trials, the latest Russian self-propelled gun will, among other things, be dropped from the Il-76 military transport aviation.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 20 January 2018 12: 07
    +3
    Lengthened geemku! There are a lot of advantages, but the main thing is that the mass of the car does not grow much! And then there will be problems with the reset - you have to throw it without ammunition, or partially refueled!
    1. Monos
      Monos 20 January 2018 12: 20
      +3
      I do not quite understand why change the clearance. The only thing that comes to mind is lowering the center of mass. But why this is necessary is not clear.
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 20 January 2018 12: 37
        +7
        Quote: Monos
        I do not quite understand why change the clearance. The only thing that comes to mind is lowering the center of mass. But why this is necessary is not clear.

        And I don’t understand why such a machine is needed. Personally, I would not want to be in it in battle. In modern conditions, any large-scale landing operations are doomed to failure, unless of course they are carried out against the Papuans. In the infantry there is support for tanks and infantry fighting vehicles so why have snot chewed with this Octopus for more than a year? Don’t understand the money spent on this roofing tank that you could spend on more necessary things, for example: bring to mind Kurganets, Boomerang, etc.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 20 January 2018 13: 02
          +4
          Quote: Pirogov
          In modern conditions, any large-scale landing operations are doomed to failure, unless of course they are carried out against the Papuans.

          In addition to the Papuans, there are also barmalei. Do you think they will die out?
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 20 January 2018 14: 34
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            In addition to the Papuans, there are also barmalei. Do you think they will die out?

            So what specifically for the barmaley, this masterpiece was created? You just look at when this coffin was created and how much time this mediocre car is brought to mind and spend money and most importantly, determine the tasks that can be accomplished by this (Tank) ........... !!!! ???? ??
        2. ARES623
          ARES623 20 January 2018 14: 19
          10
          Quote: Pirogov
          In the infantry there is support for tanks and infantry fighting vehicles so why have snot chewed with this Octopus for more than a year?

          Somehow you are very arrogant about the creative work of those who really work with their own hands and brain! Have something to offer? Amaze the public ....
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 20 January 2018 14: 29
            +5
            Quote: ARES623
            Somehow you are very arrogant about the creative work of those who really work with their own hands and brain! Have something to offer? Amaze the public ...

            Where did you see arrogance? And I can offer in my commentary, which you apparently did not carefully read and said that the money spent on Octopus, in my opinion, was better invested in Kurganets and Boomerang. 21 century in the yard, imagine and it’s time to think about safety and better survival, and not to rivet obviously Coffins.
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 20 January 2018 14: 54
              10
              Quote: Pirogov
              Where did you see arrogance?

              The phrase "chewing snot" always in Russian denoted a neglect of other people's difficulties. At the same time, we are discussing the work of the KB OPK, one of advanced in this industry state. I think that disagreement can be expressed politely. And if you can convincingly prove the need to change financial logistics, then you need to write in a completely different direction. At a minimum, organize a petition so that those who are required to manage this very logistics will hear you. Is not it so? Your view of the "coffins" personally does not seem to me so obvious. In any case, one could try to somehow argue it .... "21 century in the yard"? And how is it different from the 20th? A lot of the stupidity that it was possible to endure without public viewing by electronic-digital means? What are we proud of?
            2. Svarog51
              Svarog51 21 January 2018 00: 52
              +1
              Remember the PT-76. They were written off, something was sold, something was smelted. And where is the replacement? Octopus swim and can go to the Marine Corps units. In Vietnam, the PT-76 has proven itself. The Israelis used them to cross the Suez and capture the bridgehead. Octopus is a descendant of the PT-76 at a new level. Remember the exercises crossing the Gulf of Riga in 1957 - they showed that the English Channel was not an obstacle to our tanks. So, if you don’t see where and how to use SPRUT, it doesn’t mean at all that others will not find it.
              good
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 21 January 2018 06: 45
                +1
                I support. I’ve been "alarmed" for a long time that in our army there is still a "rapier" belay , because a very small caliber, in the frontal (and at small angles to the frontal) against the tank he has no chance, only "heroic death." But the octopus, even in the absence of booking (the rapier has the same effect as booking), has significant advantages: firing on the move, high rate of fire, high mobility, security about a high explosive (nearby explosion) impact on the crew good , the SLA system is also much better, and even more so the possibility of integration into a "centric warfare network."
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 21 January 2018 08: 17
                  0
                  Michael, welcome hi
                  Support.
                  Thank you good
                  To "paint a picture of oil" I recall the feature film "Attack", where the young lieutenant tanker takes command of the company during the exercises, brilliantly holds the oncoming tank battle with his superior enemy, and simultaneously "lands" the commander of the "enemy" troops. It breaks into the rear to the enemy and "destroys" its main percussion instrument - the operational-tactical missile system, which got stuck at the crossing. Even if at the cost of the "death" of the company - it brings victory to its troops. Though artistic fiction, there is a rational grain in the film. Under such raids and created SPRUT.
        3. seti
          seti 20 January 2018 14: 24
          17
          And how to fight in the rear of the enemy in a combat situation? Mat? Kalash, Kord and other light weapons are good .. A light tank with an 125 mm gun is even better. And such as Octopus. Fast, maneuverable and able to overcome water obstacles. Imagine its effect on swampy or very rough ground where all the armored vehicles get stuck in the enemy ..? That and that.
          1. Korax71
            Korax71 20 January 2018 16: 00
            +1
            Bmd in the Chechen mud stuck only on the road. And the effectiveness of their reservation can not even be discussed. What will the enemy do in the marshland ???? I’m embarrassed to ask. What did they suddenly forget?
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 21 January 2018 01: 03
              +2
              Operation Bagration began with the German defenses breaking through the Pinsk marshes, where the Germans did not expect a strike. Not everything is so simple.
          2. race
            race 20 January 2018 23: 04
            +2
            "Nona" with a 120-mm gun, in your opinion does not count? Moreover, the opportunities for fire support, she will have more than the "Octopus".
      2. askort154
        askort154 20 January 2018 12: 38
        +1
        Monos .....I do not quite understand why change the clearance. The only thing that comes to mind is lowering the center of mass. But why this is necessary is not clear.
        Not special in this, but logically: they are not planning to land in our Russian snowy-swamp-impassable terrain, but in regions with hard or sandy soil. yes
        1. Speedy
          Speedy 20 January 2018 13: 17
          +5
          This is why not to land in our snowy-swamp-impassable terrain? The Airborne Forces has one of the functions - a fire brigade, for the quick transfer of troops by air to any point, including on our territory.
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 20 January 2018 13: 07
        +3
        Quote: Monos
        I do not quite understand why change the clearance. The only thing that comes to mind is lowering the center of mass. But why this is necessary is not clear.

        Most likely, to change the height of the car, and therefore visibility. And to reduce the overturning moment when shooting at an angle to the longitudinal axis.
        1. Monos
          Monos 20 January 2018 13: 44
          +4
          Quote: Piramidon
          Most likely, to change the height of the car, and therefore visibility. And to reduce the overturning moment when shooting at an angle to the longitudinal axis.

          I’m not sure that reducing the height by 40cm will greatly affect the visibility. And at the expense of the overturning moment ... BMD-2 with a gun 30mm also with a variable clearance.
      4. ARES623
        ARES623 20 January 2018 14: 15
        +2
        Quote: Monos
        I do not really understand why change the clearance.

        In a combat situation, most likely, the main way of machine survival and calculation will be the ability to use the protective properties of the terrain, engineering structures or their debris. Because the existing armor of the machine is not able to protect the enemy from BMP (BTR) fire, which is mostly layered. Thus, an embankment, parapet, some kind of terrain or concrete beam can serve as a good cover for this product.
        1. Comrade Kim
          Comrade Kim 20 January 2018 14: 27
          0
          It would be nice to add active protection to all these terrain folds, beams and bushes.
          Expensive, but crew life is more expensive!
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 January 2018 21: 04
            +1
            Quote: Comrade Kim
            It would be nice to add active protection to all these terrain folds, beams and bushes.
            Expensive, but crew life is more expensive!

            Hang active protection, increase the thickness of the armor ... It will weigh so much that parachute landing will become problematic.
      5. Lexus
        Lexus 20 January 2018 14: 24
        11
        I do not really understand why change the clearance.

        hi All cars, starting with BMD-1, can change the clearance. And they are parachuted in a parachute way always with a minimum. This is done in order not to ruin this very suspension when landing. Inertia and impact force at this moment are quite high. In fact, the "box" "on the belly" sits down. On wheeled vehicles, this is not, therefore, in Soviet times, the GAZ-66 was decommissioned after 2 landing.
        Well, the compactness of placement in a carrier aircraft, of course. soldier
        1. Monos
          Monos 20 January 2018 15: 13
          +3
          Quote: lexus
          This is done so that when landing //

          Yes, this seems like the true meaning of such a complicated suspension. I thought that this was due to the landing.
      6. Per se.
        Per se. 20 January 2018 20: 01
        +4
        Quote: Monos
        I do not really understand why change the clearance.
        According to the photo, you can guess what you need to change the clearance, but, in addition to transportation and direct landing, the variable clearance is a very useful thing in battle, for example, when you can get up, go down while in the shelter.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 20 January 2018 12: 24
      +2
      The most important thing on it is a new sighting system, both with the commander and the gunner, Both with a thermal imaging channel. A new ballistic computer is also installed. This is the main plus, because for such a poorly protected machine, the issue of timely detection of the enemy and his defeat from the greatest possible distance is extremely important. In my opinion, everything else is less important.
      But I would of course also hang a cumulative defense on the car, otherwise any grenade launcher will strike, this is still not an artillery mount, but a battlefield machine.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 January 2018 12: 43
      +5
      Video three years ago, but still interesting to watch
    4. Lexus
      Lexus 20 January 2018 14: 15
      +4
      I saw the machine "alive." And he talked with specialists. Everything is there. bully soldier
  2. san4es
    san4es 20 January 2018 12: 07
    +7

    "Sprut-SDM1" has a modern fire control system, approximately the same as that used on the T-90M (T-90SM) tank and including the commander’s falconry’s panoramic round-the-clock sight and a new gunner’s sight with a thermal imaging channel. Sights are equipped with an automatic target tracking. It is also reported that "the machine is equipped with a software and hardware complex that allows you to integrate the machine into a single system with tactical link management."
    In addition, the Sprut-SDM1 is equipped with a remote-controlled combat module similar to that used on the T-90M (T-90SM) tank with a 7,62-mm machine gun with 1000 rounds of ammunition.

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1348389.html
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 20 January 2018 12: 21
      +3
      This is really a light tank! Then you need to create an "infantry version" with stronger protection! Strengthen the reservation and put KAZ!
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 20 January 2018 12: 39
        +7
        And will it be better than Almaty? laughing
        Nothing more to do with him. In addition to establishing serial production. This is a landing weapon. With appropriate weight restrictions. hi
        1. Genry
          Genry 20 January 2018 13: 59
          +1
          Quote: Alex777
          This is a landing weapon. With appropriate weight restrictions.

          Not only functions here landing but also units quick response, for reservation from possible adverse situations.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 January 2018 19: 31
            +1
            They are being transferred to wheels. For quick response.
            1. Genry
              Genry 20 January 2018 20: 36
              +1
              Wheels for the dry zone are also good in settlements with roads. But where you need through rivers and swamps - only a caterpillar platform.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. 20 January 2018 20: 13
        +1
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Then you need to create an "infantry version" with a stronger defense! Strengthen the booking and put KAZ!
        Vitalevich, and why, it is then easier to use T-90. Each vehicle is created for its own tasks, if confused or nonsense to manifest, any armored car will become a “coffin”. In addition, those who believe that under the armor will get something like a bomb shelter, just as badly mistaken, will still have to get out. And, not sure about the "happiness" of those who would be sent next to the tanks in some mastodon, a la "Maus", T-15, but with KAZ, would not burn inside, so would increase if active protection was triggered hurrying
  3. Zomanus
    Zomanus 20 January 2018 12: 20
    +1
    As far as I understand, this is an amphibious assault.
    But he, frankly, is not in a hurry now.
    Yes, a good car, efficient and more.
    But funds are now needed for something else.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 20 January 2018 12: 43
      +3
      Back in 2008, a tank column was walking past the paratroopers in an ambush. And she could be shot. But in all the exercises, the ATGM that stood on the BMD did not fly more than 100 m and fell. And the paratroopers missed the convoy to the infantry. So your reasoning is nothing. hi
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 20 January 2018 14: 30
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      But funds are now needed for something else.

      Could you elaborate. On what is most important in the first place. And, if possible, then the order of development in the troops ... If not difficult. hi
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 20 January 2018 14: 40
        +1
        Not a post issue. You and him to the Commander-in-Chief, let's ... bully
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 20 January 2018 19: 29
          +1
          hi Sorry, I got to whom the question is.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 21 January 2018 14: 57
            +2
            Sorry, I got to whom the question is.

            Alexander, hi These are trifles, the main thing is that they gave the correct example. good
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 21 January 2018 19: 43
              +1
              Namesake, hello hi How were the holidays ?drinks Dive into the hole?
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 21 January 2018 19: 53
                +1
                Hi Seryoga. hi Yes, my heart will stop if I dive. I do not want to burden my colleagues with my corpse. I'd rather dive into another "hole", under the name of two animals - brandy, called. How is it? Dived?
                1. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 21 January 2018 20: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  How is it? Dived?

                  I’ve fallen into ice water a dozen times in my life ... in short, I don’t like ice water.
                  I’m on vacation. I sit in the evenings on a little guard on a guard with varying success ... The second day the snow falls on the wall. I wait for the full moon to help the optics ...
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 21 January 2018 20: 29
                    0
                    Here you are lucky, namesake, at least you can blame winter fishing. Until the mushroom season, I have to endure female insinuations. Do not think that I'm complaining, I'm used to it, I was born in Ivanovo. We have all the brides - foreign cars. My from Yaroslavl, and friends have the same thing. And also, according to the horoscope, I am a serpent, wife and daughter too. I’m not poisonous, but I protect the world from them, I accept their idiocy. lol
                    1. BARKHAN
                      BARKHAN 21 January 2018 21: 47
                      +1
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      but from them I protect the world, I accept their idiocy upon myself.

                      good laughing
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      You’re lucky, namesake, at least you can get the winter fishing

                      I’m not a fisherman. I’m a hunter. A little fox on a bait is a fox on a bait at night ... I’m single.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 22 January 2018 04: 55
                        +1
                        Well, I was also a hunter to some extent. True, the game was shooting well, very small - sparrows, tits, wagtails. The largest one is a crow, I spent two clips on it. My Makar was pneumatic, and I need game to feed my domestic predator. I have a Russian eared owl. Yesterday I didn’t feed her, so she rode on me all night until she woke me up. Now I’ve eaten and settled down on my branch.
          2. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 21 January 2018 19: 44
            +1
            Quote: Alex777
            Sorry, I got to whom the question is.

            Quote the question you answer ... hi
  4. Anyone
    Anyone 20 January 2018 12: 23
    0
    Who knows how many shots are contained in the ammunition?
  5. demiurg
    demiurg 20 January 2018 12: 25
    +5
    But what army, is this car vital?
    That is, it is not necessary to modernize / replace the BMP / BTR fleet, do we all have tanks only from the factory with the latest SLAs, are the communications and troop control systems updated everywhere?
    Why the hell is it needed if the battalions don't have cars like Khosta, the Coalition in regiments and brigades?
    1. bk316
      bk316 20 January 2018 12: 33
      +2
      Why the hell is she needed

      The car is certainly good and we are trying to arm the paratroopers to the fullest.
      But I think it will be as always lately - there will not be a large series.

      And so forced to agree, WHERE is the COALITION in the brigades? If we talk about land, then this is necessary first of all, well, the modernization of tanks.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 20 January 2018 12: 48
        +5
        First, in what other regiments and brigades should the Coalition be?
        Secondly, the adoption of such innovative weapons as the Coalition requires a host of organizational measures. There are even no capsules for shells. hi
        1. demiurg
          demiurg 20 January 2018 13: 28
          0
          She thought instead of acacia would be.
          Okay, where is Msta S in the regiments and brigades? hi
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 January 2018 14: 37
            +3
            There will be no substitute. Will be in separate brigades reserve High Command. There is such a technique that conscripts will not be allowed to shoot at it. hi
        2. Genry
          Genry 20 January 2018 14: 04
          +3
          Quote: Alex777
          There are even no capsules for shells.

          For those who do not understand, I’ll clarify: there are no capsules in the shot kit. Microwave ignition propellant charge.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 20 January 2018 14: 38
            +3
            Exactly! And the propellant charge is not gunpowder. hi
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 January 2018 12: 41
    +3
    will be released for state testing in the 1st quarter of 2018.

    I think they will test in the Donbass ..! Especially after the adoption of the law, the caches are welcome in Kiev ..
  7. Maz
    Maz 20 January 2018 12: 45
    +1
    Nedotank, nedosau, do we really need it?
    1. Genry
      Genry 20 January 2018 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: Maz
      Nedotank, nedosau, do we really need it?

      This is a light, all-terrain, floating and "flying" weapon against tanks and firing points.
  8. vandarus
    vandarus 20 January 2018 12: 52
    +1
    Why is he in the Airborne Forces? Anti-tank agent? Fully effective anti-tank systems, more meeting the requirements of the Airborne. There is nothing to discuss the drug delivery system. Landing one cannon on the tracks instead of a company in full gear is nonsense. The manufacturer is trying to suck in an army unnecessary weapons.
    1. Genry
      Genry 20 January 2018 14: 18
      +1
      Quote: vandarus
      Fully effective anti-tank systems, more meeting the requirements of the Airborne. There is nothing to discuss the drug delivery system. Landing one cannon on the tracks instead of a company in full gear is nonsense.

      ATGM for infantry - a good thing (for ambushes and defensive), but with poor survivability (easily covered from the ACS) and very poor mobility. When placed on a wheeled vehicle, there may be problems with patency and overcoming water barriers, and on the tracks it will already be more profitable to "Octopus".
      1. vandarus
        vandarus 21 January 2018 21: 51
        0
        Without taking into account the problem, detect the launcher ..... Launch range of ATGM Cornet and AGS firing range? . In your company, apart from the RPG in the state, another 9 bmd in bk ptrk. Why drag a cannon on tracks or on wheels?
        1. Genry
          Genry 22 January 2018 15: 53
          0
          Quote: vandarus
          Without taking into account the problem, detect the launcher .....

          In the smoky trail
          Quote: vandarus
          Launch range of ATGM Cornet and AGS firing range?

          In real conditions (the curvature of the planet + humps and lowlands), Cornet’s maximum range does not play a role, because it is limited by line of sight. But the AGS "curvature of the planet" does not suffer and can beat because of any vertex, covertly and at its full maximum range. Well, if you don’t get it, then you can pick up something from the means of defense (after all, the airborne forces should attack).
  9. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 20 January 2018 14: 03
    +2
    And where is the protection again, no again, the BMD4m was shown with enhanced protection and in the end there is nothing again, they will pierce us with 30mm autocannons from damned bradley and the like.
  10. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 20 January 2018 14: 59
    +2
    maybe I’m stupid right now, but even 30 years ago we couldn’t even imagine a FLOATING car with a cannon from MBT!
    1. vandarus
      vandarus 21 January 2018 21: 54
      0
      And the floating conveyor onto which the usual field gun was rolled up where has disappeared from history?
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 25 January 2018 06: 28
        0
        on the BTR-50 were ZiS-2, ZiS-3, D-44 and 48, but the GN angle is not the same as on the Octopus, and the armor is not circular, although, in my opinion, it’s quite normal (I’m sofa and I can sometimes allow to flog nonsense)
  11. chenia
    chenia 20 January 2018 15: 46
    +2
    The concept of the use of airborne forces involves the occupation of areas, bridgeheads in the operational (even strategic up to 500 km) zone of the enemy, where there are no fortified areas, no layered defense, but only a simple guarding guard. Therefore, surprise, arrogance and onslaught and success are guaranteed.
    And then, to keep up to the approach of the main forces you will have to sweat (bury your ears) and wash your face with blood (hold the defense). So, in conditions of shortage of artillery SPRUT, and the BAHCHA module is appropriate.

    The use of airborne forces (with an equal enemy) can be either before the start of the database (when they still do not shoot, but scare each other), or at the end (victorious when the enemy’s air defense is completely suppressed). But with such an enemy, the war can go on another scenario using other means.

    But for third countries (in local conflicts such as Kosovo), who first occupied the clearing, that and a picnic. Here the Airborne Forces is extremely necessary. Well, and accordingly armed - provocations can be.

    1. Korax71
      Korax71 20 January 2018 16: 10
      +2
      In such a conflict, it’s easier to capture the enemy’s airfield to deliver equipment by air.
      1. SOF
        SOF 20 January 2018 22: 32
        +2
        Quote: Korax71
        In such a conflict, it’s easier to capture the enemy’s airfield to deliver equipment by air.

        ... and the enemy, while transport vehicles with equipment are flying to a busy airfield, should, in your opinion, sit exactly on the fifth point and wait for the Russians to finally deliver the equipment lol Funny.
        And if the enemy still has air defense and air force, then ???
        And if the enemy on the other side of the sea-hawk lives? How many transporters do you need to transfer at least a battalion of tanks? And how many fighters do you need to cover all this wealth? Will there be enough fuel for fighters on this trip?
        And all this time, the landing will be from the ATGM, AK, RPG and PC waves to break the attacking bridgehead ...... Curtain.
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 21 January 2018 02: 17
          +1
          At this time, the landing will be covered by artillery and aviation fire, and then everything else will be collected in a bag. How are you going to land in conditions not crushed by air? There has not been a single successful landing operation in history. And if the enemy is overseas, then long live the marines .with the support of the fleet and aviation, the bridgehead is seized, expanded, and then the queen of the fields, which can also be delivered to the bridgehead by landing ships. How many personnel and equipment can be accommodated on the BDK? The same rhinoceros holds 20 battle tanks or 45 armored personnel carriers and 300 -400 people Desanta.a all requests that we act in the depths of the enemy’s defense for 500 versts are from the field of fairy tales. Full-time reconnaissance units or subunits can just as well operate in the rear just because the landings have always had excellent commanders, holy believing about from heaven in battle. because of the very expensive buns for them and the changes in the form of bmd at the price of a tank that lasts 2 minutes, if it still lands.
  12. alavrin
    alavrin 20 January 2018 16: 01
    +1
    The main thing is not to fall apart during the return), and I would like to know more about the LMS.
  13. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 20 January 2018 16: 33
    0
    Thunderstorm tanks? Nowhere and never have I seen a clear answer like God's day, but why is it needed?
  14. lance
    lance 20 January 2018 20: 07
    +2
    good reasoning, that is, if the landing collided with two abrams, merkav or leopards draw in the stall? what nonsense? it is the landing party that should have such a powerful, fast and sufficiently protected weapon from bullets or "rapier" to carry around with you?
  15. Radikal
    Radikal 20 January 2018 20: 53
    +1
    Quote: Pirogov
    Quote: ARES623
    Somehow you are very arrogant about the creative work of those who really work with their own hands and brain! Have something to offer? Amaze the public ...

    Where did you see arrogance? And I can offer in my commentary, which you apparently did not carefully read and said that the money spent on Octopus, in my opinion, was better invested in Kurganets and Boomerang. 21 century in the yard, imagine and it’s time to think about safety and better survival, and not to rivet obviously Coffins.

    Well, if you call something a coffin, it’s just “Boomerang”. With its height and dimensions - it can be seen with a simple eye for a dozen miles, and from an RPG the first-year soldier will not miss! sad
  16. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 21 January 2018 03: 48
    0
    Normal. Faster to the troops.
  17. gukoyan
    gukoyan 22 January 2018 11: 24
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    Yeah, great news!
    Terrible car, would be faster)
  18. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 22 January 2018 11: 41
    +1
    Svarog51,
    I never even heard that they can be kept at home. Original. She is not aggressive, property
    does not spoil, how can I drag a watchdog?