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Admiral Valuev spoke about the relevance of small and ultra-small submarines for the Russian Navy

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Ex-commander of the Baltic fleet Vladimir Valuev spoke about the need to resume the construction of small and ultra-small submarines for the Russian Navy. Admiral Valuev made such a statement after Rosoboronexport announced that the states of Latin America, Southeast Asia, Africa and the Middle East were showing submarines with a displacement of 130 to 1000 tons.


RIA News cites the statement of the ex-commander (2001-2006) by the Baltic Fleet:
These submarines are not designed for large autonomous passages, but for conducting reconnaissance, penetration to objects of interest, in naval bases and ports. I believe that if there is demand on the international market for them, then it is necessary to build and sell. This is beneficial for Russia. The technology of construction of small and ultra-small submarines in the Russian Federation has been mastered, and it is relatively simple.


Admiral Valuev spoke about the relevance of small and ultra-small submarines for the Russian Navy


At the same time, the admiral added that it would be more expedient to sell such submarines to friendly states and not to forget about the needs of their own fleet. Also, Vladimir Valuev recall that in the composition of the USSR Navy were such submarines, but in the 90-x they were disposed of "cutting into needles."

Admiral Valuev:
The tactical and technical characteristics of export products should still be lower than those of samples that are made for the Armed Forces of Russia. We have always done so to have an advantage.


According to Vladimir Valuev, it is enough to build five units of such submarines for each of the Russian fleets 4-s for use, for example, as underwater observation facilities near their own naval bases.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 20 January 2018 06: 07 New
    11
    But in one thing, he is right that such boats must first be built first!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 20 January 2018 06: 12 New
      0
      What can we talk about if our generals are more worried about the sale of our weapons?
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 20 January 2018 08: 31 New
        0
        It turns out Admiral Valuev exception?
        Kamrad Sibirlat, and let us begin to export generals and managers, and we will include you in the expert team? Joke
        But seriously, we divorced these managers to the shit and still let out. In our corner of the office we attached an ad: "accelerated training and retraining of managers" (naturally paid)
        1. Berkut154
          Berkut154 20 January 2018 10: 29 New
          +2
          With him, by the way, they were cut ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 20 January 2018 12: 22 New
            +4
            Quote: Berkut154
            With him, by the way, they were cut ...
            Well, why should everyone smear d ... m !? In any case, the decision to dispose of was made before the military unit Valuev became Kom BF (April 2001). In March 1999, both MSs were towed from Liepaja to Kronstadt for disposal. And what does Vladimir Prokopych have to do with it? request
    2. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 20 January 2018 07: 59 New
      +3
      First of all, for the Baltic Fleet and Pacific Fleet. The problem with the first Piranha was that they were built from titanium alloys. It turned to someone a greedy and crazy head.
      1. Cat Marquis
        Cat Marquis 20 January 2018 09: 02 New
        +2
        A “small” boat is good, but its capabilities are also “small”. Something in the Navy began the same fuss as in the 30s of the 20th century - to build a large "mosquito" fleet of the type - "cheap and cheerful", only then, during the Second World War it turned out that this fleet and tasks it cannot fulfill sea open spaces and cannot protect itself either .... As if now it wouldn’t work out.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 20 January 2018 09: 22 New
          +2
          They are not going to build any fleet, and it will obviously not be superfluous and superfluous to have 5 pieces in each fleet ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 20 January 2018 12: 36 New
            +2
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            and having 5 pieces in each fleet will obviously be both unprofitable and not superfluous ...
            Such ships are built for specific tasks. And basically they are associated with the actions of the MTR. Suitable for closed MTVD (Caspian, Baltic, possibly Black Sea Fleet). But to protect the naval base and submarine base areas, RBD rpkSN, etc. mastered 677 project. If issues with VNEU were resolved in a timely manner, then there would be no questions what to sell abroad. And since now no one needs DPS, but NAPL is needed, then you have to advertise variations on the 636.3-6 theme ... Poor countries in South-East Asia will certainly lead to this, but this is the last call: then without NPL with VNEU on the market naval weapons will have nothing to do. And its capacity is determined from 200 to 400 units.
            So, VNEU - to the studio !!! Then it will be possible to count the profits of Rosoboronexport.
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 20 January 2018 09: 41 New
          +2
          A small "boat is good, but its capabilities are also" small ".

          Yes, it’s probably better to develop unmanned variants than to be distracted by “mosquito” samples of the last century.
      2. rumatam
        rumatam 20 January 2018 15: 51 New
        0
        Pasha Merce and his clique.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 20 January 2018 22: 42 New
      0
      But in one thing, he is right that such boats must first be built first!

      Tea, useful in the Baltic, Black Sea and Tartus hi
      And from Chukotka you can go to Alaska "on a visit".
  2. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 20 January 2018 06: 08 New
    13
    Just for our fleet, so that the Swedes can get on their nerves;
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 20 January 2018 06: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      to sweat the nerves

      Well so. All of Feng Shui. A Swede should drink vodka aki Finn, A Finn tokmo ryumashechku, but with a slide. Pour and Conquer bully
  3. Simon
    Simon 20 January 2018 08: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: siberalt
    What can we talk about if our generals are more worried about the sale of our weapons?

    I wonder which of our generals? My friend, do not forget that it’s not the early 90s, when everything was sold! stop
  4. bald
    bald 20 January 2018 08: 44 New
    0
    First of all, the difference with the export option is the depth of immersion (most important). The main function is to undermine enemy ships, mining, etc., rather than observing near their own naval bases. (not a good example)
    1. Maz
      Maz 20 January 2018 09: 44 New
      +2
      Successful, just a colleague forgot about the training of the PPDSS WATER DEFENSE AREA baselaughing
      1. bald
        bald 20 January 2018 10: 12 New
        +1
        He talks about guarding his ports with small boats. And for this, you said it right, and there is a PDSS in our ports, they do not need to leave the submarine in their port, there are other ways. But in a neutral and alien water area, yes there, these boats are needed.
        1. Genry
          Genry 20 January 2018 12: 33 New
          +1
          Small submarines are just good for guarding ports from a direct attack, to deter enemy intentions to attack. They do not need a particularly large radius of action, but increased stealth (size) and maneuverability are important. If the enemy is suitable, with landing ships, for over-the-horizon landing, it is the “little ones” who will be able to strike at the most painful place.
          1. bald
            bald 20 January 2018 14: 42 New
            +1
            We are talking about different things. I meant an attack or sabotage on our port from the underwater trays of the enemy and from it specialists - saboteurs. As you are from a baby, you will find someone else's boat in the harbor of the port or the same saboteur - these boats serve for other purposes. And from the attack there are "Bastions, Ball" and similar complexes. But another's submarine is not spotted by babies - there are many other ways.
            1. Genry
              Genry 20 January 2018 21: 06 New
              0
              Quote: bald
              I meant an attack or sabotage on our port from the underwater trays of the enemy and from it specialists - saboteurs.

              I understand that against saboteurs, a baby can only come in handy by chance. And port infrastructure assumes its protection from saboteurs. But here discuss small submarines.
              Quote: bald
              And from the attack there are "Bastions, Ball" and similar complexes.

              The ball (and others) does not see pictures under water. It must be immediately assumed that as the enemy landing forces approach, shock submarines will also support them in order to suppress the defense. They will be able to fix the "baby", give target designation and participate in the "showdown". This is the strongest deterrent from attack.
              The Americans standardly use submarines to escort aircraft carriers and formations (fleets), to view underwater conditions (blind spots) and to suddenly attack an enemy.
              1. bald
                bald 20 January 2018 21: 47 New
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                Yes, I am not against babies, only in serious ports - bases, the whole bay, starting from the entrance, is dotted with hospitals, but there are only swimmers to be wary of - I myself am a scuba diver - and underwater I did not only look at fish in ports, of course.
  5. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 20 January 2018 09: 20 New
    +1
    Yes, it’s quite reasonable to use a small submarine for surveillance to guard your own bases, they are also relevant for all kinds of reconnaissance or special missions, where a large boat doesn’t pass, it will slip through and complete the task ...
    And if you want, you can probably put a caliber on it or something like that ...
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 20 January 2018 09: 25 New
      +3
      Why trifle, then ?? Let's stick the “Blue”!)) As many as 20 pcs. laughing
      1. Genry
        Genry 20 January 2018 12: 24 New
        0
        Your "joke" according to Sinev is not funny ...
        A caliber can be used through a standard torpedo tube.
        1. The Siberian barber
          The Siberian barber 20 January 2018 12: 57 New
          +1
          Let us add this wonderful weapon to everything that flies, rides, swims, good, there are a lot of electrical tape !!
          I am surprised at some VO visitors who believe in Caliber as a panacea for an adversary, and who want to “stick” them wherever possible laughing
          1. Genry
            Genry 20 January 2018 15: 29 New
            0
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            I am surprised to some visitors to VO who believe in “Caliber” as a panacea for an adversary, and who want to “stick” them wherever you can laugh

            They stuck a piece of worthless text and laughing . What else did you learn to do without straining gray matter?
            Don't you like Caliber? Why are they bad? What can you offer in return?
            1. The Siberian barber
              The Siberian barber 20 January 2018 16: 28 New
              0
              These boats are intended for other purposes!)), For the "Caliber", there are carriers) that's all!
              To the question "like, do not like" .. In my opinion, such a concept is more suitable as a criterion for evaluating a woman, not technology, especially military)))
            2. ZVO
              ZVO 21 January 2018 19: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Genry

              They stuck a piece of worthless text and laughing . What else did you learn to do without straining gray matter?
              Don't you like Caliber? Why are they bad? What can you offer in return?


              I will advise you to collect this gray matter yourself ...
              In order to understand what to use calibers from torpedo tubes, you need to bring several hundred kilograms of new equipment. and mount.
              And for him there may or may not be a place. Or pairing with the existing one does not work ...
              Probably also TA - modify. What I am 100% sure.
              So think ..
              1. Genry
                Genry 22 January 2018 00: 16 New
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                In order to understand what to use calibers from torpedo tubes, you need to bring several hundred kilograms of new equipment. and mount.

                Did you bring it, assemble it? TA modified? Yes, you have not even seen! Carrying here ...
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 25 January 2018 15: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: Genry
                  Quote: ZVO
                  In order to understand what to use calibers from torpedo tubes, you need to bring several hundred kilograms of new equipment. and mount.

                  Did you bring it, assemble it? TA modified? Yes, you have not even seen! Carrying here ...


                  Get crazy ...
                  Contracts with Indians read public versions ...
                  Or do you think that a rocket stuck in a torpedo tube and it flew?
                  There are a lot of equipment for transmitting target designation to a rocket and many other things ...
                  Torpedo tubes are being finalized.
                  Or the production of modernization of Indian missiles for the launch of the Caliber, which lasted for six months - did the Indians just do that?

                  Think with your head ...
                  1. Genry
                    Genry 25 January 2018 17: 01 New
                    0
                    Quote: ZVO
                    Get crazy ...

                    Learn to write without confusion, at least ...
                    From Wikipedia:
                    Caliber-PL (Club-S - export version) is a Russian integrated missile system located in 533-mm submarine torpedo tubes and designed to destroy surface, submarine and ground targets. The system can be equipped with any submarines having 533 mm torpedo tubes [1].
                    Quote: ZVO
                    Contracts with Indians read public versions ...
                    Or do you think that a rocket stuck in a torpedo tube and it flew?
                    There are a lot of equipment for transmitting target designation to a rocket and many other things ...
                    Torpedo tubes are being finalized.

                    Have you seen the secret contracts with India? Well, you give .... For a long time this ... I have not heard. In fact, India is engaged in its similar missile.
                    By Caliber-PL. Target designation can be obtained by secure email (everything is done for us) and tossed into a rocket with a simple device. Then, load the rocket into the TA and, with an air kiss, wish her “happiness” like a normal torpedo. And perhaps a change in the purpose of the rocket during the flight. (but not always)
          2. Nikolai Passerby
            Nikolai Passerby 20 January 2018 21: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: The Siberian Barber
            I am amazed at some VO visitors who believed in Caliber as a panacea for an adversary

            Do not be surprised ... Some visitors to VO believe that they throw the adversary in general - hats. And then they learned from TV about "Caliber" ... The "dizziness from success" began. However, for some here in VO - this is dizziness from drinking alcohol, without which they do not sit at the computer, to smash the adversary ...
            1. Genry
              Genry 22 January 2018 00: 28 New
              0
              Quote: Nikolai Passerby
              Some visitors to VO believe that they throw the adversary in general - hats. And then they learned from TV about "Caliber" ...

              Some training manuals from the series “pissed off all the polymers”, and they can’t understand that the “Caliber” is tailored to the size of the torpedo tube and there is a modification of the missile specifically for the primitive TA.
              And about the "cast" - this is your wet fantasies from the series "all my women."
              Quote: Nikolai Passerby
              The dizziness of success began. However, for some here in VO - this is dizziness from drinking alcohol, without which they do not sit at the computer, to smash the adversary ...

              Ooh, as you all described ... But I never imagined that you were always like this ... or not always, with dizziness ...
              1. Nikolai Passerby
                Nikolai Passerby 22 January 2018 15: 13 New
                0
                Quote: Genry
                Ooh, as you all described ...

                Did you recognize yourself and you didn’t like it? What to do ... True - rarely does anyone like her.
                1. Genry
                  Genry 22 January 2018 15: 30 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolai Passerby
                  Did you recognize yourself and you didn’t like it?

                  I didn’t want to offend you, saying that this is your self-portrait ... Many have the property that if they begin to paint a portrait from memory, they often completely or partially write out their faces. This is especially noticeable among cartoonists.
                  Quote: Nikolai Passerby
                  True - rarely does anyone like her.

                  Some ... persistently try to transfer their cockroaches to an interlocutor.
                  1. Nikolai Passerby
                    Nikolai Passerby 22 January 2018 16: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: Genry
                    Some ... persistently try to transfer their cockroaches to an interlocutor.

                    So do not throw ... What is yours is yours. Deal with it ...
                    1. Genry
                      Genry 22 January 2018 16: 25 New
                      0
                      Your training manual ran out of answers?
                      Scratch nonsense in a hurry, but I suggest you come to terms with it. You were already born with her and you think that the rest should live according to your ideas. And I owe you nothing.
                      1. Nikolai Passerby
                        Nikolai Passerby 22 January 2018 18: 59 New
                        0
                        Quote: Genry
                        And I owe you nothing.

                        Of course. I already wrote about this: "What is yours-yours. Resign yourself to this ..." For training manuals, this is for you to the doctor. I wish you recovery ...
                    2. Genry
                      Genry 22 January 2018 20: 17 New
                      0
                      Quote: Nikolai Passerby
                      Of course. I already wrote about this: "What is yours-yours. Resign yourself to this ..." For training manuals, this is for you to the doctor. I wish you recovery ...

                      You keep your thoughts to yourself, you will appear smarter and you will not be counted on the "weak link". But already noted ... We would have passed by and there would have been no headache and would not have twitched with our "laugh". You have already resigned to your dependent status. You do not like people, do not love the country, do not understand what is happening. Pattern and humility is your lifestyle. And you want everyone to be in your humble pattern.
                      1. Nikolai Passerby
                        Nikolai Passerby 22 January 2018 21: 53 New
                        0
                        To the doctor, urgently ... Here he is, as it is and tell him. He will understand you. All the best. Farewell.
                    3. Genry
                      Genry 23 January 2018 01: 36 New
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                      Quote: Nikolai Passerby
                      To the doctor, urgently ... Here he is, as it is and tell him. He will understand you. All the best. Farewell.

                      Happily! And do not hide behind someone else’s back, as it was this time.
  6. kebeskin
    kebeskin 20 January 2018 09: 49 New
    +1
    For forgotten vodka will go well. Kuzmich with obry take.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 20 January 2018 15: 01 New
      0
      Quote: kebeskin
      For forgotten vodka will go well. Kuzmich with obry take.

      So they went on it
  7. san4es
    san4es 20 January 2018 11: 12 New
    +3
    Ultra-small submarine of project 865 Piranha soldier
    1. CAT BAIYUN
      CAT BAIYUN 20 January 2018 14: 27 New
      +1
      Thanks for the movie.
      1. pafegosoff
        pafegosoff 21 January 2018 06: 43 New
        +1
        This is how much stuffed into such a toy! In 218 cubic meters!
  8. ROM1077
    ROM1077 20 January 2018 11: 16 New
    0
    Of course, the countries of Latin America can take cocaine unnoticed in the USA on small submarines.
  9. san4es
    san4es 20 January 2018 11: 20 New
    +2
    Reconnaissance and sabotage submarines P-650 soldier
  10. engineer74
    engineer74 20 January 2018 11: 38 New
    +1
    ... to the submarines with a displacement of 130 to 1000 tons are the states of Latin America ...

    Cocaine to the States to carry? It is high time! At the same time, US NAVY chases!
  11. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 21 January 2018 01: 02 New
    0
    And again, the border guards should arm them and give them the tactical protection of the underwater borders.
  12. Alexander Abdrakhmanov
    Alexander Abdrakhmanov 21 January 2018 04: 02 New
    0
    Small, and damage to the enemy can cause irreparable. First, warheads increased in power and range increased. It can attack from a long distance, then determine from where it hit, with great pleasure maneuver. They hit Syria - the Americans didn’t know when, until they showed it.
  13. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 21 January 2018 06: 25 New
    0
    And besides that. For the shallow Baltic - that’s it! Well, the Swedes to nerve once again ...
  14. Nemesis
    Nemesis 21 January 2018 17: 27 New
    +1
    In the USSR, M-type submarines were already built ... There was little sense from them, almost none, and the smaller the submarine, the less useful it was
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 21 January 2018 18: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Nemesis
      In the USSR, M-type submarines were already built ... There was little sense from them, almost none, and the smaller the submarine, the less useful it was

      Well, not so bad against the general background.
      On the combat account of the submarine type "Baby" in total there are 61 sunk vessels. The total displacement of sunk ships - 135 512 gross. Also, the “Little Ones” damaged 8 vessels with a total displacement of 20 gross vehicles and destroyed 131 enemy warships. / wiki /
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 21 January 2018 18: 36 New
        +1
        Type M submarines in the USSR proved to be useless, from the word ABSOLUTELY ... Therefore, they proceeded to the construction of larger M15 series submarines, and then they were abandoned, due to low seaworthiness, autonomy and utility in general
        1. Freeman
          Freeman 21 January 2018 19: 14 New
          0
          Nemesis Today, 18:36

          M15 - You probably meant the XV series of "Babies"? They managed to build 4 units for the war.
          The most massive of those who fought is the XII series. Fought 39 pcs.
          There was an article onAnalysis of the effectiveness of Soviet submarines in the Great Patriotic War"- in all, our submariners sunk 126" targets. "
          The term "target" is not clear, roofing felts were considered together with transports, roofing felts were only ships of the navy. In a quote from the wiki, warships are for some reason highlighted separately.
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 21 January 2018 19: 20 New
            +1
            Everyone considered the goal, down to the boat and barge, but the transition to larger submarines eloquently speaks of the futility of the small and the difficulty of using them. Any feat is always the flip side of someone's stupidity and the fact that they were able to do something on type M boats, this speaks of the heroism of the personnel, and not of the usefulness of the boats themselves ... In general, all these statements about the mosquito fleet supposedly useful for the Russian Federation , another attempt to save on the army, to the detriment of its combat effectiveness