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Crimean shipyard has found a replacement for the Finnish generator

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Crimean factory "Bay", which of the sanctions are not able to buy the Finnish Wärtsilä's equipment, generators group received MAN, reports RBC.




Generators are needed for the construction of a rescue vessel worth 2,79 billion rubles, which was ordered by the Ministry of Transport.

The representative of the division of MAN, engaged in the production of marine equipment, said that the company is not aware of the use of generators at the shipyard "Gulf".

We are not participating and have not participated in any current or recent projects with the Zaliv plant,
said interlocutor edition.

According to him, there were no deliveries to the plant during the "last 10 years". He admitted that the Gulf could use equipment that was produced for other vessels, but “MAN cannot control this and be aware of this.”

The Russian Ministry of Transport did not respond to the RBC request.

According to Aleksey Gorlatov, head of Goltsblat BLP commercial practice, the situation with MAN generators is different from the Siemens turbine scandal that broke out in the summer of 2017: specific object. "

He suggested that the plant could outbid the equipment, rather than purchase directly from the manufacturer. And if Gulf bought this equipment in Russia, then the EU sanctions do not affect such a deal.

The lawyer also noted that if MAN did not know about the final buyer, which is “very unlikely,” then the manufacturer will be punished for violating the sanctions.

It is not excluded that the European authorities will also want to close such cases, forcing companies to introduce compliance measures, including tracking where the goods go, and to include in the contracts a ban on further sales to Crimea,
added Gorlatov.

According to another expert, MAN could sell this equipment before the imposition of sanctions, and then resold it.

In such a situation, I think, MAN does not threaten anything, because in principle the delivery was made under that contract, which did not fall under sanctions, and the manufacturer does not control the further fate of the equipment,
he said.

And even if MAN sold the equipment to a Russian company after the imposition of sanctions, not knowing that it will be redirected to the Crimea, the company is likely to avoid punishment, the source added.
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  1. Rusland
    Rusland 19 January 2018 12: 47
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    The world is not without good people, or rather sensible people.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 19 January 2018 12: 53
      +8
      There would be money. The Germans are much more practical than the Finns. Even if they make noise later for a look.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 19 January 2018 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        There would be money. The Germans are much more practical than the Finns.

        And how could Hitler not have guessed to cut a fine for MAN for the fact that Soviet tankers fought on captured Panthers?request
    2. Going
      Going 19 January 2018 12: 54
      +8
      Now the great horses will take care and will scream for the whole universe.
    3. 210ox
      210ox 19 January 2018 12: 55
      14
      It’s time to put RBC against the wall. They climb to where the dog Lishay did not stick his nose ...
      Quote: Rusland
      The world is not without good people, or rather sensible people.
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 19 January 2018 13: 05
        0
        +1, but only right after the TV channel!
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 January 2018 14: 42
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        RBC time to put to the wall

        To the wall you need to put those "talker birds" who have been disheveled around the world about the fact that the generators have gone to the Crimea. If everyone had done quietly, no RBC would have known anything. We have a lot of trouble from these fans to give interviews.
        1. BVS
          BVS 20 January 2018 15: 31
          +1
          Suggest such a great state as the Russian Federation to lie to the whole world - "If everyone had done quietly - no RBC would have known anything."?
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 20 January 2018 21: 26
            0
            Do not bother and lie - different concepts. And how are you brazenly lying to the whole world ... Whose cow would mumble ...
            1. BVS
              BVS 20 January 2018 21: 39
              +1
              My flag is not my flag. In my state, the former union republic, this site is blocked - you have to go into the gardens and back streets.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 21 January 2018 14: 01
                0
                Quote: bvs
                My flag is not my flag. In my state, the former union republic ...

                Well, if your flag is one of these, then this is worse than star-striped. This is also the former allied, standing in a pose of "cancer" in front of the star-striped.
                1. BVS
                  BVS 21 January 2018 14: 16
                  +2
                  Yes, you, Russians, love your ex-brothers, with hot love up to asphyxiation! No gifts, they probably run away from our taiga alliances. I am from Kazakhstan, a retired senior officer, a Slav. I look at your art and smile. You are still young, there will be time - wisdom will come! Good luck to you!
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 January 2018 16: 08
                    +2
                    Come on. At all and all offense is empty! There are no real filters, but the control itself ???? So it is necessary to have something to control.
                    Norms find the interlocutor and all business.
                  2. Piramidon
                    Piramidon 21 January 2018 16: 41
                    0
                    Quote: bvs
                    Yes, you, Russians, love your ex-brothers, with hot love up to asphyxiation! ... You are still young, there will be time - wisdom will come!

                    Interestingly, how do you determine age? I, too, relying on my age and 25 years of service in the Soviet Army (I did not serve in the Russian Army), I can answer you - not all of us are “brothers” who were part of the USSR, and now have crossed over to the side of a “probable adversary”. Something like this, Mr. "senior officer"
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 21 January 2018 16: 50
                      +2
                      Then the language is given to us, for communication.
                      Anoint everyone equally, but why.
                      There are enemies, there are friends, there is neither this nor that!
                      We can talk first, and then, if there is something to decide, whether a friend or an enemy is in front of you.
                    2. BVS
                      BVS 21 January 2018 17: 38
                      +1
                      A draw in our debate, each has its own truth. History will judge.
                      1. Piramidon
                        Piramidon 21 January 2018 18: 02
                        0
                        And you didn’t bother to answer the question of determining age. Or is it your old army habit of answering any uncomfortable question, without knowing your opponent’s age: "Do not cross over the elders, salaga"?
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 21 January 2018 19: 13
                        +2
                        I just got in with my opinion.
                        Sorry, if it was not necessary.
    4. Chertt
      Chertt 19 January 2018 13: 00
      0
      Quote: Rusland
      The world is not without good people

      The Germans are generally so kind. And the Finns are slowly thinking.
      1. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 19 January 2018 14: 21
        +7
        They are not good. They’re just not stupid. Generators will be sold in Astrakhan; Astrakhan will be sold in Crimea. The Germans will sue. They will be sent to their German mother. And that’s it!
    5. RASKAT
      RASKAT 19 January 2018 13: 29
      +2
      And that in the native country enterprises capable of building generators have ended? Somehow it's all strange, I think so. request
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 January 2018 13: 38
        +5
        Long. They were not very well produced in the RSFSR, more and more in the republics and countries of friends.
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 19 January 2018 13: 42
          0
          Well, I don’t know, but are we also putting foreign ships on warships? Or submarines? I’m silent about nuclear power plants. It seems like we are already building a lot of ships, maybe then, if we do not produce them, we should take care of the problem of producing domestic generators? Somehow it's weird request
          1. oldzek
            oldzek 19 January 2018 15: 08
            +2
            that’s just the point! for the military, please, but for the citizen, the Allies have long been doing it. For a long time I worked with diesels from the GDR. Excellent engines, by the way.
      2. Alexkorzun
        Alexkorzun 19 January 2018 15: 20
        +6
        And that in the native country enterprises capable of building generators have ended?

        Before the army, I worked as an electrician, both on land and on ships (the USSR during its heyday). Our equipment is bricks. Good equipment was Polish. German was beyond praise.
        So it did not end - he, sensible, simply did not exist.
        1. RASKAT
          RASKAT 19 January 2018 15: 24
          0
          Here, as usual, we fly into space, we are building a nuclear power plant, but we can’t build an intelligent refrigerator, or in this case a generator. How sad it all is.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 January 2018 19: 40
        0
        They need to be made several tens of thousands per year, if less, production will not be profitable.
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 January 2018 12: 51
    0
    Yes, all do not care when a lot of zeros. At the bottom of the estimate, opposite Total
  3. Dormidont
    Dormidont 19 January 2018 12: 52
    0
    It is time for our Finnish partners to suck, not a Russian forest, as a response gesture
  4. ded100
    ded100 19 January 2018 12: 54
    +3
    Well done MAN to know nothing, know, know, do not know, roll away from us! laughing
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 19 January 2018 12: 57
    +5
    A holy place is never empty. The Finns refused, the Germans came. The Germans will leave (which is unlikely) the Americans will come. Money rules the world.
    1. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 19 January 2018 13: 07
      +4
      With the supply of American generators, RBC would not stink. and generally there would be quiet and smoothness and God's grace
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 19 January 2018 13: 09
    +2
    Normally, we need to send a prosecutor to our huckster or to send someone even more convincing !!!!
    Besides, for example, who has the coolest yacht, he seems to love my ocean! Let "contribute" to the homeland in the restoration of industry !!! After all, they let out before EVERYTHING NECESSARY !!!
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 19 January 2018 14: 18
      +1
      Victor, welcome hi So, go to your yacht and purchase generators from MAN, and then from the tax news came - give the generators and sleep peacefully. Who will mind it? lol
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 January 2018 14: 26
        +2
        Hello, Sergey.
        So, blue fantasies, our "fat belly" prosecutor does not intimidate ... although not. looking at what flag to appear !!! Under the tricolor floor is unlikely, a little "lose weight" and all business. Under the striped, in this embodiment, "lose weight" quickly and pass everything and everyone !!!
        Unfortunately, we have reason to believe that it can be so.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 19 January 2018 14: 32
          +1
          I will not cry for them, let them lose weight. The main thing is that the suit is si ... sorry, the generator stood where it is needed.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 January 2018 14: 41
            +2
            If it will be a whale prosecutor, generators will stand on their ships! The Yankees do not suffer altruism, if they do anything just for the sake of their loved ones!
  7. loginovich
    loginovich 19 January 2018 13: 13
    0
    The Crimean Zaliv factory, which, due to sanctions, could not buy Finnish Wärtsilä equipment,



    And this despite the fact that the co-owners seem to be from the Russian Federation and under the license of Varsil are being collected in the Russian Federation. And it’s scary to sell to Crimea. Funny by golly.

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2014/0
    4/07 / transmashholding-vykupaet-dolyu-wartsila-vs
    p-po
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 January 2018 13: 37
      +1
      So where does this lead? Vyartsila - withdraw the contract and license, and any court will support it. It will also cease supervision and maintenance of units located in federal departments and state companies. It's like with airplanes - immediately there will be problems, both technical and legal.
      1. loginovich
        loginovich 19 January 2018 14: 39
        0
        Thats exactly what I mean.


        Money seems to have something to spend it is necessary to ask the older brother.
  8. Lexus
    Lexus 19 January 2018 14: 53
    +1
    It’s time for the Finns to cover up the shipments. Supported the sanctions? Good! Then there is no forest ... but you hold on!
    1. 23424636
      23424636 19 January 2018 20: 30
      0
      Kruglyak is Dima iPhone with the extension of the contract for the Saimaa Canal as much as 50 years
  9. Igor V
    Igor V 19 January 2018 15: 52
    +1
    And it seems to me that it is necessary to punish MAN, and Siemens, and all other Caucasoid enterprises. Strictly punish until close. Then we’ll see who these sanctions are against. smile
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 January 2018 19: 42
      +2
      This closure will affect our entire industry, including the military.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 19 January 2018 21: 02
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        This closure will affect our entire industry, including the military.

        Maybe even then it will reach our leadership that we need to change the model of the economy. And even the president and the first minister recently expressed how they like our economy, in which industrial enterprises cannot survive.
  10. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 19 January 2018 16: 45
    0
    MAN-MARINE are the best motors for water transport! Finns in flight even if a tender is announced!
    1. Dedall
      Dedall 19 January 2018 22: 22
      +1
      And they also had Krupp motors and both concerns exist in the 19th century. All German WWII submarines used these engines. But what is especially remarkable is that no political conflicts in Germany affected them.
  11. Normal ok
    Normal ok 19 January 2018 17: 55
    0
    The Crimean Zaliv plant, which, due to sanctions, was unable to buy equipment from the Finnish Wärtsilä, received MAN group generators

    Replaced Finnish, - German. And where is the import substitution proper?
    1. Alexkorzun
      Alexkorzun 21 January 2018 14: 37
      0
      This is idiotic substitution.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 19 January 2018 18: 23
    0
    Even under the USSR there was a similar ban on the supply of high-tech equipment and machine tools. And they managed to resell, and now, when there is China to which. all laws are just ridiculous.
  13. Machete
    Machete 19 January 2018 20: 24
    0
    Well done Manovtsy.
    They turned on the fool, earned money.
    what's next...
    That will be later. Nobody will touch this money.
  14. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 19 January 2018 21: 32
    0
    And what will Mr. Klim Chugunkin, the Foreign Minister of Independence, say? Have you already filed a complaint with Sportloto?
  15. earloop
    earloop 19 January 2018 21: 46
    +1
    "A holy place is never empty"! For Finns and others, a wonderful lesson!
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  17. BVS
    BVS 21 January 2018 18: 05
    +1
    Piramidon,
    1954