In Israel, a female pilot for the first time led a squadron

For the first time in stories Israeli Air Force woman appointed as squadron commander, reports RIA News message of the press service of the military department of the country.

The appointment of the female pilot to the post and the assignment of the rank of lieutenant colonel to her coincided with another round of debates with the participation of politicians, rabbis and the press on the feasibility of introducing gender equality principles into the Israeli Armed Forces.

She will be the first female pilot in this position and rank,

the report said.

It is known that lieutenant colonel T (her last name is indicated in the release) is 35 years old, she has two children. She serves in the transport aviation.

“The military pilot’s career was closed to women in Israel until 1994, when South African native Alice Miller achieved admission to flight courses through the Supreme Court. She was unable to finish them for medical reasons, but more than 1,2 thousands of Israelis arrived there and fifty of them got to graduation, ”the newspaper“ Haaretz ”wrote earlier.

Meanwhile, the statements of two authoritative rabbis, who criticized the army command for following the “aggressive feminist agenda” and called their followers “to evade service in“ mixed ”parts, received a big response this week. They also demanded the resignation of Chief of General Staff Gadi Eisenkota.

Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman called the statements of the rabbis "outrageous" and in turn demanded that they not interfere in army affairs.

Attacks against the service of women in the army are no longer angry, but cause pity. It is easy to see that behind this patriarchal discourse there is a distress signal from a handful of frightened men,

wrote on this occasion the newspaper Israel HaYom.

Comments

[Krasnodar]

If this is a squadron of transport aircraft, then good afternoon! Although it’s still dangerous.

[siberalt]

One such American commander with axes bombed Syria.

[Shurik70]

In fact, it’s strange that women previously closed the way for the pilot.
In Israel, although studies have been conducted that have confirmed that in most cases a man can withstand more intense loads, it is the same in most, of which there are always exceptions. If a person normally holds overloads, knows the technique well and has a good reaction, then why limit it. In Israel, true equality, women are soldiers like men.

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

If it is a squadron of transport aircraft

They write that this is the 106th Squadron of Hod Khanit fighters (Spear Point), stationed at the Tel Nof air base.
Roni Zuckerman

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

Quote: Krasnodar

If it is a squadron of transport aircraft

They write that this is the 106th Squadron of Hod Khanit fighters (Spear Point), stationed at the Tel Nof air base.
Roni Zuckerman

Oh, then bad ...

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

Oh, then bad ...

Hastened to post a photo, it turns out Roni Zuckerman was appointed deputy commander of the 106th squadron earlier, so maybe everything is fine

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

Quote: Krasnodar

Oh, then bad ...

Hastened to post a photo, it turns out Roni Zuckerman was appointed deputy commander of the 106th squadron earlier, so maybe everything is fine

Not a big difference...

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

Not a big difference...

This is which side to look at, I mean today!
ps Tomorrow at VO on Shabbat-Saturday party with hackers between God's chosen and God-bearers we will arrange?

[Maz]

Let him command at least the aviation wing. Don't interfere

[Vend]

Quote: Krasnodar

If this is a squadron of transport aircraft, then good afternoon! Although it’s still dangerous.

On critical days, the squadron will not fly

[Serving the Fatherland]

It will be scary when the bearded women begin to fly at the helm in the USA or NATO !!!!

[anjey]

Yes, it’s just that the Israeli femdom penetrated into all the pores and holes of this society, whether it is good or bad they feel their male skin in the holy land ...

[The black]

Quote: anjey

Yes, just an Israeli femdom penetrated into all the pores and holes of this society, whether it is good or bad they feel their male skin in the holy land ..

I think that in terms of the number of women in the army, we significantly surpass Israel, and will soon overtake in percentage terms ..

[anjey]

and we have many female comasques, although all individually, there were women in Russian villages, of course ...

[anjey]

Israeli ladies with a squeak and climb into the tanks, who initiates all this, it is unknown, probably still they have few real meat grinders with an equal or even superior opponent, the Arab wars didn’t count ...

[Tramp1812]

The main thing is that during the performance of a combat mission, the lady should not be distracted by looking in the mirror and tinting her lips.

[Professor]

Quote: Rogue1812

The main thing is that during the performance of a combat mission, the lady should not be distracted by looking in the mirror and tinting her lips.

The main thing is not to be blonde. Nothing else matters.

PS

[corporal]

No, driving ̶п̶и̶ ... a star is not a ride. IMHO of course.

[The black]

Quote: Corporal

No, driving ̶п̶и̶ ... a star is not a ride. IMHO of course.

about Tereshkova, about Savitskaya, etc. .... you say so too? ..... although in fact I agree ...

[corporal]

Quote: Black

.. also say so?

Definitely! After Tereshkova, what did Korolev say? "Babam in space does not belong"?

[The black]

Quote: Corporal

"Babam in space does not belong"?

He said whether or not I don’t know for sure (they say), but the fact that after that three more of our compatriots traveled into space is for sure

[Gonzallo]

Quote: Corporal

Quote: Black

.. also say so?

Definitely! After Tereshkova, what did Korolev say? "Babam in space does not belong"?

He has not met with Israeli women.

[Anyone]

Quote: Krasnodar

If this is a squadron of transport aircraft, then good afternoon! Although it’s still dangerous.

In GA we have both 2 pilots and FAC women. Not afraid to fly on vacation? )))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Anyone

Quote: Krasnodar

If this is a squadron of transport aircraft, then good afternoon! Although it’s still dangerous.

In GA we have both 2 pilots and FAC women. Not afraid to fly on vacation? )))

El Alem flew a lot (Israeli airline), never once came across women pilots, to be honest)))

[Anyone]

I'm talking about Aeroflot actually))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Anyone

I'm talking about Aeroflot actually))

Slowed, sorry))
I have never encountered Aeroflot either, although I often flew both international and domestic flights

[Anyone]

There were FACs at Aeroflot at the time I was flying (retired in 2011). Irina Uvarova (or Olga - I don’t remember exactly) - on Airbus. Before her, women flew both on the Tu-154 and Tu-134. Not true commanders. But some lady was an instructor at the navigators. I think now in AFL there are a lot of ladies both on the left in the cab and on the right.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Anyone

There were FACs at Aeroflot at the time I was flying (retired in 2011). Irina Uvarova (or Olga - I don’t remember exactly) - on Airbus. Before her, women flew both on the Tu-154 and Tu-134. Not true commanders. But some lady was an instructor at the navigators. I think now in AFL there are a lot of ladies both on the left in the cab and on the right.

On Frankfurt am Main - Moscow, on Moscow Tel Aviv, on Krasnodar Moscow, a woman pilot has never met. Or just ignored

[Anyone]

Probably because the percentage of women-FAC is small and the co-pilot is often not represented during the greeting of passengers by the aircraft commander. Or maybe just lucky))

[Livonetc]

The women of the pilot howled with us long before Tereshkova and Savitskaya.
Zvereva Lidia Vissarionovna (1890-1916), the first Russian pilot.
At the beginning of the century, in the capital of the Russian Empire, St. Petersburg, a young gymnasium student Lydia Zvereva lived in a very wealthy family of a general of the Russian army.
Relatives saw Lydia as a lady of aristocratic salons. After graduating from high school, her, the daughter of a famous Russian general, the hero of the war in the Balkans of 1877 - 78 years, Vissarion Ivanovich Zverev, was given to the Institute of noble maidens. But Lida is dreaming of a different career - air-races. She made her first flight in childhood - she moved down from the roof of a barn on an ordinary umbrella. The flight ended in a fall in nettles and parental punishment. Already a gymnasium student in St. Petersburg she watched as if spellbound by the flights of balloons, and after a couple of years she took to the air in a balloon.
Word Renate:
In June 1911, shortly after graduating from the aristocratic institute, Lydia entered the Gamayun Aviation School, which had just opened in Gatchina. And after a few weeks, the risky student for the first time takes off - albeit with an instructor.
In August of the same year, the girl’s first independent flight took place. I managed to find information about him in a Petersburg newspaper. “At the Gatchina military airdrome, she was tested for the rank of pilot L.V. Zverev. At four o’clock in the morning several airmen, military pilots and many outsiders gathered at the airport. A brave airwoman calmly got into the Farman airplane and flew up to a height of fifty-sixty meters , described five eights in the air. Mrs. Zvereva managed to make a very accurate descent. "
On August 23, 1911, Lydia was awarded the diploma of the pilot-aviator at number 31. And then he went to the aviator in a skirt for only 21 years.
She joyfully accepted an aviation diploma under No. 31. This meant that Lidia Zvereva became the 31st pilot to receive a diploma in Russia, and the first Russian woman to learn to fly an airplane.
In the same year, 1911, three more Russian women became air carriers: Evgenia Anatra, artist Lyubov Golanchikova and Princess Yevgenia Shakhovskaya.
On the verge of death
Then aviators often demonstrated flights on airplanes in front of the public. Aviation was a novelty, and people willingly paid money to see the miracle of the 1912th century with their own eyes. Together with the pilots Pyotr Yevsyukov, Alexander Agafonov and Vladimir Slyusarenko at the beginning of XNUMX, Lidia Vissarionovna went to Baku. Then they flew to Tiflis. In March, she and her airplane were already in Riga.
The flight here on April 1 nearly cost her her life. She climbed on "Farman" from the Riga hippodrome. A strong wind began to blow the car to the stands filled with spectators. Zvereva made a sharp maneuver. The airplane capsized. Upon hitting the ground, the airplane was thrown forward and crushed by debris.
“A cry of horror involuntarily escaped from everyone,” the local newspaper wrote. No one doubted that the plane was dead. Fortunately, this did not happen, but the consequences of the accident were serious. “She’s barely alive,” she wrote in one of the letters. “I almost broke my leg in the fall. I still feel pain. The lungs are in a very bad situation. Doctors at all costs require a trip to the south, and I want to fly.” In disobedience they promise a fleeting consumption. Here it is, the fate of aviation. "

From Tiflis to Riga

At the aeronautics school, Zvereva met her future husband-pilot-instructor Vladimir Slyusarenko. In 1911-12, they participated in demonstration flights in various cities of Russia. Flying becomes their only source of livelihood.
It is not enough to say that flights in those years were dangerous. The "farmers", on which they rose into the air, did not have a closed cabin, were very unstable and could roll over with a strong gust of wind. It is no accident that they were called flying whatnots. World statistics for 1912 indicates the death of 112 aircraft. The reason for the fall of most aircraft is a strong wind.
Here on a similar “whatnot” Zvereva and Slyusarenko performed demonstration flights in the central regions of Russia, in the Caucasus.
The risk was enormous, and the pilots received little money. Sometimes after the performance there was nothing to pay for the hotel. In Tiflis, during the hurricane, the "farm" of the aviators was destroyed and in order to pay the costs they had to give the organizers their last value - the surviving engine.
After Tiflis, fate brought pilots to Riga. Lydia - for the second time.

Like a fairytale!

The couple did not come to Riga by accident. The city at that time was considered the center of Russian aviation. In 1911, the construction of aircraft began at the famous Russo-Balt (Russian-Baltic Carriage Building Plant), a little later - at the Motor Plant. (They produced the very first aircraft engines in Russia).
"Motor" was at that time outside the city, in Sassenhof. There, in the current Zasulauks, on Shampeter Street, 41, Zverev and Slyusarenko received permission not only to test aircraft, but also to build them. Welcome to the construction of "farmers" gave the military.
Already in October 1913, the first two aircraft left the assembly line of their enterprise - reconnaissance aircraft Farman-XVI. The tests are successful, and the aviators receive a new order - for the manufacture of eight machines. And they coped with this task "perfectly". Spouses dreamed about new designs, about
the construction of another - a modern airfield, but the war prevented. Aircraft workshops were evacuated to Petrograd.
Nevertheless, the years spent in Riga were the happiest in Zvereva’s life. Here she not only tested and designed airplanes, but also founded her own school of pilots. According to contemporaries, there were ladies among her wards, and tuition at the school was the lowest in Russia. In Zolitude Zvereva and made a flight, which forever entered the history of aviation - a dead loop.
In May 1914, Russian aviator Yevgeny Spitsberg, the “King of the Dead Loops”, arrived in Riga. His first flight took place on May 4. "All Riga" gathered at the hippodrome. Such residents have not yet seen. Flips over the wing, falls on the tail, sharp turns, and, of course, “dead loops”.
Needless to say, Lidia Vissarionovna was at the hippodrome that evening. And the next day I flew along with Spitsberg to experience the “dead loop”, aerobatics. What was there! After the flight of the aviator and his brave passenger, the audience met with loud applause and showered with flowers.

"The first of the daughters of Eve"

Here’s what Lydia wrote about the flight May 19, 1914 on the Moran monoplane, the newspaper Riga Messenger: “Moran quickly gained altitude. 500, 600, 700 meters. At 800, the airplane suddenly hovered in the air and ducked down . “Ah !!!” - almost simultaneously escaped from the audience below, but the engine rumbled again - the airplane rushed up and described the “noose.” The breathless crowd exploded with applause. to the stands.
Bravo! Bravo! - flew from all sides ... "Another Riga newspaper, in an article entitled" Glory to the First Russian Airplane, "wrote:" Mrs. Zvereva will remain in Riga with grateful memory as the first of Eve's daughters who introduced us to the higher aviation school ... "
When the First World War began, Slyusarenko returned to St. Petersburg and transferred the plant there. They received a military order for the construction of aircraft. They also tested their aircraft, a high-speed fighter.
Easy breath
In St. Petersburg, where the Zvereva-Slyusarenko airline moved from Riga, at first everything also worked out successfully - the couple released about 80 "farmans" and "morans" of several military types. There were already not just aircraft workshops, but a factory with 300 employees.
But the idyll did not last long - on May 15, 1916, Lydia died. Typhoid And she was only 25.
They buried the air racer at the Nikolsky cemetery of the Alexander Nevsky Lavra. During the funeral, "farmers" circled over the monastery - friends said goodbye to their comrade.
Zvereva was not only courageous, but also a modest person. Only after death did they find in her casket a letter from the king of Russian aviation, the author of the dead loop Pyotr Nesterov, in which he admired her "solitude flight" ...

[voyaka uh]

Yes, they were generally phenomenally brave pilots. It’s scary to look at those whatnots - they’ll just fall apart. And they wrote out such loops!

[Livonetc]

The only woman in the world to commit an air ram
Zelenko Ekaterina Ivanovna

September 14, 1916 - September 12, 1941

She graduated from seven classes of incomplete secondary school No. 10 of the city of Kursk, the Voronezh Aero Club (1933), the 3rd Orenburg Military Aviation School of Pilots and Observer Pilots named after K. E. Voroshilov (1934, with honors). Member of the Komsomol. She was married to the pilot Pavel Ignatenko, commander of the 4th squadron of the same 135th BAP, who died in an air battle in 1943.

She served in the 19th Light Bomber Aviation Brigade, stationed in Kharkov. She was engaged in testing aircraft and aviation equipment, within four years she mastered seven types of aircraft. Member of the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940 (the only woman among the pilots) as part of the 3rd squadron of the 11th lightly-bomber aviation regiment, which was part of the 8th Army Air Force. It made 8 sorties, during which it destroyed the artillery battery and the ammunition depot of the enemy, was awarded the Order of the Red Banner. Then she returned to the 19th air brigade, from May 1940 she served in the newly formed 135th bomber regiment as an instructor pilot.

From the first day of World War II, she participated in battles, being the deputy commander of the 5th squadron of the 135th bomber aviation regiment (16th mixed aviation division, 6th Army Air Force, South-Western Front). In total, she managed to make 40 sorties (including at night), participated in 12 air battles. In July 1941, commanded a group of bombers that destroyed 45 tanks, 20 vehicles in the Propoisk area, to the battalion of enemy soldiers and returned without loss.

September 12, 1941 made two reconnaissance sorties on a Su-2 aircraft. Despite the fact that during the second departure her plane was damaged, on the same day she flew out on a mission for the third time. On the way back, near the city of Romny, two Soviet aircraft were attacked by seven German Me-109s. The second Soviet aircraft was shot down and forced to leave the battle. Zelenko was able to shoot down one plane, and when she ran out of ammunition, rammed a second German plane. Thus, she destroyed him, but she died herself.

The deceased pilot was buried by local residents in the center of the village of Anastasyevka, Sumy region. After the war, her remains were transported to the city of Kursk. Posthumously in 1941 she was presented to the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, but then she was awarded only the Order of Lenin [3]. May 5, 1990 by decree of the President of the USSR she was posthumously awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.

According to the Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant General Anatoly Ivanovich Pushkin:
“... it was a high-class pilot. She was born for aviation, like a bird for flight! "

[faiver]

Well, they attacked us, Nehai commands and flies, to remind how many pilots we had during the Second World War

[vlad007]

I have nothing against women in aviation.

[nesvobodnye]

Well done aunt!

[ADT]

One of the children remained on a similar basis under the contract. He does not like such Babovism. For example, a rack with certain equipment weighs more than 40 kg. Previously, there was a partner of the boy, after landing the plane, quickly, together, this rack was dragged to the plane. The partner was demobilized. There was a commander a man. He went on a promotion, instead of him a lady. She, with the words "we need to give the girls a chance," gave the second number a young, and not sufficiently competent girl. The kid comes home exhausted. Dragging this rack along with it, and even doing its job in essence. . And you can’t prove anything to anyone.

[APASUS]

Here is the answer from life!

[pilot69]

In my personal experience, women in the army (acting) do not belong. For the death of a woman in front of a soldier has, say, not a demoralizing effect, but a desire to punish, which in turn can lead to unpredictable consequences (and victims). From time immemorial, we have a woman - this is, first and foremost, a reliable rear, continuer of the clan, one that comes out of a wounded soldier, etc. And the attitude is appropriate.
By the way, is it not because in the west the line between the floors is being washed away - are they preparing everyone for the "firebox"?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: pilot69

In my personal experience, women in the army (acting) do not belong. For the death of a woman in front of a soldier has, say, not a demoralizing effect, but a desire to punish, which in turn can lead to unpredictable consequences (and victims). From time immemorial, we have a woman - this is, first and foremost, a reliable rear, continuer of the clan, one that comes out of a wounded soldier, etc. And the attitude is appropriate.
By the way, is it not because in the west the line between the floors is being washed away - are they preparing everyone for the "firebox"?

There were women snipers in the USSR, women pilots of attack aircraft and light bombers, even women tankers. During the war. And in Israel, war / armed conflict is part of reality, so ...
Personally, I am opposed, but many girls themselves go where they don’t need to, and for good reason))))
Patriotism, etc.

[anjey]

you have Israelis, the war is in the minds of more than one generation, you are constantly activating it in real life, for any, even insignificant reason, and this is akin to illness .... but please without tales about terrible external threats ....

[Krasnodar]

Quote: anjey

you have Israelis, the war is in the minds of more than one generation, you are constantly activating it in real life, for any, even insignificant reason, and this is akin to illness .... but please without tales about terrible external threats ....

What’s scary there? Well, neighbors have been cutting heads for centuries, poisoning them with chemistry, etc. Bullshit, what are the threats? )))

[anjey]

It happens to you sometimes, it’s not Jews who are slaughtered, how much blood has already been shed in Syria, you are still quietly launching your racket, you have your own gesheft from the thugs at times, since you are protecting blacks and greens ... and they’re spoiling them with chemistry the terrorists whom you support ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: anjey

It happens to you sometimes, it’s not Jews who are slaughtered, how much blood has already been shed in Syria, you are still quietly launching your racket, you have your own gesheft from the thugs at times, since you are protecting blacks and greens ... and they’re spoiling them with chemistry the terrorists whom you support ...

By chemistry, the Persians still poisoned the Persians in the 80s, they tried to kill Jews three times big, and then secretly rockets and terrorist attacks, Israel only defends its interests there, and only supports militias from villages bordering the Golan heights. For Jews, that IS, that Assad, sho Nusra, sho Hezbollah are all terrorists.

[shura7782]

but after her, more than 1,2 thousand Israeli women entered there and fifty of them reached graduation, ”
.Preparing one pilot is a very expensive task. Israel is a very rich country. Screening in the process of preparation takes place to be, but that would be out of 1,2 thousand fifty. Poor admission.

[Oleg7700]

About 10% of men enrolled in the course receive “wings” twice a year. The commission, which will not “give a chance” to the girls, will be subjected to public ostracism for absolutely unacceptable discrimination.

[shura7782]

You know better there.

[Victor-M]

Quote: shura7782

but that would be out of 1,2 thousand fifty. Poor admission.

Maybe just so many pilots do not need?

[shura7782]

Apparently the final selection is very harsh.

[Victor-M]

Well, it’s not a cat or a pig.