Russian Foreign Ministry: Kiev is preparing for a new war

Russia considers the Ukrainian law on the re-integration of Donbass evidence of preparation for a new war, reports RIA News Post MFA of Russia.

The Verkhovna Rada adopted in the second reading a presidential draft law on the reintegration of Donbass, in which Russia was called the “aggressor”, and the territories beyond the control of Kiev were “occupied”. The document gives the president of Ukraine the right to use the army in the east without declaring war.

The Foreign Ministry noted that since October, when the law passed the first reading, it, although subjected to some adjustments, but “retained the main focus - to legally confirm the Kiev line to solve the problem of Donbass by force”.

“In particular, the so-called anti-terrorist operation will be reformatted into a military one, and the military will be given control to it, to which all the rest of the security forces will also submit. To do this, they will create a kind of "joint operational headquarters", which will be able to use armed forces against civilians not only in the south-east, but throughout the country, and without formally imposing martial law, "the statement reads.

In fact, Petro Poroshenko receives unlimited, close to dictatorial, powers to suppress dissent and discontent. Otherwise, it is impossible to call this a preparation for a new war,

stated in the Foreign Ministry.

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[KVU-NSVD]

Russia considers the Ukrainian law on the reintegration of Donbass a testament to preparations for a new war, the Russian Foreign Ministry reports to RIA Novosti.

It seems like it started. I'd like to make a mistake

[The black]

Well, they are ready for war for a long time! And it’s kind of ready to start to advance, but there’s one snag. The step from fear has shrunk so much that the needle will not crawl through!

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The offensive is fraught with Russian intervention. In recent years, full-fledged units have been made of partisan militias and a tank army stands near Rostov. By the way, the bill had interesting provisions

According to the deputy chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Oksana Syroyyd in the legislative norm prescribed that "the army should trade": "the operational headquarters and the commander of the combined forces will control the entire trade flow." In fact, the main purpose of the army is to fight, and not at all protect trade, and it is strange that people in Kiev today think differently. In any case, expecting military leaders who supervise trade with the "enemy" to conduct offensive operations is pretty stupid - they won’t deal with the source of their own enrichment with their own hands! Donetsk and Lugansk are the focus of the fourth part of the entire economic potential of Ukraine, and Kiev is vitally interested in the supply of Donbass coal, which means that the military got access to the bottom of gold. However, the fact that this bottom is golden does not negate the fact that this is the bottom. For the military and their reputation, anyway. “I think this is a huge tragedy for our armed forces,” Oksana Syroyid complains, but hardly the Minister of Defense thinks the same. “Now the military is not something that they themselves will not go on the offensive, but they will carefully monitor that the volunteers do not break into the attack,” warns Oleg Lyashko, head of the radical faction in the Rada. Maybe this is the real end to the war? In any case, financial calculation, rather than the "patriotic" calls of the nationalists, is now at the forefront.

Source: https://versia.ru/kontrolirovat-torgovlyu-kieva-s
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[Chertt]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

It seems like it started. I'd like to make a mistake

It is not yet clear what is worse, a quick military decision, or an exhausting confrontation, with daily "planned" deaths of 2-3 people

[The black]

Quote: Chertt

It is not yet clear what is worse, a quick military decision, or an exhausting confrontation, with daily "planned" deaths of 2-3 people

I agree. But honestly, I don’t believe that ukrovermah will decide on a full-scale military operation .... not out of spiritual welfare, but because of animal fear .... The law in which the Russian Federation is called the aggressor country (officially) is needed by Pig for that a) at the right time for himself, introduce martial law (and then the elections, etc.) b) cajole the Natsik, whom he is wildly afraid of (the Vedbas themselves demanded) b) establish (or rather legitimize) the most severe censorship - war however ..... well, and much more. With the exception of open war, he cannot

[Chertt]

Quote: Black

But honestly, I don’t believe that ukroverm will decide for a full-scale power operation .... not out of spiritual welfare, but because of animal fear ...

Nobody believes, but many hope

[Lelek]

Quote: Black

.. The law in which the Russian Federation is called the aggressor country (officially) is needed by Piggy in order to a) introduce martial law at the right time for himself (and then the elections are open, etc.) b) to cajole the Natsik, whom he is wildly afraid of (they themselves demanded) b) establish (or rather legalize) the most severe censorship

, Vyacheslav.
IMHO, the main idea for declaring Russia an aggressor is in the mercantile "Wishlist" of Kiev. To start ringing about the loss of ruins from Russian aggression to all world authorities with the presentation of fictitious inconceivable accounts (a favorite hobby of the Khokhlyat oligarchs, led by the chocolate bourgeois). And the military component of these laws is in the background. Kiev can certainly unleash a full-scale war in the southeast, but with an eye to Russian warnings, but the war against Russia is unlikely - like death. By the way, about the laws adopted by Kiev Andres Maurer from Germany:

[The black]

I agree ... but there is also such a moment. For Piglet, frankly, sensitive. Since part of the country has already been occupied (now they have already announced this OFFICIALLY), now it is necessary to break off diplomatic relations, block economic relations, introduce a visa regime ..... well, it can still go to points 1 and 3, but the second is the problem. And where to sell products? And how to buy gas, coal and electricity? Again, factories in some ukrooligarchy in Russia are available. So again for Petsyundera ambush

[LSA57]

Quote: Black

Again, factories in some ukrooligarchy in Russia there.

and at the very parashkin factory in Lipetsk

[LSA57]

Quote: Lelek

To start ringing about the loss of ruins from Russian aggression to all world authorities with the presentation of fictitious inconceivable accounts (a favorite hobby of the Khokhlyat oligarchs, led by the chocolate bourgeois).

so by now only 50 lard counted
Hi

[Lelek]

Quote: LSA57

so by now only 50 lard counted

Hello, Sergey.
There are no limits to currency appetites. If the Balts were valued somewhere in Russia at about $ 300 billion, then why do not ukram surpass them (the figures are not shame).

[LSA57]

Quote: Lelek

If the Balts were estimated to be somewhere in Russia at about $ 300 billion, then why do not ukram surpass them (the figures are not shame).

so i said bye they themselves probably cut off grandmothers so crazy about this prospect

[Sands Careers General]

A thin world is better than a good war. As a resident of Lugansk, I really do not want to repeat the blockade and bloody hell in the summer of 2014.

[Spartanez300]

I hope that if they are ridged to the fullest.

[insular]

Petrucho did the same. Exactly for the Olympics?

[KVU-NSVD]

All according to the instructions. The start of the last stage of the bloody collapse-section of the Outskirts?

[Anatoly Anatoly]

Not. Rather, right up to the elections in Russia.

[I doubt it]

Quote: Anatoly Anatoly

Not. Rather, right up to the elections in Russia.

The option is perfect in every sense. It is clear that it was not invented by Ukrainians, but still ...
Suppose they start ....
Mr. Pu .. only two ways:
1. Wipe yourself. Naturally, with the obligatory expression of concern, the urgent convocation of the UN Security Council, Peskovsky-Lavrovsky: "... you need to weigh everything and calmly figure it out ...", etc.
New Russia "close" quickly enough.
But then no one and nothing will help him in the elections. He will vote for himself. Russia gets a bunch of problems, all kinds of. From domestic political, to refugees ...
2. Rush to save New Russia, but already seriously. Neither Ukrainians, nor their mentors lost time. One "Wentorg" and volunteer vacationers can not do. Everything will be used, starting with aviation and further on the list.
And Russia also receives a lot of problems, but already as an aggressor .... Guaranteed re-election of Mr. Pu .. for another term, in this case, the West will tolerate. All the same, he will no longer be up to megaprojects. Here you can wind up such sanctions ....

And the most important thing. He has no time to "think". Or pan, or gone.
Although .... Such scripts are written just to "disappear".

[RUSS]

Well, and maybe it’s for the best, to solve the issue once, in the Donbass people are dying every day, maybe when diplomacy is no longer helping, the “guns” will help.

[100502]

I do not understand why our leadership is mumbling, to send all the Khaslostan gaster to their homeland in response to their policy

[Anatoly Anatoly]

And to set against yourself a part of the population of Ukraine loyal to us?

[NEOZ]

why do we need this part of the loyal population? what is the practical meaning of this?
only money will remain in the country (or move to Central Asia )

[LSA57]

Quote: NEOZ

only money will remain in the country

so they pay taxes to the outskirts they don’t take away

[prior]

Traitors must and must be destroyed. Who are Bandera, if not fascists, scum and traitors. They will not rest until they receive theirs. Hitler was not held back by any peace treaties. Ordinary APU draftees always have a chance to surrender.
And prisoners of Russia are always needed, work for them is immeasurable ......

[Nemesis]

The authors of the Minsk agreements must be brought to justice, and Putin who refused to send troops to the Donbass in 2014 should resign ...

[dauria]

Putin, who refused to send troops to the Donbass in 2014, must resign ...

But Kutuzov should be tried for surrendering Moscow to Napoleon. Strategists, your infection ...

[Mestny]

Let's say your wish has come true - Putin resigned.
What is the name of the leader in his place.
It will become clearer to us what you mean by the expression "the existence and development of the country"

[LSA57]

Quote: Nemesis

and Putin who refused to send troops to the Donbass in 2014 should resign ...

that is, there is a person who did not allow himself to be drawn into the war according to the idea of ​​the Phashington regional committee should be judged? well then parashkin nobel peace prize

[Nemesis]

A person who allows you to wipe your feet on Russia and is not able to protect the Russians is time to resign. If the army cannot defend the country and the people, then it eats bread in vain!

[mikh-korsakov]

If the text of the article fully reflects the statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, then from my point of view, he (the Ministry of Foreign Affairs) could not have come up with anything more stupid. The statement describes in detail what Kiev did and even to him, Kiev, make the task easier, explaining to the public what the actions of Kiev will lead to. But on our part, even concerns and unacceptability were not voiced. The question arises: Kiev is striving for war and will declare it, while we cheer, chew snot? All this is strange!

[Mestny]

It's not about the statements.
Well, obviously - the United States is preparing for war with Russia by the wrong hands. Specifically - by the hands of the former Ukraine.
Obviously, they expect just such a scenario that Russia will begin real hostilities against ukrofashists, and then there will be the slightest reason to accuse Russia of aggression, against which, of course, the entire civilized world will come out in a united outburst with no less than a single front. For this, NATO troops at the borders accumulate.
Their task is to start a real war against us, but by non-nuclear means, so that Russia does not have the slightest formal reason to use nuclear weapons - the only thing that can stop the "civilized world."
Of course, at the same time, they will yell from all the irons that the United States is not participating in this war, that it is the Russian troops that are trying to seize the border territories, and the small but proud countries are only defending themselves. Well, the United States and NATO are simply helping their allies with advice and weapons.
In this scenario, really, or rather, before its start, right now there are few options left - for example, to announce from high Russian stands that they are ready to use nuclear weapons in the event of an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine with the support of the United States, or any other countries.
This is the last argument, and perhaps his time has come.

[LSA57]

Quote: Mestny

right now there are few options left - for example, to announce from high Russian stands that they are ready to use nuclear weapons in the event of an escalation of the conflict in Ukraine with the support of the United States, or any other countries.

GDP has recently said this. the truth is a little in other words. therefore, glad and did not go to the breaking of diplomatic relations and did not declare war

[mikh-korsakov]

It seems to me that the problem could at least be muffled as follows. The Minsk agreements have been approved and adopted by the UN Security Council, it is impossible to cancel them “just like that”. Therefore, any subsequent speculation will stumble on our veto. According to the Minsk agreements of the Russian Federation, the guarantor, and if the guarantor, why not publicly declare that we will guarantee, that is, attempts to violate it will be stopped. That is, we will stop any attempt by the APU to cross the demarcation line. If they try, let the forces of the division, inflict our retaliatory missile strike on the control point of the division. To stop a possible answer on their part if it violates the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation, destroying the base from where it was applied, as we did in Syria. I think that at first this will be enough. A howl will rise. Inside the country, howling can be reduced by the threat of an emergency announcement, while outside the country it is happening like that.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

But on our part, even concerns and unacceptability were not voiced. The question arises: Kiev is striving for war and will declare it, while we cheer, chew snot? All this is strange!

What is strange? Why should we run ahead of the engine and act as our opponent expects? One thing you forget is that urkay graters do not go with Kiev, but with the USA who use Kiev. Any action Kuev dictated and registered in the United States. Only here, the retaliatory measures of Russia do not fit into their scenario because of which Washington is losing patience and initiative, stupidly bringing its satellite to death. Now that the law passed by Kuev buried Minsk-2, no one can blame Russia for disrupting the Minsk agreements, but now Russia’s hands are untied in terms of making decisions on recognizing the independence of the LPR and providing them with the necessary assistance - military, economic, informational, diplomatic and so on. .d. And we must admit that with the adoption of this law, for Kuev, the countdown began.

[LSA57]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

, he couldn’t come up with a stupider (the Ministry of Foreign Affairs).

indeed, only half-educated people are sitting there. so it’s necessary to plant couch generals and diplomats from the VO site and the Foreign Ministry will shine with new colors. otherwise they were taught, taught at different academies, but they did not even express concerns. probably they bought, or took a bribe in parliament. I just imagine a diplomat is approaching a plumber and teaches how to clean the toilet properly. where he will send it to me

[mikh-korsakov]

Yes, that's the only way to declare how the Foreign Ministry did it, it is unclear why not even just plumbing. The plumber entrusted the fate of the country to this Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and therefore he wants to know why such statements were made. Soon the plumber will go to vote, and if he doesn’t need such a Foreign Ministry, then suddenly another Foreign Ministry would not have come under the care of, say, Ksenia Anatolyevna. That would not be desirable. Therefore, more thoroughly it is necessary with the people. In fact, the statement explains in detail why Poroshenko needs this law. We have the Foreign Ministry as lawyer Poroshenko,

[LSA57]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

and therefore he wants to know why such statements were made.

Do you need to chew everything? read and think

[mikh-korsakov]

Interestingly, but do you understand why such statements were made? If it’s clear, then enlighten the unreasonable plumber, otherwise he will think about it and screw the tap in the wrong place.

[Simon]

Quote: Black

Well, they are ready for war for a long time! And it’s kind of ready to start to advance, but there’s one snag. The step from fear has shrunk so much that the needle will not crawl through!

Got a lethal weapon from the Americans, now they want to try it! It would be nice for us to recognize these republics and help them in the supply of legally weapons.

[bratchanin3]

If Kiev plans to solve the LDNR problem by military means, then what is LDNR and Russia waiting for? Probably, it is necessary to plan the capture of New Russia ?!

[shura7782]

Quote: bratchanin3

.... We must probably plan to capture the New Russia ?!

The best time for the Americans is the Olympics or the presidential election to push Poroshenko into the attack. So that all our plans have long been ready in several ways.

[Simon]

Quote: Nemesis

The authors of the Minsk agreements must be brought to justice, and Putin who refused to send troops to the Donbass in 2014 should resign ...

Do not talk nonsense! On the contrary, Putin needs to become president again! Only in this case, everything will be resolved in the right direction! In general, Putin has nothing to do with it. "Uncle Sam" is driving Powder from across the ocean!

[shura7782]

Quote: Simon

Quote: Nemesis

The authors of the Minsk agreements must be brought to justice, and Putin who refused to send troops to the Donbass in 2014 should resign ...

Do not talk nonsense! On the contrary, Putin needs to become president again! Only in this case, everything will be resolved in the right direction! In general, Putin has nothing to do with it. "Uncle Sam" is driving Powder from across the ocean!

I agree with the latter, but for this it is not necessary to choose GDP. He is not the only one who ruined everything as it should. What you need, prompt as an adviser. And if it fades like everything abroad, then everything will be clear to him.

[LSA57]

Quote: shura7782

He is not the only one who ruined everything as it should.

who else? dog? Zhirinovsky? javlinsky? Communist billionaire? who has such an experience in international relations? name your candidacy

[shura7782]

.
What did GDP do so that it became experienced and indispensable. It’s like a cunning boss says: “It’s impossible to go on vacation, everything will collapse without me!” . Have you seen a familiar situation for you? Many have seen this. The appearance of an indispensable specialist who, in fact, fears a competitor and tries to get rid of them. GDP is really experienced, but there is one big No. There are a lot of complaints to him. Having such a big and powerful support in the person of EP, generously rewarding their “work” and at my expense, including, I don’t see even the slightest hint of improvement (this is a separate topic known to everyone). I voted for him twice, but when Medvedev appeared and organized a presidential carousel, changed the constitution for GDP, I realized that this was not right. It should not be. They prepare the irreplaceable, and his environment ceases to plow as it should. I'm against it. It’s right when there are several parties, let them fight for the right to be the best, and let the people decide who will work the next term. I am definitely against the first three, but (the communist billionaire) is closer to me. We’ll see before the elections.

[shura7782]

It’s like a cunning boss says: “It’s impossible to go on vacation, everything will collapse without me!” . Have you seen a familiar situation for you? Here many have seen this. The appearance of an indispensable specialist who, in fact, fears a competitor and tries to get rid of them. GDP is really experienced, but there is one big No. There are a lot of complaints to him. Having such a big and powerful support in the person of EP, generously rewarding their “work” and at my expense, including, I don’t see even the slightest hint of improvement (this is a separate topic known to everyone). I voted for him twice, but when Medvedev appeared and organized a presidential carousel, changed the constitution for GDP, I realized that this was not right. It should not be. They prepare the irreplaceable, and his environment ceases to plow as it should. I'm against it.
I am definitely against the first three, but (the communist billionaire) is closer to me. We’ll see before the elections.

[Altona]

Quote: Sentry73

Remember Chechnya. Was there a declaration of war? As far as I remember, it wasn’t.

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And Kiev lists Donbass social benefits and pensions? And the Donbass, by the way, regularly pays taxes to Kiev even under the conditions of the blockade. But in Chechnya it was exactly the opposite. Chechnya didn’t list a dime, but received all payments properly. Therefore, your comparison is far-fetched. And the format of the operation was limited to Chechnya. Incidentally, Chechnya was even granted de jure independence by the Khasavyurt world. Then, when the infection began to spread throughout Kabardino-Balkaria and Dagestan, and the militants of the “independent” Chechnya openly attacked Dagestan, then it was already in full swing, to a victorious end. But what is Kiev doing? All the same gimmicks in the style of "the whole world z nama" and "omega z nama."

[Bare]

Everything is very sad. Sheep bleat and push the goat to the abyss. Puppeteers crave blood, the threads of government are lost and broken. Significant events in the great state of Russia - re-election of the president, the World Cup.
Forgot history lessons, who has always been a winner? The afflicted will receive theirs.

[Overlock]

Quote: Mestny

announce from high Russian stands that they are ready to use nuclear weapons in case of escalation of the conflict in Ukraine with the support of the United States, or any other countries.
This is the last argument, and perhaps his time has come.

[Overlock]

at the expense of the Minsk Agreements, Ukraine has rearmament of its army, motivation is off the charts, poverty in the country gives an unlimited human resource, help from abroad is growing. The United States wants to unleash the war between Ukraine and Russia by any means.
Tasks: 1. open fighting of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, hence the “worried world community”, new sanctions, the “blood gap” between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, which makes impossible rapprochement in the near future.
2. Before the election, the GDP has a problem: to send troops or not. Introduces, the aggressor country, hence the UN, etc. Doesn’t enter, Ukraine finishes LDNR, image losses of GDP before the elections. Putin, with the "concerned public", acts as a traitor to the Russian Donbass.
War is inevitable, as Poroshenko has no way out behind the back of the corruption investigation, Saakashvili, the militants. In case of victory, Poroshenko has a real chance for a second term, in case of defeat, utilization of the most aggressive militants, abandonment of the Donbass, cancellation of the presidential election (martial law), preservation of his face before the West, which gives him a chance to slip away whole and with money (forgive )

[Mestny]

I agree with you on all points.

[Sands Careers General]

Ukraine is not competing with us already. They remember the monstrous losses near Lugansk, in the Southern Cauldron and Debaltseve. So your analytics is so-so, about nothing.

But Ukraine can brew a war game, but there will be no sense in this, they will fall in our steppes.

[Mestny]

It depends on the degree of brainwashing, creating general hysteria, so to speak. The technology of such washing has been greatly improved since the Second World War. And then only the extermination of millions of people and the destruction of cities helped bring Germans back to reality.
I think in this case everything is exactly the same, and only this can help. No matter how bitterly aware.

[Overlock]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Ukraine is not competing with us already. They remember the monstrous losses near Lugansk, in the Southern Cauldron and Debaltseve.

and what follows from this? Do you proceed from the war between the Russian Federation and Ukraine? Can you imagine the price? Imagine the world press and the reaction of the Ukrainians after the caliber strikes in Kiev, Zaporizhia! Presented? Imagine bombing a tank factory in Kharkov! Presented? So this will not happen.
Whatever the potential of Ukraine, it needs war. And the result is not important, although the result will always be, even negative. It is important that in Russia this result will in any case be negative. What the United States and achieve.

[Mestny]

Quote: Overlock

Imagine the world press and the reaction of the Ukrainians after the Calibers strike in Kiev, Zaporizhia! Presented? Imagine bombing a tank factory in Kharkov! Presented? So this will not happen.

What do you propose to do? Because if, on the one hand, Ukraine inevitably starts a war against Russia, and Russia, inevitably, cannot inevitably respond to this military way, then what? Give up What would Ukraine not scratch?
Yes, the situation is such that, and so and so for Russia, it’s a loss — so maybe it’s better to fight all the same than to engage in talking more?

[Overlock]

it's called "tsuzwang"

[Lexus]

Russian Foreign Ministry: Kiev is preparing for a new war

Ukrovermaht does not calm down.

[Overlock]

Quote: Mestny

Ukraine will inevitably start a war against Russia

well no. Ukraine will not start a war against Russia, the caliber is not the same. BUT having begun hostilities in the Donbass, Ukraine wants to get the Russian army on its territory (by all laws, and according to Putin, the territory of the LNR is Ukraine). If this happens, it will be regarded as an invasion of the Russian Federation into Ukraine. Ukraine will not cross the border of the Russian Federation, there is no need.