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Russia's technological breakthrough: LNG deal of the 21st century

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Russia's technological breakthrough: LNG deal of the 21st century



The contract for gas in exchange for pipes, concluded in 1970, allowed the USSR to make a real breakthrough in the gas sector. The Union received equipment, thanks to which it was able to build the most powerful network of gas pipelines and, in fact, throw its gas "stranglehold" on Europe, which its successor Russia still uses. In 2017, the next “contract of the century” was signed, which will allow Russia to quickly go through the technological lag in the field of gas liquefaction technology and thus not only retain its gas levers on Europe, but also get new instruments of influence on world politics.

Gas trade for the USSR, and later Russia, has always been primarily a political issue. Linking European markets to supplying Soviet and then Russian gas allowed the country to solve many complex geopolitical issues and problems. As we already know from stories Over the past decades, taking advantage of its exceptional position and significance for the European hydrocarbon market (as well as the greed of local capitalists), Moscow has always managed to get not only political influence and money, but also technology that is critical for itself for its gas.

Gas "20 Century Deal"

So, in 1970, the USSR entered into a historical agreement with the Federal Republic of Germany. The Germans handed over to the Soviet Union the technologies and equipment for the production of large-diameter pipes (and then their compressors for compressor stations), and that, in turn, was calculated with its German partners with its gas from fields in Western Siberia.



In the 1980 gas pipeline "Urengoy - Pomary - Uzhgorod" was for us a real breakthrough (technological, economic, diplomatic, production). Now in Russia, no one has any question where to buy modern large-diameter pipes and compressors for gas pipelines, and in 1970's this was a huge problem, without solving which there was nothing to count on a breakthrough in the oil and gas sector. In the end, the gas that went in exchange for the equipment received for Urengoy paid off a hundredfold. Yes, those technologies are already in the past, but on their basis in the Union were created reserves, which the country still uses today.

LNG and doubts

After the launch of Vladimir Putin’s first gas liquefaction line in December, 2017, within the framework of the Yamal LNG project in Russia, a discussion was again opened on the topic: why was it spending huge amounts of money on such a useless project for Russia?



The arguments of opponents seemed at first glance quite sound. By the decision of the Russian government, LNG projects were exempted from paying export duties (the first 12 years or until export volumes reached 250 billion cubic meters), and enterprises engaged in this business received significant relief from other types of taxes. In addition, the American company Air Products, which owns three-quarters of this market (its technology and equipment were used in the construction of the plant), is not going to share them with Russia, but sees in it only an opportunity for its further enrichment. Meanwhile, the cost of this equipment is so high that in the end it may happen that the American firms in the Yamal LNG project will get more profit than Russia itself ...

By the way, Russia is also a great risk (more on this below). In many respects only due to the fact that gas liquefaction projects were withdrawn from anti-Russian sanctions both in the US and in the EU countries, and a timely launch of a plant in Yamal occurred.

It would seem that the question is clear, Russia will not get anything good in LNG projects. Well, that did not work at a loss. That is the conclusion made by opponents, ending any story about the project. In the beginning of this “logic” there was only one weak point: all this was confused by the people and the “patriots” of Russia, who had been fed for years by gosdepovskimi grants and had a steady reputation as the “fifth column” of Russia.

More weighty arguments among supporters of the development of Russian LNG projects appeared relatively recently, but they were suicidal.

LNG deal of the XXI century

On the creation and recreation of entire enterprises (at least two of the largest shipbuilding complexes in the Far East and the Murmansk region) and industries, the construction of entire cities, etc., we will talk some other time. Today we will trace the history of the 21 century LNG deal, which has not yet received its worthy appreciation.

So, in 2017, Russia is finishing the construction of its first independent large LNG project in the Arctic. And in May of the same 2017 of the year, NOVATEK has already signed several basic agreements for the launch of the next Arctic LNG 2 project. At first glance, these two events do not seem to be related. Moreover, the choice of the licensee, that is, the company that will supply the main equipment for liquefaction (which is up to a quarter of the plant cost), was somewhat surprised. They for the second Russian Arctic project was the loser of the LNG market - German Linde Group.



Why a loser? The fact is that today the German concern has only one completed project for the construction of an LNG plant. In 2016, he was finally able to hand over his pilot project to a plant in Hammerfest in Norway with a capacity of 4,3 million tons of liquefied gas ... Here, the Germans for the first time used a new revolutionary gas liquefaction technology, where sea water is used as a cooler. And this, especially in polar waters, sharply reduced the energy consumption for liquefaction. The plant was commissioned in the 2007 year, and its early years were followed by failures. Only in the 2014 year, after finishing the equipment and replacing it with improved samples, did the Germans achieve its stable operation. And as soon as the Norwegian Statoil signed the acts of acceptance, Russians appeared at the Linde Group headquarters.

Rather, they appeared much earlier. It may well be that NOVATEK initially intended to use this German technology in the Yamal LNG project, but the problems in Norway forced us to turn to the Americans.

Probably, it is the understanding that Russia has a choice and that the Germans should in no way be allowed into the Russian LNG market, and forced the Americans to be so complacent on the issue of sanctions.

Whatever it was, but the problems of the Germans helped Russia. Norway received a rake on the head, and a new technology was tested at its plant, and Moscow received some dividends. After all, after problems in Norway, no one else turned to Linde Group with orders for LNG plants (except Iran). And it’s completely understandable why Russia managed to get everything from the German manufacturer of unique equipment, including the decision to transfer part of its production to Russia.



And already in June 2016, a protocol of intent was signed between Gazprom, Linde Group, Power Machines and Salavatneftemash, according to which the Germans provided the technology, and Russia - the production site for organizing the joint production of equipment for liquefying and processing natural gas .

Actually, after that it was possible to have no doubt whose technology will become the basis for the next project of the LNG plant in Russia.

At the end of May, 2017 of the year, that is, just a few weeks after the selection of German technology for Arctic LNG 2, Power Machines and Linde Group created a joint venture with the participation of 50 / 50, which will be the main supplier of equipment for all subsequent Russian projects LNG

And already on June 20 of 2017, the European Commission approved this deal, stating that the new joint venture will not create any problems for the European Union ...

The first customer has already become ... The Amur Gas Processing Plant (GPP), which is currently being built by Gazprom as part of another ambitious Russian project, Power of Siberia.

Thus, it is very likely that Linde Group will soon take in Russia approximately the same position as its other strategic German partner, or rather, the supplier of critical technologies, Siemens AG.

As a result of the implementation of only two Arctic LNG projects, Russia will receive an almost complete list of technologies necessary for the implementation of any subsequent LNG project, both in Russia and abroad. I think that 10 will not pass in years, as we will hear about the signing of the first contract, according to which Russian machine builders will build similar plants not in their homeland, but abroad. So it was in the 20 century, and so far I see no reason why this cannot happen in the 21 century.
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  1. seti
    seti 19 January 2018 15: 43
    12
    It was smooth on paper but forgot about the ravines. Of course, God forbid that everything really was as they write. It is really much more profitable for us to be friends with Germans than to be at enmity.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 19 January 2018 16: 32
      +9
      yes forgot about kickbacks ..

      "Kerosene" and a bunch of acadimics what are they doing? naked chemistry.
      only buy technology and we ourselves cannot create them.
      or bare politics?
      1. Shkodnick
        Shkodnick 19 January 2018 19: 45
        28
        They are beads for us, we are lands for them, and for these beads Sechins and Milyars will buy themselves next estates beyond the hillock, and people will eat numbers on paper ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox 19 January 2018 20: 31
          10
          Unfortunately, there is no “breakthrough" .. Politics and big money are there, but technologies .. A breakthrough would be if these technologies in every home weren’t in the sphere of a new gas meter. And for what has radically improved our lives, like computers, transport ... And this is another feeder for the super-rich and their environment. Jobs? I agree. Not only for everyone who wants to work and earn money.
          Quote: Shkodnick
          They are beads for us, we are lands for them, and for these beads Sechins and Milyars will buy themselves next estates beyond the hillock, and people will eat numbers on paper ...
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 19 January 2018 20: 33
          12
          No, not by numbers on paper, but by Putin’s new promises and his lies about how all is well.
        3. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 21 January 2018 11: 48
          +4
          As a matter of fact, Russia will receive only a donut hole! Our valuable resources, stolen from descendants, will be saved, Miller and the company will grab the next jackpot from the operation, and the rest, including the inhabitants of this site, will be sucked for a long time as they were furnished with a nose, pah, which is good for everyone! In the best case, it is not arco and not cold, but a polo arm on your heart is a complete opa.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 26
        +7
        To create your own technologies, you need time and money, as well as the profitability of this whole action.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 19 January 2018 20: 42
          +4
          Despite the quarter century since the collapse of the USSR, the current Russian government, the "flesh of the flesh," continues to live and think in terms of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU. "Scoop" is a system that monstrously inefficiently controls the country and wastes resources, and nowadays, in addition to everything, they are barbarously plundering. It's not about technology ...
          1. shvn
            shvn 19 January 2018 21: 21
            21
            Yeah, effective management of Chubais with the Kudrins. Freaks have already begun to cast their voices in VO, how come elections are coming up, you need to throw shit on a fan.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 20 January 2018 06: 52
              18
              Quote: shvn
              Freaks have already begun to cast their voices in VO, how come elections will come soon

              And you noticed that a lot of "forum users" appeared abruptly with pure epaulettes who are dissatisfied with absolutely everything. And they throw their portion of substance for any reason. You might think that in Russia they don’t know their problems.
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 20 January 2018 13: 34
              10
              For some reason, no one pays attention to the fact that all this happened and continues to happen with the tacit consent of President Putin, who declared himself a kind of arbiter between the elite group leaders, i.e. "solved" in the thieves' understanding. The arbiter is neutral in every sense, but this is in the classical sense. And in Russia, the entire close circle of the arbiter Putin over the years of his reign has become dollar billionaires.
              Good referee, isn't it?
              1. smart ass
                smart ass 20 January 2018 22: 33
                +9
                But for example, after the new year, I arrived at the city hospital, and it was repaired, and in exactly an hour I received free medicines for a total of 6 thousand rubles. I'm going to vote for Putin forever.
                1. Evgeniy667b
                  Evgeniy667b 21 January 2018 11: 56
                  +2
                  How much does a person need, just 6 thousand.? Or maybe a horse is better? And then Vovka 6 gave, 30 ... will take.
                  1. smart ass
                    smart ass 24 January 2018 19: 17
                    0
                    I agree the world is not perfect
              2. _person_
                _person_ 22 January 2018 12: 10
                +5
                Are you here representing the interests of offended clans, which, they believe, have cheated on the "arbitration" of GDP?
                Neutral is how? - when the oligarchs remained the same, and your environment is miserable?
                You bring me at least one successful ruler in history who would not give an opportunity to earn money for his associates. So it was during the time of Ivan the Terrible, and Peter I, and I.V. Stalin - all the rulers at all times relied on their close associates, to whom the attitude was quite loyal, including despite all sorts of excesses - cruelty / self-interest (to varying degrees with most close ones), etc.
                Do you want to offer us some kind of surreal ideal world?
                For some reason, in the United States, the political elite shamelessly rely on the capital of their own oligarchs, such as Soros and others like him, who by the way are earned by no means useful work for society. This is patriotic.
                But Russia has its representatives of the "capitalist elite" who are implementing various types of business projects in our country, directing funds to our economy and thereby drawing resources from other oligarchs that provide net export of capital from Russia - this is bad.
                Whose interests are you protecting?
                And besides demagoguery, under the guise of criticism, what proposals will be?
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 22 January 2018 17: 06
                  +2
                  Yes, you are stupid .., since the first thing that came to your mind was that someone was cheated ... Be an adult and do not stoop to the logic of an eighth-grader.
                  Voters have the right to criticize a candidate / leader elected or elected by them. In addition, going to the polls, he must present his program for the development of the country. Putin goes to the polls for the third time, but not a single one !!! The country did not see the election program, because there were none. You can still write a lot of things into Putin's passive, but enough has already been said.
                  1. _person_
                    _person_ 26 January 2018 18: 00
                    +3
                    Criticism, dear colleague, should be constructive and based on an objective context, the resource capabilities of the system and a particular manager, a margin of stability and freedom of accepting and implementing certain tasks, an accessible personnel base and its information support, ideology, morality, etc.

                    And you, sorry, are not criticism, but demagogy and pouring mud, with the accompanying ridiculous arguments and the transition to the individual. However, this is your own business, than to argue your position in an attempt to maintain mental and psychological "homeostasis". Do not overdo it with auto-training.

                    And why didn’t you please the logic of the eighth graders? We have very talented young people, even regardless of ratings, and can often give a head start in logical reasoning to many here on the forum. And where is the measure by which you measure left and right whose logic corresponds to which class? Why not 7th and 3rd?

                    You probably have a short memory, if you bothered to strain it a little and ponder or at least re-read your own commentary, to which my question was intended regarding “cheated”, you would not “fool around here now.” Although people are different, maybe I’m wrong, and you can "Fool it" here, this is something that someone likes.

                    Well, the GDP will publish its program, what will it be easier for you? Have you read few promises in your life?
                    And if you had worked at least in a search engine to drive in the words “VV Putin’s election program 2012”, you would have seen that the program was not only published, but if you wish, you will find it easily analyzed by various journalists and analytical resources. That is, here you unfairly ran into a person. Let it remain on your conscience.

                    Regarding the current program, read for example here
                    http://www.ng.ru/economics/2017-12-20/1_7140_puti
                    n.html
                    By the way, here is the mention of the unveiling of the 2012 program.

                    Liability - in terminology, this is the source that forms the assets of one or another entity carrying out activities, respectively, neither the first part of your statement regarding the absence of at least one program in the GDP, nor the second are wealthy.

                    As a result, again there is empty demagogy, a divorce on emotions, and no constructive conclusions and suggestions, which you already mentioned in the previous comment.
                2. zyzx
                  zyzx 23 January 2018 07: 16
                  +1
                  Hmm and how much did Beria earn, for example?
                  1. _person_
                    _person_ 27 January 2018 15: 21
                    +2
                    For all my respectful attitude to Lavrenty Pavlovich, it is a disgraceful job to evaluate his prosperity in those or other years when he headed various branches of our economy or was the head of the NKVD. But I do not think that he had a modest salary or security.
                    And what does L.P. Beria, or any other figure is all particular? Why all to fit under one comb? Reread again my comment above, it is not about ALL polls in the immediate circle of rulers abusing their position one way or another. But the phenomenon itself is unfortunately present.

                    What, is it really a secret for someone that many figures in the USSR of the era of I.V. Stalin were never able to overcome the desire for barbarism?
                    Quote:
                    “Of course, I (Chuyev) would say that he (Stalin) did not completely trust him (Voroshilov). Why? Well, of course, we all had such weaknesses - to be virulent. We taught - this cannot be denied. Everything is ready, everything is provided . So he began to vigilant. "(F.I. Chuev," Molotov: half-ruled sovereign ")

                    Yes, and this was committed not only by political figures, but also by representatives of the "Bohemia", including awarded the title of people's artists of the USSR. And for some reason, many of them managed to survive the Leader. AND
                    I.V. Stalin was forced to deal with them because he understood that this would bring the Soviet people more benefits than harm.
                    And what, he had some better alternative at that moment for a different solution ??

                    These costs were, are, and unfortunately will most likely be under any leadership, and be worn, if not an obvious manifestation, then hidden from the people's inquiring mind. But you need to be able to work with everyone that successful managers at all times have demonstrated to all of us.
      3. Ptah
        Ptah 20 January 2018 04: 17
        16
        Purchasing licenses and technologies is a worldwide practice. Russia also sells technology. And to get an economic ally in Germany and in the gas industry is a big plus. After all, the Germans understand well that they receive an undeveloped market. And here it’s not the economy for politics, but politics that adapts to the economy.
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 20 January 2018 10: 55
          0
          I’m interested in something else here. according to the meaning of the article, it turns out that the technology offered by the Linde Group is problematic (at least it was). Norway for a long time did not accept work under the contract. So not everything is so smooth in these technologies and they are not without their difficulties and shortcomings. Do such troubles pass us or did the Germans not cure their sores, well, and we don’t have anyone to conclude such contracts with?
          1. your1970
            your1970 20 January 2018 11: 29
            +5
            Quote: AnpeL
            So not everything is so smooth in these technologies and they are not without their difficulties and shortcomings.
            -T-34 sores, too, was a breakthrough, and what is the result? !!
            Well, we don’t have our own technologies, there’s not and is not expected, therefore we will use strangers, we have nowhere to go in this matter ...
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 19 January 2018 16: 56
      18
      Just a few years ago, all “ANNalitics” foreshadowed the collapse, or at least unprofitability and futility, of all Russian LNG projects. Today we have confidently entered the market, and there are very interesting prospects ahead.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 19 January 2018 20: 09
        16
        Quote: Chertt
        Today we have confidently entered the market, and there are very interesting prospects ahead.

        Quote: 97110
        The state is ...

        And here Lenya Mikhelson drew.
        Now I know the national idea in the Russian Federation
        "Pump out all the gas," take out the money, and strangle the people.
        What are "beautiful" faces
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 19 January 2018 20: 17
          22
          Quote: Stroporez
          Now I know the national idea in the Russian Federation
          "Pump out all the gas," take out the money, and strangle the people.

          So fight it, Yet just for it. No, you tryndit in comments, and the barricades are empty tongue
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 19 January 2018 20: 29
            +4
            Quote: Chertt
            So fight it, Yet just for it. No you're in

            it's good when everything is for wink
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 20 January 2018 06: 04
              +5
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Chertt
              So fight it, Yet just for it. No you're in

              it's good when everything is for wink

              In fact, prove that you are right. And then there will be "all FOR" you. In the meantime, naked, boring and uninteresting "tryndezh". Stuffing cones on other people's empty promises - there were always a few who wanted to.
        2. Petrovich1952
          Petrovich1952 20 January 2018 06: 18
          +5
          What are "beautiful" faces. F-1 grenade on these kind faces.
      2. karish
        karish 20 January 2018 16: 48
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        Just a few years ago, all “ANNalitics” foreshadowed the collapse, or at least unprofitability and futility, of all Russian LNG projects.

        Well, they generally talked about the loss-making of all LNG and shale oil and gas projects.
    3. Megatron
      Megatron 19 January 2018 17: 59
      27
      But for some reason, this is not owned by the state, but by the next oligarch.
      1. 97110
        97110 19 January 2018 19: 31
        +1
        Quote: Megatron
        But for some reason, it’s not the state that owns it,

        The state is ...
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 19: 44
          12
          The contract “Gas in exchange for pipes”, concluded in 1970, allowed the USSR to make a real breakthrough in the gas sector.
          the Soviet Union broke through, and the ban ... the oligarchy ... and the people, can smell their gas ...
          1. 97110
            97110 19 January 2018 19: 53
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            and people can smell their gas ...

            And he issued the right of ownership? Tomorrow, the cunning lawyer’s son will take care of himself, and it will be impossible to sniff his gas for free. Just listen, because - mining technology involves pr ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 19 January 2018 20: 15
              10
              Quote: 97110
              And he issued the right of ownership? Tomorrow, the cunning lawyer’s son will take care of himself, and it will be impossible to sniff his gas for free. Just listen, because - mining technology involves pr ...

              People can safely sniff a donut hole. Vladimir Vladimirovich, our father, king, defend.
              1. 97110
                97110 19 January 2018 21: 13
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                People can sniff a donut hole

                The people live in a state of law and obey the laws that are the same for the whole people. The property is inviolable if the necessary court decision has not yet been received. If there is such a solution to the smell in the donut hole, no one can smell it otherwise than on the terms of an agreement with the owner. It is confusing, of course, but I know for sure that in a state of law, everyone can be taken away from any of his rights.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 19 January 2018 23: 44
                  13
                  Quote: 97110
                  The people live in a state of law

                  Did you have a dream?
                  1. Romulus
                    Romulus 20 January 2018 00: 00
                    11
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Quote: 97110
                    The people live in a state of law

                    Did you have a dream?

                    It was he who somewhere found an old training manual, recently our authorities have been silent about the rule of law, so that people would not make people laugh (annoy).
                    1. 97110
                      97110 20 January 2018 11: 17
                      +1
                      Quote: Romulus
                      He found somewhere an old training manual

                      For the Dutch, I explain separately: people have such fun for the brain as sarcasm. Smoke further that you have there according to the training manual. If you still find it interesting to continue the dispute, see my answer to Stroporez.
                  2. 97110
                    97110 20 January 2018 11: 11
                    +4
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Did you have a dream?

                    No, it’s you who got lost when referring to the people of the Russian Federation people who, by default, have the right to ignore the laws of the Russian Federation. Do not look at the box? And they showed an unequal duel between the power block of the Russian Federation and Messrs. Shamsuarov, Baghdasaryan and other gelendovods, on the basis of watching TV shows of which any member of the people of the Russian Federation should draw a simple conclusion about the right of said persons to ignore the laws of the Russian Federation. I made yet another simple conclusion that a member of the people of the Russian Federation must steadfastly and courageously, not sparing their very lives, defend the right of non-members of the people of the Russian Federation not to comply with the laws of the Russian Federation.
              2. Orionvit
                Orionvit 20 January 2018 07: 00
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                Vladimir Vladimirovich, our father, our king, defend.

                What's so evil? Apparently, some of them with his saber, he revealed something to himself, and is angry for any reason.
                People can sniff a donut hole
                Well then tell people please, where in the world differently? Maybe somewhere there is an earthly paradise where people live without worries and the state takes care of all the same?
                1. onix757
                  onix757 20 January 2018 11: 10
                  +8
                  Well then tell people please, where in the world differently?

                  this paradise was called the USSR, where people were protected from such elective "gifts" as the mythical cancellation of tax debt and other nischaks in the form of penny handouts from feudal lords. We do not live in ancient Israel on a Sabbath year, although ...
                  And here at the copper factory they promised to make one government official from Russia .... not, not a second France, but a Norwegian paradise. I didn’t name the terms, but this is not important, the main process)
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 20 January 2018 11: 32
                    0
                    Quote: onix757
                    this paradise was called the USSR, where people were protected from such elective "gifts"
                    - That's right - people in the USSR were seduced by the buffet with beer and oranges in the elections ...
                    Do not know for an hour - why?
                    1. onix757
                      onix757 20 January 2018 11: 39
                      +3
                      In the USSR, social protection was so strong that before the election no candidate for the post of general secretary had any sense in promising something from which bonnets are now tossing.
                      - That's right - people in the USSR were seduced by the buffet with beer and oranges in the elections ...
                      Do not know for an hour - why?

                      I know. They created a festive atmosphere and not only for the elections. There is nothing wrong with that.
                  2. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 20 January 2018 13: 22
                    0
                    Quote: onix757
                    this paradise was called the USSR

                    Unfortunately, this is already in the past. Guess ka three times, to whom did this paradise interfere?
                  3. karish
                    karish 20 January 2018 16: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: onix757
                    this paradise was called the USSR, where people were protected from such elective "gifts" as the mythical cancellation of tax debt

                    And that in the USSR, someone wrote off debts to citizens?
                    Give an example, for example, on loans (in the USSR, things were also taken on credit and the same interest on the loan existed)
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 20 January 2018 16: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: karish
                      Give an example, for example, on loans (in the USSR, things were also taken on credit and the same interest on the loan existed)

                      There, EMNIP, it was easier: accounting automatically deducted payments on loans from salaries, and transferred the money to the bank.
                      Quote: karish
                      And that in the USSR, someone wrote off debts to citizens?

                      Not once and never. And this, by the way, is correct - no one forces these loans with a knife at the throat ... to take.
                      1. karish
                        karish 20 January 2018 17: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        There, EMNIP, it was easier: accounting automatically deducted payments on loans from salaries, and transferred the money to the bank.

                        for sure, and in the event of dismissal, she took off all the debt at once, and if she didn’t have enough, she could not quit.
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Not once and never. And this, by the way, is correct - no one forces these loans with a knife at the throat ... to take.

                        here I am about that.
                    2. onix757
                      onix757 20 January 2018 17: 05
                      +4
                      [/ quote] And that in the USSR, someone wrote off debts to citizens? [/ quote]
                      There was no need. The percentage was ridiculous and did not affect the quality of life of citizens. On top of that, the enterprises always had interest-free mutual assistance cash desks. Therefore, then it was impossible to imagine such rhetoric in the election year.
                      1. onix757
                        onix757 20 January 2018 17: 11
                        +1
                        Writing off tax debt (although it is very tricky writing off) is still a sign of a usurious banking system that is under the care of our guarantor.
                      2. karish
                        karish 20 January 2018 17: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: onix757
                        There was no need. The percentage was ridiculous and did not affect the quality of life of citizens

                        And why was he at all? In a country of victorious socialism.
                        Quote: onix757
                        On top of that, enterprises always had interest-free mutual assistance cash desks.

                        Well, enlighten me, what is a mutual assistance fund? wink
                        And why were they interest-free.
                  4. 97110
                    97110 20 January 2018 17: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: onix757
                    to make from the Russian Federation .... not, not a second France, but a Norwegian paradise.

                    France make a horse. Our future may also be in Norway without oil and gas. You can, after all, without committing labor exploits, wait for the decrease in the reporting base of the ideal country.
                  5. Valery Saitov
                    Valery Saitov 22 January 2018 06: 16
                    0
                    If in 1965 in the total amount of debt: the population of the USSR on consumer credit, the share of borrowers in housing loans was 25,6%, then in 1970 it was already 53%, and in 1981 - 53,8%. The second place in terms of the volume of the loan is occupied by retail. So, in 1975 the debt on the loan for installment payments amounted to 2,009 billion rubles, exceeding the same indicator in 1970 by 68,7%.
                    Translated today, about 200 billion rubles and no one has repaid or written off. And many lived in debt like silk.
      2. Maksus
        Maksus 19 January 2018 19: 43
        0
        I always thought that we should be friends with the Germans, and not fight. Maybe it's time to unite and fuck together, well, in Poland, for example. Oh, and already did ...
        1. trump
          trump 19 January 2018 22: 30
          +1
          The Germans for a long time persuaded the Poles to go to war with them against the USSR before 1939, Goering came to Poland many times, but the Poles refused then and received the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact, it is not known who the Germans will do
          forward sentence of friendship against someone, if it comes to that ... for the USSR, Russians and Belarusians in the first place, such friendship with the Germans against the Poles ended very sadly, and the Germans were not in profit,
          to put it mildly
          1. zyzx
            zyzx 23 January 2018 07: 29
            0
            On the contrary, the Poles persuaded the Germans.
        2. ando_bor
          ando_bor 20 January 2018 10: 02
          +1
          For modern Germans, slave nature is already at the genetic level - several generations in occupation and repentance have grown. Although the very understanding of the situation is encouraging, they themselves painted a picture;
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 20 January 2018 06: 47
      +2
      Quote: seti
      It is really much more profitable for us to be friends with Germans than to be at enmity.

      This is you tell the Germans.
    5. dSK
      dSK 20 January 2018 12: 12
      +1
      Hello Matvey
      Quote: seti
      it is more profitable to be friends than to quarrel

      Who would doubt, gentlemen of the Anglo - Saxon Masons. Sakhalin1,2 - 50 to 50%, after 20 years Sabeta 50 to 50%. Academic academics, who are two more than in the USSR, write dissertations and elect new ones, Skolkovo iPhone, Chubais nano saws. The technologies of Korolev, Kuchatov, Keldysh from “sharashka” still feed 100% of Russia.
    6. zenion
      zenion 23 January 2018 19: 17
      0
      Everything worked out, as Stalin warned - Russia has become a raw materials appendage of the West.
    7. Maz
      Maz 25 January 2018 10: 46
      0
      Do you think we Mistral just so weave Egypt to France? No, in the same way, all the technologies at first received from the Franks for the construction of large ships, and there are a lot of things. Now we will build on their technology. Let China and the capitalists work for us.
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 19 January 2018 15: 49
    24
    Yes, which of the inhabitants of Russia is against its technological breakthrough. We have had breakthroughs and construction projects before (for example, the Ural aluminum plants, etc. ...), and to whom do they now belong? That's right, Deripaska, Abramovich, etc. That's what our residents are against.
    1. ved_med12
      ved_med12 19 January 2018 16: 08
      17
      Yes, let it (the factory) belong, even to the hell with a bald ...
      The main thing is that he works for the GOOD OF RUSSIA !!!!
      That is, jobs with a decent salary for workers, starting with management and ending with cleaners ... Taxes to OUR treasury! Recycling our resources domestically. And finally, the "fouling" of technology (not addiction in some way)
      I see so ...
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 19 January 2018 16: 30
        +8
        Damn bald, these gentlemen are out of place. am
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 19 January 2018 20: 15
          +5
          Quote: Terenin
          Damn bald, these gentlemen are out of place.

          Of course not, he is running. belay
      2. groks
        groks 19 January 2018 17: 02
        10
        ved_med12
        Recently there was an article about this "breakthrough". A lot of money has been invested from the treasury, the profit goes to a completely different place. Jobs will end with the exhaustion of the field.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 30
          +4
          "A lot of money has been invested from the treasury, the profit goes to a completely different place." Sales taxes go to the state, and profits to co-investors. "Jobs will end with the exhaustion of the field." - After 300 - 500 years.
      3. 97110
        97110 19 January 2018 19: 43
        +2
        Quote: ved_med12
        jobs with decent Wages for workers, starting with management and ending with cleaners.

        Keep yourself in control. A decent salary under capitalism only where, for some reason, the shortage of personnel must be overcome. And always tends to 20 sput. per month. Because the "owners" know that a truly "decent" salary is 10 ty. On PCM, salaries fell 3 times - closer to 20 ty. Workers bay, but before the unions have not yet ripened. Hoping for the President and the second half-tandem, probably. The main defender of the workers, Mr. Zyuganov, shoves Mr. Grudinin into power, who will certainly make his business unprofitable, but pay ... Or is it he, like Don Pedro, who will save only for competitors, he will get a free slave from the presidency. force?
        1. Cube123
          Cube123 20 January 2018 06: 30
          +3
          Quote: 97110
          Quote: ved_med12
          jobs with decent Wages for workers, starting with management and ending with cleaners.

          Keep yourself in control. A decent salary under capitalism only where, for some reason, the shortage of personnel must be overcome. And always tends to 20 sput. per month. Because the "owners" know that a truly "decent" salary is 10 ty. On PCM, salaries fell 3 times - closer to 20 ty.

          Try it for yourself honestly answer the question: "Why pay 20 ty., if there are willing to work for 10?" When you come to the store, do you yourself buy goods for 20 tyr., If nearby lies absolutely the same for 10?
          1. 97110
            97110 20 January 2018 12: 12
            +2
            Quote: Cube123
            Try yourself honestly answer the question:

            I will honestly answer (which is not difficult for me to follow in earlier comments) that you are right and ask the right question. This is the position of the owner, the buyer of labor - to buy cheaper. But the position of the seller is also fair - to sell more expensive. Moreover, the whole tandem was seen in discussions about “fair” pay. That is, there is a question. If buyers, taking advantage of their clear advantages in the matter, continue to crush sellers, they will sooner or later respond, with all proletarian hatred they will answer. Who is able to resolve the issue without January 9 and October 25? I’m afraid that undeterred children who have come to power in business in excess of those who have bitten “owners” will be brought to defeat by the Russian Guard ...
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 20 January 2018 14: 43
              +3
              Quote: 97110
              This is the position of the owner, the buyer of labor - to buy cheaper. But the position of the seller is also fair - to sell more expensive.

              Under capitalism, you can sell yourself at a higher price in only one way. Raise your own qualifications, which raises you to a higher niche, where competition is lower and a higher price can be announced. And those whom you speak about, for the most part behave like spoiled children. "Everyone owes me a living. And I myself will not lift a finger to make my life better." Of course, waking up a couple of days on the barricades is much easier than building the foundation of one’s own life over the course of many years with everyday labor. The slogan "who was nobody will become everything" is very attractive. But, my life experience suggests that "who was nobody" will remain nobody in any system, if the person himself does not want to hit a finger with his finger.
              1. 97110
                97110 20 January 2018 17: 31
                +2
                Quote: Cube123
                Under capitalism, you can sell yourself at a higher price in only one way.

                Your position is pleasant to me. Unfortunately, this is only for a really very valuable workforce. Which also professional protection does not hurt. But I agree with the position of equalizing the positions of the seller and buyer of labor. The buyer now has advantages in development, especially personal. The bourgeois quickly learned that he was ALL allowed with his daddy’s money. You can not pay a salary (I’m ready to listen to attentive prosecutors who defend working interests with their breasts), you can arbitrarily reduce the size of the salary - employees must protect their interests themselves by joining a union. Now they are crushed one by one. Wandering around the barricades is stupid. They will crush quickly and professionally. And to learn how to use the legislation, to achieve its improvement is the task of a political party, which should come to the place of a political bankrupt - the Communist Party. It is not tomorrow’s business, maybe it’s generally an anti-Leninist position, therefore it’s wrong. I still can’t wait for the result. I am sure of one thing - a rein must be put on the capitalists. In the best traditions of Russian until 1917 and the Western labor movement.
          2. vlad007
            vlad007 20 January 2018 15: 24
            0
            Quote: Cube123
            "Why pay 20 tyr., If there are willing to work for 10?" When you come to the store, do you yourself buy goods for 20 sp., If there is absolutely the same one next to 10?

            The comparison is not correct. The goods and the employee are in different categories - the employee can work well (for example, stay at work after 18-00 and not demand payment for it) or not very good (delay and demand payment) or bad (fly out of work in 18-00). These are the simplest examples so as not to write for a long time.
            1. Cube123
              Cube123 20 January 2018 15: 54
              +3
              Quote: vlad007
              Quote: Cube123
              "Why pay 20 tyr., If there are willing to work for 10?" When you come to the store, do you yourself buy goods for 20 sp., If there is absolutely the same one next to 10?

              The comparison is not correct. The goods and the employee are in different categories - the employee can work well (for example, stay at work after 18-00 and not demand payment for it) or not very good (delay and demand payment) or bad (fly out of work in 18-00). These are the simplest examples so as not to write for a long time.

              The comparison is just correct. And your example is incorrect. Demand that the employee be delayed after work and not offer payment for this, at least immorally. And on the part of the employee, agreeing to this is stupid. There must be an employment contract in which such a situation should be spelled out. And both sides are required to comply with it.
              1. vlad007
                vlad007 20 January 2018 16: 31
                0
                Quote: Cube123
                Demand that the employee be delayed after work and not offer payment for this, at least immorally.


                Thank you for enlightening. Morality and decency are nowadays forgotten concepts. By the way, nobody canceled the antagonistic contradictions between labor and capital. Put a plus sign for the right words.
              2. karish
                karish 20 January 2018 16: 53
                0
                Quote: Cube123
                Demand that the employee be delayed after work and not offer payment for this, at least immorally

                It’s actually illegal
                Quote: Cube123
                And on the part of the employee, agreeing to this is stupid.

                that's for sure
                Quote: Cube123
                . There must be an employment contract in which such a situation should be spelled out. And both sides are required to comply with it.

                The Labor Code is called.
                1. vlad007
                  vlad007 20 January 2018 17: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: karish
                  The Labor Code is called.


                  How they work in Israel, I know well that I have a classmate at the institute there since 1993, comes regularly, talks about strikes and about the 12 hour work day and the 6 day work week, etc. Moreover, he works in a cool company - the European branch of one very famous company.
                  1. vlad007
                    vlad007 20 January 2018 17: 23
                    0
                    Quote: vlad007
                    The Labor Code is called.

                    I sometimes feel that you, the Israelis, think that we live on the moon and have no idea what is being done.
                  2. karish
                    karish 20 January 2018 17: 26
                    0
                    Quote: vlad007
                    talks about strikes

                    Strikes are okay, so workers fight for their rights
                    Quote: vlad007
                    and about a 12-hour worker

                    It is likely 4 hours of overtime - I have almost every day like that.
                    Quote: vlad007
                    about a 6-day work week

                    Let's get things done without fairy tales, in Israel, a 41-hour work week - everything that’s over is paid as overtime. Overtime is your right, you can not work, although many work --- profitably.
                    : This one-day work week does not exist a priori unless you work in continuous production.
                    Quote: vlad007
                    Moreover, he works in a cool company - the European branch of one very famous company

                    Call for fun.
                    1. vlad007
                      vlad007 20 January 2018 17: 34
                      0
                      Quote: karish
                      Let’s get rid of fairy tales, in Israel 41 an hour-long workweek - everything that’s over is paid as overtime

                      Tales, a break only on Shabbat, I hope to explain what Shabbat is not necessary - Sunday is a WORKING DAY, tk. Shabbat from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.
                      1. karish
                        karish 20 January 2018 17: 37
                        0
                        Quote: vlad007
                        I hope to explain what Shabbat is not necessary

                        200% from the first hour of work + day off.
                        Quote: vlad007
                        Sunday WORKING DAY

                        Rishon is a working day.
                        Sunday is with you.
                2. 97110
                  97110 20 January 2018 17: 45
                  +2
                  Quote: karish
                  The Labor Code is called.

                  The Labor Code is a book on which it is convenient to put a kettle. An employment contract is a piece of paper in a personal file. It’s necessary - they have issued it, but if there is no mechanism that will force the parties to implement them, then ... About today's trade unions, the prosecutor’s office and the labor inspectorate, I beg you ... Well, a person with a cool salary of 50 ty can hire a qualified lawyer and act through court in the event of a dispute with the employer? For compliance with the Labor Code and the employment contract? The employer’s words “let him try, I just have nothing for lawyers to do” sober up many.
                  1. vlad007
                    vlad007 20 January 2018 17: 52
                    0
                    Quote: 97110
                    The Labor Code is a book on which it is convenient to put a kettle.

                    + 100500 (plus “stopitsot” - this is youth so now it shows its enthusiasm on the net)!
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 20 January 2018 16: 00
              +4
              Quote: vlad007
              the employee can work well (for example, to stay at work after 18-00 and not demand payment for it) or not very well (to delay and demand payment) or poorly (to fly out of work at 18-00)

              Mdja ...
              And the fact that the employee can work well, and at the same time fit perfectly into a standard working day, did not occur to you?
              Extremely in vain if it didn’t come negative
              Quote: vlad007
              These are the simplest examples so as not to write long

              But don’t ... long. You understand yes
              1. vlad007
                vlad007 20 January 2018 16: 44
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                And the fact that the employee can work well, and at the same time fit perfectly into a standard working day, did not occur to you?

                It cannot be done at a construction site - a car with concrete did not come to 15-00, but to 18-00 (traffic jams in the city), etc.! You are a theoretician, read the comments and immediately made conclusions!
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 20 January 2018 16: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: vlad007
                  It can’t be done at a construction site - a car with concrete arrived not at 15-00, but at 18-00

                  I also occasionally experience similar situations at work.
                  If it’s really necessary, I’ll come back at night and stay until victory, until I solve the problem.
                  But - only in one case - if it really necessary.
                  Recycling every day, showing pure zeal is not mine, I specifically stipulated this when applying for a job.
                  Quote: vlad007
                  You are a theoretician, read the comment and immediately made conclusions!

                  No ... yelling, I hear well.
                  I am not a theorist, I am quite an acting labor force. Costly yes
                  1. karish
                    karish 20 January 2018 16: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    I also occasionally experience similar situations at work.
                    If it’s really necessary, I’ll come back at night and stay until victory, until I solve the problem.
                    .

                    Of course, like everyone else at work, unforeseen situations happen.
                    But no one canceled the payment.
                    The first 2 hours * over 8 hours) --125%
                    subsequent - 150%
                    Crossed 00.00 --- 200% + day off
                    I went to work after 22.00 - 200% from the first hour + day of vacation.

                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    But - only in one case - if it is really necessary.

                    what does it matter - really necessary or not? Pay - it means at least I need laughing
                  2. vlad007
                    vlad007 20 January 2018 17: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Recycling every day, showing pure zeal is not mine, I specifically stipulated this when applying for a job.

                    And then "show zeal"? The point is that there are situations that have no options. How to leave when the car with concrete arrived or something else happened, for example, the power went out. Costly how much? Maybe I'm expensive too, but I don’t know about it?
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 20 January 2018 17: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: vlad007
                      And then "show zeal"? The point is that, that there are situations that have no options

                      You have already explained, and I understand you. At first I understood ... wrong, because (IMHO) they explained poorly.
                      Quote: vlad007
                      Costly how much?

                      From hundreds on hands. White yes
                      Quote: vlad007
                      Maybe I'm expensive too, but I don’t know about it?

                      Practice is the criterion of truth ... who said, do not remind? wink
                      1. Valery Saitov
                        Valery Saitov 22 January 2018 06: 20
                        0
                        According to Marx, the question of the truth of knowledge is a matter of practice. In practice, a person is convinced of the falsity or truth of his judgments. From practice, he learns what is less and more important. In theory, the more significant is put first, the logic of scientific consideration is implemented in the transition from general to particular, from fundamental to less fundamental. Practice forces one to abandon errors and leads forward to the truth. It is difficult to object to these statements of Marx.
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 19: 46
        +4
        Quote: ved_med12
        Yes, let it (the factory) belong, even to the hell with a bald ...
        The main thing is that he works for the GOOD OF RUSSIA !!!!

        belongs...
        does not work...
        1. karish
          karish 20 January 2018 16: 55
          +1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: ved_med12
          Yes, let it (the factory) belong, even to the hell with a bald ...
          The main thing is that he works for the GOOD OF RUSSIA !!!!

          belongs...
          does not work...

          Hi Andrew.
          Do workers get paid? Does the factory pay taxes?
          Then everything is for the good of Russia.
      5. KERMET
        KERMET 19 January 2018 22: 25
        +2
        It doesn’t smell like processing, it liquefies a natural resource for sale abroad
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 January 2018 10: 44
          0
          Resources must be used - how else? Sit on them and cry?
          1. KERMET
            KERMET 21 January 2018 06: 20
            0
            Resources can be used to produce the final high-tech product from it, or you can sell for glass beads like African savages did.
      6. Cube123
        Cube123 20 January 2018 06: 21
        +2
        Quote: ved_med12
        Yes, let it (the factory) belong, even to the hell with a bald ...
        The main thing is that he works for the GOOD OF RUSSIA !!!!
        That is, jobs with a decent salary for workers, starting with management and ending with cleaners ... Taxes to OUR treasury! Recycling our resources domestically. And finally, the "fouling" of technology (not addiction in some way)
        I see so ...

        Plus loading of own manufactures. Metallurgy, mechanical engineering, chemistry, transport ... With their jobs ...
  3. Horst78
    Horst78 19 January 2018 16: 27
    +2
    Cool, really cool good good good
  4. groks
    groks 19 January 2018 16: 59
    11
    As usual - agitation. and again underpaid. From the author’s text, everything shows that for the hydrocarbons of the USSR received the missing product and technology (!) Of its production. Having received money in the budget of the country. And now the budget receives damage from the invested funds, and a certain Michelson and the Chinese receive profit. Here are the Chinese well done.
    1. Yurasumy
      19 January 2018 17: 28
      11
      There are no words. It seems that you are commenting on another article. As I understand it. whatever you write, you will answer that everything is bad. Why, for example, why the hell did you decide that money will not go to the budget ???? Do you read the theory of political economy?
      1. bk316
        bk316 19 January 2018 17: 46
        +6
        It seems that you are commenting on another article.

        Chukchi is not a reader Chukchi writer ...
      2. groks
        groks 19 January 2018 18: 54
        +8
        From the fright that a certain shareholder turned out to be a certain Mikhelson.
        Here is https://topwar.ru/132324-gazovaya-pobeda-rossii.h
        tml # comment-id-7692394
        There also Total was noted. So this is clearly to the benefit of our country.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 19 January 2018 19: 42
          +1
          Excuse me, but do you think that only a shareholder can receive money? Have you heard about taxes? but about production permits?
          1. groks
            groks 19 January 2018 20: 15
            +5
            If you want, you can go to ASH and see everything in detail on this “breakthrough”. And about permission and everything else. There permission is such that most likely in 5-10 years the crap desert will remain.
            It is curious that paid (since it’s probably impossible to write such nonsense) EdRa propagandists poke their nose into this scam almost daily. And at least every day there is another propagandist who is violently happy with a drink of hundreds of billions.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 34
              +1
              "There’s a permit there that most likely in 5-10 years the crap desert will remain." Liquefied gas - pollute?
            2. Morozyaka
              Morozyaka 19 January 2018 21: 04
              +7
              You at least know a little bit about gas production, and, most importantly, processing (one of the options is liquefaction) ... They will have a desert, and even a crap ... because of that permission is that. It would be possible to laugh, but the screamers in whom everything is bad are very annoying. There are no factories - everything is bad, the plant is built - also bad: it belongs to the wrong thing and the nature is crap, you know ... But do you need to be good? Build for the state. Count the solar panels and plant potatoes?
              Yes, and read carefully who and how much they invested there, and then you can talk about government money wasted.
              Sorry - it's stuck.
              1. groks
                groks 21 January 2018 11: 41
                0
                You know a little bit

                Those. Does this all happen without pumps and compressors? Without coolant? Holy spirit? It should also be noted (especially for those who know it) that up to 10% of the energy contained in LNG goes to liquefaction. Which is also not taken from prayers.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 19: 49
        +6
        Quote: yurasumy
        Do you read the theory of political economy?

        not ... we would practice! as some have their pockets bursting and even children cannot poke their dad's money over the hill, while others have receipts for the entire amount of their pension or salary ... we seem to live in one country, and there is no slavery .. and they are equal ... "constitution" ... and then what ...?
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 January 2018 11: 06
          +1
          I also do not have millions, only scientific papers. I tried myself in business - not mine. So who can blame but yourself?
          People are different from birth. But everyone has the opportunity to learn (in different forms). So, you need to learn and work, and not to whine and envy. I’ve done this all my life. I manage without a yacht and do not grieve.
          I drank in the old days of egalitarianism - no longer needed, it is better for everyone according to work. And who is not capable - get a reward and have the right only to thank. You will grumble - they will no longer serve.
          The article is a guide to action for those who are ABLE. Unsuccessful - ulcerate ....
          1. groks
            groks 21 January 2018 11: 47
            0
            Unsuccessful - ulcerate ....

            What are not capable? The stalls are not able to open? Well, you probably rejoice when the Gauges get somewhere there? So, those who make them have no stalls, nor any other income other than wages. So come on, say that you don’t need calibers, that this is a remnant of egalitarianism. And go to sell turban for igilovtsev - the goods will be very much in demand, if you dig up the defense industry.
      4. flicker
        flicker 19 January 2018 22: 45
        +3
        ... everything is bad. Why, for example, why the hell did you decide that money will not go to the budget ???

        Well, I want (or maybe just profitable) to pour a bucket of slop on the country - and then suddenly, they built an enterprise for LNG, and even the money goes to the budget. What is it? And it’s a bummer.
        1. groks
          groks 21 January 2018 11: 51
          0
          So far, money has been spent from the budget. Profit if any budget gets is the budget of China.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 32
      +4
      “And now the budget is getting damaged” Yes, yes, yes - several trillion rubles from the sale of gas in the form of taxes.
      1. groks
        groks 21 January 2018 12: 05
        +1
        "The total cost of the project is estimated at $ 27 billion."
        "The debt of the project to banks as of June 30, 2017 amounted to the equivalent of approximately $ 9 billion."
        "about 2,4 billion dollars was invested directly by the Russian state, acquiring bonds of Yamal LNG OJSC at the expense of the National Welfare Fund"
        “Yamal LNG is completely exempt from industry taxation, that is, from mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax) and export duties for the first 12 years after the first shipment — that is, until 2030”
        "Thus, the state subsidy for the implementation of this project will be about 1 trillion rubles, that is, approximately 17 billion dollars at today's rate."

        Those. taxes may appear from 2030. In the meantime, we will pay extra to Total and Michelson for our gas.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 12: 23
          +3
          . exempt from industry taxationThat is, from mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax) and export duties... until 2030

          Quote: groks
          Those. taxes may appear from 2030. In the meantime, we will pay extra to Total and Michelson for our gas

          groksYou ... lovely love
          I explain: taxes for profit, for property, for payroll and other, and other - no one canceled. So that
          Quote: groks
          pay extra to Total and Michelson ...

          ... you definitely won't have to stop
          PS: since you are already trolling, study the subject first, at least minimally yes
          1. groks
            groks 21 January 2018 13: 06
            0
            Most precious - what profit? Where from? And the rest is such a zilch that no one will feel it against the backdrop of a trillion. Well, it’s not going to be a trillion, but 999 billion from our pocket. Feel better?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 13: 12
              +4
              Trollism. Tie (s) laughing
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 21 January 2018 17: 30
              0
              Of course, nothing will come out of your pocket, it is empty - both financial and mental.
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 19 January 2018 18: 34
    +4
    Quote from the article: “So, in 2017, Russia is completing the construction of its first independent large LNG project in the Arctic.”
    2017 completed the construction of the first stage of Yamal-LNG with a capacity of 5,5 million tons, and in total there will be 3 lines with a capacity of 16,5 million tons. Recently, they wrote about the fourth stage, which will be the domestic technology of gas liquefaction.
    Quote from the article: "The first customer of the new enterprise has already become ... Amur Gas Processing Plant (GPP), which is now under construction by Gazprom in the framework of another ambitious Russian project - Power of Siberia."
    I want to clarify that the Amur Gas Processing Plant will chemically process gas and will be able to separate HELIUM from it in volumes that will put Russia in second place (after Qatar !!!!) for helium production in the World.
    Our misfortune is that we sell hydrocarbon raw materials without processing and serious shifts have been outlined in this direction!
    Dear Yuri, You are a regular author of VO, less foam, more specific information.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 20 January 2018 11: 10
      0
      There will be prospects for airships on helium .....
  6. turbris
    turbris 19 January 2018 19: 12
    +4
    Quote: Megatron
    But for some reason, this is not owned by the state, but by the next oligarch.

    Yes, because we have a market economy and the state budget is designed to meet the needs of defense, health and education, social programs, there is no money for LNG projects - have you really not understood it yet?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 19: 55
      +7
      Quote: turbris
      Yes, because we have a market economy and the state budget is designed to meet the needs of defense, health and education, social programs, there is no money for LNG projects - have you really not understood it yet?
      laughing no ... not "market" and "not economy" ... trade in resources "as a people's wealth" is not an economy. and when some drift from fat on asphalt, while others break in three jobs in order to survive, these are not “social programs”. and when there is no money for the operation, this is not “healthcare” and when teachers are killed by students, not “education” ... have you really understood ANYTHING so far ???
      1. turbris
        turbris 19 January 2018 20: 02
        +1
        Andrei Yurievich - I understand your mood, therefore there is no desire to discuss with you, continue to live in the USSR, because you will not be able to understand what is happening in modern Russia with all the pros and cons, DO NOT UNDERSTAND!
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 20 January 2018 11: 15
        0
        You have an incomprehensible vinaigrette in your mind - do you get colic? Make at least some YOUR contribution to the arrangement of society! Well, at least get a guard at school ...
      3. your1970
        your1970 20 January 2018 11: 39
        0
        Andrey Yuryevich
        just turn on "Office Romance" (Ryazanovsky) and see first 3 minutes carefully...
        You’ll be very surprised, there are about the overcrowding of Moscow by visitors (“Come in large numbers”) and about a small salary, and about problems in life (lack of money for shoes for a child) and so on and so forth ..

        IT WAS NOT EASIER IN THE USSR AND NOT EASIER THAN NOW !!!
    2. groks
      groks 19 January 2018 20: 18
      +1
      there is no money for LNG projects

      Ale. That's just in this project was swollen unmeasured budget money. A gift to Mikhelson.
  7. turbris
    turbris 19 January 2018 19: 15
    +1
    Quote: groks
    Recently there was an article about this "breakthrough".

    I hope you did not write this article? Why do you think that your article can be trusted, but this one cannot?
    1. groks
      groks 19 January 2018 20: 29
      +1
      I gave the link. You can read. I have a profile - everything is available there. How many written articles are there?
      I also did not write an article on ASh. And did not write anywhere. To verify this, just READ these articles. Well, how much water can you already crush in a mortar? Maybe you should at least take a look at these same articles? All articles are written by EdRosovsky unpaid propagandists and they all praise this "breakthrough." So I have an alibi.
  8. sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 19 January 2018 19: 16
    +8
    The next breakthrough is certainly not for children and exciting, but why, however, then, why is such a small pension in the country of continuous breakthroughs? Well, again, for gas and gas prices to the native population, the same questions arise? After all, if I am not mistaken, the bowels belong to the people, as the Edro United Party told us?
    1. boboss
      boboss 19 January 2018 19: 52
      0
      a breakthrough must be patched .... something)
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 20: 00
      +4
      Quote: sapporo1959
      The next breakthrough is certainly not for children and excites, but why, however, then such a small pension in the country of continuous breakthroughs

      because deputies and officials first of all need to be fed, these are "orphans" .. "12 chairs" (C).
      Quote: sapporo1959
      After all, if I am not mistaken, the bowels belong to the people, as the Edro United Party told us?
      yes ... but you can’t touch it with your hands!
      Quote: sapporo1959
      Well, again, for gas and gas prices to the native population, the same questions arise?
      But in Kommunalka, and at the price of fish (not very fresh) equal to or more than meat? and for OSAGO, and for pensions? and so on ... as if a special program to reduce the population.
      1. Suhow
        Suhow 19 January 2018 21: 50
        +1
        here Ukraine is worse after the peer-mog and pokrashchen. And then it’s unlikely to get any better. But the leaders of the jumpers don’t give up and make very great progress in hanging noodles on the ears of the population.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 January 2018 11: 22
          0
          in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev the uncle .... And after all they gathered from somewhere on one page! And all judgments have!
          Merciful God!
  9. turbris
    turbris 19 January 2018 19: 21
    +3
    Quote: groks
    And now the budget receives damage from the invested funds, and a certain Michelson and the Chinese receive profit.

    Absolutely unfounded statement, how do you know what the budget gets and what not? Again, the data from the ceiling, are you on the site just to show off with such statements? Not seriously, we are not playing children's games here, can you look for another site for your exercises?
    1. groks
      groks 19 January 2018 20: 32
      +1
      What ceiling? Follow the link, read the article. Do not like my link, do not respect VO? In any search engine.
  10. Normal ok
    Normal ok 19 January 2018 19: 27
    +3
    The question arises: to whom will LNG be delivered? Who are the contracts with?
    And more:
    whose construction is now underway by Gazprom as part of another ambitious Russian project - “Power of Siberia”.

    The power of Siberia is already unprofitable (but ambitious) !!! The Chinese cut the price and dictate their conditions:
    http://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/kitay-zabrako
    val-ceny-na-rossiyskiy-gaz-1011685032
    1. Dimax
      Dimax 19 January 2018 19: 42
      0
      At least under a contract signed with the Chinese, you can collect loans from a bank ...
    2. groks
      groks 19 January 2018 20: 34
      +1
      People - why are you? This is far from news. They brought the first batch to the British - the partners, toss them into a swing.
  11. Dimax
    Dimax 19 January 2018 19: 40
    +1
    As for the extraction of raw materials, the Europeans will always provide us with technology, but as for the processing of raw materials, here we are sorry, we ourselves .....
  12. Vincent
    Vincent 19 January 2018 19: 45
    +5
    All scouts are watching! They forgot to consult with you what is beneficial for the country and what is not. It is definitely beneficial that there are fewer like you. What is your benefit?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 36
      +2
      Yes, they are simply envious that they do not participate in this and many other projects.
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    1. Korax71
      Korax71 19 January 2018 20: 31
      +2
      It's okay. This is a business in Russian. It doesn’t matter that there is no profit. good
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 January 2018 20: 37
      +2
      Are you an expert on field development and gas sales?
    3. groks
      groks 19 January 2018 20: 46
      0
      To whom it is - there they sawed a very oily piece of the budget and will still saw it.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 January 2018 23: 54
        +1
        "There they sawed a very fat piece of the budget and will still saw it." - In more detail, who, what and how?
    4. Victor N
      Victor N 20 January 2018 11: 27
      0
      The first liquefied gas was vaporized by the British, from there it will go to the USA. Completely competitive project.
  14. turbris
    turbris 19 January 2018 21: 17
    +2
    Quote: groks
    Ale. That's just in this project was swollen unmeasured budget money. A gift to Mikhelson.

    Ale! Not swollen, but investments in the project have been made, which will return to the budget with interest, do you not understand anything at all? Michelson eclipsed your entire consciousness?
  15. turbris
    turbris 19 January 2018 21: 25
    0
    Quote: groks
    Do not like my link, do not respect VO? In any search engine.

    Do you know how many links there are in the search engine, choose any article in your opinion? Yes, I do not respect your comments on VO, I consider them stupid and unreasonable, and you are blinkered on the same topic, well, what can you do - this is my personal opinion.
  16. turbris
    turbris 19 January 2018 21: 33
    +2
    Quote: pomorAL
    Of course, the Yamal LNG production complex is utter nonsense. money thrown away

    That's even so - certainly? Excuse me, are you a respected industry expert? How many do you take on? Perhaps you graduated from the Mining Institute in St. Petersburg and then worked a lot in oil production? Not? Then who are you to make such statements, you must be more modest and then people will reach out to you, otherwise it’s just some shame.
  17. Suhow
    Suhow 19 January 2018 21: 38
    0
    The article is certainly pleasing, but in my opinion it is somewhat pathos, but I want to hope that the described prospects will come true.
  18. SHAH
    SHAH 19 January 2018 22: 10
    +2
    A breakthrough in technology is not when someone builds a plant, but on their own. A breakthrough is not when everything is focused on the sale of raw materials - oil, gas, etc., but products of deep processing from raw materials. Wealth of the bowels inherited from our ancestors
    to the whole nation, and only a few enjoy the fruits. In the team of Ermak, who conquered Siberia, there were no Abramovichs, but the wealth of Siberia and all of Russia went to them
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 January 2018 23: 59
      +1
      "The wealth of the bowels came to us from our ancestors" Yes, for two billion years, plants, dinosaur animals left us a rich inheritance, in the form of oil and gas in Russia.
  19. Manul
    Manul 19 January 2018 22: 28
    +2
    Quote: Stroporez
    "Pump out all the gas," take out the money, and strangle the people.

    Man, but is any money still settling? The Su-34s were built, submarines, frigates novyk / h. The people are still noccrils, but they could if they tried their best. I don’t have a layout for financial expenses in my hands. Like you. Write me a letter, please, how do you see a way out of the crisis of long-suffering Russia. And I will try to answer - why are you wearing pink glasses. Everything concerns ..
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 19 January 2018 22: 50
      +5
      Quote: Manul
      And I will try to answer - why are you wearing pink glasses

      Are you talking about Sling cutter-a?
      Nah ... he's not in lace panties, he's just a fiery agitator stands.
      Lit, panimayash, at work, yourself (and others) are not stingy laughing
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 19 January 2018 23: 40
      +2
      Quote: Manul
      Man, but is any money still settling?

      I'm glad to see you! drinks
      Some may settle.
      Quote: Manul
      Su-34s built, submarines, frigates novyk / h. The people are still n

      Well, yes, the people have not yet worked out, but it’s quite possible.
      And on the account of the zombie declarations, I’ll tell you so, if the army to fight terrorists like or the army to defend the homeland, so for the second point, there is neither a mobilization reserve, nor food security, and most importantly the political will of the authorities to break away from the dough.
  20. Pomor northerner
    Pomor northerner 19 January 2018 23: 16
    +3
    Sabetta port and Yamal LNG plant built in 6 years. The Arctic must develop and it is developing, albeit for the time being, due to the export of raw materials - coal, gas, oil.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2018 00: 02
      +1
      We export it for money in the future - in about 100 years, coal and gas production will come to naught, as thermonuclear energy will appear, and Mother Nature will return to normal.
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 20 January 2018 10: 06
      +1
      Excuse me, how else can the Arctic be developed besides the “export of raw materials”? fool Are you taking your ass to freeze there forever? You don’t have tea with cheesecakes without tundra midges fool .
      I wholeheartedly support as an outbuilding of the polar cities, BUT - with all my “paws” for the export of children from there (except for local nationalities) to warmer regions.
      1. KERMET
        KERMET 21 January 2018 06: 32
        +1
        The raw materials do not need to be exported anywhere, they need to be processed first of all for yourself and for yourself, almost everything that surrounds you in your comfort is made from these raw materials, and here comrades talk about the thermonuclear when oil and gas run out .... the chemical industry is yours what will it work on?
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 January 2018 06: 38
          +1
          I'm talking about the Arctic, do you personally go by the hour (and once in the concept) to pump oil at -69 degrees, drill wells and even simply pour concrete, cook metal structures?
          I’m talking about the unacceptability of moving away from the shift method of work, and even more so transporting families with children there negative .
          Recognizing the need for development and long-term comfortable living in cities in the Arctic, I remind you that the conditions are extreme there for non-local nationalities. It is really dangerous to raise children there, especially minors. fool Also, the limited local resources for providing human necessities also make it unreasonable to make efforts for long-term families.
          And about processing - well, so who is stopping you from doing the processing in Murmansk or St. Petersburg or even in Kamchatka, because it is warmer (cheaper) and people live better.
  21. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 20 January 2018 00: 19
    0
    It is not clear why cooperation with LNG amers helped Russia so? From the article it turned out - NOTHING. With the Germans, you definitely need to look at the contracts for exactly how the technology is transferred and whether the Russian Federation can be a further operator of technology distribution or are there restrictions, such as the midgets of Guliver ... from the world's leading gas suppliers and claims to be technologically advanced, it looks strange to say the least. Here, it seems, it’s not necessary to rejoice, but just right to burst into tears, well, at the same time disperse the RAS anyway, but they can’t invent anything yet, but to cut the budget.
  22. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 20 January 2018 00: 31
    +2
    I don’t understand - we have no one to make refrigerators, despite all the fanfare about import substitution? Why do we need contracts with foreign companies on these issues? Allegedly, they have "technologies"! laughing Refrigeration Technology! laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 January 2018 18: 32
      0
      Yes, because the market is full of manufacturers of refrigerators and other household utensils - production will not be profitable, and refrigerators at the exit will be gold at a price - and it is not a fact that they will be bought at all.
  23. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 20 January 2018 02: 40
    +2
    I will not even post these fabrications of the muddy author. Everything was not so, not there and not with ours, and not therefore. As a result of our cooperation, we have a 36% share in the EU gas market, and so far we have not set any political conditions for them. Business - and only business. We now produce and export large-diameter pipes ourselves, as well as the entire set of equipment and equipment for the construction of gas pipelines, including the compressors persistently mentioned by the author. The Americans bought something mining with new technologies - and then temporarily. This Jura from Sumy did not catch our LATEST, still Soviet, strategy and tactics in international industrial trade, import purchases of complete equipment. For example, KAMAZ. We bought a complete set of a full cycle, finalized the prototypes produced for our off-road conditions - and now we are the best in the world in the class of all-terrain trucks, and we successfully export them. Equipment of the plant as wear and tear imports
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 20 January 2018 03: 53
      +3
      For example, KAMAZ. Bought a complete set of a full cycle,

      Bad example. Both the factory and the Soviet-designed car. True, several foreign firms participated in the design of individual industries, and 50% of the technological equipment was imported, but about 700 (!) Firms participated from different firms, rather than a set.
  24. Mih1974
    Mih1974 20 January 2018 10: 02
    +1
    Here in the article are a couple of points that everyone didn’t notice or “carefully didn’t notice”: 1) a German company saying “give it a fantastic buzz” quality - it was a long and tedious “trained for cats (Norwegians)” 2) in addition to selling technology to us, production is transferred.
    It would seem that there is such a thing? But these moments are very "what" - more than once here he wrote that the quality of German equipment, in particular German cars, is falling. No, don’t try to spit me here, it’s data “from the ground” from repairmen and suppliers, you can write anything in “projects” and advertising, but the fact that people really “steer” and that you have to fix it later speaks for itself. And this data is not from youngsters who were born under Putin "and didn’t see anything besides him"; these are people who have found that quality (German). bully Actually, from the fact that I’m writing now (and that it’s not a secret at all), it follows (my guess) just the second point - the quality of German products “kills” just the dominance of emigrants, not even those who are banditry, namely those who want to work. All the same, do not do anything with the Afghan - he will never possess punctuality and perseverance of the German No. . And this must be borne in mind that so far many Russians and in general the USSR have been working in German factories. Even under the watchful German supervision, quality falls and falls.
    Therefore, I suspect that the Germans “began the evacuation” from the madhouse in which they are “deeper and deeper each year”, in fact, the mentioned “Siemens” mm “moves from Germany” - there was an infa about the closure of several factories, including in Germany , and even “screwdriver” assembly in Russia doesn’t even stutter tongue . Moreover, Siemens has already experienced over 160 different things with Russia, and apart from the era of fascism, it only does what it’s “dragging” to Russia everything from turbine technology to fluorescent light bulbs and oil production equipment. good
    It looks like the company about which in the article - looking at the true state of things, goes the same way as Siemens. And if the mess in Germany will increase, then the Germans really will dump from here - here. good drinks They would have brought a brewery with them - they wouldn’t have a price. drinks
    1. KERMET
      KERMET 21 January 2018 06: 37
      +1
      Nobody drags you technologies here, they just sold you an installation made according to their technologies and at their factories. And once again, liquefaction is not a processing of raw materials, it is to facilitate its transportation from a raw materials appendage to developed countries
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 21 January 2018 06: 54
        +2
        What kind of recycling do you need? If you want official statistics, then here https://minenergo.gov.ru/node/1216 in 2016 74 mrd cubes were processed. If you think "little" - well, then make efforts to increase your share in processing.
        But the words “let's stop selling gas” - pour water to the US mill, they are already making a titanic effort to replace us on the European market for yes and “just gas”. That they are out of "love for Russia" and personally do this to you - hardly. I assume that in the US they are sitting no worse than you, and for them for some reason the sale of "just gas" is considered to be more than the right decision. good
        And to put it even simpler, you can as much as you like. Want to sell not gas but a product from it, but if it wants to buy gas, then when you refuse, it will simply buy from another. Yes, maybe you can sell the refined product, but it’s not the fact that those who are ALREADY buying a “gas processing product” will be sent to you, from those from whom it is buying now. fool

        Yes - it is necessary to develop the processing and production of gas “in every possible way”, “pronounced polymers”, but the key here should be not just Wanting, but a rigorous and sober calculation - the needs of Russia and its immediate environment for polymers (gas processing products), for fuel gas, the economic competitiveness of processed products in the perspective of "conquering foreign markets" is mandatory given the political and Lobis opposition of local producers. hi good
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  26. onix757
    onix757 20 January 2018 17: 46
    0
    Quote: karish
    And why was he at all? In a country of victorious socialism.

    the percentage did not act as an enrichment for the bank, but as an effective regulator in the disposal of borrowed funds of the state. The philosophy is different.
    Well, enlighten me, what is a mutual assistance fund?

    Decree of the Presidium of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions of 20.02.59 "on a typical charter of a mutual assistance fund ..."
    Enlighten yes
    1. karish
      karish 20 January 2018 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: onix757
      Rocent did not act as an enrichment for the bank, and as an effective regulator in the disposal of borrowed funds of the state. Philosophy laid another.

      A lot of buccaff, I'm sorry. belay
      And what kind of regulator was that? laughing
      Quote: onix757
      Decree of the Presidium of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions of 20.02.59 "on a typical charter of a mutual assistance fund ..."

      Quote: onix757
      Enlighten

      Enlightened
      Mutual assistance cash desk (KVP) - a public credit institution, a voluntary association of citizens to provide mutual material (financial) assistance by providing usually interest-free [1] loans from a fund of funds generated from entrance and monthly membership fees, as well as interest on the use of cash issued from the cash desk (loans) [2] if charged.

      It is time.
      Secondly, I wonder what it was.
      A department was organized and began to donate every month for a dime, and then (depending on the order) you received money at once (a monthly fee for the number of members of the cash desk)
      Only the state did not participate in this at all. (Everything was going on as if under trade unions).
      They gathered themselves - they shared
      1. onix757
        onix757 20 January 2018 19: 02
        0
        Quote: karish
        And what kind of regulator was that?

        the concept of loan capital in Soviet society was completely absent. Percentage was not the price of this capital itself and served to accelerate the turnover between entities. activities and stimulate the accumulation of funds in the accounts of enterprises.


        Quote: karish
        Enlightened
        Mutual assistance cash desk (KVP) is a public credit institution, a voluntary association of citizens to provide mutual material (financial) assistance by providing usually interest-free [1] loans from a fund of funds generated from entrance and monthly membership fees, as well as interest on the use of loans from the cash register of the funds (loan) [2], if they are collected.
        It is time.
        Secondly, I wonder what it was.
        A department was organized and began to donate every month for a dime, and then (depending on the order) you received money at once (a monthly fee for the number of members of the cash desk)
        Only the state did not participate in this at all. (Everything was going on as if under trade unions).
        They gathered themselves - they shared

        in fact, what do you question? That mutual assistance cash desks existed or that they issued an interest-free loan? Neither one of your answer follows.
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 20 January 2018 18: 18
    0

    Why Russian gas did not reach the United States?
  28. Vard
    Vard 21 January 2018 13: 51
    +1
    Politics ... there is one policy all around ... Previously, they supplied all the pennies to third countries ... Yes, and those .... When their billions were accumulated, they were forgiven ... Now we feed the west at a loss ... Typical raw material colony ... We are gas to them ... They are candy wrappers to us ... The cost of deliveries of raw materials abroad is negative and the same Gazprom goes into plus only at the expense of the domestic market ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 13: 59
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      The cost of supplies of raw materials abroad is negative, and the same Gazprom goes into plus only due to the domestic market ...

      Listen ... with all due respect to you - you don’t talk about things that you don’t understand ...
      Quote: Vard
      The cost of supplies of raw materials abroad is negative

      Cost is what Gazprom costs these supplies. If it’s negative - it’s ... very cool, actually, but alas - there is no negative cost. As there is no icy boiling water.
      Quote: Vard
      ... Gazprom comes out in plus only due to the domestic market ...

      Enchanting nonsense. Just the prices on the domestic market are kept below market (global) due to exports.
      Listen to the Kotoglazievs less, they will teach you bad stop
  29. toha124
    toha124 21 January 2018 16: 58
    0
    It’s strange. The article says that the Amur Gas Processing Plant is building Gazprom to the Power of Siberia. As for the gas source - that's right, only the Sibur is building the plant.
  30. wachmann
    wachmann 21 January 2018 18: 35
    0
    well, there’s an advantage, only we ourselves take the “igloo”, and we have millions of settlements without gas, although we are heating the NATO barracks, we’ll start the chines with japan soon, I don’t see anything good
  31. enmesher
    enmesher 22 January 2018 14: 03
    0
    good drinks They would have brought a brewery with them - they wouldn’t have a price. drinks[/ Quote]
    Unconditional Like!
  32. _person_
    _person_ 22 January 2018 14: 05
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    And this, by the way, is correct - no one forces these loans with a knife at the throat ... to take.


    The modern education system and culture, which has no alternative enjoyed in the media, are essentially doing just that. What in Russia, what in the world.
    Therefore, everyone will have to pay, both those who take loans (at interest) and those who look at it blankly.
    And the “correctness” of one or another decision regarding the cancellation of debts must be considered in the context of a real political, economic and social situation.
  33. Apollo
    Apollo 22 January 2018 16: 47
    0
    Quote: yurasumy
    There are no words. It seems that you are commenting on another article. As I understand it. whatever you write, you will answer that everything is bad. Why, for example, why the hell did you decide that money will not go to the budget ???? Do you read the theory of political economy?


    Well, how? ... the Yamal LNG project received significant tax benefits: for 12 years it is exempt from export duty, mineral extraction tax, property tax, and income tax has been reduced to 13,5%. In addition, the state finances the construction of infrastructure: an airport, a seaport and an icebreaking and transport fleet.

    The budget will not receive practically anything from Yamal LNG and this will be 12 years from the start of production.
    And throw out your theory in the latrine.
  34. VVK_VDB
    VVK_VDB 23 January 2018 00: 16
    +1
    A typical liberal project is integration into the global economy. Do we need liquefied gas in the domestic market? What sectors of our economy are stimulated by this project? But we don’t want to solve real problems or we cannot. For example, in order to just replace Soviet still tractors you need to produce 40 thousand a year, we produce about 7 Here is a problem, the solution of which will positively affect many industries and enterprises.
  35. solovald
    solovald 23 January 2018 07: 21
    0
    Optimistic, however. But do not forget about Uncle Sam, who, as follows from the article, owns 3/4 of the LNG market. Such "optimisms" in FIGs did not surrender to him, so that "sticks in wheels" are certainly expected.
  36. HEATHER
    HEATHER 23 January 2018 15: 46
    0
    And where are the pluses to the article?
  37. NordUral
    NordUral 25 January 2018 00: 03
    0
    When will you stop shouting about oil and gas? It’s time to talk and do about manufacturing.
  38. Maz
    Maz 25 January 2018 10: 48
    0
    Quote: zenion
    Everything worked out, as Stalin warned - Russia has become a raw materials appendage of the West.

    I would say, but not Israel about raw materials appendages. 51 usa and cheap industrial area of ​​America ...