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Farewell, "Minsk world", hello, war?

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The Verkhovna Rada of Bandera’s Ukraine, 18, in January adopted a law “on the reintegration of Donbass” and denounced the Minsk agreements. Russia in this law is declared “aggressor”, “occupying” Donbass, establishing “occupying power” there. Thus, the Kiev regime creates political grounds for the resumption of the war in the Donbas. However, they still need to be implemented. President Poroshenko must still sign this law, and Moscow, most likely, will wait for his signature. And only then something will say.




While we can say that the law “on the reintegration of Donbass” was adopted at the request of Washington, the special representative of Russia in Minsk, Boris Gryzlov, said on the live broadcast that “the US sanction” was given to resolve this issue by military means. Recall ukroSMI reported that the "law of reintegration" was written with the participation of American advisers, and maybe under their leadership?

The adoption of this law is the answer to the question of why US Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt Volker "disappeared". The US sanction on the war in the Donbass is Russia's response to the refusal to introduce "peacekeepers" to the Donbass in the Yugoslav scenario, with a massacre in Srebrenica. 80% The probability of a war in the Donbas, given by Volcker, turns into 100%. That is, the Americans insist on a massacre in the Donbas, now by military means.

The “war party” in Washington, perhaps already with Trump, is pushing Poroshenko into the war in Donbas on the eve of the presidential elections in Russia, this is obvious. On the other hand, he is threatened by the anti-corruption ultimatum of Diana Francis from the Atlantic Council. The shaft of compromising and defamation, which has already fallen upon Poroshenko, may intensify if he again shirks from the start of the war, as in November 2017 of the year. Up to the third Maidan mentioned by Diana.

Indeed, the situation of November 2017 of the year is now being repeated, when Volker gave his prediction of the 80% probability of war, and Mihomuyden stood still waiting for this war. Poroshenko then made a formidable face, visited missile units, warning of a possible advance to the Donbass, sharply increased the shelling of Donbass, under the cover of which the APU began their “toad jumps”. And how did they end?

Volcker did not pause Micahomidan for this, as Diana Francis would say with her ultimatum article. As a salvation from the anti-corruption street revolution, Diana, Poroshenko again offer to start a war, and to fight for real - backed up by the law "on reintegration". But it is terrible to fight the APU, especially since Donetsk and Lugansk, and Russia are warned, which means they are armed. Poroshenko, most likely, will send the law "on reintegration" for examination to the Constitutional Court, yes, to pull the time. Then Petro will wait for the reaction of Moscow, as well as Berlin and Paris. The main thing, of course, how will Moscow respond?

In fact, Moscow has already answered. It’s clear that история With this "law" has long been monitored and worked out by the Russian General Staff. And so, literally the other day, in the Crimea, the placement of the second phase of the С-400 complex, in its northern part, close to Donbas, was completed. The US military has already spoken on this issue, expressed concern.

The statements of Boris Gryzlov, Valentina Matvienko and Vladimir Zhirinovsky that the law adopted by Rada “buried Minsk” and is a preparation for the start of hostilities in the Donbas, say that the reaction of the Kremlin can be harsh.

There is one nuance in this whole story that the anti-corruption attack of Western humanists-atlantists on Poroshenko draws attention to, which strangely coincided with the “reintegration of Donbass” and the denunciation of “Minsk”. When Petro Poroshenko signs, in fact, the law on the war in the Donbass, his Washington masters no longer need it: another commander-in-chief can lead the war, Poroshenko does not trust them in this sense, after the “toad jumps” of the Armed Forces.

If Poroshenko decisively takes up the war this time, perhaps in Washington they will give him a chance to rehabilitate. And if he starts to pull the “Minsk rubber” again, then Diana Francis’s plan to rid Ukraine of Poroshenko’s “odious elite” will come into force.

And there is no guarantee that Poroshenko will have time to deliver to the Anti-Corruption Court: outraged people in the face of neo-Nazi militants can arrange their own trial over him, as happened with Gaddafi. Poroshenko will be accused of sabotaging the law "on the reintegration of Donbass", and according to martial law will be condemned.

And the real Fuhrer of Bandera will lead to the battle, there are candidates, at least take Arseniy Yatsenyuk, why not the Fuhrer? An integral nationalist to the bone marrow, the image was replaced by a sternly warlike, with a beard and stubble, moreover, he had just arrived in Ukraine from the city of Los Angeles, rested ... Avakov and Turchinov are his best friends.

Some political analysts, like Dmitry Nekrasov, argue that Russia is interested in exacerbation in the Donbas, because “Putin is profitable,” distracts from the real problems, and thus the United States will not be able to influence the elections in Russia. Yes, the United States will not be able to influence the elections in Russia, but it is even possible to declare them illegitimate in the conditions of the war in the Donbas, involving Russia as an “occupier” according to the law just adopted by the Rada.

Perhaps the US sanction on the renewal of Bandera war in the Donbass has precisely this goal: to have a reason to declare the election of the president of Russia illegitimate. If the nonsense "about the interference of" Russian hackers "in the election campaign in the United States became for Congress the basis for adopting the law on Russia as an adversary, then the war on the borders of Russia may become a pretext for all that the US Congress wants.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 19 January 2018 06: 20
    +5
    No matter how dill this signed a death sentence.
    1. Finches
      Finches 19 January 2018 07: 45
      14
      Once again, I am amazed at the Ukrainians’ cunning stupidity — they declared the aggressor, but they dropped the clause on breaking diplomatic relations with Moscow and the denunciation of agreements on mutual recognition of borders between the two countries and all this against the backdrop of increased trade between our countries! if Che .... No wonder they say that when a crest was born, a Jew cried! laughing
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 19 January 2018 08: 37
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        Once again, I am amazed at the Ukrainians’ cunning stupidity — they declared the aggressor, but they threw out the clause on breaking diplomatic relations with Moscow and the denunciation of agreements on mutual recognition of borders between the two countries and all this against the backdrop of an increase in trade between our countries!

        Yes, Naftogaz ran to bow to Gazprom ... smile Wonderful things! ..
        1. trump
          trump 19 January 2018 16: 35
          +2
          Anti-Anglosax, it’s for nothing that you yourself have appropriated such a name, since
          Anglo-Saxons in the United States - this is a minority somewhere approx. 55-60 million of the 300 million people, and practically the government, all the media, including Hollywood, and the largest banks belong to a completely different ethnic group.
      2. victorsh
        victorsh 19 January 2018 08: 50
        10
        I repent. The first time I was delighted and drank a hundred for the law adopted by the Rada. And I VERY hopes our answer will not be just a "concern." Forgive the miners and oil workers. But it’s enough to measure EVERYTHING with profit. Stop supplying coal there. Their equipment uses Belarusian fuel that comes from ours oil. You can write a lot. It's a shame.
        1. avt
          avt 19 January 2018 10: 25
          +9
          Quote: victorsh
          I repent. The first time I was delighted and drank a hundred for the law adopted by the Rada.

          Yes. The law is cool! bully I even specifically looked at how the raguli will react on our TV. For the first time Yanina Lazarevna was blown off by half a tone bully He understands not with his mind, but with his asshole that it’s practically slowly, but surely, not only a dictatorship is established on the Ruin - legalized lawlessness! Now raguli by law can wet each other right in the center of Kiev, for the wrong tone in the pronunciation of Sala Dropped! bully
        2. Petr1968
          Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 47
          0
          Quote: victorsh
          I repent. The first time I was delighted and drank a hundred for the law adopted by the Rada.

          noticeably
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 19 January 2018 11: 56
        0
        they are waiting for a new Astana process - the NAS will invite and will bargain with the Russian Federation for "partial access to the markets of Central Asia." The Chinese do not scare it.
        PRICE OF THE WORLD (AGAINST THE USA) -A RF will provide partial transit (cheers, zrada, mitigation of the position of the achressor) for those goods that are not very moving our in the market of Slovakia
      4. Alber
        Alber 19 January 2018 20: 30
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        I am amazed at the cunning of Ukrainians-

        cunning ... the hahlov post is explained by their true origin (Poroshenko-Valtsman, Turchinov-Kogan, Tymoshenko-Kapitelman, Yaytsenyuk-Bakai, Tyagnibok-Frotman, Klitschko (boxer) -Etinson by mother ...)

        Quote: Finches
        they also specified in an explanatory note who will restore Donbas if Che .... No wonder they say that when a crest was born, a Jew cried!

        ))) I didn’t say it ... notice
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 19 January 2018 08: 23
      +2
      Quote: Spartanez300
      No matter how dill this signed a death sentence.

      I remember very well how in BP Ukraine. in 2015 adopted a law recognizing Russia as an aggressor country. (I’ll find the video). What horses are taking or not taking is not interesting at all
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 19 January 2018 08: 54
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        I remember very well how in BP Ukraine. in 2015 adopted a law recognizing Russia as an aggressor country. (I’ll find the video).

        Was the case yes This is the third time they have passed such laws! bully
        Quote: Chertt
        (I’ll find the video)

        1. Captain Nemo
          Captain Nemo 23 January 2018 18: 56
          0
          I would love Sotnik with all diligence)))) oh, hot girl, you can feel everything))) no one knows the phone of her "mother"?))
      2. avt
        avt 19 January 2018 18: 14
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        What horses are taking or not taking is not interesting at all

        Uh, no! Since we are achresors, then after 2019 gas cannot be pumped through the ruin through Ruin! bully Lohly signed a whisker happy for laying ,, Nord Stream 2 " bully Way to go, maidanutye! Now it's up to the ammonia pipeline to Odessa. bully
    3. krops777
      krops777 19 January 2018 09: 06
      +3
      The “war party” in Washington, perhaps already with Trump, is pushing Poroshenko to go to war in the Donbass ahead of the presidential election in Russia, this is obvious.


      Putin is not so stupid and they also think so there, such a scenario does not intimidate him, he can turn everything in his favor (verified). Trump is our agent bully it’s possible that all this is an internal political showdown in the United States, but for Poros and his banderlogs everything can end very badly, the reactionary forces against Ukraine’s internal regime are gaining momentum, though they have no general orientation, there is no leader, but this is a matter of time.
      1. Victor Kamenev
        19 January 2018 11: 25
        +7
        Far from taking Putin’s “unpredictable” decisions, it’s just that they are tied to his name, so it’s pretty silly to trump Putin’s mind, and it’s surprising that everyone is doing so almost without exception. Not only Putin rules the country, but decisions are made under his leadership by the General Staff and so on. Putin's genius is that he does not interfere with the work of his headquarters, and relies on them. Therefore, by the way, the course of Russia does not depend on Putin personally, and he quietly flies around the world. Because the Americans understand this.
        1. krops777
          krops777 19 January 2018 11: 33
          +1
          therefore, trumping Putin’s mind is pretty stupid, and it’s amazing that everyone is doing it almost without exception. Not only Putin rules the country, but under his leadership decisions are made by the General Staff and so on. The genius of Putin is that he does not interfere with the work of his headquarters, and relies on them. Therefore, by the way, the course of Russia does not personally depend on Putin, and he calmly flies around the world. Because the Americans understand this.


          Exactly wink but not the General Staff and the like represent the country, but Putin, he doesn’t deal with the economy for that too, he has his own specialists, etc., in the end, the head of state is responsible for everything, look at the leaders of other states, there are a lot of smart leaders there ?, you think there are no general headquarters?
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 19 January 2018 10: 59
      +5
      The logical answer should be the recognition of LDNR by Russia. Or will we continue to chew snot? winked
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 19 January 2018 12: 33
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        The logical answer should be the recognition of LDNR by Russia. Or will we continue to chew snot? winked

        But how do we recognize them by Russia, if these are subjects of another state.
        And let's recognize Alaska as Russia?
      2. Petr1968
        Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 27
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        The logical answer should be the recognition of LDNR by Russia. Or will we continue to chew snot?

        What will it give? Zakharchenko said he would not tolerate any troops in the DPR, including the Russian ones. For all the time they did not ask for Russia and did not ask for help from Russia. They all the time advocate integration not into Russia, but into Ukraine !!!! What for then to interfere with us ???
    5. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 January 2018 12: 29
      +3
      Quote: Spartanez300
      No matter how dill this signed a death sentence.

      We’ve been burying for 4 years ... zombies.
    6. Rusland
      Rusland 19 January 2018 13: 26
      10
      Urgently need to break the friendship agreement and carry out appropriate activities.
    7. Petr1968
      Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 23
      0
      Quote: Spartanez300
      No matter how dill this signed a death sentence.

      It’s better not to touch the miners, they will bend all NATO into the bayonet, if necessary!
    8. Lexus
      Lexus 19 January 2018 20: 01
      0
      Just caught my eye. The otvetka of militias.
      1. Antares
        Antares 20 January 2018 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: lexus
        The otvetka of militias.

        I looked at the BMPD, except for fragmentation hits in mortar technology and hits in the “strategic huts” called headquarters (it’s very difficult to believe the word that every house is a headquarters) is a very rough cut with erroneous moments in work. For example, a moment with an attempt to cover an armored personnel carrier under a bridge. The funnel is shown then the moment of impact, then even clean asphalt without funnel is laid ...
        rough cutting of summer, spring shelling. UAVs may be commercial. But one bmp was covered with fragments several times (in the trench that) There was no direct hit. the caliber is not large. Severe damage may occur.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 January 2018 06: 42
    +5
    Rada made a bloody porridge .... Everyone will have to disentangle!
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 34
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Rada made a bloody porridge .... Everyone will have to disentangle!

      Everyone, but not everyone. It is necessary to capture Kiev already .. and there and the Baltic states at the same time!
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 19 January 2018 21: 06
        +2
        Quote: Petr1968
        It is necessary to capture Kiev already .. and there and the Baltic states at the same time!

        Forward, to the trenches near Donetsk!
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 19 January 2018 07: 50
    0
    Farewell, "Minsk world", hello, war?
    ... It seems that ... As if with a further development of the event, there would have been no oligarchic coup in Russia ....
    1. Soho
      Soho 19 January 2018 08: 35
      +3
      unlikely oligarchic. But the fact that they will try to restart the war in the spring to the peak of the presidential elections in the Russian Federation is very real. This is tactically very successful: Putin will react to the intensification of hostilities - spoil his karma at the hour of "X". He will not react, concentrating on the elections - well then, you can return the Donbass to the noise. In short, in any situation Ukrainians win.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 19 January 2018 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: Soho
        Putin will react to the intensification of hostilities - spoil his karma at the hour of "X".

        Here he is. Realizing that he will lose the election, he makes a multi-trip through Ukraine.
        It is tactically very successful.
        This is of course banter on my part. But seriously, I don’t think that the GDP will allow something that will interfere with its plans.
        As if I didn’t relate to GDP, but it should be recognized that he is smart, cold-blooded ...
        1. Soho
          Soho 22 January 2018 10: 33
          +1
          Here he is. Realizing that he will lose the election, he makes a multi-trip through Ukraine.

          about "lose the election" is the level of TNT vanging. And as for the multi-way .... do you really think that this is an invention of GDP? As an example, let me remind you that the Allied Force operation to bombard Yugoslavia began at the peak of the Clinton-Livinsky bombing scandal and the growing threat of impeachment to the president, convicted of perjury. Coincidence, Kiselev would say, no, I don’t think))
      2. Petr1968
        Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 24
        0
        Quote: Soho
        that they will try to restart the war in the spring to the peak of the presidential elections in Russia - this is very real

        This is not our war.
        1. Soho
          Soho 22 January 2018 10: 35
          +1
          certainly not ours. But she is very closely connected with us. Unfortunately or not, but in fact it is
  4. Boris55
    Boris55 19 January 2018 08: 12
    +1
    Statements of Boris Gryzlova, valentines Matvienko and Vladimir Zhirinovsky that the law adopted by the Rada “buried Minsk” and is a preparation for the outbreak of hostilities in the Donbass, they say that the Kremlin’s reaction can be harsh.

    From the very beginning, these “radishes” dream of plunging Russia into war. Only now, while Putin is in the Kremlin, they cannot do it. When you go to the polls, remember this.
    As regards the Minsk Agreements, they are reflected in the UN resolution in the first paragraph, which the Rada recognized in the same document.
    1. Romey
      Romey 19 January 2018 10: 39
      +9
      Quote: Boris55
      Statements of Boris Gryzlova, valentines Matvienko and Vladimir Zhirinovsky that the law adopted by the Rada “buried Minsk” and is a preparation for the outbreak of hostilities in the Donbass, they say that the Kremlin’s reaction can be harsh.

      From the very beginning, these “radishes” dream of plunging Russia into war. Only now, while Putin is in the Kremlin, they cannot do it. When you go to the polls, remember this.

      Remember. Shame we already slurp full spoons, and therefore war is inevitable. Thanks to Vladimir Vladimirovich and his brilliantly idiotic foreign policy.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 19 January 2018 10: 42
        0
        Quote: romey
        Shame we already slurp full spoons

        Explain your thought, where are we disgraced?
        1. Romey
          Romey 19 January 2018 11: 15
          12
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: romey
          Shame we already slurp full spoons

          Explain your thought, where are we disgraced?

          Everywhere. In all directions from Ukraine to the Olympics. The predictably completed Minsk epic simply finally proved all the stupidity and mediocrity of Putin's foreign policy precisely in this vital direction. If the APU goes on the offensive, they will easily sweep away what we commonly call "corps." What are you going to do? "North wind"? So excuse me, on the other side of the frayer there are already broken and there will be no 14 chambers. There will be a very serious war in all directions from Sumy to Mariupol with all the consequences and there is no certainty that it will have a favorable outcome for us. Putin gave time for rearmament, combat training, combat coordination, the creation of a serious mobilization reserve and the ideological treatment of the personnel of the Armed Forces. And they are unlikely to run away at the sight of the formidable Field Marshal Shoigu and thousands of cheers articles and cheers comments on the Internet ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 19 January 2018 11: 21
            +8
            What nonsense are you writing? There is a civil war in Ukraine. We are not going to get involved in it! We will in every way, at the highest management priorities, contribute to its completion. So leave your dreams of the war of Russians against Russians - to yourself.
            1. Romey
              Romey 19 January 2018 12: 49
              +8
              Quote: Boris55
              What nonsense are you writing? There is a civil war in Ukraine. We are not going to get involved in it! We will in every way, at the highest management priorities, contribute to its completion. So leave your dreams of the war of Russians against Russians - to yourself.

              Rave? Civil War?! Are you friends with some sort of logic of perception and chronology of events? You can tell tales here. On the other side, your arguments are not taken seriously from the word at all. And if you think that not having come to the war, she will bypass you then you are mistaken. Moreover, the war of Russians against Russians has been going on for exactly 4 years, regardless of your recognition of this fact. Even if we seriously consider the postulate of a civil war, then we, too, long ago got involved in it. and if, accordingly, the war is on, then it either wins or loses. Things are going to lose and don’t even hope that Crimea will be able to keep it in such a situation: after the fall of Donbass, the West will take over Crimea. Obama's ultimatum has not been canceled. By the way, how are you going to contribute to its completion? Minsk-3?
              1. businessv
                businessv 19 January 2018 17: 41
                +1
                [quote = Romei] [quote = Boris55] ... Things are going to lose and do not even hope that Crimea will be able to keep this in hand: after the fall of Donbass, the West will take over Crimea. Obama's ultimatum has not been canceled. [/ Quote]
                Dear, when were you in Ukraine? Where does this admiration for the power of the Ukrainian army and the ultimatums of American presidents come from? Do not forget that in Ukraine, too, the Slavs! The status of hostilities can be argued as much as you like, only those who want to kill the Slavs in the Armed Forces are not as many as you think! They certainly exist, but what without them? But do not exaggerate their number and skills. As for the European West, he would have to sort out his problems, and only then with the promises and ultimatums of his American Big Brother!
            2. Petr1968
              Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 36
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              We will in every way, at the highest management priorities, contribute to its completion.

              What for? After all, this is a hostile Russophobic state. On the contrary, it’s all for us. Putin is a strategist, handsome! Nothing to do, we are watching further !!
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 21 January 2018 20: 39
                +1
                Then flared up Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov region, and they all watched ....
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 22 January 2018 09: 25
                  0
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  Then Voronezh, Belgorod, Kursk and Rostov regions flared up, and they all watched.

                  Yes, worse, then the third world war and all the end)))) Or not. Satan himself will come down and take everyone to HELL))) Something I don’t see, that you would be a respected prophet .. Where is the collection of predictions?)))) While Putin is in power, nothing will flare up ... but komunyaki and Stalinists will come .. . Little will not seem to anyone .. North Korea will be a child compared to these .. that’s why you need to be afraid!
            3. zoolu350
              zoolu350 21 January 2018 20: 36
              +2
              Did you wake up yesterday? Russians have been killing Russians since 2014. Civil war is already going on to parts of Russia.
              1. Petr1968
                Petr1968 22 January 2018 09: 23
                0
                Quote: zoolu350

                0
                zoolu350 Yesterday, 20:36 ↑
                Did you wake up yesterday? Russians have been killing Russians since 2014. Civil war is already going on to parts of Russia.

                Seriously? This is in what area is the war going on? Do you live in a virtual world?))))
          2. BecmepH
            BecmepH 19 January 2018 12: 49
            +4
            Quote: romey
            If the APU goes on the offensive, they will easily sweep away what we commonly call "corps."

            It seems you are not in yourself. Or reread the censor?
            I have not read such nonsense at VO yet.
            They will sweep away running away from
            what we commonly call "buildings"
            By the way, what are we usually called buildings? And where can they meet the "valiant" APU?
            1. Romey
              Romey 19 January 2018 13: 00
              10
              Nonsense? Yes, you TVs with moronic talk shows have been revised. Guys, it looks like you still live in 2014 and a bunch of alarming calls bypassed the Putinists. Lord When will all this sluggish schizophrenia end ?! Just a month ago, Murz gave very clear handouts on the APU. Not from a cozy Moscow sofa, but from the trenches. Is this also nonsense that was not in VO? And the articles by Elena Gromova? Generally speaking about the buildings, I had in mind 1 and 2 of the LDNR corps. The question of where they intersect with the Armed Forces of Ukraine is, I think, sorry, frankly idiotic, or mockery in the Surkov manner. APU will not run anywhere and the economic situation of Ukraine is not much worse than ours. In general, stop watching the zombie creator and read the nasal spider, and learn how to face the bitter truth. Otherwise, insight will turn into a double nightmare.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 19 January 2018 13: 08
                +7
                Quote: romey
                learn to face the bitter truth.

                But the truth is. Ukraine is an independent state. There is a civil war in Ukraine. Russia, Germany and France are making efforts to end it. There will be no direct intervention of the armed forces of Russia, Germany or France in the internal affairs of an independent state. Everything else is emotions.
                1. Romey
                  Romey 19 January 2018 13: 32
                  +7
                  Independent state? Why are you shouting at every corner that this is a US colony? And Crimea is not an interference in the internal affairs of an independent state? Where is the logic, gentlemen?
                  1. BecmepH
                    BecmepH 19 January 2018 14: 38
                    +5
                    Quote: romey
                    And Crimea is not an interference in the internal affairs of an independent state? Where is the logic, gentlemen?

                    So simple. Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR, but without documentary registration. It was, t.s., a gift. The deed of gift was not framed properly. Therefore, there is no problem with the return of the Crimea. You don’t let foam about Crimea here, but ask the inhabitants of the Peninsula. They will tell you everything.
                    Why are you shouting at every corner that this is a US colony?
                    So the Americans will not come out from Ukraine. After the arrival of another, the movement begins in Ukraine.
                    Not from a cozy Moscow sofa, but from the trenches.
                    And now you are sitting in a trench frozen and with a dirty, smelling of gunpowder finger, having difficulty typing text on a broken phone fragment?
                    1. Romey
                      Romey 19 January 2018 15: 00
                      +6
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      Quote: romey
                      And Crimea is not an interference in the internal affairs of an independent state? Where is the logic, gentlemen?

                      So simple. Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR, but without documentary registration. It was, t.s., a gift. The deed of gift was not framed properly.

                      Yes, the West does not care about it. This thesis is only suitable for internal rhetoric. Putin will be pressed to the last and tools for this are more than enough. Without closing the problem of Ukraine, the question of Crimea cannot be closed in principle.
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      You do not let foam here, but ask the inhabitants of the Peninsula. They will tell you everything.

                      To the opinion of residents of the Crimea and the Russian Federation in general, those in power and, moreover, their Western partners do not care about the high tower. If our oligarchy is impatient and the Crimea will not be ours, as well as the Kuril Islands and Kaliningrad.
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      So the Americans will not come out from Ukraine. After the arrival of another, the movement begins in Ukraine.

                      So, is it necessary to do something with this, or is it also possible to overcome and triumph the KhPP? If Putin’s ingenious plan was exactly that, then I congratulate you - we got huge Poland, the Baltic States and Georgia together at our side.
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      And now you are sitting in a trench frozen and with a dirty, smelling of gunpowder finger, having difficulty typing text on a broken phone fragment?

                      No, I'm not sitting. For it’s not a pervert to die as a volunteer for the KhPP and the implementation of the already deceased Minsk agreements. Although, as an officer of the regular Russian army, he is ready to carry out any tasks if called upon as expected.
                      Py.Sy. You have the USSR flag in your avatar. Are you not ashamed to defend Putin’s corrupt power under it, which drove Novorossia into such a dead end that it is almost impossible to find a way out of it without serious reputation and geopolitical losses?
                      1. Petr1968
                        Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 45
                        0
                        Quote: romey
                        Are you not ashamed to defend Putin’s corrupt power under it, which drove Novorossia into such a dead end that it is almost impossible to find a way out of it without serious reputation and geopolitical losses?

                        What is the role of Putin in New Russia .. more details please. They did not ask for Russia, they don’t ask for help. Or are you talking about TV magazine, which speaks about it every day .. so it's their job for a lot of money.
                      2. BecmepH
                        BecmepH 19 January 2018 20: 29
                        0
                        Quote: romey
                        For not a pervert, to volunteer to die for HSP

                        So you do not die for HPP, but for LDN
                        You’re not ashamed to defend Putin’s corrupt power under him,
                        How do you know that I am defending. Even if you think (although this is not so) then what do you care? Or am I not living in a free country? I personally do not impose anything on you, so calm down already.
                    2. Normal ok
                      Normal ok 19 January 2018 21: 02
                      +3
                      Quote: BecmepH
                      Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR, but without documentary registration.

                      Laughing out loud. Did the 1 channel tell you this? That in the USSR, anything could have happened "without documenting" laughing
                  2. Boris55
                    Boris55 19 January 2018 15: 11
                    +3
                    Quote: romey
                    And Crimea is not an interference in the internal affairs of an independent state?

                    Crimea was part of Ukraine, according to the constitution of Ukraine, as a republic. Crimea withdrew from Ukraine in compliance with all laws of Ukraine. Independent Crimea returned to Russia voluntarily with the consent of 98% of citizens. Russia did not intervene in the adoption of these decisions by the Crimeans. Dot!
                    Ukraine is an independent state that has given its right to dispose of its US sovereignty. Has the right to.
                    1. Romey
                      Romey 19 January 2018 15: 18
                      +7
                      [quote = Boris55] [
                      Crimea was part of Ukraine as a republic. Crimea withdrew from Ukraine in compliance with all laws of Ukraine. Independent Crimea returned to Russia voluntarily with the consent of 98% of citizens. Dot!
                      [/ Quote]
                      No. Not a point. but just an ellipsis. Try to convince of this Ukraine and its patrons, wow state? [/ quote]
                      Crimea was a part of then put an end. How can you be so naive?
                      [quote = Boris55]
                      Ukraine is an independent state that has given its right to dispose of its US sovereignty. Has the right. [/ Quote]
                      Curious ... Of course he has the right. But we have no right to ignore the appearance of an explosive bridgehead on the southwestern borders. A broader question can be posed: only Russia will remain to live, or only Ukraine. I prefer the first option and therefore uncompromising.
                    2. Stirbjorn
                      Stirbjorn 19 January 2018 15: 22
                      +6
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Crimea withdrew from Ukraine in compliance with all laws of Ukraine.
                      Whose laws ?! “Have you even read them ?!” wassat
                      The Constitution of Ukraine, like the Constitution of the Russian Federation, does not provide for the right to secession, respectively, the withdrawal of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol from Ukraine is contrary to the Basic Law of Ukraine. According to the Constitution of Ukraine, the question of changing the borders of Ukraine should be decided only at the all-Ukrainian referendum, appointed by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
                      And the president of the country should at least approve this, and as far as I remember, Yanukovych didn’t sign anything
                      1. Normal ok
                        Normal ok 19 January 2018 19: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: Stirbjorn
                        3


                        Stirbjorn

                        Today, 15: 22


                        New


                        Quote: Boris55Krym left the structure of Ukraine in compliance with all laws of Ukraine. Whose laws ?! “Have you even read them ?!”

                        Why should he read? He was told on TV. And the zombie man doesn’t deceive bully
                  3. businessv
                    businessv 19 January 2018 17: 50
                    0
                    Quote: romey
                    Independent state? Why are you shouting at every corner that this is a US colony? And Crimea is not an interference in the internal affairs of an independent state? Where is the logic, gentlemen?

                    Logic, just iron! Independent of us, the state of Ukraine, which is a colony of the United States. What do not you like? The feeling that you live in a parallel reality, which in vibration coincides with the vibrations of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. By the tone of the messages, we are not screaming, but you, dear, and your screams are not entirely true, especially in terms of the economic situation in Ukraine.
                    1. Romey
                      Romey 19 January 2018 19: 10
                      +6
                      Quote: businessv

                      Logic, just iron! Independent of us, the state of Ukraine, which is a colony of the United States. What do not you like? The feeling that you live in a parallel reality, which in vibration coincides with the vibrations of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. By the tone of the messages, we are not screaming, but you, dear, and your screams are not entirely true, especially in terms of the economic situation in Ukraine.

                      There is no logic. Attempts to separate the issues of Crimea and the issues of New Russia are futile, because the enemy ties them together, and Putin’s foreign policy has not been able to propose adequate methods of counteraction. With the direct connivance of our authorities, a hostile state with Bandera’s ideology instigated there arose and strengthened right at its side. Nobody knows what to do with this state and does not give clear answers. Nobody offers a way out, replacing them with mantras about all kinds of uncontested options. This state itself is not going to fall apart, contrary to the opinion of adherents of all kinds of HPP. And the owners will not allow it. The population of Ukraine, of course, does not feel much love for their government, but we also have the myth of the nationwide deification of a certain person, also nothing more than a myth created by the media. And the myth is dangerous. We are much more vulnerable socially and economically, since to save our oligarchy with the help of the IMF, Washington will only on its own terms. They are famous. Further processing of the population of Ukraine and increased propaganda will inevitably do their job. The economic situation in Ukraine is not fundamentally different from ours, with the difference that there are no own energy resources for export. The standard of living is about the same, unemployment may be slightly higher. The salary level is lower, but the price tags are lower there. The problems are also the same: debt burden, low salaries, communal services, medicine, education, pensions. You can keep the rhetoric about vibrations and the Verkhovna Rada with you.
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 26 March 2018 15: 56
                        0
                        Quote: romey
                        Attempts to separate the issues of Crimea and the issues of New Russia are futile, because the enemy ties them together, and Putin’s foreign policy has not been able to propose adequate methods of counteraction.

                        Logic, I repeat, iron! Crimea is Russian, the rest is lyrics about linking the enemy. Well, what's the difference, who connects what and with what outside of Russia? What is it to us? And what do you yourself have to offer about this? Here are the initial ones: in Ukraine, thousands of small arms in their hands, which (with arms) are controlled by the oligarchy and nationalists. Nationalists are given to the streets of the country on which they do what they want. The authorities can not do anything with them because on their shoulders it entered the president’s residence and the Rada. External debt, compared with 2013 increased by 3,5 times. The largest plants are closing due to the termination of contracts with Russia. Currency is not earned - nothing. And you are trying to balance the situation in Russia with situevina in Ukraine ?! My dear, you do not know what is really happening in Ukraine! I look forward to your recommendations to our government on this matter! hi
          3. Petr1968
            Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 26
            +2
            Quote: romey
            Putin gave time for rearmament, combat training, combat coordination, the creation of a serious mobilization reserve and the ideological treatment of the personnel of the Armed Forces.

            What does Putin have to do with it? DNR is not part of Russia.
            1. Romey
              Romey 19 January 2018 15: 38
              +6
              Quote: Petr1968
              Quote: romey
              Putin gave time for rearmament, combat training, combat coordination, the creation of a serious mobilization reserve and the ideological treatment of the personnel of the Armed Forces.

              What does Putin have to do with it? DNR is not part of Russia.

              Of course! Of course! Putin has nothing to do with it! He never promised anything to anyone! And he didn’t even do anything. All this is a dream. Just a dream. Or total amnesia. In general, Churchill came up with Russian Spring in the year 18. Seriously, don’t hold others to idiots ...
              1. Petr1968
                Petr1968 22 January 2018 09: 28
                0
                Quote: romey
                Of course! Of course! Putin has nothing to do with it! He never promised anything to anyone! And he didn’t even do anything. All this is a dream. Just a dream. Or total amnesia.

                What did he promise to whom? Link to the studio. Or did you confuse TV (aka virtual world show) with real? Soloviev revised?
                1. Romey
                  Romey 22 January 2018 10: 44
                  +2
                  Arranged ?! Or is it ukrofeyk? We stood ?! Those who gave the order are already just mocking.
                  Dear, it’s you trying to shift the offensive delirium from sick heads to healthy ones. And further. Unlike you, Shapiro and others I haven’t been watching for two years now, because the degree of schizophrenia’s intensity there simply goes through the roof. Some ukrokluny what are there ....
          4. owl
            owl 19 January 2018 16: 26
            0
            Yes, you are a strategist, Romey. Only now you are sitting in a swamp and croaking from your bump. Do not dare to discuss Putin, you are to him, as to a polar star on foot.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 19 January 2018 17: 54
              +4
              But is it already forbidden to think?
            2. Romey
              Romey 19 January 2018 18: 40
              +5
              Quote: Owl
              Yes, you are a strategist, Romey. Only now you are sitting in a swamp and croaking from your bump. Do not dare to discuss Putin, you are to him, as to a polar star on foot.

              But what about freedom of speech, democracy, liberal values, freedom is better than not freedom and other crap that TV drives us? Or croaking is allowed only to Putinists and liberals (which is actually the same thing)? No guys, don't shut up. I did not break the rules, so let me croak on ...
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 January 2018 08: 24
    +3
    If the APU climbs to the Donbass, it will end for Ukraine extremely sadly ... Yes, they will not climb. The fuse is not the same. And thousands of those killed and maimed in this operation (which is inevitable) will lead to mass desertion. There is no aviation, tanks will be killed in the first hours, and to drive infantry through minefields under artillery fire ... For a well-trained enemy ... I do not believe it!
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 19 January 2018 09: 43
      +9
      And then the working class of Ukraine will kindle the fire of the proletarian revolution and throw off the hateful regime .... Remember the course of scientific communism?
    2. Victor Kamenev
      19 January 2018 11: 17
      +2
      This is the main problem of Washington, how to make the APU go on the offensive. They remove all legislative restrictions so that the order of an offensive is, as it were, legitimate and difficult to get out of its implementation. The main difficulty of the Americans, perhaps in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which does not want to attack. To change the General Staff, you need to remove the chief commander Poroshenko
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 46
        +3
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        This is Washington’s main problem, how to force the APU to go on the offensive.

        Finally, they found out the main problem of Washington ... Comrade .. try not to watch TV for at least a week .. and it turns out that the world is not only Putin-Syria-Ukraine))))
  6. baudolino
    baudolino 19 January 2018 09: 37
    +4
    I can hardly imagine a full-fledged military operation until March 18. We have dirt interspersed with temporary frost. How dill will maneuver its art through the fields, xs.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      19 January 2018 11: 11
      +3
      The Charter does not say anything about the weather. It is not a pity to the Americans for dill, it is not they who fight, but the Ukrainian Armed Forces, bravely overcoming all difficulties.
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 21 January 2018 20: 51
        +1
        But in winter on the East European theater of operations, offensive operations are simpler: rivers and swamps freeze, the ability of the defending side to urgently carry out engineering equipment of positions is difficult.
  7. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 19 January 2018 09: 42
    +5
    As you already got with Ukraine .... More heat about Guinea-Bessau !!!!!!
  8. BAI
    BAI 19 January 2018 10: 13
    +6
    Moscow, most likely, will wait for his signature. And only then he will say something.

    Moscow will express concern and surrender to Kiev another militia.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      19 January 2018 11: 09
      +1
      Do not confuse Moscow with the bureaucratic state machine, in which every creature has a pair, and in your case Moscow and Putin are obtained by an all-powerful God, who has everything under control. Don't be fooled by western lies.
  9. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 19 January 2018 10: 34
    +4
    The US sanction on the war in the Donbass is Russia's response to the refusal to introduce “peacekeepers” to the Donbass according to the Yugoslav scenario, with a massacre as in Srebrenica.
    And then Srebrenica ?! It is appropriate here, exclusively the story of Serbian Krajina and Operation Oluya! However, it was Putin who recalled Srebrenica, and since the author is a well-known Putinist, it is clear that there is not a single step away from the leader’s words.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      19 January 2018 11: 02
      +1
      It is Srebrenica that is appropriate, because the population of Serbian Krajina was 200 thousand, and the population of Donbass was under 4 million people, and the Bandera Nazi battalions already declare their readiness to sweep. Incidentally, Stirbjorn as an acquaintance of the Nazis, the sweeps, and the western "humanists", it never sees.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 19 January 2018 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: Victor Kamenev
        It is Srebrenica that is appropriate, because the population of Serbian Krajina was 200 thousand.
        And the population of Srebrenica ?! The Western "humanists" just sigh along Srebrenica, as well as along Vukovar, Sarajevo, but they don’t see the Serbs' genocide at point blank range. I, Viktor, unlike you, did not study the Balkan war of the 90s according to Putin, and I read more than one book on this topic. hi
  10. BAI
    BAI 19 January 2018 10: 46
    +3
    Here the people at one time laughed when Ukraine with an insignificant advantage, but dragged through the UN anti-Russian resolutions. Like they mean nothing. And now she waves them like a flag and covers her any deeds and blames Russia for everything. And who now remembers with what proportion of votes they passed, who voted and how? It should be recognized that on the diplomatic front, despite all the speeches of Zakharova, Ukraine (+ the USA) won. At least for now.
    1. Victor Kamenev
      19 January 2018 11: 05
      +4
      All these resolutions are not worth the paper on which they are written, and one order of Sergei Shoigu. Diplomacy is a written lie, and diplomats need words to cover a lie, how many times it has been repeated in the world ...
      1. sd68
        sd68 19 January 2018 11: 12
        +3
        Are you the author of the article?
        are you really sure that it is Matvienko, Zhirinovsky and Gryzlov who determine the policy of the Kremlin and their statements mean something?
        The statements of Boris Gryzlov, Valentina Matvienko and Vladimir Zhirinovsky that the law adopted by Rada “buried Minsk” and is a preparation for the start of hostilities in the Donbas, say that the reaction of the Kremlin can be harsh.

        You are probably a very deep analyst with such and such statements
      2. Romey
        Romey 19 January 2018 15: 41
        +2
        I would like to hear the answer to the question posed above.
    2. businessv
      businessv 26 March 2018 16: 05
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Ukraine (+ USA) won. At least for now.

      The accents are wrong, dear! It should be like this: the United States won, and Ukraine contributed.
  11. Overlock
    Overlock 19 January 2018 11: 29
    +6
    at the expense of the Minsk Agreements, Ukraine has rearmament of its army, motivation is off the charts, poverty in the country gives an unlimited human resource, help from abroad is growing. The United States wants to unleash the war between Ukraine and Russia by any means.
    Tasks: 1. open fighting of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and Ukraine, hence the “worried world community”, new sanctions, the “blood gap” between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, which makes impossible rapprochement in the near future.
    2. Before the election, the GDP has a problem: to send troops or not. Introduces, the aggressor country, hence the UN, etc. Doesn’t enter, Ukraine finishes LDNR, image losses of GDP before the elections. Putin, with the "concerned public", acts as a traitor to the Russian Donbass.
    Recognize LDNR or not recognize- recognize, this means financing the entire infrastructure, the introduction of troops with the ensuing consequences. NOT admit- give the Donbass Ukraine to be torn to pieces.
    War is inevitable, as Poroshenko has no way out behind the back of the corruption investigation, Saakashvili, the militants. In case of victory, Poroshenko has a real chance for a second term, in case of defeat, the utilization of the most aggressive militants, the abandonment of the Donbass, the abolition of the presidential election (martial law), the preservation of his face in the West, which gives him a chance to slip away with the whole and with money (forgive )
    In any case, the United States wins and does not risk anything at all.
    Russia has anyway losses. Introduces troops - human, image, financial. It does not introduce troops- image-building, financial (refugees), the loss of Donbass and the possibility of containing Ukraine.
    If Ukraine takes the Donbass, the next goal will be Crimea. The tasks with this option are the same.
    Only the military defeat of Ukraine can stop the war. But LDNR forces are not enough for the military defeat of Ukraine.
    1. Romey
      Romey 19 January 2018 15: 45
      +4
      Quote: Overlock

      If Ukraine takes the Donbass, the next goal will be Crimea. The tasks with this option are the same.
      Only the military defeat of Ukraine can stop the war. But LDNR forces are not enough for the military defeat of Ukraine.

      Late colleague! Too late. There is no certainty that even our regular armed forces will be able to cope with the armed forces with massive military assistance from the West. We missed a unique chance in 2014 and now, thanks to geniuses, we face difficult questions: what to do and who is to blame.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 19 January 2018 17: 46
        +2
        so I about the same! Hatters overpowered!
  12. Lnglr
    Lnglr 19 January 2018 12: 17
    +4
    Everyone sings odes to Putin’s foreign policy. Awesome foresight on the issue of Minsk relations.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 38
      0
      Quote: Lnglr
      Everyone sings odes to Putin’s foreign policy. Awesome foresight on the issue of Minsk relations.

      And what is wrong. This was all calculated, they there as spiders in the bank will destroy each other and we will get the territory free from fascism and Russophobia.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 19 January 2018 16: 25
        +3
        It will be so! just like spiders. They have power in Kiev. In Kiev, and all the showdown will be. tires will burn again before the Rada, torch gangs will walk the streets again. Shoot someone. Then the presidential chair will be released and they will destroy each other for it. And that means that near the borders of Novorossii and their units will fight each other. And if they nevertheless move east, they will get the teeth. Blame each other again. And finally fall apart completely. And we have nothing to do with it! Do you know why white lost in the 20th century? Of course, you know better than me. Elementary. Kolchak, Denikin, Krasnov, Czechs, English, Makhno, etc. Where is the single command. But it wasn’t. Because some are for Russia, others are for freedom, others are for the tsar, and others are simply robbed, fifths are for the constituent assembly, for the bald hell, for the earth, for the grub ... And now there is not the same thing? If not, then moves to that.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 19 January 2018 17: 57
        0
        but something went wrong
        1. Romey
          Romey 19 January 2018 19: 18
          +2
          Quote: Overlock
          but something went wrong

          The fifth year, this genocide continues, but the naive Albanians do not become less ... That's what the life-giving First Channel does ...
  13. Rusland
    Rusland 19 January 2018 13: 24
    +9
    They called us the aggressor, but we are all silent, Minsk is no more, and we are all waiting, I don’t know what.
  14. Petr1968
    Petr1968 19 January 2018 15: 37
    +2
    Quote: BecmepH
    Crimea was transferred to the Ukrainian SSR, but without documentary registration. It was, t.s., a gift.

    And Alaska ??
  15. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 19 January 2018 16: 13
    +3
    Quote: victorsh
    I repent. The first time I was delighted and drank a hundred for the law adopted by the Rada. And I VERY hopes our answer will not be just a "concern." Forgive the miners and oil workers. But it’s enough to measure EVERYTHING with profit. Stop supplying coal there. Their equipment uses Belarusian fuel that comes from ours oil. You can write a lot. It's a shame.


    But who sent the “scrap metal” (supposedly) to the dill from the Crimea, is it Belarus? Aspirin, in large doses. you can bring anyone, even a young person, to hemorrhages in the brain and death. What will pharmacists blame for early deaths from drug allergies, etc.?
  16. snku
    snku 19 January 2018 17: 10
    +1
    It's time to end with Ukraine. And "if the Chief Commander calls in the last battle = Uncle Vova we are with you!" We will Order Shoigu on 15 of March - on 16 of March we will be in Kiyovo



    dem
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 January 2018 19: 43
      +3
      Quote: snku
      It's time to end with Ukraine. And "if the Chief Commander calls in the last battle = Uncle Vova we are with you!" We will Order Shoigu on 15 of March - on 16 of March we will be in Kiyovo

      Well this is how many alternative-minded people have lately beaten up in VO. Just like a magnet pulls.
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 19 January 2018 17: 50
    +2
    Quote: Petr1968
    They did not ask for the composition of Russia

    requested. They were refused. Look for when
  18. Overlock
    Overlock 19 January 2018 17: 53
    +1
    Quote: romey
    A broader question can be posed: only Russia will remain to live, or only Ukraine.

    question edge. I agree with this interpretation
  19. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 19 January 2018 18: 13
    0
    What a twist! Can a war in the Donbass even become a pretext for declaring the "illegitimacy" of our elections? A very unexpected thought! To aggravate the situation ... yes, many have foreseen this, but so ... unbelievable. It turns out that the war will begin before the election, and then they will declare whatever they want, and introduce any sanctions. After all, they need our answer. And we don’t have the right to surrender the Donbass. It is necessary to prepare, persistently, and calculate all the options. No time!!!
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 19 January 2018 19: 42
      +1
      Quote: andrew 07
      Can a war in the Donbass even become a pretext for declaring the "illegitimacy" of our elections?

      Of course not.
  20. Lexus
    Lexus 19 January 2018 18: 22
    +1
    A horse runs across a furrow -
    I do not care -
    And she until ... "harness."

    I don’t give a damn what they took and still take. You need to do your job and not pay attention to dEbilov. And, moreover, do not depend on their debilitable solutions. And, if something is wrong, tap "on turnips" so that the brains fall into place.
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  22. Overlock
    Overlock 19 January 2018 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: Petr1968
    This was all calculated, they there as spiders in the bank will destroy each other and we will get the territory free from fascism and Russophobia.

    it's like the Papuans, lies under a palm tree and waits for the fruit to fall. But he does not fall. And then bang bang and on the head
  23. Normal ok
    Normal ok 19 January 2018 19: 41
    0
    But how much can one reprint the same nonsense ?! Poroshenko will not start a war! And the states do not need it now, before the election of Putin. After all, then Putin will receive truly full popular support and a non-passive electorate. After all, crisis resolution is Putin’s “hobbyhorse”. It is in times of crisis that it is indispensable.
  24. Overlock
    Overlock 19 January 2018 20: 17
    +2
    Quote: Normal ok
    After all, then Putin will receive truly full popular support and a non-passive electorate

    in case of victory. In the case of the destruction of LDNR, he receives a hole from a donut. To destroy LDNR, an APU exit to the border is needed.
  25. Antares
    Antares 20 January 2018 12: 19
    0
    The adoption of this law is the answer to the question of why US Special Representative for Ukraine Kurt Volker "disappeared". The US sanction on the war in the Donbass is Russia's response to the refusal to introduce "peacekeepers" to the Donbass in the Yugoslav scenario, with a massacre in Srebrenica. 80% The probability of a war in the Donbas, given by Volcker, turns into 100%. That is, the Americans insist on a massacre in the Donbas, now by military means.

    He is not lost. We agreed with Surkov at the beginning of 2018. Even RBC wrote about the effectiveness of this channel (Medvechuk / Volker / Surkov channels are much better than Minsk)
    anti-corruption ultimatum by Diana Francis of the “Atlantic Council”.

    Poroshenko then the radicals put the ultumatum, then the APU, then the aliens are kind, then, in short, everyone wants something from him and he runs to Spain with suitcases. Again 25 ... Are there any other ways to describe #Warrow soon. Warming up interest in the topic is somehow monotonous.
    And the real Fuhrer of Bandera will lead to the battle, there are candidates, at least take Arseniy Yatsenyuk, why not the Fuhrer? An integral nationalist to the bone marrow, the image was replaced by a sternly warlike, with a beard and stubble, moreover, he had just arrived in Ukraine from the city of Los Angeles, rested ... Avakov and Turchinov are his best friends.

    I learn the subject - the junta, Bandera, the Fuhrer .... Are you and Elena writing from more than one office? Is that analytics? Or a divorce on emotions?
    Russia is interested in exacerbation in the Donbass, because “it’s profitable for Putin,” distracts from real problems

    Russia in the person of the people is not interested, but the people decide little. But the authorities are very. Ukraine is very convenient. Just take a look and keep quiet about local inconsistencies.
    If Ukraine did not exist, it should be invented (s)
    declare illegitimate the election of the president of Russia.

    The regime in the Russian Federation is more beneficial to them than ever. They play their part, they pay money.
    The author: Viktor Kamenev

    wrote a comment without even seeing the author, for always the style is constant.
  26. flicker
    flicker 20 January 2018 22: 32
    +3
    The Minsk agreements have already helped us, they have helped Ukraine, but the Americans have lost a lot from these agreements. That is why they are the most active in terms of breaking these agreements (neither Germany, nor France, nor Russia, nor Ukraine insisted on breaking them). And the United States is just trying to break these agreements
    ukroSMI reported that a "law on reintegration" was being written with the participation of American advisers, or perhaps under their guidance?

    why such agility? Ukraine is not eager to fight, but the USA is just losing its temper. Why such a psychosis in our "partners"? In my memory, as Obliv Poslp Maidana, mockingly congratulated Putin on the successes of the Russian Olympians. Then - a smirk, and now - psychosis. It turns out that over these 4 incomplete years, events occurred that markedly shook the position of the world hegemon. The hegemonic image disappears, and with it the influence, it is still strong, but it is far from what it was in 2014. Poroshenko is already trying to sabotage the decisions of his American masters. Was this possible 3 years ago? Who knows, maybe during this time the brain of the Svidomo elite has changed.
  27. Nemesis
    Nemesis 21 January 2018 18: 44
    0
    The Minsk agreements were originally a drain of the interests of Russia and the Russian people and the signatories should be brought to the tribunal!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 18: 57
      +4
      Quote: Nemesis
      The Minsk agreements were originally a drain of the interests of Russia and the Russian people and signatories should be brought to the tribunal

      Goddess,
      What exactly is the drain? Have you read these agreements at least once?
      (aside, in a whisper): now the Goddess will start ... hissing and plevamsta ... in fact there will be no answer, stopudovo request
      1. onix757
        onix757 21 January 2018 19: 02
        +1
        Probably the conservation status quo is meant.
        In this situation, we get either a blitzkriek in the future or a war of attrition. It’s not going to take a ride with Ukraine now, but meanwhile, people in Dombass have a hope for a normal life.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 19: 07
          +4
          I try not to feed the trolls,
          But what can you do from boredom ... (c)
          Quote: onix757
          Probably meaning conservation status quo

          You definitely have not read the Miski Agreements. Never and never.
          Quote: onix757
          ... blitzcry... on toмbass ...

          Amused thanks
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      2. Nemesis
        Nemesis 21 January 2018 19: 07
        0
        The Minsk agreements never prevented Ukraine from destroying the Russian population in the Donbas with artillery shelling and modernizing its army. To train and equip it ... So what do you see the benefit for Russia in the Minsk agreements ?! However, I have not been waiting for a reasonable answer from you and your kind of people ... I do not expect any reasonable actions from the party in power either. I have been disappointed in it for a long time and finally.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 19: 17
          +4
          Quote: Nemesis
          The Minsk agreements have never bothered Ukraine ...

          Um ... they also didn't bother LDNR ...

          But this is not about that.
          You, as always, answer the wrong question. I repeat:
          Quote: Nemesis
          The Minsk agreements were originally a drain of the interests of Russia and the Russian people

          Question (attention!): What exactly do you see the "drain"?
          1. Nemesis
            Nemesis 21 January 2018 19: 21
            +1
            The destruction of the Russian people in the Donbass ... Which Putin and the company did not and do not hinder ... And the Minsk agreements are empty talk ... and the talk is harmful to the Russian people.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 19: 36
              +3
              Quote: Nemesis
              The Minsk agreements are empty talk ... and the talk is harmful to the Russian people

              It’s getting wet on Coke, start over ...
              Goddess, from repeating "halva" a hundred times, she will not become sweeter in her mouth.
              What - specifically - is the "drain of the interests of the Russian people"?
              1. Nemesis
                Nemesis 21 January 2018 19: 45
                +1
                You seem to be mocking me ... Farewell ... If regular shelling and genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass and other Russian regions, actually occupied by Ukraine, do not harm the interests of the Russian people, then there’s nothing to talk about with people like you ... Let the military courts communicate with people like you ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 19: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  You seem to be kidding me ...

                  Not yet.
                  But the speakers who are not responsible for their speech, I really do not like.
                  Quote: Nemesis
                  The Minsk agreements were originally a drain of the interests of Russia and the Russian people

                  For now ... Goddess laughing
  28. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 22 January 2018 10: 13
    +1
    They will push Ukraine to war with us only if they believe that our intervention will not exceed the borders of the Donbass, if we make it clear that in the event of a war we will go further, to Kiev and the lions, then Ukraine will not be allowed to fight with us. that Ukraine will become ours for a long time, and we won’t be given such a gift. This must be made clear for sure, otherwise a blow to the Donbass is inevitable.