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When will Russia really stop giving up?

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When will Russia really stop giving up?



It is very difficult to write when you feel like a traitor. A traitor, although he did not betray anyone. But there is a feeling of involvement in this vile act. Today I understand the condition of those soldiers and officers who were part of the Vlasov shock army and survived after the meat grinder offensive and encirclement. Betrayal commander as a stigma on all soldiers of the army.

And here we have another similar thing.

But it is even more offensive when those who are screaming about “we don’t throw ours” at every corner betray. Screams in unison with all of us. Why, the Russians not only do not abandon their own, but also rescue others. We heroically protect all of humanity. We are not pampered Western sybarites, we are humanists and humanity to the core. Even the ribs ...

And we specifically betrayed. Russia. For each of us is an integral part of the country. And they betrayed a simple Ukrainian boy. I would like to say that the boy who went to defend his house.

Although he was not at home. Pupil boarding. The house he has yet to build. Build if we are aware of our betrayal and will not let the meanness happen. Our meanness ...

Despite the fact that we have more than once considered such cases and were not always on the side of those who fell under the skating rink of our justice, this case, honestly, like freshly cut acid.

So, my, our country must pass into the hands of the Ukrainian law enforcement officers the militiamen who defended Slavyansk, was in Makeyevka, 9 fought for days in Sparta. Yes, just 9 days. He would have fought further, but a wound and a severe contusion. Otvoyvalsya.

Nikolai Tregub. Born in Vinnitsa. 28 years. He was educated in a boarding school. Activist "Antimaydana." Information, by the way, from the Ukrainian site "Peacemaker" that does not exist for our court.



Tregub already sits in the Ukrainian colony of strict regime. True, in fact, his twin brother Andrew is sitting. 9 years as a bush for participating in terrorist groups, in which he never participated. But in the SBU notable craftsmen work. Signed all charges. Sits for brother.

Just a few hours ago, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted in the second reading the presidential bill on the reintegration of Donbass. Took almost in the form required by the nationalists. And now Nicholas ten will not get off. Now he is an outcast. Now he is nobody. In Ukraine and Russia.

Many of the readers resent the practice of issuing militias to Ukraine. Outraged by the decision of the courts. Outraged by the apparent injustice. Outraged by sending a person to death or torture. And why? We are building a state of law. We do not abandon their own. And so on in the text until exhaustion.

We are good. Is our court a bad one?

The court relies in its decisions on the legislation of the Russian Federation and by-laws. So, according to the law, we are doing everything right! Ours, which we “do not give up,” are handed over to the craftsmen of the SBU on the basis of the Minsk Convention on Legal Assistance 1993.

According to this document, we are obliged to transfer criminal offenders to Ukraine for investigation and trial. Like this. And they, respectively, to us. Now think: Is it difficult to accuse a person of a criminal offense during a civil war? On the machines moved? That means hijacking. Shot at the enemy? So he tried to kill.

And now the question to the normally minded. Is the state that emerged after the coup d'état is the successor of the ousted? Do treaties and agreements that have been signed remain in force?

I foresee a "tricky question." Putin recognized Ukraine! So, all the thoughts of the authors - is nonsense. But no. We have an organization that may be higher. Court. Yes, our Russian court. All the same, more than once mentioned.

So, December 27 2016, the Dorogomilovsky Court of the City of Moscow made a number of decisions, which clearly described the events in Kiev in 2014, the coup d'état.

Therefore, after this court decision Kiev Maidan is a priori a coup d'état. So, the convention is no longer valid due to the illegitimacy of the government of Ukraine and of itself as a state.

In principle, for Nicholas, all these subtleties are not important. For him, further life is important. And in the case of transmission - death. And for us it is important to understand why a wounded and contused militiaman should be extradited to Ukraine. Why all pity him, but will be given.

Tell a long history the ordeal of a contused, barely hearing person, without money in distant Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky will not. A man from December 2014 to March 2015, despite the assurances of the big chiefs of the FMS, was waiting for a decision of his fate. After refusing to grant a residence permit, as was prescribed, he left Kamchatka. In a two-week period.

Next - the capital of our country. Two years of attempts to submit documents for legalization. Two years! Many of our readers know what a heavy concussion is. And they can imagine what Nikolai experienced in bureaucratic offices. After the Afghan "I did not send you there" lives and thrives.

Deaf Ukrainian without the support of the powerful. A guy with a specific vision of the world, brought up in a boarding school. Not a hero of television broadcasts. Not a colorful screen star. On the contrary. Just some ordinary, unnoticeable. Even some shy. And "on the throat take" can not. Smiles and looks with clear eyes at the official.

Submitted? Yes, it was the case, we repeatedly ran into those who "flew" and who should have been deported. Who "forgot" to extend the residence permit, carried away by political activities. It was not arguing.

But for these, loud-voiced, for some reason it is not insulting. For Nicholas - very.

No, he was not alone. For a whole year many people tried to help. This, too, must be remembered. They "rammed" bureaucratic cabinets. They hustled in numerous public reception offices all in a row. They fought. Even our fellow journalists fought. And ... lost. Nikolai is in jail and the court decision on extradition is in his hands.

And we will fight. We will fight for our brother. A soldier soldier is always a brother. Even if you have never been in the same trench. Just the soldiers of this war on one side, the owners of large and small bureaucratic cabinets - on the other. That's all.

What, gentlemen officials, crazy not enough to execute the decision of the court? The one about which we wrote above. But sure, there were other similar ones. Not crazy enough to read an old, already faded document? We are about the very convention on human rights from 3 September 1953 of the year. There are items for a child at all. And so the officials should even understand. You are civilized people. Salt of the earth, one might say.

Well, you can not extradite people in cases where they may unlawfully be subjected to torture and persecution. It is impossible! Or do you think that Nikolai Tregub will be sent to a sanatorium for treatment?

Yes, today we almost lost. The life of a good guy hangs in the balance. One life. One good guy. How many are there? We will betray one, but then, perhaps, we will save two or three ...

Nasty taste like that.

There is no such arithmetic with the soldiers. Betrayal in pieces or heads is not measured. Betrayal is either there or not. Today we betrayed twin. We are all Russians. Will we continue to beat ourselves in the chest with cries of "Do not throw your Russians"? Or really do not leave one of his? We will not leave. I think you, dear readers, also agree.

It is urgent to change the law. And the sooner the better. Until we really became traitors.

Difficult, I understand, it is very difficult to approach each case individually.

But what the hell is that for what then state officials from the FMS get their salaries and pensions? I don’t even want to talk about judges.

It is clear that the same Mr. Tsarev, who had sunk into the historical past, designed everything easily and naturally and now enjoys the income from his hotels in Yalta and heroin.

And it is also clear that the contused and half-stricken graduate of a boarding school in Vinnitsa could not do this. For many reasons. And with education is bad, and with health. And where did you go? On Kamchatka. Why? And because, in principle, no matter where. This country could become Nicholas home anywhere.

But she did not.

And it does not even sad. This gives rise to the understanding of complicity in the betrayal of a little man who could live in peace in his winery and not particularly grieve. But he preferred a different way of developing his life.

And there are many such Ukrainians.

We need to stop betraying our own. In fact, not in words. We need to comply with the 1953 convention of the year regarding Donbas militias born in that Ukraine. We need the courts to recognize the information on the Peacemaker in the same way as the Ukrainian courts and the SBU recognize it.

And finally, you need to stop issuing your own.

This is what we need. Honest Russian people. Just to still feel honest and Russian. Who do not throw their own.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 19 January 2018 06: 22 New
    10
    This is the most shameful feature.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 19 January 2018 09: 51 New
      +3
      From the point of view of Russian law, everything is done according to the law, and why is this person our militia?
      No, don’t think that I would have been extradited to Ukraine, but we have the law, we have an agreement on the mutual extradition of criminals, we invite the Kiev authorities, so that everything is in accordance with the law, and there’s no one to expect justice from ... ..
      1. onix757
        onix757 19 January 2018 09: 53 New
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        This would be true if the law were all equal. But we only have laws for people like this poor fellow.
        1. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 19 January 2018 12: 24 New
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          Quote: onix757
          This would be true if the law were all equal.

          "To His - everything, to the rest - the law" (C)
        2. Michael_59
          Michael_59 19 January 2018 16: 11 New
          +9
          The law is based on justice. She's not here.
        3. Lexus
          Lexus 19 January 2018 16: 47 New
          17
          This would be true if the law were all equal. But we only have laws for people like this poor fellow.

          The amazing "integrity" of the judicial system. As if there was no Vasilyeva, "gilded avtobotla" and others.
        4. vorysgelo
          vorysgelo 10 February 2018 10: 29 New
          0
          Our laws are written on the armor of a tank that shot people’s power in 1993, which rode the bodies of dead defenders of the Supreme Council. And on the armor of which these humiliating laws were written, depriving it of sovereignty.
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 19 January 2018 10: 24 New
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        If, according to the law, it is “supposed to be extradited”, well, our president, supposedly a fan of the rule of law, say “LDNR is Ukraine”, well, “extort” his LDNR, even if handcuffed, at least to the “law enforcement agencies”. But in parallel Hang those who denied him Russian citizenship, although any “person of Central Asian nationality” with the letter H, in five minutes they receive Russian citizenship and are not issued anywhere am . And already to give out to the fighter - Russian citizenship and "allow" to return to Russia and already NOT WHERE to give it (by law).
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 19 January 2018 11: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Mih1974
          say “LDNR is Ukraine’s”, well, so “extrude” its LDNR,

          Criminals are not given to regions but to countries, it would be strange if, for example, Ukraine, upon request from Russia, extradited a criminal to the authorities of the Tver region, explaining that he had committed crimes there. Therefore, since we recognize the integrity of Ukraine, we extradite criminals to the central authorities
          1. Vladimir16
            Vladimir16 19 January 2018 14: 14 New
            +8
            Quote: RUSS
            Criminals are not given to regions but to countries, it would be strange if, for example, Ukraine, upon request from Russia, extradited a criminal to the authorities of the Tver region

            That's how it is, but that's just not so!
            A person will be transferred precisely to a particular region, or rather transferred to a specific place. So that you just fly like a snake. Explicitly speaking on the side of the junta.
          2. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 19 January 2018 16: 19 New
            +5
            If we recognize integrity, then will we issue from Crimea?
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 01: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: RUSS
            it would be strange if, for example, Ukraine, upon request from Russia, extradited a criminal to the authorities of the Tver region

            It would be strange if Ukraine GENERALLY extradited someone to Russia, despite the PROVEN criminal offense! What - a lot of them, at our request, who passed on ?! But a lot of criminal cases were instituted, and the courts took place, and appealed to Interpol .. what did they show us? Great avilo - genital organ! Male..
        2. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 13: 13 New
          0
          Ok and then? Ukraine will not let him in (arrest), Russia too (DNR does not recognize)
        3. Ajevgenij
          Ajevgenij 19 January 2018 21: 46 New
          11
          Yes exactly. For 10 years I tried to get the Russian citizenship from Russia, things are still there, although my pedigree is from Bryansk. For that, yes, they brought a bunch of slaves from Central Asia. So alas, while Raska, not Russia.
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 20 January 2018 02: 00 New
            +3
            So alas, while Raska, not Russia.


            if it were my will, they wouldn’t give another 10 years. While the "rashka" in the head sits offended
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 21 January 2018 01: 23 New
              +5
              Quote: s-t Petrov
              While the "rashka" in the head sits offended

              Absolutely in the spirit of the current bureaucratic army, argue, sir! If they had gone through at least half of what RUSSIAN had to endure, trying to return to their historical homeland, they would have sung differently.
              In this case, the person with the word "rashka" described just that absolutely numb and bruised army of bureaucrats to whom the law is not written, because they are "gods" in their seats, and they decide who to "execute" whom to "pardon".
          2. CALL.
            CALL. 22 January 2018 05: 22 New
            +2
            For that, yes, they brought a bunch of slaves from Central Asia. So alas, while Raska, not Russia.

            Unfortunately, people of a "democratic" nationality still rule us. Salvage is boiled here, and they are going to live "there."
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 19 January 2018 10: 52 New
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        Quote: RUSS
        we have an extradition treaty

        So how is it? Ukraine transferred many criminals to Russia? But there are such people - both in the Right Sector and in Azov, who were recognized as criminals in the Russian Federation
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 19 January 2018 11: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: RUSS
          we have an extradition treaty

          So how is it? Ukraine transferred many criminals to Russia? But there are such people - both in the Right Sector and in Azov, who were recognized as criminals in the Russian Federation

          The question of how to relate to the law
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 19 January 2018 12: 04 New
            +4
            The question of how to relate to the law
            What law? And then you can agree that Krymnenash?
        2. Antares
          Antares 20 January 2018 11: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          So how is it? Ukraine transferred many criminals to Russia?

          read
          Over the past three years, 70 people have been extradited from Russia to Ukraine, and more than 30 people have been extradited from Ukraine to Russia. This was announced by Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yevgeny Yenin during a briefing by the Prosecutor General's Office “Extradition of criminals takes place at land checkpoints on the border with the Russian Federation by mutual agreement of the parties. Today, extradition statistics are in favor of Ukraine: over the past three years, the Russian side handed over to us about 70 At the same time, Ukraine extradited more than 30 offenders to Russia, "he said. Enin specified that there is no alternative to cooperation with Russia on the extradition of violators. Although he is not sure that Ukraine needs criminals who have committed serious or very serious crimes in Russia.

          but about Russian requests
          And the number of satisfied requests increased by 42%: from 66 to 94. According to these statistics, the competent authorities of foreign countries satisfy about 40% of requests. Among the most responsive countries are Belarus (56 satisfied requests over the past year and a half), Kazakhstan (39 requests), Ukraine (36) and Montenegro (10). Most often, criminals try to hide in the near abroad, explained Alexander Kupriyanov, deputy head of the extradition department of the Prosecutor General’s Office. Successfully developing cooperation with Spain, Germany, France, Austria. In the last year or two, criminals began to leave more often for completely exotic countries: Ecuador, Peru, Argentina, Chile or Morocco, but cooperation with them is gradually improving, Kupriyanov rejoices: for example, they managed to get him extradited from Iraq. In turn, the Prosecutor General of Russia over the past five years has decided to extradite approximately 5000 people. We were given 900 people
      4. def89
        def89 19 January 2018 11: 42 New
        +6
        Let's plant volunteers! Responsibility for mercenaries is spelled out in the Criminal Code. After all, the rule of law. I’m going to dry crackers and collect things, they will suddenly come with a warrant.
      5. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 January 2018 12: 38 New
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        What, then, did not Yanukovych and his comrades give out? According to Ukrainian laws, he is still a criminal.
        The cynicism of the highest standard.
        But the aul-kishlach contingent from the CIS is always welcome, yes FMSniki? And for the money, you can not know the Russian language. EdRo installations in action, it is necessary to dilute the Russian population with foreigners and Gentiles, and other chocks.
        And then it’s scary when the Russian riot ...
        1. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 19 January 2018 20: 53 New
          +5
          And aerobatics. when immigrants from Azerbaijan instantly receive citizenship and, as a bonus, disability and all “balne” people are on the market
        2. your1970
          your1970 23 January 2018 09: 59 New
          0
          Quote: Pax tecum
          But the aul-kishlach contingent from the CIS is always welcome, yes FMSniki? And for the money, you can not know the Russian language. EdRo installations in action, it is necessary to dilute the Russian population with foreigners and Gentiles, and other chocks.
          - a lot of likes, yes? but nothing - that the FMS has not existed in nature for 2 years and from the previous staff to work in the police (in the passport system) from certified 12% they took ??? There are no FMS officers there - in the current police, no ...
      6. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 January 2018 12: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: RUSS
        From the point of view of Russian law, everything is done according to the law, and why is this person our militia? .....


        What, then, did not Yanukovych and his comrades give out? According to Ukrainian laws, he is still a criminal.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 19 January 2018 13: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Pax tecum
          What, then, did not Yanukovych and his comrades give out? According to Ukrainian laws, he is still a criminal.

          "Yanukovych is a legitimate lawful president and he has not committed crimes, there is no reason to decide whether to extradite Yanukovych," RIA Novosti quoted Mr. Chayka as saying.

          Also, the Russian prosecutor general noted that the current Ukrainian government is illegal. “There are a lot of questions regarding the power that is in Ukraine today. A bunch of crimes committed during these events, ”Mr. Chaika emphasized.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 01: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: RUSS
            Also, the Russian prosecutor general noted that the current Ukrainian government is illegal.

            Well? .. WHAT then to give them a militia, knowing in advance WHAT they will do to him ?!
            In between, a direct contradiction to international law, for which Mr. President so advocates!
        2. Igor Polovodov
          Igor Polovodov 19 January 2018 13: 57 New
          +1
          who will give such a trump card ...
      7. sled35
        sled35 19 January 2018 14: 14 New
        +2
        Why didn’t they give Yanukovych?
        1. Antares
          Antares 20 January 2018 11: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: sled35
          Why didn’t they give Yanukovych?

          "we do not abandon our own." smile
          However, there was only a request for it. He is not condemned.
      8. volot-voin
        volot-voin 19 January 2018 15: 04 New
        +7
        Quote: RUSS
        No, don’t think that I would have been extradited to Ukraine, but we have a Verkhovensto law

        Well, who after this will believe such a state? I completely agree with the author ..... shame on our heads.
      9. V. Salama
        V. Salama 19 January 2018 15: 32 New
        +8
        Quote: RUSS
        With ... and why is this militia our man? ...

        Has he yet received citizenship? We must do it - it will be ours.
        Quote: RUSS
        C ...., but we have Verkhovenstovo law, we have an agreement on the mutual extradition of criminals ...

        The rule of law over what, over common sense, over its letter or spirit? That's where the problem of lack of ideology comes out, my ...
        Do you think he is a criminal? If the authorities think so, then this reveals her motivation, and all the militias of the LPR, DPR, in her opinion, are criminals. Therefore, those who are called "putinsil" are right.
      10. 320423
        320423 19 January 2018 23: 51 New
        +4
        Here is the main question, but who makes the laws? And who voted for EP in the elections, which now have a constitutional majority !!!
    2. Vadim Golubkov
      Vadim Golubkov 19 January 2018 13: 17 New
      +4
      This is party policy.
  2. elenagromova
    elenagromova 19 January 2018 06: 26 New
    27
    Join now. As a last resort, if we are to expel, then to Donetsk or Lugansk - but not on the territory controlled by the junta. Yes, at least, to give the same status as Snowden, on the same basis - you can not extradite a person to where he faces persecution.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 January 2018 09: 09 New
      27
      It is necessary to expel such power, and not militias or ordinary citizens of Ukraine.
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 19 January 2018 10: 27 New
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        If by law in Russia it is possible to show films about the "achievements" of Bender’s geeks, then you do not have to burn a movie theater, but the CHANGE fool . Well, to send that power that up to this point THESE law has not changed. good
      2. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ 19 January 2018 12: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: NordUral
        It is necessary to send such power.

        Everything's Alright. Now again, Vladimir Vladimirovich will organize some kind of “KRYMNASH” and everyone will forget everything, and they will begin to write His post again with a capital letter.
    2. Antares
      Antares 20 January 2018 11: 30 New
      0
      Quote: elenagromova
      As a last resort, if you are to send, then to Donetsk or Lugansk - but not to the territory controlled by the junta.

      Extradition of criminals takes place at land checkpoints on the border with the Russian Federation by mutual agreement of the parties
      Especially for you - Our respected Ukrainian partners, the best choice of the Ukrainian people and the legitimate recognized authority of the Russian Federation itself.
      1. elenagromova
        elenagromova 20 January 2018 15: 58 New
        0
        What crime did he commit? Also, what is overdue stay?
        1. Antares
          Antares 21 January 2018 00: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: elenagromova
          What crime did he commit? Also, what is overdue stay?

          Failure to meet the deadlines is a rather serious crime. He’s soldered the ban for 5 years!
          I laid out screenshots of decisions and petitions. There is only a violation of the deadlines - a fine, deportation, a ban on 5 years in the Russian Federation.
    3. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 20 January 2018 12: 10 New
      0
      Is that so? To send a criminal to a place where he is not threatened with persecution? And for what then they expel him, excuse me?
      1. elenagromova
        elenagromova 20 January 2018 15: 57 New
        0
        He is not a criminal. He is accused not of a crime, but of violating immigration laws.
        1. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 20 January 2018 16: 09 New
          0
          He was in the militia. Shot people there?
          Declares yes. If so, he is a criminal. Everything is simple.
          1. elenagromova
            elenagromova 20 January 2018 20: 33 New
            +1
            The criminals are those who shelled the Donbass. And he - defended.
          2. karish
            karish 20 January 2018 20: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: elenagromova
            He is not a criminal. He is accused not of a crime, but of violating immigration laws.

            And what did he do in Russia?
            I would sit on my priest exactly in LDNR. What escaped from there, what did he seem to be defending?
            1. seal78
              seal78 21 January 2018 12: 47 New
              0
              I also do not really understand this.
          3. Andy
            Andy 23 January 2018 14: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Dr_Engie
            He was in the militia. Shot people there?
            Declares yes. If so, he is a criminal. Everything is simple.

            but the bandit Kadyrov is Putin's friend. draw conclusions
  3. parma
    parma 19 January 2018 06: 46 New
    +1
    Then they started talking about the court’s decision on the Maidan ... So, after that the elections were held and the heads of state and parliament (by the way, recognized the results of the Russian Federation), so the government is legitimately legitimate for us now ... And that means the court is kind of legally sound The decision was made, another question is why he did not file for the polit. shelter? I think there is something else besides simple disorder ... Not everyone in the east is holy ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 January 2018 09: 07 New
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      Do we ourselves have legitimate power? At a referendum on the preservation or dissolution of the USSR, then the Union Citizens voted for the Union to be. But the criminal government neglected the will of the people. And it was at this moment that we turned into a population of sheep for shearing and fooling. Which continues to this day.
      1. parma
        parma 19 January 2018 11: 04 New
        +5
        If you think the Russian government is not legitimate, do not recognize the collapse of the USSR, you can burn your passport, declare yourself a citizen of the USSR (and maybe this state does not exist, you will be stateless) ... But for some reason, everyone here is like you hunters and hunters in Soviet times, at one time they sat in one place exactly, they were silent, and now go to illegitimate elections, get a salary in the tickets of the Bank of Russia (and if such a strange one is not legitimate for you, then this money should be pieces of paper for you) .. But no, you have to sit and growl that corrupt people * have torn apart a glorious past, and where were you yourself at that time?
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 19 January 2018 20: 55 New
          +8
          The answer in the style of "myself ....." does not give you a person of great mind. And the comrade is absolutely right.
        2. freddyk
          freddyk 21 January 2018 13: 33 New
          +3
          If you think the Russian government is not legitimate, do not recognize the collapse of the USSR, you can burn your passport, declare yourself a citizen of the USSR (and maybe this state does not exist, you will be stateless) ... But for some reason, everyone here is like you hunters and hunters in Soviet times, at one time they sat in one place exactly, they were silent, and now go to illegitimate elections, get a salary in the tickets of the Bank of Russia (and if such a strange one is not legitimate for you, then this money should be pieces of paper for you) .. But no, you have to sit and growl that corrupt people * have torn apart a glorious past, and where were you yourself at that time?


          You're not right. For example, I sat on the priest for exactly three days at the Kubinka airfield as part of the combined regiment 98VDD. And it’s not our fault that we never received an order to disperse all this galloping riffraff. The USSR was betrayed by the supreme power, and you are well aware of this.
          1. parma
            parma 22 January 2018 09: 07 New
            0
            Quote: freddyk
            You're not right. For example, I sat on the priest for exactly three days at the Kubinka airfield as part of the combined regiment 98VDD. And it’s not our fault that we never received an order to disperse all this galloping riffraff. The USSR was betrayed by the supreme power, and you are well aware of this.

            Sorry, but I’m just talking about this ... You were sitting at the airport, someone was at home in front of the TV set and they all thought together, they’ll resolve without me, they will decide for me ... So they decided .... Where were you all dissenters who voted to preserve the Union when it was destroyed? For some reason, the crowd screaming "Yeltsin, democracy, freedom" in the streets were and were ready to defend their Wishlist, but the rest were not ... The same with Ukraine ... Where people were not sitting at home (LDNR), they changed power (this, incidentally, applies to both halves of the country), and who is not there, they have not been heard ....
            As for the guy, yes, sorry for him, but we seem to be neutral, and we recognize Kiev and help the Donbass, so what do you want from the government?
      2. your1970
        your1970 23 January 2018 10: 04 New
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        At a referendum on the preservation or dissolution of the USSR, then the Union Citizens voted for the Union to be. But the criminal government neglected the will of the people.
        - by the will of 16 million of the population of the USSR (communists) was elected M.S. Gorbachev, EBN was elected POPULAR. What kind of people - such and such power
  4. Naputeon bonaput
    Naputeon bonaput 19 January 2018 07: 01 New
    +1
    When they cease to think that the Russian Spring will become an Antisystem revolution i.e. never.
  5. Olgovich
    Olgovich 19 January 2018 07: 14 New
    31
    What bestiality-betray своих people to the Nazis! The mind is incomprehensible!
    But the real bandits are conditional terms. There are no words ....
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 19 January 2018 08: 56 New
      12
      We, for them, are not ours.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 19 January 2018 08: 57 New
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      I’ll write again - neither the militia, nor we, the citizens of the Russian Federation, are not ours, we are strangers to these. Just sheep for a haircut and a fainted electorate at the time of redistribution (among their own) resources.
      As for the authorities, I don’t even know what to say. The regional committee, we now have a Faitington on the bridge, these only rule on commands. But they hang up patriotic noodles on our ears and frighten us with bulk and Ksyusha, but in reality they themselves are liberals, enemies of the people.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 19 January 2018 10: 08 New
        +9
        Quote: NordUral
        I’ll write again - neither the militia, nor we, the citizens of the Russian Federation, are not ours, we are strangers to these. Just sheep for a haircut and a fainted electorate at the time of redistribution (among their own) resources.
        Naturally, the other day, in the news, Bout was turned aside to the arms dealer, who is sitting in the USA, they were refused medical assistance, while hypocritically silently about Kvachkov, who at the same time was also not given a doctor, but already in our prison, he had a specialist connect to write a complaint
        https://pdsnpsr.ru/news/politicheskie-repressii/k
        averin-vn-obrashhenie-o-gospitalizacii-vv-kvach
        kova_02012018
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 19 January 2018 09: 03 New
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      So organized crime groups are in power, what do we want? Vote for Putin? Then why are you surprised? Maybe we wake up, otherwise we will fall asleep in a blissful bliss that we will never know that there is no country anymore. neither us!
      We have a chance to vote for Pavel Grudinin. And this chance is in any case better than slow dying with the Putin regime.
      1. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 19 January 2018 20: 59 New
        0
        Radish horseradish is not sweeter. I listened to how Grudinin stated. what kind of peace he was with everyone and did not understand. if you are driven from all markets and stifled with sanctions. then you need to go with posters for peace?
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 19 January 2018 07: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: A. Staver, R. Skomorokhov
    And now a question for normally thinking. Is the state that emerged after the coup d'etat the successor to the ousted one?

    Yes, there are many examples. Take at least our 1993 coup and the subsequent coups in our former republics. All these coups were committed contrary to the will of the people. The successor to the USSR in full became Russia.
    ps. DNR / LC are not eager to join Russia. They, unlike the Crimea, in their referenda voted for independence not only from Ukraine, but also from Russia.
    1. Mikhail Filippov
      Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 13: 18 New
      +5
      Well, right. You would ask the locals. And our correspondents asked around and the locals answered that they do not need a DNI, they want to go to Russia. DNR was only an intermediate stage.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 19 January 2018 15: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Mikhail Filippov
        DNR was only an intermediate stage.

        Three years how in between? You are already determined quickly - you are here or there, otherwise it is neither here nor there.
        1. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 15: 26 New
          +4
          You know, when I studied at a driving school and was driving around the city, I stood at the crossroads and was getting ready to turn left. A truck stood in front of me and was also preparing to turn left. I thought to rush after him, to which the instructor told me not to do this - they would let the truck pass, but you are not a fact. Then the Crimea acted as a “truck”. Anarchy reigned in Ukraine, she was not ready to fight, polite people were not expected. And with Donbass the unexpected came out. They hoped for a repetition of the Crimean situation and saw the end - yes, joining Russia (mind you, everyone said this not to Ukrainian media, but to LDNRovskys). But Ukraine has already been waiting for this. The truth prepared badly, but ... waited. And we have a war. I say "we" because indirectly we participate in it - our technology, our experts ... and our loot. And yes, 3 years. It would go faster and quieter - and our country would grow and the Donbass
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 19 January 2018 16: 09 New
      +7
      Quote: Boris55
      .
      ps. DNR / LC are not eager to join Russia. They, unlike the Crimea, in their referenda voted for independence not only from Ukraine, but also from Russia.

      A normal reaction of a healthy body. The reason is the same because of constant friction with Belarus. After the leadership of the LPR and the DPR announced at the time that it was building a “social state without oligarchs,” our government’s pressure to support them fell sharply and the media reacted accordingly. It is clear that after this, the issue of accession could only become the result of the corresponding bargaining, which could be successful only if the declared principle was rejected. Why should our oligarchy feed socialism at its side? Yes, and people see through examples what oligarchs can do with the national economy, and therefore voted for independence. There will be no oligarchs - they will be part of Russia.
      1. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 16: 56 New
        +3
        Russia in general wants to push them to Ukraine on its own terms
  7. Vard
    Vard 19 January 2018 07: 53 New
    +2
    We here at the very beginning fidgeted ... raised money ... Yes, and bought something where ... a few tanks ... it’s clear why and to whom ... And now we are sitting like a mouse under a broom ...
  8. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 19 January 2018 07: 58 New
    18
    When will Russia really stop giving up?

    Russia is not Russia. And the Russians are foreign to her.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 January 2018 08: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Dzmicer
      Russia is not Russia. And the Russians are foreign to her.

      Nikolay Tregub - Ukrainian and at the place of birth and passport.
      1. Dzmicer
        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 08: 17 New
        16
        From the point of view of a Soviet person or a Russian citizen of a young 27-year-old post-Soviet state, yes.
        From the point of view of a Russian man, both Ukraine and Belarus are artificial entities, with artificial identities, fictitious languages ​​and stories, illegally torn away from Russia by territories with the Russian population, which have been washed for decades with Svidomo and Square.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 19 January 2018 09: 11 New
          +2
          Quote: Dzmicer
          From the point of view of the Soviet man ...

          And from the point of view of the Bible, we all descended from Adam and Eve, and so what?
          Every nation deserves that power, which then has it.
          1. Dzmicer
            Dzmicer 19 January 2018 09: 28 New
            11
            Every nation deserves that power, which then has it.

            The logic of the serf. "Whatever the owner is - you deserve it. You need to work more and more diligently for the owner - maybe then he will beat less, it is better to feed and less likely to rape your wife"
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 19 January 2018 09: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Dzmicer
              The logic of the serf.

              "Practice is the criterion of truth"
              No - this is the logic of life, and Ukraine is an example of this. If the people of Crimea wanted to have another power, he has it. If Donbass wanted to have another power, he has it. If all other Ukraine wanted to have this power, it has it.
              1. Dzmicer
                Dzmicer 19 January 2018 09: 46 New
                +1
                The people are not a subject, therefore your argument is fundamentally wrong.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 19 January 2018 10: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Dzmicer
                  The people are not a subject, therefore your argument is fundamentally wrong.

                  An object chooses a subject based on its worldview, formed in it by the subject. The main thing in this sentence is the first two words - the object selects.
                  1. Dzmicer
                    Dzmicer 19 January 2018 10: 35 New
                    0
                    >> Object selects
                    >> based on your worldview
                    >> formed by the subject
                    It turns out the subject chooses the subject.
                    Choice is an action, and no conscious action for an object is possible by definition.
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 19 January 2018 10: 50 New
                      0
                      Quote: Dzmicer
                      Choice is an action, and no conscious action for an object is possible by definition.

                      People are often compared with a horse, that's why the rulers of the curbed people are erected monuments on horseback, but not every one can curb the horse. your arguments do not roll.
                      Examples of matrix control of an object - a subject: tired of mummy Brezhnev - they chose the talker Gorbachev. Tired of a talker - they chose a drunkard Yeltsin. Tired of a drunkard - they chose a man.
                      1. Dzmicer
                        Dzmicer 19 January 2018 10: 58 New
                        +5
                        tired of mumble Brezhnev - they chose the talker Gorbachev. Tired of a talker - they chose a drunkard Yeltsin. Tired of a drunkard - they chose a man.

                        Oh, wei! The people (object) directly chose (sic!), And not the nomenclature / oligarchy / KGB / FSB (real subjects), which common people need to either agree with (the peculiarity of the elections in northern Eurasia is that there is no element of choice in them, even an illusion ) or go to jail / to the next world.
                        laughing
                        Very funny.
                      2. Boris55
                        Boris55 19 January 2018 11: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Dzmicer
                        Very funny.

                        Clear. In matters of management - you are a complete zero. Till hi
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 19 January 2018 08: 51 New
        12
        The Ukrainian is an artificial entity; there was not, is not and will not be such a nation in the future. There are Russians who are forcibly and deceitfully Ukrainized.
        I think that the people of Ukraine, in the end, will understand this.
        As we will understand for ourselves and change our country for the better. In the meantime, it’s not ours, it would be time to find out whose, in general.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 19 January 2018 10: 04 New
          +3
          I do not quite agree about Ukraine. By this logic, Syria is also an artificial formation, because you will not find such a state on any map older than 1920, although people have lived in this territory since the birth of civilization. However, no normal person would ever think of refusing Syria statehood.
        2. Mikhail Filippov
          Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 13: 20 New
          +3
          Once upon a time there were no Americans - there were overgrown English colonists. And now they dictate to everyone how to live
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 19 January 2018 21: 03 New
            +3
            What kind of Americans do you mean - Canadians, Yankees, Mexicans or anyone else? laughing
            1. Mikhail Filippov
              Mikhail Filippov 30 January 2018 13: 49 New
              0
              Yankee Yankees. And the Mexicans are essentially spoiled Spanish colonists
  9. Alex66
    Alex66 19 January 2018 08: 06 New
    17
    There are a lot of incomprehensible deaths of heroes in LDNR that could become real leaders, not paper ones, not controlled by Surkov, but popular. They are slowly knocked out and with them the spirit of resistance that is in them is knocked out, this guy is not needed the same as thousands of others. our leadership does not need them; ours is more convenient for Sobchak, Navalny, Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky these are not able to lead. The capable people are removed and it is not only the SBU that does it, in this case ours would have brought them to clean water (or maybe they will still) the muddy price processes are going on in LDN, which the lives of the patriots of the Russian world, the Russians are hindering.
    1. Vard
      Vard 19 January 2018 10: 16 New
      +1
      Heroes make a revolution ... and the villains take advantage of it ...
  10. Ruslan Gainutdinov
    Ruslan Gainutdinov 19 January 2018 08: 25 New
    16
    We will betray until the ideology of the primacy of personal gain is again replaced by a socialist
    1. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 19 January 2018 08: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan Gainutdinov
      We will betray until the ideology of the primacy of personal gain is again replaced by a socialist


      Well, formally, Russia is a country without ideology request
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 January 2018 12: 57 New
        +4
        Not just formally, buddy. But, and actually.
        "Whoever wants to and masturbates" in the common people. Hence the loss of moral guidelines, goals in the life of society and the state.
        In the Union, the state itself was both a religion and an idiology.
        This is similar to that mess, as the norms in one religion interpret in different ways (among Muslims, for example), because it is not forbidden.
  11. Owl
    Owl 19 January 2018 08: 29 New
    +8
    "We must urgently change the law. And the sooner the better. So far we really have not become traitors to our own." - for this, it is necessary to initially change the “people's representatives” who are now worried about not adopting laws and by-laws, reimbursing funds spent on the election campaign by working out the “orders” of their “sponsors”.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 19 January 2018 08: 46 New
      17
      Not the law, but the social system.
  12. Loess
    Loess 19 January 2018 08: 33 New
    +7
    I'm just wondering: why do these people go to Russia? They fought for the DNI / LC, so why are they fleeing to Russia? So the guy turns out to try to reach officials for three years, why didn’t he go to Lugansk or Donetsk? He is a militia, maybe he would have been accepted there humanly, if we, according to the authors, are traitors. But the guy does not want to go there, for some reason he tried to get into the European Union. I really don't get it. Here are the authors, taking this opportunity, poured another bucket of dirt on Russia, I understand that they have either a job or an attitude towards their (or not their) country. I can understand that. And I don’t understand the guy who fought for New Russia. It is just as interesting what he lived for these years and what he planned to live in the European Union? Moreover, the European Union supports just Bandera Ukraine, and not Novorossia in any way. Can anyone explain? Only without slogans. And then the same authors of athletes poured mud, citing fighters who were dying, but didn’t refuse the flag (personally, in my opinion, the comparison is absolutely incorrect), and then a militia fighter who does not want to return to the republics for which he fought, decided to regret ... No, I sympathize with the guy, but only in the sense that they are going to deport him to Ukraine. And the rest - I do not understand.
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 January 2018 10: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Less
      So the guy turns out to try to reach officials for three years, why didn’t he go to Lugansk or Donetsk?

      I join the question
      1. Antares
        Antares 20 January 2018 11: 51 New
        0
        Quote: BecmepH
        I join the question

        I will try to answer, although the information is taken from novynarnia.com, the source of a dubious reputation.
        He was tried in Vinnitsa, and sentenced to 6 years, since he served 3 years according to Savchenko’s formula, they set off 2 years and began the release procedure. There was a wave of exchange, and the Ukrainians (obviously went to the trick, since they still let them go) included him in the list. He refused to return to ORDiLO. Maybe in vain, since the story of the Odessa Russian is indicative that after the liberation of the SBU, something else is digging up.
        It should be noted that he is not deported at the request of Ukraine! And for violation of the terms of stay! (Ukraine may not need it)
        He went to Russia and wanted to live there. But did not take into account the bureaucracy.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 19 January 2018 11: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: Less
      for some reason he was trying to get into the European Union.

      And where did you get what he wanted in the European Union?
      Why didn’t I go to Lugansk or Donetsk?

      Half deaf? Shell-shocked? And where is it there if the hospitals operate on the word of honor and on one wing?
      1. CARLSON
        CARLSON 19 January 2018 12: 09 New
        +6
        Well, then why the authors for three years did not notice the problems of this militia in Russia, did not help with treatment and citizenship, did not raise the question of help on the site.
        But now, when the question of deportation arose, they raised a uniform hysteria. Therefore, the authors did not notice the problems of this militia until this moment, because if they had helped him earlier (by any means) this would have passed quietly and imperceptibly and this situation would not have been beating himself in the chest and tearing shirts on the chest.
        Probably, in this situation, it’s now possible to raise good political dividends, which has been noted repeatedly by these authors, they always “make a wave” at the very last moment “when the situation is already on the verge, but until then they’re silent about the problems of these people, who then use it like” the banner of "their" patriotism ").
        But now the authors are defenders of the humiliated and offended and the "whole" of the Russian world.

        Patriotism he is in specific matters of helping people, without advertising himself as a "beloved and wonderful patriot."
      2. Loess
        Loess 19 January 2018 12: 11 New
        +4
        And where did you get what he wanted in the European Union?

        Yes, at least from the fact that these authors have developed the habit of double-checking their work in the analytics section. https://www.pskov.kp.ru/daily/26783.4/3816410/ Here is an article about this guy, designed in the same vein, but to make it easier for you, I will quote from there:
        In June, 2016, never legalizing, Nikolai tried to fly to the European Union through Latvia. But vigilant Latvian border guards saw in his passport a stamp about crossing the border of the DPR and the Russian Federation. They threatened to deport him directly to Ukraine, supposedly “we hate the Russians”. Nikolai was lucky twice - he was literally beaten off by the head of the airport and sent back for free to Russia. Another good man in uniform passed him through our border control.

        Next
        Half deaf? Shell-shocked? And where is it there if the hospitals operate on the word of honor and on one wing?
        But he is his own. Or is it only Russia that is always and always to blame? In any case, if he was in the militia, he could have turned to the DPR / LPR at least with a request for support in his legalization on the territory of the Russian Federation. In addition, in our hospitals for free and without a medical center you can get only emergency medical care, as far as I know. As a result, the shell-shocked, half-deaf guy practically did not legally live for three years in another country without a job. Due to the good people? Quite possible. But, I repeat, as a militia, he could count on the support of the DPR / LPR, for three years it would be possible to make a request at least on the Internet. Some kind of accounting would probably, and if it wasn’t, then you can find people who fought with him. It is unlikely that our authorities would refuse Novorossia such a request.
      3. Mikhail Filippov
        Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 13: 24 New
        +4
        That is, it turns out that our grandfathers who fought for our country, freeing it from fascism, should not have returned to the country destroyed by the war and raised it, but had to flee somewhere to London or Paris? This is exactly the same.
  13. NordUral
    NordUral 19 January 2018 08: 44 New
    10
    But it’s even more offensive when they betray those who, on every corner, shout about “we don’t give up our friends.”

    And where did you get the idea that we are ours for them. Ours is an impudent thief and official crooks, and we are impudent free-spirits, necessary only when it is necessary to protect them from an external enemy, and to play popular support in the elections.
    But in March we have a chance to choose a truly people's president and the people's power as a whole. No wonder they were so fussed about, and everything from Solovyov to even those from whom he did not expect, Khazin, Delyagin and many more whom he mistook for decent people. Well, it is precisely the turning points that show who is who.
    So the people are obliged to decide whether we will slowly go to naught under the Kremlin’s bravura chants, or we will return to the path of recovery of the country. Everything depends on us, no matter how we are convinced that nothing depends on us.
  14. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 19 January 2018 08: 46 New
    +5
    Just now on the page of the "Opinions" of VO there was an article by Konstantin Sivkov "Academic Squeak" that
    32 academicians, corresponding members and professors of the Russian Academy of Sciences accused the FSB director Alexander Bortnikov of trying to justify the repressions of the 30s.
    A fairly competent and objective article that does not justify repression, but gives an attempt to objectively analyze the situation of the late 30s in our country. And immediately noted the gentlemen with the nicknames "Tasha" and "Olgovich", as well as Mr. Shpakovsky, who branded the terrible Soviet power for the "cannibalistic essence of political repression."
    And if the authorities had such difficulties in everything — in justice and in communicating with the outside world, etc. — you just had to GO and let other normal people do it. Nobody entrusted this authority with anything.
    But where are their comments on this article with angry denunciations of the current government?
  15. BAI
    BAI 19 January 2018 09: 25 New
    +3
    Officials = the government of the Russian Federation has always thrown, quit and will quit defenders of Russia's interests. And nothing can be done with this, except for a 100% replacement of the clan of officials. And this is not possible.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 19 January 2018 13: 40 New
      +2
      I do not agree with your last offer. There was a time when it worked out. The socio-political system was changed over 70 years, twice. Supporters of previous power were destroyed physically. There would be a will, but power is replaced qualitatively only by force or by the threat of its use with a demonstration of force, which, in general, the same implies blood, maybe a relatively small one. There is no other way to change power.
      Although, I would very much like otherwise. Without much blood, but with strength.
      After all, no one forgot, as the current regime came to power in 1991-93. Not much distinguished from Ukraine.
    2. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 19 January 2018 21: 09 New
      +1
      It’s interesting, but in America no one would be elected — they all plow for the good of America. and we sleep and see ourselves on the Cote d'Azur and children in London. How did they achieve this?
      1. Antares
        Antares 20 January 2018 11: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Cossack 471
        they all plow for the good of America

        they have nowhere to run. laughing Death and taxes are eternal. You can escape from other countries.
  16. onix757
    onix757 19 January 2018 09: 34 New
    +3
    Apparently, the prospect of extradition also hung over all the dead militia commanders. And as you know, there is no person - there is no problem.
  17. onix757
    onix757 19 January 2018 09: 38 New
    +1
    Those wishing to fight for the "Russian world" are less and less. Well, it doesn’t matter, from a impoverished population you can recruit a wild number of mercenaries.
  18. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 19 January 2018 09: 41 New
    +3
    Pathetics is clear. Kills a tear. But why is he mine? Citizen of Ukraine. Not Russia. Not Russian military. Or is he our mercenary? Or is it, the events in the Donbass, this is the work of Russia? Then we must admit that there are our military and hired mercenaries. And then there will be a reason to protect them. If anyone does not remember, Poroshenko is the legitimately elected president. And Putin admitted it. And this legitimizes all power in Ukraine. Therefore, the guy had to ask for political asylum, and not try to naturalize. Humanly, he is sorry.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 19 January 2018 13: 52 New
      +8
      Watch your expressions, captain!
      Not "mercenaries", but VOLUNTEERS!
      The State Duma in 2014 used such a term, legally argued, in order to exclude a crime under the Criminal Code of Art. "Mercenary."
      Using this term in relation to our people in the Donbass, you are definitely NOT our person.
      Substitution of terms and concepts-technology of the enemy.
      1. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 23 January 2018 19: 13 New
        0
        That's when you prove to me that this person did not receive monetary allowance, and then he will cease to be a mercenary. And what, by the way, are mercenaries recruited by order, and not voluntarily go? What did you write there about the substitution of concepts? Huh?
  19. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 19 January 2018 10: 35 New
    +9
    There are words, as they say, but all obscene. And after all, there are those who justify this shameful act of the current Russian government. And note, these are the same people who spit on the opposition candidate, declaring to us about “horses at the crossing” ...
  20. Altona
    Altona 19 January 2018 10: 35 New
    +5
    Quote: NordUral
    So organized crime groups are in power, what do we want? Vote for Putin? Then why are you surprised? Maybe we wake up, otherwise we will fall asleep in a blissful bliss that we will never know that there is no country anymore. neither us!
    We have a chance to vote for Pavel Grudinin. And this chance is in any case better than slow dying with the Putin regime.

    ----------------------------------------
    Voting within the framework of bourgeois democracy will yield nothing. No one will give us deliverance, neither God, nor the king, nor the hero. No wonder these lines are written in the Internationale. Only a change in the socio-political system. There are no good and bad capitalisms.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 19 January 2018 21: 15 New
      +5
      You are right, but a comrade from the Northern Urals is also right. Before changing the system, it is necessary to consolidate supporters. And by voting for a candidate from a party that is ideologically against capitalism, you are doing just that - you are campaigning for socialism.
      Yes, I just remember the words of one oligarch from the TV: deprivatization? All of Russia will be washed in blood! And there was nothing for him for this. That is, capitalism will not go away without blood.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 19 January 2018 21: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      Voting within the framework of bourgeois democracy will yield nothing. No one will give us deliverance, neither God, nor the king, nor the hero. No wonder these lines are written in the Internationale. Only a change in the socio-political system. There are no good and bad capitalisms.

      Everything is correct, according to Lenin. But he argued that practice is the criterion of truth. Why not try, even with a minimal chance, so that later it would not be excruciatingly painful to regret that they sat idly by in difficult times for the country. In the history of mankind it has not yet been possible to verify this. Why are you so sure of failure? This is not an adventure of organizing a revolution in the absence of a revolutionary situation, it is just an election. Changes in the socio-political system are not currently planned, this has already been announced, as it definitely will not work. And capitalism with a “human face” is not even in theory. But it is supposed, having transferred the political struggle to the upper echelons of power, to help accelerate the evolution of society towards progress (development with the + sign). The candidate’s program is essentially the first steps towards socialism. Let me remind you that evolution is a process of continuous qualitative change of something that prepares qualitative changes. Evolution and revolution are two necessary elements of the dialectical process of development. Those. revolution is inevitable, but not now. But you do not deprive yourself of evolution, move parts of the body to the polls when necessary. Or are you more comfortable with regression (development with the - sign)?
  21. Prometey
    Prometey 19 January 2018 10: 43 New
    +1
    Russia is a state of law and order ... for the elite.
  22. free
    free 19 January 2018 11: 38 New
    +3
    We are not betraying, it’s betraying the power! And the traitors are in power, it was they who destroyed the Union and robbed and continue to rob the people of the Russian Federation now.
  23. flicker
    flicker 19 January 2018 12: 07 New
    +7
    But I’m wondering whether the authors are worried about Nikolai’s fate or are they driven by an indestructible desire to throw another piece of shit into their own country?
    If Nikolay’s fate is worried, then why don’t they just pick up and help the guy, all the more they write that:
    ... a shell-shocked and half-deaf graduate of a boarding school in Vinnitsa could not do this. For many reasons. And with education it is bad, and with health.

    Well, how about:
    No, he was not alone. A whole year, many people have tried to help. This must also be remembered. They "rammed" bureaucratic offices. They hustled in numerous public receptions all in a row. They fought. Even our fellow journalists fought. And ... they lost.

    Or maybe they just fought badly? Or didn’t they fight at all?
    427 people - these are only those who received refugee status in Russia. In addition to it, residents of Donbass could use another legal status for staying on the territory of the Russian Federation - to obtain a temporary residence permit, a residence permit, become a member of the state program for the resettlement of compatriots and obtain citizenship of the Russian Federation after 240 months. or immediately apply for citizenship.

    In Russia, about 600 thousand citizens of Ukraine are in the process of obtaining Russian citizenship, the first deputy head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Alexander Gorovoy, said in July 2017.

    In total, there are about 2 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia.

    So what's the problem? Maybe the authors better take and help the guy?
    1. Loess
      Loess 19 January 2018 12: 18 New
      +2
      ... they are driven by an indestructible desire to throw another piece of shit into their own country ...

      Neither reduce nor add.
    2. mervino2007
      mervino2007 19 January 2018 23: 55 New
      0
      The fact that the hero of the article was trying to leave for the European Union is an incomprehensible moment: either the person is so sick that he no longer understands normally, or the ordeals in the FMS brought to despair. Here in the comments they suggest that he should have sought political asylum. But such cases appear constantly and always the FMS officials act like a carbon copy - they make a decision on deportation. And no one talked about political asylum, did not suggest such a path. Know there are difficulties along the way. But what is most worrying is that our legislators, knowing this problem, which there is evidence in the media, have not yet proposed anything "legal". In such an environment, one cannot speak of the “Russian World” as the attitude of Russians towards themselves. This, as the commentator put it, is just a “figure” of speech. It is necessary for HE, relying on our collective opinion, to break through on radio and television, to raise the general public to discuss this painful problem.
  24. TRP
    TRP 19 January 2018 12: 17 New
    +1
    The fifth column creates discontent, allegedly Putin is to blame. They are promoting Grudinin (McFaul and the Khodorkovsky and Washington Times have already spoken for him, etc.) and all this is being done to eliminate Putin and Russian statehood.
    1. Sansculotte
      Sansculotte 19 January 2018 14: 02 New
      +9
      No, Putin has not had anything to do with what has been happening for 18 years, he just passed by.
      And in general they didn’t tell him, he doesn’t know, otherwise he would have shown everyone
      1. TRP
        TRP 19 January 2018 21: 03 New
        0
        Have you ever read the constitution of the Russian Federation? You gave Putin power?
        Konst. RF Article 10 State power in the Russian Federation is exercised on the basis of division into legislative, executive and judicial. The legislative, executive and judicial authorities are independent.

        There is no presidential power in the country, the president is the guarantor of the constitution. Give power (change the constitution) - then ask.
        1. Galaktionych
          Galaktionych 20 January 2018 02: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: TRP
          Have you ever read the constitution of the Russian Federation? You gave Putin power?
          Konst. RF Article 10 State power in the Russian Federation is exercised on the basis of division into legislative, executive and judicial. The legislative, executive and judicial authorities are independent.

          There is no presidential power in the country, the president is the guarantor of the constitution. Give power (change the constitution) - then ask.

          If your Putin doesn’t have power, then why the hell is he going into the presidency for the fifth consecutive term?
          1. sds87
            sds87 20 January 2018 18: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Galaktionych
            If your Putin doesn’t have power, then why the hell is he going into the presidency for the fifth consecutive term?

            Maybe he likes to talk in camera lenses? And hang noodles on the ears ...
  25. Ural resident
    Ural resident 19 January 2018 12: 21 New
    +2
    So besides words, what specific actions?
    If they wrote a petition, the people would help with signatures. At least...
  26. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 19 January 2018 12: 50 New
    +2
    Some kind of nonsense. Yes, no one will extradite in Russia that whom in Ukraine is considered an enemy for political reasons, or who participated in the defense of Donbass. You just need to contact the Russian authorities in a timely manner to obtain a status for living in Russia. And if you didn’t apply, then you don’t even need to whine when you are caught as a violator of the law of Russia. Yes, you can scold our officials, but they must demand compliance with the laws. Everyone who is in Russia.
    1. Antares
      Antares 20 January 2018 11: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Anchonsha
      Yes, no one will extradite in Russia that whom in Ukraine is considered an enemy for political reasons, or who participated in the defense of Donbass.

      he is not given out for watered. motives for violation of the deadlines. Ukraine and the Russian Federation do not fulfill political requests, but the exchange of criminals continues. Deportation for a stay is a frequent occurrence.
  27. Romey
    Romey 19 January 2018 13: 06 New
    +3
    The answer to this question is extremely simple: never. Why? But because Russia does not exist, and there is a not entirely clear state formation, the Russian Federation without a clear national idea, a strong economy, sovereign in the full sense of the word domestic and foreign policy.
  28. Jackyun
    Jackyun 19 January 2018 13: 11 New
    +2
    The closer the elections, the more truth-minded kid kids. And Russia is bad there, and it’s not good here, and it leaked everything, and betrayed everyone, threw it, forgot it. There is no life for the people. Freedom is being trampled upon. Good uncles do not obey. Well, just bad boys.
    Shut up already, under ... nicknames. Why didn’t you bother when you strangled Ferguson, wiped Raqqa from the face of the Earth? Where is the moaning of Oliver Ivanovich brutally murdered by democratic Albanians?
    1. Sansculotte
      Sansculotte 19 January 2018 14: 00 New
      +3
      Why should we be interested in ferguson, crayfish and other foreign zazhopinsky?
  29. vorysgelo
    vorysgelo 19 January 2018 13: 12 New
    10
    ! ... But it’s even more offensive when they betray those who on every corner shout about “we don’t give up our friends” ....!
    - And who said that you are your own for the power of compradors?
    "... When will Russia really stop throwing its own? ..."
    - And then, when the oligarchic Russia will become popular!
    1. statokaev
      statokaev 19 January 2018 13: 33 New
      +3
      The question is right - we are not our own for officials! Perhaps not enemies yet, but opponents!
      1. vorysgelo
        vorysgelo 19 January 2018 13: 36 New
        +4
        Holy naivety! Enemies and enemies are not for life, but for death, and it is precisely those who disagree with this. And the consonants are already slaves.
    2. TRP
      TRP 19 January 2018 21: 12 New
      +1
      Russia has lost sovereignty. He was lost in 1991-1993, with the collapse of the Anglo-Saxons of the USSR and the adoption of the colonial constitution. Putin correctly speaks of a "unipolar world" There is no second pole, all the rest are vassals and colonies.
      When there is no sovereignty, you can not always help, and not everyone ... But only where it is really very dangerous and you have to pay for it ...
  30. Mikhail Filippov
    Mikhail Filippov 19 January 2018 13: 12 New
    +1
    You guys do not take into account other nuances.
    1) Yes, our court recognized the Maidan as a coup, and therefore both the authorities and the state are illegitimate. But it's just us. And at the international level, they are a legitimate authority. And a legitimate state. And we can’t do anything on it. Openly. And we finally recognized the new authorities.
    2) Officially, we are not in Ukraine. We are not officially involved in anything there, they have their own graters there, which do not bother us much. (such as our official position). We have no good reason to give the citizen of Ukraine a citizen of our citizenship
  31. boboss
    boboss 19 January 2018 13: 17 New
    0
    Someone from the coolest spoke. that all the bad stories .... to him. It seems V. Solovyov
  32. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 19 January 2018 13: 18 New
    +3
    Russians do not give their own, Putin? Courts ... and who will I vote for?
    1. TRP
      TRP 19 January 2018 21: 14 New
      0
      Who handed over whom?
    2. Galaktionych
      Galaktionych 20 January 2018 02: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Vadim Golubkov
      Russians do not give their own, Putin? Courts ... and who will I vote for?

      Think, there is still time ... In the last 4 years, many have opened their eyes and the chatter of the "guarantor" is no longer as zombie as before.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 20 January 2018 04: 36 New
        +4
        Quote: Galaktionych
        the “guarantor” chatter is no longer as zombie as before

        Be scared.
        "Chatter" - you have it mostly, and it ... well, that's not impressive at all request
  33. boboss
    boboss 19 January 2018 13: 22 New
    +3
    The FMS also smokes hemp .... I had a terrible sin - in 1991 I was temporarily registered (for 1 year) in Ukraine (my father was going to die, etc.) .... So he received citizenship with such ordeals of the Russian Federation. which is better not to remember .... in Ukraine only went on vacation ....
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  35. statokaev
    statokaev 19 January 2018 13: 30 New
    +4
    I completely agree with the author! You can’t leave your own! Freedom to the brothers Nikolai and Andrei Tregubov! Injustice cannot be done!
  36. Sansculotte
    Sansculotte 19 January 2018 13: 58 New
    +3
    Patriots of the Russian Federation, as usual, began to dissuade the authorities, and blame the Russians for everything))
    Immediate rejection of a compatriot if the authorities of the Russian Federation worked out with patriots at the level of reflexes at least indirectly to blame for his distress
    The patriot of the Russian Federation will look for any clue, any inaccuracy just to justify his power.
    1. Galaktionych
      Galaktionych 20 January 2018 02: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Sankyulot
      Patriots of the Russian Federation, as usual, began to dissuade the authorities, and blame the Russians for everything))
      Immediate rejection of a compatriot if the authorities of the Russian Federation worked out with patriots at the level of reflexes at least indirectly to blame for his distress
      The patriot of the Russian Federation will look for any clue, any inaccuracy just to justify his power.

      It is bitter to agree with you, but you are one hundred percent right ...
  37. iouris
    iouris 19 January 2018 14: 02 New
    +1
    The question is posed incorrectly. There is nothing to discuss. If you mean the state of the Russian Federation, then you should contact officials. If you mean "Russian world", then only the figure of speech. The essence of the matter is that “their own” are members of the group, and the rest are not “thrown away”, but “thrown” for money. And money is sacred.
  38. nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 January 2018 14: 09 New
    +1
    It seems that the author does not live in Russia. "We are not pampered Western sybarites, we are humanists and humane
    to the very bones. To the very ribs "Oh buddy, if that were the case. You, of course, do not agree that the terrorists and our bandits are people of the same tailoring. Just liberals have glued the label-ideology to terrorists. Already in a few
    there is a stabbing at schools. Bandits are terrorizing the Russian people, and beautiful speeches are being said from above. Lodrading is flourishing. And the Constitution is on their side. And how many Russian people are unemployed, because migrants are cheaper.
    It was we who became pampered with sybarites. Units can rush to the aid that these wolves beat. Herd of feeling.
  39. sapporo1959
    sapporo1959 19 January 2018 14: 12 New
    +6
    And I remember how much noise there was from the patriots that Lukashenko had planted a type of former gangster. As soon as they didn’t cast out on poor Belarus, then look how! So next time there’s nothing to stink of.
  40. amba1960
    amba1960 19 January 2018 14: 47 New
    +1
    Of course, I don’t know all the details, but on the basis of the proposed information, I need to turn to GDPutin and no one else, otherwise the time will be delayed, and those who reacted to this case do not care to check for compliance with their position, and let them themselves in the sun the whole country will recognize "their heroes." And to drive, to drive in the loot of the snickering bureaucrats with a filthy broom without the right to occupy responsible positions - we do not have enough workers - let them sweep the streets with a shovel and a broom. Now is the pre-election period, you can appeal directly to VVZhirinovsky, he is not afraid of anyone and nothing - he will help, and he will punish cabinet scum.
    1. Aleks2048
      Aleks2048 19 January 2018 15: 25 New
      0
      Yeah ... Come on ... we’ll give Putin a pen in his hand! Let Putin’s passport form fill it in immediately! And to make it even better, let Putin work as a photographer! Take a picture of a guy! Well ... for a passport ... Then let Putin take the guy to his balance! From his salary he will give the guy money for rehabilitation after the conflict! And of course, we will put a deaf disabled person for Putin’s life support. And then suddenly Putin was tired of solving the problems of the citizens of the Russian Federation and there was nothing to do, even if the problems of Urointsev would be resolved.
      1. Pax tecum
        Pax tecum 19 January 2018 15: 50 New
        +3
        In vain irony. The president with his own signature can give citizenship within minutes, maybe seconds, but so far they will prepare the text of the decree.
        Examples when our President handed out citizenship to foreigners (though rich and famous) are needed, or will you find yourself? Ah, there are not a few of them.

        Oh yes! Still. Do you know how much we have already “on balance” (in your words) taken both Ukrainians and Syrians? And this is in addition to the population of the CIS countries.

        Better than a Russian militia fighter than another Mr ... to the State Duma or SovFed, to balance.
  41. gdemokrator
    gdemokrator 19 January 2018 15: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    From the point of view of Russian law, everything is done according to the law, and why is this person our militia?
    No, don’t think that I would have been extradited to Ukraine, but we have the law, we have an agreement on the mutual extradition of criminals, we invite the Kiev authorities, so that everything is in accordance with the law, and there’s no one to expect justice from ... ..

    contract with whom? to us under contracts is this "unfinished" how much should it? are you going to feed this soul too?
  42. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 19 January 2018 15: 20 New
    0
    I read ... It can be a pity for a human being ... But it is a human thing ... It’s impossible to be guided in relations between states "as a human ... pity, etc. everything is simple in matters of interstate should be one profitable or not profitable to the state ... and that is the point. And here the question is extremely simple - he is a citizen of Ukraine. He did not receive citizenship of the Russian Federation, but in fact, and why is Russia such a citizen? Deaf ... with a war-broken psyche ... essentially no candidate for state support. Sorry, but this is figuratively speaking a suitcase without a handle. Why should Russia contain it? Maybe it’s not worthwhile to arrange Noah’s ark from the Russian Federation? And who is so attracted to charity? Let him transfer his salary to the charity fund for months if he is hungry, maybe it will work sobering. Ideas about the need to do something there with employees from the FMS who denied him citizenship of the Russian Federation if they fulfilled all legal requirements in general from a series of cap-and-seek applications and offering this, I propose simply “putting it on the wall” without trial or investigation, apparently this will completely match their worldview of justice. I agree that in general, he is not to blame for the coup in Ukraine, moreover, he did everything in his power to prevent this from happening, but he is in the losers camp, which means the winners will do what they see fit with him.
    1. Pax tecum
      Pax tecum 19 January 2018 16: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: Alex2048
      ... Why should Russia contain it? Maybe it’s not worthwhile to arrange Noah’s ark from the Russian Federation? And who is so attracted to charity? Let him transfer his salary to the charity fund for months if he is hungry, maybe it will work sobering ...

      You tell the Kremlin and the regional bureaucrats when they will distribute the next quotas for the population of villages and kishlaks of the CIS countries, Islamists who organize terrorist acts with us, and other Muslims that our cities filled with dirt and gained citizenship.
      Here, only those like the hero of this article will, in the case of negative trends in the country, and resist these foreigners and Gentiles, while you deign to stand in a pose.
      I personally prefer my ethno-confessional environment, it is quite comfortable in it, and the great ancestors bequeathed to me.
      You, the "all-Russian", do not understand.
      1. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 20 January 2018 00: 51 New
        0
        To take instead of one guest worker another is not a solution to the problem. And the fact that you (by the way, and many others, by the way, I am also no exception) are satisfied with the ethnically Slavic environment, so this cannot be the basis for a change in migration policy. And by the way, these foreigners and non-believers in Russia are doing the work that for some reason the Slavs are embarrassed to do. We are used to builders at best from Turkey at worst to Ravshan and Jumshud ... In the minibuses we are used to being a driver from Central Asia ... Janitors also do not understand where ... Chinese are working in the fields of our agriculture ... visitors will also work in factories ... But for some reason, we Russians ourselves do not want to work for the salaries paid by visitors to the workers ... damn us millions at once ... And even worse, even if the employer receives a normal salary, I’m sure that the Russian will not get drunk corny, will not rush to a grandmother whom she had not seen a hundred years before. Russians do not value the workplace. In Russia, the social burden on the state is simply prohibitive and it is simply impossible to hand out citizenship to good-natured people who are socially unadapted and do not bear any benefit to Russia.
  43. 82т11
    82т11 19 January 2018 16: 56 New
    0
    There are many words, but few facts. Which judge and where did he judge, for which they judge, etc.
    In general, the article is written in general terms, even where it sits is not written. Do we have one pre-trial detention center in all of Russia?
    In short, if the authors wanted to draw attention to the topic, they succeeded, but if they wanted to help the guy, the topic was not disclosed.
    Yes, and you need to write not here but in the media, then maybe the effect will be.
  44. Akexandre Fedorovski
    Akexandre Fedorovski 19 January 2018 17: 29 New
    +7
    Great material in the sense of thoughts and feelings. Unfortunately, when the author appeals to the patriotic feelings of the authorities, it’s the same as appealing to humanism, say, a cannibal: devouring people is the only way of being known to him ... It’s just that neither mom, dad nor grandfather nor grandmother explained to his "baby" that there are people - inhuman ...

    The author writes that, after four years (!!!), the Russian court finally recognized the events of four years ago in Kiev as a “coup d'etat”. The Russian political "elite", with its giblets depended to this day and depending on the Western and, above all, the American political elite, hastily announced the recognition of the puppet, cryptoneosionist regime of Poroshenko-Waltsman. How else?! Otherwise, America would have posed a “question with an edge” about the legitimacy of the CURRENT Russian political regime, which is the Yeltsin’s successor, which also emerged on the basis of a state pro-capitalist, cryptoneosionist coup, and much more bloody than Kiev’s one.

    If you look at the financial, economic and political "top" of Russia, an attentive observer will notice that in the vast majority of cases with the "Russians" these people are united only in due time changed to Russian names and surnames. Therefore, such cases will continue to take place until the chair under the “helmsman” really stumbles and he has to choose WHOM he is with the cryptoneosionists of the “Russian salting” or with the Russian and other indigenous peoples of Russia.
    Alexandre Fedorovski, Ph.D. in Philosophy.
  45. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 19 January 2018 21: 12 New
    +4
    The question arises: "And what was this guy actually fighting for? What was he really protecting?"
    Russia? Yes, she pushes him off with all the limbs.
    DNR? They washed their hands too.
    New Russia? There is nobody to ask: Tsarev in nirvana, the rest pretend that they are not at work.
    "Russian world"? Well here it’s not at all clear who to ask. Is that Putin - he so confidently talked about him that quite a few people were led.
    Judging by what is happening - not a single answer is suitable.
    And after that, people are surprised that in Ukraine, everyone is for himself?
    As someone said: “The wounded should not be abandoned. Otherwise, looking at how the wounded are treated, the healthy will not rise to the attack.” Pro-Russian Ukrainians with 2014 are beaten, killed, burned alive, imprisoned ... And what, Russia at least somehow stood up for them? And now also those who managed to escape are given back to the nationalists.
    So what should Ukrainians think about Russia?
    What should Russians themselves think about Russia?
    1. 82т11
      82т11 20 January 2018 11: 25 New
      0
      The fact that several officials do not mean that everyone turned away from the guy, so there’s nothing to carry
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 20 January 2018 17: 46 New
        +1
        Bullshit? A few officials?
        Tell that guy and others the same.
        Especially at the moment when they will be transferred to the Ukrainian authorities.
        And why are you so offended? Do you think that the state of Russia is doing the right thing to those who risk their life and health for its sake?
  46. Dr_engie
    Dr_engie 19 January 2018 22: 53 New
    +1
    I'm tired of repenting for everything. Either the church broadcasts, then Greenpeace, then the monarchists. Now also in VO has begun: repent, change your mind.
    Yes, how much can you?
    Do you want to repent? Your business, and do not impose on others.
    If you want to be ashamed, be ashamed of yourself in a quiet corner.
    In fact, they did everything right. There was nothing to get into the war game. Got Game
    1. 82т11
      82т11 20 January 2018 11: 19 New
      +3
      Thanks to this logic, we sit still and do not climb anywhere, and we lost the USSR
      1. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 20 January 2018 12: 14 New
        +1
        And then to sit and not go anywhere? We must interact normally with the world according to the law, and not according to concepts, as is customary with us.
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 20 January 2018 17: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: Dr_Engie
          It’s necessary to interact normally with the world according to the law, and not according to concepts,

          It would be nice if the world tried to interact with Russia by law, and not by lawlessness. yes
        2. 82т11
          82т11 21 January 2018 08: 59 New
          +1
          I agree, only the basic global law is
          Who is stronger is right!!
  47. Radikal
    Radikal 19 January 2018 23: 42 New
    +2
    And finally, you need to stop issuing your own.
    He is “ours” for you and me, and maybe even for tens of millions of Russians (I would like to believe), but for “those” above at their own elsewhere, and not in our country! sad hi
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 20 January 2018 12: 16 New
      0
      And for a long time, have criminals automatically been credited to "ours" with us?
      And, I understand, it’s not for nothing that you have this word in quotation marks.
      Or the logic is: “you commit crimes in countries that we don’t like - well done guy, we need such people” - so what?
      1. 82т11
        82т11 21 January 2018 09: 01 New
        +2
        Since when has Russian defense been a crime?
        Can we also condemn WWII veterans for inhumane treatment of the Nazis?
    2. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 20 January 2018 21: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Radikal
      He is “his” for you and me, and maybe for tens of millions of Russians (I would like to believe),

      And what does it move you to? To drink 100 gr "for a guy"?
      How will this help this guy?
      What do these words mean to you:"He is his own for you and me?"
  48. Galaktionych
    Galaktionych 20 January 2018 02: 30 New
    +2
    Such actions by the Russian authorities are Putin's indelible disgrace.

    To betray the Russian fighters who, at the call of their hearts, fought for the Russian population of Donbass, is beyond evil.

    One hope is that in March old leprechauns will be thrown out of the Kremlin and nationally thinking forces will come to power.
    1. 82т11
      82т11 20 January 2018 11: 16 New
      +2
      And can you elaborate on what kind of national-minded forces? There, besides Putin, there are only clowns) who managed a maximum of a collective farm or House 2, but you want them to rule the country)
      1. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 20 January 2018 12: 17 New
        0
        And who needs to be nominated? By the governor, who sit on posts for loyalty, and not for quality?
        1. 82т11
          82т11 21 January 2018 09: 15 New
          0
          Which surgeon do you like most that just graduated from the institute and has never operated on or who already has five years of experience?
          So where did you get that being president is less of a responsibility?
          And besides the governors, there are city heads of millionaires who also have good management experience.
  49. Piligrim
    Piligrim 20 January 2018 18: 45 New
    +1
    Everyone has emotions over the edge.
    Let's order.
    1. Title - "When Russia ...". Question: "Who is Russia?" Someone can specify specifically. Me not. The guy was betrayed by someone who must have a full name. Why nowhere is the name of this "hero". But there are many who want to do dark things and hide behind the abstract concept of Russia (it is abstract in the application to a specific case). And the most interesting thing I did not meet among Internet activists was the desire to find out the name of such a "hero" and share it with everyone. Maybe it's time to start calling "heroes" by their proper names "?
    2. Regarding actions under the law. The law also results in law. And what is the right? I recommend everyone to become interested in the classics of Marxism-Leninism. There you can find very precise definitions of many concepts. Then clarity in the mind will appear. "Law is the will of the ruling class elevated to law." IN AND. Lenin.
    Now I hope everything is clear to everyone?
    1. 82т11
      82т11 21 January 2018 09: 18 New
      0
      I agree there is a feeling that the guy was convicted by the author’s relatives and therefore he tries to give as little information as possible on this case!
      But indiscriminately hawks all Russia repent supposedly!
  50. Radikal
    Radikal 20 January 2018 20: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Dr_Engie
    And for a long time, have criminals automatically been credited to "ours" with us?
    And, I understand, it’s not for nothing that you have this word in quotation marks.
    Or the logic is: “you commit crimes in countries that we don’t like - well done guy, we need such people” - so what?

    The logic is simple, those who are for the Russian world are their own, and those like you are enemies! Questions ?! sad