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"Dove of Peace" over the "Kitty Hawk": a reconnaissance aircraft, shame the American fleet, remains in the ranks

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"Dove of Peace" over the "Kitty Hawk": a reconnaissance aircraft, shame the American fleet, remains in the ranks



This aircraft appeared in the ranks of the domestic air force in the mid 1980-s. He still remains in the battle post, coping well with the tasks before him. He is already given monuments, paying tribute to merit and opportunities. He participated in several armed conflicts, but he was brought to glory in peacetime. Abroad, he became widely known when the American carrier-carrier "confounded".

Tactical reconnaissance aircraft in the USSR were often created by modernizing fighters and bombers that were already mass-produced. In 1950-s, such aircraft became IL-28Р (production in 1949 – 1955, removed from service at the beginning of 1960-s), created on the basis of the first Soviet jet bomber Il-28. He was replaced by the machines of the Yakovlev design bureau: first Yak-27Р (production in 1958 – 1962, removed from service in the middle of 1970-ies) based on the anti-aircraft fighter-interceptor Yak-27, then Yak-28Р (production in 1966 – 1970 years, decommissioned 1994 year), the basis for which served as a supersonic bomber Yak-28. By the way, the Yak-28Р for the complete absence of weapons on board received in the troops the humorous nickname "dove of peace." At the same time, a tactical reconnaissance aircraft MiG-21Р (production in 1965 – 1971, removed from service at the beginning of 1990-s), created on the basis of the all-weather interceptor MiG-21PF, was used. However, he had insufficient range for the scout.

In the middle of 1980-s, the Su-24MR aircraft created by the Sukhoi Design Bureau, a branch of the Sukhoi company, was able to replace them by providing new tactical intelligence capabilities.

In the lens - flight deck


The aircraft carrier "Kitty Hawk" in the photo of Russian pilots, made from the board of the Su-24MR.

Morning October 17, 2000. The region of the Sea of ​​Japan between the island of Hokkaido and the Primorsky Territory. The Russian coast is about 300 km away. The American aircraft carrier "Kitty Hawk" (CV-63 USS Kitty Hawk) is heading towards the Republic of Korea, where the US-Korean Foal Eagle 25 exercises are to begin in the Busan area on October 2000. The ship is at a low speed, while at the same time restocking fuel from the nearby tanker. What happened next is better described by a US naval pilot, whose letter was posted on the Internet on December 9, 2000 and was discussed by many aviation forums. The only thing the recipient of the letter did was to remove the pilot's name and also soften a number of his strong expressions:

“... Swimming was quite easy and interesting: 54 days at sea, 40 - in the port and 45 flight hours in just one month! Yeah, we were flying our asses! Since I was one of the three squadron commanders with all my supercrusts, I flew a lot.

I was on the bridge to queue to control the ship, as there are a bunch of O-5 [captains of 2 rank / lieutenant colonels - hereinafter in brackets the comments of the letter recipient] and several O-4 [captains of 3 rank / major] who gain themselves “mooring” skills.

This is a way to be a superhero when you give the commands “steering right” and “left steering”, “hey, this is the speed control knob, dude” and you scratch next to the supply ship during UNREPS [restocking operation]. You do this under the watchful eye of the captain of the ship and the CDO [duty officer of the O-5 class, usually navigator or assistant navigator].

So, I sit there and talk about any garbage with my partner, who also gets his “qualification”. Here we get a box call from the CIC [information center of combat operations]. They say: "Sir, we have signs of the activity of Russian fighters."

The captain says to him: “We launch combat-ready fighters”. The guy responds that they can only announce “30 Alert” [crash within 30 minutes after notification]. The captain ohrenevaet and says: "Run all that we have." I ran to the navigator's phone and called the SDO [duty officer of the squadron]. It wasn't our squadron on duty that day, so I told him to find out who was on duty and have them lift their asses and rush to the flight deck [only 7 Alarm assumes that the pilots are on duty on the flight deck and are ready to climb air; “30 Alarm” means they are in the duty room].

In any case, after 40 minutes after the CO issued a warning, the Russians
Su-27 Flanker and Su-24 Fencer, making 920 km / h, take place in 60 meters directly above the Kitty Hawk wheelhouse. It was like in the movie “Top Gun”! The captain on the bridge spilled his coffee on the shoes, everyone says: “Your mother!” At that moment I looked at the captain, his face was purple. He looked like he was dumping his wife, who was raped by a marine. Russian fighters made two more high-speed flights at low altitude, before we finally lifted the first aircraft, the EA-6B Prowler [electronic warfare and reconnaissance aircraft] from the deck. Exactly! We picked up the fucking Prowler, and he was alone with the Flanker [Su-27] right in front of the ship. Flanker went to his tail, sort of like a bear who winks at a little hare before he ate it. He [Prowler] called for help before finally taking to the air Hornet [F / A-18] from our sister squadron - I literally use this term because they looked like a bunch of fucked girls flirting with Russians , - to perform the interception. But it was too late. The whole team, raising their heads, watched the Russians mocking our wretched attempt to stop them.

Funny part stories was that the admiral and the CAG [commander of the aircraft carrier aviation group] were at that time at the morning meeting in the Command Room, where they were interrupted by the deafening roar of the Russians circling over the aircraft carrier's cabin. An officer from the CAG headquarters told me later that they looked at each other, at the flight plan, made sure that we did not have any flights scheduled for the next few hours, and said: “What was that?”

Four days later, the Russian intelligence service sent an email to the commander of the Kitty Hawk letter, enclosing photos of it, in which our pilots were rushing around the flight deck, desperately trying to lift airplanes into the air. I’m quite sure that we had the fucking loser boy who was responsible for the air defense of our battle group [the officer in charge of managing the ship and supporting combat operations] were fired. The irony is also in the fact that just a few weeks before this incident, a change of admiral's command took place ... Higher naval officers then symbolically knelt all our aviation wing, keeping it around the clock in the air, as if it were World War II times.

Yesterday, this story sucked all Russian and Japanese newspapers. The Russians even awarded them a medal for their achievements. What a fucking shame! I felt as if I were from “Naughty Bears” (this is a comedy film about the worst teenage baseball team “Bears.” - Ed.), And we had our asses kicked, but I didn’t even get off the bench to help ... ”.

A small clarification: two Su-24МР from the 799-th separate reconnaissance aviation regiment, based at the Varfolomeevka airfield (near Vladivostok), participated in that flight over the Kitty Hawk deck. It was they who made the very pictures that were then kindly sent to the aircraft carrier’s website by e-mail. According to the then commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force, Anatoly Karnukov, “it was a planned reconnaissance mission, during which, however, unusual tasks were solved.” At the same time, no international agreements were violated by the Russian side. According to the commander-in-chief, the intelligence results “were impressive”: in the Su-24MR images, you could see how the sailors immediately began to cut the hoses connecting the aircraft carrier to the tanker, because they decided that they were being attacked and tried to avoid a fire due to fuel spills.

"The most difficult aircraft"


Preparing for performance at the Aviadarts international flying skill competition.

From the beginning of the 1960-ies in the design bureau of Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi a new front-line bomber was developed. This machine was supposed to occupy a niche between the Su-7 / Su-17 fighter-bombers and the Tu-22 / Tu-22М long-range bombers. However, the project, which received the internal designation T-6 in the Design Bureau, was born quite difficult. Here's how Oleg Sergeevich Samoilovich, who worked in the Sukhoi Design Bureau since February 1957 of the year (in 1982 – 1983 years, he was first deputy general designer of the OKB, and from 1983 to 1985 year - deputy general designer of the OKB) wrote about this: “The military men urged: rather, rather, soon ... Haste led to errors at almost all stages of the creation of the machine - from design to testing. Therefore, Su-24, in my opinion, is the most difficult aircraft of our design bureau. ”

After a long stage of coordination of the technical task, it was only in August 1968 of the year that the decision of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR to create the Su-24 with a variable geometry wing was issued. “The plane was designed and built in just 26 months, its first flight took place in January 1972, and in March it was decided to launch the Su-24 series,” Samoylovich said. “And there were three more years of intense flight tests ahead.”

Flight tests Su-24 also evolved very difficult, there were a large number of incidents. “In total, 10 aircraft were lost, including the fault of the design - three, all the rest were due to the AL-21F3 engine,” Samoilovich specifies. - In addition, four Su-24M aircraft were lost in flight tests. Unfortunately, this was accompanied by the death of people: 13 test pilots and navigators died. Eight people were catapulted and survived. ”

Due to the delay in creating the Su-24, the creation on its basis of a tactical intelligence officer was constantly postponed. Although the pre-sketch design of such a modification began in August 1965 of the year, only in 1970 did the T-58MR appear on the basis of the first production version of the Su-24.

At the same time, work began on the creation of specialized equipment and its integration into the aircraft’s on-board complex. However, a project for the upgraded Su-24M soon appeared in the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

Therefore, the T-58MR project remained on paper, and in 1975, the development of the Su-24MR scout began on the basis of the Su-24М. Its full-scale design began only in the 1978 year.

The terms of reference for the Su-24MR provided for the creation of a machine capable of performing all types of reconnaissance up to 400 km beyond the front line at any time of the day, in all weather conditions and in the conditions of countering a strong enemy air defense. In July, test pilot 1980, Anatoly Ivanov, made the first flight on the prototype of the reconnaissance unit Т6МР-26. The Su-24MR state tests ended in 1982, and a year later the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after A.G. V.P. Chkalov assembled the first serial Su-24МР.

Complicated cargo


23 August 2016, on the eve of the city’s day, in the “gas capital” of Russia - the city of New Urengoy - a grand opening of the exposition of military equipment took place on Memory Square. Its main exhibit was the Su-24MR aircraft.

The project was initiated by several New Urengoy entrepreneurs who applied to the city administration in December 2015. The choice of aircraft type was dictated by recent events in the Syrian Arab Republic. 24 November 2015 of the year when performing a combat mission over the territory of Syria near the border with Turkey, an air-to-air missile from the F-16 aircraft of the Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian Su-24 aircraft. Both pilots ejected. Pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov died while descending on a parachute as a result of shelling from the ground; navigator Captain Konstantin Murakhtin was evacuated to Khmeimim airbase.

“The Central Military District received a letter from the head of Novy Urengoy asking for a written off Su-24,” the district press service reported. “The plane provided the Shagol airfield in Chelyabinsk.” Since the autumn of 2010, the 6980-I air base (the former 2 th Guards Bomber Aviation Regiment), armed with Su-24M bombers and Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft, is based there. The base was able to allocate the new Uraingoyans not the same Su-24М that was shot down in Syria, but the decommissioned Su-24МР.

This aircraft with a tail number 37 and registration number RF-91814 was dismantled in April 2015 of the year (in the same year its registration number was transferred to one of the Su-30CM fighters). “The aircraft was demilitarized beforehand, weapons were removed from it,” the district press service noted.

The Su-24MR transportation from Chelyabinsk to Novy Urengoy required a significant amount - approximately 1,3 million rubles. December 14 on Novourengoy media was spread information about the fundraising. Most of them were identified by the initiative group of entrepreneurs. The transportation of the aircraft disassembled by parts began on January 4, and on Christmas morning it had already arrived in New Urengoy. For three days, the convoy of cars covered the distance in 2 100 km.

The first trawl, according to truckers, caused the most problems: its length was 26 m, the very glider of the aircraft on it was 20 with a width of more than 5 m. Wings arrived on board the second heavy truck. The total weight is 16 t. “The majority of those who met on the way, including the traffic police, assisted us,” says Gennady Pankov, an employee of the NG - Service group of companies, who is responsible for transportation. - In front of the Surgut bridge, the first trawl was not able to stand on the scales in size. We left, warned that we are carrying such a load. For the sake of us stopped all traffic on the bridge of Surgut. We were alone, nobody else was moving along this bridge. ”

Disassembled, shrouded Su-24 was transported to the base of the Novy Urengoy drilling company "NG - Service". There, over half a year the car was assembled, painted, tidied up individual parts. After the restoration, the 16-ton exhibit was transported to Memory Square. “The memorial aircraft was installed for the purpose of patriotic education of young people, increasing pride in the defense-industrial complex of Russia,” the press service of the Novy Urengoy administration said.

For the senior pilot, Major Oleg Belousov, it was not just an exhibit. Once he lifted this particular car into the air. On it, he made a lot of sorties. Oleg Belousov specially came to New Urengoy for the grand opening of the exhibition. “This is especially important for me, I flew exactly on this plane,” said Oleg Belousov after the ceremony. “It is not sawn and remelted, but stands as an exhibit, bringing up patriotic feelings in young people.”

"Lone Warrior"


At the Chelyabinsk airport Shagol Su-24MR in jubilee color: its right side is dedicated to the Orsha airbase - the heiress of the fighting traditions of the 2 Guards bomber Orsha regiment.

Su-24MR became the first aircraft in the USSR capable of conducting species, radio engineering and radiation reconnaissance. The composition of the on-board reconnaissance complex included side-looking radar (radar), heating and television equipment, panoramic and advanced cameras, and electronic reconnaissance equipment. From the point of view of the complexity of the obtained intelligence, the Su-24MR still has no competitors. It differed from the serial Su-24 by a shorter fuselage, a nose radio-transparent fairing of a simplified form, under which only the radar following the terrain is installed. There is no gun on the scout. On the bottom surface of the fuselage protruding fairings with windows for optical reconnaissance equipment are equipped. Containers with reconnaissance equipment are suspended on the central ventral pylon, on two pylons under the fixed parts of the wing - additional fuel tanks. On the pylon under the right movable wing of the wing there is a container with radiation reconnaissance equipment. This container is quite rarely removed from the Su-24MR, becoming the main external difference between a scout and a bomber.

The Su-24MR armament consists of only two air-to-air guided missiles.
P-60 / 50М, which are suspended on a pylon under the left wing wing console. For the lack of offensive weapons, the Su-24MR, as in its time the Yak-28Р, was nicknamed “the dove of peace” in parts.

Su-24MR entered service with separate reconnaissance air regiments of the Air Force and Navy Aviation. Its first use in hostilities occurred in November 1992 of the year: four vehicles performed reconnaissance flights in the zone of the Ossetian-Ingush conflict. Following this, in 1990 – 2000-ies, Su-24MR conducted reconnaissance in Chechnya, Tajikistan, and also carried out reconnaissance flights along the borders with Georgia. Two vehicles were shot down over Chechnya by portable anti-aircraft missiles. After these losses, the Su-24MR crews at their own risk “corrected” their combat tactics — they began to fly even lower (at altitudes of the order of 100 – 150 m) and faster (to 900 km / h). The option of escorting Su-24MR fighters was considered, but it turned out that Su-27 and MiG-29 are able to stay on this mode in the same system with a scout for just a few minutes. So Su-24MR remained lonely warriors - flights for reconnaissance are carried out by single aircraft.
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 20 January 2018 06: 18
    +3
    Well, he is the only warrior in the sky!
  2. zzdimk
    zzdimk 20 January 2018 09: 11
    +1
    Sophisticated but good car.
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 January 2018 11: 09
      +5
      After a long stage in agreeing on the terms of reference, it was only in August 1968 that a resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR on the creation of the Su-24 with variable geometry wing.
      Blooper! With wing variable sweeps. The variable wing geometry is somewhat different.
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 20 January 2018 14: 50
        +4
        I read the comments. And I was surprised! Why didn’t it surprise anyone that the Su-27 was called the second aircraft? For me, this is at least strange! Because combat pilots are obliged to know what the planes of a potential enemy look like! Both planes are absolutely different from each other! And here such ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 20 January 2018 16: 00
          +3
          Quote: Magic Archer
          ..the second plane was called the Su-27?

          The scouts covered the Su-27, and they cut off the pursuers
          1. NN52
            NN52 20 January 2018 16: 40
            11
            By the way, Su 27 were with the Central Corner ... Su 24 I do not know ...
            The conditional "destruction" was counted.
            And most importantly - the entire air defense system of the AUG was opened.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 20 January 2018 17: 59
              +3
              Gamardzhoba genatsvali. I guess who led them wink
  3. Yarik
    Yarik 20 January 2018 09: 14
    +2
    And what is good for the defense capability of our country in that the aircraft of the early 70s is still operational? Is there practically nothing to replace it with? Or is it that a museum exhibit flies to perform B / W?
    1. avt
      avt 20 January 2018 10: 24
      +6
      Quote: Yarik
      And what is good for the defense capability of our country in that the aircraft of the early 70s is still operational?

      Yes-ah-ah ..... this campaign is not treated fool And it began to be trained by a search engine to work impossible. Well, to teach to learn in comparison and even more so.request
      Quote: Yarik
      Or is it that a museum exhibit flies to perform B / W?
      wassat
      Is this about the B-52? bully
      Quote: Yarik
      Is there practically nothing to replace it with?

      ,, What "to see in life from the company of Su missed pretty much. bully
    2. Train
      Train 20 January 2018 11: 39
      +4
      Gliders as such are slowly becoming obsolete - they are changing Avionics on it, the engine, and what is the glider obsolete? Americans also have upgraded F16 flying and nothing ...
  4. ares1988
    ares1988 20 January 2018 09: 28
    +3
    Something more like a fake story. What year did it happen?
    1. Dimka75
      Dimka75 20 January 2018 09: 52
      +2
      and it doesn’t matter
      what is the syllable, huh?
      sailors began to urgently chop hoses connecting the aircraft carrier with a tanker
      The captain on the bridge spilled his coffee on his boots ... his face was crimson. He looked as if he was snatching his wife, who was raped by a marine.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 20 January 2018 16: 04
        +7
        Young people, if you do not like this news, it does not mean that it was not. Believe bbc / cnn & co comment with them, they will instruct you like No.
        1. ares1988
          ares1988 20 January 2018 16: 26
          +3
          Similarly, if you like the news, this does not mean that it was so. And not like happiness)
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 20 January 2018 17: 51
            +3
            Quote: ares1988
            Similarly, if you like the news ..

            Logically, there is nothing to argue. It’s good for Russia that many years ago, the group leader -27 chose the service, not the music, a gifted person. soldier
    2. Theodore
      Theodore 20 January 2018 09: 58
      +1
      It was! I’ve read about it in AIF! The title was like: Russian pilot did us as best he could!
      1. ares1988
        ares1988 20 January 2018 11: 44
        +2
        Yes, I also read about it before, but somehow there are too many nuances that make me doubt it. For example: the lack of specificity by the date and place of the event, as well as the names of the participants, chopping the fuel line hoses to prevent fuel leakage, the pilot who controls the aircraft carrier, it’s not clear where the dangling hokai with a couple on duty, escort ships that disappeared with the hokai, sailors with axes, whom a respected general saw, but I didn’t find it in the photo, but didn’t find it ... It’s all strange.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 13: 05
          +7
          Quote: ares1988
          but somehow there are too many nuances that make one doubt

          There are two parts, as usual.

          1. The invoice. It is that the flyby CV-63 in October 2000 really was. There is nothing special about this; it’s not (so far) accepted to shoot down Russian planes in international waters, no matter what they do.
          2. Interpretation and juicy details. "describes a US Navy pilot whose letter was posted on the Internet on December 9, 2000 and has been discussed at many aviation forums." This is a fairly obvious wf. Literary text by an unknown author (talking about anonymity is stupid, since an air wing officer, who was on the bridge at the time of the flight, the US Navy would obviously be known).
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 January 2018 13: 18
            +4
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            There is nothing special about this; it’s not (so far) accepted to shoot down Russian planes in international waters, no matter what they do.

            Everything is just like that. The Americans consider it good practice not to let ours go to their ABs and take them for escort, or even into the box with their planes, pushing them away from their ABs. If they succeeded, it means that the interception took place, everything is good with the Americans, if the Soviet / Russian people managed to break through to the AB without escort, ours took.
            The rules of this game have not changed since the 60s, and maybe earlier
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Interpretation and juicy details.

            I do not know. Strictly speaking, the refueling option perfectly explains how ours managed to get to AB
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 13: 22
              +4
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              The rules of this game have not changed since the 60s, and maybe earlier

              Here you are right. Games of patriots. Nevertheless, the flyby AB is far from unique, and in itself, without erotic details, is of little interest.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 January 2018 22: 33
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Nevertheless, the flyby of AB is far from unique, and in itself, without erotic details, is of little interest

                In general, yes. Normal work both on that and on the other hand. Getting on AB was not easy.
            2. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 13: 34
              +1
              Here, for example
              https://amarok-man.livejournal.com/1806434.html
              another bike on the theme "scared aircraft carrier" and all that.
            3. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 13: 40
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Strictly speaking, the refueling option perfectly explains how ours managed to get to AB

              As far as I understand, we do not know, except from the “posted on the Internet”, the Su-24 was accompanied or not.
              1. dauria
                dauria 20 January 2018 15: 02
                +1
                was the Su-24 accompanied or not.


                You can ask the pilot - there is a SPO "Birch" and a bunch of beautiful lights. Only in modern radars, tracking "on the aisle" is no different from the review. But it simply didn’t come to the operation of the continuous illumination channel - well, not really knocking it down.
                Article "dashing", do not know what to laugh at. Author, for whom are you Americans or ours? And those and others are all the same pros, they can do something. wink
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 15: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: dauria
                  Only in modern radars, tracking "on the aisle" is no different from the review. But it simply didn’t come to the operation of the continuous illumination channel - well, not really knocking it down.

                  The fact that the aircraft were naval radars to discuss does not make sense, it goes without saying. I meant the presence of fighters in the air.
                  Quote: dauria
                  You can ask the pilot

                  Did someone ask? Is there an authorized (confirmed by a specific person, and not "posted on the Internet") story?
                  1. dauria
                    dauria 20 January 2018 20: 53
                    0
                    Did someone ask? There is an authorized ...

                    Yes, calm down you. It is clear to everyone that this is an essay on a "free theme." Without him, no one would have looked at this photo. Surely even the English version of this letter doesn’t exist in Tyrnet. Or with a bunch of obvious mistakes, as they translated from Russian into English, and not vice versa. And finally, aircraft radars also accompany "on the aisle." Forget about this division - review, capture, tracking, highlighting. Now the review is highlight (and even then not always)
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 21: 14
                      0
                      Quote: dauria
                      Surely even the English version of this letter doesn’t exist in Tyrnet.

                      Here you are wrong. It seems that someone from the American Petrosyans came up with such fanfics there are not uncommon.
                      http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t
                      = 10665
              2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 20 January 2018 22: 36
                +1
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                As far as I understand, we do not know, except from the “posted on the Internet”, the Su-24 was accompanied or not.

                It depends on what is meant by escort. It’s clear that I was on the radar, but I, under escort, had in mind the plane in the air — and he wouldn’t miss it, and ours wouldn’t start to push through in this case - why? In the light of established traditions, it would look silly
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 20 January 2018 22: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  but I, under escort, meant a plane in the air

                  So do I.
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  but he wouldn’t have missed, and ours wouldn’t have started pushing through in this case - why?

                  So we don’t know, except from tuft forums, how the flyby took place. Photos, where in one frame, for example, “The Bear”, Tomcat and Avik, in bulk, so that “did not miss” - a rather arbitrary thing.
                  However, the situation when Avik was caught at a supply reception and without duty fighters in the sky does not contradict the laws of nature.
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 January 2018 00: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Photos, where in one frame, for example, “The Bear”, Tomcat and Avik, in bulk, so that “did not miss” - a rather arbitrary thing.

                    No, there’s something else. Ours periodically took the AUG under surveillance - a bear flew in, say, and spun around - this is not prohibited by laws. Hence the photo.
                    And sport is to bring strike aircraft (Tu-16, Tu-22, Su-24) to an aircraft carrier
                    1. sd68
                      sd68 21 January 2018 10: 21
                      0
                      It makes no sense from the point of view of combat use.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 January 2018 12: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: sd68
                        It makes no sense from the point of view of combat use.

                        Nevertheless, the regular practice of both us and the USA
                  2. sd68
                    sd68 21 January 2018 10: 22
                    0
                    And with what joy in peacetime, deck fighters on duty in the air?
                    Burn fuel and spend a resource?
                    Do they need it?
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 January 2018 12: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: sd68
                      And with what joy in peacetime, deck fighters on duty in the air?

                      If it’s not in our waters, then there’s no reason for it, and so training
                      1. sd68
                        sd68 21 January 2018 12: 21
                        0
                        Training - if it was deemed necessary, and if there was a willingness. But it is served, like a certain duty of the Americans, which is not close, such a flyby does not carry any threat
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 21 January 2018 12: 31
                        0
                        Quote: sd68
                        But it is served as a certain duty of the Americans

                        A colleague, this is the coolest boys in the area. Like, yes, they should. Boys are always boys.
  5. Vard
    Vard 20 January 2018 10: 02
    0
    One small lighter on the flight deck and this whole pile of metal is no longer fit for anything ...
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 20 January 2018 20: 16
      0
      Not so simple. According to calculations, even if only one missile carrier breaks through and carries out a targeted launch of missiles on an aircraft carrier, it will be necessary to put up a division. Here you have a small lighter.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 20 January 2018 21: 29
        +1
        Quote: shura7782
        Not so simple. According to calculations, even if only one missile carrier breaks through and carries out a targeted launch of missiles on an aircraft carrier, it will be necessary to put up a division. Here you have a small lighter.

        Everything is a little wrong, the division is necessary for the GUARANTEED destruction, we will guarantee to destroy one aircraft.
        1. shura7782
          shura7782 20 January 2018 23: 05
          0
          I understand you. Explain for members of the forum (Warranty destroy one aircraft) Moreover, they may think that this is the Su-24M.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 12
            0
            Quote: shura7782
            I understand you.

            I doubt it ...
            Quote: shura7782
            Explain for members of the forum

            I think forum users are more savvy than some comrades and will understand everything by reading a quote
            Quote: shura7782
            Not so simple. According to calculations, even if only one missile carrier breaks through and carries out a targeted launch of missiles on an aircraft carrier, it will be necessary to put up a division. Here you have a small lighter.
  6. Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM 20 January 2018 10: 15
    +7
    He served as an urgent in 69806 on su24mr. I remember how civilian workers papered over a "demonstration" board. He was rolled out to all events when civilians were allowed into the base. The board itself has been decommissioned and has not flown for a long time.
    In fact, Mr is the only front-line integrated reconnaissance aircraft and indeed a front-line reconnaissance aircraft. Interestingly, the base for the new front-line intelligence complex will be based on the Su34 or Su30?
    Since new aircraft of this type are not produced, the issue of maintaining airworthiness is of particular concern. There is one arz in the country engaged in the repair of al-21, and two in the repair of aircraft as a whole. For repair and modernization of the fleet, 80 cars should probably be enough, taking into account the reduction in the number of Emoks in favor of the Su-34.
    In general, at the end of my assignment, the pilots began to practice capturing the goals of the GOS of the training version of the p-60, so that the dove of peace could snap back; and the pilots acquired the skills of defensive air combat. Relief pilots did not particularly believe.

    Sometimes I miss the service, the Su-24MR and the work of aircraft mechanics ...
    1. Nikolay R-PM
      Nikolay R-PM 20 January 2018 14: 03
      +6
      If Major Belousov mentioned in the article is the same pilot who served in my squadron (not a namesake, for example), then I witnessed one incident.
      His board went on a training flight (he was the navigator of starley, his name is spinning, but I can’t remember). weather conditions began to deteriorate, but not enough to discourage the flight shift.
      However, when the flight mission was completed and the board led by Belousov returned, a thick fog covered the aerodrome. Such weather conditions did not correspond to the meteorological name of the pilot.
      The first two approaches were unsuccessful, there was still one more fuel left on board and, if it were unsuccessful, the command received the command and control board to take the side away from Chelyabinsk and eject.
      Everyone who was at that moment at the airfield froze. And through the fog you can see the scattered spots of landing light, the whistle of engines running on low gas and ... the creak of touching the main struts on the strip and the frequent booming shot of a filling brake parachute. The crew and board remained intact.
      After that, there was a lot of proceedings and conversations with the command personnel who were to blame for the situation that almost led to the loss of the side, but the guys from my call unequivocally agreed that the car was saved thanks to the actions of the crew.
      1. shura7782
        shura7782 20 January 2018 19: 58
        +2
        the board under Belousov’s control returned, a dense fog covered the aerodrome.
        If the pilot with the CP was allowed to land in such weather (set minimum weather), then he could be landing because there was special clearance. The navigator’s calculation should be such that an extra approach could be made at the alternate aerodrome. If the pilot lights up the lamp (minimum fuel remaining), this is already regarded as a prerequisite for a flight accident with all the ensuing consequences. In such cases, no one will say a crooked word for landing at the alternate aerodrome. I remember ours sat down in the air and flew to us, too, to unexpected guests. This is rare, but it happens. In these cases, questions are asked to the head of the weather service.
        1. Lucy
          Lucy 21 January 2018 03: 11
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          Does the resolution give KP? What is the special clearance?
          Well, he piled up, it’s as if he were reading the IPP (MANEUVER DIAGRAM FOR AN EXTRAORDINARY APPOINTING OR CARE AT THE RUNWAY SPARE AERODROME).
          Buy a toy on your knee. https://www.avito.ru/syzran/kollektsionirovanie/n
          akolennyy_planshet_letchika_1199899828
  7. alstr
    alstr 20 January 2018 10: 47
    +4
    In fact, in this article I want to rejoice most of all for N. Urenga. That there are people who are helping to create something in the form of a (hopefully) small platform of military equipment.
    And this is probably the most important thing.
  8. shura7782
    shura7782 20 January 2018 14: 15
    +7
    The crews of the Su-24MR, at their own peril and risk, “corrected” the tactics of combat use - they began to fly even lower (at altitudes of the order of 100–150 m) and faster (up to 900 km / h).
    Author Do you imagine this flight mode for searching, reaching the target and shooting?
    escorting Su-24MR fighters, but it turned out that the Su-27 and MiG-29
    Do not confuse those times with the Syrian. The scout was always and everywhere a loner, he does not need an escort.
    The article is beautiful, but not for those who are knowledgeable. This is not all blunders.
    The only aircraft in the USSR Air Force called the “dove of peace” was the MIG-21 because it was in service in many countries of the world. The rest is postscript.
    That’s what I remember for sure is that in our ORA there was a long laugh at such newspaper articles. And these bloopers have long been subjects for jokes.
    1. Spez
      Spez 21 January 2018 01: 18
      +1
      The only aircraft in the USSR Air Force called the “dove of peace” was the MIG-21 because it was in service in many countries of the world. The rest is postscript.

      The vertical Yak-38 was also called that because it carried little payload.
  9. Bearmedved
    Bearmedved 20 January 2018 17: 27
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    Flies like a metal, great plane
  10. tchoni
    tchoni 20 January 2018 20: 29
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    It seems very silly to use an airplane designed for terrain mapping and species reconnaissance to search for an aircraft carrier. In this case, all he could do was fix the result of a 27 x raid. So singing odes in this particular case to this particular aircraft is only possible as a camera.
    By the way, where are the pictures of the kittyhawk deck with a sweeping American soldan? If the network laid out should be hi
    1. NN52
      NN52 20 January 2018 23: 15
      +8
      Actually, as you put it, they raided 24, and 27 escorted and covered ...
      Are you not friends with internet searches?
      You will not find a photo of a soldier with axes.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 21 January 2018 08: 37
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        Quote: NN52
        Actually, the raid, as you put it, did 24,

        But how can one make a raid if there are NO sighting devices on the rakhvedchik for dropping bombs? D and no bomboff)))
        Quote: NN52
        Are you not friends with internet searches?
        You will not find a photo of a soldier with axes

        Not a royal ento matter, look for such photos. And the author could ask. And the article, you see, would play with new colors))) And so - popular legend from the agency OBS)
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 22 January 2018 21: 03
        +2
        Quote: NN52
        You will not find a photo of a soldier with axes.

        What are you talking about? What "can a bald man say about a comb?" - 'Half a hundred and two' let’s go for the holiday, figs with them ...
  11. sd68
    sd68 21 January 2018 10: 15
    +1
    A letter from the pilot, squadron commander who controlled the ship, without a name, of course.
    And this nonsense is laid out here.
    Now it’s clear what inspired the one who composed the primitive fake about Kakmsu-24 to turn off all electronics on Cook.
    As for the aircraft carrier, if it was not in combat readiness, with heated catapults, it is clear that the aircraft did not fly into the air.
    And no one would bring down, why?
    All these stories about how they flew up to the Avinasians or the submarine approached, Atrins are hackneyed, boiled in runet, very little relation to real fighting
  12. sd68
    sd68 21 January 2018 12: 23
    0
    Andrey from Chelyabinsk,
    Of course, practice.
    Only in an environment very far from combat, and therefore not applicable in a combat situation
    1. NN52
      NN52 21 January 2018 12: 37
      +8
      And in a combat situation, an aircraft carrier from a tanker does not refuel?
      Just in those years, they usually did it at night, but then relaxed .... For which they were punished ...
      1. sd68
        sd68 21 January 2018 14: 20
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        Refuel. It’s only that Hokai and the F18 link are first lifted into the air, and you still need to find it — not by plane with a camera, but by the included radar, which the hokai will detect for hundreds of kilometers and stop refueling long before it arrives.
        Yes, and an escort on the charge will charge a pair of cm-6
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 January 2018 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: sd68
      Only in an environment very far from combat, and therefore not applicable in a combat situation

      The situation is usually very close to the military one. Detect AB and attack him, that is, get closer to the very small, until the Americans have time to intercept in the air. In battle, this will be a victory for sure. Well, the Americans have to avoid detection, intercept attacking aircraft in time.
      In general, if you don’t know why, why fantasize?
      1. sd68
        sd68 21 January 2018 22: 59
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        yeah. in a combat situation, a F-18 pair would also be hanging in the air of Hokkai, the catapults would be warmed up and the duty link in five-minute readiness, the escort would be dispersed along the air defense lines, the PrdRLD would stick out in front, the AUG location would still have to be found, for which it would take a long time to fly the Tu-95RC and radar to shine in all directions, naval reconnaissance planes in the USSR formed the regiments for nothing, and an escort, like the F-18, would have shot to kill as soon as they found out, that would have flown up "on the very small ones" ....
        In general, if you don’t know why, why fantasize? wink
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 21 January 2018 23: 16
          +2
          Quote: sd68
          yeah. in a combat situation in the air, Hokkai would have hung a pair of F-18s, catapults warmed up and a duty link in five-minute readiness

          Hokai would hang, but "would" interfere.
          You do not understand one simple thing. When the Americans approached our shores, they automatically and always switched to a regime close to combat, that is, Hokai should have kept the catapults and link ready. They went into our waters for this - they have absolutely nothing more to do there.
          And ours tried to catch them, sometimes it turned out. I repeat - the rules of this game have not changed since at least the 60s.
          1. sd68
            sd68 22 January 2018 19: 02
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            I understand. Do you sincerely want the AUG screwed up? The desire is understandable, but in this case no facts confirming this are observed. There is nothing special or threatening in flight of planes, this has nothing to do with the combat situation.
            They generally went to Japan, and not to our shores.
            And our waters, is this a tervoids or something?
            Not serious.

            Approximate to the fighting, what is this beast?
            Escort instead of missiles shoots firecrackers?
            Paper airplanes start up instead of f-18?
            IMHO the situation is understandable and obviously- what happened can’t project us a combat situation, so nothing from what I listed above was not even close
  13. bonakva
    bonakva 21 January 2018 12: 23
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    Quote: sd68
    or the submarine came up


    Yes Yes. They surfaced, they asked for salt, all the Americans jumped overboard. And the pilots podkapultirovali, only the Merikos are shy to admit.
  14. NN52
    NN52 21 January 2018 19: 28
    10
    sd68

    Listen, dear ... You got it already ... Well, you are not in the subject, from the word at all ...
    Calm down .. Have something else to drink ...
    At night, when refueling earlier, they did not raise anything.
    And ours, did not include anything, before entering the AUG location zone ...
    Enough already to carry nonsense ...
    Sorry for you to waste time.
    1. sd68
      sd68 21 January 2018 21: 39
      0
      Well, you are talking nonsense.
      Well, in more detail, when in a combat situation Soviet planes flew on an aircraft carrier.
      Where do you get this nonsense?
      1. NN52
        NN52 21 January 2018 21: 55
        +9
        Do you have problems with the Russian language?
        Learn a language and then ask questions.
        For the slow-witted, I already wrote everything, study dear ...
    2. sd68
      sd68 21 January 2018 21: 49
      0
      What difference does not come between peacetime, when everyone can fly, where he wants over international waters, and the fighting situation, when they simply bring down?
      Your problems if not comes
      1. NN52
        NN52 21 January 2018 22: 03
        +9
        Have you ever flown, at least somewhere?
        1. NN52
          NN52 21 January 2018 22: 13
          +9
          For you, I will explain ...
          They DIDN'T BE ABLE TO DETECT ANYONE, before almost passing over the deck ...
          Do you understand?
        2. sd68
          sd68 21 January 2018 22: 38
          +1
          I flew. To Italy in the summer, for example.
          He also served in the Air Force.
          Have you ever commanded an aircraft carrier?
          With such approaches to the dispute as yours, to you Michal Mikhalych Zhvanetsky.

          Firstly, the text of even this “letter” shows that they discovered 40 minutes before the flight.
          Secondly, how do you know when they discovered?
          thirdly, in peacetime, it was entirely possible that only a navigation radar worked — why drive a materiel and spend a resource?
          Fourth, you have no idea what and how it was on the aircraft carrier at that moment.
          Around a ship by plane in peacetime is a common thing; no one should raise any aircraft.
          Not to mention the fact that the carrier’s catapults need to be warmed up for flights - in a combat situation they are kept warm, in peace, why do they waste fuel and resources.
          So do you understand?
          Successes ....
          1. NN52
            NN52 21 January 2018 23: 08
            10
            I did not serve in the Air Force, but flew.
            In the 11th army ...
            He did not command an aircraft carrier.
            Regarding the letter, delirium .. 40 min moreover, the guys went to the PMV ..
            They were not found ...
            Even in peacetime, rarely when we were allowed to reach a range closer than 120 km to the AUG, they lifted them to intercept ...
            And actually, they can take off without a catapult, you are not in the know? Learn the materiel .. And then you all warm something there ....
            Now do you understand this?
            Good luck.

            And Zhvanetsky is not fashionable now ... better listen to Zadornov ...
            1. sd68
              sd68 21 January 2018 23: 49
              +1
              listen if you like and if you have such a mod.
              Zhvanetsky was and remains a legend of humor.
              But in fact, you even read my post?
              Secondly, how do you know when they discovered?
              thirdly, in peacetime, it was entirely possible that only a navigation radar worked — why drive a materiel and spend a resource?
              Fourth, you have no idea what and how it was on the aircraft carrier at that moment.
              Around a ship by plane in peacetime is a common thing; no one should raise any aircraft.
              Not to mention the fact that the carrier’s catapults need to be warmed up for flights - in a combat situation they are kept warm, in peace, why do they waste fuel and resources.
              So do you understand?

              I will answer this way since you did not command an aircraft carrier, so you do not know what and when they should or should not have undertaken.
              Good luck ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 6 March 2018 01: 26
                +4
                Quote: sd68
                NN52: since you did not command an aircraft carrier, you don’t know what and when they should or should not have undertaken.

                Wandered by accident. I didn’t command the “Half a second” aircraft carrier, but believe me, where he studied science, very savvy people put it into his head. The actions of the air defense have not changed for the last fifty years, probably. In this case, the Americans made a mistake and taught them a lesson, very elegantly.
                And after: the leader of the cover group with "half a second" lived in one barracks recourse
  15. sd68
    sd68 21 January 2018 22: 15
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    Cherry nine,
    This is understandable, but they will not take off without a command- and without a catapult.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 21 January 2018 23: 39
      0
      By the guys in the area, I meant the Navy as a whole, not specific pilots.
      1. sd68
        sd68 22 January 2018 19: 03
        0
        All this cannot be projected onto a combat situation.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 22 January 2018 22: 33
          0
          Quote: sd68
          project on a combat situation.

          This is not a combat situation, but paintball.
  16. Klava
    Klava 23 January 2018 04: 25
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    For me, this is the most beautiful airplane of all time.
    1. Tamek
      Tamek 23 January 2018 22: 31
      0
      Avro Vulcan is more beautiful
  17. Snakebyte
    Snakebyte 25 January 2018 23: 51
    0
    Again about the shamed Americans.
    But the article about the American aircraft carrier Midway, which disgraced the entire Pacific Fleet, reconnaissance and aviation (and during the period of maximum power of the USSR), is unlikely to be laid out by anyone.