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Valery Ryazansky: “Three children in a family are real ...”

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Valery Ryazansky: “Three children in a family are real ...”Russia is entering a very serious period: the share of the population in the age from 20 to 40 years is rapidly decreasing, and it is this population that is most active. And if in the 70 of the twentieth century, their share was 60% of the population before the pre-retirement age, it has now decreased to 40%, and continues to decline. Our health is highly dependent on the social policy of the state in which we live. How protected are the state, by its laws, our old people, children, young families, single mothers? This is our conversation with the senator dealing with these problems.


- Valery Vladimirovich, the demographic situation in the country today is so acute that the State Duma unanimously adopted even a whole package of laws initiated by Vladimir Putin ...

- This batch of bills was expected. We could not respond to the rapidly changing environment. Two of the most important laws were adopted - on monthly payments for the birth of the first child and on the extension of the maternity capital program to 2021. The first concerns those families where the husband works, and the wife has been on child care leave for a year and a half, and their total average per capita income is less than one and a half subsistence minimums in the subject of the Federation.

Another law deals with extending the maternity capital program for another three years and expanding its scope. Now the maternity capital can be used to send children under the age of three in the nursery.

- The President set the task to make the Russian family a three-child. How realistic is it anytime soon?

- The modern woman-emancipe is not in a hurry to get married, not in a hurry to give birth to her first child until she gets an education and finds a job with a decent income, does not arrange her own life. Yes, and from career growth will not give up. Yes, and from high tribunes it is increasingly being said about the increasing social and political role of women in society. We cannot forbid people to learn, set global tasks. We can not make everyone have children and stay with them at home. Moreover, the question is always acute: what to live, where to live?

Maternity Capital Act -10 years. That's not a lot. Let's see what will work next. We will index the maternity capital, change its uses, include new options in it. If we understand that a young family in a given period is more important to spend the maternity capital, say, not for housing, but for something else, we will reconsider this norm. If we see that it is necessary to help a young family, not only the first one and a half years of life of their first child, but up to the age of three, we will find this opportunity.

But the task of reaching the standard of a family with three children has not been canceled. This is a strategic task. Here, they say, all means are good. And the mortgage with a rigidly fixed six percent level, and the indexation of maternity capital, and the variability of its use ...

In general, I would not dramatize the situation with demographics. The findings and forecasts of scientists - this, of course, is important. But I would see how society will react. How people will respond to the measures of the state. It may be that these measures will not be enough. And maybe the other way around - the first impulse will become positive, and people will respond to this motivation. This is not the president’s call: “Go and have a baby!” But the creation of a whole institution of social conditions that should influence the public consciousness.

- I heard that there is a special program for regions with a poor demographic situation ...

- Yes, she was accepted by more than 20 regions of Russia. They receive state subsidies for this very purpose - to support the desire of the fathers and mothers to have a third child. We criticize regions that refuse this program.

Another important element in the social policy package. The procedure for indexation of alimony set forth in the Family Code of the Russian Federation to citizens in need of social services and persons acting in their interests has been specified. They are granted the right to submit an application to an organization in the vicinity of their place of residence.

In general, for registration of benefits, parents of children will need to contact the social security authorities of the population or write a statement in the multifunctional center of state and municipal services (MFC).

As part of the legislative support for family policy, a law has been adopted, thanks to which the maternity capital program will be fully implemented on the territory of the Republic of Crimea and in Sevastopol.

- And the young mothers are not bogged down by collecting certificates for receiving maternity capital and other payments?

- You are right, paperwork can devalue any good idea. Therefore, social services in the regions can not be overdone with the documents that must be submitted to receive payments. There should be a clear and comprehensive list of them. Here is a fresh example from my practice. I am considering the appeal of a minor mother from the Kursk region. Requests to render her financial assistance. Requested local rural social services. It turns out the child a few months. The father recognizes paternity, but he does not work. The mother of the mother is also not working. Does not work and cohabitant mother. (Grandmas newborn). The brother of a young mother studying at school. The only employee in the family is the elder sister. Works on a car wash, gets eight thousand rubles and a disability allowance. Here is a picture. Social services keep this family registered. But a minor mother will not receive a subsistence minimum for a child, since she is not subject to the requirements of this law. The question is why the parents of a young mommy do not work, they are only in 40 years.

First of all, it is necessary to help to employ a person, to organize his professional retraining, if it is necessary, so that he himself earned a living. And then further help.

- How to check that the money allocated by the state for raising a child goes to its destination?

- This is, for example, the St. Petersburg experience. In the northern capital, all social payments were transferred to special social cards. This money can be spent only on appropriate goals - children's clothes, medicines, food ... You cannot buy tobacco and alcohol for them. Representatives from forty regions of Russia attended the parliamentary hearings. The experience of St. Petersburg was voiced and taken into account by many.

- At one time it was about the introduction of a unified automated information system of social security. Does she act? If so, to what extent does this system help to monitor the implementation of laws of social policy in the regions?

- There is an order of 500 industry information systems. As a rule, these are local systems - migration system, procurement system, medical system, law enforcement ... Do not forget that we have even more 2000 regional information systems, autonomous. They circulate a huge amount of information. But these systems, unfortunately, are not united with each other and do not fit in any way. People are forced to continue to go to the authorities.

Therefore, we are talking about the technology of introducing a single window MFC. Windows - issuing and receiving. And behind the MFC should be a large information network that would allow to put together the entire information array, pulled everyone into its orbit, right up to the village councils. Now the huge work on the creation of a unified information automated system that will help social workers is being completed.

- Valery Vladimirovich, 21 December 2017 was five years old since the State Duma adopted the so-called “Dima Yakovlev law”, which prohibits US citizens from adopting Russian orphans. Is it still relevant today? Recall, the document received the name of the boy who died in the States in 2008 year due to the fact that the adoptive father left him in the sun in the car ...

- We are ready to cooperate with any countries and any social institutions. But on one condition - Russia retains the right to control what happens to the child in the family who took him up. Not a single state agreement with the countries that have fulfilled such a condition has been terminated. But we cannot agree to cooperate with states that refuse to disclose information about how a child lives in a new family.

In general, the “law of Dima Yakovlev” did not radically affect the number of children placed in families. In recent years, our fellow citizens have become more active in adopting orphans, arranging custody for them. The number of children in orphanages has decreased three times since.

For its part, the state began to pay more attention to the preparation of foster parents. We have become more professional in the preparation of parents who want to bring up children from orphanages, but the problem of secondary orphanhood is still acute. The number of children returned to orphanages from foster families is still large. More orphans appear when parents are alive. There is an acute problem of parental responsibility. In my opinion, the loyalty of the state to negligent parents is sometimes too excessive.


- As you know, allocated one hundred million rubles for long-term care for older people. By analogy with infants, social services can track the fate of very old people, if they live in their own apartments, and not in nursing homes ...

- This is a complex and delicate topic ... The basic law on social services for the population (442) does not prescribe the exhaustive norms of its application. I will remind you. The 2015 Law of the Year gives the green light and opens up tremendous opportunities for social entrepreneurship. The previous law, adopted in 1995, stipulated that public services for social services should be provided by state and municipal authorities. Since 2015, the state has only established social standards and financed such services. The orders for social services themselves are distributed on a competitive basis. Their suppliers can be commercial and non-profit organizations, and individual entrepreneurs.

Regions have the right to make their laws based on their conditions. In the Yamalo-Nenets or Khanty-Mansiysk districts, for example, or in Kamchatka, where people lead a nomadic lifestyle, you will not apply the technologies that have taken root in Moscow.

The order of the 25-ti regions created their own laws allowing escorted residence. Probably an older person to live at home is more comfortable than in a hospital or nursing home. Although statistics, paradoxically, suggests otherwise - the average life expectancy of veterans living in boarding schools is higher than that of their peers living at home. Why? Regular, hourly meals. Regular medical examination. Mode. Prevention. Medications taken on time. Collective forms of participation in life ... And then, family, family, home-to-house are different ...

- The notorious 1200 rubles, which are paid for the supervision and assistance of lonely old people, cannot be received by pensioners, although they often take care of each other. In Japan, for example, there is even a program for the “Elderly for the Elderly” ...


- I see a way out in that socially-oriented non-profit organizations (NPOs) would receive the right to participate in this social service. The list of services to the social basic law (402) is. The services on 40 are more than activities.

NCOs are still moving along the simplest way to receive grants. More than seven billion rubles are allocated for these purposes. The grant can be obtained once or twice, and the NPO will allow for systemic funding. They went to system financing - you can attract veterans to create an institution of mentoring, care, and so on ... It seems to me that this is the perspective. And we will work with NGOs in this part.

In general, retirees themselves must remain active as long as possible. As in the same Japan. More movement, positive!

Recently I got to the competition of sports and ballroom dancing among the elderly. Nice to see! In their eyes you read the call: “Do as I do!”. We have excellent programs for self-education. The TRP program for people of different ages ...

But the problem is that there is a lack of a culture of attitude towards one’s own health. The trend to be healthy should become a fashion, go to society.

Then forget about all the pills that are advertised on TV, and you will only believe in the promotion of a healthy lifestyle. By the way, soon we will come out with an initiative to ban advertising of drugs on television ...
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 05: 41
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    Valery Ryazansky: “Three children in a family are real ...”
    with the salary of a deputy, it’s possible not to keep three, but a whole kindergarten ... hollow breeds.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 19 January 2018 06: 06
      23
      It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.
      1. renics
        renics 19 January 2018 06: 39
        16
        And the most important thing for them would be the availability of housing, this is the main condition. (Valery Ryazansky: Three children per family is real) Then let him first tell you how many apartments or houses he and his close relatives own and own. Whereas even in Moscow, as before, most people (especially young families), as in the last century, live in communal apartments.
      2. Alber
        Alber 19 January 2018 06: 45
        +6
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.

        if the Russians are afraid to have a sufficient number of children, Asians will take their place ...
        somewhere in the suburbs a Kyrgyz village has already appeared
        1. Spartanez300
          Spartanez300 19 January 2018 06: 50
          16
          The main question is what to feed, shoe, dress children and where they will live and in what conditions, and to give birth to a business is not tricky. And this is not fear, but a real approach to the issue.
          1. Victor N
            Victor N 19 January 2018 13: 20
            +7
            This is an old man's approach, for those who are unlikely to have children. Young people rely on their strength, on the fact that they can earn and feed. The family obliges to be energetic. Excessive self-love prevents not only childbirth, but also the creation of a family. When a person gets tired of himself, it is too late to start a family.
            According to custom, our ancestors had many children - as God would give, but they lived in much less prosperity than now.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 20 January 2018 10: 19
              +3
              Dear Victor N, let me ask you how many children you have? At the age of 45, I decided with my wife that we needed another child, whom we are now waiting for. So don't talk about the old man's method. And my wife and I hope only on our own strengths, because there is no benefit from the current government, only harm
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 19 January 2018 14: 24
            +4
            Quote: Spartanez300
            The main question is what to feed, shoe, dress children and where they will live and in what conditions, and to give birth to a business is not tricky. And this is not fear, but a real approach to the issue.

            But -
            The president has set the task of making the Russian family three-child.

            The Glavsterkh again promised something in the electoral delirium, and the State Dura, having finished his affairs on joining the Maltese "knightly" orders, began to raise childbirth en masse with hooting, adopting new fiscal laws.
            Especially distinguished in the "battles" deputy edra gr. Makarov on the Gaidar Sabbath, inventing new taxes. Remember this p .. physiognomy comrades
            And here is how things really are
            see from 1.00
      3. Chertt
        Chertt 19 January 2018 07: 57
        +8
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It is real to have three children in a family if there is a constant income

        All that you say is false, it is obvious if you look at the demographics in the world. Demographic disasters, at the level of extinction of the nation, occur in the most economically stable countries.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 January 2018 09: 20
          +4
          Quote: Chertt
          Quote: Spartanez300
          It is real to have three children in a family if there is a constant income

          All that you say is false, it is obvious if you look at the demographics in the world. Demographic disasters, at the level of extinction of the nation, occur in the most economically stable countries.

          In the US, an average of three children per family. In Western Europe, yes, degeneration. Because of the mentality.
          1. Chertt
            Chertt 19 January 2018 09: 32
            +5
            Quote: Krasnodar
            In the US, an average of three children per family

            White families most often have one child, and that is not always the case. An average of three children, this is due to the large families of emigrants, mainly Hispanics. Interestingly, blacks in the USA even got lazy to breed, their birth rate is falling
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 19 January 2018 10: 38
              +4
              Quote: Chertt
              Quote: Krasnodar
              In the US, an average of three children per family

              White families most often have one child, and that is not always the case. An average of three children, this is due to the large families of emigrants, mainly Hispanics. Interestingly, blacks in the USA even got lazy to breed, their birth rate is falling

              White families in several large cities in the United States - yes, of course - one or two children per family. But in “one-story” America, two or three white children are standard.
              1. Sergej1972
                Sergej1972 21 January 2018 01: 18
                +1
                In "one-story" America, a minority of the US population now lives. Most in megacities and their suburbs. The latter, of course, are one-story, but it's not that traditional “one-story America”.))
            2. Greenwood
              Greenwood 19 January 2018 11: 50
              +2
              Quote: Chertt
              even lazy to breed, their birth rate is falling
              No, they couldn't do it. Just blacks do not like to work, they often sit on unemployment benefits. Plus, for each child they pay a allowance of 900 bucks, so they have enough for a living. So the high birth rate is beneficial to them, the more children, the greater the benefit, therefore you can not work.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 19 January 2018 11: 52
            +4
            In Japan, too, there is a decline in the population, but there the reason is a massive careerism and processing. Young Japanese people work a lot, and as a rule there is no time left for personal life.
          3. Antares
            Antares 19 January 2018 23: 55
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Because of the mentality.

            yeah ... interesting mentality, then they populated all continents, then degenerate .. and all mentality ... maybe something else? Europe is an even more advanced society than traditional America with Protestants and faith in the Bible ... among Europeans and religion is so ... for the sake of ..
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 24
          +1
          Quote: Chertt
          Demographic disasters, at the level of extinction of the nation, occur in the most economically stable countries.

          Just so, in underdeveloped countries, the only hope in old age is children, in developed countries the state will help - therefore children are not needed. Social protection and pension protection essentially kill the nation.
          Quote: Krasnodar
          In the US, an average of three children per family. In Western Europe, yes, degeneration.

          In the US, not everyone pays pensions.
      4. max702
        max702 19 January 2018 09: 50
        +6
        Quote: Spartanez300
        It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.

        You name the number, how much is it? wealth ? Three children, yeah, that means the mother does not work because it is not possible to combine work and the QUALITY education of three children, to be successful tomorrow your child needs to give a lot, now is not the beginning of the 20th century where three classes were enough, alas, not the economic situation is not social it doesn’t help .. In the USSR it was simpler because there were no such problems with kindergartens (although I was satisfied with a bottle of cognac for grand dignity) with the school there were graters but tolerated (in the class of 42 people and the letter "Zh"), at least housing was visible on the horizon, parents worked in the defense industry and in spite of this there wasn’t much money from paycheck to paycheck .. Two children were in the family, three were very rare, and 4-5 mostly gave birth to alcoholics ... And I repeat this in the USSR now with social programs and the economy it’s much worse, I know that there are 5–6 children who are well off for a family, but there is a level of ибо go, for VERY simple mortals are not for them and 20 is not a problem .. And the other sadness with many children is sad .. People understand that they can’t give a child a start in life for this in families of 1-2 children ..
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 19 January 2018 13: 33
          +3
          My wife and I both have higher education. Three children and seven grandchildren, bye.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 19 January 2018 14: 48
            +5
            Quote: woron333444
            My wife and I both have higher education. Three children and seven grandchildren, bye.

            I also have three!
            But now how much money is needed for the birth of a child, personal data for 2012:
            1) .15 tr doctors, for normal birth, care and normal ward
            2) 5t.r-Diapers, baby's undershirts, ceremonial "envelope"
            3) TR 7 - Crib
            4) 12t.r.- Stroller
            5) 5t.r.-female stray
            6) 4t.r.- baby pranks, bottles, nipples, toys, etc.
            7) Nemeryan- baby diapers, bolts
            Total 50 tyrov (in 2012 prices) and this is without taking into account many factors and only in the first month of a child’s life!
            Further more!!!

            Friends, I’m not complaining .. I just hate this power !!! soldier
            1. woron333444
              woron333444 19 January 2018 15: 07
              +2
              My oldest daughter has four, the oldest is 19, and the youngest two. And Asians for some reason do not see how much it costs and increase the birth rate in Russia. And then we resent why there are so many of them.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 19 January 2018 15: 15
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                Quote: woron333444
                And Asians for some reason do not see how much it costs and increase the birth rate in Russia.

                Firstly, the Koran forbids them to have abortions.
                And secondly, 25 million in the Russian Federation live below the poverty line. Everything comes from the state.
                1. woron333444
                  woron333444 20 January 2018 14: 31
                  +2
                  I don’t know who is below the poverty line, but my children live better than I did in Soviet times.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 20 January 2018 14: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: woron333444
                    I don’t know who is below the poverty line, but my children live better than I did in Soviet times.

                    Well done!
                    Only the whole country lives differently.
              2. max702
                max702 19 January 2018 23: 21
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                Quote: woron333444
                And Asians for some reason do not see how much it costs and increase the birth rate in Russia. And then we resent why there are so many of them.

                You are really looking into the eyes! What does their life represent in 99% of the contingent? Do they need science? NO! Art! No! Complex technical specialties? Or do they want to be doctors as doctors? Or maybe pilots or captains? Everything is much more down-to-earth either by traders, or a cafe, or construction of tyap blunders .. Tire service is there, and other low-skilled small businesses .. And for this, it’s not necessary to invest especially in a child, a little can read and write, for which a physicist , chemistry, matan, sopromat, history, geography, astronomy and much more ...That's why two of them in a family or seven does not matter the least, for in food, clothing, everyday life they are unpretentious, BUT it’s not a modern person who grows up from them that will drag civilization forward, but it’s okay .. The Russians (Soviet) don’t want such a share for the child, they understand this way to nowhere .. And by the way, very wealthy families from the same Asians think the same way ...
                1. woron333444
                  woron333444 20 January 2018 04: 01
                  +1
                  I have three and everyone got two higher ones. Is free. In addition to the second highest son. He paid.
                2. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: max702
                  And for this, it is not necessary to invest especially in a child, reading less can be enough, for which he needs a physicist, chemistry, matan, sopromat, history, geography, astronomy and much more ..

                  In short, you do not want to work and do not give your children.
                  1. max702
                    max702 21 January 2018 13: 41
                    0
                    Quote: KaPToC

                    1
                    KaPToC Yesterday, 23:36 ↑
                    Quote: max702
                    And for this, it is not necessary to invest especially in a child, reading less can be enough, for which he needs a physicist, chemistry, matan, sopromat, history, geography, astronomy and much more ..

                    In short, you do not want to work and do not give your children.

                    What have I got to do with it? I have one, and he is successfully studying, knows two languages ​​and the CCM on basketball .. I actually spoke about comrades from the former solar republics .. They don’t need any of the above ...
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 January 2018 15: 19
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              15 tr doctors, for normal birth, care and normal ward

              You are present at the birth with your wife - they won’t ask for a penny. Fear. I agree with the rest. hi
            3. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 20 January 2018 10: 22
              +1
              smile Dear Stroporez, hold on! Soon there will be more fighters in your three-child regiment wink
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 20 January 2018 10: 26
                +1
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                Dear Stroporez, hold on! Soon there will be more fighters in your three-child regiment

                Mysteriously wassat
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 20 January 2018 17: 02
                  +1
                  Well, I have another child on the way, God forbid, not the last! wink And there will be more of us ...
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 20 January 2018 18: 37
                    0
                    Class !!! Respect !!!
                    So we will live! good
            4. KaPToC
              KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 34
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              Friends, I’m not complaining .. I just hate this power !!!

              You simply shift the responsibility for your own egoism to power.
              Points 2) 3) 4) 6) 7) you will remain from the previous child or will remain to future children if you have a first-born.
              Quote: Stroporez
              Total 50 tyrov (in 2012 prices) and this is without taking into account many factors and only in the first month of a child’s life!

              Are you going to give birth every month? Do you need to buy strollers, cribs every month?
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 10: 35
                0
                Please tell me, how many children do you have if not a secret?
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 21 January 2018 11: 52
                  0
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Please tell me, how many children do you have if not a secret?

                  I have two, we will soon have a third ... to do.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 14: 52
                    0
                    Respect !!! And tell me what my egoism is and what I shift to power?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 21 January 2018 19: 39
                      0
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      Respect !!! And tell me what my egoism is and what I shift to power?

                      You justify the unwillingness to have children for various reasons, shifting the blame for the lack of children to power. Selfishness is that children will stop you from living as you want.
                      Not personally you, but in general everyone who has no children.
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 19: 53
                        0
                        Ahhhh! Please forgive me for taking this personally hi
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 January 2018 15: 49
          +2
          Quote: max702
          Quote: Spartanez300
          It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.

          You name the number, how much is it? wealth ? Three children, yeah, that means the mother does not work because it is not possible to combine work and the QUALITY education of three children, to be successful tomorrow your child needs to give a lot, now is not the beginning of the 20th century where three classes were enough, alas, not the economic situation is not social it doesn’t help .. In the USSR it was simpler because there were no such problems with kindergartens (although I was satisfied with a bottle of cognac for grand dignity) with the school there were graters but tolerated (in the class of 42 people and the letter "Zh"), at least housing was visible on the horizon, parents worked in the defense industry and in spite of this there wasn’t much money from paycheck to paycheck .. Two children were in the family, three were very rare, and 4-5 mostly gave birth to alcoholics ... And I repeat this in the USSR now with social programs and the economy it’s much worse, I know that there are 5–6 children who are well off for a family, but there is a level of ибо go, for VERY simple mortals are not for them and 20 is not a problem .. And the other sadness with many children is sad .. People understand that they can’t give a child a start in life for this in families of 1-2 children ..

          For three of me (11 years, 9 months twins) from 300 thousand rubles a month goes. I agree with you.
        3. KaPToC
          KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 30
          +1
          Quote: max702
          And other sorrows with many children .. People understand that they will not be able to give the child the necessary start in life, so in families of 1-2 children ..

          This is just an excuse, for those who do not want to give birth to children, people justify their selfishness, nothing more.
          What start do you need in life? It’s easy to get a working specialty, the state will train you for free, and work on the shaft will be done on working specialties.
          "Necessary start" is to sit in the office and not do nichrome?
      5. Bastinda
        Bastinda 19 January 2018 10: 40
        +6
        Supplement a little. What is needed is confidence in the future. My parents had plans for what will happen in 5 years, what will be in 10. Getting an apartment, buying a car, buying a carpet.
        There was also confidence that the child would go to kindergarten, then to school, go to college, and bread would still cost 20 kopecks, and milk 28.
        Under such conditions, it was possible to give birth and plan. Now it’s impossible to plan even for a year, and each time you have to overcome obstacles.
        It seems to me, until there is confidence that "tomorrow will be better than today," any program as a band-aid for gangrene.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 19 January 2018 13: 31
          +2
          While you wait for "confidence in the future" - life will pass.
          You will wake up old, wretched, useless and uninteresting to anyone. It will become unpleasant for you to be in families, you will lose old friends, you will fall into a binge from loneliness, or you will end up in a sect.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 19 January 2018 13: 47
            +4
            Quote: Victor N
            While you wait for "confidence in the future" - life will pass.
            Here is the youth and brings down from the country to where you can find this same "confidence in the future."
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 40
            +2
            Quote: Victor N
            While you wait for "confidence in the future" - life will pass.
            You will wake up old, wretched, useless and uninteresting to anyone.

            Alas, we can’t get off so easily. Due to a change in the ratio of pensioners working towards retirees, the pension and social systems will skid. There will simply be no one to keep the old men.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 21 January 2018 18: 53
              +1
              Here. He was in the hospital, lying diapers changed once a day, those who do not have relatives - there are not enough attendants.
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 19 January 2018 13: 34
          +2
          We already had three children when we got our first apartment
      6. Anyone
        Anyone 19 January 2018 13: 50
        +5
        I have two children. One is studying at the institute for a fee (there are no budget places at this faculty since 2016. There are several for residents of the Crimea) and this is ~ 19 thousand per month. The youngest is seriously studying a foreign language (12 thousand a month), for an apartment of retired parents on a five-story building of 1973, I pay 12 thousand a month without taking into account electricity, for heating and maintenance of my private house (a modest 135 m2) and electricity I pay 11 thousand in a month, the wife helps her retired mother pay about 6 thousand a month for a communal apartment. Total, only the minimum required expenses excluding products - 60 thousand. Grub and personal expenses for four people (of which three men) - 90 thousand per month. Total 150 thousand. Next, two vehicles - I work 1 hour drive from home, my wife - 30 minutes, but she needs to take her son to school. Actually, two cars in traffic jams consume 400 liters of 95th per month. This is 17 thousand. Plus insurance / maintenance / tax, land tax, home tax, repairs, medicines, etc. force majeure - another 15 thousand per month. Total, 182 thousand per month for two employees. Moreover, without surplus, without loans, without mortgages and other debts. Or 91 thousand per one. Where the hell am I third?
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 January 2018 15: 59
          0
          Quote: Anyone
          I have two children. One is studying at the institute for a fee (there are no budget places at this faculty since 2016. There are several for residents of the Crimea) and this is ~ 19 thousand per month. The youngest is seriously studying a foreign language (12 thousand a month), for an apartment of retired parents on a five-story building of 1973, I pay 12 thousand a month without taking into account electricity, for heating and maintenance of my private house (a modest 135 m2) and electricity I pay 11 thousand in a month, the wife helps her retired mother pay about 6 thousand a month for a communal apartment. Total, only the minimum required expenses excluding products - 60 thousand. Grub and personal expenses for four people (of which three men) - 90 thousand per month. Total 150 thousand. Next, two vehicles - I work 1 hour drive from home, my wife - 30 minutes, but she needs to take her son to school. Actually, two cars in traffic jams consume 400 liters of 95th per month. This is 17 thousand. Plus insurance / maintenance / tax, land tax, home tax, repairs, medicines, etc. force majeure - another 15 thousand per month. Total, 182 thousand per month for two employees. Moreover, without surplus, without loans, without mortgages and other debts. Or 91 thousand per one. Where the hell am I third?

          The challenge is only to increase revenue. Judging by how you calculate, you can handle it.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 49
          +2
          Quote: Anyone
          Where the hell am I third?

          Your math is interesting.
          Quote: Anyone
          I have two children.

          Turner, driver, welder - thousands of workers specialties, which the state will teach you for free.
          Quote: Anyone
          I pay for the apartment of retired parents in a five-story building of 1973

          Parents can be taken to their homes to live, it is bad to leave the elderly to live alone.
          Quote: Anyone
          Grub and personal expenses for four people (of which three men) - 90 thousand a month.

          Well, to eat some much, it would be interesting to know what you eat 90 tyrov a month.

          Your problem is not a lack of money, but your immoderate appetite. All of these expenses you spend on yourself beloved, an extra child, or even a few would not affect the overall picture of your expenses.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 19 January 2018 08: 25
      +4
      Children, grandchildren - always beautiful!
      LONELY OLD WOMEN - always a miserable sight.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 January 2018 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Victor N
        Children, grandchildren - always beautiful!
        When there is something to contain them.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 20 January 2018 07: 52
          0
          Of course, some are not able to support themselves. There are losers in any society.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 50
            +1
            Quote: Victor N
            There are losers in any society.

            The correct word is loafers.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 19 January 2018 11: 59
      +1
      Really and 10 children. But how and where to feed them to the vast majority of Russians? belay
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 51
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Really and 10 children. But how and where to feed them to the vast majority of Russians?

        That’s just there is no problem with feeding in our country, borsch and porridge cost a penny.
    4. woron333444
      woron333444 19 January 2018 13: 20
      +2
      I have three children, there were always those who said "there is nothing to produce poverty." And now we are offended that the Russian population is dying. You just wanted to live for your own pleasure, without straining. And then become guardians of the country and look for the guilty why you have one or two children.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 53
        +1
        Quote: woron333444
        I have three children, there were always those who said "there is nothing to produce poverty." And now we are offended that the Russian population is dying.

        Just a pension should be paid in relation to the number of children raised and raised.
        Quote: woron333444
        And then become guardians of the country and look for the guilty why you have one or two children.

        It is unfair that someone raised children, did not sleep nights, and someone lived his life for his pleasure. Why on earth should someone's children keep other parents?
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 10: 38
      +1
      How I hate this optimistic deputy. How much I have already read such nonsense in the USSR. Stupid but cunning thieving bosses. If only to crow and there at least do not dawn. Cheerfully report, and then just as cheerfully and drown all the initiatives. Or they’re introducing a pattern somehow because neither mind nor imagination. And in general, they do not give a damn about the country and the people just to fill their pocket.
    6. Height
      Height 23 January 2018 19: 04
      0
      What are you saying ?! Is the question really about salary? My father-in-law before perestroika, received 250-300 (had his own small farm) grouse, in season! Mother-in-law didn’t work at all, raised nine children! By the way, she brought up worthy ones, and if many were like them, then it would be easier to live. It seems to me that money is not the main thing here.
      Remember the serfs who had families of more than ten children. No. here the main factor is different.
  2. Knowing
    Knowing 19 January 2018 06: 10
    +5
    Well, the phrase touches: “If we see that it is necessary to help a young family not only the first one and a half years of their first-born’s life, but before the age of three, we’ll find such an opportunity.”... So I want to say - come on, comrade, go down from heaven to the sinful earth and try to live on "total per capita income less ( yes even equal! ) one and a half living wages in the subject of the Federation. " fool
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 06: 18
      +9
      Elections are friends, so the "old songs about the main thing" begin ...
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 19 January 2018 06: 55
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        Elections are friends, so the "old songs about the main thing" begin ..

        Well, you don’t juggle it, the initiative is GOOD in itself, but here the performance, as always with us, wants to leave the BEST and REAL. hi
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 19 January 2018 07: 13
          +5
          Quote: Knowing
          Well, you don’t juggle, the initiative itself is GOOD,

          what is wrong? why do I “distort”? the "initiatives" begin right now for the elections, because after the elections, a huge bolt will fall on the people again, as always. hi
          1. woron333444
            woron333444 19 January 2018 13: 35
            +2
            And you only give birth to the elections?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 10: 51
      +1
      And now they don’t see it? How I like this impudent nonsense.
  3. apro
    apro 19 January 2018 07: 30
    10
    The main question is why? Do our children have prospects? Do we have prospects? Work. Stable prosperity? And then, how much ....
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 19 January 2018 13: 40
      +3
      Until you decide - it will be too late!
      Listen: you have symptoms of a dangerous social illness.
      You may never know how wonderful it is to keep YOUR grandchildren in your arms!
      Yes, grandchildren, because children are troubles, and grandchildren are pure joy. Absolutely sure!
      1. apro
        apro 19 January 2018 14: 59
        +2
        Your confidence is impressive. But the older one can’t find a permanent job. And the younger one don’t know what to advise. What to learn in order to be useful. And provided a reliable future.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 20 January 2018 23: 55
          +1
          Quote: apro
          senior can't find a permanent job

          And what is his specialty?
  4. Vasya Vassin
    Vasya Vassin 19 January 2018 09: 30
    0
    I judge by my colleagues with whom I communicate. Now 2 children in a family is very difficult. Many did not dare to take such a step even because of the mat of capital, but three ...
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 19 January 2018 13: 41
      +2
      Children are not for wimps and losers.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: Victor N
        Children are not for wimps and losers.

        It is easy to throw such words until your life hurts.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 21 January 2018 18: 55
          0
          Strongly and more than once bruised, and therefore I have a judgment.
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 19 January 2018 09: 38
    0
    You can feed the average Russian salary of three children to figs even if you have your own housing.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 19 January 2018 13: 38
      +5
      But how do Asians feed ten, and then they go to Russia and raise the birth rate, at the expense of the Russians. Those who don’t have enough money, nowhere to live, now you have to buy a car, then you have to go to Turkey.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 19 January 2018 15: 18
        -1
        Quote: woron333444
        But how do Asians feed ten, and then they go to Russia and raise the birth rate, at the expense of the Russians. Those who don’t have enough money, nowhere to live, now you have to buy a car, then you have to go to Turkey.

        So, let’s feed a family in Uzbekistan, say, working hard in Russia without any problems.
        Now consider - the average salary in the Russian Federation is 37 thousand.
        Pyaterochka - Magnet for a family of five people per month - 25000 minimum. Housing and utilities - 6000 at best. Schools, kindergartens, medicines - at least 10000.
        Gasoline, clothes? Cinema - parks - fun (for children)?
        Tutors - sections? Mobile connection?
        Count.
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 19 January 2018 17: 21
          +2
          If you count, then you should not live. Born to pay, while you live, pay again, And then you also need to go to the funeral.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 10: 56
            +1
            Quote: woron333444
            If you count, then you should not live. Born to pay, while you live, pay again, And then you also need to go to the funeral.

            Have you lived your whole life at random?
            1. woron333444
              woron333444 20 January 2018 14: 33
              +1
              I never counted on a five-year plan ahead.
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 19 January 2018 09: 51
    +3
    Large families are possible if the rights of men and women are not equal, when the husband works and fully meets the needs of the family and the wife is engaged in housekeeping and raising children. So the roles are different for the sexes, if the roles are mixed up and the woman is forced to work, then when will she raise children? Giving money for children is not an option.
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 19 January 2018 10: 00
      +1
      You know, you're right. The woman was "released" from everyday life so that she went to work and was a full participant in commodity-money relations. The capitalists were pleased with the increase in the sales market, but at the same time they lost in the long run. The collapse of traditional families leads to a reduction in population. If further there will be a sharp reduction in jobs, it is possible that women will begin to squeeze home to the outbreak.
  7. Lars971a
    Lars971a 19 January 2018 11: 13
    +3
    Now there is one child, a feat. Two is above the roof and three must be given a Hero. But seriously, this is not confidence in the future, the lack of a social elevator, etc. .. At the very moment, two of us and my wife regret that there is no third, and it’s too late for me to 53 my wife. I tell my son and daughter no less than three, then you’ll be sorry and their money is always scarce.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 January 2018 11: 36
      +3
      Quote: Lars971A
      Now there is one child, a feat. Two is above the roof and three must be given a Hero. But seriously, this is not confidence in the future, the lack of a social elevator, etc. .. At the very moment, two of us and my wife regret that there is no third, and it’s too late for me to 53 my wife. I tell my son and daughter no less than three, then you’ll be sorry and their money is always scarce.

      We made one, in 10 years twins. Three years later we want to give birth, then adopt a chi to adopt. So far, three boys))))
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 19 January 2018 14: 28
        +1
        I would like to sincerely wish good luck to you and your family. good
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 19 January 2018 15: 05
          0
          Quote: Vasya Vassin
          I would like to sincerely wish good luck to you and your family. good

          Thank you very much, you and your loved ones too!
  8. axxenm
    axxenm 19 January 2018 14: 30
    +3
    3 children in a family is not even a minimum for population growth, but simply to maintain its size
    at the same level .. for population growth an average of 3,5 children per family is needed
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 10: 22
      +1
      Where did you get that figure? 2,11-2,15, if we had 3,5, there would be 3 times more of us through the generation.
  9. HEATHER
    HEATHER 19 January 2018 15: 23
    +4
    Now, maternity capital can be used to send children under the age of three to a day nursery. What? Completely brain drank in the Maldives? Three children in the family? Ryazansky! Put you on a salary of 30 thousand ... Rubles. Do you feed yourself something? And the entire State Duma is 25 thousand green. Take away free transportation for all types of transport, leave it once every 2 years within the country. The rest is at your own expense. Smarties, damn it.
  10. Klaus
    Klaus 19 January 2018 16: 25
    +2
    So I look at all this policy of the last 20 years ... What kind of birth rate can there be?
    In general, during this time I do not recall a single (!) Large-scale, meaningful, strategic program in the field of demography (and in other areas too). All this time we have been observing a convulsive series of individual frictions which ... contradict each other and common sense.! Judge for yourself:
    - Zurabovskie "reform" of the monetization of benefits / Pension reform
    - May decrees / Optimization of education and health
    - Maternity capital / predatory mortgage rate
    - Frantic anti-smoking / food-like palm oil dermo ...
    The list goes on. But it creates the impression, by analogy, how a dunno sits at a broken device and pokes various details into the circuit anywhere: suddenly it works !? ... All these reforms, May decrees, decrees, etc. - this is a set of details. But if the fitter does not have an idea how the circuit as a whole works, and its individual circuits in particular, there will be no result.
  11. Anyone
    Anyone 19 January 2018 16: 33
    +1
    Quote: Krasnodar
    The challenge is only to increase revenue. Judging by how you calculate, you can handle it.

    No point, I guess. An increase in income beyond what is available today requires a disproportionate increase in employment, an increase in business risks, and does not guarantee a stable condition for tomorrow. And I'm already lazy and old)) Now, if I lived in another region and in the countryside, working "for my uncle", I would definitely move to the third ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 19 January 2018 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Anyone
      Quote: Krasnodar
      The challenge is only to increase revenue. Judging by how you calculate, you can handle it.

      No point, I guess. An increase in income beyond what is available today requires a disproportionate increase in employment, an increase in business risks, and does not guarantee a stable condition for tomorrow. And I'm already lazy and old)) Now, if I lived in another region and in the countryside, working "for my uncle", I would definitely move to the third ...

      I work for myself in an unfamiliar country. While managing, through the stump of the deck)))))
  12. Anyone
    Anyone 19 January 2018 16: 41
    +2
    Quote: Krasnodar
    We made one, in 10 years twins. Three years later we want to give birth, then adopt a chi to adopt. So far, three boys))))

    Well done what.
    PS In fact, we have recently decided to scold Europe - it is dying out, they say, is degrading, etc. I periodically visit the Netherlands. No matter how you look at the family - all two, three, four children. Less than two are generally rare. Therefore, there is population growth ...
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 10: 26
      +1
      Do the Arabs? And so around the world, the trend is falling fertility except the poorest countries.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 January 2018 01: 29
      +1
      According to all statistics, there is no particular increase in the Netherlands.
  13. Earnest
    Earnest 19 January 2018 17: 35
    +3
    Quote: Spartanez300
    It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.

    We had four parents. Wife is also the eldest of 4's children. How many children do we have? That's right, 4, we have two of our own and two adoptive fathers, I became a large father in 30 years, and in 32 I have already been commissioned with the working group, into a new life. Eh, he turned around just to find his place in civilian life and feed his family. Now I have 43, there is everything, and a lot. Even a lot, judging by the standards of my native village in Bashkiria and the military town, native to my wife. Children grew up and scattered, with us only the youngest, 12 years. All are arranged and prosperous. And if we were thinking how much I need to earn, so that “we add another child to the 8 fifth five-year life together, if income allows,” then there would be nothing. And we thought the way my father used to like to pronounce (land rest in peace for him); "It would be something to feed, but they grow themselves." Crap is all about prosperity. Although I want to live easily and without problems, but ... Children's "I want" and the woman "need" stimulates a normal man to jump to heaven. Just do not sit, clutch at any opportunity to work and do not thump.
  14. Normal ok
    Normal ok 19 January 2018 19: 17
    +1
    Valery Ryazansky: “Three children in a family are real ...”

    Let him tell the youth. It will be interesting to see the reaction.
  15. Nik2013
    Nik2013 19 January 2018 21: 04
    +2
    Why not do as it was in the GDR. Marrying: the state gives you a 3 bedroom apartment, but not for free. The first child is born - the state deducts 50% of the cost of the apartment, appears - the second child, 75% is debited, appears - the third child, the remaining price of the apartment is written off. That's all, you are at the expense of the state.
    1. woron333444
      woron333444 20 January 2018 04: 03
      +1
      It was almost like that in Bashkiria. Marry - give a mortgage. And then extinguish at the birth of children. Now I don’t know how.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 20 January 2018 10: 26
      +1
      The task of the current government is to earn money on children, but not help families with children! Therefore, this will not happen with this power!
  16. Prutkov
    Prutkov 19 January 2018 22: 27
    +3
    Bad idea is maternal capital. If our ancestors were waiting for help from somewhere, then humanity would have died out long ago. There is never enough money. In youth, there is nothing and everything must be started from scratch, living in a rented apartment, working, walking. In middle age, it is necessary to equip the apartment, feed the children, teach, dress the children. In old age, the pension will go to medicines and gifts to grandchildren. Maternal capital leads to the emergence of a generation of dependents. The main recipients of mother capital are drunkards, low-income people who live for this children's money. And children in such "large families" grow up with the attitude that they all owe them. It’s better to allocate these funds to couples who, for various reasons, cannot get their own child. Reproductive medicine is expensive. And not every family can afford to pay for artificial insemination. And so, finances through such couples will go to the development of medicine, and children will grow up in normal families that can give children a ticket to life. And children should be pulled out of the boarding schools. To do this, you also need to encourage families to take children from the boarding school. Plus, Russia still has the opportunity to attract compatriots from abroad. The current government program is very poor. It is necessary to use the experience of Israel and Poland.
  17. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 19 January 2018 23: 33
    +1
    Quote: Spartanez300
    It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.

    It’s nice to have, but it’s real to have it !!!
    And if without jokes, then not everything depends on money and fear. Look at the health of expectant mothers and fathers.
    Now, if our children / grandchildren have health, then they will have more than one child.
    Well, if there are aunts in 35 years trying to have a child, then ... we’ll die out like mammoths.
  18. Untermensh
    Untermensh 20 January 2018 00: 09
    +3
    I have four-13,10 and 2-by-3. I would go for one more, but my wife is against.;). It was hard with one. With two, a little easier :)). And when the twins were born, it became very good (in the sense of fun and great!))). We live modestly, but enough for life, even a little remains))). I believe that planning a child’s birth with the prospect of immediately passing by or a deputy in the State Duma is foolishness! The richer the life, the more egoism, the less you want to strain with raising children, the more excuses for your laziness))))! In our life, the present is only God, family and children, the rest is husk, temporary and alluvial ... Everything else is passing, fake;))) ...
  19. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 20 January 2018 10: 14
    0
    About three children in the family can only speak of people who have three children, let the rest shut up! Further, with the current government, which deals only with populism and which 50 million people are enough to service the pipe and bodies, even one child is a serious burden on the family budget
  20. Anyone
    Anyone 20 January 2018 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Do the Arabs? And so around the world, the trend is falling fertility except the poorest countries.

    There are just a few "come along" Arabs in Holland. There are Malays and other Indonesians, and the same Arabs, but, for the most part, already Europeans. And yes, the country is motley, since the metropolis was formerly with extensive colonies ...
    But with regard to fertility, the Dutch rule precisely. And moreover, it has always been. The population growth in the Netherlands was significant compared to neighboring countries and 200 years ago, and today continues to remain so. And this is taking into account how many Dutch people left for South Africa and the USA at one time! No, the Dutch in this regard, well done ...
    From 2001 to 2007, I visited Ireland a couple of times a month. There, as in Holland, many left for America and / or the UK. I know well and love Ireland and the Irish, but I see that this country is dying out. Everywhere signs of demographic decline and depopulation. In the Netherlands this is not.
  21. Earnest
    Earnest 20 January 2018 13: 31
    +4
    Quote: Earnest
    Quote: Spartanez300
    It is realistic to have three children in a family if there is constant wealth, and there is no fear about what will happen tomorrow.

    We had four parents. Wife is also the eldest of 4's children. How many children do we have? That's right, 4 ... Now I have 43, there is everything, and a lot. ...

    I’ll add: if I am preparing a contract with people of Turkic peoples, Chinese, etc., I specially find a reason to say that I myself come from a large family and I have 4 children. In 90% of cases gives "+ 100500 respect" laughing, begin to be considered as a more reliable counterparty. Here you have an increase in wealth)
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 21 January 2018 01: 32
      0
      The Chinese seem to condemn large families by the authorities.))
  22. VeteranVSSSR
    VeteranVSSSR 20 January 2018 20: 33
    0
    Remember Leontyev’s song: ,, ... everyone wants to have both a girlfriend and a friend ... '', this is so, for discharge ... and
    essentially, he himself was born in the late fifties. When he went to school, we had 5 first grades.
    My daughter 81 g / r went to school-7 first grade.
    Granddaughter of 05 g / r went to the gymnasium (read school) 1.5 first grades ...
    This is what I mean, not many people even had toilet paper under the USSR; nothing happened in perestroika under Gorbatov; and with developed ka .... the snake already has FSE, but it doesn’t succeed in multiplying. And why, yes, friend, it doesn’t work. Ecology, however ....
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 21 January 2018 00: 06
      +1
      Quote: VeteranVSSSR
      When I went to school, we had 5 first grades.

      My eldest son went to first grade this year, in our rural school this year, five first grades.
  23. onix757
    onix757 21 January 2018 10: 50
    0
    And This is said by the person who participated in the adoption of most anti-people’s laws in the Duma from ep. One of the key figures of a group of persons called ep. The interests of these gentlemen and the interests of the people always look in different directions. However, here you can understand his concern, serfs are less and less, and appetites are farther
  24. amr
    amr 21 January 2018 15: 14
    0
    The fault is not in the economy, the fault in the family institute which is not there right now, it is the philosophy of the state, it is not just 2-3 smart laws!
    Maternal capital is some kind of starting sound ..
    I am 37 years old, I have three children 5,3,1. there is maternal capital, what to do with it ???
    to buy an apartment I need start-up capital ... at the same time, at the age of 30, even before the children, I already built my house on 200 sq. m, in theory I don’t really need an apartment, well, except for passive income, I’d buy an apartment and rent it, money in a family, they will grow someone gets !!! ......
    but I have 3 years of maternal capital, I won’t know what to do with it ...
    my wife recently issued assistance to many children 500 rubles for bread, we in Crimea have such an allowance))))

    There is no state policy in relation to large families, no word from the word!
    What does a large family passport give me ???

    1st without a line in kindergarten, but since we have no places in the kindergarten, then we have a line of beneficiaries including the military, this is about the average son ....
    2nd + communal 50% ....
    3rd + a year 1-2 times we attend cultural events at discounts for large families ... we attend a lot more, but at a discount for large children 1-2 times, for example: Simferopol Zoo and Park for Children provides a discount for many children with current on the 15th months and not all rides)))

    and yes, as the state still has many children, it gives a preferential mortgage and pays 0,5%, those on the loan rate not 13%, but 12,5% ​​really help))))
    but at the same time there is a worker in the village who receives a salary of 8-12 tr, who is engaged in large families, what he does, I don’t know, I saw him once when he issued me a passport for a large family, but if you fire him and give the money to families, it’s more sense) )))
  25. amr
    amr 21 January 2018 15: 17
    0
    Quote: VeteranVSSSR
    Remember Leontyev’s song: ,, ... everyone wants to have both a girlfriend and a friend ... '', this is so, for discharge ... and
    essentially, he himself was born in the late fifties. When he went to school, we had 5 first grades.
    My daughter 81 g / r went to school-7 first grade.
    Granddaughter of 05 g / r went to the gymnasium (read school) 1.5 first grades ...
    This is what I mean, not many people even had toilet paper under the USSR; nothing happened in perestroika under Gorbatov; and with developed ka .... the snake already has FSE, but it doesn’t succeed in multiplying. And why, yes, friend, it doesn’t work. Ecology, however ....


    No ecology, consumer society, emancipation, pornography, other idols, freedom and lack of responsibilities for spouses, devastation is not in the wallets of devastation in the heads!
  26. maxes
    maxes 21 January 2018 15: 19
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    Yes . I live in the Urals, in a small industrial city (two hours drive to Yekaterinburg), compared to others I have a great salary ... 36 thousand on hand, maybe I'm an expert in my field. From them, subtract 5 thousand communal and 13 pieces of mortgage. How much are the products? Yes, as much as in Moscow, in St. Petersburg, in Yekaterinburg - the price is even higher; transporting is not profitable in a small city. The average salary on hand in the city is 20-25 thousand (I say, I’m still good).
    That is, for 18 thousand I have to live, feed my wife, three children? Are you kidding?
    Or maybe you need to attend to the increase in salaries to people in Russia? Yes, Russia and Moscow are two different things, Russia will live without Moscow, but Moscow without Russia will not.
    Are you developing an economy? But what for it is needed if there is nothing to raise children? Children need to be developed, children. Of these, People grow up, and People move Russia forward.