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There is nothing to feed the country, import substitution failed

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The “golden era” of import substitution in Russia seems to be over - more and more imported products are on the shelves and windows. In 2017, four times more vegetable oil was brought from abroad, twice as many potatoes, onions, and garlic ... Is it really so quickly forgotten how to grow it yourself ?!


There is nothing to feed the country, import substitution failed


Farms are building ... And there is nothing

2018 began with a number of positive Newsrelated to import substitution. For example, one of the country's largest greenhouse complexes, Yugagroholding, opened in Dagestan (Kumtorkalinsky District), a large goat farm in Mari El (Sernursky District), and the Ozon Farm pharmaceutical plant in Togliatti.

In the Leningrad Region (Vyborgsky District), the production of lactose-free milk was launched at the Losevo Production Association, the expansion of the Bris-Bosfor shoe factory began in Novorossiysk, and a floating marine fish processing plant was started in the Sakhalin Region.

The official figures of Rosstat should also inspire optimism. So, following the results of 2017, the production of fruits, berries and nuts increased by 85%, fish products (including fish fillets) increased by 28%, and frozen fish by 4%.

However, this is where the positive news ends. Against the background of rising oil prices (over the past six months, prices for the Brent oil futures contract jumped almost 1.5 times - from $ 48 to $ 69 per barrel), revenue from export sales of raw materials is also growing. According to the estimates of the Federal Customs Service (FCS), foreign purchases are also growing: from the beginning of the 2017 year (so far there are eleven months data available), transport and electrical equipment have been imported into Russia by almost 27% more, including trucks - by 54% .

Imports of footwear increased by 14%, cotton fabrics - by 52%, plant protection products - by 11%. In words, the policy of import substitution in the food sector is declared. But stubborn statistics show that food is also being imported into Russia more and more.

Accounts Chamber did not count potatoes

According to official statistics, over the months of 11, imports of vegetable oil (four times), grapes, onions, garlic, potatoes, cabbage, and milk increased over the course of the month. Contrary to declarations, purchases of meat (including poultry), fish, butter are growing ... Milk production remained at the level of 2017 of the year - 2015 million tons. At the same time, the share of domestic products is only 30,7% with the minimum required, according to the Food Safety Doctrine, 80%.

According to the Federal Customs Service, a third more corn was purchased abroad for 2017 (46 thousand tons), 14% more barley (169 thousand tons). We are importing even wheat - however, last year it was one and a half times less intensive than it was in 2016 year (thousands of tons were bought “for all” 247).

But all this is the main commodity items, for the replacement of which the state policy in the agro-industrial complex of the last years was directed.

The situation with import substitution interested even the Accounts Chamber of Russia. Strange as it may seem, most of the auditors are alarmed by the situation with potatoes: the area under this crop is reduced, the country lacks potato storages, the infrastructure for logistics and improvement of root crops is not developed.

Accordingly, the gross yield is also decreasing: according to Rossatat, for 11 months of 2017, it amounted to 29,6 million tons - this is almost 5% less than it was a year earlier. In the Potato Union of Russia, it is believed that more potatoes are produced in the country than citizens can eat.

And that would be true if not one "but." Synchronously with a decrease in yield, potato imports (fresh and chilled) are growing: last year it doubled, exceeding 550 thousand tons. While in the 2016 year, on the contrary, "potato" imports steadily declined.

The ruble has risen - and with it the import

What times is going on today Russian import substitution in agriculture - light or dark? We asked this question to our regular experts on economic issues - and they do not hide their pessimism.

Roman Alekhin, founder of the Alekhin & Partners marketing group:

- Most likely, it is not worth waiting for any special success and a significant increase in the volume of import substitution in 2018!

The growth of import substitution was associated not only with sanctions and prohibitions, but also with the fall of the ruble exchange rate, which peaked just in the 2014-2015 years. And now there is every reason to predict a stable ruble rate over the course of 2018 of the year (unless there are some sudden negative factors, such as a sharp fall in oil prices or a serious geopolitical conflict).

The share of imports will grow in the 2018 year, which will lead to negative trends in the area of ​​import substitution - many products will return, and consumers will prefer Western products. This is due to the fact that far from all spheres Russian manufacturers were able to come closer to the price / quality ratio offered by Western companies.

Now complain about the low quality in the field of engineering and shipbuilding - large players prefer products from foreign manufacturers, as they have higher quality. We have high quality products in agriculture: dairy products, cheeses, fruits and vegetables can compete with foreign ones. The same types of cheeses, which were under the action of sanctions, appeared on the Russian market from domestic producers, of quite comparable quality.

Moses Furschik, managing partner of FOC Company (Financial and Organizational Consulting:

- The most relevant topics for import substitution in the near future are milk, fruits, and also greenhouse vegetables. In other areas, either a sufficient level of domestic production has already been achieved, or there is no economic sense in its radical expansion.

A separate topic is fish. There are prospects for increasing supplies from the Far East, as well as the development of fisheries in the European part of Russia. For the first, improvement of the logistics infrastructure is needed, and for the second, a gradual launch of a significant number of not very large projects. Both that, and another - not absolutely fast process.

In general, to support import substitution, not prohibitive measures are more beneficial, but budget co-financing or incentives for investment projects. There is no certainty, stability or transparency with these questions.

In general, now it is not the import substitution issues themselves that should become more important, but the quality control of the products produced and the stimulation of the deeper processing of agricultural commodities.

And another important aspect of the near future, in my opinion, is the support of food exports (including those produced in the Far East), especially to the APR countries.

This is what Pavel Grudinin thinks about import substitution in Russia:

- Tkachev must first see how many tractors and combines we buy. And he will understand that due to the fact that we have ceased to buy agricultural equipment at all, soon he will have to go out into the field with his subordinates and mow. And, maybe, then we will reach 100% of import substitution.

In order to compete at least with Belarus, Tkachev needs to look at the data on the amount of fertilizer applied by us and them. Where does a good harvest come from in Russia if we fertilize three times less than Belarusians?
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  1. captain
    captain 21 January 2018 15: 09
    28
    Everything is so bad, will we die tomorrow? Anton Chablin, well, tell me what to do? Save the Russian people with good advice.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 15: 45
      11
      kitchen gardens! We have tomatoes - less than 200 do not come, and shine like varnished. Cucumbers - 200 - 600 rub / kg
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 21 January 2018 15: 52
        +5
        Quote: Overlock
        kitchen gardens! We have tomatoes - less than 200 do not come, and shine like varnished. Cucumbers - 200 - 600 rub / kg

        Moscow? We are two times cheaper. Apples are twice as expensive as last year from 60 rubles.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 21 January 2018 15: 54
          +6
          Yes. 60 were last year. This year, Lipetsk - 90, imported - up to 150
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 21 January 2018 18: 51
            15
            Quote: captain
            Everything is so bad, will we die tomorrow? Anton Chablin, well, tell me what to do? Save the Russian people with good advice.



            Competition appears

            It’s necessary to work like that, I liked the price of bullying and selling dirty and beaten potatoes.
            Groaned
      2. Terenin
        Terenin 21 January 2018 16: 20
        22
        A. Chablin (propagandist of liberal values) submit a cool story! Otherwise, who will need a newspaper that has not been able to "dig up" the exclusive? But in fact - the usual art whistle of the school of E. Gaidar.
        1. renics
          renics 21 January 2018 18: 00
          +8
          Artistic, I wouldn’t say so, read his many articles and it will be seen that these are school essays on the subject of what the hell he knows about. Especially their countrymen from Stavropol do not favor his writings.
      3. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 22 January 2018 05: 52
        +7
        Quote: Overlock
        kitchen gardens! We have tomatoes - less than 200 do not come, and shine like varnished. Cucumbers - 200 - 600 rub / kg

        Where are you from? from Chukotka? Magadan? Franz Joseph Land? in Novosibirsk, cucumbers yesterday cost 100-160, tomatoes depending on the "varnishing" 90-200
        1. Goba
          Goba 22 January 2018 15: 46
          +3
          Chukotka. Tomatoes / cucumbers 650-750
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 24 January 2018 11: 55
          +2
          Quote: K0
          в Novosibe cucumbers were yesterday 100-160, tomatoes depending on "varnishing" 90-200

          Cheaper than in Moldova! belay recourse
          1. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 24 January 2018 11: 58
            +2
            Quote: Olgovich
            Cheaper than in Moldova!

            get over to us))) in general, not expensive products, and bruised weather: +30 in summer, -40 in winter laughing fellow
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 January 2018 13: 07
              +1
              Quote: K0
              Quote: Olgovich
              Cheaper than in Moldova!

              get over to us))) in general, not expensive products, and bruised weather: +30 in summer, -40 in winter laughing fellow

              Thank! It will be necessary to at least go!
              The people are amazing: they cry about "high cost", not noticing that they live better than others:
              we have gasoline about 60 rubles and rent about 11 thousand rubles, pensions - 2900 rubles
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 January 2018 13: 15
                +2
                But our local fish is not expensive. common carp 150. the spirit is finally 50, the melkoten is different for the change ... the sea truth bites, but if you don’t blow the trout. Far Eastern salmon is less than 200. Norms on our salaries are adequate.
                The climate is not like in Sochi. but also the norm!
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 25 January 2018 11: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  But our local fish is not expensive. common carp 150. the spirit is finally 50, the melkoten is different for the change ... the sea truth bites, but if you don’t blow the trout. Far Eastern salmon less than 200.

                  Live well! And gas is two times cheaper ..... good
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 25 January 2018 11: 43
                    +1
                    Norm, we don’t survive, we just live!
                    Gasoline is not 2 times, so.
                    We are not fattening, but in the near future there is a desire to buy a new typewriter.
                    Not the same everywhere. but we have a large industrial area, factories are working.
                    Capitalism however. We have a great holiday, the anniversary of the Battle of Stalingrad, the state establishment on the day off on February 2. and our landlord is calving ... I promised my son a trip to an air show !!!! working day, working time ... the GDP will come to us and so boom to hope. I'm talking about the show!
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 15: 51
      19
      Quote: captain
      Everything is so bad, will we die tomorrow? Anton Chablin, well, tell me what to do? Save the Russian people with good advice.

      Just from the agricultural market, Volga region, 800 km from Moscow. Potato 27-34, bought a loin of pork for boiled pork - 220 rubles, turkey fillet-320, horse meat, beef, lamb, rabbit more expensive. River fish (carp, carp, etc.) from 100rub.
      Cognitive dissonance however. Perhaps where food is bad, you need to check the effectiveness of local governance and budget utilization?
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 22 January 2018 01: 54
        +8
        There is an unrelenting crush on the market at the weekend, and sellers of prices wind up looking at it. On weekdays, not everyone has the opportunity to visit the market. Although the share of domestic products in the agricultural market is much higher than in networks. Before the new year, I personally bought local apples 50-70 rubles / kg - just magnificent - fragrant and very tasty. I also bought red caviar from chilled raw materials (560 rubles / 150 gr., Sakhalin, and in the networks there was only frozen raw materials (from 260 rubles / 100 gr., Shit in other words. Beef (500 rubles / kg. Rump) and pork ( 300 rubles / kg. Neck), local, bought.
        In the networks of the domestic only cabbage, beets, onions, herbs, radish, and, so far, potatoes and carrots (in a couple of weeks will be replaced by imported ones). Cucumbers and tomatoes - local and imported - are of disgusting quality (without taste and smell) and are prohibitive (from 150 rubles / kg fresh and about 100 rubles / kg. - stale).
        The meat in the nets, except for poultry, is almost all imported. Milk - all powder, with "impurities" whole.
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 22 January 2018 11: 18
          +2
          This is in big cities. We have only imported apples from 90-120r. Mostly all products are local. Meat in the market from 200 to 240 rubles.
          1. Pivot
            Pivot 23 January 2018 20: 21
            +1
            Yes, what kind of nonsense, beef imported the Miratorg and even pork TV de theme, duck and turkey company resource from the Rostov region. Where have you seen imported meat and from which countries is it? In general, the article is nonsense. Before the election, there will always be reasons to let the masses go. It is necessary to warm up the electorate.
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 15
        +1
        So in our Adygea - everything is fine! I don’t want to paint a lot. So, a little bit. Chickens from 83 to 125 per kg, pork from 165 to 200, potatoes - 26-35, interior - 220. bread from 17 to 30 per 0,5 kg. The most expensive is fish !!!
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 21 January 2018 16: 02
      45
      Brent oil jumped almost one and a half times - from $ 48 to $ 69

      But the dollar for some reason did not go down to 40 rubles! How so? According to the blue screens we were told that the fall of the ruble in direct is due to the drop in oil. In fact, there is no doubt whatsoever, since we personally observed this process. And all the strange oil rate watched more often than weather reports. But, why now the ruble is not recovering after oil? Why do officials say they will hold back this process? ... The people were robbed under the guise of a drop in oil. When oil is restored, no one is going to give people what they have taken.
      In words, the policy of import substitution in the food sector is declared. But stubborn statistics indicate that more and more food is being imported into Russia.

      Roman Alekhin, founder of the Alekhin & Partners marketing group:
      - Most likely, it is not worth waiting for any special success and a significant increase in the volume of import substitution in 2018!

      Obviously, what is desired does not coincide with the reality. Here all claims are only to the government. Here one of the two, or not realistic tasks set (problems with planning), or do not cope with their work (do not fulfill the plans). Everything is equally bad. So is it worth trusting the country's future to a team of outsiders?
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 January 2018 16: 46
        41
        And you walk through the rural outback not far from Moscow, for example, through my Smolensk or Tver regions and you will see complete desolation, bare fields, half-extinct villages with sloping pipes in which old people live their 20 century and there is no import substitution or developed agriculture. Feather grass and ivan tea sway through abandoned graveyards.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 21 January 2018 18: 27
          18
          But who doesn’t let them plant potatoes? Medvedev banned or not dug up? Screaming "no work" - they do not give a passage. And they don’t want to move a digger!
          Again - "Putin is GUILTY" ?!
          1. Stin 55
            Stin 55 22 January 2018 00: 33
            21
            Are you talking about a bag of cartopli for the winter yourself or on an industrial scale, for a Country?
            If about the country and the scale, then today you will be crushed by both locals (local authorities), and resellers and banks. You need to plow the dugout, fertilize, plant seeds, care for and then collect, this is if it comes to the harvesting. For all this, equipment is needed, for gasoline technology - a solarium, etc., etc. Money is needed for the purchase. Do you know the interest at banks? God give you what would be the first crop to "beat off." You for the third season will not know how to get rid of the Economy.
            Well, if for Himself a beloved, you can grow in pots on the windowsill and catch likes in YouTube on YouTube ...
            I wish you success.
            1. Victor N
              Victor N 22 January 2018 15: 37
              +6
              Just statistics: in Ukraine, 95% of potatoes are supplied by private farms; for Russia, I have not found data. ukrov’s mentality is different, of course, but one can say that someone’s hands do not grow from there. Isn’t it offensive?
            2. KAV
              KAV 22 January 2018 22: 28
              +4
              And you in the Nizhny Novgorod region, for example, take a walk. Around developed land, fields. They constantly grow something, collect it. Is there really a different percentage for banks ?? So maybe it's still not the guarantor's fault? Can local governments still be to blame? Or, really, those who do not want to work, but only yells that there is no work?
          2. Alber
            Alber 22 January 2018 18: 37
            +3
            Quote: Victor N
            But who doesn’t let them plant potatoes? Medvedev banned or not dug up? Screaming "no work" - they do not give a passage. And they don’t want to move a digger!
            Again - "Putin is GUILTY" ?!

            Of the lizuns?
            And how long will you hold JohnTriVolta on one potato? digger...
            1. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 23 January 2018 16: 20
              +5
              Are you from the ministers of the State Department? Again, they took up the theme of "chief, the mustache is gone, tomorrow they remove the gypsum", but it is understandable, because the elections are on the nose. If Putin is guilty, it’s only that he is too liberal with the local authorities and loafers in general, we need a couple of generations of Stalin to teach everyone, especially those who suffer from “hunger”, how to achieve full import substitution .
          3. a housewife
            a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 17
            +1
            Yes, everyone went to Moscow to work. And nothing grows there, only cacti! And also oaks and ash! lol
          4. rumatam
            rumatam 9 February 2018 16: 07
            0
            Those who brought in a collar with the Colorado potato beetle and cancer put all of Russia, had not been to Siberia before. Suggests thoughts of intentional acclimatization to the cold.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 21 January 2018 20: 47
          +5
          Yes, you really need to walk, all the fields are empty, like trees and gardens - probably because it’s winter grandpa.
        3. sapporo1959
          sapporo1959 21 January 2018 22: 37
          +6
          Well, then the cry thunders around the country about the Far Eastern hectare! Ten days from Moscow by train, then through the taiga for a week on olezhki, well, there are a couple of kilometers on foot and here it is the same and your hectare. I don’t want to work!
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 22 January 2018 15: 14
            10
            Quote: sapporo1959
            Well, then the cry thunders around the country about the Far Eastern hectare!

            Miraculously, he went to the Far East from Belarus and saw with his eyes through. fellow
            1. sapporo1959
              sapporo1959 22 January 2018 19: 24
              +2
              What is your name some kind of tricky? It’s easier for me to just be Michael. Oh well! Well, as for the hectare, I just lived there in the Far East for 46 years and therefore, of course, I know about it, unlike you, not only from newspapers ...
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 22 January 2018 19: 35
                +6
                Quote: sapporo1959
                Well, about a hectare, I just lived there in this Far East for 46 years

                Forgiveness Michael. hi He aged a little bit (I mean myself) didn’t bother to look into your profile, which says in black and white: “Sakhalin’s pensioner. They saw the Far East with their own eyes. And the flag of Belarus, as I understand this designation of your homeland. Please forgive me . drinks hi And the name was simply shortened for convenience. Best regards, Michael! hi
                1. sapporo1959
                  sapporo1959 22 January 2018 20: 15
                  +1
                  Yes, that's okay. In political battles, they sometimes tear their heads off, and here they’re just names. So I apologize. Well, in Belarus I was just born, well, I already spent the bulk of my life there, and now I’ve already gone on a well-deserved type of rest here again with my passport and a Russian. to speculate. Moreover, I also had a chance to uproot him at the time, like under a summer cottage ....
                  1. vlad66
                    vlad66 22 January 2018 20: 58
                    +8
                    Quote: sapporo1959
                    In political battles, they sometimes tear their heads off, and here they’re just names. So I accept my apologies.

                    Thank you Michael, as an old-timer, you know that the site used to be much calmer and cleaner, but as the election campaign begins, your head just goes around request
                    Quote: sapporo1959
                    . So there seems to be an opportunity to compare Belarus and Russia, but to speculate about a hectare. Moreover, I also had the opportunity to uproot it at the time of type for a summer cottage ....

                    You and cards in hand. Regards Michael! drinks hi
        4. tochila
          tochila 21 January 2018 23: 16
          +3
          Walk around the Vladimir region !!! The reverse picture !!
        5. astronom1973n
          astronom1973n 22 January 2018 06: 57
          +8
          We must work on the ground! But the earth does not like drones! And many who live in the villages do not want to do anything, only jam vodka! The one who works, he lives in the villages. Of course modestly, in comparison with Moscow, but lives! And loafers only moan.
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        6. dzuar saubarag
          dzuar saubarag 22 January 2018 11: 13
          +2
          Speak the truth, fellow countryman! Pretty dull sight: the ruins of farm buildings, desolate fields. Smolensk Flax Mill, capable of producing world-class fabrics in theory and even (in theory) converted to local raw materials into ... right! - shopping center. In general, fun ((((
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 20
            +2
            So tell me the sternum - let him build a new one, or else he says, I want to plant flax, I can’t eat already, but there’s no plant!
        7. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And you walk through the rural outback not far from Moscow, for example, through my Smolensk or Tver regions

          Russia does not end with the surroundings of Moscow. And everything depends on specific people. If it is profitable to grow, they will. It is profitable to outbid without leaving the warm office, they will do so .. Everything is measured only in money.
      2. Victor N
        Victor N 21 January 2018 18: 22
        +9
        How in your right mind to blame the government for the lack of vegetables ?! March to the garden!
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 21 January 2018 21: 21
          +2
          In the siege of Leningrad, cabbage was grown on flower beds and carried water for irrigation from the river with buckets. Why not take an example from them? That will be a complete import substitution.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 January 2018 21: 23
            +3
            Flock to "all sorts of evil. Moderators! Your stupid robot animal horny does not pass! laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 21: 31
              +7
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Moderators! Your stupid animal horned robot does not miss!

              This is all right. I have today refused a link with angel letters belay
          2. Petr1968
            Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 53
            +2
            Quote: siberalt
            In the siege of Leningrad, cabbage was grown on flower beds and carried water for irrigation from the river with buckets. Why not take an example from them? That will be a complete import substitution.

            It’s easier for me to buy than to carry water from the Moscow river, don’t you?
      3. Cube123
        Cube123 22 January 2018 09: 37
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        Brent oil jumped almost one and a half times - from $ 48 to $ 69

        But the dollar for some reason did not go down to 40 rubles! How so? According to the blue screens we were told that the fall of the ruble in direct is due to the drop in oil. In fact, there is no doubt whatsoever, since we personally observed this process. And all the strange oil rate watched more often than weather reports. But, why now the ruble is not recovering after oil? Why do officials say they will hold back this process?

        I will answer with a quote https://otvet.mail.ru/question/7270743
        "Ignorance - ignorance, ignorance, lack of education, lack of inner culture.
        It is inherent in most modern people who like to “puff out their cheeks”, pretending to be “one of the few,” while being completely illiterate .. Ignorance involves not only ignorance, but also neglect of knowledge - an inquisitive person knows “involuntarily”, by virtue of their innate qualities and interest. "


        Well, read at least something from macroeconomics. There is nothing supernatural there. Although it would be the simplest http://bookwu.net/book_makroekonomika_718/50_10.3
        .-valyutnyj-kurs.
        The exchange rate determines the country's foreign trade balance, and not the cost of oil at all. Hint: we have a FLOATING course.
      4. Kent0001
        Kent0001 23 January 2018 19: 17
        +1
        Nobody will allow the ruble to grow, even with rising oil prices. Now the Central Bank is buying up reserves. Cheap ruble is a competitive advantage of the economy. You can continue to bawl, but rather, learn the economy. And do not confuse soft with warm.
      5. Pivot
        Pivot 23 January 2018 20: 23
        +1
        If the dollar drops to 40 r, then there will definitely be no import substitution, I am for it to cost 100 r.
      6. woron333444
        woron333444 24 January 2018 05: 56
        0
        I have a familiar farmer, so he was for the whole dollar not to be less than 60. He started with 300 hectares of land, and now 1200.
    4. renics
      renics 21 January 2018 16: 43
      +8
      And who is this Chablin, an outstanding scientist agronomist like Lysenko, a national academician, without an appropriate education and writing about agriculture. The amazing thing is, what kind of person, with incomprehensible aspirations. Activity: Political observer of the independent socio-political newspaper of the Stavropol Territory "Open Newspaper". For Everyone and Everyone, "a political scientist. Moreover, from his words.
      Education. University: StGMA. (Stavropol Medical University) Faculty: Medical. Form of study: Full-time. Status: Graduate (specialist) Apparently a medic with a political and agricultural bias. Then, North Caucasian Federal University Stavropol. Faculty: Humanitarian Institute. Form of study: Correspondence department. Apparently he didn’t want to work as a doctor, because he didn’t have to wiggle the bags with his tongue. Life position. Polit. preferences: Secular humanism. Worldview: Liberal. I posted everything about myself as a spirit in Vkontakte. https://vk.com/achablin
      I represent get acquainted.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 21 January 2018 17: 14
        +6
        Quote: renics
        I represent get acquainted.

        I would not leave such money for storage. lol
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 21 January 2018 17: 37
          +5
          In 2017, they brought in four times more vegetable oil from abroad, twice as much potato, onion, garlic ... Is it really so quickly forgotten how to grow yourself ?!
          something is being grown by farms, but ... where is such a "vegetable" from? my own is stored in the “hole” almost until a new crop (leftovers) —familiar ones who “grabbed” cheaply potatoes in the “true” or “five” kilograms of 300 - almost all of them were thrown out in a month — it went bad. I don’t want that. stop therefore, in spite of everything, as long as I can, I will grow my own.
          1. Normal ok
            Normal ok 21 January 2018 19: 42
            +5
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            I don’t want that. therefore, in spite of everything, as long as I can, I will grow my own.

            His, but not his. Where does the seed fund come from? It is mostly imported.
        2. renics
          renics 21 January 2018 17: 44
          +2
          You read my comment at the bottom, there is everything that it is.
        3. Stin 55
          Stin 55 22 January 2018 00: 44
          +1
          And you suggest ... You think it will take? I doubt it. By the way, in the article he does not ask anyone about this.
          We love to pass on personality.
          Mikhail Zadornov, like Izmailov Lyon, so they generally finished MAI ...
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 21 January 2018 19: 57
        +3
        An alien place took and became nothing: Secular humanism. Worldview: Liberal. Politgopot.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 21 January 2018 21: 49
        +3
        Quote: renics
        prominent scientist agronomist like Lysenko

        Lysenko is an outstanding breeder. Hard worker. In his time, nothing was known about DNA, in the end, the observations made by him were correct, and the scientific basis was not enough for the conclusions.
        Equating Chablin to him is incorrect.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 22 January 2018 17: 48
          +2
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Lysenko - an outstanding breeder

          Are you confusing anything? The party functionary, the executioner, who impeded the development of genetics, was also a scam from science. He was barely discouraged from the academy, after which science flourished.
          The breeder was the great Vavilov. His collection was saved even in besieged Leningrad.
          The sad story of the great brothers Vavilov-physics and genetics. Alas, Lysenko prospered.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 22 January 2018 20: 46
            +2
            You are right, I made a reservation. You see, agrobiology, which Lysenko was engaged in, has nothing to do with Genetics, Genetics has almost nothing to do with genetic engineering, and so on ... In those days, people tried to do science on the basis of meager knowledge and observations for the sake of politics. Hence all the problems. If Vavilov saved collections in Leningrad, the method of adaptation of seeds to the cold Lysenko gave results in starving Ukraine, and not bad. In general, they all slowed down each other. About combining science and politics of that time is well written in the book Lisichkina "War after War"
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 23
          +2
          Lysenko is a hard worker? Lysenko? !!! But weren’t it with these very works on genetics that they hacked? !!!
      4. woron333444
        woron333444 22 January 2018 11: 24
        +2
        So in agriculture and in strategy everyone understands. At VO everyone knows everything. And how to win in Syria, and how to boost the economy. They only complain that there is no work for them. Have you tried to search? It's easier to knock on the clave.
      5. Alber
        Alber 22 January 2018 18: 45
        +1
        Quote: renics
        And who is this Chablin, an outstanding scientist agronomist like Lysenko, a national academician, without an appropriate education and writing about agriculture. The amazing thing is, what kind of person, with incomprehensible aspirations. Activity: Political observer of the independent socio-political newspaper of the Stavropol Territory "Open Newspaper". For Everyone and Everyone, "a political scientist. Moreover, from his words.
        Education. University: StGMA. (Stavropol Medical University) Faculty: Medical. Form of study: Full-time. Status: Graduate (specialist) Apparently a medic with a political and agricultural bias. Then, North Caucasian Federal University Stavropol. Faculty: Humanitarian Institute. Form of study: Correspondence department. Apparently he didn’t want to work as a doctor, because he didn’t have to wiggle the bags with his tongue. Life position. Polit. preferences: Secular humanism. Worldview: Liberal. I posted everything about myself as a spirit in Vkontakte. https://vk.com/achablin
        I represent get acquainted.

        for public (budget) money he graduated from two universities, but did not want to work in his specialty. went in revenge, write articles ...
        and the guys from the outback who really wanted to learn flew thanks to such "whistlers"
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 21 January 2018 17: 51
      +5
      What to do ?
      Nobel laureate, physicist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Zhores Alferov.
      And here are two more interviews by other scientists
      http://e-news.su/mnenie-i-analitika/209737-interv
      yu-zhores-alferov-sergey-glazev-sergey-rukshin.ht
      ml
    6. Bykov.
      Bykov. 22 January 2018 18: 21
      +1
      Quote: captain
      Everything is so bad, will we die tomorrow? Anton Chablin, well, tell me what to do? Save the Russian people with good advice.

      He wrote about Russia for sure?
    7. Victor N
      Victor N 23 January 2018 11: 31
      +1
      Judging by the volume of advertising, Russians spend huge sums on food for dogs and cats. I do not think that they themselves consume it. So the starving and impoverished people are greatly exaggerated.
  2. groks
    groks 21 January 2018 15: 14
    28
    Brrrr ... agitation from Grudinin? Some sort of import substitution dreamed of, which began and then ended. While we have imported 99% of the seeds from the west - there is no need to talk about any substitution.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 15: 22
      11
      Quote: groks
      we have 99% of seeds imported from the west

      Reclining firewood such information?
      1. groks
        groks 21 January 2018 15: 32
        +8
        From Tkachev.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 15: 35
          +8
          Quote: groks
          From Tkachev

          Brevity - she, of course ... sister ...
          A source to bring, so you can look at it, religion does not allow you?
          1. groks
            groks 21 January 2018 15: 39
            +9
            Why you asking?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 16: 10
              17
              Quote: groks
              Why you asking?

              Yes, I want to catch you again ... what is incomprehensible?
              Specialty, damn it, all over ... from condensers to seeds, through liquefied gas and the "top politician" laughing
              1. groks
                groks 21 January 2018 18: 19
                +4
                AND.... . Well, the first link in any search engine will allow you to argue with Tkachev himself. I just VNIISS im.Mazlumova not far.
              2. Korax71
                Korax71 24 January 2018 01: 16
                +1
                A young man, don’t you think that you are overly suspicious? They even bought seed material in the USSR. I know, if only because my grandfather was the chief mechanic of the state farm, and my grandmother was the main agranom. Part of the seeds, not all, of course. I think you can trust these people if you have worked all your life in agriculture. we have a healthy company in our region, in my opinion a French one. it's an incubator. an office is one of the leaders in the supply of chickens. all the material (egg) is only European. we serve their thermo vans. And we bought land for grazing bulls, so they don’t have any brood stock. Well, just for fun, can you tell me at least one breed of cattle that is Russian?
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 21 January 2018 16: 01
            10
            We really import a lot of seeds ... but not so much, seed farms are also organized, but for now they will grow ... it takes time.
            By the way, I have two seed farms on my side, there will be large plans, based on the agricultural academy.
        2. renics
          renics 21 January 2018 16: 46
          +3
          From Chablin, a medical journalist.
        3. rumatam
          rumatam 9 February 2018 16: 12
          0
          he knows how if muslim pork sold even your beloved made a remark to him.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 21 January 2018 17: 38
        +5
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: groks
        we have 99% of seeds imported from the west

        Reclining firewood such information?


        and this, in the public domain ... our seed fund is not ours ...
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 21 January 2018 16: 12
      16
      Quote: groks
      Brrrr ... agitation from Grudinin?

      Why on earth did you decide that? I specifically, once again ran through the article, but did not find the relationship. The fact that Grudinin is mentioned in the article does not mean that he ordered this article. Perhaps Grudinin himself about the article is not a rumor, not a spirit.
      And I didn’t see any agitation there, to vote for Grudinin.
      1. jjj
        jjj 21 January 2018 16: 19
        +5
        This publication can be regarded as an election campaign. But VO did not announce the prices for publishing election materials. Thus, the publication of this material can be regarded as a violation of the law.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 January 2018 16: 24
          +6
          Can you think about the problem talking yesterday ???
          And for whom is she campaigning there ??? at the best of ... personal imagination.
          1. dauria
            dauria 21 January 2018 22: 00
            +4
            Can you think about the problem talking yesterday ???
            And for whom is she campaigning there ???


            Well, it's you in vain. Immediately with white threads - Here is the problem, but Grudinin, who pokes power into her with his face. Only now, instead of the Moscow Region strawberry, I threw up Turkish strawberries - and early in the spring I began to trade, and even with the purchase of containers I got it, I didn’t buy it. laughing Turkish was walking with tar, sadness.
            I just don’t understand one thing - did Zyuganov really decide before his death to bury the Communist Party with such a “candidate”?
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 21 January 2018 23: 16
              +4
              In principle, this candidate is not interesting to me; I did not count on him.
              I was not interested in his affairs, if I could find and look.
              In fact, I will choose the lesser evil ... and EVERYTHING is there !!!
              But for pure domestic seeds I WAIT !!!
              Tired of sowing all sorts of rubbish, and there is one, respectively !!! And this is the merit of the current government, so it is evil, in fact of its activities !!!
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 22 January 2018 16: 03
                +3
                It is necessary to write down the Constitution, one hundred President is personally responsible for providing seeds! And the premiere can be obliged to sell seeds.
                However - this is not a royal matter! To Caesar - Caesar, locksmith - locksmith!
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 22 January 2018 19: 27
                  +1
                  Not royal, it’s true, but I always want to eat and the Agricultural Academy (former Agricultural Institute), where I used to buy BEAUTIFUL SEEDS, who ruined ???? power, starting with the god of labeled .... the current macho, And for this too, I have reason not to love them all (according to the literary, but I want to say differently) !!!!
                  And we don’t need la-la about locksmiths, cooks - HER PEOPLE DO THIS COUNTRY THE GREAT !!! -, and all kinds of rulers there can concentrate in the right place, at the right time, what we do !!! at the same great skill, the merits of skillful creators do not beg ANYTHING .... no luck for us for many years on those.
                  That’s my whole story.
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 23 January 2018 11: 44
                    +1
                    Yes, the people themselves always survived, having spawn, both under princes and kings. And now there are claims to the authorities, they are blamed for everything. It is as if the collectives are not involved in the collapse of their enterprises and organizations. No, they are involved, they just do not want to acknowledge their responsibility! This confirms the experience of surviving enterprises.
                    So think about who let the agricultural Academy fall apart - did Yeltsin personally or Putin come?
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 23 January 2018 20: 12
                      +1
                      We let the country collapse by stupidity, greed, for whatever reasons it is understandable, we prepared for this, destroyers, GOOD! But at the head of the destruction were SPECIFIC BEARS, BORISSKI and other CHUBAISIKI, consciously, purposefully. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO !!!
                      For our stupidity, gullibility, illiteracy, WE ANSWERED COMPLETELY, with the horror in which we still live !!!
                      AND THEY ANSWERED ??? For what you have done with us, with our COUNTRY !!!
                      GDP could not be destroyed so clearly, sales stopped the most extreme destruction. You can and thank you, sales will choose him again, but this is only because no matter how worthy a candidate there is simply no one in the visible space. It didn’t show up, it wasn’t given or it was destroyed. It’s not important. Only I do not believe that a country with such power will be reborn, there are no prerequisites for this !!!
                      The people can carry out another feat, ready to once again sacrifice many. those in power do not want to sacrifice anything personal !!! So they are the enemies of my homeland.
        2. Stin 55
          Stin 55 22 January 2018 00: 58
          +6
          "AGITATION" is now in full swing and allowed.
          Following your logic, so Putin in general - sick of it. Wherever he flickers ...
    3. Stin 55
      Stin 55 22 January 2018 00: 51
      +3
      Grudinin why dragged? It was possible to do without the first sentence with "?".
  3. Masya masya
    Masya masya 21 January 2018 15: 20
    11
    right puff from hunger! I'm eating my food, swelling and crying !!! wassat
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 21 January 2018 16: 57
      +2
      Are you Ukrainian? belay
      Oh, and you didn’t know that - skill swelling with hunger is inherent only to peers of the Sumerians. repeat The rest of the world, while starving, is losing weight for some reason request lol
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 28
        +2
        And if without antics, ask why in the besieged Leningrad it was swollen from hunger! Organs refuse, dropsy begins!
    2. Train
      Train 21 January 2018 17: 20
      +1
      It's not about hunger, but about how much and what is imported from abroad
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2018 17: 57
        +3
        The thing is who and what will buy!
        Goods from any local producer, such as patriotic and cleaner in composition ??? although who knows what there and from whom they stuffed !!!
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 21 January 2018 17: 40
      +5
      Can I take a picture? I will show my wife laughing
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 21 January 2018 18: 43
        +7
        Quote: Doliva63
        Can I take a picture? I will show my wife laughing

        Easy! love
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 22 January 2018 18: 23
          +4
          Nah, I won’t show it to my wife laughing laughing
  4. Naputeon bonaput
    Naputeon bonaput 21 January 2018 15: 37
    +3
    That is something you like to recall the Soviet collective farm abundance with the release of high-quality and healthy products on the shelves of shops and tables of citizens.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 15: 56
      15
      there was nothing in the shops, all the refrigerators were full and no one was dying of hunger
    2. SOF
      SOF 21 January 2018 17: 14
      11
      ... well, I don’t know, I don’t know. My childhood in the far North took place. I only remember how my mother made mayonnaise herself, like Dad at the table, on New Year's Eve, flew to Moscow like ice cream from a neighboring town, brought it for 300 miles, and how then it melted along the way, and I later, on the balcony, with a knife, in circles, picking. I remember how I came to the brothers, in the Union, the Baltic states, to their store, where they had EVERYTHING (mayonnaise, ketchup (Bulgarian, but it was like heaven manna ... they bought it to the last drop) and even ..... chewing gum !!!!, but they didn’t sell it to me, a pioneer, I don’t look like a skull to the Baltic ...
      .... but it was already in the distant, Soviet, 1983 ...
      I remember how, in the presence of money (Dad already received 750 rubles), my parents bought a wall for my retired grandfather in Ukraine and then dragged it to Siberia with a container (!!!) ... the whole operation was ...
      I remember how the father of the queue for the top three waited, how then he and his mother traveled across the country, traveling by steam engine, to buy it and ..... .... to drive to Ukraine, to mother's parents, because it was stupid to operate a car in the north not possible ...
      I remember a lot of things .... And I DO NOT BELIEVE in the bright Soviet past!
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 21 January 2018 17: 26
        +5
        happened to be in Naryan-Mar, somewhere in 2001-2003. They drove me through the empty barns of the storage where the Northern Delivery was supposed to be. Sad picture.
        Dp and in the Union, not everything was good, who argues. Non-chernozem region, 1976 - was simply amazed. So at all times, at all years it was bad and good
        1. SOF
          SOF 21 January 2018 18: 08
          +5
          Quote: Overlock
          So at all times, at all years it was bad and good

          ... I agree to all 100. At least, with neighbors, on the porch, they lived in perfect harmony ... and some kind of security was felt. All the same, they were a super power. This feeling, by the way, is also beginning to wake up now.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 21 January 2018 18: 11
          +8
          Guys, remember another joke about the store PRINCIPLE IN WHICH EVERYTHING IS !!!
          I traveled all over the country, years from 79 to 89 !!! Everything was different and the same everywhere - in central cities and closed, on shock construction sites, etc. supply 1 cat. those. all that is needed and wanted ... in other places, you can buy equally essential necessities, special pickles at an acquaintance or at a trading center.
          Those. Schaub to have an empty refrigerator, you have to be full and ..... !!!!
          Well, where did the crisis happen !!! but it was an individual time ..... and for this they did not stroke anyone on the head !!!
          In general, we were equal in both opportunities and living standards !!! The exception was the center cities !!! It happens.
          1. groks
            groks 21 January 2018 18: 26
            +4
            Nah. You do not understand. They are offended, mortally offended, that they, so wonderful, FOR FREE, they didn’t put everything in their mouth. This is how they imagine socialism. So that everyone would get hit, but they needed everything for free.
            1. SOF
              SOF 21 January 2018 19: 46
              +5
              Quote: groks
              Nah. You do not understand. They are offended, mortally offended, that they, so wonderful, FOR FREE, they didn’t put everything in their mouth. This is how they imagine socialism. So that everyone would get hit, but they needed everything for free.

              Our nervous comrade, tell me to that child, a pioneer from call to call, ready for the job ..... etc., what did I want for free something ?????????
              Enlighten me.
              1. groks
                groks 21 January 2018 20: 52
                +3
                Enlighten. Here you are for some reason lying about the far north. Unfortunately, I lived 11 years on the Kolyma longitude. And only there I learned that there is a bottle of grape juice. And that it even happens of different grades! Why talk about mayonnaise.
                Maybe you're talking about the late hunchback? So then anywhere could not be anything. But it is no longer disputed that this was done artificially, intentionally and purposefully.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 21: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: groks
                  ... I lived 11 years in Kolyma longitude.

                  You are overworked, IMHO.
                  Let me remind you that longitude is a meridian.
                  By the way, what about 99% of the seeds? wink
                  1. groks
                    groks 21 January 2018 21: 16
                    +2
                    longitude is the meridian.

                    This is the second half of the famous saying. Who was not, that will not understand.
                    Wrote already. Any search engine, the first link.
                2. SOF
                  SOF 21 January 2018 21: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: groks
                  Here you are for some reason lying about the far north

                  ... not loudly said?
                  But nothing that I am from the 79th to the present day in the North ...
                  Oh, and by the way, I didn’t see grape juice in bottles even in Ukraine laughing
                  What are you trying to convince me of, that everything was fine?
                  There were many very good things, but this is not entirely true.
                  That’s about gas, it’s often pushed back, they say Gazprom only pulls gas abroad, but it’s not a goog about its own. Urengoy-Pomara-Uzhgorod ... Doesn't it mean anything? All eastern Europe, all CMEA, was gasified by our gas, and we ......., and we .... through .... thorns to the stars. How, tell me, if everything was for the people during the Union, it turned out that now it’s Gazprom who is not always refused firewood? hi
                  ... oh, these double standards ...
                  1. groks
                    groks 21 January 2018 21: 27
                    +1
                    79 - year of birth? Then it is clear.
                    Not only eastern Europe has been gasified. Only yesterday there was a topic - they received equipment and technologies for the production of pipes from West Germans. Eastern is not at all involved.
                    There was a lot of all very good, but it is absolutely true.

                    Interesting phrase construction. The Baltic states? Stirlitz has never been so close to failure (s).
                    1. SOF
                      SOF 21 January 2018 22: 08
                      +4
                      ... actually not the 79th year of birth, but from the 79th year in the north, he wrote in Russian, this is the first.
                      The second, regarding the Baltic states, can be found below on my behalf. Your deduction is poor. And that evidence laughing , found by you - inconvenient interface of the mobile version of the site.
                      Third, when we had half of the country living on wood, the countries of the eastern treaty have long been drowned with our gas at home.
                      ... and finally, the fourth - if something does not grow together with your opinion, then this does not mean that your opinion is still the most correct.
                      1. 406ppm2gv
                        406ppm2gv 22 January 2018 21: 35
                        +1
                        third, when we had half of the country living on wood, the countries of the eastern treaty have long been drowned with our gas at home. if such a damned socialist past is, then what prevents in the bright capitalist capital during this time not to gasify the country? in the Moscow region, we spent 2 years with friends, paid 500 tr, this Gazprom is our property.
                      2. groks
                        groks 24 January 2018 09: 36
                        0
                        This is not deduction. Just after meeting on KONT with "Lisichkina" I won’t be surprised.
                        About gasification. Our last year’s governor was not jailed for "gasification" of the region only because the statute of limitations has expired.
                3. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 22 January 2018 17: 50
                  +4
                  I lived 11 years on the Kolyma longitude.

                  What was he sitting for?
                  1. groks
                    groks 24 January 2018 09: 31
                    0
                    For the end of VISI. At first they gave me 3 years for this, then I turned out to be the only competent machine-gunner at the furniture complex and added more. Not at all offended, quite the contrary. For me, this is the second homeland.
                  2. Evgeny Sazonov
                    Evgeny Sazonov 27 January 2018 16: 25
                    0
                    For the truth, brother, for the truth ...
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 04
              +1
              what are you talking about, Monsieur? Did you sleep badly?
          2. SOF
            SOF 21 January 2018 19: 42
            +6
            Quote: rocket757
            In general, we were equal in both opportunities and living standards !!!

            ... were more equal than all. Remind me where they were from?
            And there is such a thing as a "deficit in the store thrown out", only I remember one ??? And Levays, and Montana, Indian jeans, then, no one was looking for ???
            ... you can’t imagine more equal ...
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 05
              +2
              there was such a thing that it was a sin to conceal. Everything was
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 21 January 2018 21: 29
              +4
              I will not argue for the top leadership of sales. FOR ME THEY ARE NOT WE !!! Where, what is for them, and how am I IN THE COURSE, there were people in Romanov’s country house, the first in the Leningrad Region (the owner), and through a three-meter fence the same head of the Leningrad Military District. ....
              I will only compare for US simple workers, employees and more. We were equal in everything ... with slight distortions in the place of residence! I mean that for someone, black caviar is a delicacy, but for me, be-eee, I don’t want, I'm tired of it !!! (was before)
              By the way, I still remember the ice cream Krasnodar !!! jeans, well, I brought from the Finns and the United States, the necessities ??? For example, I remember how on coupons potatoes, butter and something else were given out !!! It was a couple of lean years, and what ??? It was enough for everyone, distributed evenly and procured abroad ...
              Even if it is VERY critical, there was equal rights and equal opportunities, with the exception of the top ranks !!!
              1. SOF
                SOF 21 January 2018 22: 37
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                Even if it is VERY critical, there was equal rights and equal opportunities, with the exception of the top ranks !!!

                ... there's nothing to cover hi
            3. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 21 January 2018 22: 55
              +5
              Quote: SOF
              And Levays, and Montana, Indian jeans, then, no one was looking for ???

              I was looking for! And found! ...)
              Waste paper collection point. You collect a certain amount of waste paper. you hand over to the point of reception and get a coupon. Waste paper had to pass something in the region of 200 kg. He dragged himself in batches. Then, with this coupon, you go to the STATE store and choose and buy THREE different companies' jeans. I liked the Finnish ones. We bought them for 80 rubles. These were my first jeans. Then I was 10 years old.
              Do you want to say what was the difference then with what is now?
              Then the people did not know where to spend the money, they flew from Vladik to Moscow to drink beer (not from rumors and anecdotes, - the roots were showing off. A quarter there and a quarter back to the “face”, the ticket cost.
              Now they don’t know where to get the money to buy at least what is needed. How, now weakly repeat their "feat"? No, well, if the son of an oligarch, then there are no questions!)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 21 January 2018 23: 37
                +7
                Hey, hey, we had jeans for pumpkin seeds in agricultural cooperation, pumpkin seeds and much more ... so our girls had a class and Italian pantyhose ... we tasted boobies young drinks from different countries !!! Then the summer arbor was pasted with labels!
                And for the party elite, what can I say - yes, their advantages and improved supply, compared to today's robbery of the country's working people, are DUST .... they didn’t have any serious yachts, nor personal planes, not because they were conscious !!! the system in the country was such !!!!
                For the fact that the wealth of the people was dispersed, such as for the victory of communism throughout the world, a complex topic deserves a separate discussion !!!
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 22 January 2018 01: 21
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  in our agricultural co-operation jeans went for seeds, pumpkin and much more ... so our girls had a perfume class and Italian tights ...

                  According to this, who was too lazy to raise their ass and make efforts to find what they wanted, there was a "deficit" for them everywhere in the USSR, but at the same time they often delivered this very deficit directly to the workplace, but for three price tags. Now for some reason, such a "service" is considered normal and it does not outrage anyone).
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 22 January 2018 06: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Sovetskiy
                    who was too lazy to raise his ass

                    About "exploits" similar to "exploits of your" roots "" I wrote earlier. Repeating them is weak, because, probably like you, I can’t afford it ... But the “archives”, those who crushed everything for themselves, did not materialize out of nothing. Analyze. Count how many are among them "builders" happy Soviet system .....
                    And anyway ... do you have problems with the perception of what is written?
                    ... then, alas, this is not for me ...
                    If not, then I propose to learn to read not only diagonally, but try to cover the entire text as a whole ....
                    1. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 22 January 2018 09: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: SOF
                      And the "archives", those who crushed everything for themselves, did not materialize out of emptiness. Analyze. Count how many “builders” of the happy Soviet system are among them .....

                      Are you here trying to prove to me that there were more traitors and thieves in the USSR than now? Yes - if it is in this wording, now this scum is called "elite" and "business community" in a modern way. But how could it be otherwise if the President himself holds a meeting with them?) Although the essence does not change from this, no matter how the authorities "do not wash them off." And if you are trying to rub me in here that this is exactly the product of the Soviet era, I can disappoint you - they have dads and mothers, along with grandfathers and grandmothers from tsarist Russia). And there they were the first to “steal cars”, and the generals of their no less bloody anointed for the sake of “friendship” with the English crown were quickly “leaked” in 1917.
                      1. SOF
                        SOF 22 January 2018 10: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Sovetskiy
                        And if you are trying to rub me here that this is exactly the product of the Soviet era, I can disappoint you - they have dads and mothers, along with grandfathers and grandmothers from tsarist Russia)

                        ...Yes Yes...
                        And continuing your historical excursion, I’ll add that given the fact that we are all either from a monkey or from Adam and Eve — whoever we like best, we all have a stigma in the cannon, and we don’t have much to share
                    2. rocket757
                      rocket757 22 January 2018 09: 42
                      +4
                      Every sandpiper ... and more about the swamp!
                      Not to confuse the country and the power of the soviets with the crime that party bonuses committed. Each crime has a name, a surname, a middle name ... to list, a long series will turn out!
                      Soviet power was consistently modernized! I don’t think that it benefited her, and at the latest period traitors and criminals came to power, concerned only with their personal enrichment !!!!
                      That's all philosophy, dialectics and all that jazz !!!
                      And now the nostalgia of those who have realized how big oh have raped !!! And the joyful screech of those for whom it is like manna from heaven !!!
                      Perhaps it’s time to get down to business and build the life we ​​want for ourselves and our descendants ???
                      1. SOF
                        SOF 22 January 2018 10: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Probably pore get down to business and build the life we ​​want for ourselves and our descendants ???

                        ...It is high time...
                      2. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 22 January 2018 10: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: rocket757
                        And now the nostalgia of those who have realized how big oh have raped !!!

                        Personally, it came to me in the year 88, if what!
                        Just trying to interpret your insight into the “lineup” is longer than in the Mausoleum, which stands in the first McDonald's, as you might not know. Especially after a total deficit artificially created by future "elites", on which ultimately manna from heaven fell in the form of a speculative price for essential goods.
                        But here is the jamb! Perestroika and glasnost led to the fact that in those days no one had already shot anyone for economic crimes, which led to the total robbery of the country.
          3. Mestny
            Mestny 22 January 2018 09: 29
            +4
            I eat cabbage, and neighbor meat - on average we eat cabbage rolls.
            In general, they were equal, yes.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 22 January 2018 10: 54
              +2
              I do not eat black caviar anymore! Age, and it has become more difficult to catch .... but this does not mean that everything is lost!
              Now, they began to make different crafts under caviar, for an amateur ... and I do and eat with a pike, delicious, oh, yum, yum!
      2. KERMET
        KERMET 21 January 2018 18: 00
        +9
        I also remember a lot of things .... I remember a delicious ice cream, free on sale, the shelf life of which, as I recently learned, was only 7 days! (It’s scary to imagine its cost today belay ) I remember the smell of smoked meats in the basement of Kooptorg, though we went there infrequently, it was a little expensive wink . I remember the purchase of a Lada, for which relatives gave money together (and don’t give it if the ruble was stable as a rock and large or small accumulations were available to everyone. I remember the Soviet chewing gum, although everyone dreamed and wore labels with Lelek and Bolik laughing . In short, some bright memories - but how could it be otherwise, this is childhood! See the past is different ...
        1. SOF
          SOF 21 January 2018 18: 11
          +3
          Quote: KERMET
          I also remember a lot .... I remember the delicious ice cream

          ... and I now, only ice cream in a cup, waffle, eat- the rest is nonsense.
          BUT!!! We lived in different countries. You are in the central, and I, deep, beyond the Urals, and to the north.
          And I also remember how, in sunny Ukraine, in the Kharkov province, and in absolutely Russian, Potemkinsky, from ancient times, the village, the Soviet people brought chewing gum ... mint ... And like a grandmother, a blessed memory to her, thank God she did not live to see current bacchanalia, bought me a kilo. I was so mumbled, with a fool, that I could not sleep for two days, from spontaneous salivation ....
          Different countries we had ....
          1. KERMET
            KERMET 21 January 2018 21: 38
            +2
            I lived, and I live in the south, in the Stavropol Territory, but I tried bananas for the first time at the age of 7 when I was visiting the Urals, so there were pros and cons everywhere, or rather skews, no one says that it was ideal
            1. SOF
              SOF 21 January 2018 22: 42
              +1
              Quote: KERMET
              but I tried bananas for the first time at the age of 7 when I was visiting the Urals,

              ...wonders smile
              ... I first tasted when my mother from Bulgaria, on a tour, brought a whole travel bag. Oh, and then war broke out with diathesis laughing
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 26 January 2018 10: 35
                +1
                Diathesis from bananas? This is something new! Two fruits that can be given to children straight from a month are apples and bananas. Because only they do not cause diathesis.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 21 January 2018 18: 25
          15
          Do you want Hochma - the USSR was so "severe" and stable that the PRICE of the goods was knocked out (metal) or cast (slaked) directly on the product itself.

          good laughing
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 January 2018 19: 10
            11
            Exactly, I clicked about prices and salary !!!
            Price tags in stores were printed once and ... until they fade !!!
            And the ink in the Land of the Soviets was as eternal as the prices !!!
            And the salary? So the northerners, where there was nothing to eat, as it were, after several "winterings" they came and bought cars / apartments!
            Ali I'm wrong ???
            1. SOF
              SOF 21 January 2018 19: 17
              +4
              Quote: rocket757
              Ali I'm wrong ???

              ... wrong (you) ... laughing ... everything was, well, unless, of course, the head of the family is not the boss, some kind of communist one.
              Everything is just like now, under capitalism laughing
              Yes, and in addition to "eat", in your opinion, there was also nothing special laughing For example, for the winter, I bought a sheepskin in Tyumen for 1000 versts.
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 13
              +3
              and those who are not to the north, those to the seas. They brought clothes. For 10 rubles (I may be mistaken) I bought a Chinese fountain pen, a bomb. Disser then wrote with her, somewhere lost. Sorry. I remember how they sold bologna raincoats in commission rooms, krimplen went with a bang.
              Zhigul-in turn, Volga- an unattainable dream
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 07
            +5
            But surely. Full confidence in the future. You can’t say this now
            1. SOF
              SOF 21 January 2018 21: 14
              +1
              Quote: Overlock
              But surely. Full confidence in the future. You can’t say this now

              I do not argue, but much better than even ten years ago.
            2. rocket757
              rocket757 21 January 2018 21: 40
              +3
              I agree about the queue. It’s just that I basically passed away, living nearby and having a bunch of acquaintances in closed cities, there are my own peculiarities, being in the foreign countries also have my advantages ... I brought a couple of cars from there to friends! By the way, the same Volga!
          3. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 22 January 2018 01: 38
            +5
            Quote: Mih1974
            Do you want Hochma - the USSR was so "severe" and stable that the PRICE of the goods was knocked out (metal) or cast (slaked) directly on the product itself.

            I remember the spoons in the dining room, if I’m not mistaken, 20 kopecks. - the price was full.
            Now looking into our past, I’m “horrified” - how could we live in such a “nightmare” without knowing anything about “civilian” things, such as devaluation, default, inflation, the price of a barrel of oil, the dollar, the national question, terrorism , depopulation and all the other delights of the "civilized world"?)))
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 22 January 2018 03: 35
              +3
              Do you want to "cry" for the USSR - in the time then of the INCASABLE of such murders and attacks that are now in schools negative am am
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 22 January 2018 08: 35
                +3
                Quote: Mih1974
                Do you want to "cry" for the USSR - in the time then of the INCASABLE of such murders and attacks that are now in schools negative am am

                I’m talking about this. How did we live without such "happiness" then.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 22 January 2018 09: 45
                  +6
                  And let's do so, Schaub change what we do not like now !!!
                  Return to the former we can’t work, but it’s better to make your life, it’s possible !!!
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 22 January 2018 11: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: rocket757
                    And let's do so, Schaub change what we do not like now !!!
                    Return to the former we can’t work, but it’s better to make your life, it’s possible !!!

                    Let's!
                    Can we rethink the RF Ministry of Health for a start? How many times since the adoption, they wanted to change it? If I am not mistaken - seven? It is strange, why are our chosen ones against?)
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 22 January 2018 12: 16
                      +4
                      That's right, let's start with the law, the courts, with ... and then a long list of our Wishlist !!!
                      Only to me, what, without changing the system of power, we can count on a very modest result ??? Okay, I’m not ready to be written down into individual radicals yet ... although I would get into the real system of like-minded people even now !!!
                      We will move in small dashes. Elections, elections are all candidates .....
                      What and whom to choose then ???
                      1. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 22 January 2018 12: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        What and whom to choose then ???

                        The field has been cleared, there is only one candidate, a fad in the bulletin “It is not provided for against all”. Still have questions?)
                  2. Victor N
                    Victor N 22 January 2018 16: 29
                    +1
                    My respect, you are at least a little topic .....
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 22 January 2018 20: 59
                      +1
                      And what topic, the question is what?
                      I don’t want to guess, ask what you need.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 07
              +1
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              Now looking into our past, I’m “horrified” - how could we live in such a “nightmare” without knowing anything about “civilian” things, such as devaluation, default, inflation, the price of a barrel of oil, the dollar, the national question, terrorism , depopulation and all the other delights of the "civilized world"?)))

              How-how, as they say now - just congruent dissonance wassat And the most interesting thing now is that no one is surprised by such sophisticated terms. You read the comments on VO, and on any other forum people use such terms and concepts belay that just all the candidates and doctors laughing .
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 January 2018 11: 29
                +1
                Well, nobody canceled self-education! And the nerdy assistant is always there, we can say at hand.
                Everything is almost normal, extra knowledge does not exist, but the risk of being too clever or not understanding someone has increased.
                Life does not stand still, we will study.
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 35
        +2
        And we brought the heating boiler to Maykop from Kislovodsk. They were there, but not ours. When in Novorossiysk it was necessary to wait 2 hours for a piece of sausage and butter, in Maykop they bought that sausage with loaves. There was milk in Novorossiysk — at least pour in it — and kefir, and varenets, and sour cream, and cottage cheese, everything was fine, milk was only 3,2 fat (there was no butter), in Maikop there was little milk, 2,5 fat, full of butter although the quality is not very. This is so - small examples of the fact that in each locality everything was different, everyone remembers his own and everyone is right!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 26 January 2018 08: 05
          +1
          From the end of 70 until the collapse traveled the whole union .... there was a noticeable difference, the supply of 1 category, heroes of the city, regional centers, for the capital and the allies !!!
          No doubt, the difference in supply was huge .... that I only did not bring from business trips!
          But living was ..... fun !!! All these are our memories.
          But there was no such inequality as now. We will evaluate it realistically.
    3. long in stock.
      long in stock. 22 January 2018 21: 01
      +1
      got out again the troll? how can you remember what you didn’t see ...
  5. SOF
    SOF 21 January 2018 15: 41
    12
    And why should the site’s administration, instead of sending such opuses as torpedoes, organize an interactive vote and “choose” the president, at least on this platform, or, frankly, they’ve already gotten tales about the fact that ALL the country belongs to Pal Nikolaitch ...... and heaps of poop on the acting Supreme.
    Kassad watched something like this ... Day, the whole day (!!!) the poll lasted, and then quietly merged, because the sensation did not take place. lol
    ... yes, by the way, with the interactive victory of P.N.G. ready to take off his hat ... hi
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 16: 08
      +8
      And where, in fact, to rush something?
      In a couple of months, everything will be so clear ...
      1. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 21 January 2018 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        In a couple of months, everything will be clear anyway.

        Yes and now, everything is clear laughing
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 21 January 2018 18: 13
        +6
        And I can bring cognac down !!! I put it on old frames, not out of preference, I just want to be realistic !!!
    2. the most important
      the most important 21 January 2018 19: 09
      +3
      Quote: SOF
      And why should the site’s administration, instead of sending such opuses as torpedoes, organize an interactive vote and “choose” the president,

      What if (or not at all) the local elections show that in reality everything is not as they say on TV? And the leader of the race is not the one about whom the TV constantly repeats? Although, the idea is very interesting !!! I support !!
      1. SOF
        SOF 21 January 2018 19: 23
        +2
        ... well, I said: "Ready to take off his hat and give in." Only, honestly, without cheating, just like that of the wizard Suleiman lol hi
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 19: 47
        +1
        I would also vote for this idea, but knowing how many languid paid pro-government trolls are here, I think nothing good will come of it.
        1. SOF
          SOF 21 January 2018 21: 20
          +3
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          I would also vote for this idea, but knowing how many languid paid pro-government trolls are here, I think nothing good will come of it.

          ... actually, in the last couple of months, just the opposite is true. The trolls you mentioned not by night, just got activated towards EVERYTHING DROPPED .... And, it seems to me that even if you think that they are on your side, in fact they are completely on the other side of the ocean.
          And the combat mission they have is easier than a steamed turnip - to push Russian foreheads.
          ... and I must say, they are quite successful in this ...
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 02
            +1
            Here you are right, they can succeed where there is a large polarization of society, where there are a lot of unresolved and unsolved problems, where the authorities are completely separated from the people, where the people are separate and the authorities are separate. But on the other hand, why such power? Maybe you should think about another? Not?
            1. SOF
              SOF 22 January 2018 15: 36
              +2
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Maybe you should think about another? Not?

              the last time, 100 years ago, when during a war a lot of territory was swung at a similar action and a terrible amount of population ......... Do you really want to try this rake again? And I hope you will not argue that there is no war now, and that they are not expected from us, dropping in saliva in anticipation of something similar to the neighboring Maidan?
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 15: 51
                +1
                Not a rake supporter at all! I am for a change of power in a legitimate way. And by the way, thanks to the events of 100 years ago, the USSR increased both the territory and the population, which, as the people say: do not la wink Regarding the neighboring Maidan, I already wrote that it is necessary to compare with worthy and not wretched ones like Ukraine. There is no war, at best there is no more dispute between business entities, do not flatter the current government. If there were a war, 90% of those sitting with their bodies would no longer be in the country.
                1. SOF
                  SOF 22 January 2018 17: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  And by the way, thanks to the events of 100 years ago, the USSR increased both the territory and the population, which, as the people say: do not la

                  ... never a la la ... Finland, at least, never an option? And how many Germans were lost in the separate world, although Berlin could well have crushed under them then, if someone hadn’t ruined the army. And the fallen off Central Asia, which, then, until the 25th beat off? And the number of people who perished in the civilian is not considered? No? Do not la la - now it's my turn.
                  ... and the war is very much even now ... it’s sad that you don’t see the obvious. It's just that wars between superpowers, now, are not being waged by rifles ... Is there no need to explain the reasons?
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 19: 44
                    +1
                    Wars imply idea or survival, not geopolitical influence. Here was the Great Patriotic War! And now there is a dispute between business entities and one of them is in fact a vassal of the other. Do you regret losing Finland? And how many people perished in the years 90-2000? I think no less than civilian, but the territory really has become much smaller! And the current government is a continuation of the past Yeltsin’s, not legitimate after the coup d'etat with the shooting of the White House.
                  2. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 22 January 2018 21: 14
                    +2
                    and so Finland. was at that time part of the Russian empire. but ... did not participate in the war with the Germans, they did not call from there. the money collected in Finland remained there. they didn’t make it. in petrograd, it’s hungry and Finland is full of everything .. what province was there under the tsar's priest ... are you going to stomp to Berlin? yeah, we know these toplish couches. here only Poland was lost just like the Baltic States precisely at tsar .. so do not need la la. that’s why I despise you — the tsareloschitniks of modern times — for this complete ignorance of the question. As you would not say so, either lies or stupidity ..
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 17
        +3
        I think that for such news the local authorities will cease to be the authorities on the same night of the vote count. Look at which grandmas are thrown into agitation. “There is no money,” and the little bear “found” 15 billion for the salaries of state employees. In fact, direct bribery
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 January 2018 21: 44
          +5
          The old method.
          Pensioners on the piece from Tsar Boriski were given and my Grandfather went to vote for him.
          Schaub was not spoken there for the purity and transparency of the elections; the administrative resource is life-giving sho only with people !!!
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 January 2018 11: 28
      0
      Quote: SOF
      Kassad watched something like this ... A day, a whole day (!!!) the poll lasted, and then quietly merged, because the sensation did not take place ...

      Kassad is a well-known zaputinets, although he squints under the left, he has a whole menagerie of Kremlin boats in the comments. But even so, only a day stood the survey, while at least some decent result was recorded. And then in what poll do not look, everywhere is completely different from that of VTsIOM fellow
      1. SOF
        SOF 22 January 2018 15: 31
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Kassad is a famous traveler

        laughing he should be surprised ...
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        And then in what poll do not look, everywhere is completely different from that of VTsIOM

        ... well, show ... why just shake the air? ;)
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 23 January 2018 09: 14
          0
          Quote: SOF
          he should be surprised ...

          All his posts about how the Kremlin outplayed everyone, and he delicately hush up the news, where it’s really hard to “pull an owl onto the globe,” or wait at least two days to at least somehow, then give a better picture
          Quote: SOF
          ... well, show ... why just shake the air? ;)
          Easy -
          http://president-rf.ru/page/rejting-kandidatov
          http://basetop.ru/reyting-kandidatov-v-prezidenty
          i-rossii-2018 /
          http://rosregistr.ru/raznoe/92265.html
          I just typed in a search engine about the elections of 2018
  6. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 21 January 2018 15: 54
    +6
    And what is the article about again? What is one and a half (!) Percent of potatoes consumed from abroad imported?
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 21 January 2018 17: 19
      +4
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      And what is the article about again? What is one and a half (!) Percent of potatoes consumed from abroad imported?

      And chilled potatoes wassat .50 lived for more than a few years and only now found out about chilled potatoes. Ahhh ..... bastards-commies hid such a delicacy from the people .... negative
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 January 2018 18: 33
        +6
        Quote: Captain45
        And chilled potatoes

        Duc, they write from above that the journalist is a "doctor" by education. Then it is clear. Apparently, he also divided the patients into fresh and ... chilled. wassat
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 21 January 2018 17: 56
      +7
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      And what is the article about again? What is one and a half (!) Percent of potatoes consumed from abroad imported?
      Nevermind. This is the lament of the liberal Yaroslavna about the fact that it is not imported what she wants. She needs jamon with parmesan, and then cucumbers and tomatoes with a bulb ...
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 18
        0
        got it with this "liberal"! Change the plate! Who is the MAJOR LIBERAL OF THE COUNTRY? Guess from 1 time!
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 21 January 2018 20: 51
          +2
          Quote: Overlock
          got it with this "liberal"! Change the plate! Who is the MAJOR LIBERAL OF THE COUNTRY? Guess from 1 time!

          Chubais and Overlock or what ?! recourse Not? Did not guess? smile
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 21 January 2018 21: 09
            +2
            what a misunderstanding you are. Themselves asked

            this is from the source
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 21: 16
              +6
              Quote: Overlock
              this is from the source

              Of course, I understand that a sewing machine is not required to understand humor, but so that request
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 22 January 2018 12: 01
                +1
                she in order to sew
              2. Captain45
                Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 13
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Of course, I understand that a sewing machine is not required to understand humor, but so that

                Completely killed good So their sufferers, there through the Semburgs as a whistleblower.
                Ali already whining his am
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 21 January 2018 21: 10
            +3
            and this is the talking head of the owner
            sometimes it's better to chew than talk!
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 22 January 2018 09: 42
              +1
              The fact is that Putin is not liberal enough for our domestic liberals, and much less. Your idol comrade Listen carefully to her. Or Sobchak.
              This is liberalism!
              Honestly, such a liberalism as Yeltsin’s is unacceptable for the country's existence. Unlike Putin's. Especially against the backdrop of false bullshit about the "revival of the USSR" from the so-called "communists".
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 22 January 2018 11: 31
                +1
                Quote: Mestny
                The fact is that Putin is not liberal enough for our domestic liberals, and much less. Your idol comrade Listen carefully to her. Or Sobchak.

                yeah, something to him Alekseeva kissed his hands
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 14
                  0
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  yeah, something to him Alekseeva kissed his hands

                  So not him!
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 22 January 2018 12: 03
                +1
                why did you decide that he is my idol? Judge by yourself? Do not make yourself an idol - old, but relevant. Take on arms and think with your head. Everything is simple in this world.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 21 January 2018 15: 55
    11
    I’ll tell you about my district ... Under the “totalitarian” regime, the city’s processing industry worked exclusively on local raw materials, tomatoes, grapes, apples, fish ... The era of import substitution has begun .. As it was imported it remained ... Where there were fields state farm "Seed-breeding", there were ponds, for paid fishing .. This is not a fish farm .. There were no new industrial enterprises for processing agricultural products in the city .. But new shopping centers were opened .. Yes, just now, the prosecutor’s office closed an illegal transaction for the sale of land with an area of ​​9 hectares in the resort area of ​​the village of Golubitskaya ... Perhaps this is only in our region and city, but in other places it is much better ....
    1. captain
      captain 21 January 2018 16: 09
      +9
      Come to us in the Belgorod region. We feed it with our fish, our chicken, our milk, our pork, our butter. If you starve to death, we have good people who will give bread and a cup of soup. Yes, the sky does not pour in from us and the guber presses, but our people are working.
      1. jjj
        jjj 21 January 2018 16: 21
        +3
        This is your order on earth. And the neighbors: Bryansk and Eagle?
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 21 January 2018 16: 25
        10
        But we don’t starve. We feed the neighboring regions. Apples fish from the Slavic region, vegetables from others, Crimean onions .. I didn’t write that we are starving ... Something else, but for some reason you turned my words. However, the captain is peculiar to you ...
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 00
        +1
        I have been to Belgorod more than once. I love it, you go on the highway - beauty
      4. Captain45
        Captain45 23 January 2018 11: 17
        0
        Quote: captain
        Come to us in the Belgorod region. We feed it with our fish, our chicken, our milk, our pork, our butter.

        Yes you are generally cunning men wink , You even chalk from the Shebekinsky quarry manage to steam amerikos instead of chocolate wassat .Day two days ago, the plot on TV looked, a new trend, the chalk is guzzling, clay fool .All the world is crazy. belay
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      . Under the "totalitarian" regime, the processing industry of the city worked exclusively on local raw materials, tomatoes, grapes, apples, fish ... The era of import substitution has begun .. As it was, the imported one remained ..

      In your area, as I understand it, stick a stick in the ground stick-forest will grow. Again, the sea is near.
      Temporary workers grabbed everything, snatch and by the river?
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 January 2018 16: 37
        13
        The town-forming enterprise at the time was our local canning factory, I repeat I worked exclusively on local products .. Now, instead of it, 7 small dogs work on the imported ... And the fish in the sea .. has long gone to the distant cordon ... This is with the "bloody communists" 70-80 centners per hectare of valuable fish species were taken: sturgeon, Azov flounder, they heard about such a pike perch, it’s unlikely .. And they don’t stick sticks in the ground, so that it wouldn’t grow ... And the last, at the entrance to Svetly Put village was a memorial to the fallen soldiers during the Second World War - artillery pieces, steles with the names of the fallen soldiers, stood since the "totalitarian" regime, the land where the memorial is now turned out to be private property, they say about its transfer ... And what a convenient place , for the store, gas station ... What temporary workers, our area is always for those who win ...
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 21 January 2018 18: 36
          +2
          at the entrance to the village of Svetly Put there was a memorial to fallen soldiers during the Second World War - artillery pieces, steles with the names of fallen soldiers, stood since the time of the "totalitarian" regime, the land where the memorial is now turned out to be private property, talk about moving it belay .


          But isn’t the prosecutor right to be aroused for such a thing, and why are people silent? am
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 21 January 2018 18: 48
            +4
            "So that the worst of the tsar, The people did not talk in vain, Act strictly according to the law, That is, act ... on the sly" ... That is what apparently happened ...the prosecutor has no right to be excited... At one time, the prosecutor was the head of the local mafia for a long time, the roots never uprooted .. The forest grows anyway .. We have a magical area, they come to the post on the “Lisaped with Chumadan” and leave with a cargo caravan. .. Get upset ... here ... so tied ... God forbid ... True, I just found out this news about the transfer today ... Apparently everything has already happened .. The memorial will be transferred to the church .. Resolved ...
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 22
            +1
            the prosecutor is sure
    3. Victor N
      Victor N 21 January 2018 18: 46
      +4
      And where are YOU divided by your own manufacturers? Or could they not repel the Mongol raid?
      Understand that each of us has a blame for the lost. After all, everyone, like a nail, sits inside somewhere: our country was popular, OUR, then WE and her ... about .... missed
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 January 2018 18: 56
        +8
        Like where, land to the peasants, factories like workers ... Then the units of the peasants bought for a penny ... And the factories were privatized, resold several times .. Local oligarchs appeared, they rule ... As throughout the country ...Understand that each of us has a blame for the lost. ... Do not agitate me, the soul still hurts ...
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 22 January 2018 15: 47
          +1
          The question is: who is more to blame - who bought or who sold, not wanting to process shares? The conclusion suggests itself: it is necessary to punish those who do not process the units and reward those who undertook to plow the land.
    4. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 21
      +3
      so you have everything, I think, at the expense of the Sea of ​​Azov and tourists. You’re going along the coast, just gototels. A night on Peresyp to 1.5 thousand rubles from the nose. Do not like it - sleep in the car
    5. a housewife
      a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 42
      +2
      Fields in our Kuban are overgrown! nothing grows on them! Tomatoes are already in the red book, Temryuk vineyards are cut down !!!! That’s all - I’m not writing seriously, otherwise someone will accept the truth again!
  8. HEATHER
    HEATHER 21 January 2018 16: 21
    +9
    What the hell? There is nothing to eat? On the shelves, basically everything is ours. If the deportation of VO is starving, this is their problem.In your area, as I understand it, stick a stick in the ground stick-forest will grow And here, in the winter, Balu goes over 60. Nothing. We live. We are not hungry. Come. I will teach.
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 21 January 2018 18: 32
      +1
      Wrong - not the forest will grow, but - for fruiting. good lol I’m not lying - once in the Kuban I was harvesting the “second” corn crop, after the potato crop was harvested (without me) before that. belay And this is not Izrail, it’s the usual Kuban, and not the “mountains of fertilizers”, everything grew for itself, and even the distant plot “on the settlements”. repeat
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 21 January 2018 18: 43
        +4
        We have a little differently. Landing at the end of May is a crop in August. And then there is a sharp drop in temperature. You were successful on a horse. I didn’t have time, your problems. Hunger is not aunt.
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 50
        +2
        So the one who is not lazy digs a second crop of potatoes in our south. They plant it in late February and early March, dig it in June, immediately plant a second one, dig it in October. True, I do not do this, it requires additional fertilizers. And the neighbor does. We have another misfortune, there is nowhere to harvest from our trees! It is very cheap, but you need to collect it, deliver it to the market, sell it. Those who are younger do not want to do this, they work, earn more. But the old people can’t do it. And bulk purchases are very cheap. For example, apples take 5-6 rubles! Removed from the branches is more expensive, but climb after them!
  9. Overlock
    Overlock 21 January 2018 16: 23
    +4
    Quote: Stas157
    But the dollar for some reason did not go down to 40 rubles! How so? According to the blue screens we were told that the fall of the ruble in direct is due to the drop in oil.

    “From my point of view, today the ruble is starting to re-establish itself,” - Assistant to the President of Russia Andrey Belousov. In his opinion, the growth of the national currency is one continuous minus: the budget is losing revenues, and domestic industrialists and farmers are losing competitiveness. In addition, the import substitution program is undermined.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 21 January 2018 16: 57
      14
      Quote: Overlock
      In his opinion, the growth of the national currency is one continuous minus: the budget is losing revenues, and domestic industrialists and farmers are losing competitiveness.

      A weak ruble is primarily cheap labor, and the ability to not pay social obligations. But, this is an extensive path of development. It is not beautiful to increase the competitiveness of products by reducing wages. They don’t do that in the hated west! There, salaries are high and the currency is strong, however, the products remain competitive. Because competitiveness needs to be enhanced through innovation and technology, and not from the shoulders of the people, as the current elite is trying to do.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 19: 29
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        Weak ruble is first of all ...

        ... expensive imports ... stasik. And the stimulation of exports, that is, the "producing economy".
        By the way, China is also actively fighting against the appreciation of the renminbi.
        Probably, the “enemies” have also settled in the Central Bank of China ... and that they have not been shot so far? Kar-rupia, not otherwise laughing
        PS: the first time I see this.
        The robot yells at an attempt to insert a link to the site: "The message contains invalid text."
        An attempt to insert the same link in the message editing mode is followed by a concise answer Error belay
        Developed by! You got a bug here fellow
  10. Overlock
    Overlock 21 January 2018 16: 24
    +1
    Quote: Balu
    just from the agricultural market, Volga region, 800 km from Moscow. Potato 27-34, bought a loin for boiled pork - 220 rubles,

    I believe that without poison? We have no confidence
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 18: 25
      +3
      Quote: Overlock
      Quote: Balu
      just from the agricultural market, Volga region, 800 km from Moscow. Potato 27-34, bought a loin for boiled pork - 220 rubles,

      I believe that without poison? We have no confidence

      His meat, there is imported-Samara, Mari-El, Mordovia. The potato is the same. Fruits in the agricultural market are more expensive than in Pyaterochka and Magnet. 50 km in the village I have a small house. There is no collective farm; the farm was attached to a neighboring agricultural holding. Farms are being built.
      In the village there are 2 shops, a secondary school, a kindergarten, a mosque. Every year, villagers are built. At home, no worse than in urban cottage villages, I probably have the most plush.
      But the public herd has sharply decreased, hardly fifty cows. And before, the entire central street was occupied for a whole block, hundreds of three if not more. Neighbors prefer to keep the bird and the lamb. Horses began to hold units.
      In the words of my late babai: Who works, then a man. hi
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 52
        +2
        And with cattle, it’s really bad, few began to keep it in the yard. And there are more and more horses! For the sake of tourists.
  11. Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 January 2018 16: 43
    +3
    Nothing to say? And the people are getting fat. Nutritionists on Mercia earn without straining laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 January 2018 17: 11
      +8
      That is why it is getting fat that the palm tree is bursting.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 18: 38
      +5
      Quote: Captive
      Nothing to say? And the people are getting fat

      This is from the nerves and from the TV. And finally, as Berezovsky said: Chubais is to blame for everything lol
  12. Mih1974
    Mih1974 21 January 2018 16: 51
    +2
    Not everyone is ready to refute, but here on the purchase of wheat - a clear distortion. It consists in the fact that in Russia little wheat is grown in hard (bread) varieties. But in fact, data on an increase in purchases of just such wheat can have two opposite meanings: either it is a decrease in the cultivation of hard varieties, or an increase in the consumption (improvement of quality) of bread.
    I also don’t understand why the author sculpts two completely different facts - food purchases (these are flaws in the restoration of the agricultural industry) and personal actions of the Central Bank with insane (from a normal point of view) financial policy negative . There is a systematic (CB) destruction of the Russian economy and manufacturers of shoes and the same trucks could just become its victims. I do not condone the Central Bank or KAMAZ, I only insist on a clear understanding and separation of the problems of the Russian economy. Because if you put everything in a heap, then applying the right "medicine" for one of the problems for all problems, we will not achieve Happiness. You need to understand your every “mistake” and correct it precisely with the means that are intended for it.
    Yes, barrage customs duties are also needed, but with respect to the same bananas it’s stupid, but to support shoe production, it’s both useful and cheaper loans to help. good For cars - and protective duties and development within the country (albeit at the beginning of state money) to develop leasing, especially now that buyers have a problem with the dough (all its “female dogs” were squeezed out of the economy am ).
  13. thinker
    thinker 21 January 2018 16: 57
    +3
    for 11 months of 2017, imports of vegetable oil increased (four times)

    A classic example, it says the truth, but not all. Yes, imports have grown, but what about exports?
    Russia entered second place in the world in the export of sunflower oil

    https://ria.ru/economy/20170321/1490484387.html
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 21 January 2018 18: 36
      +1
      Either skis do not ride on asphalt, or "alternatively developed". This is how in such a way and at the same time manage to increase both the import and export of the same product? Although maybe "some" under the "vegetable" - they bring us "vegetable origin"? fool
      Well, these are two big differences - the same olive is completely of "animal" origin. laughing Although here it is rather a question of "milk palms."
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 19: 42
      +1
      So, for starters, you can hammer the counters with your inexpensive vegetable oil not diluted with water, and then export it?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 22 January 2018 00: 06
        +6
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        vegetable oil not diluted with water

        Cool !!! good laughing good
        Sharikov, tell us in more detail how to dilute the oil ... with water belay
        The son of a lawyer, damn it.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 04
          +1
          Golovan, do as I do: bring it to the SES, it’s better for someone you know, because they will not always do it, cheap vegetable oil and ask for an analysis. You will discover many interesting things. And yes, still study chemistry, I assure you, you are our ignorant, yet water and oil can mix wink The son of a troll damn.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 January 2018 10: 44
            +5
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            And yes, still study chemistry, I assure you, you are our ignorant

            Insolence - the second happiness?
            Not ... here, the campaign, the first.
            Miracle, I'm a diploma physical chemist laughing
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            water and oil can mix

            Taki "mix" and "dissolve" - ​​these are slightly different things. yes
            The son of a lawyer wassat
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 53
              +1
              Hey hollow, the name hydrator, dispersant and emulsifiers tell you something? You will find the technology itself to reduce the cost of vegetable oil. You are the same physicist as I am a Spanish pilot! It doesn’t matter what diplomas you buy with money, it’s important how you yourself know chemistry. wink And for mixing and dissolving, I'm sorry, but what am I talking about, ask the troll for forgiveness laughing
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 22 January 2018 11: 17
                +4
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                You will find the technology of reducing the cost of vegetable oil

                Yes nubynafig ... work for you yet laughing
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                It doesn’t matter what diplomas you buy with money.

                Right So I’m interested in where it taught you how to dilute oil with water yes
                And the fact that you bought a diploma does not cause doubts.
                The son of a lawyer fellow
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 15: 11
                  +1
                  laughing Enchanting you interlocutor golovan! Not only is the ignoramus also not self-educating in the least. For the "tanker" I repeat once again find in nete technology to reduce the cost of vegetable oil and read. I understand that your mistake is that you can’t mix water in the oil and fix this emulsion with emulsifiers, you already understand, but does your troll nature continue to bend its own? wink That is, in fact you have nothing to object to, and we will write it down. You are the same physicist as I am a Spanish pilot !. Keep trolling. TRO-LO-LO laughing
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 25 January 2018 23: 54
        +2
        Oil - water? !! You are laughing know how?
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 26 January 2018 09: 11
          0
          Again, I write for the "tankers", find the dispenser, hydrator and emulsifiers tags for cheaper oil technology and read it! Take up self-education in the end! You will be surprised, but thanks to modern technology, water can already be diluted in a mass of seemingly immiscible liquids.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 26 January 2018 10: 45
            +1
            I’m doing oil self-education in a frying pan. Do you know how interesting? laughing That's all it turns out. And I think if your oil and water is sold, then "olive" is cheap. It is most likely not fried on it, but sent to salads. And I use the old fashioned way - I use my native sunflower. And it is already inexpensive. And there is definitely no water in it!
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 26 January 2018 16: 05
              0
              So I also love to cook and cook very often. You will still engage in self-education and learn technology. And it turns out that "I did not read Pasternak, but I do not approve"
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 27 January 2018 11: 09
                +1
                Why should I read this technology? Why do I need self-education on this issue? I ask - why cheaper and so cheap oil? Well, I don’t know, maybe you, where you live, sell something suspicious? We have Kuban and Adyghe excellent quality. And all kinds of these additives, plus even that - margarine will work. In addition, Pasternak did not read and therefore do not discuss. I have other interests in reading. As in self-education.
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 28 January 2018 10: 16
                  0
                  And besides, you can mix water with oil and you won’t even understand it! That was what the argument was about! However, as in the mass of other seemingly non-mixing liquids. I will tell you more, there are already achievements in converting palm oil into a liquid stage at room temperature. And you don’t even understand that they will sell you a palm under the guise of a sunflower. Our cheapest oil costs 56 rubles for 0,9 liters or 800 grams, while the normal one costs almost 100 rubles for 0,9 liters! Tell me this cheap oil? In your area it is produced, in ours there! And self-education, even in things far from interest, must be obliged, for self-development, that by 40-50 you don’t turn into a bruise with the diplomas of a physicochemist who has somehow studied and lives with technological ideas of the 50-60s of the last century
                  1. a housewife
                    a housewife 28 January 2018 12: 02
                    +1
                    You see, I was born in 1962. I studied normally. It has not turned into a bruise. And by my age I have many different friends. One works at a poultry farm, the other at an oil and fat factory. There is - from the bakery, in short - from different industries. My husband worked at a confectionery factory at one time. So I know where and how to do something. And believe me - there is nothing except sunflower oil in sunflower oil! And most of all palm oil is in “creamy”, in ice cream, in cakes and in sausage. And besides palm oil there is still a bunch of all sorts of rubbish. And in cheap sunflower oil, soy or rapeseed is most likely added, the rubbish is still that. I’m either taking a familiar product in the store, or I’m standing and studying the label. It helps that myopia - I read any small letters. Therefore, I always go to the store for a long time, and do not throw in the basket, which I liked by sight. I’ll enumerate five different pieces of cottage cheese, because I have to have three components - milk, sourdough, coagulating enzyme, for example, calcium chloride, which is prescribed by guest. And I do not take the weight - it is not known what! And to learn everything on various issues - this is beyond the power of anyone, and there is no need. Are you here for self-development will study issues related to the production and quality of knitting threads? Hardly, really? Do you study cement technology? Are you interested in the intricacies of loading and unloading ships in the port? Gearbox manufacturing? Do not know? And you learn - for self-development. For self-development, I began to study the Portuguese language, as well as playing the piano. Try it - fun. For me personally - it’s difficult at my age to master even children's songs. But I can handle. And what are you doing for self-development?
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 28 January 2018 13: 51
                      0
                      Want to develop, read non-fiction.
                      Do you want to live, study with children, teenagers .... they are like a battery energizer, get bored, they will not let you grow over with moss !!!
                      1. a housewife
                        a housewife 29 January 2018 01: 39
                        +1
                        You know, I live a normal life anyway. I mean - I do not miss. Hours in a day is not enough. Is this what I do at VO? Interesting to me. It’s only a pity that most of the comments are just banter.
                    2. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 28 January 2018 16: 03
                      0
                      And I got a second tower in 40 for self-development. I read and communicate a lot. I’m studying the Internet. By the way, I know the technology of cement production well, since I built a lot for myself. The production of gearboxes is the same, as well as the intricacies of loading and unloading and not only shipwork, I can clearly explain to you what the ship's role is, although the nickname to the sea does not relate to ships at all! This is just interesting to me. Just imagine, learning something new, even unnecessary, it can be interesting !. I’m constantly learning new professions, as I’m used to doing almost everything with my own hands. I participate in local intellectual games and our team has become champions of the Champions League of intellectual games.
                      And by the way, soybean and rapeseed are more expensive than water, so it happens that oil is also bodysuit, because even the cheapest oil in our country is by no means cheap, so there is a benefit.
                      1. a housewife
                        a housewife 29 January 2018 01: 36
                        +2
                        Well, well, in the competition with the housewife, we assume we won! wassat Explain to me that such a ship role is not necessary, I'm generally from the naval hero city of Novorossiysk. Eat everything you think is necessary, develop further - success !!! However, I’ll add - at one time I had a KVN team, and they fought with experts, and much more. I don’t think that I am here to prove something to someone. And it was not in vain that I mentioned a frying pan - try to fry something not in normal oil.
  14. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 21 January 2018 17: 35
    +8
    An article in the spirit of Grudinin. Tkachev in Krasnodar has fried, it must be changed to Grudinin.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 26
      +1
      you are mistaken, Tkachev did not get burned. There he has a greenhouse for vegetables nemeryano (google). When Turkish tomatoes were banned, he was enriched greatly. Prices are in control. Or maybe from Turkey imports and passes off as locals?
  15. renics
    renics 21 January 2018 17: 37
    +2
    Where does Anton Chablin's “legs grow” or the rise of an irreconcilable fighter against evil? Where did the ideological orientation of Mr. AB Chablin, the journalist of the Open newspaper, the LiveJournalist of liberal values ​​(the owner of the recently created and widely advertised in the vast http://community.livejournal.com/stav_politics/ and the implacable fighter against all the bad, come from) , especially with the monstrous bloody “Russian fascism?” So A. Chablin ended up completing the course here in 2008. The Moscow School of Political Studies is a non-governmental and non-profit organization founded in 1992. http://www.msps.su/ ? page = 2
    The main activity of the School is educational seminars for the political elite of Russia and other post-communist countries. For 17 years, the School held more than two hundred seminars in several dozen regions of Russia and foreign countries. Graduates and students of the School are more than 10 thousand deputies, officials, businessmen, journalists and representatives of non-governmental organizations of federal, regional and local levels from 57 regions of Russia, as well as Azerbaijan, Armenia, Belarus, Bulgaria, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Mongolia, Serbia, Ukraine and Estonia. Along with Mr. A. Chablin, there were quite well-known personalities, for example, Mr. Pozner. And in general, the Moscow School website is also of interest, namely: the personality of the founder:
    - The founder and permanent director of the Moscow School of Political Studies is Elena Nemirovskaya. In the 1980s, the apartment of Nemirovskaya and her husband, Yuri Senokosov, became a real intellectual salon, where dissidents and representatives of the Moscow intelligentsia talked about the future of the country. October 31, 2003 Nemirovskaya - the first and only person in Russia - was awarded the Order of the British Empire - a symbol of the knightly dignity of British democracy. Elena Nemirovskaya is included in the list of 500 most influential people (American Biographical Institute, 1998), among the 500 remarkable women (American Biographical Institute, 1998). http://www.msps.su/?page=4 2. International Board of Trustees of the school:
    - Sir Rodrick BRIGHTWAIT (Great Britain) Ambassador of Great Britain to the USSR and Russia in 1988–1992 (years of work in the USSR were during the period of the collapse of the country, that is, “perestroika”).
    - Members of the Council with the right to vote:
    Gianpietro BORGINI (Italy) Manager, Milan (2006-2009)
    The Honorable Toby GATI (USA) Senior Advisor on International Affairs Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP in Washington, Adviser on Russian Affairs to US President Bill Clinton (1993)
    Lord Charles GATRY (Great Britain) Head of the Defense Council of Great Britain (1997-2003), Government Advisor for Security Affairs, Director, NM Rothschild and Sons Foundation
    Charles GRANT (UK) Director, Center for European Reforms
    Konstantin KOSACHEV (Russia) Chairman of the Committee on International Affairs of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
    Jean-Louis LORAN (Council of Europe) Director of Political Affairs, Council of Europe
    Vladimir LUKIN (Russia) Commissioner for Human Rights of the Russian Federation
    Mikhail MARGELOV (Russia) Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Affairs of the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
    Mikael MERTES (Germany) Secretary of State for the Federation and Europe of the Government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (North Rhine-Westphalia)
    Larisa MISHUSTINA (Russia) Senior Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation
    Dominic MOISIS (France) Founder of the French Institute of International Relations
    William NEWTON SMITH (UK), Chairman of the Board of Directors, Director of the Higher Education Support Program of the Soros Foundation
    Vladimir PLIGIN (Russia) Chairman of the Committee on Constitutional Legislation and State Building of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation
    Lord Robert SKIDELSKY (Great Britain) Member of the House of Lords, Parliament of Great Britain
    Mikhail SULMAN (Sweden) Executive Director of the Nobel Foundation
    Dmitry Trenin (Russia) Director of the Carnegie Moscow Center
    Baroness Shirley WILLIAMS (UK) Member of the House of Lords, Houses of Parliament
    Варlvaro GIL-ROBLES (Spain) Former Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights
    Keith HAMPSON (UK) Consultant, Democracies International Ltd. Member of Parliament, House of Commons (1974 - 1997)
    Igor YURGENS (Russia) First Vice-President, Renaissance Capital Investment Group; Chairman of the Board, Institute for Contemporary Development
    Non-voting members of the Council:
    Thomas PICKERING (USA) Chairperson of the Board of Directors, "Supporters of Civil Society in Russia", US Ambassador to the Russian Federation (1993-1996) http://www.msps.su/?page=60
    More details; https://qwerty765.livejournal.com/176848.html
    1. dSK
      dSK 22 January 2018 00: 02
      0
      Quote: renics
      More details;
      Russian Masonic lodge.
  16. Loess
    Loess 21 January 2018 17: 46
    0
    Funny, I looked at the source - there are also no links, where the numbers come from ...
    1. renics
      renics 21 January 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Yes, no where, from the ceiling, on the eve of the elections, not yet such articles will be written by liberals.
  17. ROM1077
    ROM1077 21 January 2018 17: 56
    +6
    and I moved to the suburbs my chickens goats rabbits in the greenhouse all the vegetables without pesticides. there is a fish pond and officially a hunting rifle. and let foreign chemistry gobble up naive townspeople ....
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 18: 40
      +3
      Quote: ROM1077
      and I moved to the suburbs my chickens goats rabbits in the greenhouse all the vegetables without pesticides. there is a fish pond and officially a hunting rifle. and let foreign chemistry gobble up naive townspeople ....

      Well done! good I'm proud of you! drinks hi
  18. ivagulin
    ivagulin 21 January 2018 18: 07
    +3
    I don’t know what to call it sabotage or the paid-up action of “aphids eating state treasury bills”, but for example, the last breeding center, Smena, was destroyed by a broiler in Russia - Smena, all the chicken we eat is brought to us either in the form of an incubation egg or in the form of progenitors, Turkey and rabbits, the situation is similar. Western pests will want to make muck and within 2-3 years we will lose this meat., But there is nothing to replace. For bacon pork and meat cattle breeding
  19. bubalik
    bubalik 21 January 2018 18: 12
    +4
    The state gives a good chance what
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 29
      +3
      good harvest. How many years are they giving for this?
  20. tasha
    tasha 21 January 2018 18: 16
    +2
    What about strawberries? With strawberry?
    We import or eat our own? wink
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    2. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      What about strawberries? With strawberry?
      We import or eat our own? wink

      800 km from Moscow, Volga region. In the summer, about a month in the city they sold their own, from suburban farms 200-160r. All year round, Turkish-Israeli, tasteless, but beautiful and lies for a long time, because GMOs and chemistry.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 21 January 2018 21: 03
        +1
        Therefore, no one buys it, and even bugs with worms do not eat.
  21. Victor N
    Victor N 21 January 2018 18: 17
    +2
    The title of the article does not correspond to the content - a big minus of the editorial board.
    The name is provocative.
    1. renics
      renics 21 January 2018 18: 35
      +1
      This freak of a pseudo journalist has all the provocative titles of articles.
  22. Nemesis
    Nemesis 21 January 2018 18: 23
    +7
    All the problems are from Plato, capital repairs and high gas prices ... I’m not talking about Putin’s stubborn refusal to introduce a progressive tax in the Russian Federation ... That’s to raise the retirement age, it’s always please ... All in order for a person never lived like a man ... In a country a mess ... The government has almost eliminated the leadership of the country, limiting its function to collecting taxes ... The house in which my friends live began to be resettled, then they changed their minds, there were 3 residential buildings left apartments ... How governors appointed by the president do not think about living in such a situation, because they do not live in such conditions and are only busy raising their own salaries ... For another friend, they either turn off the elevator for the weekend or hot water for the night ... One thing I can do wish you, Mr. President and company - In order for you and your descendants to live in our conditions and longer!
    1. AshiSolo
      AshiSolo 21 January 2018 21: 59
      0
      Quote: Nemesis
      All the problems are from Plato, capital repairs and high gas prices ... I’m not talking about Putin’s stubborn refusal to introduce a progressive tax in the Russian Federation ... That’s to raise the retirement age, it’s always please ... All in order for a person never lived like a man ... In a country a mess ... The government has almost eliminated the leadership of the country, limiting its function to collecting taxes ... The house in which my friends live began to be resettled, then they changed their minds, there were 3 residential buildings left apartments ... How governors appointed by the president do not think about living in such a situation, because they do not live in such conditions and are only busy raising their own salaries ... For another friend, they either turn off the elevator for the weekend or hot water for the night ... One thing I can do wish you, Mr. President and company - In order for you and your descendants to live in our conditions and longer!

      I just can’t understand the logic. The vacuum cleaner has broken - I can’t carry it in for repair. Who am I to change something? I’ll buy a new one, it will work for a hundred years. And that the old one broke, the factory director is to blame, not the assemblers.

      So what people in Belarus are apolitical for, and as soon as they started talking about a 100% payback on a communal apartment, the people of ZHES began to press and sue and even win the courts.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 22 January 2018 09: 02
        +2
        We are also suing, only the result is zero. Well, my friends filed a lawsuit, well, they paid them in court a salary, the payment of which was delayed for six months. Again, they do not pay in a timely manner again, and those who most of all incited the collective to appeal to the court were fired, under any far-fetched pretexts. It could be worse. About 15 years ago, the head of the trade union of the VASO plant was simply killed ... and they didn’t find the killers, although it’s clear to the horse who is behind this ... If the president does not want to change the system, then all these storms in a glass at the local level are ridiculous ... If a serious punishment had been introduced in Russia for violating the labor code and applied in practice, this would have solved the problem, but Putin does not ... The governors appointed by Putin also pretend that they do not notice all this mess ... This is vicious circle and vicious system ...
  23. Vard
    Vard 21 January 2018 18: 29
    0
    growing imports of potatoes (fresh and chilled): So I’ll die ... not having tried imported chilled potatoes ... They generally read ... what they write ... one is happy with the oak version of such opuses ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 21 January 2018 18: 44
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      growing imports of potatoes (fresh and chilled):

      I saw this in Zelgross, incl. and already ready for deep-fried cooking. The spring was even Egyptian. And so the whole year to the young Kazakhstani local and from neighboring regions (Mordovia, Mari-El, Chuvashia).
  24. Awaz
    Awaz 21 January 2018 18: 40
    +2
    First of all, the matter is the greed of some manufacturers. When the ruble fell to 80 almost a dollar, everyone sharply raised prices, equalizing them almost to European ones. The ruble appreciated, but no one is cutting prices, on the contrary, they are growing in some areas. And at some point, really, in some areas it’s easier to buy abroad. Kartofan, from a post, it is most likely Belarusian and Egyptian ...
  25. bandabas
    bandabas 21 January 2018 19: 04
    +3
    Take the Murmansk region. In the USSR, both cows and chicken were raised here. It was fishing. As of now, I remember. Cod for 38 kopecks. Available live fish (pool). In the 90s, people began to plant potatoes! (Time was like that). And, that potato, which is a hundred times better than which is now traded in chain stores. And now no one needs the North. Oh well....
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 19: 39
      +3
      I also live in the north and still, since the 80s, have been planting potatoes and carrots and cabbage and onions and garlic and much more. Almost everything grows well in the conditions of the Far North, even the phrase “risky farming zone” does not affect it in any way. And now nobody really needs the north. Only our authorities need Peter and Moscow, everything else is a load (people), from which it will get rid
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 22 January 2018 17: 05
        0
        Good luck Andrey! We understood each other. By the way, everyone started planting in the mid-80s. Damn, I was still in school.
        1. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 19: 48
          0
          Thank you so much for wishing you good luck! The same to you, I apologize; I do not know to contact you. And we are northern people, you’ll hit us with hell, even with the current government.
  26. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 21 January 2018 19: 36
    +4
    The current government in Russia is most profitable only to buy and sell. They don’t respect production, it’s difficult, for a long time, and in general it’s also necessary to bother with the workers, and this brings too many difficulties for itself. Yes, and we are built into world trade at the most reluctant and on vassal terms of the raw materials appendage. So everything goes in the context of managing the president and the government. Whether it is necessary to vote for the current government is a rhetorical question.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 January 2018 21: 10
      +1
      And the government is not engaged in production not in their competence, private owners and proteges from the Kremlin are engaged in production - at state-owned enterprises.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 22 January 2018 10: 06
        +4
        So to listen to many here present, so the current government does not do anything and is not responsible for anything, especially Putin. But then the question arises: is such power necessary?
  27. Overlock
    Overlock 21 January 2018 19: 59
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    In general, we were equal in both opportunities and living standards !!!

    hi
  28. Overlock
    Overlock 21 January 2018 20: 08
    0
    Quote: SOF
    For example, for the winter, I bought a sheepskin in Tyumen for 1000 versts.

    they brought me overalls from there, as a winter coat. 3 winters departed
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 21 January 2018 22: 05
    0
    There is nothing to feed the country, import substitution failed
    And what has not failed yet in the country? Please do not talk about the Crimean bridge - it has not yet been completed .... wassat
  30. raw174
    raw174 22 January 2018 06: 36
    +4
    Everything is natural. The urbanization process continues! Food is the business of the villagers, and now the number of working-age population is steadily decreasing in the countryside. Young people go to the city for a beautiful life ... Of course, they build greenhouses and farms in the suburbs, but they will not feed all the townspeople, too many editors who produce nothing ...
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 22 January 2018 09: 44
      +3
      there is no place to work stupidly in the village, even cattle became unprofitable to grow, because feed is prohibitively expensive. here people are dumping from the village. small cities will also soon bend, and also for the same reason. we will all live in Moscow.
      1. raw174
        raw174 22 January 2018 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: uskrabut
        even cattle became unprofitable to grow, because feed is prohibitively expensive.

        But this is not true! I live in a village, literally at the weekend I cut two piglets, I sold the meat. In total, about 140 kg turned out. meat, money about 25 thousand rubles., pigs cost 5 thousand (both), they ate 3 thousand, I went after them for half a year. I have a bull, it cost 11 thousand, eats about 6-7 thousand, I’ll need up to 50 thousand. I need to go after it for a year, despite the fact that it is almost 5 months in the stall.
        Livestock farming is purely economically feasible, just the people are a bit lazy, they don’t want to wave a shovel ...
      2. raw174
        raw174 22 January 2018 14: 33
        +2
        Quote: uskrabut
        there is no place to work stupidly in the village

        That is yes. Moreover, if you look at the workplaces of the city, you can see that half of the people in the city do not understand what, managers, merchandisers and other buzzwords ... i.e. they do not produce anything; they are consumers without material returns. Yes, there is intellectual work, but it often does not produce anything ...
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 22 January 2018 09: 51
      +3
      Reasonable balance of productive forces !!!
      Once the State Planning Committee issued normal ideas .... only people do not want to live according to ideas, for them material dreams come first!
      Has something changed since then ???
  31. uskrabut
    uskrabut 22 January 2018 09: 42
    +2
    And socialism was destroyed, and capitalism was not built. Say what you like, but without state regulation, a coherent economic policy of the state, nothing can be achieved. And with this we have big, colossal problems. The government eats in three throats and does nothing for the development of the country.
  32. rocket757
    rocket757 22 January 2018 11: 26
    +5
    Sotskiy,
    I personally voted for the USSR ... until hoarseness I proved to fans of sandwiches that it was rubbish ... although I didn’t try it personally with us, I don’t think it differs from Finnish, Greek, Canadian at least something !!! I tried to explain to people about cheese and a mousetrap !!!
    Mac Donalds won.
    What to do now ... I already spoke on the topic, I will not offer anything else, otherwise they will write to the enemies.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Mac Donalds won.

      whom?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 January 2018 12: 23
        +4
        Judging by that. how much it has become in our cities, catering and others at the expense of a normal meal!
        This figurative expression of my opinion!
        Let's see more broadly, the power system in which we were born and grew up ceased to exist .... i.e. the political elite of our country decided to move to another level!
        Can anyone believe that this is the PLUS level ??? I think this is MINUS!
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 January 2018 12: 49
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Can anyone believe that this is the PLUS level ??? I think this is MINUS!

          For this, there are elections .. they will show that more people like it.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 January 2018 13: 56
            +2
            I do not presume to discuss sales.
            We choose the one who was allowed to choose !!!
            Our elections, this is one hillock in the open field, hosh not hosh but climb on him.
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 22 January 2018 12: 26
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      otherwise they’ll write to enemies.

      Isn’t it, strange, in my opinion, there were fewer "enemies" in the USSR than in "democracy." Do not find?)
      Or maybe the almighty KGB "did not catch mice"?)))
      For that now it’s just some kind of flower garden: Fifth, Sixth Columns, Compradors, All-Finger, Oppositionists of all stripes at the state expense, Citizens with an oath to two, or even three passports!
      MORNING!))))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 January 2018 14: 04
        +4
        There were enemies, but they were silent in a rag ... I remember our Soviet "idyll" as it is.
        So the KGB caught mice, many and different .... therefore, nurseries and nests did not appear everywhere on !!! However, most citizens perceived this as normal.
        I, too, had nothing to complain about, so there was no way to consider that we had some kind of super-duper. In the world, sales were progressive and abruptly, as it were.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 22 January 2018 14: 30
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          I, too, had nothing to complain about, so there was no way to consider that we had some kind of super-duper. In the world, sales were progressive and abruptly, as it were.

          I agree.
          To our "general people" and Pol Pot to Cambodia, to the Khmer Rouge for a month, even the Stalinist "terror" would appear to be a liberal resort.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 January 2018 14: 56
            +2
            Indochina at all horror! Can we go to a "civilized" country ... to minke whales, during the days of McCarthyism !!! Yes, and if you delve into the geyrop, you can dig up a lot of things !!! And then everything is smeared with honey ???
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 22 January 2018 15: 01
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              Can we go to a "civilized" country ... to minke whales, during the days of McCarthyism !!! Yes, and if you delve into the geyrop, you can dig up a lot of things !!! And then everything is smeared with honey ???

              They learned how to make beautiful “wrappers”, but they tried the insides of “sweets” “from our Western friends”, so they began to sing songs about “import substitution”)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 22 January 2018 15: 25
                +2
                I want the Doctor's as a union ... and butter, sour cream, ice cream and LEMONADE !!!
                A joke, and nostalgia.
                Really, the seeds would be good !!! Schaub potatoes as before, tomatoes with cucumbers .... I’ll plant and grow myself, no problem !!!!
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 22 January 2018 15: 38
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Really, the seeds would be good !!!

                  But what will our speculators trade in?) Agricultural products will always be in demand, because you always want to eat.
                  Therefore, we do not have our own seed stock. Lobbyists in power are a terrible force, and the “entry” into the WTO has “helped” us a lot.
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 27 January 2018 11: 17
      +2
      In McDonald's, by the way, the quality is excellent. Just fast food is a sandwich food system. It is in itself harmful. It is no different from the fact that you will use excellent products, cook cutlets and rolls yourself and eat only them. In our kitchens there are always different soups, borscht, salads. Here they must be consumed more often.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 27 January 2018 18: 18
        0
        Mac Don ..... not for the sake of the principle of nutrition, but as a symbol. Although, in order for Schaub to earn an ulcer, it’s the very thing .... How can people survive with food from sachets?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 28 January 2018 01: 42
          +1
          Well, here at McDonald’s in Maykop is empty. There are no queues. Apparently, those days are gone. But, of course, let them be - for those who wish. but also enough of their cafes.
  33. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 22 January 2018 11: 27
    +3
    SOF,
    we all have a stigma in the cannon, and we don’t really have anything to share

    You know, I don’t know how my ancestors did, but I don’t think myself that I have a “snout in a cannon”. Imagine, it was the Soviet system that brought me up like this - not to take someone else's and not to “change shoes in the air” if I gave my word.
    And there is nothing special to share, because everything has already been divided?) If so, then I'm sorry, the above principles do not allow you to calmly look at this mess and there is a latent desire to return everything that is shared to the true owner, that is, the people represented by the State. Or what is now, is not the State?
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 56
      0
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      and there is a latent desire to return everything that is divided to the true owner, that is, the people represented by the State.

      Is Tkachev our people? Or Medvedev or who are our people in the person of the State?))))
      And the second ... there is a desire, do not hold back, it is harmful. Take action, we are on your side! Return to me, as a people, all the loot. Write the address where to bring the loot?))))
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 22 January 2018 12: 12
        0
        Quote: Petr1968
        Write the address where to bring the loot?))))

        No address at all!
        Again, inventory, protocol (as Anatoly Papanov said), passport details. And then it’s not equal to an hour, you will say later that this is all acquired by the overwork of your beloved wife.
        So I'm waiting for the address!)
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 January 2018 12: 35
          0
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Again, inventory, protocol (as Anatoly Papanov said), passport details.

          I’ll write a receipt that I, as a deceived people all returned ... to the penny))
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 22 January 2018 12: 50
            0
            Quote: Petr1968
            I’ll write a receipt that I, as a deceived people all returned ... to the penny))

            No, I don’t!) First, as Presidents, swear allegiance to the Russian state and its people by the Americans, and then (if you want) we’ll talk about “the affairs of our sinners”).
            No other way!)
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 22 January 2018 12: 30
        +2
        No need to customize as you wish / understanding.
        There was a Land of Soviets, and this was an expression of the will of the people, a people’s state!
        What they did out of it during the reform process (Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev) was sad and did not reflect the genuine aspirations of the people! In short, the philosophical topic and there are so many opinions !!! I don’t want to argue.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 22 January 2018 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          There was a Land of Soviets, and this was an expression of the will of the people, a people’s state!

          Yes, I remember this Country of Soviets ... I see that they lived in different countries ... that then, that everything belonged to officials now ... I, like in the MA, no one paid for our forests and bowels ... So, here I don’t draw paradise necessary.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 January 2018 14: 16
            +4
            Lies! In the Land of Soviets there was no private ownership of the means of production and of course the bowels !!! All this was in the public domain.
            How they disposed of it and to whom the income was from it, this is a separate song, according to the law, everything was honest.
            So you're lying like ....! Ignorance does not smell here whether you are offended by the Land of Soviets or its enemy, say so!
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 14
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              All this was in the public domain.
              How was it disposed of and to whom was the income from it, a separate song, according to the law, everything was honest

              How do you get out, how much .. "separate song". This is the main song. You know, it’s written on the fence, and there’s firewood. The bowels belonged to you ??? So you were a sheikh, then it is clear that you are happy. And I stood in line for a shitty car for 10 years ..
              And as for the enemy ... ohh, I recognize the trololo))) Yes, yes, maybe you can even say how much the State Department pays for the post now?)) Not tired? not 2014 year)))
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 January 2018 11: 37
                +2
                Single song - This is just something that can be discussed. The topic is extensive and requires accuracy, documented arguments, i.e. true facts ... that's the whole trick.
                Okay, I won’t throw the beads ... No conversation is expected, the client is inadequate. In short, is it time for you to get a chlorpromazine to the doctor? Bye Bye.
                1. Petr1968
                  Petr1968 23 January 2018 12: 30
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  no conversation expected, customer inadequate

                  The topic is extensive and requires accuracy, documented arguments, i.e. true facts

                  In Russian, this is called a "painkiller" ... do not toss the bags. Some sort of nonsense to write further about individual songs, extensive topics .. well, and that would not drown about hospitals at all)) He is a Troll in Africa and a Troll. Then treat the grandfathers further.
  34. Petr1968
    Petr1968 22 January 2018 11: 54
    0
    Quote: renics
    And who is this Chablin

    Are you a private detective ???
  35. Dimmih
    Dimmih 22 January 2018 13: 34
    +1
    I don’t know, guys, I don’t know how in Russia as a whole. In Altai, landowners have a growing rod. They all speak well, sow, plow, sell.
  36. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 22 January 2018 13: 43
    +2
    There is very little imported crap in stores. Local products are not just there ... A FOOT. You want your manufacturer (city-district) TAKE, you want - from the central strip of Russia, and if the foodie - Chinas food choices are hurt ... Well, somewhere there are small interspersed goods from the Western regions of Russia interspersed with the European "hawka". In my city, well, Nichrome domestic food collapse I DO NOT SEE. Aftur anneals.
  37. rocket757
    rocket757 22 January 2018 13: 52
    +2
    Sotskiy,
    And there are questions and desires!
    Yes, all sorts of dreams, different, so where without them !!!
    I think that you can open a whole site - Our dreams - everyone has it, sho
  38. Antares
    Antares 22 January 2018 14: 26
    +1
    We even import wheat - though, last year, it was one and a half times less intensive than in 2016 (we bought “only” 247 thousand tons).
    The main component in the structure of wheat imports to Russia (95% of the total wheat imports) is milling wheat with a high gluten content, strong and valuable wheat, mainly represented by the third class. The need to import wheat of a high level of quality is due to its insufficient domestic production, which is primarily associated with the climatic conditions of Russia. In the volume of gross harvest, class 3 wheat is about 10-15%. At the same time, wheat with a high gluten content (more than 23%) is an indispensable raw material for the milling and baking industry, primarily due to technological necessity, since only with a high gluten content in flour can high-quality bakery products be produced. Wheat of the third class is most often used in combination with weaker wheat. Durum wheat, which is practically not grown in the climatic conditions of Russia, but is the main raw material in the production of pasta, should be highlighted as a separate article of wheat imports.
    Wheat of lower classes is practically not imported into Russia, since the need for it is provided through domestic production. Seeds are also imported into Russia.

    The main countries exporting wheat to Russia are: in the supply of flour-milled grain - Kazakhstan, in the supply of seed - Germany. Kazakhstan accounts for approximately 98% of the total Russian imports of wheat flour, which is dictated by the geographical proximity of countries and attractive grain prices offered by Kazakhstan.
    This is a common practice. The reason is the climate.
    If there has been an increase in imports of such wheat, then the consumption of flour products has increased (as well as if the seed, then the area has increased) ..
    The article does not indicate this. Two points are course and competition.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 22 January 2018 15: 00
      +2
      That's right, a long-known fact!
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 26 January 2018 00: 04
      +3
      You have not seen a huge ... HUGE creeping line of trucks with grain at the port of Novorossiysk !!! It stretches every year for several tens of kilometers and for several months !!!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 January 2018 09: 59
        0
        So it is officially shown that where and how much is sold .. and Novorossiysk showed.
        We also officially recognize what and how much we buy.
        Winning reports do not reflect how people really live and where we have, well, that's right.
        And the type of store PRINCIPLE, in which everything is again in the trend!
        Et so ... so any power lies immensely! And before the elections, so finally can I show the truth, it’s not weakly substituted! Who will take a chance ???
        But still, we know that! Only those who do not care do not know !!!
  39. Wolf 1
    Wolf 1 22 January 2018 17: 55
    +1
    The respected "expert" somehow did not remember that in 2017, in the normal sense, there was no summer in the middle zone of Russia. Parents said that the local river overflowed 3 times over the summer - that's how much it rained! What a potato.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 22 January 2018 19: 48
      +3
      Climate, weather conditions, what they are and the harvest. Not everything depends on us, that’s how it is.
      We have a risky farming zone, a crop a year, a year later ... no agricultural technology can save.
      So it's pointless to argue. Maybe the year is good or not, but the country provides itself with everything necessary for any reason, so there’s nothing to argue about.
  40. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 January 2018 22: 21
    +1
    Here is a nonsense then! What do you compare import with import? Well, yes, it has grown, and even much - relative to zero! Import must be compared with the domestic product. And with export. Vile, deceitful article. Designed for the illiterate "victims of the EG."
  41. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 22 January 2018 22: 34
    +1
    Consultants in the form of experts, these are consultants ...... Maybe imports grew because demand grew? Consumption statistics where? The author under Navalny lay down?
  42. looker-on
    looker-on 22 January 2018 22: 54
    0
    Quote: renics
    And who is this Chablin, an outstanding scientist agronomist like Lysenko, a national academician, without an appropriate education and writing about agriculture. The amazing thing is, what kind of person, with incomprehensible aspirations. Activity: Political observer of the independent socio-political newspaper of the Stavropol Territory "Open Newspaper". For Everyone and Everyone, "a political scientist. Moreover, from his words.
    Education. University: StGMA. (Stavropol Medical University) Faculty: Medical. Form of study: Full-time. Status: Graduate (specialist) Apparently a medic with a political and agricultural bias. Then, North Caucasian Federal University Stavropol. Faculty: Humanitarian Institute. Form of study: Correspondence department. Apparently he didn’t want to work as a doctor, because he didn’t have to wiggle the bags with his tongue. Life position. Polit. preferences: Secular humanism. Worldview: Liberal. I posted everything about myself as a spirit in Vkontakte. https://vk.com/achablin
    I represent get acquainted.


    Does it bother you that you have a Chekist president? And most of those close from there? Do you judge the authors by photo and description? Or just troll? So you check the data from the article and prove that it is a lie and then pour over the author with whatever you want. There is the film “Dog Heart” - there such a funny character was in a leather coat. He offered to read newspapers and went with a crowd of subordinates (slaves). I think the role was written for you.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 23 January 2018 09: 06
      +2
      Type president of comedians and other artists at the best ???
      We have our own mess, we understand ... we don’t need a tsuzu!
      The country lives, works, feeds its thickbodies ... so at capitalism is my friend, you might think that somewhere else ???
      In short, buy a herring, cut off her head and "drip" on her brains!
  43. Morozyaka
    Morozyaka 23 January 2018 09: 09
    +1
    Something is active on the VO pedal for the sternum. Vote - and we will have strawberries, well, just heaps. At the same time, in addition to shouting that polymers have disappeared, they shout that power is lying. He’s lying, but even the Stalinist pedagogues are lying and juggling the facts. However, the election.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 23 January 2018 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Morozyaka
      Something is active on the VO pedal for the sternum. Vote - and we will have strawberries, well, just heaps. At the same time, in addition to shouting that polymers have disappeared, they shout that power is lying. He’s lying, but even the Stalinist pedagogues are lying and juggling the facts. However, the election.

      And why is he worse than Zhirinovsky or Putin? And yes .... why do you call it elections? Or is it a Choice for you?))))
  44. sotsprofspb
    sotsprofspb 23 January 2018 14: 42
    +1
    For more than 50 years, agriculture has been ruined, and now we want to return everything that was worn out in 2-3 years. This is not real. The village must be revived.
  45. Radikal
    Radikal 23 January 2018 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: rocket757
    I do not presume to discuss sales.
    We choose the one who was allowed to choose !!!
    Our elections, this is one hillock in the open field, hosh not hosh but climb on him.

    I don’t understand - will you be led to vote by the elbow? winked
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 January 2018 09: 50
      +1
      What real choice ???
      Never voted as I was led - only as I wanted or NO!
      I do not vote for GDP, in any way, this power is not mine! At the moment, FOR ME, there is simply no choice .... but nothing will change from this.
      GDP will be the first for a reason .... you can list yourself.
  46. Insurrection
    Insurrection 23 January 2018 16: 58
    0
    The planet is big- RUSSIA will not feed everyone.
  47. Evgeny Sazonov
    Evgeny Sazonov 24 January 2018 01: 55
    +2
    If the opinion of the publisher does not coincide with the opinion of the authors, then why publish this nonsense? What kind of hunger are we talking about? In our "Auchan" hamon hangs - no one takes it ... And they take our meat delicacies for 250-350 rubles. Any cheese that you can imagine - both liquid and hard and grated and with heads and sliced ​​... The shops have everything and even more than necessary. The quality, I agree, is not always at its best, but only a sick person can call abundance of hunger ... Yes, and he probably lives in Moscow)))) Probably, in general, he was swollen from malnutrition))))
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 26 January 2018 00: 07
      +2
      About cheese! The other day Adygea still legalized the name "Adygea cheese". All that is not from Adygea will not be considered as such now! Oh, very good and delicious! good They promise that they are able to do all of Russia! I believe. A lot of cheese-making shops.
  48. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 29 January 2018 09: 39
    0
    Quote: housewife
    Well, well, in the competition with the housewife, we assume we won! wassat Explain to me that such a ship role is not necessary, I'm generally from the naval hero city of Novorossiysk. Eat everything you think is necessary, develop further - success !!! However, I’ll add - at one time I had a KVN team, and they fought with experts, and much more. I don’t think that I am here to prove something to someone. And it was not in vain that I mentioned a frying pan - try to fry something not in normal oil.

    Do you think it was interesting for me to triumph over you? I don’t fight women at all, it’s not manly. The only rival I try to constantly defeat is myself! And by the way, I didn’t “poke” you. And the oil diluted with water in the pan starts to splash heavily. I think you will understand the mechanism of this yourself if you studied physics at least in the amount of 8 classes.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 30 January 2018 12: 21
      +1
      Did you write to "you"? Sorry, not intentionally. I immediately wrote about the frying pan that I was checking at the stove, I thought it was clear! I also studied physics at the Taganrog Institute of Radio Engineering. And you are not interested in me at all. Do not bother to answer, I will not read.
  49. rumatam
    rumatam 9 February 2018 16: 04
    0
    Here I read and get the impression of a special de-industrialization of the Siberian region, its transformation into raw materials. In Omsk, people were poisoned by the Oil Refinery, Sk, nothing else was left, nor Flight (only the workshop), 51 tank boasted that they were restoring tank tracks, although the tanks themselves and Buratino MLRS produced. And the European part is developing.