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Syria had to be bombed back in 2013 year: French analyst indignant

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Bombing Syria back in the 2013 year is what needs to be done. Obama did not do this and made a big mistake, says French expert Bruno Tertre.




French geopolitical expert, Deputy Director of the Foundation for Strategic Studies Bruno Tertre (Bruno Tertrais) believes that the refusal of President Barack Obama from the bombings of Syria after the Himataki is regrettable. Rejecting the idea of ​​bombing, President Barack Obama broke his own promise and thereby not only strengthened Bashar Assad, but also “built a springboard for IG (prohibited in the Russian Federation). In addition, Obama ruined US relations with partners and weakened the authority of his state in the world.

This expert said in an interview with "Le Figaro". According to an expert who leads the site "InoTV", US President B. Obama, despite promising not to leave himataks unpunished and intervene if the red line is crossed, in fact, "hesitated." After all, other promises, namely about the end of the American wars, helped B. Obama to win the presidential elections in the USA. “Obama feared that the attacks on Syria would involve the United States in yet another unsolvable conflict, and also that they would have negative consequences for his strategy of rapprochement with Iran,” said Tertre in an interview.

Obama’s “reverse”, the analyst believes, cost the United States dearly in terms of global reputation. Moreover, the White House “built a springboard for the IG, plunging the rebels into hopelessness.” The expert explains the emergence of jihadist structures in part by the “consequence of a sense of abandonment.”

Finally, the behavior of the United States under Obama made the Gulf countries think about the "effectiveness of the American protectorate." As a result, US influence in the Middle East has weakened. Conclusion: Obama lost on both fronts.

Further, the expert rests on the fact that Paris has already prepared everything for the bombing of Syria. Obama's refusal of the bombing brought discord in US relations with France, or rather, Obama with Hollande. “Paris was expecting,” says Tertre, “that a symbolic military strike would change the course of the war. Finally, France wanted to return to the game in Syria. When the Americans backed down, the French leadership was shocked. ” As the analyst recalls, in 2013, in France, everything was ready to strike: “The tankers were in the air, and the planes were on the runways, ready for takeoff. The persons in charge were very determined. ”

Through all the interviews of the French specialist, we note the thought of the bombing of Syria, which supposedly would save the planet from the appearance of the "Islamic State", runs through the thread. Similar methods of fragmentation of democracy across the planet were previously used in Libya. Obama was then configured differently and the "rebels" supported, and Madame Clinton said the famous "wow." Does it not seem to the French expert that in Libya today it is not at all the triumph of democratic freedoms?

By the way, in his last months at the White House, President Obama recognizedthat Libya was his most serious mistake. The mistake was not in the intervention itself, but in the fact that the attacking countries were completely unprepared for the consequences of the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi.

The Frenchman should carefully study this point of view. Were NATO or LAS countries ready for Syria without Assad in 2013? Obama managed to understand this, the French analyst did not.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. faiver
    faiver 18 January 2018 08: 01 New
    26
    it is a pity that the ancestors of the French expert were not shot by the Germans during 2MB ...
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 18 January 2018 08: 09 New
      +9
      They would have grinded in the 13th if Syria had given Olanda money for an elective company. laughing
      1. Teberii
        Teberii 18 January 2018 08: 35 New
        14
        The main thing that the expert admits is that the war in Syria is not against terrorists, but against Assad and the Syrians.
      2. Chertt
        Chertt 18 January 2018 09: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        They would have grinded in the 13th if Syria had given Olanda money for an elective company

        For many issues, the French are much more cynical jackals, even than mattresses
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 18 January 2018 17: 01 New
          +1
          Bombing Syria back in the 2013 year is what needs to be done. Obama did not do this and made a big mistake, says French expert Bruno Tertre.

          Mom of this Frenchman needed to fuck with a condom.
        2. Alexey Gusev_2
          Alexey Gusev_2 18 January 2018 19: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Hariton Laptev
          It’s interesting what would he sing if someone took and bombed, if not a whole, piece of France? Think of your frog brains ??? Imagine little Frenchmen left without mothers and fathers, heartbroken fathers and mothers whose children are buried under the rubble after the bombing, hunger and poverty. this is what kind of moral monster you have to be in order to say what you had to bomb ???? A well-fed rotten Europe. not even well-fed, snickering, convinced of its exclusivity, mired in sodom mud. Yes, this expert, yes, even for a couple of hours and under real shelling. I think he will cease to issue conclusions.

          I'm afraid under real shelling, he will start to give out the same thing, only from the opposite in terms of physiology
    2. Dormidont
      Dormidont 18 January 2018 08: 10 New
      +3
      Looks like there was nothing. Well served
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 18 January 2018 08: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: faiver
      it’s a pity that the ancestors of the French expert did not

      They were needed back in 1812 ....
      1. faiver
        faiver 18 January 2018 08: 21 New
        +2
        then our Cossacks are also reprimanded ...
      2. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 18 January 2018 15: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Tol100v
        They were needed back in 1812 ....

        Don’t worry, the niggas with the Arabs will finish the unfinished, eliminate the contradictions and put in place the frog lovers and not only them. Oh, to throw firewood into this tear! I definitely want to see firsthand the bloody massacre in the centers of geyropa.
        You just look at the remarkable trends in the West:
        https://nstarikov.ru/club/88744 !!! good
        And this geyropsky biomass still yapping at Great Russia! We should help the “black brothers” to speed up the process methodologically, politically and creatively! Make the geyropu repent and accept more and more disadvantaged migrants.
        1. midivan
          midivan 18 January 2018 22: 44 New
          +4
          hi Thanks for the reference smile I read it with pleasure. But one seemed to me? Based on this -
          [/ quote] And the Swedes wake up too late. In 1870, Sweden was the poorest country in the world, and a hundred years later we became the richest country. This is an incredible leap. Miracle, God's blessing. But Sweden has betrayed God, and migrants are a kind of punishment. But I believe that salvation will come from Russia. You have a lot of common sense .------ Suddenly, Oscar is inspired:

          “Have you heard of the three prophecies of the Virgin from Fatima?”

          In 1917, in Portugal, in the village of Fatima, thousands of people observed the appearance of the Virgin Mary. Her first prophecy concerned the Second World War and Russia. She predicted two months before the October Revolution that Russia would face great upheavals if she turned her back on God. Millions of people will die. The third prophecy of the Virgin also concerned Russia, but was kept secret by the Vatican for many years. In 1981, a former Australian monk even hijacked a British plane with the only requirement: the Vatican should unveil a prophecy. It was partly opened in 2000. It promises us a difficult life. A new conversion of Russia to God will save the whole world, although it will be accompanied by terrifying cataclysms.

          - This year marks exactly one hundred years of prophecy. Now you understand why Christians all over the world are looking at Russia with hope ?! - exclaims Oscar.

          - Again we are! I say with longing. “Can’t you do without us?”

          “No way,” Oscar says sternly. - Russia has a great mission and God's blessing. [Quote]
          For those who have not read, this is a dialogue between the Swede and our military commissar Daria Aslamova. So, what am I going to do if the gay people are doing this, they are not without meaning in the prophecy of the revival of the Russian Empire and, judging by everything, this is not so far as it may seem to us. Here I am sitting and laughing. And who suddenly wants to kick me as a urapatriota, think and remember France, Germany, Belgium, how they celebrated holidays over the past couple of years. request Yes, by the way with the bombast of geyropa. how cool they are and they all defeated along with the abamka and saffron milk cap. lol PS Oh, I'm sorry that with regards to the French analyst, the conclusion from all his writings is one- miserable and miserable French women like a jackal top from Maugi, hiding behind their backs from behind puddles, they are ready to kill and bomb, but by no means themselves, which is proved by their cruise of an aircraft carrier, not in vain I always disliked them yes
    4. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 18 January 2018 08: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: faiver
      it is a pity that the ancestors of the French expert were not shot by the Germans during 2MB ...

      The shooting was replaced by rape.
    5. antivirus
      antivirus 18 January 2018 08: 34 New
      +1
      SIT ON TWO TOILETS AND DO NOT THINK OUT
      so say goodbye to their great colonial past.
      former mistress of deserts France yearns for the dunes and highlands of the Sahara and BBV
    6. Vend
      Vend 18 January 2018 08: 49 New
      +4
      Someday someone can make such a decision in relation to France.
      1. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 18 January 2018 09: 21 New
        0
        what, only in relation to France? Or seriously, what are we different from them in the first place?
        1. Vend
          Vend 18 January 2018 09: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
          what, only in relation to France? Or seriously, what are we different from them in the first place?

          And that Russia bombed the country or is going to bomb or complains that it has not bombed?
          1. Evgeny Strygin
            Evgeny Strygin 18 January 2018 10: 31 New
            +1
            Syria, no, not bombed? Georgia? Many complain that the banderlogs were not bombed or bombed. Not an argument.
            You do not pull entire states on individuals. Not children anymore.
            1. Vend
              Vend 18 January 2018 16: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
              Syria, no, not bombed? Georgia? Many complain that the banderlogs were not bombed or bombed. Not an argument.
              You do not pull entire states on individuals. Not children anymore.

              In Syria, Russia is fighting with ISIS at the invitation of the Syrian government. Georgia responded to its aggression. Something I did not hear Russian analysts and experts complain that they did not bomb Ukraine. And different sofa stratigigi does not count.
              1. Evgeny Strygin
                Evgeny Strygin 18 January 2018 18: 20 New
                +1
                Well, this Frenchman doesn’t count, otherwise you get wiped off for some kind of Zhirinovsky.
                1. Vend
                  Vend 18 January 2018 18: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Evgeny Strygin
                  Deputy Director of the Strategic Research Fund

                  Deputy Director of the Strategic Research Fund does not count, then who counts? laughing
                  1. Evgeny Strygin
                    Evgeny Strygin 18 January 2018 20: 45 New
                    +1
                    the head of one of the largest and most influential parties? And he, as it were, is not the only one we have bruised. And in France (or in any other country) there are plenty of such people in abundance. It doesn’t matter how the dogs bark - the main thing is in which direction the caravan camels go.
                    And with artiodactyls, trouble is everywhere. Our hunchbacks are no exception.
            2. Nitochkin
              Nitochkin 19 January 2018 02: 31 New
              +2
              Georgia? There was, yes, such a republic within the USSR. So there is none, there is Georgia. This is the first. Secondly, little of them, Georgians, were poured for meanness in Abkhazia, not enough.
              1. Evgeny Strygin
                Evgeny Strygin 19 January 2018 20: 03 New
                0
                Georgia is Georgia. And before entering the USSR, it was Georgia.
                This does not justify bestiality in the eighth year. This is just a fact - it is strange with the most diverse events in its history - often radically opposite in its quality.
    7. Evgeny Strygin
      Evgeny Strygin 18 January 2018 09: 20 New
      +1
      what for? his ancestors met the Nazis with flowers.
    8. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 18 January 2018 09: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: faiver
      it is a pity that the ancestors of the French expert were not shot by the Germans during 2MB ...

      So the legendaries in World War II surrendered to the Germans and only a small part, led by De Gaulle, fled to Africa. Around the same time, they recently fought in Syria. They pulled up their aircraft carrier, beat up the show-offs for 2 days, and left "in English." "Warriors" damn ...
      1. midivan
        midivan 18 January 2018 22: 58 New
        +4
        Quote: vasya.pupkin
        So the legendaries in World War II surrendered to the Germans and only a small part, led by De Gaulle, fled to Africa.

        Like in England, don’t you?
        Quote: vasya.pupkin
        We drove up our aircraft carrier, beat the show-offs for 2 days and left "in English". "Warriors" damn ...

        Yes, they didn’t beat the show-offs, but waited and hoped, the coal would start to bomb and they were right there on a horse and with a saber, doesn’t it remind you of anything? -And those that also defeated us?(C)
        1. vasya.pupkin
          vasya.pupkin 19 January 2018 09: 48 New
          +4
          De Gaulle was in Algeria, the former colony of France.
    9. Andrey NM
      Andrey NM 18 January 2018 12: 17 New
      +1
      it is a pity that the ancestors of the French expert were not shot by the Germans during 2MB ...

      And how do they shoot their own? Surely the ancestors of this expert served in the ranks of the Wehrmacht ...
    10. free_flier
      free_flier 18 January 2018 21: 28 New
      +1
      Now the Arabs will fix everything.
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 January 2018 08: 03 New
    +5
    This Frenchman, an analyst, should unscrew his Frenchmen. Imagine Europe now under the avalanche of even greater refugees. wassat Everything is going according to plan. Their plan. Well, and to us, though not refugees, we bring our own power. Probably not to lag behind Europe. repeat .
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 18 January 2018 08: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      To this Frenchman, an analyst, their Frenchmen should unscrew their heads.

      That's right. He forgot how our ships off the coast of Syria stood "human shield" from a p-Soviet missile strike from the sea? And Obama then "blown away." And then the hero was found - he had to bomb. And he did not figure out the consequences? Although, what is he? As the saying goes ... - do not toss the bags.
  3. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 18 January 2018 08: 04 New
    +9
    On an equal footing with the United States, the French bombed Libya, thereby ensuring a massive exodus of refugees through this neck to Europe. We covered up their affairs, that’s the whole strategy.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 18 January 2018 09: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: ul_vitalii
      On a par with the US, the French bombed Libya,

      Six, worthy of his master
  4. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 18 January 2018 08: 06 New
    +6
    It turns out Obama is to blame for ISIS! What a pearl!
    And he (Obama) did not allow French aviation to bomb Syria! Are they Libya was not enough?
    Semin wrote about a phase shift in the world population, but this Tertre is inadequate!
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 18 January 2018 08: 30 New
      +2
      Yes, he simply regrets that Assad was not overthrown by carpet bombing and could not participate in the division of his property, as it used to be in Libya. But the fact that in this case ISIS would have already owned the whole territory of Syria does not occur to him.
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 January 2018 08: 07 New
    +6
    "Civilized" are still such scum. Thank God that I am a savage.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 18 January 2018 08: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Captive
      Thank God that I am a savage.

      Forgot to add Asian hordes. Well, we will teach "civilized" life, which has already happened more than once. But something that is already starting to bother.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 18 January 2018 17: 08 New
        +1
        Why immediately the Asian horde? It's just that the Russian "savage" is a friend for friends, an enemy for enemies.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 18 January 2018 20: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: Captive
          for friends a friend, for enemies an enemy.

          A lot of wolves in sheep's clothing. Everyone is trying to impersonate a "friend."
      2. midivan
        midivan 18 January 2018 23: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Orionvit
        Forgot to add Asian hordes. Well, we will teach "civilized" life, which has already happened more than once. But something that is already starting to bother.

        Eeee nooo, to learn only the primer to stupid, and the memory of them is short. There is an option of course, but they may not quite like it.
  6. fridge
    fridge 18 January 2018 08: 08 New
    +3
    Western cynicism rolls over, maybe Hitler needed to turn the cities of France into Stalingrad and Leningrad ?! Hitler apparently gave a slack. Well, nothing, soon mosques in France will be the main temples for communication with the Almighty.
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 18 January 2018 08: 08 New
    +3
    The general people once again showed their satanic mug
  8. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 18 January 2018 08: 25 New
    +2
    These are, so to speak, “analysts” in Europe and the United States today are “in fashion”, and you could just as well say that JV Stalin “gave a slack” when he pulled allies out of his “ass”, at the cost of thousands of lives of our soldiers, after the "Ardennes collapse"! Let’s have it “thrashed” to itself a lot of more possessed Americans, British and other French people, but at the same time bombed France, maybe now “the air would be cleaner”! But we are not they, and we never "rubbed our hands" looking at other people's troubles, or maybe they did nothing in vain ?!
    1. midivan
      midivan 18 January 2018 23: 10 New
      +2
      Very vain! And they themselves proved it.
  9. pvv113
    pvv113 18 January 2018 08: 40 New
    +2
    French expert in geopolitics

    He is the same expert as Obama is pale-faced. He does not know that ISIS did not arise in 2013 as a “consequence of a sense of abandonment,” but was officially proclaimed in 2006, and actually appeared 7-8 years earlier.
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 18 January 2018 16: 34 New
      +1
      More precisely, the Franz-analyteg pretends that he does not know about the "fathers of the Islamic State." He understands everything perfectly. But he needs to fulfill the order, so he has to turn the logic inside out. According to the logic of Monsieur Tertre, the British in 1940 had to bomb the French in order to get even more exhausted and surrender Paris to the Germans a week earlier.
  10. zyzx
    zyzx 18 January 2018 08: 44 New
    +1
    What does Obama have not decided? I don’t remember the President of France by the name of Obama. Or did the expert admit that France is a vassal?
  11. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 18 January 2018 08: 54 New
    +2
    In the bomb bay of this expert without a parachute ... let him fly (s) laughing
    1. midivan
      midivan 18 January 2018 23: 13 New
      +2
      On a barrel of gunpowder! laughing
  12. Robin - Bobbin
    Robin - Bobbin 18 January 2018 08: 57 New
    +2
    The French were not bombed in World War II, now bad thoughts are appearing.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 January 2018 17: 58 New
      0
      Frogs, they are the Frogs. Greyhounds until they slam into a lobeshnik.
    2. Cetron
      Cetron 20 January 2018 00: 55 New
      0
      Bombed! Anglo-Saxons, supposedly to beat the Fritz, destroyed many temples and museums.
  13. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 18 January 2018 09: 08 New
    +7
    It’s interesting what would he sing if someone took and bombed, if not a whole, piece of France? Think of your frog brains ??? Imagine little Frenchmen left without mothers and fathers, heartbroken fathers and mothers whose children are buried under the rubble after the bombing, hunger and poverty. this is what kind of moral monster you have to be in order to say what you had to bomb ???? A well-fed rotten Europe. not even well-fed, snickering, convinced of its exclusivity, mired in sodom mud. Yes, this expert, yes, even for a couple of hours and under real shelling. I think he will cease to issue conclusions.
  14. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 18 January 2018 09: 22 New
    +1
    This is indicative of all, including the Russian liberals, that Western democracy is indifferent to him, and how many people would die under these bombings. The paddlers at you are already shooting there, look from your thoughts like the Eiffel Tower or the Paris Cathedral. some kind of "comrade" in black is not demolished. Sit calmly in your swamp.
  15. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 18 January 2018 09: 36 New
    +2
    Such analysts-maniacs, lovers of human blood, hiding behind words of love for democracy, receive money from those who seek to push the current president of the SGA to a direct war with the SAR. They hate the development of other countries, which is why they are primarily bombed in order to eliminate growing competitors in other parts of the world. Business and nothing personal is the bloodthirsty slogan of capitalism (supposedly liberal), which our financiers and economists pray for from our capitalists. Our government is the government of the comprador bourgeoisie, which seized power in Russia through a coup. Hence all the mistakes made in foreign policy and the later reaction to the "post factum" EVENTS, and not their preemptive action.
  16. Govorun
    Govorun 18 January 2018 09: 43 New
    0
    Syria had to be bombed back in 2013 year: French analyst indignant
    I myself think that it was not necessary for the Russian Empire to leave France, and the Soviet Union from Germany ..... otherwise talkative analysts were painfully divorced in Europe ...
  17. Lexus
    Lexus 18 January 2018 09: 48 New
    +2
    Syria, at one time, was a French zone of influence (vassal territory). Then they were "asked" from there. Still not calm down, mad frogs.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 19 January 2018 00: 34 New
      0
      Quote: lexus
      Syria, at one time, was a French zone of influence (vassal territory). Then they were "asked" from there.

      Nobody “asked” for a mandate for Syrian territory (including cut at the expense of the territories of neighboring countries), the League of Nation gave the French for a certain time, as well as the British over Palestine ...
  18. astepanov
    astepanov 18 January 2018 15: 46 New
    +1
    All this gives grounds for the phrase "our Western partners" to be forever gone from the dictionary of our diplomacy.
  19. NF68
    NF68 18 January 2018 15: 59 New
    +1
    Another pug from big fans of frogs. After that, France took part in the destruction of Libya as a state, refugees from Libya and other states located in Africa poured into France and after some time the leadership of many EU countries, including France, began quietly negotiating with a number of countries located in North Africa with the aim of reduction in the number of refugees in the EU and began to allocate money to these countries. It is strange that this politician still did not understand all this.
  20. Anyone
    Anyone 18 January 2018 21: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: faiver
    it is a pity that the ancestors of the French expert were not shot by the Germans during 2MB ...

    Everything is easier. Firstly, a note is a translation of some garbage without indicating the source and / or direct speech. Who this pile of crap has translated and translated (to weaponews) is unclear. But in the English version there are not even capital letters in the text, which somehow hints at the "seriousness" of the resource. Secondly, Bruno Tertre (and not Bruno!) Is a historian and philosopher, and one of the authors of the concept of border conflicts in the perspective of a clash of civilizations. From his work and interview you can pull this! At 100500 "shocking notes" on IN))
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 19 January 2018 00: 31 New
      0
      Anyone From his work and interview you can pull this! On 100500 "shocking notes" on IN))

      Do not deign to re-post here a couple of his works, the weekend will be fun on the VO site ....
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 19 January 2018 00: 58 New
        0
        Not willingly. Such material would be a "non-format" for the main reference group of the VO site))
        But so that you do not have a boring weekend, and if you read in English, then use the search: Samuel Huntington / Bruno Tertre / "Clash of Civilizations" / "Rematch of History" ("Clash ..." may be in Russian).
        P.S. Seriously, I don’t understand: a) the type of authors who in their notes cannot even provide a primitive link and proof; b) limited characters who "did not read, but condemn."
  21. antiamerikan
    antiamerikan 18 January 2018 22: 25 New
    0
    just as western pigs were colonialist imperialists - so they remained

    I hope their all sorts of migrants already on their streets will be completely nightmare
  22. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 19 January 2018 00: 29 New
    0
    French expert in geopolitics, deputy director of the Strategic Research Fund, Bruno Tertrais, believes that President Barack Obama’s refusal to bomb Syria after the chemical attack is regrettable.

    It is regrettable that the SAR abandoned its chemical weapons, otherwise the Americans and their minions - Israeli Jews would not have arranged air raids on the peaceful cities of the SAR ...
  23. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 January 2018 05: 41 New
    0
    Syria had to be bombed back in 2013 year: French analyst indignant

    Not ..... Obama was mistaken that he did not bomb France in 2011, the resort of ISIS. You look, Libya would not be in ruins. repeat
  24. 1536
    1536 20 January 2018 01: 10 New
    0
    Bloodthirsty cattle, not people! This expert did not think that in the same way they could bomb Paris, his house, where his family lives? Although it is unlikely that he will understand anything even then. Indulgence sits in the minds of Western Europeans at the genetic level. Kill, rob, rape, destroy, and then get a piece of paper from your priest and go yourself in peace. Cattle, one word. Most importantly, most of these Europeans are hungry, worthless bloodthirsty people who dream of new crusades to eat from the belly, steal, have sex, and kill. And there is nothing to discuss here. They are not people.
  25. NordUral
    NordUral 20 January 2018 15: 00 New
    0
    My friend, how do you react to someone’s desire to bomb Paris? After all, maybe someone can jump into the bad head behind the English Channel, or beyond the Atlantic.