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How captain Zolotarev was kicked out of the army for turning to Putin

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The online community was agitated by the video of captain Alexei Zolotaryov, in which he duplicated his appeal to Putin. And he added to the video a recording of a telephone conversation with Major Andrei Elizarov, in which the latter threatened both Zolotarev himself and his wife and children with reprisals.


You can watch the video on Youtube channel: Captain of the Russian Army promises to burn his young children alive for fighting corruption

Let's say right away: the video had a much greater effect than an appeal to the president. At least in Moscow began some stirring on this issue.

We also decided to ask questions. And to both sides, although, of course, the captain’s movie, though hooked, left behind a few questions.

And we began to study the subject with a conversation with the author, Alexei Zolotarev.

For a start, let's say a few words about your own opinion. Believe it or not, Captain Zolotarev did not seem to us to be some kind of scandalous brawler who wants to discredit everyone around him or offended by the fact that he wasn’t shared with him in some kind of corruption scheme.

On the contrary.

In the unit where Zolotarev served until recently, and this is now a motorized rifle division stationed in the town of Valuyki, in the Belgorod region, events occurred that did not please the captain. This happens.

Zolotarev tried to solve this within the framework of the usual subordination and his own understanding of the situation, but he ran into a misunderstanding on the part of his superiors. Everything arranged everything. And then Alex decided to turn to his highest authorities. That is, to the supreme commander.

It was probably a strategic mistake.

At least, as the answer the usual formulation from АP has come. Like thousands of such bearers. In parallel, the same letters went to the Prosecutor General's Office, the FSB, the Investigation Committee.

There was no reaction, the truth seeker began to look askance. Well, as usually look at those who need more than others.

When it came time to transfer Zolotarev to another position and to another place, probably, everyone sighed with relief. Zolotarev was waiting for a new appointment, and everything seemed to be all arranged.

But in the end, a completely different spectacle began, the purpose of which was to remove Captain Zolotaryov from the army.

For this came a whole commission from the county. Zolotarev testified to this commission. After that, the uniform began persecution.

Natalya Ivanovna, a psychologist from the ZVO Yarutina, conducted a conversation with Zolotarev, in which she recommended apologizing to the command and admitting that she was wrong. Zolotarev refused to do this, considering himself completely right. Yarutina offered to look for a good lawyer.

And in May last year, a criminal case was opened. Zolotarev was accused of the fact that for 6 months he was absent and did not go to work.

A small lyrical digression.

Most notably, already working on the material, I tried to get some comments from knowledgeable people from the district. I was surprised that people really believe that Zolotarev was really hanging around somewhere for half a year, either in the spree or in a drinking bout. I was told about this with a fair amount of confidence.

I then automatically have a question about the competence of the commanders of Zolotarev. This is some kind of nonsense: a person has been reeling somewhere for half a year, everyone doesn’t care about it, and only when the captain, having drawn himself through 6 months, writes a report to another position with an unsteady hand, it suddenly reaches everyone: disorder. And the body movements began.

As it becomes clear, this business will bring many more surprises ... But back in Valuyki.

And in Valuyki, meanwhile, feverish sweeping of tracks followed. The people involved in the reports of Zolotarev were urgently translated, dismissed, and so on.

In the end, it all came down to the confrontation of Captain Zolotarev and Major Elizarov, the head of one of the divisional services. The major, without further ado, began to threaten the captain. And Zolotarev recorded threats to his address.

While they were going, Zolotarev managed to challenge his dismissal and achieve reinstatement in the army.

But nothing, he quickly brought the second case.

By the way, about the cleanliness of those who started all this, says the mysterious disappearance of Zolotarev's personal card. With a bunch of thanks (including for participation in the program to eliminate chemical weapons), with awards and incentives. Instead, another one appeared, where, in haste, 4 was reprimanding and a warning about incomplete official conformity.

We will be happy to talk about all illegal actions in criminal cases a little later when the office work on the second case, separated from the first one already won by Zolotarev in the Kursk District Military Court, ends.

A. Zolotarev: “The investigation was very clumsy. The evidence of my guilt is mainly based on the testimony of witnesses. Captain Kashkarov was engaged in witnesses, who by hook or by crook "convinced" many. The prosecutor's office signed the case, without going into details, and then, fearing that the court would be the same, I again turned to the AP. ”

“I tried to talk to investigator Kashkarov, told him that I would complain that he was bullying the witnesses. “At least go straight to Putin,” was the answer. ”

In general, the история surprised by the number of forged documents and distorted testimony of witnesses.

Nevertheless, Captain Zolotarev does not consider himself to be a liar and an inventor and is ready to go all the way in this matter. In spite of the fact that in his attitude fair capacities of lies and accusations shine.

But since Major Elizarov, who, according to Zolotarev, covered and continues to cover everything that the captain wrote about the supreme, continues to serve in the same position, Alexey is sure that much is still to come.

Captain Zolotarev is considered by many to be a rat and a scammer. Meanwhile, all the facts and evidence cited by the captain, oddly enough, have not gone beyond the army.

Zolotarev is convinced that the problems he raised should be solved only within the army. And by no means can they become the property of the “broad masses”. Here it is not about one-day attention to his person, but about the security of the country.

We fully support Alexei in this matter. Therefore, we are focusing attention on the consequences, not on the causes. We believe that the reasons that prompted the captain to write letters to all instances should be solved like this. Inside and without much publicity.

That is what will be done for the benefit of our armed forces. The rest can still be just discredit, nothing more.

Moreover, we will continue to follow the situation, moreover, when, in accordance with the decision of the court, Aleksey Zolotarev returns to his post in the city of Valuyki, we plan to meet him in person and talk again. We hope this will not cause problems.

Moreover, we will try to get at least some comments from representatives of the Western Military District. Although we have already been warned that this will be very difficult. And permission will have to be received at the very top. But we will try.

So the continuation of this strange at first glance and quite wild history will certainly be.

For now, we wish Alexey Zolotarev peace and endurance. We hope that we will be able to hear the other side too, but for the time being it seems to us that the business that Captain Zolotarev has started cannot be called dishonest. The captain acted solely for the benefit, in accordance with the education and understanding of honor.

At least, this is indicated by many of the facts cited by Zolotarev.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 18 January 2018 06: 17
    68
    hold on Captain! soldier I am sure that if you are right, then you will be acquitted. hi rats are those who turn the circuit, and our money is rubbing. am
    1. Wayfarer
      Wayfarer 18 January 2018 08: 15
      23
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      I am sure that if you are right, then you will be acquitted.
      Holy naivety. What is old, what is small ...
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 18 January 2018 20: 05
        11
        Such naive confidence betrays a person who has not yet encountered practical jurisprudence.
        1. Varna
          Varna 18 January 2018 21: 57
          26
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Such naive confidence betrays a person who has not yet encountered practical jurisprudence.

          You are mistaken - the stubborn and not cowardly head - everything will break through.

          According to the personal order of the Minister of Health, the head physician of the hospital was fired. Base? - Yes, very simple - personal ministerial hostility.
          Dismissed as expected - with the commission, with the administration, so as not to get up.
          However, the man was not cowardly, was not afraid to seem naive - and filed a lawsuit.
          And he won everything - removal of reprimands, reinstatement, compensation. The judge simply had no choice - the ministerial servants blinded the case very rudely and whip up - obviously they and the minister were so used to cowardice that they did not doubt - the dismissed head doctor would not even speak. Wrong. Nonetheless, some people appear.
          So, fortunately, not all are as unbelievers as you. Understand that the system worked for so long without opposition, is so spilled that any lawyer from their clerks and pointers leaves one memory.
          Of course, the head physician did not try his luck again. The day after the reinstatement, he resigned of his own free will. He left for Moscow, got a job in an excellent clinic (he is a good obstetrician-gynecologist), bought an apartment there already - I know this all from third parties. Yes - he left, but still - he put the master - minister in his place, left cleanly - without articles and dirty entries in the labor.
          I am not familiar with him, but I think, probably, he now lives in harmony with his conscience - he did not allow himself to be trampled into the mud.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 19 January 2018 00: 22
            +9
            I know a similar case, and the colonel himself tightened his tie to asphyxiation. I had to quit, but I won. Zadolbali!
          2. Sirocco
            Sirocco 19 January 2018 11: 18
            +6
            Quote: Varna
            You are mistaken - the stubborn and not cowardly head - everything will break through.

            But will not work in the same place. One of the reasons for this outrage in the country is mutual responsibility, nepotism. A good example, in one of the districts, they chose the head of the district, they chose it by a decree from above, that is, a decree from Khural, naturally, a new head is gaining a team, and so in the village of this region, they selected the head of the village with the help of an administrative resource, he is an entrepreneur, plus Sineva indulging, his wife holds him)))), the business transferred to relatives, but his car sticks out at the office every day)))) a person who is not an authority in the village, but how was he chosen? That’s the question, well, these are still flowers, he appointed a deputy of his beloved in terms of households, a semi-criminal person who started business, but he got out, the last brawl, he chopped the door to the neighbors with an ax drunk. These are the drivers with our hands, EVERYWHERE.
            PS
            The trouble, or the joy, is that in the event of a war, all this "Dirty foam" that has surfaced will run into the bushes, complain about health, that they will not fight with the "civilian" population (as in the Caucasus in the 90s) . Like Kolya from Urengoy. In general, they can steal, knock, ass lick. it's welcome, but people like Zolotarev, and others like him, who are spread rot in many parts, will defend their homeland, and this problem is not only in Valuyki, throughout Russia. More than once faced with similar cases. Smoothly on paper and on TV, they forgot about the ravines.))))) Why did they retreat during the Second World War, there were no fathers of the commanders who were shot, according to denunciations, like Zolotarev’s militants.
          3. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 19 January 2018 21: 39
            +5
            Quote: Varna
            You are mistaken - the stubborn and not cowardly head - everything will break through.

            You understand that in your own words you confirm the absence real justice systems. In order to achieve justice, a special head is needed, which the majority of the population does not have! Is this normal, in your opinion?
            1. Abel
              Abel 19 January 2018 22: 39
              +2
              This is not normal, but it is a reality. and the sooner you understand it, the better
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty 20 January 2018 17: 58
                0
                Quote: Abel
                This is not normal, but it is a reality.

                Therefore, I wrote that:
                Such naive confidence betrays a person who has not yet encountered practical jurisprudence.
            2. Varna
              Varna 20 January 2018 00: 49
              +5
              Quote: Hlavaty
              Quote: Varna
              You are mistaken - the stubborn and not cowardly head - everything will break through.

              You understand that in your own words you confirm the absence real justice systems. In order to achieve justice, a special head is needed, which the majority of the population does not have! Is this normal, in your opinion?


              You said so loudly about this that you get the feeling that only we and only now have no real justice system. No, this is what people do everywhere, it’s not only the manners style of dealing with people.
              Just offhand, from memory - in the United States there was (and is, he is still alive) a well-known human rights activist, lawyer Ralph Nader. General Motors itself (no, not a car - but a corporation - a monster, was much more monstrous than the entire General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces). A provincial young lawyer dared to criticize unsafe (technically) GM cars.
              Due to the lack of reaction from government officials. persons, he wrote a book about this.
              GM Corporation did everything to destroy the lawyer: they substituted him with the help of hired detectives, journalists and prostitutes.
              Nothing came of it. Nader sued General Motors for the persecution and slander of half a million dollars and forced not only her, but other corporations manufacturing cars in the United States to take measures that made cars safer.
              But I also remembered: the scoundrel Zvyagintsev, who took off the film as a local grew. the official takes the land from a simple guy - in fact, he turned over the story that happened in the USA with the owner of a small car repair shop, who had the misfortune of being a neighbor of a large factory, who wished to buy his land for a couple of cents. The car mechanic naturally refused and the vengeful owners simply blocked his workshop in the literal sense - they blocked him the only way to his workshop. The car mechanic then rebelled, like Rambo, and overwhelmed the half-factory and at the same time the half of his native city and was then killed, but that is not the point. Zvyagintsev does not hide the fact that he transferred this story to Russian reality, and not vice versa.
              So there is enough shit all over the world, the main thing is to fight this and not to engage in self-abasement - all people are the same, we are no better, but no worse than everyone else.
          4. Reklastik
            Reklastik 20 January 2018 12: 22
            +1
            The doctor, of course, well done. But it does provoke indignation at the minister’s actions - didn’t he have anything for sewn with white thread? Why is this happening - it seems that in the country the president is a decent person, and the officials are asking for bullets?
            1. Varna
              Varna 20 January 2018 21: 23
              +1
              Yes, nothing to the minister. True, he has not been a minister for a long time, but now he feels rather well - his own pharmacies, a huge house in the city center, his own business. That is life .
              Such officials are easier to manage, they are subservient, but at the same time they require subservience about others. These are the costs of the system. There will be another - there will also be their costs.
              Therefore, there is no sense in revolutionism, but it is worth and it is necessary to change it in parts.
              But there are courts, prosecutors, investigators - why not use them? Laziness? Are you afraid What? What? There is no gulag, they will not send me to Siberia, they promise to kill only by telephone - it is clear that they only grind with language.
              1. onix757
                onix757 20 January 2018 21: 36
                +3
                Quote: Varna
                But there are courts, prosecutors, investigators - why not use them? Laziness? Are you afraid What? What? There is no gulag, they will not send to Siberia, they promise to kill only by telephone

                All the structures you have listed are the repressive apparatus of those elites whose interests they serve. Even the thesis was voiced that justice cannot be cheap. The analogy with Polonsky and his phrase about a billion suggests itself, only in this case does the people go to the designated place.
                Now more than ever, a lot of people are sitting on trumped-up matters, and human life for the state is so ... minute nuisance.
              2. seos
                seos 22 January 2018 21: 45
                +2
                In our country, they kill for much less .... they can, and according to the law, kill, with the hands of the law enforcement system ....
        2. Abel
          Abel 19 January 2018 22: 33
          +4
          I agree. Such naive confidence also testifies to faith in the State.
          1. Metallurg_2
            Metallurg_2 20 January 2018 13: 41
            +3
            How do you petition king?

            The whole problem of the captain is that he didn’t file the petition ...
            1. seos
              seos 22 January 2018 21: 49
              +1
              There is no way to file it and nowhere ... In the USSR, anyone could complain and the matter was immediately decided, there are many examples ... And now there is simply no one to complain ..

              There is plenipotentiaries of the president - their work is simply unique !!!! They redirect complaints, to those persons whom citizens complained about and who have to write an answer on behalf of the plenipotentiary and reproach themselves .... Naturally, this method of nichrome does not work, but the population reassures ....
      2. Seal
        Seal 25 January 2018 18: 22
        0
        № 264

        ORDER OF THE DEPUTY DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF DEFENSE

        ABOUT CANCELING ORDER No. 0298; RESTORATION IN THE POSITION AND TITLE OF Lt. Col. LENIVTSEV I. AND PUNISHMENT OF COLONELS I. ELOVATSKY AND A. PURTSMAN

        No. 0360 November 5, 1944

        By my order No. 0298 of August 30, 1944, the deputy commander of the 130th mortar regiment of the 2nd mortar brigade of the 6th artillery division of the RGK breakthrough, Lieutenant Colonel Lenivtsev Vasily Ivanovich was reduced to the rank of "major" and was appointed to the position of demotion. In the order, Lieutenant Colonel Lenivtsev was charged with defamation of the brigade commander, Colonel Elovatsky.

        The material for the order was the report of the commander of the 6th artillery division, major general of artillery comrade Bityutsky A. S. and the report of Colonel Purtsman A. A., who investigated on the spot the facts set forth in the letter of Lieutenant Colonel Lenivtsev. In these materials lieutenant colonel Lenivtsev

        * See doc. Number 250. 328

        He was described as a slanderer, a careerist, a morally corrupt officer, and all facts related to the activities of Yelovatsky were completely denied.

        The commission sent to the brigade found that the facts set forth in the letter of Lieutenant Colonel Lenivtsev regarding the situation in the 2nd mortar brigade and the activities of the brigade commander Colonel Elovatsky were mostly confirmed.

        The commission found that Colonel Purtsman, who was sent to the brigade to investigate all the facts, criminally reacted to the fulfillment of the task received, drank heavily in the division and presented false material.

        Division commander Major General Artillery Comrade Bityutsky also covered all the outrages that were happening in the brigade and division, and with his report misled the military council of artillery of the Red Army.

        I order:

        1. To cancel the order No. 0298 of August 30, 1944, to restore Lieutenant Colonel Lenivtsev Vasily Ivanovich in the post and the rank of “lieutenant colonel”.

        2. The commander of the 2nd mortar brigade, Colonel I. Elovatsky, for a series of antimoral acts and failure to take proper measures to restore order in the brigade, reprimand and warn that in the event of the recurrence of such misconduct, the question of stricter punishment will be raised.

        3. Colonel Purtsman A. A. for the criminal attitude to the fulfillment of the assignment and the submission of a false report from office to dismiss and appoint with a reduction, warning of incomplete official compliance.

        4. The commander of the Red Army artillery report on the guilt of the major artillery major, A. Bityutsky, to report separately.

        Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR Marshal of the Soviet Union A. VASILEVSKIY
      3. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 April 5 2018 13: 14
        -1
        One business reformer Serdyukov was replaced by another henchman, from stools to firefighters, and the army is being destroyed more ...
    2. Finches
      Finches 18 January 2018 09: 11
      18
      If, honestly, I didn’t understand nichrome - what the captain did not like ... and where he saw the injustice! laughing It will be necessary to ask colleagues in the workshop about this fighter with embezzlement!
      1. midivan
        midivan 18 January 2018 11: 52
        33
        Quote: Finches
        If, honestly, I didn’t understand nichrome

        You didn’t understand one thing, but insulting a person because of your incomprehensibility does not honor you! Yes, and I would look at you, in the place of the captain, when they threaten your children, you would probably laughing
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 January 2018 11: 56
          15
          And how, let me ask you, I offended him? The Bortsun? So this is not an insult .... As a staff officer, over 25 years of service, I really do not trust those comrades who are throwing out their problems to the public from our army ... In this case, I will not comment on anything, because I just don’t know what’s the matter here, but I immediately had a bad feeling for this officer ... All the same, 25 years of service give me some official and life experience! hi
          1. midivan
            midivan 18 January 2018 12: 28
            28
            Quote: Finches
            And how, let me ask you, I offended him? The Bortsun?

            Yes. In such a context with the article, I consider this an insult, I served an emergency service for only 1.5 years and everything boiled up when I heard a threat from children from a “officer”.
            Quote: Finches
            All the same, 25 years of service provide some official and life experience!

            But my experience suggests that no one will turn to the president because of nonsense, well, if a person is mentally ill only. request hi
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 12: 32
              +5
              According to the Charter, an acting officer can appeal to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief only on command ... I do not condone, the major who threatens the family and children is a fool. Unfortunately, there is enough everywhere!
              1. midivan
                midivan 18 January 2018 12: 41
                16
                Quote: Finches
                According to the Charter, the acting officer can appeal to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief only by command.

                But what if there is no one to wait for the order, because everyone is tied up there and everyone is happy with everything?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 January 2018 12: 44
                  11
                  Below I have already written! The army has enough bodies to monitor the rule of law — military counterintelligence, the military prosecutor’s office ... everything can be, including the stupidity of commanders and total theft, but in d, Artanyanov on a white horse, I personally do not believe much! More often than not, in d, Artanyanov begin to turn when the snout itself is in fluff ...
                  1. midivan
                    midivan 18 January 2018 12: 48
                    +9
                    Quote: Finches
                    but in q, Artanyanov on a white horse, I personally, have little faith!

                    Do you believe Roman Skomorokhov? For some reason I trust. I can’t explain why request
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 18 January 2018 12: 49
                      +7
                      No affair here! Yes, and the article is crude - the essence of the question is not clear!
                      1. midivan
                        midivan 18 January 2018 12: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: Finches
                        No affair here!

                        How to say. Okay. let it be as it is, wait and see. hi
                      2. just exp
                        just exp 18 January 2018 15: 36
                        +7
                        read the headline, was for the captain, read the article, of which doubts crept in.
                        IMHO style of the article did much more harm to whitewash the captain.
                        and one gets the impression that there was a squabble among the military in the sphere of money tying, and one was not just cheated, but as if pressed in something, and from hopelessness he began to sort of "fight theft."
                        I also do not believe that people, especially in positions, have seen everything for years and then again, they sharply become saints.
                  2. Lexa-149
                    Lexa-149 18 January 2018 14: 28
                    +5
                    They watch only where and when they smell material profit or arrange "demonstrative flogging". Well, on the command “Fas!”, Of course.
                    These guys will not bother you.
                  3. mervino2007
                    mervino2007 18 January 2018 20: 49
                    0
                    Just about, think in your own image?
                  4. Abel
                    Abel 19 January 2018 22: 44
                    +1
                    Something about military counterintelligence and the military prosecutor’s office AFTER PE
              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 18 January 2018 17: 27
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                According to the Charter, the acting officer can apply to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief only by command.

                But how can a citizen?
                The whole question is crime.
                If they are available, and it may very well be enough, “look around you,” or they can “send a written proposal to eliminate these shortcomings or a statement to the senior boss up to and including the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation.”
                So says the charter. yes
              3. Soho
                Soho 19 January 2018 05: 53
                +2
                Zyablitsov Yesterday, 12: 32
                I do not condone, the major who threatens the family and children is a fool. Unfortunately, everywhere is enough!

                in terms of law, the major is not dur @ k, but a criminal. Of course, if this act is proved.
          2. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 18 January 2018 12: 32
            22
            I have no less service, I believe that the captain was simply persecuted for some personal reasons, and when he snapped, the principle of "always right .." went into action, and the honor of the uniform was protected not by hiding the criminals, but by getting rid of them.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 12: 41
              +1
              Without knowing the essence of the problem I will not judge - and in general, I did not understand the meaning of the article! In the army there are enough bodies that make sure that they are not impudent and believe me, the same special officers do not eat their bread in vain!
              1. Ivan58
                Ivan58 19 January 2018 22: 42
                +2
                Something I have doubts that you are from the political positions .. I’ve 15 years since quitting, but the situation in the article is painfully familiar. The commander of the unit is god, what I want is tossing and turning. And the regulatory authorities get to the personnel extremely rarely and reluctantly.
          3. cariperpaint
            cariperpaint 18 January 2018 12: 34
            +5
            I will say even more, I came across such fighters. also recorded video, etc. the truth before that they managed to get under criminal cases for all kinds of embezzlement but they were modestly silent about it)
          4. Whitesnow
            Whitesnow 18 January 2018 16: 13
            +7
            So 25 years of service or 25 years of service? Something pulled officer daughters from the Crimea.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 18: 29
              0
              Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs! laughing
              1. Whitesnow
                Whitesnow 19 January 2018 16: 01
                +1
                I, as a staff officer, for 25 years of service
                All the same, 25 years of service
                So who is confusing what?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 19 January 2018 23: 11
                  0
                  Year to year - if it will be more understandable to you! Without benefits!
          5. gladcu2
            gladcu2 18 January 2018 16: 55
            +4
            Zyablintsev
            It's hard to argue with you; you have experience of survival in the team.

            But in the case, Zyablintsev’s motivation is no longer important. Although the act is quite fair, it may not be timely. To live with wolves, howl like a wolf.

            In fact, pressure methods are already causing outrage. Obviously, high authorities are already involved.

            This is already good from the kitty to the Shoigu sandbox.
          6. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 18 January 2018 18: 24
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            And how, let me ask you, I offended him? The Bortsun? So this is not an insult .... As a staff officer, over 25 years of service, I really do not trust those comrades who are throwing out their problems to the public from our army ... In this case, I will not comment on anything, because I just don’t know what’s the matter here, but I immediately had a bad feeling for this officer ... All the same, 25 years of service give me some official and life experience! hi

            Zyablitsov, I have long wanted to ask you: but your administrative resource is enough to send Sechin’s son and others to the army if what? Or you, as that general only from the people, can according to the principle: women give birth to Yeshsho? wink This is me to our dispute. And about your feelings, I can say that you are a bright representative of closed groups, hence your attitude.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 18: 30
              +5
              Sechin’s son is sent to the army, if suitable, military commissariats! Yes! I am a representative of a closed group - and proud of it! You can also become a member of this group - come to the recruiting office of the military registration and enlistment office and sign up for the contract! Op-la and you are our man! laughing
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 19 January 2018 08: 59
                +4
                We’ll write it down, the resource is only enough for an appeal from the people wink We then understand that it was not for this that he grew up to go to the draft board if anything. Closed customized communities always end badly if they don’t try to take out the trash to the people, the whole story has proved it. Remember the orders in the church and other examples. However, it’s not for me to write about this.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 19 January 2018 09: 56
                  0
                  Now all children, even high-ranking officials, if they plan to realize themselves later on in the civil service, should have either military service or military training - so you are not quite right! And believe me - they serve or study. Yes, somewhere closer to home or at headquarters, but they serve! wink
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 19 January 2018 17: 11
                    +2
                    Allow me to doubt, dear Zyablitsov, you still wishful thinking. Learn yes, serve, no. And why the hell do they need a civil service, if there is a dad who will attach. wink
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 19 January 2018 23: 13
                      0
                      Serve! I give the officer’s word! Personally, had the honor to face! Not at the Sechen level, but at the deputies of the Duma and our Legislative Assembly!
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 20 January 2018 09: 42
                        +1
                        That's right, almost local level! By the way, do not tell me at least 5 deputies of the Duma of the Russian Federation whose children serve me for general development? You can also add Shamanov here, by me, a deeply respected officer, like Kvachkov. And tell Zyablitsov, why was Sechin’s son given the order of merit for his fatherland at the age of 26? It's just that there is almost no information in nete, only insider information, and you yourself know to believe it is not comme il faut.
              2. free
                free 19 January 2018 10: 49
                +4
                Quote: Finches
                Sechin’s son is sent to the army, if suitable, military commissariats! Yes! I am a representative of a closed group - and proud of it! You can also become a member of this group - come to the recruiting office of the military registration and enlistment office and sign up for the contract! Op-la and you are our man! laughing

                I am also a representative of a closed group, and I will say from my own experience that just because of this closeness, you can create anything in these same groups. The case of Vasily is an example to you.
                1. Abel
                  Abel 19 January 2018 22: 55
                  +1
                  For reference to a "representative of a closed group." In 1986, the military enlistment office urgently remembered me. I have seen enough of all kinds of officers. if in St. Petersburg among the liquidators you say a bad word about Lieutenant Colonel Stepanov, there’s a great chance that your face will be filled. But there were many officers who were called a rubber product. And in 1986 they fled from Chernobyl, like hell from incense. But, taking advantage of the "secrecy of the group," they made identities with terrible force. I had to take it through the court. And through the court "take action", up to landing. So you need to be proud, but also think, first of all
                  1. Finches
                    Finches 19 January 2018 23: 14
                    0
                    Thinking is always out of place! laughing
          7. Aleks2048
            Aleks2048 18 January 2018 19: 14
            +7
            I, too, am not aware of what the captain wants there ... but I remember the Major of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Dymovsky about whom the same "officer" later said that Dymovsky had problems in him ... but in fact Dymovsky just raised systemic problems at that time Ministry of Internal Affairs. Maybe the captain is not right, but then a number of questions arise for his comrades, and even worse for his leadership, how they didn’t notice how it turned out to be rare and extremely not good, before the captain’s appeal, and if to speak trite with the person who cries the prison they had to share and valiantly transfer all the hardships and deprivations of military service (or didn’t they have to?) in the impeccable Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ... or maybe the captain’s colleagues did not notice, because they urgently need to be demolished as they do not correspond to their posts due to their disability my zga ..? or even worse, they didn’t just not notice the captain’s frankly criminal behavior, but ... I’m even afraid to assume ... deliberately covered him? It’s all from a great mind ... And you, 25 years of service, didn’t seem to benefit in any way, otherwise you and your Armed Forces would not disgrace yourself with arguments about trust ... After such statements, young people give you bad feelings about service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as a whole and to officers.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 20: 29
              +3
              I expressed my personal opinion based on my own experience! You are just saying cliches ... What have I dishonored myself and the Armed Forces with? It was your way to stand up for the captain - I will never stand up, I was not taught and raised that way! You don’t like it - it’s your right, but to unfoldly accuse me that I dishonored someone, I don’t think it’s correct or you have a right to it!
              And if you would be careful, I emphasized that I didn’t understand and do not know the real situation, therefore I can’t give an objective assessment of the captain’s deed, but I have encountered such things in the service many times, which is why there was a feeling of distrust towards this comrade! It turns out in a circle alone, but he is handsome - doesn’t it seem suspicious to you?
              1. Aleks2048
                Aleks2048 19 January 2018 15: 56
                +1
                And you were disgraced very simply (by the ostrich position, but now I’ll explain a little lower) you yourself started the comment by saying that you don’t know what the captain is like, but immediately declared that as a staff officer you do not trust the captain, but apparently for the sake of persuasion, they added that the captain was a fighter, which, in general, immediately reduced everything that the captain said to zero, even without further proceedings ... such as a fly annoying ... And then the classic move of the non-manager, which cannot, due to its limitations, find an adequate the answer to the problem posed sub nennym begin a lengthy discourse on who is this upstart who even think to sound problem ... arguments on the form in which voiced the problem, etc. chatter and the further it goes from the voiced problem the better. But like a captain officer? Or is it not so? The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation took exactly the same position, but this is simply out of stupidity and out of thought. It’s worth noting the position of the ostrich ... Yes, with that position they won’t really get in the face ... but the priest might suffer ... One figure would have learned from the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Russian Federation as well, one person complained to the president through YouTube (damn such converts probably think that Putin VV is some kind of video blogger and monitors YouTube all day :))
                1. Finches
                  Finches 19 January 2018 18: 11
                  0
                  I am happy for you! That you are extremely objective and independent in your judgments! And most importantly, they are extremely fair!
          8. Sirocco
            Sirocco 19 January 2018 11: 27
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            .I, as a career officer, for 25 years of service,

            Since you have such a wealth of experience. What do you say about such a concept as a commercial brigade commander? Have you come across a similar theme? 10-10, did you have to share with such a "father"? And the one who did not share, did not go up the career ladder, did not receive one, and was persecuted. (But he stubbornly remained silent, could not stand the dirty linen, and still in one rank))))) Here is one of two, you did not serve in the army? or you are the same father commander. request And this mess, as I said above, is not coming from the army, it is everywhere, do you think this is normal?
            1. Finches
              Finches 19 January 2018 18: 13
              +1
              Apparently, I was lucky more than you and I served in the Army, and you are somewhere in a commercial structure! hi
              1. Abel
                Abel 19 January 2018 22: 57
                +3
                Served, or served?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 19 January 2018 23: 15
                  0
                  I'm not to judge! hi
                2. Aleks2048
                  Aleks2048 20 January 2018 20: 57
                  +2
                  But this is probably too much! It was necessary to personally be present and aware, and not to ask ridiculous questions to a person. In the end, the man had been doing active military service for 25 years and apparently had retired and there was nothing wrong with that, and his immediate commanders were quite happy with how he had served in the RF Armed Forces.
            2. Varna
              Varna 20 January 2018 01: 05
              +2
              Quote: Sirocco
              Quote: Finches
              .I, as a career officer, for 25 years of service,

              Since you have such a wealth of experience. What do you say about such a concept as a commercial brigade commander? Have you come across a similar theme? 10-10, did you have to share with such a "father"? And the one who did not share, did not go up the career ladder, did not receive one, and was persecuted. (But he stubbornly remained silent, could not stand the dirty linen, and still in one rank))))) Here is one of two, you did not serve in the army? or you are the same father commander. request And this mess, as I said above, is not coming from the army, it is everywhere, do you think this is normal?


              I am a purely civilian, but I know what you are writing about.
              And I’ll say frankly - I still don’t understand - how it is possible to silently perennially pay 10-15% of my money allowance to a higher commander - while still serving, remaining in the army. It does not fit my head: one officer pays a quitrent; another collects it - how will they go into battle together after this? How do you officers bear it? What for ?
              1. alexsipin
                alexsipin 22 January 2018 15: 19
                0
                Quote: Varna
                I still don’t understand how it’s possible to silently pay for many years 10-15% of my superior allowance to a higher commander — while serving further, remaining in the army

                Is that really true?
              2. desertedmon
                desertedmon 29 January 2018 07: 36
                0
                The opportunity to get housing and some kind of pension for which you can live ... Therefore, many, with clenched teeth, endure to retirement and immediately leave as soon as the service allows ...
          9. Abel
            Abel 19 January 2018 22: 41
            +3
            That's it, 25 years of service. Not service, service. Feel the difference. Corporatism, mutual protection protect the army
            1. Finches
              Finches 19 January 2018 23: 21
              +3
              As you wish! But these are my 25 years of service and service! I served in military service, commanded a platoon, company, battalion ... however here I already talked a lot about this in VO and all this can be easily read! What are you trying to present to me now? I know all the problems of the army in relationships from the sperm - what difference should I feel?
              According to the captain - I said that I don’t know the essence of the problem, I can’t judge, but I don’t feel like it, his act! This is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone and do not teach anyone life! So I ask you to be a little correct in your judgments! hi
              1. Aleks2048
                Aleks2048 20 January 2018 21: 16
                +1
                Drive the bolt onto Abel. Personally, respect and respect. Work out in the Army for 25 years ... it deserves respect. And when you consider that in the Army, as in society, these 25 years fell on the nineties and the beginning of the two thousandths is generally super!
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 22 January 2018 09: 24
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                What are you trying to present to me now? I know all the problems of the army in relationships from the sperm - what difference should I feel?
                According to the captain - I said that I don’t know the essence of the problem, I can’t judge, but I don’t feel like it, his act! This is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone and do not teach anyone life! So I ask you to be a little correct in your judgments!


                The problems of the army "from sperm" are not the only one you know and 25 years of service, but more than one service you have, and so your merits do not make you the only untouchable authority on issues of the army servant.
                And the captain’s act is “not to your liking” due to the fact that you apparently served on the principle of “what you please” (this is also my personal opinion arising from life experience). Such employees are very convenient for the higher authorities, such a service fully complies with the charter, complies with the corporate principle of fulfilling and not reasoning, "they don’t look at the seniors, as they say." That's just if you look at the problem more broadly, from the ubiquitous "why please your nobility more harm than good." This was still permissible at a time when "once ... if with a bayonet .. two ... hit with a butt", but not now, when modern technology requires more thinking with your head than blindly obeying the orders of incompetent "fathers of commanders" seated in posts "according to length of service "and proximity to superiors, and not by the level of their competence.
                That's what I think.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 22 January 2018 14: 59
                  0
                  I respect your opinion! But, for me personally, such actions are similar .... As an example! Excuse me? Your wife is cheating on you with a neighbor. Not particularly shy. Naturally, you don’t really like it, you’re affected by male vanity, but you’re afraid of directly hitting a neighbor, so you post your problem on YouTube .... laughing
                  1. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 22 January 2018 20: 30
                    0
                    Quote: Finches
                    But, for me personally, such actions are similar .... As an example! Excuse me? Your wife is cheating on you with a neighbor. Not particularly shy. Naturally, you don’t really like it, you’re affected by male vanity, but you’re afraid of directly hitting a neighbor, so you post your problem on YouTube ....

                    A great example, but ..... I don’t understand you then ..... you said earlier that you do not know the background of the captain’s conflict and you need to check with "competent friends", but in any case the captain doesn’t take out the "garbage from the hut" approve of. Did I understand your message correctly?
                    I also do not know the background of the conflict, so I am not eager to talk about who is right and who is not so right. The captain of the authorities is afraid and therefore posted on YouTube and wrote to Putin or simply did not see another way.
                    I wrote about something completely different, about another problem of the army, about the backlog of the officer corps from the technical progress taking place in armament. Moreover, with the accelerated rearmament, this lag becomes catastrophic especially among senior officers trained in the 90s. (Naturally, this does not apply to everyone without exception). From here “caste”, “closeness”, “mutual responsibility”, and even the desire to “take it last” begin to flourish. Therefore, the fact that you are categorically against making "litter from the hut" has bothered me somewhat. Unfortunately, the problem of "lagging" cannot be solved within the system. No one will cut the branch on which he sits.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 22 January 2018 21: 00
                      0
                      The message was understood correctly! There is only one way out of any System - through fire ... Sorry for the philosophical retreat! About technical lag - this is the place to be! Here the problem is different, a sharp acceleration of scientific and technological progress and the lag in the material and technical base of educational institutions, which was also influenced by the rampant reforms in the field of education in general, and in military education in particular! Simply put, the rearmament began briskly, in order to report on disbursement of funds, the five-year plan for two years, and at schools and academies, whatever you might say, a minimum of 10 implementations must pass — you can’t reduce the semesters by several times! 5 years - whatever you say, you won’t reduce your studies ... But the scientific and technical progress has already gone ahead - a complex problem of our time!

                      Caste has always been - the shortcomings of the human breed! The elite club of generals has not been canceled! Miracles do not happen and never will be!
                      1. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 23 January 2018 08: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Finches
                        Here the problem is different, a sharp acceleration of scientific and technological progress and the lag in the material and technical base of educational institutions, which was also influenced by the rampant reforms in the field of education in general, and in military education in particular! Simply put, the rearmament began briskly, in order to report on disbursement of funds, the five-year plan for two years, and at schools and academies, whatever you might say, a minimum of 10 implementations must pass — you can’t reduce the semesters by several times! 5 years - whatever you say, you won’t reduce your studies

                        Sorry, but the NTP has been developing jerkily since the creation of the world. Starting with a stone ax instead of a digging stick, to the invention of gunpowder, rockets and computerization. It’s just that if a stone ax, unlike a stick, gave an increase in efficiency by 50 percent, then computerization and rocket science increase efficiency immediately by tens of times. And if earlier on the introduction and development of new items took generations, now only years. Your reasoning about schools and academies is both true and false at the same time. You yourself studied and remember perfectly well who teaches what and how there, how much time and what courses are allotted, what of what you were really taught in the service was useful. At best, 10% is really useful. The teachers themselves were lagging behind the generation, and having arrived at the unit, not only did the lieutenant “tremble” in front of the colonel, he also faced a “dinosaur caste” who had already “eaten a dog and a pound of salt,” reached their “long service” possible heights, everything goes on the thumb, length of service and stars are dripping according to the "schedule" .... why do they need extra haemorrhoids? So he becomes a novice either in the "general stall", or thereby "captain".
                        Having served and, as a matter of fact, already “having lived my life”, I personally came to the unambiguous conclusion .... The system has outlived itself and needs to be changed. Of course, my thoughts will seem too radical to you, but .... Ranks of "length of service" need to be canceled, titles only by position, introduce permanent, at least once every 5 years, retraining and not formal, but with expulsion "for poor progress", to the position to appoint according to the results of certification upon completion of retraining ...... there is still much that is "necessary", but this, personally, I think is urgently necessary. And again I repeat, there is no way to make radical transformations within the System, not a single System is capable of modernizing itself, only external influence changes the System.
            2. Aleks2048
              Aleks2048 20 January 2018 21: 13
              +1
              Quote: Abel
              That's it, 25 years of service. Not service, service. Feel the difference. Corporatism, mutual protection protect the army

              Do not quibble over words. I am sure Zyablintsev, using the word length of service, did not mean anything antisocial, he simply expressed himself by the term to which he was used. You should not build yourself a young lady who faints from the words of a soldier. By the way, corporatism in the army is needed, and even more so than on a citizen, theoretically it gives rise to a sense of coherence, brotherhood and a common cause on which the awareness of a sense of duty is based. But the line when it goes into mutual protection is very vague and here in many respects depends on personal moral qualities.
              By the way, civilian life is also subject to the same problems, just civilians’s attitude towards this is easier and they can spoil each other to a lesser extent. Agree, hiring is often carried out by acquaintance, business relations are often tied by acquaintance, and not through the free market, etc. Examples can be given a lot.
              And from here we come to another interesting problem. If protection is characteristic of civilian life, then why should the army be rid of it? If society is figuratively speaking sick then why should individual institutions of society be healthy?
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 18 January 2018 19: 23
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        If, honestly, I didn’t understand nichrome - what the captain did not like ... and where he saw the injustice! laughing It will be necessary to ask colleagues in the workshop about this fighter with embezzlement!

        Where he saw injustice no one should have understood, the article explains why - such issues should be resolved "internally and without publicity." This issue was not covered in the article. In order to believe a person, no reason is needed, but in order not to believe, reason is needed, but the article does not. A negative life experience can deform, of course, well then all blokes, definitely. But this rule does not work too often, my life as a staff officer is not less, I mean that in such a matter this is not essential. The army is a cast of the society in which we all live, and what is happening in society is also characteristic of the army.
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 18 January 2018 20: 28
        +2
        So essentially nothing is open. What is the original essence of the conflict, too. Only the final phase is shown - the dismissal of the "greyhound" captain on a formal occasion. Disturbances to peace are not needed by any commander; the result is clear. But that was at the beginning and basis - xs. It is unlikely that we are talking about some kind of open theft. Just because the major is too small a bipod to influence the military prosecutor’s office, which also needs to be chopped and demonstrated to fight corruption. If, if it was a theft, then on the contrary, the prosecutor’s office would have cut down a stick.
        As for the lack of part, too, nothing strange. At one time, a friend of mine appeared in a unit once every few months. He simply could not be fired without a housing certificate. He had been working as a civilian for a couple of years, but was listed in the unit and received a salary. According to the rules, he had to appear in the unit once a month, receive instructions from the commander and could continue to be absent. And if relations with the commander are good, then he might not have appeared. There are all sorts of options, including maybe there is such a prolonged dismissal, when a person is still registered, but in fact already in civilian life. request
      4. user
        user 19 January 2018 10: 59
        0
        We believe that the reasons that prompted the captain to write letters to all authorities should be decided this way. Inside and without too much publicity.
        That is what will be done to the benefit of our armed forces.


        And what is the use of this for the armed forces, even curious.
    3. Lexus
      Lexus 18 January 2018 11: 00
      24
      The man went against the system. Ordinary people have been taught for 30 years - "every man for himself!" And bastards always cover each other.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 18 January 2018 19: 37
        +1
        Quote: lexus
        ... Simple people have been taught for 30 years - "each for himself!" ...

        So, those who are not suggestible and do not want to believe that "ours will not come" have not yet been translated:
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        2. V. Salama
          V. Salama 20 January 2018 11: 18
          +1
          For so many years he lived with the feeling that ours would not come. Already it seemed he even reconciled, and then a video came across, listened to the song and it came to pass - but they did not go anywhere. Although many are no longer among us, they are gone forever. But the rest remained! So faith cannot be lost - we are all Russians of different nationalities, the time will come to begin to wake up, remember that for us Russia, and not just what it starts with ...
    4. midivan
      midivan 18 January 2018 11: 57
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      sure if you are right you will be justified

      Ehhh, for some reason every day I less and less believe
      [/ quote] MOSCOW, Jan 16 - RIA News. The head of the Moscow Helsinki Group (MHG), Lyudmila Alekseeva, said that ex-senator Igor Izmestiev, sentenced to life imprisonment, may be signed by the president at the end of January. Earlier, Alekseeva told RIA Novosti that the Moscow pardon commission gave a positive opinion on Izmestiev’s petition, however, the human rights activist expressed concern that he might not be included in the recommended list for pardon for 2017. In the summer, at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who arrived in person to greet Alekseev with an anniversary, the human rights activist asked the head of state to pardon Izmestyev.

      RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/incidents/20180116/1512691073.html
      In 2005, Ivanov, a detained member of the Kingisepp organized crime group, said that Izmestyev was the customer of a number of crimes. Later, the detained leader of the group, Finagin, told how in the mid-1990s the “Kingisepps” “crossed under Izmestyev.” In 2007, Izmestyev was detained by the FSB of the Russian Federation on the territory of Kyrgyzstan and taken to Moscow, where he was accused of organizing crimes committed in Bashkiria in the 1990s. He was accused of organizing the murder of notary Galina Perepelkina and Oleg Bulatov, an employee of the Ronex company. He was suspected of involvement in the activities of the Kingisepp organized crime group. In 2008, accusations of creating a gang and murders were supplemented by charges of attempted murder of the son of President of Bashkiria, director general of OJSC Bashneft Ural Rakhimov, and in December, a charge of tax evasion [2]. [Quote]
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 18 January 2018 13: 47
        +3
        from Helsinki it is better to see whom to pardon
      2. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 18 January 2018 17: 35
        +3
        On December 13, 2017, the Pardon Commission made a unanimous decision to refuse pardon to Igor Izmetyev.
    5. flicker
      flicker 20 January 2018 18: 17
      +3
      hold on Captain!

      The captain was utterly stupid, he announced the problem through youtube, and at the most inopportune moment, when this could not be done. After this statement, he turned himself from subject a little conflict into the gun much more conflict. Now they will be hollowed around the country, which he is going to honestly serve.
      Well, now how will he, an officer, react to such a turn?
      His only good solution is to ban various internet talkers speculate with his rank and surname and ram their country. And the conflict must be resolved within the military prosecutor's office.
    6. Seal
      Seal 22 January 2018 08: 58
      0
      Considering that even 10 years ago, when I faced with the placement of public procurement, I saw that where something is being bought by the Ministry of Emergencies, the price of suppliers increases by 30-40% for no reason, I won’t be surprised that another team replaced Vasilyeva’s team , which of course makes more sense in military affairs, but in terms of "tyrezh" - exactly the same. Well, maybe just a little less.
      1. flicker
        flicker 24 January 2018 09: 51
        +2
        Like there was a plot on TV, the postal machine lost a bag of money for pensioners, the bus driver found this bag and turned it over to the police.
        Well, everyone said that he was.
  2. Moore
    Moore 18 January 2018 06: 32
    36
    So the continuation of this strange at first glance and rather wild story will certainly

    Unfortunately, these wild stories have recently been twisted like a cornucopia.
    The army, alas, the trends of the present have not passed: here is the looting of budget funds, here is absolute legal defenselessness to the authorities, here is the desire of the military prosecutor’s office to raise the percentage of detected violations by any means.
    It is not surprising that from time to time there appear officers who were "tired". It’s "tired" to look at the monthly money bills, repair the barracks and military equipment at their own expense and other abuses. Naturally, once having risen up against this System, you become its enemy and you, not particularly disdain for money, this System will try to tear itself out of itself. Alas, negative selection in power structures is not a figure of speech, but a sad reality.
    And the captain - stamina and courage.
    By the way, about the cleanliness of those who started all this, says the mysterious disappearance of Zolotarev's personal card.

    Captain oversight - a copy of your official card must be made immediately after the conflict.
    This is some kind of nonsense: a person has been staggering somewhere for six months, nobody cares, and only when the captain, having painted with an unsteady hand after 6 months, writes a report for another position, it suddenly dawned on everyone: a mess.

    Another mistake - when there is a conflict, be prepared for any meanness on the part of the System. Be sure to leave your mark when appearing in the unit - at least make a mark in the IWT forms, at least get a notebook in the secret section.
    “I tried to talk with investigator Kashkarov, told him that I would complain that he intimidates witnesses. “At least go straight to Putin” - that was the answer. ”
    Yes, the prosecutor is absolutely right, alas. The AP will send a very polite answer that it is not in its competence. And witnesses will be intimidated not only by prosecutors, but also by bosses at their sincere request. Not everyone can stand it.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 18 January 2018 11: 19
      +4
      The problem of personnel.
      "Cadres - decide everything."
      Often, personnel issues before commanders assigned to personnel officers. And who was put forward there, who did not pull in combat. And in the Soviet army there was a "personnel network" from the top to the bottom.
      The captain went against the SYSTEM. Of course. Cool. But the skating rink will continue to go, but it's a pity ..
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 18 January 2018 11: 24
      +6
      Quote: Moore
      Captain oversight - a copy of your official card must be made immediately after the conflict.

      Copies of documents should not be done after, but before ... If you feel that the situation will escalate and a conflict arises, it is better to make copies of documents in advance, including service records. There is surely someone decent in the combat unit who will help. This is a free tip from experienced, tested on yourself.
      1. Moore
        Moore 18 January 2018 11: 42
        +8
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Often, personnel issues before commanders assigned to personnel officers

        Now such a crucial question, anyway you will not trust. What if he finds a battalion commander who cannot shake money from his subordinates? And what then do you order to change linoleum in the barracks and meet the check ??

        Quote: Captain45
        Copies of documents should not be done after, but before ... If you feel that the situation will escalate and conflict arises, it is better to make copies of documents, including track records, in advance.

        What am I talking about. I also know one captain who had the best guard unit in the division for three years. When there were rams with the prosecutor's office (the fighters wrote a denunciation), the command decided to fire him. They didn’t come up with anything smarter than through the attestation commission of a unit. But there were honest officers. They threatened to be honest - they voted as they should. The captain went to court with extracts from orders for an excellent unit and a copy of the service card (they did not manage to spoil it). He won this court, but the System turned out to be stronger, especially if the son of the 1st deputy of the Moscow region judges you.
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 18 January 2018 12: 10
          +9
          Quote: captain
          Who served in the army does not laugh at the circus.

          "Who served in the army, he does not go to the circus!" hi
        2. Abel
          Abel 19 January 2018 23: 00
          0
          Quote: Moore
          He won this court, but the System turned out to be stronger, especially if the son of the 1st deputy of the Moscow region judges you.

          So my son "serves", he is preparing for a public position. Deputy Minister will
      2. Varg
        Varg 18 January 2018 17: 14
        0
        It is interesting, and on what basis will the cadres give him personal files?
        1. Moore
          Moore 18 January 2018 18: 20
          +2
          Well, then how the chip will fall. There is no direct ban on extraordinary (once every 1/2 year) familiarization with your official card. Unless the commandos fuss and does not give the personnel officers a command not to let go.
        2. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 19 January 2018 14: 56
          0
          Section in the LD - Introduction. Everyone is required once a year, with a painting. Words the card is included in the LD. Replaced, with the transfer of rewards, upon receipt of the star. major.
    3. Prosha
      Prosha 18 January 2018 13: 36
      +5
      Captain miss - a copy of your official card must be made immediately after the conflict

      A very correct remark is itself in 20 minutes, when it comes from a disciplined, "true Aryan", etc. turned into an outright scoundrel and a villain, and all my years of excellent service have been forgotten forever. But you understand all this after ...
    4. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 18 January 2018 17: 38
      0
      Quote: Moore
      Captain miss - a copy of your official card must be made immediately after the conflict

      I, too, this moment strained ... it seems to me all have a bunch of certified copies of hard currency ...
  3. k174oun7
    k174oun7 18 January 2018 07: 05
    +9
    The article and the captain’s appeal did not say anything specific about the essence of the dispute between the captain and the command, i.e. what are the mentioned corruption schemes, and even easier is that they stole or continue to steal: money, fuel and lubricants, etc. At the beginning of the video, some swindler yells that "because of you, we can’t pass the equipment." What is this about? First, the essence of the issue, the reason, and then the consequences.
    1. thinker
      thinker 18 January 2018 09: 16
      +4
      . the problems he raised should be resolved only within the army. And in no case can they become the property of the "broad masses." Here it is not a question of one-day attention to one's person, but of the country's security issues.
      1. captain
        captain 18 January 2018 10: 26
        +4
        Who served in the army does not laugh at the circus.
      2. Vvol
        Vvol 18 January 2018 11: 46
        +9
        It is precisely because of the closeness and isolation of this institution that large-scale official crimes were always possible in the garrisons and warehouses, and the spread of hazing at the time ... And do not be fooled - all these outrages are just the same are directly related to the security of the country! That "commander" who, along with his "retinue" of close "officers" allows himself to steal military equipment and money in peacetime, he, likewise, once on a business trip to a "hot spot", will "do business" in the war there, he just as in wartime, he will lay a good part of his subordinates for no smell of tobacco, and he will not choke. Such "gentlemen officers" will not bring any benefit to the Fatherland, but they will quickly find a common language with all possible pests for him, outside the army institute. Such people will dutifully remain silent when they drag the country into some kind of military adventure - or even they will raise their hands with it with both hands if they understand that they will have a certain “gesheft” from that! And at the same time, they completely disregard the preparation of the army and the country for real possible threats ... So there is no need to miss the extra opportunity to select lice in the army mane. No matter how "closed" the army was "natural", but this does not stop being an institution associated with taxpayers ... And yes, if you are talking about the notorious "secrecy", they say, as if suddenly a "sworn overseas enemy" didn’t find out what is going on behind the fences of military units! - So, I'm sorry: intelligence of all possible "potential" and real enemies should already know quite a bit, including and about what really managed not to shine in a public field yet. If they have vague ideas about our army, then this is already the problem of these intelligence services. But it’s just the very same high-ranking creators of ugliness, whose "rubbish" is so anxiously suggested here "not to take it out of the hut," and on occasion they will sell the information that in reality has remained "secret."
  4. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 18 January 2018 07: 08
    +4
    If you knew exactly the essence of what was happening, then it would be possible to talk about anything. And so from the description, general phrases. The situation is not new. At the present stage of the army, the case must be said to be just ordinary. Without money, it’s bad, but their quantity and thirst for profit exceed moral standards. And my graduates, with whom I communicate, and not many who are left to work a little to the limit, tell not very nice things that happen all the time. Unfortunately.
    Yes .. and the prosecutor's office - "the guys are still those" wassat
    1. midivan
      midivan 18 January 2018 12: 08
      +4
      Quote: astronom1973n
      At the present stage of the army, the incident must probably be said to be ordinary.

      Quote: astronom1973n
      . And my graduates, with whom I communicate, and not many who are left to serve a little to the limit, tell not very nice things that happen all the time.

      So much ordinary case that the captain decided to appeal to the president? Do you think the captain is an idiot, a fool or a sick person?
      1. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n 18 January 2018 13: 02
        +1
        I believe that we must first study the content of his appeal, the essence of what is happening on the facts. But the article does not have anything concrete, everything in general. Then you can talk about anything.
  5. ser65
    ser65 18 January 2018 07: 30
    +8
    some nonsense .... but what is the essence of the problem?
  6. Varyag71
    Varyag71 18 January 2018 07: 37
    26
    I remember there was a case in my course at a military school. One cadet extorted money of his own. I don’t know how long he endured, because was in another group, but he later reported to the Organized Crime Control Department. The extortionists were detained. So many on the course believed that he was a rat, that he had done wrong, that he had to decide in his group. As for me, he did the right thing. To plant both those who extorted, and those who were against him.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 18 January 2018 08: 31
      +2
      Quote: Varyag71
      So many on the course thought he was a rat, that he had done wrong

      Well, Duc ... a Racean "tradition"! Just like ...: I went to the police, the prosecutor’s office, "an informer, knocking (!), Maybe he shouldn’t give his hand?" And why in the USA they think: Law-abiding, respectable citizen should help law enforcement!? They are even proud of it, they even hang signs on their homes: “a voluntary police assistant”
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 18 January 2018 14: 53
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        And why in the USA consider: the Law-abiding, respectable citizen should help law enforcement agencies!? They are even proud of it, they even hang signs on their homes: “a voluntary police assistant”

        Probably because the law enforcement bodies do not consider there that "the fact that you are not sitting is not your merit, but our shortcoming." I haven’t met anyone from the authorities who simply said: “No, no, but I’m not like that, I’m not like that, I’m not like that!” Everyone in the mind holds this formula. Even decent.
  7. horava
    horava 18 January 2018 07: 42
    +7
    nobody needs the truth the military prosecutor’s office was created so that the “MILITARY TRUTH” would NOT go over the fence
  8. GLIMMERING
    GLIMMERING 18 January 2018 07: 46
    +7
    A similar situation or situations, for sure, are not only in the Moscow Region. The system is “riddled with a shashel” of corruption as the hull of a 17th century sailboat ...
    For example, in the department connected with rescue operations at sea the situation is deplorable. In order to obtain the necessary supply, it is necessary to justify the application and still “find” possible suppliers for the tender. Meanwhile, the equipment is either not in working condition or is absent, as is the proper form of clothing or protective equipment.
    How to help in salvation, if it's time to save?
    1. your1970
      your1970 18 January 2018 21: 16
      0
      Quote: GLIMMERING
      it is necessary to justify the application and also “find” possible suppliers for the tender.
      - offer to buy from the first available at any price?
    2. Seal
      Seal 22 January 2018 11: 26
      0
      Office diver Paratrooper Andrei mean?
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 18 January 2018 07: 53
    12
    "Like a petition to the king, serve! Serf!" ...
    At the feet he bowed to the old woman,
    Said: "Hello, formidable queen!
    Is your darling happy now? "
    The old woman did not look at him,
    Only with his eyes told him to drive him away.
    The boyars and nobles ran up
    The old man was pushed up by you.
    And at the door a guard ran up
    I almost chopped it with axes,
    And the people laughed at him:
    "Let me tell you, old ignoramus!
    Henceforth, ignoramus, science:
    Don't get in your sled! "
  10. Mixweb
    Mixweb 18 January 2018 07: 53
    29
    4 years ago I found myself in a very similar situation. I tried to unite the whole team to deal with this situation, but to no avail. The leadership washed their hands, colleagues only said that, well done, they say, well done, and no one supported. As a result, I ended up in a hospital with CCI and at the same time under investigation, allegedly for the systematic beating of students. I don’t know how it would end, but the leadership has changed and a retired lieutenant colonel of the special forces, who came to us, has come to us. He was much more sensible than his predecessors and took my side. And the situation that television had already begun to cover was reversed.
    P.S. I work in a special school for those who have broken the law. 4 years ago there were riots, which I first tried to stop, and then stop. But the vast majority of our employees were afraid of the pupils. I had to go alone against the system. Thank God that everything ended well.
  11. free
    free 18 January 2018 08: 36
    21
    And so everywhere, at least at the factory, at least in the housing and communal services, at least in the army, the police, and the Ministry of Emergencies. That's what the country has come to for 27 years of capitalism, who needs extra?
    1. SOF
      SOF 18 January 2018 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: free

      And so everywhere, at least at the factory, at least in the housing and communal services, at least in the army, the police, and the Ministry of Emergencies. That's what the country has come to for 27 years of capitalism, who needs extra?

      ... comment please here on this:
      Quote: Torins
      This was the case under the USSR. In the 76th, my father, then still a lieutenant, was ordered ...
      .... Here you have the Soviet army. That adder was.
      P.S. When trying to appeal the current situation, he was generally told, “You would be better silent, the taiga is not far, they will not find a corpse.”

      ... it's a little lower placed ... hi
      And then tell ISCHO about a happy past, and about what will be light the future in two months ...
      1. free
        free 18 January 2018 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: SOF
        Quote: free

        And so everywhere, at least at the factory, at least in the housing and communal services, at least in the army, the police, and the Ministry of Emergencies. That's what the country has come to for 27 years of capitalism, who needs extra?

        ... comment please here on this:
        Quote: Torins
        This was the case under the USSR. In the 76th, my father, then still a lieutenant, was ordered ...
        .... Here you have the Soviet army. That adder was.
        P.S. When trying to appeal the current situation, he was generally told, “You would be better silent, the taiga is not far, they will not find a corpse.”

        ... it's a little lower placed ... hi
        And then tell ISCHO about a happy past, and about what will be light the future in two months ...

        You better move to a happy Norway or no less happy Finland.
        1. SOF
          SOF 18 January 2018 18: 19
          +3
          Quote: free
          You better move to a happy Norway or no less happy Finland.

          ... about how ... How would even an answer to an uncomfortable question come out, right? lol
          Here are the pipes for you ... This is my country too.
          So what about the fact that under "happy" communism it was the same?
          1. free
            free 19 January 2018 10: 51
            0
            Quote: SOF
            Quote: free
            You better move to a happy Norway or no less happy Finland.

            ... about how ... How would even an answer to an uncomfortable question come out, right? lol
            Here are the pipes for you ... This is my country too.
            So what about the fact that under "happy" communism it was the same?

            It was, but not so arrogant and not in such proportions, but Finnish, teach me everything.
          2. Ivan58
            Ivan58 19 January 2018 22: 54
            0
            And you know, under the communists there was a party meeting, a party bureau, a district committee. on which it was possible to speak out. Try it now. Now the opinion of the authorities is undeniable, because nobody will just listen to you.
            1. Seal
              Seal 22 January 2018 11: 33
              0
              Quote: Ivan58
              there was a party meeting, a party bureau, a district committee. on which it was possible to speak out. Try it now.

              On issues, let’s say, “which may cause displeasure of the leadership,” at party meetings most often they knocked out a retired veteran from the workers who, in general, had nothing to lose. But even then, in the minutes of the meetings, as a rule, a heavily smoothed version fell.
  12. Clueless
    Clueless 18 January 2018 08: 53
    17
    If someone began to threaten my wife or children, the conversation was very short. Regardless of rank, position, etc. Men can threaten each other, beat each other, etc., but to interfere in this women and children is low
  13. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 18 January 2018 08: 53
    13
    That is in all its glory the socio-political system of Russia! The officials are not afraid of anything (nobody) ... in their impudence they can also say; Although you complain to Putin, we are not afraid of anyone, we will not have anything! ”And really (!), Often, they’re never“ anything ”! do we need such a “system”? If not, then why should we support it? Putin is “good”? What if Putin suddenly ... (well, let's not talk about the “sad”!) ... Putin will say: “I'm tired ... I'm leaving-ju-ju-ju ... "? And what will happen? what request Putin has done a lot for Russia ... many thanks to him for this ... but does Putin need "in the future"? A “leader” who has been leading a flawed “system” (!) For many years and could not (or perhaps did not try) break it!
    1. shura7782
      shura7782 18 January 2018 10: 42
      +9
      Around the GDP, there are a lot of people sitting evenly and decently receiving monetary allowance. Specifically, they are edros. They understand that while he was in power, LIFE was successful. So that his resource is already in full swing. They feel that it smells like kerosene. Tired of the people, the elections will not be easy.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 18 January 2018 11: 56
        +5
        Quote: shura7782
        Tired of the people, the elections will not be easy.

        The elections will show whether the people are tired (for real!) Or ... "not really" !!!
        However, there is a "sadness" ... over many years of rule, the current regime of power has successfully mastered the "magic" of bringing "trouble" to the people! He’ll have all the “resources”!
    2. your1970
      your1970 18 January 2018 21: 25
      0
      here I am an official — and even according to a local slander, our office (not the prosecutor’s office, not the ECHR, just the office !!) raises such a flurry: they raise all the cases, double-check, collect documents, give the complainant an answer ... sometimes the answer is no - sometimes positive, but cigarettes / validol always go in these packs at these moments ...
      And I won’t believe that an ordinary civil servant can blurt out: “Though you complain to Putin, we’re not afraid of anyone, we won’t be anything!”
      Once again - a civil servant - NOT doctor, teacher, municipal employee, individual entrepreneur, housing and communal services worker and all other persons of which WHY SOMETHING credited to civil servants
  14. Torins
    Torins 18 January 2018 09: 38
    +7
    Quote: free
    And so everywhere, at least at the factory, at least in the housing and communal services, at least in the army, the police, and the Ministry of Emergencies. That's what the country has come to for 27 years of capitalism, who needs extra?

    This was the case under the USSR. In the 76th, my father, then still a lieutenant, was ordered to advance to the exercises in the car of a fellow soldier lying for the third month in the hospital. The order was given in the evening, but it was necessary to advance in the morning. The car was not working, half of everything was stolen. The objections raised by the authorities were rejected (supposedly your problem, but the car should be operational by morning) In general, they managed to repair the crew overnight and managed to do so, but they brought them into combat-ready form. And here on the march during the descent, the brakes fail and in case of a collision, the back cover and oil line of the car in front are damaged. I will not describe all the dirt that my father had to face, but 1500 rubles were detained in his rank for damages from his salary.
    The machine on which my father served as the commander was Osa, the latest at that time.
    So much for the Soviet army. That adder was.
    P.S. When trying to appeal the current situation, he was generally told, “You would be better silent, the taiga is not far, they will not find a corpse.”
  15. viach
    viach 18 January 2018 10: 47
    +3
    Well done captain! I probably could not stay that way. I admire fortitude all the more! I wish you not to break, this test is for life.
  16. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 18 January 2018 11: 33
    +6
    Unfortunately, few people succeed in successfully countering the current system alone. They will devour.
    I feel sorry for the captain, they doused me with slop. And such problems should be solved in the army, and not in public. This is an internal affair.
  17. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 18 January 2018 12: 00
    +3
    The captain, apparently, is principled. So he believes in his innocence. Good luck to you!
  18. Sergey824
    Sergey824 18 January 2018 12: 27
    +1
    Quote: midivan
    Quote: Finches
    If, honestly, I didn’t understand nichrome

    You didn’t understand one thing, but insulting a person because of your incomprehensibility does not honor you! Yes, and I would look at you, in the place of the captain, when they threaten your children, you would probably laughing
    I also did not understand, the video looked. I did not see the insult. If you are in the subject, share the essence of the events. This is with regards to confrontation. And about the threats, there can be no two opinions here and no one took this into question., Sorry, not the officer is that major.
  19. BAI
    BAI 18 January 2018 12: 57
    +4
    Nothing changes in the army. So it was 10, and 20, and 30 years ago. And apparently, it will continue to be so.
    But in general - the article is not completed. If the question is submitted for general discussion, then we must say what the problem is. Otherwise, there is nothing to divulge "military secrets."
    1. Urs
      Urs 18 January 2018 15: 28
      0
      Well, why is the husband changing, would you try 20 years on the ass in court to demand restoration in the army request
      1. your1970
        your1970 18 January 2018 21: 28
        0
        in 1997-2, people were reinstated in the regiment by the court (major and ensign), in another part in 1995-1 (captain).
  20. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 18 January 2018 13: 04
    +3
    corruption in our army rolls over, I say this by hearsay, I know the situation from the inside, this case is very typical, but we can only hear in all the media - the red army is stronger than all!
  21. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 14: 19
    +1
    Quote: Varyag71
    I remember there was a case in my course at a military school. One cadet extorted money of his own. I don’t know how long he endured, because was in another group, but he later reported to the Organized Crime Control Department. The extortionists were detained. So many on the course believed that he was a rat, that he had done wrong, that he had to decide in his group. As for me, he did the right thing. To plant both those who extorted, and those who were against him.

    Well, at what times, and in which school did such cadets-extortionists study ?! belay
    1. Varyag71
      Varyag71 18 January 2018 15: 22
      +1
      1997-2002 Voronezh Aviation Engineering Institute
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 18 January 2018 15: 26
        +3
        I’ll tell you more. At the weekend, a cadet robbed a woman with a child while being fired from civilian friends. Exactly a week later, the two taxi drivers nearly strangled. We also studied with Kazakhstan, lovers of weed to smoke. This is only in my course of one faculty.
        From another faculty, some were also tied by the Organized Crime Control Department. But a year later they came to the course younger, since many dad and mother had shoulder straps, positions and money.
  22. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 January 2018 14: 19
    +5
    Quote: Finches
    I, as a staff officer, for 25 years of service

    As if it adds to the mind!
    "How to put on my belt ... everything is dumb and dumb!" (c) - army saying
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 18 January 2018 18: 15
      +2
      Kunstkamera, I already wrote that military service does not make a person better or smarter ...
      1. Ivan58
        Ivan58 19 January 2018 23: 01
        0
        However. In the army, as elsewhere, everyone is missing. And about better and smarter, it also depends on the person. But it is not necessary indiscriminately. Ugly.
  23. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 January 2018 14: 23
    +3
    Quote: _Jack_
    Red Army

    The Red Army has long rested in the Bose ... And so - what is happening in the country, then in the army.
  24. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 January 2018 14: 28
    +5
    Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
    And such problems should be solved in the army, and not in public. This is an internal affair

    in the middle of the "internal affairs" they’ll gobble up quickly. And after the announcement, at least there is hope ... although "you will never become a major captain!" - the system never forgives this.
  25. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 18 January 2018 14: 37
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Putin will say: "I'm tired ... I'm leaving, ju-ju-ju ..."? And will it be?

    we’ll cry ... sobbing sobbing ... "And who do you leave us unsophisticated-and-and-l?"
    Dark and damp will come in the country ... It takes a terrible thing!
  26. lance
    lance 18 January 2018 14: 40
    +4
    in all my life I know only three pradivtsev who rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel, the rest (and there are a lot of them) did not rise above the captains. You can fight theft, theft, etc. in the army only by standing at the head of the unit and having three or four decent officers. everything else is doomed to failure that the USSR, and now even more so.
  27. Urs
    Urs 18 January 2018 15: 22
    +2
    I don’t argue with a funny article, but unfortunately everything is not new, the next officer who at one time was given a clear concept of HONOR just could not stand it. It is a pity that there are few of these and not only in the army.
    Tu read various komenty, and somehow Pts not a pleasant precipitate remained FOR THE POWER It becomes a shame.
    Itself suffered during the great perestroika time. It was necessary to quit with such an interesting format, the report in the personal file lies recently read a smile, WITH RESPONSIBILITY BY ILLEGALITY I AGREE to dismiss the report on my own. Here's how it all being a combat captain with military awards and letters of appreciation from Nazarbayev (I personally signed it myself). Because I also could not stand it and sent one, or maybe I don’t remember two or more. Ehh, after all, I thought that I would be forever young and the mountains would be turned down. And to the captain, if he knows his innocence and HONOR, then hold on and fight, and then you will regret later.
    If the locals start to poke (civilians) there is enough shit there, go to the head of the militia, like a man will not help badly. If I didn’t change, I went hunting with him.
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 15: 25
    +2
    Quote: Varyag71
    1997-2002 Voronezh Aviation Engineering Institute

    Now it’s clear - what times, such and mores! wassat And the songs too ... laughing
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 15: 27
    +1
    Quote: kunstkammer
    Quote: _Jack_
    Red Army

    The Red Army has long rested in the Bose ... And so - what is happening in the country, then in the army.

    yes
  30. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 15: 28
    +1
    Quote: kunstkammer
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Putin will say: "I'm tired ... I'm leaving, ju-ju-ju ..."? And will it be?

    we’ll cry ... sobbing sobbing ... "And who do you leave us unsophisticated-and-and-l?"
    Dark and damp will come in the country ... It takes a terrible thing!

    good
  31. Don Analyst
    Don Analyst 18 January 2018 16: 18
    +3
    He is not alone in the armed forces, but there are those who have lost their lives for seeking the truth!
    This is my cousin, major.
    Staged a crossbow - two shots to the head.
  32. loaln
    loaln 18 January 2018 16: 20
    +3
    Here is the clearest example that shows what kind of society is built in Russia and who rules the ball even in such state institutions as the army. The first generally heard was a bell, or rather, the alarm of Vasilyeva-Taburetkin’s case.
    Now the cut is down. Sorry, but according to all the laws of social development, there should be rot between them. And they blow us ....
    That is, the media are the same? And then in order.
    In the USSR, this could not be by default. It’s been tested in its own skin. They were incompetent, arrogant and careerists met, but there were no bastards. And close. In the end, it was only a pity for the lost time for creativity. Now, if you say so, you'll look like a holy fool ... in the midst of a barbaric party.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 18 January 2018 18: 58
      +4
      Quote: loaln

      In the USSR, this could not be by default. It’s been tested in its own skin. They were incompetent, arrogant and careerists met, but there were no bastards. And close.
      Really? Yes, full of you. In the last part of my unit, the commander specially kept a couple of warrant officers, scouts, so that among the military service "order was maintained." A soldier, a Komsomol company company, a candidate member of the CPSU came to me, an abnormal party organizer of the unit (the unit was small) and asked for help from this scourge, because appeals to the commander did not help. Knowing the true situation, I bluntly said that turning below the military department of the Central Committee would not help. The soldiers wrote a letter, the inspector arrived from the district, concluded that "party political work is weak in part, the party organizer (but not a full-time political officer!) Is to blame" and I was quietly fired to the reserve, since the service allowed. All would be nothing, but two months after my dismissal, the soldiers hanged themselves in the unit due to massacre and hazing. It was in 1987. I wish good luck to Captain Zolotarev in everything. And if they get fired, the citizens should not be afraid.
    2. your1970
      your1970 18 January 2018 21: 33
      0
      Quote: loaln
      In the USSR, this could not be by default. It’s been tested in its own skin. They were incompetent, arrogant and careerists met, but there were no bastards. And close.
      -
      in 1989, the chief financial officer (major) went and begged for money (3 rubles of demolition) from demobilization, a year later in 90, when they began to pay 100 rubles of demobilization, he began to give them only for a rollback of 25 rubles. Two complained to the special officer, did not help ...
  33. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 18 January 2018 16: 23
    +1
    And we began to study the subject with a conversation with the author, Alexei Zolotarev.
    For a start, let's say a few words about your own opinion. Believe it or not, Captain Zolotarev did not seem to us to be some kind of scandalous brawler who wants to discredit everyone around him or offended by the fact that he wasn’t shared with him in some kind of corruption scheme.
    On the contrary.
    In the unit where Zolotarev served until recently, and this is now a motorized rifle division stationed in the town of Valuyki, in the Belgorod region, events occurred that did not please the captain. This happens.


    So the bottom line is where?
  34. Natalia777
    Natalia777 18 January 2018 16: 23
    +1
    Do not judge based on the video. The situation may be such that Zolotarev is right, or it may be exactly the opposite. Everything happens in life. There are people with a headache who like to crap, deliberately create conflicts, pump up their mythical rights and demand for themselves “chosen ones” some special rules of work. Itself personally faced such people twice. One madam reached the minister’s reception with her complaints, when people outside the conflict realized that she was not quite adequate. So this article ABOUT DO NOT KNOW WHAT.
  35. Zebus
    Zebus 18 January 2018 16: 30
    +3
    Captain well done!
  36. foxstrat89
    foxstrat89 18 January 2018 16: 38
    +8
    We had a case at the academy at the 3 course ....
    After the next field exits, the financiers closed the field payments to us (with whose permission it is not clear) and we did not pay, we waited for these payments for about a year, and one of the cadets did not tolerate and wrote a letter to the presidential administration. Money paid out in 2 weeks.

    And our company became damned. They started chasing us on march-throws, made us ride square and wear round until the very issue, sometimes to the detriment of the educational process.

    Why am I ..... I believe the captain.
  37. Falcond
    Falcond 18 January 2018 16: 50
    +5
    Yes, everything is always like this in the army: I jumped over my head - at a cost !!! A service card is not a document at all, people remember about it when a person needs to be either removed, promoted or sent to the academy! Under each case, a new one with the necessary entries is started! Like reports (testimonies of witnesses) about his "absence" in the service, they were written overnight, when the commanders began to smoke a fight! The army in relation to man is a bastion of lawlessness! This is a system that will survive such a military, regardless of whether he is right or not !!! There is one law - the commander’s ass must be safe! And that bliss in relation to the captain was most likely initiated from above, for not a single commander in a solid mind and sober memory would begin to hang up a fabricated criminal in his part, this is not in his favor ....
  38. Kurochkin
    Kurochkin 18 January 2018 17: 25
    0
    What a mess is going on !!!!
  39. Egg
    Egg 18 January 2018 17: 28
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    to such comrades, who are splashing out their problems to the public from our army

    Quote: Sands Career General
    And such problems should be solved in the army, and not in public. This is an internal affair.

    People like you create a breeding ground for crime and theft.
    It was necessary to think about the uniform's honor when a corruption scheme was created or a crime was committed.
    And when everything was opened to think about honor it was too late, this same “honor” was gone, they were sold for a long time.
    Only a public "flogging" can correct the situation so that everyone would be ashamed, all the taciturns and concealers!
  40. Oleg Monarchist
    Oleg Monarchist 18 January 2018 17: 57
    0
    Didn’t you visit the channel of the “fighter"? Come in, take a look. It is signed to Sasha Skotnik and “Kamikadzed”, they “like” each other there, they fight corruption ... moreover, it seems very secretive such corruption that neither Zolotarev, nor Skotnik, nor “Kamikaze” can say anything about it . They just say "exposed the corruption scheme" .... evidence? # mamayklyanus !!!! laughing
  41. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 18 January 2018 18: 11
    +5
    Dear authors! Decide inside the army does not work! Now in power are people who see the army as a means of earning, turning a great tool to protect the homeland and people into the Praetorian guard to protect a narrow circle of people. The attacks of the "daughters of military officers" on fair comments by members of the forum to the Defense Ministry are indicative here.
  42. serge siberian
    serge siberian 18 January 2018 18: 19
    0
    Hold on to the captain. Good luck! hi
  43. Aleks2048
    Aleks2048 18 January 2018 18: 56
    0
    Hmm ... the Russian land will not be impoverished ... apparently the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc. completely stalled in their development ...
    Remember how later it turned out to be an almost mentally abnormal opera by Major of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Dymovsky?
  44. Fox
    Fox 18 January 2018 19: 04
    0
    during the service he himself almost fell into a similar situevina, when they wanted to "lose their personal files" ... the new chief carried out a whole special operation when he pulled out the LD.)))) otherwise they would have been part-time and incomplete servicemen instead of rewards.
  45. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 18 January 2018 19: 19
    0
    You can only cheer up the captain and wish you success. It will be difficult for him to compose such nonsense that does not fit in his head
  46. Oleg666
    Oleg666 18 January 2018 19: 31
    +1
    Yes, guys, I served in the army there, such kindness as a captain and a major every day and every year, as they say with the mind, enough to understand Russia
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 19 January 2018 01: 21
      0
      Quote: Oleg666
      Yes, guys, I served in the army there, such kindness as a captain and a major every day and every year, as they say with the mind, enough to understand Russia

      It is not necessary to be an officer, two years of urgency is enough ...
  47. Awaz
    Awaz 18 January 2018 20: 02
    0
    It’s good that they managed to raise the wave and, most importantly, the garbage was not taken out for general viewing.
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 19 January 2018 13: 00
      0
      Quote: AwaZ
      It’s good that they managed to raise the wave and, most importantly, the garbage was not taken out for general viewing.

      Sorry, but how is this? request Raise a wave i.e. make visible and nevertheless not put on display what
      - What a cunning person.
      “What did you ask?”
      - But I did not understand. (c) film "DMB"
  48. mervino2007
    mervino2007 18 January 2018 21: 30
    +1
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    A “leader” who has been leading a flawed “system” (!) For many years and could not (or perhaps did not try) break it!
    . Many years? Wow ~ 20 years old!
    We strengthen the formula:
    Could it be a good captain whose ship is rusty, barely sailing, the team does not dry out? The answer is no.
  49. onix757
    onix757 18 January 2018 21: 49
    +5
    What they wanted was what they got. Serdyukov on the go-ahead from the top drove out the remnants of officers who had received Soviet education and thereby interrupted the continuity. Instead of an army, we have a commercial enterprise.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 19 January 2018 01: 37
      0
      Quote: onix757
      What they wanted was what they got. Serdyukov on the go-ahead from the top drove out the remnants of officers who had received Soviet education and thereby interrupted the continuity.

      They’re hanging noodles on their ears again. And then before Serdyukov and after him no one served in the Army, Serdyukov will soon be 10 years old, not the Minister of Defense, but they are all Serdyukov and Serdyukov ...
      Here read the biography of Serdyukov
      Under his leadership, the amount of taxes collected has increased significantly. Already in the first half of 2005, the service reported that the plan was exceeded by 10 billion dollars.

      Analysts note that A. Serdyukov played one of the decisive roles in the Yukos case, which was indicative of a series of tax claims against large financial institutions.
      The Federal Tax Service then acted as the main creditor of Yukos, accusing it of not receiving deductions in the amount of 27 billion dollars. Ultimately, this led to the sale of assets and the bankruptcy of the empire of Mikhail Khodorkovsky.

      Why did the brave military personnel with Soviet education not carry out the actions (highlighted in black) that Serdyukov conducted ...
      In the course of the reform, the transformation of the main elements of the Armed Forces began. Its main areas are:
      Administrative reform. Six military districts were reorganized into four operational strategic commands.
      Personnel reorganization. Significantly reduced the number of armed forces, mainly due to the command staff, the governing bodies were transformed. During the work of A. Serdyukov, a new staff of deputy defense ministers, commanders-in-chief, commanders of various arms and military districts was staffed. By the middle of 2008, the percentage of rotation of senior personnel of the Russian Ministry of Defense was more than 70%.
      Reform of the structure of military education, which included a reduction in the number and enlargement of military educational institutions.
      Rearmament program, including the purchase of foreign-made military equipment.
      Transfer of the service sector of the Russian Armed Forces to civilian organizations.
      Army life has been reduced to one year.
      The introduction of a new uniform from a fashion designer Valentin Yudashkin.

      https://24smi.org/celebrity/3624-anatolii-serdiuk
      ov.html
      1. Strategy
        Strategy 19 January 2018 20: 13
        +1
        In the course of the reform, the transformation of the main elements of the Armed Forces began. Its main areas are:
        Administrative reform. Six military districts were reorganized into four operational strategic commands.
        Personnel reorganization. Significantly reduced the number of armed forces, mainly due to the command staff, the governing bodies were transformed. During the work of A. Serdyukov, a new staff of deputy defense ministers, commanders-in-chief, commanders of various arms and military districts was staffed. By the middle of 2008, the percentage of rotation of senior personnel of the Russian Ministry of Defense was more than 70%.
        Reform of the structure of military education, which included a reduction in the number and enlargement of military educational institutions.
        The rearmament program, including the purchase of foreign-made military equipment.
        Transfer of the service sector of the Russian Armed Forces to civilian organizations.
        Army life has been reduced to one year.
        The introduction of a new uniform from a fashion designer Valentin Yudashkin.

        And which of the following items can be evaluated positively?
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 20 January 2018 00: 13
          0
          Strategy And which of the following items can be evaluated positively?

          Well, apparently all that are highlighted in bold, as they have not been canceled .... laughing
      2. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 20 January 2018 12: 47
        +2
        closed military schools, and especially in aviation, with considerable work are being restored, divisions are being restored, should those units continue?
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 20 January 2018 14: 51
          +1
          Quote: nov_tech.vrn
          closed military schools

          What are you talking about?
          divisions are being restored

          Yes, as part of the RF NE - 8 divisions, except for PULAD and 42-th MSD, all are created either with "0" or converted into divisions from brigades.
          As part of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation, the 104 Airborne Forces are being reconstructed (the Union had Airborne Forces) on the basis of the 31 Airborne Forces.
          Recently, on a zombie box and on this site, they showed the re-establishment of the VTA VKS division of the Russian Federation ..
          AK were formed at KChF, KSF and KBF.
          As a part of the RF NE, there were formations that had never been in the USSR Armed Forces - Arctic, reconnaissance brigades, AA brigades (15-I and 16-I), a VP, MTR appeared.
          1. nov_tech.vrn
            nov_tech.vrn 20 January 2018 16: 34
            +1
            I’m about the restoration of previously closed higher military educational institutions, and on the restoration of the division’s armed forces, I won’t specify how the divisions were transformed into brigades and so on, this just doesn’t concern many who are hanging out here, someone came to fuss, and apparently someone should try to throw something in., the question was about a specific officer, his problems, how they arose, and links to international or what kind of situation is there, the strategy of building the RA or articles of the charter, this is a flood
            1. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 20 January 2018 17: 04
              0
              nov_tech.vrn
              I am about the restoration of previously closed higher military educational institutions

              They did the right thing in which country to withdraw so many tank and artillery schools with an army of 1 million people (for example, in the US Army that exceeds ours in terms of strength and combat strength, this does not exist), you can also suggest restoring secondary military schools and junior lieutenant courses?
              and the restoration of the division’s armed forces

              I wrote to you that a part was returned to the divisional link, a part was created anew, but it’s understandable to keep deployed divisions in peacetime (the economy will fall), only in strategic areas where there are not enough brigades .... what good is it from the cropped divisions all the wars of modern Russia showed no ....
              Have you created the 8 OA near Novocherkassk, the backbone of which was the 150 I MSD, is this enough for peacetime, or do you propose to deploy 2 MSD and 1 TD in its composition?
              For example, the PLA only had one 11-I MD, all the rest were transferred to the brigade level .... although I think they were in a hurry ....
              I recommend reading the magazine "ZVO" on it well you can determine the development of the enemy armed forces ....
              I won’t specify how the divisions were transformed into brigades, and so on, this just doesn’t apply to many who are hanging out here, someone came to fuss, and someone apparently to try

              So you can find out from open sources, in many countries there are separate departments in special services that analyze and systematize the information they receive from open sources ...
              I think the Party and the Government are not dumber than us, they know what to do with the RF Armed Forces ...
              the question was about the specific officer, his problems, how they arose, and references to the international or any other situation, the strategy of building the RA or articles of the charter, this is a flood

              The first began to flood
              nov_tech.vrn Today, 12: 47
              closed military schools, and especially in aviation, with considerable work are being restored, divisions are being restored, should those units continue?

              Why the hell did they get into the dialogue?
  50. iouris
    iouris 18 January 2018 22: 14
    0
    Captain Zolotarev, nothing changes under this stupid moon in this stupid firmament.