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Tricky comments. The media are buried together Grudinina, no one is looking at the electorate

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I haven’t written anything in this area for a long time, but here you don’t want to, but you’ll go over the topic.




Very funny, right, to observe how the leading media rushed to bury Pavel Grudinin. It resembles a hypermarket of some kind: the goods themselves were delivered, they themselves advertised, weighed, packed and paid.

Well, sentenced Grudinina. Everything, they say, merged oligarch. The public did not forgive him the secret and obvious accounts. And in general, it is not a matter for a rich person to go to the polls. As I understand it, only one who has a louse on a lasso in his pocket should go to the elections, so what?

And one more thing I begin to understand. How do we VTsIOM public opinion polls, we all know. But tsiferkami all shake. And nobody cares that VTsIOM has already surveyed 3 (three) thousand people by telephone. Everyone do not care.

The main thing is for Putin: 73,2% of Russians, for Grudinin and Zhirinovsky by 6,1% of the total.

The fact that all the media that have published these results, in the comments (who is allowed) dozens screaming "And we are for Grudinina," is a trifle.

The impression is beginning to take shape that Putin is below 72% and will not fall. More precisely, do not lower. Well, no matter how it was on past 71,73%, it’s impossible on these lower ones.

Discharged down? Well, let's see.

But in general, all this fuss in the state and local state media says only one thing - Zyuganov did a really good move. Otherwise, why such a fuss rose?

So we were told why Navalny and Putin’s goddaughter (Sobchak) were not a cake, but now everyone rushed to the collective farm chairman as if on command. Has the team really passed?

Apparently, yes. But - as always, in a hurry and unprofessional. Found something to blame - the money was abroad. And who, say so, from the powerful of this world is not?

I'm not talking about the latter-day citizens of Malta or Switzerland. I'm just talking about those who keep money where he likes. And about those who have allegedly no accounts.

Yes, of course, we have people who should not have accounts abroad, because they can be arrested, and money can be taken away. So what? Who does it stop? Only, probably, an orphan and stop. And a person who has brothers, sisters, reasonable children, aunts, uncles and other relatives, including brilliant women-businesswoman, has no problems.

Well, who really cares how to act in this case, you can read about Roldugin and Egorov at your leisure as well.

And by the way, I’m talking here without any hitting or envy. I would not be able to work at such a level as an offshore wallet.

So with regard to Pavel Grudinina - really past the box office. It's wonderful that he has money. Although ... 7,5 billion rubles ... I beg you wholesale and retail. Well, is this money?

We have customs in garages, I'm sorry, they store more.

So the non-communist collective farmer Grudinin has nothing to worry about. What the VTsIOM draws there is one thing that in fact is another.

But on the Internet, people say they will vote for him. Yes, to be honest, I will vote. Why not? True, about why yes, we'll talk another time.

The main thing so far is that it is good that the central media began to bury Pavel Nikolaevich like that. Will benefit. As in the movie "Office Romance", remember? “Callers, speak? Then you should definitely take it! ”
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  1. populist
    populist 18 January 2018 06: 20
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    So we were told why Navalny and Putin’s goddaughter (Sobchak) were not a cake, but now everyone rushed to the collective farm chairman as if on command. Has the team really passed?
    Apparently, yes.

    Of course, the team passed. I listen to VestiFM - on the first day, two vicious performances in a few hours. I go to the site alone ...- there every day on a vile, slanderous article. (I don’t go to this site anymore). The very imperious elite was frightened of the popular candidate, and even against the background of their failures.
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 18 January 2018 06: 38
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      https://www.facebook.com/OpenEconomyMedia/videos/
      1984213535195011 /
      You will not believe! There are resources where Mr. Grudin is actively praised. And what resources)))
      OpenEconomy. Explain the complex
      January 11 at 3:32 a.m. ·
      Tax collection in Russia is growing much faster than the economy, recently head of the Federal Tax Service Mikhail Mishustin boasted. There’s nothing to brag about: if the economy is falling, and more and more taxes are being squeezed out of it, this is very bad, explains Pavel Grudinin, the presidential candidate from the Communist Party

      Read about this source online: Open economy. Whose, let's say, is a shout.
      1. populist
        populist 18 January 2018 06: 57
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        Anyone who writes about money. Do you remember such a fighter for national happiness as Comrade Fidel Castro. Remember his brother Raul Castro, the son of General Ulyanov \ Lenin. All are far from poor people. There was Salvador Allende.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 January 2018 07: 08
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          Quote: populist
          Anyone who writes about money. Do you remember such a fighter for national happiness as Comrade Fidel Castro. Remember his brother Raul Castro, the son of General Ulyanov \ Lenin. All are far from poor people. There was Salvador Allende.

          You are absolutely right Castro-aristocrat, Ulyanov-nobleman ....
          There is also a conference of Grudinin himself, but what Boldyrev said


          The author is very well laid out! Author +++++
          1. Anyone
            Anyone 18 January 2018 10: 34
            +8
            Castro is an aristocrat? )) Yes, his parents were from peasants who came to Cuba in search of a better life.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 January 2018 12: 15
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              Quote: Anyone
              his parents were from peasants,

              His father, Spanish immigrant Angel Castro, was a large landowner, mother - a cook from his father's estate.
              1. Anyone
                Anyone 18 January 2018 12: 28
                +6
                His father and mother did not even know how to write. Father became a planter and landowner already in Cuba. And he came there poor. What kind of "aristocrats" are there ...
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 18 January 2018 12: 32
                  +5
                  Quote: Anyone
                  His father and mother did not even know how to write. Father became a planter and landowner already in Cuba. And he came there poor. What kind of "aristocrats" are there ...

                  I read a book about him about 30 years ago, "a planter-new aristocracy" was deposited in my head. I could be wrong, but I’ll cover the topic for myself again. Thank. hi
                  1. Anyone
                    Anyone 18 January 2018 12: 40
                    +5
                    No, well, if the term "aristocracy" is interpreted broader than "hereditary aristocracy", then yes, Castro's father was, so to speak, from the "new Cubans."
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 18 January 2018 12: 47
                      +8
                      Quote: Anyone
                      No, well, if the term "aristocracy" is interpreted broader than "hereditary aristocracy", then yes, Castro's father was, so to speak, from the "new Cubans."

                      I meant that his father was a very wealthy man. hi
                      1. Anyone
                        Anyone 18 January 2018 12: 57
                        +5
                        By the way, an interesting question ... It is believed that Castro passed his fortune to the Cuban people. Nationalized, in short. And what does Grudinin say about his condition if he suddenly comes to power? Take an example from Fidel? Or like trump? )))
                2. Zefr
                  Zefr 19 January 2018 08: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: Anyone
                  His father and mother did not even know how to write. Father became a planter and landowner already in Cuba. And he came there poor. What kind of "aristocrats" are there ...

                  Eee ... Are you serious? Father became a planter, then a son from a poor family?
                  Yes, we have ALL oligarchs, officials, top managers and their children, according to your logic - beggars! And Bill Gates is a beggar, and Zuckerberg, only Rockefeller well done. And that bastard, all the time of the revolution suits, however, not where he lives, but where it is not a pity.
                  And who to choose now? Putin alone remained with his bezshtannoy team.
                  1. Anyone
                    Anyone 19 January 2018 09: 51
                    +5
                    Do you understand the difference between the nouveau riche and the aristocrats? You can be a poor aristocrat, actually. But poor nouveau riche will not work))
                    And regarding Fidel’s father, I wrote above. He became a landowner and a planter with his labor. I could not read and write, but gave the children a good education.
                    1. Zefr
                      Zefr 19 January 2018 12: 23
                      +4
                      So maybe Putin is an aristocrat? (For some reason, you have never been able to write the "aristocrat" correctly). Maybe Obama is an aristocrat? Here is Bush, the youngest one hundred percent aristocrat, you can’t argue.
                      "He became a planter with his labor." It's five. Which of the rich became nouveau riche in his work? Have you read Marx for a long time?
                      1. Anyone
                        Anyone 19 January 2018 12: 36
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                        1. Maybe you have other information about parents dragging Castro, but I focus on what Fidel said. Namely:
                        I was born into a landowner family. What does it mean? My father was a Spanish peasant from a very poor family. He came to Cuba as a Spanish emigrant at the beginning of the century and began to work in very difficult conditions. Being an entrepreneurial person, he soon attracted attention and took up certain leadership positions at construction sites, which were conducted at the beginning of the century.

                        He managed to accumulate some capitalist, which he invested in the purchase of land. In other words, as a business man, he achieved success and turned into the owner of the land ... Such things were not so difficult in the early years of the republic. Then he rented additional land. And when I was born, I was really born into a family that can be called land ownership.

                        2. Already said, you confuse aristocracy and nouveau riche. Look for the meaning of words in an explanatory word if you are not sure.
                        3. I apologize for typos - a small virtual keyboard.
              2. Plate
                Plate 18 January 2018 15: 05
                +5
                By the way, yes. I remember in a show they showed how he nationalized the land of his own parents.
          2. Lexus
            Lexus 18 January 2018 11: 08
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            On TV, an organized, frank, open "persecution" of Grudinin began. In one voice, as in the training manual. Looking disgusting. Mindful of other similar events, I remembered:
            "I have heard so much slander against you that I have no doubt: you are a wonderful person!" (c) O. Wilde
            1. 97110
              97110 18 January 2018 11: 36
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              Quote: lexus
              Mindful of other similar events, I remembered:
              "I have heard so much slander against you that I have no doubt: you are a wonderful person!" (c) O. Wilde

              It never occurred to you that they (the writing fraternity) had read it? I can not believe it - they would figure out the numbers. And if? But what if? Here was Yeltsin. Yes, such people in the USSR can’t rearrange cancer to Moscow. And they said aloud: "Boris, you are wrong!" And pissed off Boris ...
            2. stylet
              stylet 19 January 2018 03: 26
              +7
              To tell the truth is not bullying.
            3. vel pro
              vel pro 19 January 2018 17: 18
              +1
              but who needs it, ordinary oligarch
              1. Lev Bronsch
                Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 22: 00
                +4
                Here you are wrong! This scum is a strawberry mini-oligarch, and really wants to become real! Well, just like a Padro chocolate at the brothers. And for my dream I’m ready to surrender everyone and the country in addition. Well, actually, as with the brothers, it happened. Actually the perfect State Department candidate. He even has money even for the Maidan with cries of "profiteering illegally, leave Putin". Here is such a squiggle ... We will choose this nits and we will pay and repent, repent and pay ... will we provide you with a list? The French already remembered 1904, RI !! Is it direct infectious or something Poroshenko ?? Then the 90s will seem like a fairy tale to us, and the present time is a biblical paradise. Here are some such bastards climb into power (((
                1. stopkran
                  stopkran 23 January 2018 06: 11
                  +1
                  Grudinin is the most natural "wolf in sheep's clothing." )))

                  Sometimes it’s even useful to read the Bible: “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inside they are ravening wolves” (Matthew 7:15).
            4. Captain45
              Captain45 20 January 2018 02: 02
              +5
              Quote: lexus
              On TV, an organized, frank, open "persecution" of Grudinin began.

              Yes, bullying! Yes, that is, he Grudinin GUANO! And it is true!!! No need to lie !!! Where's the 7,5 lard of affairs, the field mouse?
              1. the most important
                the most important 22 January 2018 09: 53
                +3
                Quote: Captain45
                Quote: lexus
                On TV, an organized, frank, open "persecution" of Grudinin began.
                Yes, bullying! Yes, that is, he Grudinin GUANO! And it is true!!! No need to lie !!! Where's the 7,5 lard of affairs, the field mouse?

                You would, sir, with such youthful enthusiasm from Dimon learn about his 70 billion and from a well-known musician in narrow circles, where did he get 2 billion dollars!
                1. Lev Bronsch
                  Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 22: 04
                  +4
                  Here's the nickname you have "the most important" - and look at you, so stupid. Unlike some fairy tales about 140 billion Putin and 70 Medvedev - this is him, according to you, Dimon, 7,5 billion strawberry thieves have been proven, and how he didn’t bust, but admitted. Speaks for treatment am . By the way, how old are you, apparently, are you from the sect of an olesha anal? So the march on YouTube, your little analchik just filmed why you can’t go to school on March 18! In order not to accidentally help Putin laughing
                  1. Dalailama
                    Dalailama 22 January 2018 22: 58
                    0
                    Stalin worked for a salary.
            5. Lev Bronsch
              Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 19: 42
              +1
              One thing - how many foolish ones (((they put pluses on you! It’s obvious that they are catching Mr. Klubnichkin on a direct lie - he forgot the hard worker about $ 40 million, he probably earned it, he’s thinking about the country))). And when they press against the wall, start barking and shouting - you can see right away, president, what is there ... Yes, against his background a chocolate prezik from the non-brothers is an example of honesty and integrity! am Ugh, on you!
          3. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 12: 04
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            Quote: Stroporez
            The author is very well laid out! Author +++++

            That's right, only in vain, dear Roman, repeats this fake about Grudinin’s 7.5 billion - everything has already been dismantled and refuted that his account is overvalued 200 times
            1. stopkran
              stopkran 19 January 2018 08: 09
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              Miroed Grudinin became a political corpse immediately upon receipt of an identity card at the CEC., Because it was a pathological nonsense.

              But you don’t need to believe anyone, you need to check the information.
              Music did not play for long, Pasha did not dance for long! Grudinin is precisely the billionaire and finally lies. Http://e-news.su/mnenie-i-analitika/209398-nedolg
              o-muzyka-igrala-nedolgo-pasha-tanceval-grudinin-i
              menno-milliarder-i-okonchatelno-zavralsya.html
              1. nadezhiva
                nadezhiva 19 January 2018 12: 53
                +5
                Still worse:

                The price is not for the "package". Price per share, unfortunately.
                1. sapporo1959
                  sapporo1959 19 January 2018 19: 27
                  +9
                  Already a share is? I see that the Kremlin really got a little excited, since in such a big country they finally found that very plunderer of national wealth.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 11: 32
                    +5
                    Yeah, given that this is not a stock and the real value of $ 1000 per unit of delirium looks generally enchanting. But in our country there are a lot of fools, they believe. laughing
                    1. nadezhiva
                      nadezhiva 23 January 2018 12: 57
                      +1
                      About the birds:
                      Berkshire Hathaway Inc. $ 315 per share.
                      Seaboard Corporation $ 4 per share
                      NVR Incorporated $ 3 / share
                      This is the theme of enchanting delirium. Prices are different. Both on stocks and on paper. I would really like this pseudo-communist to be a worthy president someday. But from something I don’t believe in it. From the word at all. And the songs about "divide and distribute to everyone ... primarily the poor" .... remove the noodles, gentlemen.
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                    1. sapporo1959
                      sapporo1959 22 January 2018 20: 52
                      +1
                      Well, here in captivity you will liven up when such warriors go into battle! Maybe you should send the laces for the kosochka just in case, so that it would not fly off during an attack ..?
                2. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 11: 25
                  +1
                  Are you seriously interested in the issue? Or have you decided to take a word to what they say to you? Read carefully what is written there. Although to whom I say this to a person who has neither mind nor imagination.
                3. NordUral
                  NordUral 23 January 2018 08: 51
                  +1
                  Not tired of typing stuff in Latin? Or have you already gotten ready, you are sorry for us?
          4. CAM
            CAM 18 January 2018 16: 28
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            I do not believe the sternum, just because in his company, rat Boldyrev
            1. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 18 January 2018 21: 32
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              Quote: CAM
              I do not believe the sternum, just because in his company, rat Boldyrev

              the number of innocent lambs in Putin’s team is not countable belay
              1. the most important
                the most important 22 January 2018 09: 58
                +4
                Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                the number of innocent lambs in Putin’s team is not countable

                DO NOT touch the saints !!! Hands off Taburetkin, Red and other highly worthy !!!
              2. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 22 January 2018 14: 57
                +3
                why do you offend good people ?! Well, at least Shuvalov, Oreshkin, Naebullina, and the same Siluanov .... such good people, so care about welfare, ... really!
            2. NordUral
              NordUral 23 January 2018 08: 52
              +1
              Justify why the rat.
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          6. stylet
            stylet 19 January 2018 03: 25
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            Boldyrev together with Yeltsin destroyed Russia in the 90s. Now they want a second series - led by Grudinin.
            1. Romulus
              Romulus 19 January 2018 03: 34
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              Quote: stylet
              Boldyrev together with Yeltsin destroyed Russia in the 90s.

              Wider topic do not reveal how Boldyrev and Yeltsin destroyed Russia in 90?
              Or a night trip for the goodies?
              1. Captain45
                Captain45 19 January 2018 10: 04
                +5
                Quote: Romulus
                Wider topic do not reveal how Boldyrev and Yeltsin destroyed Russia in 90?
                I can’t open it, but I can sew the following: take a closer look in the comments, last night I gave a link about Boldyrev. Do not be lazy.
              2. Lev Bronsch
                Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 22: 13
                +1
                Well, apparently given your young age, I’m prompting you - Result: GDP under $ 200 billion is for 150 million people, a complete loss of technological sectors that determine technological breakthroughs, total impoverishment of the population - 80% of the poor according to the UN methodology and the UN Committee’s survey. Let me remind you. now in Ukraine 60% of the poor are using the same methodology. Remind the number of "zarobitchan"? Well, somehow, this way and that destroyed ... Everything, I emphasize everything, demographic projections by 2020 of the population of the Russian Federation assumed about 90 million people. Does this disclosure suit you? Or do you know that Berezovsky, Khodarkovsky, Abramovich and other seven-bankers with a service staff lived well and even perfectly, and for other knowledge of sergo matter in the head is not enough?
            2. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 22 January 2018 14: 58
              +1
              lying though! Already Boldyrev somehow to the Yeltsin family well, in no way succeed in leaning against!
          7. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 19 January 2018 17: 16
            +5
            Yeah. well laid out. between Grudinin and Ulyanov the same chasm as between Navalny and Stalin.
            and like both criminals. Before the revolution, Stalin traded in banditry, and Navalny traded in fraud. only Stalin robbed to finance the party, and Navalny for himself personally.
            and for whom did Grudinin earn his millions on, of course, the most honest way depressed in 90 collective farm lands?
            and frankly, his entire unknown biography somehow brings back memories of the hero of not our country Semen Semenchenko with whom everything at first was also very beautiful.
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 18 January 2018 10: 30
          +7
          Quote: populist
          about the son of General Ulyanov \ Lenin.

          what Right? Provincial inspector of public schools.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 18 January 2018 10: 43
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            Quote: unwillingly
            Quote: populist
            about the son of General Ulyanov \ Lenin.

            what exactly? Provincial inspector of public schools.

            If my memory serves me right, then according to the Table of Ranks Ilya Ulyanov had the rank of real state adviser, which in the army is equal to the rank of major general, thus dad V.I. Ulyanov (Lenin) was a civilian general.
        3. Abracadabrus
          Abracadabrus 18 January 2018 14: 43
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          Quote: populist
          Anyone who writes about money

          I don’t know who these “all” who “write about money” are, but in this case, the author of this article, Mr. Skomorokhov, writes about money. Rather, he writes not about money, but about the fact that all claims against Grudinin allegedly boil down to the fact that he has a lot of money. And this is an obvious, if not a lie, then an intentional distortion of the facts and an attempt to distract the reader's attention from far more substantial claims to the "comrade" Grudinin. As for the money, the claim is not to money, but to a very muddy source of their origin. And if Mr. Skomorokhov had the urge to do an “objective” review of the press, then it was necessary to speak not about money, but
          - about how the "comrade" Grudinin took over the land plots of collective farmers (courts still go on);
          - about how collective farm land was sold at a surprisingly low price;
          - about how agricultural land is leased for warehouses and shopping centers;
          - about how Moscow retail chains refused to take the products of Lenin State Farm CJSC, suspecting it of Turkish origin, and Grudinin could not document the opposite;
          - about how locals in this amazing "state farm" are sitting without work, while the police catch illegal immigrants working on the fields of the ZAO.
          And much more. I don’t cite proofs for relevant publications, because it’s not me, but Skomorokhov started a “review” of the press, and accordingly he should have done it. But he, pretending to be objective, somehow missed these “little things”. And finally, literally touches the argument:
          But on the Internet, people say they will vote for him.
          Well, on the Internet, the “daughter of officers” says a lot. And I, for example, and other commentators under this article, also on the Internet, say that we don’t need such candidates with a soul.
          Will the author vote for Grudinin? - it’s his right, but to write an article on the topic “I vote for Grudinin” somehow smells very badly of engagement.
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            1. albert
              albert 18 January 2018 17: 29
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              Grudinin promises a progressive system of taxation. Putin is not gu-gu about that.
              Quote: Krabik
              Each organism must be able to protect itself - this is not just normal, it should be so in a healthy system.

              To call our state system healthy is a bust.
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 18 January 2018 17: 47
                16
                Poroshenko promised to end the war in the Donbass.

                Trump promised to be friends with Russia and return industry from China to the United States.

                So what about your first cue - election chatter.
                According to the second one, try to build a better system, otherwise you can groan every master!
              2. Foxmara
                Foxmara 21 January 2018 19: 55
                +7
                Quote: albert
                Grudinin promises a progressive system of taxation. Putin is not gu-gu about that.

                To promise does not mean to marry. One day he wrote that he had no investments and reported on them. What is there to believe?
                Well, in spite of the article - there is a certain amount of "drowning" for Grudinin, which no one knew yesterday, just rolls over .. on the Internet. We all know how to organize this.
                Yes, there is both an attempt to “drown” the candidate and an attempt to drag him into a chair that is not his size. Sudden support for the Yankees only introduces more questions ..
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 20: 07
                  +7
                  Quote: Foxmara
                  there is an attempt to "drown" the candidate

                  Come on ... who drowns him?
                  It will be necessary - drown, no problems.
                  Quote: Foxmara
                  One day he wrote that he had no investments and reported on them

                  The boy decided to conceal the money from the state ... na-i-iivny ...
                  1. Foxmara
                    Foxmara 21 January 2018 20: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    The boy decided to conceal the money from the state ... na-i-iivny ...

                    It seems to me that the man himself did not plan and did not expect, they just made him an offer, which he could not refuse (possibly even through blackmail). Therefore, everything is on the run, without a plan.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 21 January 2018 20: 18
                      +5
                      Quote: Foxmara
                      he was made an offer that he could not refuse

                      Are you on a proposal to move forward, or on EVRAZ bonds?
                2. NordUral
                  NordUral 23 January 2018 08: 54
                  0
                  Obviously your ass is quite in moderation under this high chair?
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                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 18 January 2018 20: 50
                  +5
                  Quote: Krabik
                  So Skomorokhov also harbored an insult for my comment n

                  Well, the thing is ... Everyone can offend an artist ... laughing
          2. Old
            Old 18 January 2018 15: 38
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            Your post also smacks of. And this is normal. Let people read and draw conclusions. However, you cite unconfirmed facts and thereby try to cast a shadow on the candidate. The approach is the same as in the story with 7 lard.
            When I first heard about them, I found the source, recounted and realized that it was a lie.
            And to most of your points, Grudinin answered yesterday.
            Grudinin is a good person, in my opinion. And things say the right thing. And it will be much more difficult for him to break his promises if elected.
            1. Alber
              Alber 19 January 2018 07: 04
              +7
              Quote: Old
              Grudinin is a good person, in my opinion. And things say the right thing. And it will be much more difficult for him to break his promises if elected.

              Trotsky was once a good man too. spoke correctly ...
              and then, with his Zionofascist brotherhood, he poured blood on Russia
            2. your1970
              your1970 19 January 2018 12: 25
              +5
              Quote: Old
              And things say the right thing. And it will be much more difficult for him to break his promises if elected.
              - what’s more difficult? "he’ll fall on the rails !!!" - if he violates it? Who will stop him (the newly elected president!) from changing anything: the Constitution, laws .. but just the chairman of the Central Executive Committee ("they are all too good !!" according to you) ..
              It’s business to stay for a second term (subject to election for the first!) ...
            3. Lev Bronsch
              Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 22: 18
              +4
              God, enlighten people !! Yes, a strawberry thief is a primitive mini-oligarchic who really wants to become real !! Everything, only loot interests him !! Have you even looked at the southwestern brothers, doesn’t remind anyone of anything ?? You don’t see that this suburban Muscovite is simply a screen, which promised a lot of dough so that he would bring to power a certain state council. But what is it, but who will enter it, for some reason, the strawberry is silent. You want the 90s to be remembered as a good fairy tale, I personally want a different one, and to my children !!
          3. Alexander Tsvetkov
            Alexander Tsvetkov 19 January 2018 09: 47
            +2
            I completely agree, everything is on the case. FOR. I do not understand this fact, having embarked on the path of the presidential race, how can I relax in the West
          4. Wayfarer
            Wayfarer 19 January 2018 19: 03
            +6
            Quote: Abracadabrus
            Well, on the Internet, the “daughter of officers” says a lot
            Who do you mean this, is it not by chance?
            The country is being robbed, oligarchs are being pulled offshore, the economy is in a systemic crisis, the people are impoverished and are dying.
            It is necessary to save the country and the people, and the only way out is to elect Grudinin as president of the Russian Federation.
            Putin has not fulfilled any promise, there is no faith in him, it will only get worse, he has driven the country into a dead end.
            All your slander against Grudinin is ridiculous and it makes no sense to read it. It is enough to see how Grudinin lives and how simple workers of the state farm live. Grudinin is good for the people and will save Russia by becoming president of the Russian Federation.
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            2. Alber
              Alber 22 January 2018 06: 44
              +2
              Quote: Traveler
              It is necessary to save the country and the people, and the only way out is to elect Grudinin as president of the Russian Federation.
              Putin has not fulfilled any promise, there is no faith in him, it will only get worse, he has driven the country into a dead end.

              And what did your sternum fulfill from the promised?
              1. sapporo1959
                sapporo1959 22 January 2018 10: 59
                +1
                Well, he hasn’t steered yet, and you already demand results. You still have to be more modest ..
                1. Alber
                  Alber 22 January 2018 19: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: sapporo1959
                  Well, he hasn’t steered yet, and you already demand results. You still have to be more modest ..

                  when your breast begins to steer, you can stay without the last pants ...
                  1. sapporo1959
                    sapporo1959 22 January 2018 20: 36
                    +1
                    Well, it’s easier for you to wear pants, but what do we do without pants? But we really want the same thing as you are in fashion, and even in the arrow ...
              2. Victor Demchenko
                Victor Demchenko 22 January 2018 15: 04
                +1
                built kindergartens, by the way, the best school in Europe. and what did the great Pu do?
                doubled the welfare of the Russians, as promised? I didn’t feel something, but contrary to his promises, gasoline doubled and tariffs didn’t grow at all — that’s it!
                1. Lev Bronsch
                  Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 22: 27
                  +4
                  Victor, are you a stupid person? who built the best school in Europe ?? Strawberry thief on his capital ??? This school was built at the expense of the budget of Moscow and federal subventions. Is the internet new to you, or the daughter of an officer?
            3. Lev Bronsch
              Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 22: 24
              +3
              That’s why, therefore, a thief who stole land in the form of shares in people, holds a fortune in offshore companies and makes family capital on a primitive sale of other people's property (the courts still come in handy), how he will become president, how he will fight offshore companies and oligarchs, but about Russia think hourly !! How old are you? Do you believe in fairy tales? So go to hohland - there is such a storyteller soon for 4 years as president. Says the people live right elegantly, in Paris and veins rides from Nice does not crawl out. Well, the president says it there, but the residents of Square, who work for me, say something completely different. No, well, the president easily spends $ 500 for 000 days of rest, they have documents, so to speak, but why do you need this? Have you decided to grab poverty yourself, or are you a Cossack mishandled?
          5. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 05
            +8
            Quote: Abracadabrus
            we don’t need such candidates for nothing.

            The flag is in your hands. Kiss further ass stealing power. But do not speak for the majority: your opinion is only yours. Someone will support you, some - no, but so far among the participants of various votes, on DIFFERENT (mind you!) Sites, it’s Grudinin who leads, and “Darkest”, although he comes second, but with a margin that does not allow him to do anything to count. So that the author is right - they will "draw" and very active!
            As for the "other, more important facts about which you state:
            Quote: Abracadabrus
            it was necessary to speak not about money, but
            - about how the "comrade" Grudinin took over the land plots of collective farmers (courts still go on);
            - about how collective farm land was sold at a surprisingly low price;
            - about how agricultural land is leased for warehouses and shopping centers;

            I allow myself to ask: are not these materials a malicious distortion of Reality with the help of mass media engaged by the authorities? Do you really consider it a coincidence that “all of a sudden” “began to see” right now, but while Grudinin did not make his political claims - did everyone bashfully “keep silent”? ..
            A lot can be said in response, but it is unlikely to “come”: you need to THINK with your head, and not just eat it. And to repeat, like an ass, after the authorities, their "dirty insinuations" - for this great mind is not necessary. In this regard, the role
            Quote: Abracadabrus
            "daughters of officers"
            It suits you much more. Good luck in chanting oligarchic power! hi
          6. Lev Bronsch
            Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 19: 53
            +3
            Correctly applied !! It’s one thing to criticize and propose, and it’s quite another to lick an ass to an unfinished thief near Moscow !!! Already found someone, shame !!
            1. Svist
              Svist 23 January 2018 20: 51
              +1
              Quote: Lev Bronsch
              and a completely different unfinished thief ass near Moscow lick !!!

              Need to finish lick? laughing
              And by the way, I received a warning for a less offensive expression, which has been hanging for the second year. Even on Victory Day there was no amnesty ... lol
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 18 January 2018 07: 20
        33
        Quote: nadezhiva

        Read about this source online: Open economy. Whose, let's say, is a shout.

        Why are you listening to enemy horns, and even forcing us to? You act like a provocateur!
        You are obviously a Confused. Therefore, let me throw you Western articles, where they speak well of your idol! Will this be enough for you to be disappointed in your leader?
        1. Romulus
          Romulus 18 January 2018 07: 23
          27
          Quote: Stas157
          Why are you listening to enemy horns, and even forcing us to? You act like a provocateur!

          The vest didn’t break the comrade patriot?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 18 January 2018 08: 10
            24
            Quote: Romulus
            The vest didn’t break the comrade patriot?

            If the word "provocateur" leads you to, for you, bad associations with revolutionary sailors, then replace it with the word "manipulator", the meaning will not change.
        2. SEER
          SEER 19 January 2018 07: 21
          +6
          Quote: Stas157
          ... You obviously are a Confused ...
          hang bad labels, sternum.
          I am. for example, I directly communicated with sternum and with his employees (including with Gaster, of whom there are many) - my voice will not be for him.
      3. Romulus
        Romulus 18 January 2018 07: 26
        16
        Quote: nadezhiva
        if the economy is falling and more taxes are being squeezed out of it, this is very bad,

        A cow needs to be milked more often and less often fed - super profitability however)
        1. tochila
          tochila 18 January 2018 19: 31
          +4
          And you also need to lease a colonel, a shepherd to outsource, reduce milkmaids (replace by robots) and get a profitable company (Sberbank, for example)
      4. Nagaibak
        Nagaibak 18 January 2018 18: 46
        +3
        [quote = nadezhiva "Read on the net about this source: OpenEconomy. Whose, let's say, is a shout"
        Yes, he is an agent of the CIA and spies.))) What is there to read.
    2. raw174
      raw174 18 January 2018 07: 47
      43
      Quote: populist
      The very imperious elite was frightened of the popular candidate, and even against the background of their failures.

      And who recorded it in the "folk"? What does this even mean: PEOPLE? People’s - if it is nominated by the meeting, and so it’s Zyuganovsky and comes from the party ...
      I have nothing against Grudinin, but Putin is just as popular, he has also left the Russian people ...
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 18 January 2018 08: 02
        37
        Well, if for you the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is the people, then ......
        1. raw174
          raw174 18 January 2018 09: 12
          19
          Quote: zoolu350
          Well, if for you the oligarchy of the Russian Federation is the people, then ......

          With what amount on the account do you propose people to write down? ..
          The very concept of PEOPLE implies an extension from the people! Let’s gather people in Kryzhopol in the square, eat, nominate Semenych, he will be popular, from the Kryzhopol people! And Grudinin from the Communist Party and Zyuganov ...
          1. zoolu350
            zoolu350 18 January 2018 09: 17
            18
            Less than 300000 rubles a month is the people, and more is unlikely. Grudinin not only from the Communist Party, but also from a wide range of other patriotic forces.
            1. raw174
              raw174 18 January 2018 09: 24
              12
              Quote: zoolu350
              Less than 300000 rubles a month is the people, and more is unlikely.

              Do you think Grudinin has less income? .. what I doubt it ...
              Quote: zoolu350
              Grudinin not only from the Communist Party, but also from a wide range of other patriotic forces.

              Duck all come from some kind of forces ... The same Putin from many many forces ...
              1. V
                V 18 January 2018 10: 52
                10
                Grudinin himself said, on Solovyov’s program, that his income was 20 + million rubles a year.
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 18 January 2018 10: 46
              +8
              Quote: zoolu350
              Less than 300000 rubles a month is a people,

              According to your assessment, Grudinin is not a people at all.
          2. Old
            Old 18 January 2018 15: 12
            16
            Quote: raw174
            The very concept of PEOPLE implies an extension from the people!

            Incidentally, the Communist Party itself is more than 160 tons. members, including people like J. Alferov. Plus the union of patriotic forces. What is not the people?
            The program is PEOPLE! There is a team of professionals. The country must be saved from thieves.
            1. okean969
              okean969 18 January 2018 15: 46
              +9
              I read the comments and slowly go nuts: The Russian brothers didn’t eat yourself, what Grudilin, look around, they drag the country into a real war, and you are talking about some Grudilin.
              1. a.sirin
                a.sirin 18 January 2018 17: 47
                +5
                Nobody drags, many really want to fight themselves. From hopelessness, from the lack of clearance in life, from the inability to do something that you really want - everyone has their own.
                So many began to think that war would help
              2. Andrew67
                Andrew67 19 January 2018 00: 27
                +5
                I support. Ludiiiii, come to your senses. What is now, excuse me, collective farm
            2. raw174
              raw174 19 January 2018 06: 03
              +3
              Quote: Old
              Incidentally, the Communist Party itself is more than 160 tons. members, including people like J. Alferov. Plus the union of patriotic forces. What is not the people?

              In this scenario, all candidates are popular. For Sopchak and others like her, too, people put signatures ...
              Quote: Old
              The country must be saved from thieves.

              I agree that you need to save from thieves, like 1000 and 100 and 10 years ago.
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 18
            +6
            Quote: raw174
            The very concept of PEOPLE implies an extension from the people!

            Here from this place, can I give more details?
            Who put forward Putin in 2000? Do not remember?
            After all, the main thing is to get into THERE, and it is impossible for an ordinary person "out of the people" to do this ... in the conditions of the modern electoral system and its administrative resource that insures it. So who put forward Putin? WHO do you call "people"?
            An honest person (and there are such people) can take such a place only if the previous System of Power is broken - otherwise, on the ground, he will receive the whole gamut, starting from silent sabotage by the power structures - and ending with open disobedience! Look at the USA? Even “almost mine”, from the rich, FAVORITES Trump cannot do anything with their System!
            So you would be better off not talking about “popular” Putin .. in today's situation, unfortunately, nothing will change - at least for the better, judging by the “ideas” that were voiced at the “Gaidar Gangway” wassat
            1. yehat
              yehat 22 January 2018 14: 29
              0
              and what's the point of putting a dark horse out of the people?
              a person must have some power and some interests, if not lobby, then at least represent. And when there is massive support, there are opportunities to go through all the requirements of the electoral commission, although the example of the anti-aircraft party shows how easy it is to ban those who are objectionable.
      2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 18 January 2018 08: 12
        26
        Quote: raw174
        And who recorded it in the "folk"? What does this even mean: PEOPLE? People’s - if it is nominated by the meeting, and so it’s Zyuganovsky and comes from the party ...

        Well, Grudinin paid Zyuganov his nomination. On the other hand, when did the Bolsheviks not take money from the bourgeoisie? Before the revolution, the Bolshevik Party lived on the contributions of the workers and the donations of the capitalists.
        1. dSK
          dSK 18 January 2018 09: 07
          26
          Aristarkh Ludwigovich!
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          paid Grudinin Zyuganov
          For 6 generations, “ideological” communists have dried up (Lenin-Stalin-Khrushchev-Brezhnev-Andropov-Gorbachev.) Yeltsin threw a party card at the congress. Grudinin - how chameleon, changes color, after six years the situation will change, what color it will be unknown. hi
          1. marline
            marline 18 January 2018 09: 45
            17
            Quote: dsk
            Grudinin - how chameleon, changes color, after six years the situation will change, what color it will be unknown. hi

            I remember a song:
            Komsomol rebuilt
            They got into show business,
            And one of them has its own organ
            He calls the company LIS'S.
            Became a capitalist
            Communist from Goskino:
            Instead of films about security officers
            Advertises on .. r .. but.

            Now, in our country, the capitalists are being rebuilt into communists. Survived ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 18 January 2018 11: 52
              10
              Quote: merlin
              Quote: dsk
              Grudinin - how chameleon, changes color, after six years the situation will change, what color it will be unknown. hi

              I remember a song:
              Komsomol rebuilt
              They got into show business,
              And one of them has its own organ
              He calls the company LIS'S.
              Became a capitalist
              Communist from Goskino:
              Instead of films about security officers
              Advertises on .. r .. but.

              Now, in our country, the capitalists are being rebuilt into communists. Survived...
              -And tired !! The people at the VO have apparently already forgotten so much who the Communists are, that such a union of a billionaire + CPRF seems normal to them ...
              Absolutely any other the party is social, liberal, Christian democrats, patriots of Russia, the party of pensioners, beer lovers, greens, Makhnovists - any other party - I agree, he would be at the place with his program, and maybe I would even vote for him ...
              But the communist !!! Well, the same hangover nonsense - the oligarch who came to power from the Communists !!!
              Here it is necessary either to rename them or to refuse it from billions ...
              To everyone who shouts - "But what should he be poor ?? There they say Lenin is a nobleman !!" I recall that by the time of VOSR, among its leaders, personally wealthy people DID NOT HAVE!!!

              And about the nationalization-classics:
              "Marx and Engels in the Manifesto Communist political party", -" the proletariat uses its political dominion in order to wresting all capital from the bourgeoisie step by step, centralizing all the instruments of production in the hands of the state, that is, the proletariat, organized as the ruling class, and it is possible to more rapidly increase the sum of productive forces ""
              1. marline
                marline 18 January 2018 12: 06
                17
                Quote: your1970
                But the communist !!! Well, the same hangover nonsense - the oligarch who came to power from the Communists !!!

                I read my thoughts directly. wink
                Just recently reviewed the film "Communist" 1957. - these were people and communists. And there were such! After Ostrovsky, Pavku Korchagin actually wrote with himself.
                Honestly, there would now be at least one candidate in the list of candidates, but one who was overwhelming, but a real communist - without hesitation would vote for him .... But to express support for this G ... - do not respect yourself.
                1. Captain45
                  Captain45 18 January 2018 12: 28
                  +8
                  Quote: merlin
                  Only recently reviewed the film "Communist" 1957g. - these were people and communists.

                  Quote: merlin
                  there would now be at least one candidate on the list of candidates, though he was overwhelming, but a real communist - without hesitation would vote for him .... But to express support for this G ... - do not respect yourself.

                  I fully support your opinion, I myself have never been a communist and so much more sympathetic to my fellow traveler, but my opinion about the communists is based on two images: one from the movie "Communist", I know the second one in my life, and when it comes to communists, I involuntarily compare the candidacy with these images, well, the current ones don’t pull, at least do something, at least an owl on a globe or a party card flat in the anus lol
              2. V. Salama
                V. Salama 18 January 2018 13: 37
                +6
                his 1970: "... the people in VO ... forgot and ... the billionaire + CPRF alliance seems normal ...
                This is precisely what is normal, because in VO they must understand that there is a specific logic of struggle. In difficult times for the country, different forces unite. So WOSR was carried out and other great revolutions. Then, of course, there was an internal disassembly - the foolish call it "the revolution devours its children." But so far we have elections on the nose, and not revolution. Everything is democratic and evolutionary, we hope it will continue to be so. Moreover, the driving force of the revolution is now gone. And we must remember that this is not the time of the USSR, when there was a single ideology and we voted for a person, forgot how to think correctly. Now we need to vote for the Program (project) that satisfies us and for the person who is ready to implement this project. Even Stalin said: I have no other ministers ... And with the help of those who were successfully solving problems.
              3. avva2012
                avva2012 18 January 2018 14: 33
                17
                "Marx and Engels in the" Manifesto "
                No time left. Absolutely. The Communist Party, it’s not the Communists, Grudinin, especially, but if you don’t remove, now, the financial / liberal elite from power, this will be the end. For 26 years, the country has not just joined the WTO, it has integrated into the system. We are dependent on Western elites, and they are ours. And global trends are such that there is an offensive of "industrial capital" on the "financial". Trump's victory, Brexit. The problem is that our "financiers" are not just tied to theirs, but are subordinate. The export of capital abroad, investment in securities, the destruction of industry, on the one hand, help them in the fight against "industrialists", and on the other hand, the destruction of domestic competitors.
                What will the country be left with after the liberals finish off their competitors? Therefore, now, as always, you have to choose from two evils. “Industrialists” will come and it will be beneficial for them to send the money to production, there will be development, there will be jobs, education and medicine will be tightened. Finally, without the proletariat, what kind of proletarian revolution? All will be.
                1. Old
                  Old 18 January 2018 15: 50
                  11
                  I support. Personality is not that important. Important concept and team. And the current team, as for the economy in full g ...
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 January 2018 16: 10
                    +5
                    This is not economics, this is not politics, it is a matter of survival.
              4. avia1991
                avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 28
                +5
                Quote: your1970
                But communist !!! Well, the same hangover nonsense - the oligarch who came to power from the Communists !!

                It comes not only from the Communists, if you have not noticed. And stop savoring this stuffing of fake media - the "oligarch"! Do you even know how to count? A read? Read the report on Grudinin's accounts abroad. And most importantly - WHEN they were open when they were closed .. You think he’d probably go .. that one who suddenly felt it, knowing the attitude in the West towards the money of Russians on their accounts, open a “billionth deposit” in a Western bank in early 2017- th year!
                By the way, there were 37 million rubles there. It was just that the media needed a “fried” digital - so they hastened to turn everything upside down. If that kind of money is an "oligarch" .. well, it remains only to shrug: "the world has gone mad" request
                1. your1970
                  your1970 21 January 2018 20: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: avia1991
                  if you haven’t noticed. And stop savoring this stuffing of fake media - the "oligarch"! Do you even know how to count? A read?
                  -and you did not notice that he has a 44% stake in the company. And to calculate - that 44% of the 7 billion worth of a closed joint-stock company is 3 billion worth of property (and it’s 52 million bucks, it’s a small one, but an oligarch). And he can realize this property at any time even without the consent of the other shareholders — the law on CJSC allows
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 23 January 2018 01: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: your1970
                    and you did not notice that he has a 44% stake in the company.

                    Do you remember what happened in the 90s in "business"? It would hardly have been possible to save the state farm, as I understand it, owned by a sickly multitude of hard workers: this could only be done by a person who is capable of organizing and snapping ... and correctly managing profits! And by the way, 44% is not a controlling stake, right?
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 January 2018 12: 05
            +7
            "Ideal" Communists
            and what did you exclude Putin from this list?
          3. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 18 January 2018 13: 43
            27
            Grudinin - like a chameleon, changes color, after six years the situation will change, what color he will be unknown.

            found something to reproach, Putin, too, the CPSU consisted, then in "our house is Russia", then in "EdRo", now opa - self-nominated
            1. kush62
              kush62 18 January 2018 16: 55
              10
              Bulrumeb Today, 13:43 PM ↑ New
              Grudinin - like a chameleon, changes color, after six years the situation will change, what color he will be unknown.
              found something to reproach, Putin, too, the CPSU consisted, then in "our house is Russia", then in "EdRo", now opa - self-nominated

              So these parties did not intersect. We walked one after another. And your comrade billionaire is jumping like a frog from one to another.
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        2. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 18 January 2018 09: 26
          23
          Well, Grudinin paid Zyuganov his nomination.
          Why lie? He really did not know until the last, because if everything had been planned in advance, he would have withdrawn money from behind the hill in a timely and quiet manner. Perhaps the head of government will turn out to be tolerable from him, so in this vein, it makes sense to vote for him. Of course, I’m not attracted to the president. Here it’s necessary to go from the opposite - if the Western degenerates are all screaming that Putin must leave, then he is doing everything right! (However, he won’t get my vote - I don’t believe him, who lied more than once).
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            1. Vasya Vassin
              Vasya Vassin 18 January 2018 13: 59
              +4
              Gold words! Join in
          2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 18 January 2018 10: 35
            +6
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Why lie? He really did not know until the last, because if everything had been planned in advance, he would have withdrawn money from behind the hill in a timely and quiet manner.

            You are very naive. Read articles about Grudinin.
            here for 2011 year
            https://versia.ru/obrazcovo-pokazatelnoe-selxozpr
            edpriyatie-rasplatilos-s-rabotnikami-klubnikoj-a-
            ne-dengami
            fresh article
            The Kazankovs are trying to promote the former member of United Russia, Pavel Grudinin, who was trying to become a member of the LDPR. They want to see a berry tycoon who cannot decide on a party affiliation in any way as a single candidate from the left. On the official website of the Kazankov family and in the newspaper “The Voice of Truth”, an active PR company of the “berry” tycoon Pavel Grudinin was in full swing. Former United Russia party, an unaccomplished member of the LDPR, Grudinin is now trying to crawl into the presidency of Russia as a single candidate from the left. Well, the Kazankovs are helping him diligently, calling him a worthy person, a strong business executive, etc., etc., etc. ... The Presidium of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation should formulate its recommendations to the Plenum of the Central Committee on the candidate for the President of the Communist Party and Grudinin - among the main contenders.

            Source: https://ch.versia.ru/kommunisty-otdayut-svoi-golo
            sa-perebezhchiku-iz-edinoj-rossii
          3. Loess
            Loess 18 January 2018 11: 54
            11
            Why lie? He really did not know until the last, because if everything had been planned in advance, he would have withdrawn money from behind the hill in a timely and quiet manner.
            But he didn’t bring them out now, they remained there over the hill and just passed them to their relative. He himself told journalists about this at a joint press conference with Zyuganov.
          4. MrK
            MrK 18 January 2018 14: 54
            11
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Of course, he’s not drawn to the president


            And what did the KGB club pull for when he was elected president?
            1. Viking
              Viking 18 January 2018 17: 44
              +6
              Before “him” was elected President of Russia, he managed to be the Chairman of the Government and the Director of the FSB.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 18 January 2018 19: 33
                14
                managed to visit
                That's exactly what to visit. For three years in five positions.
          5. Old
            Old 18 January 2018 16: 05
            +8
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Of course, he’s not drawn to the president

            When I listened to him about Ukraine, he reminded me of Gorbachev, such a cat Leopold ... And yesterday he already said that we need to recognize Donbass or include it in the Russian Federation. Comrades will train them (progress is already visible). Zyuganov understands politics correctly. Of course, it would be great to run it in place of the prime minister, but there is no such possibility. And you need to do something.
            And Grudinin’s brains work quickly, I noted yesterday. Faster than Trump for sure)
          6. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 19 January 2018 17: 37
            +1
            Quote: Antianglosaks
            Perhaps the head of government will make him bearable

            that is, replace the “iPhone” with Grudinin? Well, in principle, "bash on bash" ... but what's the point? request
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 18 January 2018 10: 49
          +9
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Well, Grudinin paid Zyuganov his nomination.

          Yes, they are all there - women with low social responsibility, for loot someone and how you want to set up. Ugh ... belay
      3. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 09: 11
        36
        raw174 Today, 07:47 ↑ New
        And who recorded it in the "folk"? What does this even mean: PEOPLE? People’s - if it is nominated by the meeting, and so it’s Zyuganovsky and comes from the party ...
        I have nothing against Grudinin, but Putin is just as popular, he has also left the Russian people ...
        I also don’t understand with what fright Grudinin entered the “popular” candidates? I personally am extremely unpleasant to him and I definitely do not want to see him as president. Or are we now comrade "populist" speaking on behalf of the whole people?
        I repeat, I do not like what is happening inside the country. I do not like domestic politics, I do not like the so-called "reforms" in education, medicine, and the economy. BUT, no Grudinin will solve these problems from the word at all. He has no chance of this in the current system. Behind him there is no real power, neither the army, nor the police, nor the FSB, nor any other power system, which means he is NOBODY and there is NO call him. And he will dance to the tune of the oligarchs even more than Putin does now. Moreover, he is new to politics, why do we need a first grader? He’ll just be devoured.
        So there is no need here to broadcast on behalf of the whole people. To me personally, such a candidate, and even a weather vane in addition, is not needed for nothing!
      4. freddyk
        freddyk 18 January 2018 11: 10
        18
        Quote: raw174
        And who recorded it in the "folk"? What does this even mean: PEOPLE? People’s - if it is nominated by the meeting, and so it’s Zyuganovsky and comes from the party ...


        I’ll try to explain to you. People’s, because its popularity was raised by the people from 10% in December to, on average on an Internet, 50%, its people were untwisted. Almost no one knew him in December, and now almost everyone knows about him. What, thanks to the media? No, the media did not care about him at all. And now they only talk about him, as we say. And all this is thanks to the people, therefore popular. And then he is not from the Communist Party, he is a single candidate from all the left forces of Russia.
        1. raw174
          raw174 18 January 2018 14: 29
          +8
          Quote: freddyk
          People’s, because its popularity was raised by the people from 10% in December to, on average on an Internet, 50%, its people were untwisted.

          Where are the numbers from? Poll in VK? Although no, there are schoolchildren, there is Sapchak and Navalny, here is "My World" at the time)))
          Quote: freddyk
          and now almost everyone knows about him.

          Of course, he began to label Presidents, and so he gained fame ... But it’s possible that the people whom the people have put forward, and Zyuganov put it forward, are popular
          Quote: freddyk
          And then he is not from the Communist Party, he is a single candidate from all the left forces of Russia.

          Wait, but he’s coming from the Communist Party to the elections ... Who supports him and is ill with his soul is the third thing.
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 18 January 2018 14: 42
            +7
            Quote: raw174
            Where are the numbers from? Poll in VK? Although no, there are schoolchildren, there is Sapchak and Navalny, here is "My World" at the time)))


            president-rf.ru, videomiting.ru, YOUR CHOICE2018.RF at least, and polls on Vesti Rossiya radio with Solovyov, on Zkho Moskvy say the same
          2. V. Salama
            V. Salama 19 January 2018 19: 24
            +2
            Quote: raw174
            ... But the people may be the one whom the people put forward, and Zyuganov put forward it ...

            A highly controversial statement. In a country like Russia, the people have no opportunity to nominate at all, but only to choose from among the nominated, including self-nominated. Or are the people only representatives of the party whose ideology you share?
        2. Viking
          Viking 18 January 2018 17: 46
          +2
          Did you manage without media? Is the Internet not the media?
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 35
            +3
            Quote: Viking
            Is the Internet not the media?

            Of course not. Read the definition of what media is. The Internet is a data network. hi
      5. ds269
        ds269 18 January 2018 12: 35
        18
        In your opinion, Medvedev, that he had been covering Putin for a whole period, was also elected by the people. Putin - Yeltsin's henchman and his clique
        1. raw174
          raw174 18 January 2018 14: 35
          +6
          Quote: ds269
          In your opinion, Medvedev, that he had been covering Putin for a whole period, was also elected by the people. Putin - Yeltsin's henchman and his clique

          Nobody christened them folk, none of them calls themselves PEOPLE. In general, yes, the people really vote, I worked in the PEC for 4 years, I personally counted the ballots in ballot boxes, the result of the vote is always the same, EdRO REALLY wins. I’ll even answer why, because not a single party goes to the village anymore, more people don’t see anyone, and EdRo visits every month, they help many people with targeted assistance. You can call it a bribe, but no one else. Maybe people see someone else in the cities, maybe they are against it, but they don’t go to the polls ...
          1. Old
            Old 18 January 2018 16: 22
            +8
            Something new about EdRo and the village)
            That's about the LDPR heard two stories from real people.
            EdRo wins purely on fraud, they have not had support from "PEOPLE" for a long time. Therefore, Putin himself is a nominee.
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 40
            +3
            [quote = raw174] personally considered ballot papers in ballot boxesvoting result always alone, EdRO REALLY wins. [/ Quote]
            So, "opened the face of Gyulchatai!" laughing ..
            Once I touched it - how to fall out in the mud! I don’t know, maybe you were "lucky" with the station that the majority voted for Edro ..
            But in general, yes, you are right: “the result is always the same”, and he is predestinated!
        2. Viking
          Viking 18 January 2018 17: 47
          +1
          It’s strange. Henchman? And the fact that people have repeatedly voted for him in the presidential election is no longer considered to be?
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 19 January 2018 19: 56
            +2
            Quote: Viking
            It’s strange. Henchman? And the fact that people have repeatedly voted for him in the presidential election is no longer considered to be?

            Of course it is. Being elected for a second term, he legitimized himself, securing the support of the people, crushed the oligarchs of the first wave slightly, set about forming a legitimate oligarchy through "privatization on special conditions" (I don’t think that you are participating in it, but it continues to go at full speed, however). The people that, he is inert, after EBN was in shock for a long time, he was glad that even a young one came, non-drinker. It is necessary to understand this. History teaches (on the example of Lyon weavers) that class consciousness can be formed within 200 years, and here the whole people, you know. But, the guarantor is a protege! and there’s nothing strange, because they put it. I myself read in the newspaper (I give a tooth) I don’t remember in which (KP, AiF options, others I read little) an article by a strange philosopher named Tsipko, a formerly convinced communist, who then found himself in the upper echelon of liberal circles and close to the body of the EBN. So in the article, he claims (because of the simplicity of his soul, his comrades probably piled on him for this puncture was not sickly) that he was personally present at the EBN telephone conversation with the Americans, in which he was begging them to be allowed to be replaced by Putin. At the same time, he argued that he loves America. And at one time, in one of the speeches, the guarantor proudly denounced that in Europe the entire top leadership of countries is being approved for posts in the United States. Clearly, he is the only president who did not go there for the label to reign.
      6. udincev
        udincev 18 January 2018 13: 27
        10
        Quote: raw174
        and so he is Zyuganovsky and comes from the party ...

        Another manipulism stupidly sold (or because of ignorance, misunderstanding) by unsuitable analysts-hangers-shapers.
        Everyone knows (and says) that the party nominated - a fact. Another fact is ignored: the candidate may not be “popular”, but from the PDS of the NPSR (which includes the Communist Party - the most famous, popular, and the only one of them is the parliamentary party). In addition, Grudinin from the PDS comes with a team and an agreed program - this is somehow not spoken out by "analysts and commentators of a Russian scale."
        1. raw174
          raw174 18 January 2018 14: 38
          +3
          Quote: udincev
          the candidate may not be "popular"

          That's because of this and cheese, I just asked you not to call him PEOPLE, you agreed with me, After all, the masses also support Putin, but neither he nor the people call him people ...
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 January 2018 15: 16
            15
            The masses also support Putin
            May your Putin come to the debate, will the people support him for a long time after these debates?
            1. Viking
              Viking 18 January 2018 18: 38
              +8
              So Putin holds “direct lines” every year and meetings with the press where he answers dozens of questions. And with whom should he debate? With Sobchachka or Zhirik? Is this his level?
            2. raw174
              raw174 19 January 2018 06: 07
              +3
              Quote: Gardamir
              May your Putin come to the debate, will the people support him for a long time after these debates?

              But among all the world leaders, only he has such an experience in dealing with citizens and the press of all stripes ... Why not debate? But they ask both uncomfortable and difficult questions ...
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 47
            +6
            Quote: raw174
            neither himself nor his entourage call the people ...

            Really? .. So why did his campaign headquarters rip ass on a rose, collecting signatures for it? "Putin is our President!" - all pillars in Russia are hung with this! All the media just talk about his "closeness to the people," desperate to show that "everything is only for him!" WHAT FOR? Moreover, about the other candidates - SILENCE, or negative ..
            Once again I ask: WHY? Confident of popular support, the President will not stoop to such a dirty game .. request
        2. Viking
          Viking 18 January 2018 17: 50
          10
          And the program is "we are for all good and against all bad"? In general, as they say "panda get!". Somewhere already recently, this was and one "people's" oligarch became president. Since then they have healed. Exclusively on foreign tranches.
      7. Zefr
        Zefr 19 January 2018 08: 46
        +3
        Quote: raw174

        And who recorded it in the "folk"? What does this even mean: PEOPLE? People’s - if it is nominated by the meeting, and so it’s Zyuganovsky and comes from the party ...

        He is nominated by the assembly. And not Zyuganov personally. Simply Zyuganov has the right, as the leader of the Duma party, to nominate him. In another case, it would be necessary to carry out a common single candidate from the opposition as a self-nominated candidate, and this is a different procedure.
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 18 January 2018 09: 01
      40
      I looked through the Internet, took the headings of articles about Grudinin. Positive is missing something. The media write the following:
      "The Russians have decided: Grudinin will not rule their country"
      "Laundry for the candidate. How Pavel Grudinin hid money"
      "For what purpose the Grudinin project was created"
      "Grudinin wants to fraternize with Ukraine and labor migrants. Why?"
      "Critical analysis" 20 steps of Pavel Grudinin "
      "Why did Grudinin have to personally go to Austria to close his transit account?"
      "Hell's circus. Like the death of a supporter did not prevent the" triumph "of Grudinin"
      "Pavel Grudinin and his puppeteers: The Washington Post burned the office."
      "Compromising evidence on Grudinin is a guarantee that he will not go beyond"
      "Who are you, Mr. Grudinin: why did questions about the candidate scare the Communist Party?"
      "Zhirinovsky spoke about Grudinin's foreign assets"
      "Users of social networks criticized Pavel Grudinin"
      "Left wealth. Where did the Communist candidate 7,5 get billions of rubles?"
      "Grudinin fell into a grand scandal"
      "Communist capitalist: how the Grudinin conference failed"
      "VTsIOM announced a downgrade of Grudinin"
      "Who is behind the nomination of Grudinin?"
      "An expert on reducing the rating of support for Pavel Grudinin: It is unlikely that he will gain at least some votes"
      "The Communist Party saw the light: the Communists regretted the nomination of Grudinin"
      One to one - the plot of the story of Mark Twain "How I ran for governor."
      Do you remember the signature at the end of the story? ““ With perfect reverence, your once honest man, and now: the Vile Oathbreaker, the Montana Thief, the Tomb Defiler, the Blue Devils, the Dirty Dodger and the Sneaky Blackmailer Mark Twain. ”
      In fact, our media should thank Grudinin. Indeed, unlike the literary hero of Mark Twain, Grudinin is not going to withdraw his candidacy. So our journalists can earn a lot of money - another two months you can water with mud. It’s easy to get rich.
      1. udincev
        udincev 18 January 2018 13: 34
        10
        Quote: Reserve officer
        In fact, our media should thank Grudinin. Indeed, unlike the literary hero of Mark Twain, Grudinin is not going to withdraw his candidacy. So our journalists can earn a lot of money - another two months you can water with mud. It’s easy to get rich.

        Everything is very correctly noticed, wonderful analytics. "Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye"
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 21 January 2018 00: 51
        +4
        Quote: Reserve officer
        our journalists can still earn a lot of money - another two months you can water with mud. It’s easy to get rich.

        Bravo, Alexey! good
        I just can’t like you: calmly and without emotion .. a hand reaches for a saber! lol
    4. Finches
      Finches 18 January 2018 09: 05
      37
      Until really populists appear in the camp of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I personally will never vote for them, because it’s a perdimonocle, when an oligarch who has “only” 7 billion rubles in different currencies proves to the electorate that he is for that would not be rich, shaking a portrait of the Leader of the revolution! laughing Just for one reason - I’m still not quite going. Look! Joseph Vissarionovich, had a couple of tarpaulin and a jacket - is a Bolshevik, and Grudinin, who is spending the New Year holidays in Germany, is much less attractive in my eyes than Putin is relaxing in Khakassia!
      1. Smog
        Smog 18 January 2018 10: 11
        14
        Quote: Finches
        Until the Communist Party camp appears

        I do not know why? But it seems to me that in this camp The Communist Party of the Narodnik will never appear from the word at all. The Communists have to shake their camp by 90 percent. Better less, but better (IMHO)
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 January 2018 10: 29
          16
          I’ll tell you more - the use of the word “Communist” in the name of my “brand” - initially misleads us all, to put it mildly, playing bright memories of life in the Soviet Union!
          Even by definition it is known that Communism implies the presence of highly developed productive forces, the absence of a division of society into social classes, states and money; all this is based on the abolition of private ownership of the means of production. That is, the owner Grudinin clearly does not fit into the basic concept of the communist idea! So why make a garden?
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 10: 41
            24
            Zyablitsov Today, 10: 29 ↑
            That is, the owner Grudinin clearly does not fit into the basic concept of the communist idea! So why make a garden?
            Eugene, my respect! hi I will tell you more, Zyuganov himself and his comrades do not fit into the concept of communism. Once upon a time I believed them, but after Zyuganov’s betrayal in 1996, when he merged with EBN and all of us, I would personally have strangled this reptile.
            Zyuganov, this Judas is parasitic in the name of the real Communists. I generally am silent about Grudinin, yesterday he was for the whites, today for the reds, and tomorrow God alone knows who he will be. On * the device, I saw such a president ...
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 18 January 2018 11: 06
              +7
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              Zyuganov, this Judas is parasitic in the name of the real Communists. I generally am silent about Grudinin, yesterday he was for the whites, today for the reds, and tomorrow God alone knows who he will be. On * the device, I saw such a president ...

              good Well said. I watched their crap, disgrace, they couldn’t connect two words, Pasha Klubnichkin mumbled like a heifer, and Zyu was hiding behind the rules with no regulations and did not really answer.
              1. Svist
                Svist 18 January 2018 15: 18
                +5
                Lying then why?
            2. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 11: 06
              +6
              Alexey! hi
              1996, it was just for Zyuganov who voted and generally voted for the last time ... Because in the "city" the word "electorate" I clearly felt - "puppet" ... laughing
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 21 January 2018 01: 01
                +6
                Quote: Finches
                just for Zyuganov voted and generally voted for the last time ..

                What is the point then screaming about the "damned communists"? Since you did NOT vote, it means that you gave your right to express an opinion to those who participate in the vote! So there’s nothing to cheat on the topic “Who is better for Russia”! With the “help” of such “ignorers”, those who are there come to power - having, in fact, from 30 to 40%, at best, support, of the total number of people who have the right to vote! WHAT IS Proud OF ?!
                I apologize for the harshness, but the fact is "in the face": if EVERYTHING came and voted, in Yaroslavl, for example, Putin would not have passed, and EdRo too. Even with a 40% turnout (!!! even less), the result had to be very "pulled". It was in 2011-12.
          2. Smog
            Smog 18 January 2018 12: 32
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            use in the name of your "brand"

            That's exactly what just a brand., Even without quotes. They play on the nostalgia of the popular masses, although in essence the Communist Party of the Russian Federation now, of course, I may be wrong, at the moment it is more reminiscent of e-SDs.
            But changing the name is fraught for the party with a loss of the electorate. A purchase a new ???? Hmm, very problematic. Although there are ideological communists in their ranks, in the original sense of the word, so to speak.
          3. Captain45
            Captain45 18 January 2018 12: 35
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            Even by definition it is known that Communism implies the presence of highly developed productive forces, the absence of a division of society into social classes, states and money; all this is based on the abolition of private ownership of the means of production. That is, the owner Grudinin clearly does not fit into the basic concept of the communist idea! So why make a garden?

            "Without theory, we need death, death, death" IV Stalin "Economic issues of socialism." What are you talking about, colleague, about which concept of the idea? The mass of the word doesn’t know this, the concept. It will attract more for insulting. The people know more than 160 characters in the gadget and can’t read. What they put into the gadget, that's what they say. Weaned to think, evaluate, and now they don’t want to. Who earlier and louder shouted after that herd and will go. "DBL, BLT". (C) S. Lavrov
          4. Old
            Old 18 January 2018 16: 41
            +9
            The Chinese were not prevented by communist ideology. This is a word.
            And the goals and objectives declared by the coalition are the most urgent.
            For their sake, people abandoned ideological disputes.
            I would give Zyuganov the opportunity to rehabilitate.
            I, like most ordinary people, have nothing to lose.
            1. stylet
              stylet 19 January 2018 03: 39
              +3
              There is no communism in China, but we all have something to lose - our homeland.
          5. Nehist
            Nehist 19 January 2018 05: 41
            +3
            Every communist, if he is a true communist, must understand that equality in the sphere of consumption and individual life is pathetic, petty-bourgeois nonsense!
            (I.V. Stalin)
        2. Alber
          Alber 22 January 2018 19: 24
          +1
          Quote: Smog
          The Communists have to shake their camp by 90 percent.

          go 99% off
      2. uskrabut
        uskrabut 18 January 2018 10: 45
        15
        Quote: Finches
        than Putin vacationing in Khakassia!


        Are you seriously? Have you completely forgotten about PR?
        I’ll say something about popular candidates, it’s better to have a well-off person, he even knows the value of money. And the rogue, seized upon power, will begin to row under him until the spade is taken away! I have seen such people as seizing power, they completely forget about people! I really do not believe in the honesty and decency of man in power.
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 January 2018 11: 13
          11
          Therefore, I will not change anything and I will not - personally I am satisfied with the GDP at 100%!
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 18 January 2018 12: 08
          15
          Poroshenko in Ukraine seized upon the government stopped rowing with a shovel? There he generally rows with an excavator, and Grudinin is the same oligarch. Only the volumes are different. Or now his business, or all of Russia will work for him
      3. freddyk
        freddyk 18 January 2018 11: 20
        17
        Quote: Finches
        the oligarch, who has “only” 7 billion rubles in various currencies, proves to the electorate with foam at his mouth that he wouldn’t be rich by shaking the portrait of the Leader of the Revolution!


        Now you understand that you now look just stupid, as you repeat the parrot. something that has long been refuted, and then you would before pouring bile into buckets, even if you read the program, it doesn’t have “That would not be rich”. It has "Whatever the Poor" And these are two big differences .. And do not compare it with Stalin, he is not Stalin (for now, at least). By the methods of Stalin, taking power is considered premature. There is a chance to take it absolutely legally
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 January 2018 11: 29
          15
          Man, take it easy on the bends! Grudinin, a communist like me, the Pope, no matter what is written in his program! To compose beautiful slogans about “equality and fraternity”, any other nonsense about “social justice”, you don’t need a lot of mind ... Especially when there is money earned by “honest” work for the benefit of capitalism!
          I mean, you don’t need to rub points on the people! However, you’ve bought it, so it’s not for nothing that the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is spawning eggs, writhing from itself the defenders of all the poor and oppressed! laughing
          And I’m sorry, I have long gone out of childhood to believe in stories!
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 18 January 2018 11: 53
            16
            Quote: Finches
            Grudinin, a Communist like me, Pope


            I agree, so he was never a communist. In fact, he is a Social Democrat. Personally, I found out about his state farm (yes, ZAO, as we have with capitalism since the 91st, and state farms cannot be a priori) two years ago, and was simply shocked by what I saw. Therefore, I know that he does not push slogans, but does the real thing. How he kept his state farm (his own, it’s his homeland) I will not say, if interested, everything is in the public domain. And he was not nominated by the Communist Party, but nominated by the entire left front through elections. I know only one thing - Grudinin has already done a lot for the people, albeit only for his workers, and this, being in constant confrontation with the authorities, doesn’t want people to fit into the system. So the system should break it, but it does not break. And if you help him. he is capable of much, I believe in him. And Zyuganov, yes tfu on him. He wants to rake the heat with his own hands. But at least some benefit from him, yet he has political weight.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 11: 58
              14
              So why the hell am I supposed to change one Social Democrat for another? Yes, and I just like Putin more than Grudinin - that's all! GDP is the authority in the world, and, God forbid, they choose Grudinin - that’s how everyone will laugh, changed the brutal KGB-shnik to the strawberry king! And I don’t like to laugh at Russia ...
              1. freddyk
                freddyk 18 January 2018 12: 03
                16
                Quote: Finches
                Yes, and I just like Putin more than Grudinin - that's all!

                This is where we would start. Everyone has their own preferences. But to write a deliberate lie and water the dirt, but the opponent would not be worth it. I’m not lying to Putin, I praise Grudinin. So you praise Putin for health.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 January 2018 12: 17
                  11
                  How did I slander Grudinin? Called him a rich man? Is that not true? laughing
                  1. freddyk
                    freddyk 18 January 2018 12: 29
                    11
                    Quote: Finches
                    How did I slander Grudinin? Called him a rich man? Is that not true?


                    the oligarch, who has “only” 7 billion rubles in various currencies, proves to the electorate with foam at his mouth that he wouldn’t be rich by shaking the portrait of the Leader of the Revolution - this is pure lie
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 18 January 2018 12: 37
                      +6
                      This is not a lie, but an expression! And she emphasizes reality - a private owner is nominated for the presidency using a communist platform! So there is no lie ...
                      If so he already itches to raise Russia from its knees, then he could run as an independent candidate, and not mow under the proletariat ... laughing
                      1. freddyk
                        freddyk 18 January 2018 12: 45
                        11
                        Quote: Finches
                        private owner is nominated for President using a communist platform!


                        And what's the crime? We have ALL private owners in our country. Or maybe you are for a homeless candidate?
                      2. master35
                        master35 19 January 2018 00: 25
                        +8
                        If you understand the essence of the question - HOW he was nominated by the Communist Party, it turns out that Grudinin is one of the compromise candidates put forward not only by the Communist Party, but also by all nationally and socially oriented parties and movements. And not just one of the candidates, but also chosen democratically to run for president of Russia. Strongly contradictory forces with respect to the past of the country converged on one, the main thing - the destructive policies of the current government and the urgent need to replace parasitism on the people with creation!
              2. Klaus
                Klaus 18 January 2018 14: 17
                18
                And they are laughing at Russia: in a particularly cynical form. They laugh at the thieving "elite" when they arrest a senator with suitcases of money, laugh at athletes and dope, at smoking Kuzey, at counter-sanctions with Belarusian shrimp ... what’s it: foreigners openly laugh at expired propagandists in a zombie dog at a talk show all of us.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 18 January 2018 15: 05
                  +3
                  I do not think so!
                  1. alexhol
                    alexhol 18 January 2018 16: 26
                    +4
                    Klaus is right. If you don’t want Polish apples, hold on to Belarus, don’t want to fly to Egypt from Moscow — we are welcome from Minsk, there are no direct trains to Ukraine — two Russians were traveling with me in a compartment (train Minsk – Lviv). They are always ready to put “shoulder to a friend” so to speak. Well, we don’t understand, we are Belarusians who have the famine of the war years in their genes, how to bury food !!!
              3. Greenwood
                Greenwood 18 January 2018 16: 23
                19
                Quote: Finches
                Yes, and I just like Putin more than Grudinin - that's all!
                Kindergarten, chesslovo. lol
                Quote: Finches
                GDP in authority in the world, but, God forbid, they will choose Grudinin - so everyone will laugh
                Your brutal KGB officer dumped from the KGB back in the 90th year. And then he became an honorary porter of the portfolio for Sobchak. That's for sure the authority. Yes, you look at his interview from the 90s, sits stuttering, endlessly thanks the high uncles, dragging him to another high position. Is it your authority?
                Quote: Finches
                a brutal KGB man, to the strawberry king! But I don’t like it when people laugh at Russia ...
                Zyablitsev, you are comparing Putin, behind whose back 18 years in power and over whose image a bunch of people have been working, and Grudinin, who has never held important government posts. But for some reason it seems to me that if we compare Putin's model of 1999 and modern Grudinin, then the first will be simply miserable against the background of the second.
              4. VVK_VDB
                VVK_VDB 20 January 2018 20: 45
                +5
                A little nuance - Putin is a glossy cover, behind which Chubais stands, on which there is no place to put stamps, the crazy Kudrin with Gref, and the accountant Nabiulin, and the rest of the liberal gop company. Putin's time has expired if he is elected, and it is very likely that in six years everyone will spit on his behalf.
            2. marline
              marline 18 January 2018 13: 26
              +9
              Quote: freddyk
              How did he keep his state farm(it’s his own, this is his homeland) I will not say, if it’s interesting, everything is in the public domain.

              But really how? After all, you have already collected the Old "about the great business manager Grudinin," so I think it will not be difficult for you to tell us: what is the number of cattle in the state farm named after him. Lenin? What are the milk yields? How many hectares are planted with wheat, rye and oats? What is the yield - how many centners per hectare are collected?
              Or Grudinin still just primitive rentier living from the rent of large shopping malls located on land privatized by him?
              The latter believe more)))
              1. freddyk
                freddyk 18 January 2018 14: 30
                17
                Quote: merlin
                Or is Grudinin still just a primitive rentier living from the rent of large shopping malls located on the land privatized by him? Recently, more is believed)))

                It is clear that the lion's share of the wealth of Grudinin himself and the welfare of the workers of the state farm are based on the lease of leased land belonging to the state farm. I repeat; TO THE EMPLOYEE EVERYTHING IS EQUAL, WITH WHICH ARTICLE OF INCOME THEM, THEIR HEAD WILL PAY A WAY OF DUE. PLAT.CONSTRUCT HOME, KINDERGARTEN SCHOOLS I am saying that, having all the resources laid down in our state, Grudinin may be able to increase the well-being of the population, including the rural, albeit through subsidies

                PS And what Putin doesn’t lease land from us, doesn’t sell natural resources? Sells and rents, only the funds from this are distributed very one-sidedly.
                1. marline
                  marline 18 January 2018 15: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: freddyk
                  It is clear that the lion's share of the wealth of Grudinin himself and the welfare of the workers of the state farm are based on the lease of the leased land belonging to the state farm.

                  Here I propose to dwell on this. Grudinin is a rentier, not a business executive. Therefore, he will continue to follow the same logic - to sell, sell, sell, because he can’t do anything more ... At least because Grudinin did not create any successful enterprise at the state farm for the money raised from rent — that is, he does not invest, does not invest in production, but to live in the UAE or, in McCain's words to the “country of gas station” - eating up the wealth of the bowels, and I don’t want to. Those. this one:
                  Quote: freddyk
                  I mean that, having all the resources laid down in our state, Grudinin may be able to increase the well-being of the population, including the rural, albeit due to subsidies

                  It’s not necessary for nothing. For and this is hardly possible, because the UAE is warm ...
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 18: 56
                    +5
                    Quote: merlin
                    Here I propose to dwell on this. Grudinin is a rentier, not a business executive. Therefore, he will continue to follow the same logic - to sell, sell, sell, because he can’t do anything more ... At least because Grudinin did not create any successful enterprise at the state farm for the money raised from rent — that is, he does not invest, does not invest in production

                    Another lie, here's to expand your horizons - a report on a robotic dairy farm at the state farm, perhaps the first and only in the country
                    1. marline
                      marline 19 January 2018 09: 23
                      +1
                      And where is the milk from that one dairy farm in Russia?
                  2. master35
                    master35 19 January 2018 00: 36
                    +6
                    Out of approximately 2200 hectares of land (I don’t remember more precisely, I might be a little mistaken), about 300 are leased out (those at the Moscow Ring Road where you yourself understand that there will be harm from the exhaust of nearby cars). The rest is grown a lot of things, potatoes, beets, carrots, apples, and yes the same strawberries, which occupies only a small fraction of all income, but about which a lot of "buzz", calling a strawberry oligarch. And yes, there are cows, 500 animals, give a little more than 9000 liters per year of milk, and the farm has the most advanced equipment. But these same all need at least to take an interest, study the issue. It’s easier to water based on your preferences!
                    P.S. And yes, he has a 44% stake in Lenin State Farm CJSC, but the charter states that dividends are not paid, but are used to increase salaries, additional payments to pensioners, and the development of the enterprise. And he lives in the same house with tractor drivers, turners, etc.
                    1. marline
                      marline 19 January 2018 09: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: master35
                      Out of approximately 2200 hectares of land (I don’t remember more precisely, I might be a little mistaken), about 300 are leased out (those at the Moscow Ring Road where you yourself understand that there will be harm from the exhaust of nearby cars). The rest is grown a lot of things, potatoes, beets, carrots, apples, and yes the same strawberries, which occupies only a small fraction of all income, but about which a lot of "buzz", calling a strawberry oligarch. And yes, there are cows, 500 animals, give a little more than 9000 liters per year of milk, and the farm has the most advanced equipment. But these same all need at least to take an interest, study the issue.

                      I won’t believe it, but I asked. Link to the website of ZAO "State Farm named after Lenin" - http://sovhozlenina.ru/price/
                      In the section "products" there is no information about meat and dairy products of the state farm. They are apparently selling milk and meat somewhere to the side.
                      Regarding the lease of land near the Moscow Ring Road, because there exhausts and strawberries can not be particularly pleased to grow. From Yandex-cards, the road to Domodedovo Airport:
                      To the left of the trees is a strawberry field. Previously, in the summer it was possible to admire guests from the sunny south working for food. Now there is a frail fence, so you will not admire it, but the number of cars has increased.
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 19 January 2018 12: 32
                      +2
                      9000 milk is only 2 (!!!) milk carriers per year (!!!) with 500 cows, less than 20 liters from the nose (assuming all 500 cows !! Without cows, the cows do not milk lol ) is the level of average rural economy WITHOUT modern equipment. The average milk yield with ADVANCED equipment should be from 40 to 60 liters per day
                      1. Stirbjorn
                        Stirbjorn 19 January 2018 13: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        9000 milk is only 2 (!!!) milk carriers per year (!!!) with 500 cows, less than 20 liters from the nose (assuming all 500 cows !! cows do not milk without bulls) - this is the level of average rural economy WITHOUT modern equipment. Average milk yield with ADVANCED technology should be from 40 to 60 liters per day

                        Well, the blogger who visited there not so long ago claims that
                        Each cow of the Lenin State Farm produces an average of 32,5 liters of premium milk per day - a high figure even by European standards. Cows go milking three times a day. The process of obtaining milk is robotic and automated, however, not only the machine, but also the person monitors the condition of the animal during milking.
                        Completely here, with photos https://novikovski.livejournal.com/587882.html
                        Apparently, master35 meant that 9000 liters per cow per year. It is quite a normal result for our climatic conditions, although if 32.5 * 356 = 11570, but not a specialist, perhaps the cows are not milked for a full year. By the way, in Israel they write that they have 11, 343 liters a year and are probably cooler than in Europe
                    3. Sewer krainiy
                      Sewer krainiy 20 January 2018 16: 18
                      +1
                      Sorry, but I’ll correct you a little: there are cows, 500 animals, give a little more than 9000 liters per year of milk, must be added - from one cow.
          2. Old
            Old 18 January 2018 19: 24
            13
            Communist, capitalist? Who cares? If he says the right thing!
            Should corruption be fought?
            Do you need to plant thieves?
            Should bankers be forced to invest in their own production?
            Do you believe Putin will do this?
            A serious course adjustment is needed.
            And Grudinin is not a balobol, his state farm is confirmation of this.
            1. marline
              marline 19 January 2018 09: 27
              +5
              Quote: Old
              Communist, capitalist? Who cares? If he says the right thing!

              Star language - do not toss bags.)))
              By your logic, you need to choose poets for president - that’s who can speak beautifully and in poetry!
              Quote: Old
              And Grudinin is not a balobol, his state farm is confirmation of this.

              The state farm lives with land rents - the land near the Moscow Ring Road is too painful. As one commentator noted at VO here: "do you think the Grudinin MKAD will extend to Vladivostok?"
              1. master35
                master35 21 January 2018 21: 57
                +2
                Here you can see about the land rent on which ZAO "state farm named after Lenin" lives. One nuance of the video was shot in 2013, this is to say that the salaries announced in the video were then. And in other matters, if you delve into, inquire, the situation has become better.

                1. marline
                  marline 22 January 2018 10: 37
                  +2
                  Advertising - such an advertisement)))
                  Here, in the comments, figures were already cited, according to which the enterprise ZAO Lenin State Farm was unprofitable.
                  But you can continue to believe the ad, do not forget to put on a foil hat)
          3. avia1991
            avia1991 23 January 2018 01: 26
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            I mean, you don’t need to rub points on the people!

            laughing Excuse me, is your Putin doing this every day ?!
            And then, about “everything suits me personally”: you don’t vote, you yourself admitted. Why then go broke? You, it turns out, EVERYTHING IS EQUAL?
        2. 97110
          97110 18 January 2018 11: 57
          14
          Quote: freddyk
          There is a chance to take it absolutely legally

          Is it called holy naivety? A chance tending to 0? Modern bourgeois, in the skin in 1917, having felt what it means to “give up power”, will fight for their own money to the last. Neither Denikin nor Kaledin smells like them. They will surrender the country to NATO, the USA, China with all Chinese communism, to anyone, but so that these people are on their capitals ... Don’t you get to anyone!
        3. your1970
          your1970 18 January 2018 12: 00
          +4
          Quote: freddyk
          Now you understand that you now look just stupid, as you repeat the parrot. that which has long been refuted, and

          1) no one denies the presence of 44% of the shares — it’s 3 billion of assets that he can sell at any time to anyone who wants to (at least Obama / Trump) - such is the law on CJSC
          2) will he come to power to carry out his program or the Communists? If the Communists then there is written in Russian about the nationalization of all large business. ZAO is currently a legally large business
          3) to him before Stalin, as before China ...
          1. Svist
            Svist 21 January 2018 23: 28
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            2) will he come to power to carry out his program or the Communists? If the Communists then there is written in Russian about the nationalization of all large business. ZAO is currently a legally large business

            Sly ...
            We will put the wealth of Russia, its natural, industrial and financial resources at the service of the people. We will nationalize strategically important and systemically important industries, electric power industry, railways, communication systems, leading banks. The state will regain its monopoly on the production and wholesale of ethyl alcohol. This will give an impetus to development and bring treasury trillions of rubles annually; will allow the formation of a development budget instead of a budget of impoverishment and degradation.

            And where is the nationalization of big business here? And then, why should the progressive tax be collected? With a garage tire or something?
            1. your1970
              your1970 22 January 2018 09: 20
              +4
              I got stuck spreading the Communist Party program here, open it and read it carefully ...
              - read ITS guidance documents ..
              "The third stage. Its content will be vigorous work on the final the formation of socialist social relations, ensuring the sustainable development of the socialist system on its own basis. Public ownership will dominate on fixed assets. As level increases the real socialization of labor and production their decisive role in the economy will gradually be established "
              and no one is interested in a progressive tax in such cases ...

              Z.Y. and if you think that this is a program 50 years ahead — you are mistaken for one simple reason — if the Communist Party does not fulfill the minimum program during the first term and the majority of the program — the people will say how do these differ from those? and the Communist Party will immediately lose all the old adherents (who had made the USSR) and most of the new ones. The people will not wait for a "bright future" now ...
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 23 January 2018 01: 29
            0
            Quote: your1970
            CJSC is currently a legally large business

            Goofy! Why? The size of a business is generally estimated by turnover. And the state farm is more likely to be attracted to the "medium" than to the large - to Rotenberg and Deripaska to him, as to the moon!
        4. Smog
          Smog 18 January 2018 12: 38
          +5
          Quote: freddyk
          By the methods of Stalin, taking power is considered premature.

          And what did Joseph Vissarionovich come to power through a coup, revolution, open armed rebellion, coup?
          Quote: freddyk
          There is a chance to take it absolutely legally

          Are you so sure that in the highest echelons of power at the moment there is no "under the carpet" struggle, intrigue and other tricks in the struggle for a place in the sun ????? I think you are deeply mistaken.
        5. Viking
          Viking 18 January 2018 17: 57
          +4
          Well, about 7,5 yards, sort of sorted out. But the New Year holidays in Germany “fit in with the image of a“ candidate from the people. ”The people will happily support their so-called“ director of the state farm ”as an easy and relaxed vacationer in Germany.
      4. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 11: 56
        16
        Quote: Finches
        Until really populists appear in the camp of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I personally will never vote for them, because it’s a perdimonocle, when an oligarch who has “only” 7 billion rubles in different currencies proves to the electorate that he is for that would not be rich, shaking a portrait of the Leader of the revolution!

        He doesn’t have any 7.5 billion, it's just a lie
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 January 2018 11: 58
          13
          Poor, poor strawberry king ... laughing Read yesterday’s AIF, it already says that right after returning from the New Year holidays from sunny Germany, Pavel Nikolayevich rushed to the CEC, they say the error came out - not everything was indicated in the declaration ... I forgot, poor fellow! laughing
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 12: 04
          12
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          it's just a lie

          Exactly.
          Explain, pzhlst, 3 times the phrase repeated in the document:
          . market price security N rubles.
          Not “bundles of paper”, not “securities (of this type)”, but also “securities”. One yes
          Is your candidate illiterate? He does not have a person who can correctly compose such a scribble?
          Sorry for him crying
          1. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 13: 04
            +8
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Is your candidate illiterate? He does not have a person who can correctly compose such a scribble?
            Sorry for him

            We look at the form for filling out documents
            http://www.garant.ru/products/ipo/prime/doc/71723
            424 /
            Decree of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation of November 22, 2017 No. 111 / 913-7 “On the List and Forms of Documents Submitted by Candidates Authorized by Representatives of Political Parties to the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation during the Presidential Election of the Russian Federation”

            2.14. Information on the amount and on the sources of income of the candidate and his spouse for the six years preceding the year of the election of the President of the Russian Federation, on property owned by the candidate and his spouse by right of ownership (including joint ownership), on accounts (deposits) in banks, securities, on property obligations of the candidate and his spouse on paper in the form according to Appendix 3 to the Federal Law and in machine-readable form (subparagraph 3, paragraph 11 of Article 35 of the Federal Law) (Appendix No. 14 to the Resolution ).
            Further, Appendix No. 14
            Information on the amount and sources of income, property, accounts (deposits) in banks, securities and property obligations of a candidate for the position of the President of the Russian Federation and his spouse
            (9.4) Other property
            (9.4.1) Securities
            (9.4.1.2) Other securities
            9.4.1.2.1 Type of security (bond, bill, bill, check, certificate and others)
            9.4.1.2.6 Number of securities
            9.4.1.2.7 Total cost in rubles for each type

            The CEC adopted and approved the documents, the total amount of the entire type of securities is indicated in the form, and not one - what are the issues? In the Central Election Commission are not literate sitting?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 January 2018 13: 43
              11
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              The CEC adopted and approved the documents, the total amount of the entire type of securities is indicated in the form, and not one - what are the issues? In the Central Election Commission are not literate sitting?

              These witnesses of the sect of the valerschikskolen arguments are not heard. They will now have a new fenya, since the CEC missed, it means the Kremlin’s project. wassat laughing
              1. Old
                Old 18 January 2018 19: 42
                +8
                Quote: Stroporez
                means the Kremlin’s project.

                I have the impression that they are the Kremlin’s own project. It is painfully stubbornly stoked for an obvious lie.
            2. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 13: 49
              +8
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              The CEC accepted and approved the documents; the total amount of the entire type of securities is indicated in the form

              In Appendix 3 to ... - exactly so. There is a tablet yes
              Where in the Supplement from the candidate G. there is a plate a la Appendix 3, show with your finger ... I can’t see her point-blank
              1. Stirbjorn
                Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 14: 12
                +9
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                In Appendix 3 to ... - exactly so. There is a tablet

                I did not understand the issue, in Appendix No. 3 to the resolution of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation of November 22, 2017 No. 111 / 913-7 I see only the application form.
                And then, if something is missing, then write immediately to the CEC, but I don’t work there - they registered and approved Grudinin! I can only evaluate something from actual documents
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 14: 33
                  +9
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  I can only evaluate something from actual documents

                  Pra-a-aavilno ...
                  And in the actual document (you posted a screenshot there .. finally) Russian in white says: cost Paper.
                  Well, like children, damn it laughing
                  Quote: Stirbjorn
                  they registered and approved Grudinin

                  Well, they did everything right ... Grudinin, like, got rid of these bamagos wassat
                  1. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 15: 08
                    +8
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    And in the actual document (you posted a screenshot there .. finally) Russian in white says: paper cost.
                    Well, like children, damn it

                    and according to the form of appeal - The total cost in rubles for each type, and not just one thing, otherwise at least there was an appendix (1 pc.) - Maybe it’s the custom to write when it comes to securities, I have never owned Eurobonds, I don’t know how to correctly indicate the case! I’m not a lawyer, but from personal experience, I know for sure that if you don’t fill out the form, including cases, then you won’t take the usual application for a passport - and here’s the candidate for President of the Russian Federation! So according to the documents, Grudinin has not 7.5 billion, but 37.5 million, which he claims. Who does not agree, let him send a request to the CEC clarifying, although I have no doubt that they have already sent, he simply did not like the answer. fellow
        3. Captain45
          Captain45 18 January 2018 12: 45
          +7
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          He doesn’t have any 7.5 billion, it's just a lie

          Well, you are funny people, give a screen where it is written in black and white - the market value of valuable PAPER (PAPER i.e. ONE UNIT) 13903700 rubles, and such papers 200 pieces (TWO). Well, what do you multiply or help: 200pcs.x13903700rub. = 2780740000 OR TWO BILLION SEVEN EIGHTY MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND rubles. Nothing at all, so trifle, to his wife on pins.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 18 January 2018 13: 33
            14
            Quote: Captain45
            Well you are funny people

            Well then you are much funnier. Are you for Putin’s command, for Medvedev, Naibulin, Dvorkovich, Kinder Surprise, Sechin, Miller, Rotenbergs, Timchenko, Friedman?
            Or do you have another in mind? laughing

            Shl.
            200pcs.h13903700rub. = 2780740.000
            And your numbers are Solovyov’s delirious fake.
            1. Finches
              Finches 18 January 2018 13: 45
              11
              And who are you drowning for? For the same ones! As they say in the army, the same x ....., only in the other hand laughing
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 18 January 2018 13: 53
                21
                Grudinin and his team of the People’s Patriotic Forces are not going to blame for the hill, and yours are nailed to Malta already, and to the cellists with the other end laughing
                What is there that the Friedman refused to finance the military-industrial complex? But has Potanin already poured 500million raccoons into mattress charitable foundations in exchange for loyalty? You have a good team, “bright” and unsullied, with a great head. laughing

                And also tell me a fairy tale, how the "brightest" does not know how his subordinate cuts 5 lyamas a day, but this one does not know, does not stop and receives kaneshnsha less than the subordinate laughing And then about the trailer from the Volga and the "Zaporozhets" on the lottery ticket.
                Boo-ha-ha.
                Here about your idols
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 14: 06
                  18
                  Stroporez Today, 13:53 ↑
                  Grudinin and his team of the People’s Patriotic Forces are not going to bring down the hill
                  Yeah ... blessed is he who believes! fool
                  He probably keeps pure money from the "patriotic" considerations over the hill? laughing laughing laughing Well, it’s direct “patriot” from patriots, it’s direct “schaz” that I am burdened with emotion. crying
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 18 January 2018 14: 15
                    14
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    He probably keeps pure money from the "patriotic" considerations over the hill?

                    You still don’t want to hear anything what It will be interesting to look, but no, there is no trial.
                    Vote for Nedimon wink
                  2. Stirbjorn
                    Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 14: 15
                    12
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    He probably keeps pure money from the "patriotic" considerations over the hill? Well, it’s direct “patriot” from patriots, it’s direct “schaz” that I am burdened with emotion.
                    Did you watch the conference yesterday? He opened an account beyond the hill to pay for the treatment of a close relative - or is this not patriotic, let him die here ?!
                    1. Varyag_0711
                      Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 14: 38
                      14
                      Stirbjorn Today, 14:15 ↑
                      Did you watch the conference yesterday? He opened an account beyond the hill to pay for the treatment of a close relative - or is this not patriotic, let him die here ?!

                      Stroporez Today, 14:15 ↑
                      You still don’t want to hear anything. What will be interesting to see, but no, there is no trial.
                      Your division, men, are you like adults, or am I mistaken? Give you a fork for removing noodles from your ears?
                      However, these are your problems, you still won’t convince me, let alone Grudinin. So good luck voting. As they say, vote with your heart, we’ve already voted “heart” once, everyone knows the result ...
                      1. Finches
                        Finches 18 January 2018 15: 08
                        14
                        The oligarch Poroshenko - for the Ukrainian people, the oligarch Grudinin for the Russian, the oligarch Trump for the American .... Lenin, Marx and Lenin are cherished in the next world - the bourgeois fight for the happiness of the working class without sparing their stomach ...laughing
                  3. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 18 January 2018 15: 20
                    10
                    holds money over the hill?
                    Are you talking about Putin and Nabiullina?
                    1. Viking
                      Viking 18 January 2018 18: 01
                      +7
                      Putin has the very yards of green $ that the best intelligence of the world cannot find?
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 18 January 2018 15: 44
              +6
              Quote: Stroporez
              Well then you are much funnier. Are you for Putin’s command, for Medvedev, Naibulin, Dvorkovich, Kinder Surprise, Sechin, Miller, Rotenbergs, Timchenko, Friedman?

              If the garlic, then I do not drown for anyone, but rather would have drowned some of the listed for unsuitability. I’m ridiculous of another, you got a simulacrum of ebullient public activity in the form of the Internet and you seduced by pouring buckets of slop on each other and pushing the throat for people whom you not only do not know, but personally didn’t see, but tear the point for sibling. Freaks fool
              1. Old
                Old 18 January 2018 23: 09
                +5
                Quote: Captain45
                pouring buckets of slop on top of each other

                It is gratifying that this has not come to this. In general, in VO the public was brought up (by the army, probably). And disputes are a useful thing in this case. It will help determine who to vote for in March. I also like Putin in my own way.
                Each person, looking back at his life, can choose his most important act.
                Someone returned the Crimea.
                Someone nominated a man who then returned the Crimea.
                Zyuganov lost his place, and perhaps only this will remain in history.
                1. Ragoz
                  Ragoz 22 January 2018 02: 11
                  0
                  Old:
                  You don’t see how many commentators from the dicks crawled out to this article. Apparently from above was the order "fas."
          2. Zefr
            Zefr 19 January 2018 12: 15
            +1
            Quote: Captain45
            TWO BILLION SEVEN EIGHTY MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND THOUSAND rubles

            I may not understand something, but how can two billion be removed from a state farm in 2200 hectares?
            Share the technology.
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 19 January 2018 13: 15
              +1
              Quote: Zefr
              I may not understand something, but how can two billion be removed from a state farm in 2200 hectares?
              Share the technology.

              This is not for me. I just calculated the numbers presented in the document. On the issue of technology, how to remove it, this is to the owner-Grudinin P.N.
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 19: 10
            +3
            http://ru.cbonds.info/emissions/issue/36755 Вы бы хоть чуть поинтересовались вопросом чтобы не выглядеть круглым балбесом.
      5. udincev
        udincev 18 January 2018 13: 39
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        Here, Joseph Vissarionovich, had a pair of tarpaulin and a jacket - this is a Bolshevik

        And imagine, Joseph Vissarianovich came to the 2018 election from ... (no matter who or himself). The reaction of the media and others?
      6. avva2012
        avva2012 19 January 2018 05: 18
        +5
        Quote: Zyablitsev Until populists really appear in the camp of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I personally will never vote for them

        In fact, you are voting with your feet For the financial-oligarchic clan. IN AND. Lenin wrote on this subject: “Under capitalism, there is no real participation of the exploited masses in the government, if only because under the most democratic conditions under capitalism, governments are not appointed by the people, but by the Rothschilds and Stinges, the Rockefellers and the Morgan. Democracy under capitalism, there is capitalist democracy, the democracy of the exploited minority, resting on the restriction of the rights of the exploited majority and directed against this majority. " Today, we all have to choose from two evils. Grudinin, the lesser evil, because, coming to power, the clan of "industrialists" is good for the country, otherwise the destruction of the country and death. Will not appear, Joseph Vissarionovich, having a pair of tarpaulin and a jacket, yet "idea there will not be a mass consciousness "and a revolutionary situation will not arise. In our country there is neither one nor the other. There is not even a really revolutionary class, proletariat. All this will need to be created yet, but this will take time. If there are those who remain in power now, there will be no time.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 19 January 2018 10: 30
          +4
          Quote: avva2012
          Grudinin, the lesser evil, because, coming to power, the clan of "industrialists" is good for the country,

          With the fact that if the "clan of industrialists" like Savva Morozov comes to power, I agree. only investments in real production giving a product suitable for implementation can give development to the economy, but only rentier Grudinin, well, not at all from the word "completely" is an industrialist. Even in his "20 steps" that shake the entire Internet, there is not a single concrete proposal for industrial development, one solid blah blah blah. By the way, I blithely blah blah blah because I demanded, I outlined after the next congress of the CPSU and saw concrete results. So there is nothing to compare.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 19 January 2018 11: 10
            +3
            You know, you and I are probably used to the fact that for a long time, we were driven into the heads of one idiom, supposedly, I.V. Stalin, such, and N.S. Khrushchev, such, and further, Nicholas 2, Peter the First, etc. Yes, often a lot depends on the main person, but if you look at the story without prejudice, it turns out that the Person is only a reflection of those processes that are objectively taking place. The king is made by the retinue. And it is they who come to power, and not a specific person.
            Reforms are really matured and overripe already. Since we understand this, depending on how warehouses with goods stand on the site of production shops, having all the information in it, those to whom all the information flows together cannot understand this.
            Just happening before our eyes, the main principle of capitalism, competition. The "financiers" do not hell with horns, they only obey the objective laws of the market, "you need to crush the competitor," which means that the money they possess should not go into industry, thus developing the warring clan. In the West, the mechanism for changing some clans by others has been developed for a long time, from here comes their "democracy", and for us, this is the first time. As the "liberals" came to power in the 1991 year, that is, financial capital, which at that time had the opportunity to accumulate on fraud, speculation, etc., so it irreplaceably holds power. In China, the party remained in power there, which, again for objective reasons (poverty) had to be built, not speculated. Now, we see the result.
            one solid blah blah blah

            Do you know what theses mean? Here it is. As it is for real, no one will tell us.
    5. Alber
      Alber 18 January 2018 09: 08
      12
      Quote: populist
      So we were told why Navalny and Putin’s goddaughter (Sobchak) were not a cake, but now everyone rushed to the collective farm chairman as if on command. Has the team really passed?
      Apparently, yes.

      not with a simple sternum PR, for good reason!
      but in fact, like all the "God-chosen", it’s just a blown bubble! what is his president? Yes, he’s up to the normal president as before donkey’s Easter ....
      if for whom I would vote knowing that the person will fight for the Russian people, it’s for the late Kondratenko, the ex-governor of the Kuban. if he were alive. The most decent was a man!
      and now only "talented" crooks are torn ...
      1. freddyk
        freddyk 18 January 2018 11: 22
        +4
        And who is his PR?
    6. mcqway
      mcqway 18 January 2018 10: 46
      10
      Well, the team passed. So what?
      All over the world like that.
      And about the type of popular candidate ... Do not tell my tomatoes.
      What is he, on ..., folk. ))))
      Let him first plow for the good of the Motherland, show himself, and then already rock the country to steer.
    7. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 18 January 2018 11: 46
      11
      Voronenkov or Voronenkov is also a frame from this clip. Yes, and blindly do not believe everything. Mr. Comrade Gorbachev, as he sang !!! The entire 20 millionth CPSU detachment listened spellbound .. The result is known. To the applause of the members of the CPSU, the country was destroyed. From this Grudinin-Gorbachev strongly smacks of Maidan .. Perestroika, redistribution, destruction of the country !!
    8. Rusland
      Rusland 18 January 2018 13: 07
      17
      Yavlinsky for 400 days was supposed to equip Russia, the same for 20 steps, well, is it nonsense, how many can you listen to!
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 18 January 2018 15: 49
        +3
        Quote: Rusland
        Yavlinsky for 400 days was supposed to equip Russia, the same for 20 steps, well, is it nonsense, how many can you listen to!

        400 days: 20 steps = 20 days one step. Well, and the brake, cleaner Baltic. laughing
      2. Rodimets
        Rodimets 18 January 2018 22: 20
        +1
        Yavlinsky has 500 days. But there may be "100 days that shocked the world."
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 19 January 2018 10: 32
          +4
          Quote: Rodimets
          But there may be "100 days that shook the world."

          Actually, John Reed had "10 days that shocked the world." hi
    9. alekc73
      alekc73 18 January 2018 14: 36
      +8
      You can fool 1 person for some time, it’s not possible to lie to everyone for an unlimited time. Lying as a pregnancy will come out. Let them draw what they want, people don’t believe the media and the tele-zombie. It’s as if our homeland had learned to become a prosperous country.
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    11. g1v2
      g1v2 18 January 2018 20: 33
      +6
      Are you serious? belay Grudinin is a technical candidate for raising turnout. Like Prokhorov last time. Moreover, they are PR, defend and attack him, as a rule, the federal media. Some defiantly attack, others defend. That VO seems to have got the work of a lawyer, others - a prosecutor. But watching is fun. laughing
    12. stylet
      stylet 19 January 2018 03: 23
      +5
      Grudinin is not a popular candidate
    13. user
      user 19 January 2018 11: 14
      +2
      Quote: populist
      The very imperious elite was frightened of the popular candidate, and even against the background of their failures.


      Well, let's say the candidate is not popular, like even a ruble billionaire, although a simple colonel had 9 billion in cash in the apartment, but all the same, the top fussed. Although what they expect with such an internal economic policy is a mystery to me. Maybe they expect that everyone will rush to the ballot boxes, pushing each other away, to vote for Putin.

      It's time to start fussing.
    14. Baby sitter
      Baby sitter 19 January 2018 21: 20
      +2
      MP Did you get to this? Or who suggested? 77777
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 18 January 2018 06: 22
    23
    The media amicably bury Grudinin
    -the fatal mistake, in our country, they always stood up for the persecuted. now a lot of mud will be poured on Grudinin, they are too apparently afraid. He should not be the president (this time, for sure), but instead of Medvedev-completely. I-for him.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 January 2018 08: 12
      20
      instead of Medvedev -
      but with Putin? God have mercy! Do you represent Kolchak and Budyonny in one headquarters? ..
      1. andj61
        andj61 18 January 2018 08: 40
        12
        Quote: Gardamir
        instead of Medvedev -
        but with Putin? God have mercy! Do you represent Kolchak and Budyonny in one headquarters? ..

        But what, aren’t Putin and Zyuganov now in quite official power structures? Moreover, they are successfully cooperating! Here it’s not Kolchak and Budyonny in the same headquarters that should be cited as an example, but, for example, Trotsky and Stalin — if we take the Civil era. Or Denikin and Shkuro. And in both cases, they collaborated quite well at a certain stage - despite the contradictions in their views. hi
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 18 January 2018 08: 49
          11
          official power structures?
          but then Grudinin should become Medvedev, only under such conditions Putin will take Grudinin.
          1. freddyk
            freddyk 18 January 2018 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            but then Grudinin should become Medvedev


            Will do, do not want to, make
          2. andj61
            andj61 18 January 2018 11: 30
            +2
            Quote: Gardamir
            official power structures?
            but then Grudinin should become Medvedev, only under such conditions Putin will take Grudinin.
            Under no circumstances should Medvedev be taken! Likewise, any other characters of a similar plan. Under our system of power, Putin may not be afraid of anyone in this position. Moreover, the president from any prime minister can ask in full and dismiss is not so difficult. On the contrary, any outsider in this post will only be a plus to the president. hi
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 18 January 2018 12: 24
              13
              Quote: andj61 Under no circumstances should Medvedev be taken!

              Nevertheless, they long ago agreed that Medvedev, a liberal, that is, a protege of financial capital with us. Grudinin, a protege of industrial capital and, naturally, he is not a communist at all. The Social Democrat is convinced, and he does not hide it. But the most important thing, in my opinion, the Grudinin team (industrial lobby), it is profitable to develop production in the country, and not to export money abroad. What else do we need?
              1. marline
                marline 18 January 2018 14: 05
                +6
                Quote: avva2012
                Grudinin, a protege of industrial capital

                Information slipped that he was a protege of Misha Khodorkovsky. Are you talking about this, doctor?
                And at the same time, you really think of a person who is warmly received at the Ekho Moskvy radio station (the mouthpiece of the liberal public) and who wants to give a position in the government to liberal Navalny, a socialist ... get around until it's too late ...
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 18 January 2018 15: 23
                  +8
                  (mouthpiece of the liberal public)
                  wait a minute, this mouthpiece contains Gazprom, which seems to be subordinate to Putin by the action
                  1. marline
                    marline 18 January 2018 16: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    (mouthpiece of the liberal public)
                    wait a minute, this mouthpiece contains Gazprom, which seems to be subordinate to Putin by the action

                    Does it change anything?
                    1. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 18 January 2018 17: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: merlin
                      Does it change anything?

                      this is the law, who pays and orders)))
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 January 2018 09: 31
                        +4
                        From what is it ???
                        So your G. paid and ordered P. So why are you then tearing a throat for him? Or have you been paid too?
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 18 January 2018 16: 31
                  +6
                  You have information slipping through, it’s clear, but you didn’t try to read analytics about the Western economy? Not the one that says "Tryndets America", but normal, not biased? So, if you think a little, then very interesting things are seen both about them and about us. And about hodor, you just came up with it. And personally, your comments, I remember. Explicit patriot.
                  1. marline
                    marline 18 January 2018 16: 34
                    +2
                    You have a good memory. Yes, apparently, unlike you, I am a patriot. wink
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 03: 20
                      +6
                      Yes, I’m not complaining. Which country?
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 January 2018 09: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Which country?

                        You do not distinguish flags?)
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 10: 34
                      +2
                      And where does the flag? If you come up with stories on the go, and not in favor of the flag that is next to your nickname, then for which country do you try?
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 January 2018 11: 21
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        And where does the flag? If you come up with stories on the go, and not in favor of the flag that is next to your nickname, then for which country do you try?

                        Doctor, you should go to the doctor. I would still understand your indignation if you betrayed state secrets, but you accuse me of treason, only on the basis of my criticism of candidate Grudinin. You know - go to the garden ...
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 11: 28
                      +1
                      To the garden or to the doctor? This is not treason; for me I have no facts. For now, this is just slander. Yes, and Grudinin, nothing to do with it. Why, I wrote in other comments, so I won’t repeat myself.
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 January 2018 11: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        To the garden or to the doctor?

                        Yes, where do you like more there and go ... I do not mind ...
                        Quote: avva2012
                        This is not treason; for me I have no facts.

                        Thank God!
                        Quote: avva2012
                        For now, this is just slander.

                        Grudinin may sue.
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Yes, and Grudinin, nothing to do with it.

                        Here are those times ... That throat was torn for him, and now there is nothing to do with it ... Somehow with the sequence you have not really ...
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Why, I wrote in other comments, so I won’t repeat myself.

                        I understand that it is offered to me wretched to read your GREAT COMMENTS? Thank you very much.
                        However, I’m afraid that there is nothing but: “Chef, everything is lost” and “we have a year to go”, I won’t read there. And such cries from various gurus (among them there are even Amer presidents) I have heard and read since 2003. - while you see it is alive, healthy, well-fed and, even, with the Internet.
                    4. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 12: 06
                      +1
                      Okay, I'll go see if you are there.
                      I read your great comments, did not break, but I understand that this is not a royal thing. I am extremely grateful that you, at least, answered me. Slowly. Year of your coming of age in every sense appreciated.
                      I didn’t understand one thing, forgive the wretched little mind, which one did you write? Patriot, so patriot. To the garden, so to the garden. Go your way calmly. If there are elements of state treason in your actions, it's not for me to decide, so do not worry. Especially for you.
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 January 2018 12: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        I am extremely grateful that you, at least, answered me.

                        You're welcome. It was nice to talk.
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Okay, I'll go look

                        Reach unsubscribe, how are you there. All the best to you, good luck.
                    5. avva2012
                      avva2012 19 January 2018 13: 24
                      +2
                      laughingeccentric, man. Really with adulthood in 2003, I guessed. Well, nothing, anyway, already an adult.
                      1. marline
                        marline 19 January 2018 13: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Really with adulthood in 2003, guessed

                        Doctor, insight is not your forte)))
                        I still have a newspaper from 2003. - in which it is written in black and white that "Putin is a thief and robbing Russia" and "if you vote for Putin, then the country will not live longer than a year." In short, the region is just like yours (yes, I deliberately looked at your comments: hell is a curve, heap is oblique - if only not for Putin? Does it seem so?) ...
                        How many years have passed, but the rhetoric does not change ... So I’m tired of reading about "everything is lost."
                    6. Alber
                      Alber 2 February 2018 14: 57
                      0
                      Quote: merlin
                      You have a good memory. Yes, apparently, unlike you, I am a patriot. wink

                      Well yes! Feels "patriot" on sales of national property
                      1. marline
                        marline 2 February 2018 15: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Alber
                        Quote: merlin
                        You have a good memory. Yes, apparently, unlike you, I am a patriot. wink

                        Well yes! Feels "patriot" on sales of national property

                        Like in the water ... Excuse me ... You are not worthless my fighter, answer the simple question: what do you call "public property"?
                        It seems to me that you are "confusing your personal wool with the state."
          3. woron333444
            woron333444 18 January 2018 12: 11
            +2
            And he is eager to become Medvedev. He understands that the presidency does not shine for him
          4. NordUral
            NordUral 23 January 2018 09: 02
            0
            Or maybe Grudinin will take Putin to the government as the foreign minister? Just for your preferred interests. For the economy - Glazyev’s team, Prime Minister Boldyrev, Minister of Defense General Savelyev with Deputy Kvachkov, and so on, there is a choice, there are options.
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 18 January 2018 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: andj61
          But what, aren’t Putin and Zyuganov now in quite official power structures?

          Please tell me what official public position related to the authorities does Zyuganov hold?
  3. nadezhiva
    nadezhiva 18 January 2018 06: 25
    16
    We found something to blame - the money was abroad. But who, let’s say, have them from the powers that be?
    That’s not the point. The mere presence of money does not interest anyone. Here the nonsense is different: where and when did they appear. The joke is that “as if a communist” itself cannot give a clear answer to this question.
    In his latest declaration, such amounts were not included. And in the penultimate too.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 18 January 2018 06: 49
      20
      Quote: nadezhiva
      In his latest declaration, such amounts were not included. And in the penultimate too.

      These amounts are fake, invented litter -tv.
      Here is the first person:
      https://youtu.be/Ogk0rjzUSns
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 07: 13
        21
        Quote: Stroporez
        Here is the first person

        Would prefer "from the CEC of the Russian Federation" wink
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 18 January 2018 07: 20
          20
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Would prefer "from the CEC of the Russian Federation"

          http://cikrf.ru/analog/prezident2018/dohod/dohod_
          grudinin.html

          You climb in and look, otherwise you'll have another six months to talk about 7,5 lard! laughing
          And if you say that laziness, then here
          The website shows the sources and the total amount of Grudinin’s income for the six years preceding the election year — 157 rubles. They consist of, inter alia, salary, bonus for participation in the competition, income from deposits, as well as material assistance.
          According to the materials on the CEC website, there are a total of 5,92 million rubles on five accounts, Grudinin also owns shares in Lenin State Farm CJSC and a stake in TT Development LLC.
          Director of the Lenin State Farm Pavel Grudinin is registered with the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation as a candidate for the post of president of Russia. January 12, 2018
          © RIA Novosti / Evgeny Biyatov
          Go to the photo bank
          Grudinin closed foreign accounts
          In addition, published data on the income of the wife of the candidate for president: Irina Grudinina over the past six years, a total of 2,62 million rubles earned. Among real estate, she has two apartments in Moscow; She also owns two Lexus cars. Irina Grudinina has a total of about 11 million rubles in 2 accounts, she also owns a stake in TAIR LLC.


          RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/election2018_news/20180112/1512514
          695.html
          Well, this is to completely close the topic!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 07: 36
            24
            Well, let's start ... from the tail, as befits a mongoose:
            Quote: Stroporez
            Well, this is to completely close the topic!

            Doesn’t. Article dated 12.12.2017, “Supplements” (where lard), candidate G. submitted ... 08.01.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            So the "close" ... does not work request
            Quote: Stroporez
            You climb and look yourself

            I have already been there, more than once. And the addresses of the appearance laid out ... also repeatedly.
            There is a point "Add-ons", left-in-the middle ... here under a brick him the "cancer" and hides (s) laughing
            Sling cutteryou ... are unconvincing
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 18 January 2018 07: 57
              20
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Supplements "(where lard) candidate G. filed ... 08.01.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX.

              What kind of lard are we talking about, dear? Well, you, as a child, are not able to read the numbers? What doesn’t beat you.?
              There were no lards. THIS IS A FAKE !!!
              The candidate himself explained everything, an agent told. BUT
              For those in the tank!
              from 6.50 the economist will explain everything and explain on the fingers! Locked!
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 18 January 2018 08: 26
                13
                Quote: Stroporez
                There were no lards. THIS IS A FAKE !!!

                Who cares how much he hid. He broke the law.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 18 January 2018 09: 01
                  19
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Who cares how much he hid. He broke the law.

                  Enough already to write nonsense !!!!! Additions he submitted 08.01.18/12/XNUMX, and registered him on the XNUMXth!
                  All the data I posted to Golovan, and videos and links and analysis of the economist, EVERYTHING! Look!
                  Have you heard the crap and let's post it for a week wassat
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 18 January 2018 09: 10
                    14
                    A thief, he is a thief in Africa. To make such an amount, he needs 300 years to collect the club!
                    1. Varyag_0711
                      Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 09: 20
                      22
                      Boris55 Today, 09: 10 ↑
                      A thief, he is a thief in Africa. To make such an amount, he needs 300 years to collect the club!
                      I agree, offer Stroporez to earn at least a million on strawberries ...
                      If you are coming from supposedly communists, be so kind as to clean up your tails behind yourself and make a more or less true story, especially with capital.
                      1. 97110
                        97110 18 January 2018 12: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        If you’re coming from supposedly communists,

                        then stock up with a bag of Faberge eggs, so that like people sent by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation ...
                    2. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 18 January 2018 09: 29
                      22
                      Quote: Boris55
                      A thief, he is a thief in Africa. To make such an amount, he needs 300 years to collect the club!

                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      make at least a million on strawberries ...
                      If you are coming from supposedly communists, be so kind as to clean up your tails behind yourself and make a more or less true story, especially with capital.

                      Mdyayayaya .... More stubborn zaputintsev difficult to find! belay
                      I used to get the impression that you are more adequate, colleagues. You gave a link to the site, even Golovan understood, and tomorrow you’ll be flooded with nightingales with Kiselyov’s ears that he has a three-membered term, so until next August you will have this “bird cherry” post with enviable constancy. laughing laughing laughing
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 18 January 2018 09: 37
                        10
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Mdyayayaya ....

                        Below I asked the question of what the proponents of Grudilin expect from their idol - silent! They themselves do not know what they are campaigning for ...
                      2. Varyag_0711
                        Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 10: 08
                        15
                        Stroporez Today, 09:29 ↑
                        I used to have the impression that you are more adequate, colleagues.
                        Well, so we had the impression of your adequacy. But apart from populist slogans and “Down with Putin,” we also don’t hear anything from you.
                        I repeat, no one is Grudinin and there is no way to call him. Under whatever fine slogans he went to power, all this bullshit for those who are glad to be deceived. There is nothing real behind him.
                        And again, I repeat, from Zyuganov and Grudinin the communists are like candy from shit. Zyuganov so discredited himself that no one in his right mind would vote for him or the Communist Party.
                        However, we have already discussed this and have not come to a consensus, and most likely we will not.
                      3. Dashout
                        Dashout 18 January 2018 10: 16
                        14
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        I used to have the impression that you are more adequate, colleagues

                        Why are you so excited?
                        From 12 chairs "Blue Thief" - here is a portrait of Grudinin (ashamed, but drags!).
                      4. avva2012
                        avva2012 18 January 2018 12: 08
                        17
                        Quote: Stroporez Mdyayayaya .... More stubborn zaputintsev difficult to find!

                        Yes, not the majority of Zaputinians. They just remember 90 and are afraid of repetition. They look at the street and see cars, food in the store, Chinese goods with a label, "made in the Russian Federation", a relatively calm criminal situation. All yes, there is a difference in what happened.
                        Only, that's what is not visible. Industry is not visible in the first place. Education is not visible, secondarily. No medicine in the third. And these lines, in fact, nowhere, a lot has formed. You know, there is such a condition of the patient when, before he dies, he has a purely subjective improvement. Nothing hurts, he goes to the toilet himself, his appetite wakes up, his mood rises. Any experienced doctor in this situation will say, "a few hours are left." So, our beloved homeland, right now is in such a state. And we all can help her. Either there or there.
                        Yes, Grudinin, not the President of the 80 level, but there really is no choice from the word at all. GDP, the oligarchs will eat in a couple of years. In the fall of this year, the privatization of the remaining state property will take place (read last year’s analytics, they wanted to do it then) and after the sale of the last assets ...., the patient will die. 90s will seem such a wonderful world.
                    3. Captain45
                      Captain45 18 January 2018 10: 57
                      +7
                      Quote: Boris55
                      A thief, he is a thief in Africa. To make such an amount, he needs 300 years to collect the club!

                      How is Papanov in the film "Watch out for the car" - "I trade in the bush pod grown with these hands!" Grudinin will not say this.
                  2. Sergey Cojocari
                    Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 11: 11
                    19
                    Stroporez, with whom you are trying to argue, that he is golovan, that Boris, from those to whom splash in the eye. all God's dew. And in general, all disputes surrounding candidates on the VO resource, I consider ineffective, because there are no undecided. It would be nice to organize your poll and close on this topic.
                    1. Loess
                      Loess 18 January 2018 12: 09
                      +8
                      with whom are you trying to debate, what is your head, what is Boris, from those to whom splash in the eyes of anyone. all God's dew.
                      This is not the first time I have seen you move on to insults and rudeness when your arguments run out. However, you are not alone here.
                      1. Sergey Cojocari
                        Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 13: 17
                        19
                        Ah, how gentle we are! But pouring dirty tricks on the opposition presidential candidate is not rudeness? This wind returns your abominations to you in your face, and do not make yourself and you like innocent sufferers, for, for we are judged according to your deeds ...
                  3. Sasha_Sar
                    Sasha_Sar 18 January 2018 12: 10
                    21
                    Yes, it is useless to either prove to those who "do not hear." If Grudinin had a "snout in the cannon," he would not have been registered. It was just that the “Kremlin” initially wanted to “tighten up an affair” to increase% of turnout, and when it saw that% of the electorate was ready to vote for Grudinin, it was not permissible that he began to persecute him through “independent” media. Gentlemen "Putinists" calm down, Putin will be elected for another term. The system that he built will not allow him to leave the "galley".
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 18 January 2018 12: 16
                      16
                      Quote: Sasha_Sar The system that he built will not allow him to leave the "galley".

                      The only legitimate way to deal with the system is through elections. I don’t care who and how will vote, but I’ll go and give my vote for Grudinin so that I can respect myself. At least I tried to at least do something.
                    2. Stirbjorn
                      Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 13: 16
                      14
                      Quote: Sasha_Sar
                      Yes, it is useless to either prove to those who "do not hear." If Grudinin had a "snout in the cannon," he would not have been registered.
                      I absolutely agree, the same CEC would have rejected it, even at the stage of receiving documents, and if he had violated the law, how are the Zaputins screaming, they would immediately have canceled the elections!
                    3. Sergey Cojocari
                      Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 16: 09
                      10
                      As you know, galley slaves descend only into the water and only with a stone on their neck. Maybe it’s time for Putin to think about his future and choose between the fate of Khrushchov and Ceausescu.
                      1. Height
                        Height 1 February 2018 19: 16
                        +1
                        Can you try it for yourself? Then you tell us how it blew bubbles ...
                2. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 18 January 2018 13: 12
                  +6
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Who cares how much he hid. He broke the law.

                  why his CEC will not withdraw from the election ?! wassat
              2. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 09: 49
                18
                Quote: Stroporez
                The economist will explain everything and explain on the fingers!

                I repeat:
                1. No "economist" will replace information from the CEC
                2. The “CECs” from the candidate are still on the CEC website. This document is not readable in two ways, even though you are turning inside out.
                Quote: Stroporez
                Locked!

                Yes of course laughing
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 18 January 2018 10: 14
                  16
                  Roma, welcome colleague! hi
                  The matter is not even in the data of the Central Election Commission, not in his money and not even in foreign accounts, although this is not a frail jamb. The thing is a lie. He would say directly:
                  Yes, I’m not poor, but I didn’t earn money on strawberries, but on frauds with land and shares. And who is not without sin?
                  It would be much better, the people here still love the truth and forgive a lot if not everything, BUT except for lies and not justice.

                  And then, what’s the president with him? Well funny, by golly!
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 January 2018 11: 07
                    21
                    Alexei, you probably saw the third part of the "Last Call"? How do you like it? The medicine has collapsed, completely. Three thousand doctors are not enough in our area. In polyclinics there are either paramedics or attendants for 80 years. Something like the exam, invented for accreditation. Medicines are not medicines. Check, I know.
                    The country is no longer even the bottom. The next six years, we are not likely to survive. Will we continue to vote for stability?
                  2. freddyk
                    freddyk 18 January 2018 12: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    And then, what’s the president with him? Well funny, by golly!


                    They would write only that, why so much extra text.
                  3. Old
                    Old 18 January 2018 23: 49
                    +6
                    Quote: Varyag_0711
                    And then, what’s the president with him?

                    Yes. Here Putin is the most presidential president! So what?
                    What, for example, is your mom (grandmother's) pension?
                    And you will agree with me that Russia is the richest country in terms of resources. And where are we in health care, in terms of income?
                    1. Lev Bronsch
                      Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 00: 32
                      +3
                      And you old man is a liar !! Russia is very far from the first places in the world in income from the sale of energy resources per capita !! And to remind you of the GDP of the Russian Federation in 2000 and now? Now they are in 7th-8th place in the world, but they were in the 40th !! The population died out at 1,5 million per year ceased. You probably want it again, in the 90s? Only hell to you all over the face! Sometimes the "non-brothers" throw up good ideas - to calculate such ghouls as you, personal data on the network, so that people know who we have a traitor am
                  4. Sasha_Sar
                    Sasha_Sar 25 January 2018 10: 57
                    0
                    Ah, we have a "guarantor" crystal clear, lives on 8 "lyamov" a year, his friends and ministers for hundreds of millions. The head of the Russian Post writes himself a bonus at the end of the year 100 "lyam". You at that post of Russia when was the last time?
                2. SOF
                  SOF 18 January 2018 10: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The CEC’s website still contains “Additions” from the candidate. This document is not readable in two ways, even if you turn inside out here

                  ... screenshot, as a control for the ear, lay out, please ... hi
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 10: 31
                    +9
                    Quote: SOF
                    screenshot, as a control for the ear, lay out please

                    I'm sick of already spreading, that's her right yes


                    IMHO enough.
              3. Smog
                Smog 18 January 2018 12: 47
                +4
                Sling cutter

                And what, the blogger Quiet Barin is the ultimate truth?
          2. sapporo1959
            sapporo1959 18 January 2018 11: 45
            +7
            Well, this topic doesn’t seem to close to me anymore. These documentary arguments for the sums do not work for those who love courageous Putin to lift them off their knees. Once on TV they were told something completely different. Like dachshunds!
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 18 January 2018 10: 43
      13
      that's it! Money itself does not mean anything. The question is whether Comrade will tell. Grudinin about their origin, from the very beginning, so to speak - from scratch? And why suddenly these - Zyuganov’s nominated him? How much did you get for this? I do not believe that it is free !!!!! Let not in cash, but got something! And then, how many billions are indicated there? And how many billions of his land and property? Director of the farm, yeah! It's not about the money. Do not lie!!!! And yet - once I listened to him, Grudinina. Enough for me. It is expressed roundly. I don’t read and do not look at him, neither bad nor good, I do not need, I already have my opinion. And I will vote for Putin. And there would be no Putin, then for Zhirinovsky, the third - Mironov. Each has its own shortcomings. However, the rest is horror. And whom I just don’t know and don’t understand. Come on, can you tell me that I do not understand anything!
      1. Lev Bronsch
        Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 19: 56
        +2
        Well, how do you want? What, no one sympathized with Gorbachev ?? Yes, at first his ratings were higher than current ones of Putin, what ended up recalling? And here half of the stupid idiots drowns for the strawberry king, and the other is just paid provocateurs and enemies - that's an extras. But in fact, both of them dream of drowning the country completely, worse than in the 90s ... That's the dialectic
  4. 1536
    1536 18 January 2018 06: 29
    30
    In 1989-1991, there were exactly the same moods. Then, before that, EBN was chosen as the first secretary of the CPSU MGK. And I came from Moscow to Sverdlovsk on a business trip to one of the plants. Sverdlovsk residents at the factory ask, well, how's your BN? I say that a democrat walks to the polyclinic to the district polyclinic on foot. The men smiled, he will still show you what's what. What was next? And then there were screaming people on the squares of Moscow, that all thieves and crooks, but they somehow know how to govern the country and live. Notice that op occurred during business hours. How then all sorts of slogans and screamers began to rule the country do not need to explain. They stopped working completely. And there was also a famous tank with a man calling for something with a piece of paper on the tower. Straight Lenin and the armored car with the theses of April. Maybe it’s enough for everyone here to impose their opinion, accusing everyone and everything of some kind of fraud of facts? People are not rams!
    1. Maalkavianin
      Maalkavianin 18 January 2018 07: 47
      14
      I agree with you. Unfortunately people have a short memory. Instead of living in relative calmness for another 6 years, with a chance to get out somewhere and earn something, to do something good for themselves, their families, many people once again want adventure.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 18 January 2018 07: 59
        24
        Quote: Malkavianin
        Instead of living in relative calmness for another 6 years, with a chance to get out somewhere and earn something

        Quote: Malkavianin
        Once again, many want adventure
        Oh, no matter what happens, oh, if only there was no war, oh, and suddenly a revolution. Perhaps we will live through this, no need to change anything. Anyway, they didn’t live well, there’s nothing to start.
        1. Maalkavianin
          Maalkavianin 18 January 2018 08: 06
          16
          I want war and revolution - go to the same Donbass. Fight in Syria. In Africa, constant wars and coups. You have where to go.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 18 January 2018 08: 12
            18
            Quote: Malkavianin
            I want war and revolution
            Those. without Putin, revolution in Russia will immediately come? Logics? No, have not heard...
            1. Maalkavianin
              Maalkavianin 18 January 2018 09: 28
              +4
              Did I say that. It was you who wrote that I supposedly do not want revolution and war, and this is bad.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 18 January 2018 15: 55
                +2
                Quote: Malkavianin
                Did I say that.
                What do you mean by "adventures"?
          2. Rastas
            Rastas 18 January 2018 08: 21
            22
            Are you oracle That is, you give Russia two ways - or slow decay for 6 years under Putin or the Maidan. Sorry, but your words are a miserable philistinism - to break out, earn, crawl, crawl. With such sentiments, Russia would no longer be there. Grudinin at least a chance to do without shocks in the future just.
            1. Maalkavianin
              Maalkavianin 18 January 2018 09: 40
              10
              Yes, here I am not the oracle, but you. Yes, you know about the "paths" that I "give" to Russia. And why did you decide that Grudinin will be able to stop the decay? The siloviki are building behind him, on which he can rely? Or will the whole country rush in a single rush to build a bright future, under its wise leadership? Nonsense all this.
            2. woron333444
              woron333444 18 January 2018 12: 21
              +6
              Grudinin is Poroshenko. Does Russia need this?
          3. Rastas
            Rastas 18 January 2018 08: 46
            21
            If Grudinin is the Maidan, then how was he allowed for the election? We have a strong state with the most influential president in the world, and maydanschik is admitted to the elections. You know that under Grudinin the Maidan will be a war, but the authorities are not in the know. You already hint up there. And to make things worse, ask the elixir of immortality for Putin to invent and generally cancel the elections.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 18 January 2018 10: 35
          15
          exactly! and a lot of these, and another argument:
          he (Grudinin) is not from the system, and therefore he will not be able to do anything! to my question and at the state farm could? answer -Russia is not a collective farm, then a different mind is needed! again the answer: what is the difference? answer: officials will not give ... finish, no words! and what is our official? untouchables ?! in my opinion, if God forbid Grudinin comes to power, then remember my words: they’ll drive such a bastard with rags, with a bang and with a howl, but like 200 or a little more, we’ll drive them — I’m sure the rest will be SUV supporters that Vovan never dreamed of!
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 18 January 2018 08: 17
        22
        another 6 years to live in relative calm
        You stand like that in a quagmire, and to what calmly, it is addictive. It will become a little more and quite calmly, only bubbles on the surface. Of course, you can jerk, grab that branch, grab it, but it’s scary, no matter what happens.
        1. Rastas
          Rastas 18 January 2018 08: 47
          12
          Then, the cemetery is generally calm.
        2. dSK
          dSK 18 January 2018 09: 19
          +9
          Hello Leonid! Folklore:
          "The cat gave birth to kittens - Putin is to blame!
          The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame! "
      3. Freeman
        Freeman 18 January 2018 09: 38
        +8
        Quote: Malkavianin
        I agree with you. Unfortunately people have a short memory. Instead of living in relative calmness for another 6 years, with a chance to get out somewhere and earn something, to do something good for themselves, their families, many people once again want adventure.

        Log in. Here you have a new nickname and avatar
        1. Maalkavianin
          Maalkavianin 18 January 2018 09: 58
          +1
          smile Good story, but not about me.
      4. Tatanka Yotanka
        Tatanka Yotanka 18 January 2018 10: 58
        14
        Quote: Malkavianin
        Instead of living in relative calm for another 6 years,

        and who offers a revolution then?
        1. Maalkavianin
          Maalkavianin 18 January 2018 13: 04
          0
          I did not start talking about the revolution. So no question for me.
        2. Height
          Height 1 February 2018 19: 53
          +1
          Girl, redistribution of property, it is always a revolution. Who will give so easily? Easier to kill.
      5. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 18 January 2018 13: 34
        12
        And what kind of country, by the way, then we created under the leadership of our permanent leader if a simple change of steering should immediately cause revolutionary upheavals? What kind of stability is such that overnight everything can suddenly collapse and leave along with chances and finances ... ???
        1. Height
          Height 3 February 2018 19: 56
          0
          Probably I wanted to create stability from Belarus from us?
      6. Old
        Old 19 January 2018 00: 06
        +5
        Quote: Malkavianin
        another 6 years to live in relative calm

        No one can promise you peace and stability.
        On the contrary, there is reason to believe that after the election there will be another F ...
  5. White53
    White53 18 January 2018 06: 34
    20
    At least one real candidate-hard worker and not a politician-pi .... ol!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 07: 14
      26
      Quote: White53
      At least one real candidateslogger.

      Baryga... and liar, or with memory is bad (I hastily closed accounts before registration, og).
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 18 January 2018 07: 46
        35
        Quote: Golovan Jack

        Baryga... and liar, or with memory is bad (I hastily closed accounts before registration, og).

        Do not choke on saliva, Golovan! Those real hucksters who are in power, and in power rubs, Grudinin is not suitable for soles! It is to those Golovan to whom you revere.
        What Grudinin huckster, if he produces a product? You, in your bitterness, intentionally replace concepts. Small and medium business in our country is not easy. Try it yourself!
        All the accusations that your government makes to Grudinin, first of all, belong to her!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 January 2018 08: 23
          10
          Quote: Stas157
          All the accusations that your government makes to Grudinin, first of all, belong to her!

          So is it worth changing the soap? laughing
          1. Victor Demchenko
            Victor Demchenko 18 January 2018 10: 41
            14
            worth it! firstly, Putin, the great and terrible okromya promises did NOTHING. examples at least oh eat! and the first only five offhand:
            cancellation of transport tax
            curbing tariff increases
            tax restriction (Plato and others)
            decline in real incomes of the population and purchasing power
            a sharp increase in fuel prices amid falling oil prices ....
            enough and still throw info for thought? winked
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 18 January 2018 11: 14
              +9
              Quote: Viktor Demchenko
              worth it! firstly, Putin, the great and terrible okromya promises did NOTHING.


              Do you have any guarantees that, having come to power, Grudinin will fulfill his (at least pre-election) promises ?! A “popular” candidate treats a family abroad, the right word, charming.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 January 2018 16: 43
                +7
                People’s "candidate treats a family abroad, the right word, charming.
                Ah, you consider him an idiot? If a person has money, then it is better to be treated there, otherwise we have a continuous lottery. Moreover, he talked about the fact that relatives were seriously ill with something. He didn’t bring the country to such a level.
                1. B.T.V.
                  B.T.V. 18 January 2018 17: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Ah, you consider him an idiot?


                  No, I consider him NOT a popular candidate. Regarding the storage of his money abroad, he also spoke out rather non-popularly.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 19 January 2018 03: 56
                    +3
                    In a capitalist country there can be no "popular" candidates. Do not put a shadow on the fence using similar terms. Now we are talking about whether the country will remain a raw materials appendage or industry will begin to develop, and everything else is “from the evil one”.
                    1. B.T.V.
                      B.T.V. 19 January 2018 08: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Do not put a shadow on the fence using similar terms


                      Regarding the "nationality" of the candidate "- the claim is not addressed, read the comments of those who call to vote for Grudinin.
                      Why confidence that he will do exactly what you are writing about (from his words) ?!
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 19 January 2018 10: 44
                        +2
                        The point is not in him, and not even in the personalities that go with him on the team, but in those who stand behind them. If, I do not confuse, then K. Marx wrote that under capitalism, there are two main clans, these are "financial capital" and "industrial". So, in my opinion, it would be better if “industrialists” come, because liberals / financiers over the past 17 years have ruined everything that is possible. We live, we are on income from pipes and other raw materials. You understand that it cannot go on for so long.
                        Hence the confidence that there will be GDP and Medvedev, the liberals will redevelop everything else, privatizing it for themselves and selling it. Grudinin will come and co., Industry will develop. And how, I think, people are scientists, they know.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 18 January 2018 10: 45
            17
            Quote: Boris55
            So is it worth changing the soap?

            That is, with that part of the assertion that our current government is molesters and thieves, do you agree? Already progress!
            It remains only to convince you that Grudinin is the owner of billions (and indeed where they come from, he is not Putin’s friend, and he doesn’t deal with raw materials!), All the more since there is already a refutation. Watch all the video that our colleague Stroporez provided us with, and any sober person will have no doubt - Grudinin is an honest person who is simply trying to slander. Why, you already know everything!
          3. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 11: 19
            15
            Well, what Putin sewed? He is a holey bag from which 20 years of lost time and opportunity are pouring.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 10: 01
          12
          Quote: Stas157
          Do not choke on saliva

          Stas, this is for you wassat
          "Fall in love" - this FIVE laughing
          You already have a thought ahead of your nails, a campaign wink
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 18 January 2018 10: 22
            +9
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Stas, this was for you wassat
            “Get hooked” is FIVE laughing
            You already have a thought ahead of your nails, a campaign

            What I like about you is that you notice my mistakes!)) I repent, hurried, was not attentive. This is my scourge, I can’t fix it ... but with your help, I hope I overcome it.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 18 January 2018 10: 51
              10
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              You already have a thought ahead of your nails, a campaign

              Add: you have chronic yes
          2. Korax71
            Korax71 18 January 2018 10: 49
            +5
            When there is nothing to say in the case, why cling to spelling. Often people write on the phone and not everyone has a pianist's fingers. But if you are so happy for the Russian language, then open a school and get the younger generation. I would even send my goddaughter to such a school yes
        3. Dashout
          Dashout 18 January 2018 10: 19
          13
          Quote: Stas157
          Do not choke on saliva, Golovan!

          What are you excited about?
          Already wrote above: in my opinion Grudinin is a blue thief from 12 chairs.
          no more, no less..
      2. novel66
        novel66 18 January 2018 07: 47
        +8
        bother straight all lol
      3. free
        free 18 January 2018 08: 59
        10
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Quote: White53
        At least one real candidateslogger.

        Baryga... and liar, or with memory is bad (I hastily closed accounts before registration, og).


        Trying weakly, weakly!
      4. White53
        White53 18 January 2018 12: 05
        +4
        You know, I even oppose you with disgust!
  6. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 18 January 2018 06: 35
    28
    I have a strong sense of deja vu about this character. The only difference from the ё-mobile ex-entrepreneur is that he is from the Communists. The main problem with all alternatives to GDP is absolute slurring and mumbling about how are they going to realize their loud slogans? All promises to give much, and how to give a favor, then all the popular promises are stolen from the bushes stolen, but not simple, but exclusively foreign.
    1. zyzx
      zyzx 18 January 2018 07: 56
      +8
      Wonderful, Putin has 6 years left, then what?
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 18 January 2018 08: 05
        39
        And then Putin will get out of nowhere a thread of an unknown dude left to anyone (just like himself Sobchak and Yeltsin at one time) and loudly declare to the whole country: “here he is my successor !!!”. Six months before the election I’ll be energetically promoting this guy in all the media, they’ll arrange 100500 actions like “flying on a fighter with Siberian Cranes and diving after amphora on Lada Kalina to Lake Baikal”. And all the "patriots" of Russia will argue that there is no alternative to this dude and that he is the only hope of the Russians. And all sorts of Grudinins, Boldyrevs, etc. etc. - this is all the projects of the State Department, the CIA, Mossad and Mi-6, who dream of ruining Russia.
        1. zyzx
          zyzx 18 January 2018 08: 13
          +7
          Yes you are right.
          1. parma
            parma 18 January 2018 08: 40
            14
            Yes, they all mumble ... Excuse me, but the GDP said something concrete, what and how it will do? Apparently I missed ... For while I heard only "I will do everything better than now" ... And then the question is, is all this and do it like that?
            And don’t shout it will be like in the 99s or like the lovers of bacon ... We have a too short period of “democracy” and so on, well, we don’t have any idea who is worse, who is better (and by the way cause)
        2. Sergey Cojocari
          Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 11: 24
          10
          Let it fly and dive, if only not for the demolition of houses and the sacramental, “we will water them in the toilet,” and then the nation-wide adoration, “Savior!”
      2. free
        free 18 January 2018 08: 57
        17
        Quote: zyzx
        Wonderful, Putin has 6 years left, then what?

        I hope he has 2 months left.
        1. SOF
          SOF 18 January 2018 10: 28
          13
          Quote: free
          I hope he has 2 months left.

          ... and then the "bright future" will begin, right on the next day kaaaak will begin.
          Weather vane, only, indicating the direction to put do not forget ... lol
          1. free
            free 18 January 2018 17: 07
            +5
            Quote: SOF
            Quote: free
            I hope he has 2 months left.

            ... and then the "bright future" will begin, right on the next day kaaaak will begin.
            Weather vane, only, indicating the direction to put do not forget ... lol

            For people like you, the pointer is ready!
            1. SOF
              SOF 18 January 2018 18: 28
              +2
              Quote: free
              For people like you, the pointer is ready!


              Like this ??? laughing
              ... enough, once already went to the result of the 90s, from the magnanimous Susanins of his followers.
              ... do you have anything new?
              1. free
                free 20 January 2018 00: 33
                +3
                Quote: SOF
                Quote: free
                For people like you, the pointer is ready!


                Like this ??? laughing
                ... enough, once already went to the result of the 90s, from the magnanimous Susanins of his followers.
                ... do you have anything new?

                In the 90s you were just thanks to those who are now in power, it was they who destroyed the Union, and now they plunder Russia.
        2. cedar
          cedar 18 January 2018 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: free
          Quote: zyzx
          Wonderful, Putin has 6 years left, then what?

          I hope he has 2 months left.

          It has already been clearly said: - "DO NOT WAIT"
    2. Rastas
      Rastas 18 January 2018 08: 35
      29
      Putin has no program, only I promise to promise, and about the specifics he says we will discuss, we will work out. But it suits you in Putin, and immediately attacked Grudinin. He already said 20 theses are quite correct. And why more specifically? Competitors can take advantage and something to intercept if they notice that the voters like the program.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 18 January 2018 08: 51
        27
        Quote: Rastas
        He already said 20 theses are quite correct.
        By the way, regarding 20 of these theses, Boldyrev stated that this is the most concise and concise version of the Grudinin program. For each of these theses there is a much more detailed description of further plans and actions, which can be read on the Communist Party website.
      2. cedar
        cedar 18 January 2018 18: 28
        +6
        Hey on the barge, a war has been waged against Russia for three years. The Commander-in-Chief has to be engaged in garbage, self-nominated, PR, run for, and this instead of building you, us ...
        Serve the program ... We will discuss, ponder, scratch the turnips and that, not, not that .... there, he has strawberries sweeter ...
        1. SOF
          SOF 18 January 2018 19: 37
          +4
          Quote: cedar
          Hey on the barge, a war has been waged against Russia for three years.

          ... truth !!!
          So that it would be with us, if in the middle of the Great Patriotic War, Stalin came to change someone’s "bright" head of thought ???
          Oh, allies were happy ......
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 22: 27
            +3
            Why did you remember Stalin? After all, the people did everything for the liberals, while Stalin stood nearby. This is when frankly did not interfere. So the example is clearly unsuccessful.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 18 January 2018 19: 41
          +8
          three years against Russia, a war has been waged.


          With whom at least you are at war. Just do not about America, these are Putin’s partners. He transfers money to them for the war with Russia.
          1. SOF
            SOF 18 January 2018 19: 53
            +3
            Quote: Gardamir
            He transfers money to them for the war with Russia.

            ... but weak evidence, signed personally by the Supreme? Just don’t, in your vocabulary, blame the fish for the head, otherwise you can recall the genocide of the proletariat near Tambov and recall the subsequent liquidation of Marshal Tukhachevsky, who, by the way, was involved in genocide, and then all this, and a big bunch of everything else, then "president" and hang .........
            ... or then it was possible Potamuuuushta possible ???
            No need to be like a sharpie with all the marked cards, which never loses, by default, because he has such a job ....
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 18 January 2018 20: 00
              +9
              weak evidence
              That is, he forbids Nabiullina, but she still lists such a hearing?
              1. SOF
                SOF 18 January 2018 21: 17
                +1
                Quote: Gardamir
                That is, he forbids Nabiullina, but she still lists such a hearing

                .... I warned ...
                Did Tukhachevsky himself invent everything or execute an order? And Tukhachevsky, then, by order or on his own initiative? And Yagoda, and Yezhov, and Beria ... themselves or an order? And them, then? Or lied to the lamb of God? But in Novocherkassk, already far after the war, was the order carried out or was there a gag? We continue ???
                Stupid conversation ... don't you think?
                Or, nevertheless, all the milestones listed by me in our history were approved and signed personally by the "presidents"?
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 18 January 2018 21: 48
                  +4
                  We continue ???
                  You still remember about Kulikovo field. It's about today's election
                2. Tatanka Yotanka
                  Tatanka Yotanka 18 January 2018 21: 50
                  +3
                  Quote: SOF
                  Stupid conversation ... don't you think?

                  even how to compare the past history of one country with the real state of another
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 18 January 2018 22: 50
                    +4
                    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                    even how to compare the past history of one country with the real state of another

                    ... for your information, there is no past history. She is always there and it’s very good to know her, so as not to step on the rake that was already applied to her forehead.
                    ... no, of course, it is possible in the image and likeness of neighbors. And what, cool after all, Maidan after Maidan. Romance. And, most importantly, the "partners" overseas are now probably storing popcorn, but they consider the budget to be set on the wrong ones. But all the same, they will be in the black if, when, we begin to bleed each other. Right?
                    1. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 19 January 2018 07: 02
                      +4
                      Quote: SOF
                      past history does not happen. She is always there and it’s very good to know her,

                      You tell this to the adept of Solzhenitsin-Putin, it is he who claims that Stalin shot the Poles in Katyn
                      Quote: SOF
                      No, of course, it is possible in the image of the neighbors. And what, cool after all, Maidan after Maidan. Romance.

                      is this your desire
                      1. SOF
                        SOF 19 January 2018 07: 44
                        +5
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        You tell this to the adept of Solzhenitsin-Putin, it is he who claims that Stalin shot the Poles in Katyn

                        ... your logic is strange: here I don’t want to remember the story, but here I want ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        is this your desire

                        ... no, judging by the aggressiveness with which, instead of advertising Grudinin, you pour mud at every corner of Putin, this is your desire.
                        ... and, for a snack: if in all troubles, right down to the cat that left the kittens, you know who is to blame, then ...
                        ... if you are singing one song in unison with Western "partners", then that means ......
                        No offense, I just used your associative series ....
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 19 January 2018 08: 11
                        +4
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        You tell this to the adept of Solzhenitsin-Putin, it is he who claims that Stalin shot the Poles in Katyn

                        for the sake of justice, to argue that "Stalin shot the Poles in Katyn" started General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU M.S. Gorbachev in 1990 city
                      3. g1washntwn
                        g1washntwn 23 January 2018 09: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                        is this your desire

                        This is called sarcasm, google value at your leisure. And yes, more about a sense of humor at the same time. Although, I agree with the author of the post, the neighbor historically had a situation: "He stole, drank, Maidan. Stole, drank, Maidan." Precisely that "romance!" and they don’t want to change it under any sauce.
            2. free
              free 19 January 2018 10: 57
              +1
              Quote: SOF
              Quote: Gardamir
              He transfers money to them for the war with Russia.

              ... but weak evidence, signed personally by the Supreme? Just don’t, in your vocabulary, blame the fish for the head, otherwise you can recall the genocide of the proletariat near Tambov and recall the subsequent liquidation of Marshal Tukhachevsky, who, by the way, was involved in genocide, and then all this, and a big bunch of everything else, then "president" and hang .........
              ... or then it was possible Potamuuuushta possible ???
              No need to be like a sharpie with all the marked cards, which never loses, by default, because he has such a job ....

              Look out the window, enough !?
              1. SOF
                SOF 19 January 2018 11: 41
                +6
                Quote: free
                Look out the window, enough !?

                looked ...
                What was to see? What is all bad? It’s not true, not really ice, but it’s quite sane, considering that the oil is no longer 150, but about 50 dangles, that they stick shafts into our wheels from all sides, they say that it’s for Crimea. Crimea, I hope to give, in your opinion, is not necessary? Considering that this peninsula, and all urkaine as a whole, have a dislike for Western "partners" about the same as a horse for an internal combustion engine, and they don’t like the fact that we stopped standing in front of them in a certain pose. Given the fact that it’s very difficult to bend your line, because the “partners” still think that we can be returned to the position, but we, nevertheless, cannot afford stupid antics with shoes in the UN Security Council, if we don’t want of course , in perspective, give the planet to rats and cockroaches.
                He looked again ... Is everything all right? NO The same is not true ... Thieves, crooks, bribe takers and other scum divorced - horror ... Hercules, with his Augean stables, and that could not cope .... at once. Everything is like in the period from 1917 to 22, do not you? Or from 1941 to 47 (approximately). Nothing suggestive?
                And, most importantly, the fatter the rogue, the deeper he tries to get into United Russia :) And it turns out ... and from there - clap - he became an official, with all his connections, structures and schemes ... And from there try it skovryni.
                A lot of bad, but good is not enough.
                Now remember the shelves in stores from the mid-80s to the beginning of the 90s, the New Year’s assault on Grozny, the state of the industry at that time, the salary level, default of 1998, vouchers, MMM, cigarette butts in the three-liter cans sold on the market .... .......... In general, no difference ??? No? Could it be worse?
                ... then we live in different countries.
                1. free
                  free 19 January 2018 12: 07
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                  Quote: SOF
                  Quote: free
                  Look out the window, enough !?

                  looked ...
                  What was to see? What is all bad? It’s not true, not really ice, but it’s quite sane, considering that the oil is no longer 150, but about 50 dangles, that they stick shafts into our wheels from all sides, they say that it’s for Crimea. Crimea, I hope to give, in your opinion, is not necessary? Considering that this peninsula, and all urkaine as a whole, have a dislike for Western "partners" about the same as a horse for an internal combustion engine, and they don’t like the fact that we stopped standing in front of them in a certain pose. Given the fact that it’s very difficult to bend your line, because the “partners” still think that we can be returned to the position, but we, nevertheless, cannot afford stupid antics with shoes in the UN Security Council, if we don’t want of course , in perspective, give the planet to rats and cockroaches.
                  He looked again ... Is everything all right? NO The same is not true ... Thieves, crooks, bribe takers and other scum divorced - horror ... Hercules, with his Augean stables, and that could not cope .... at once. Everything is like in the period from 1917 to 22, do not you? Or from 1941 to 47 (approximately). Nothing suggestive?
                  And, most importantly, the fatter the rogue, the deeper he tries to get into United Russia :) And it turns out ... and from there - clap - he became an official, with all his connections, structures and schemes ... And from there try it skovryni.
                  A lot of bad, but good is not enough.
                  Now remember the shelves in stores from the mid-80s to the beginning of the 90s, the New Year’s assault on Grozny, the state of the industry at that time, the salary level, default of 1998, vouchers, MMM, cigarette butts in the three-liter cans sold on the market .... .......... In general, no difference ??? No? Could it be worse?
                  ... then we live in different countries.

                  Those crooks about whom you say all your good will be destroyed and they will not blink an eye, and worst of all, the collapse course is still not replaced.
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 19 January 2018 13: 37
                    +5
                    Quote: free
                    Those crooks about whom you speak all your good will destroy and will not blink an eye.

                    I agree with this 100%, but this rot perfectly lives on any system. On the fly, they will transform into communists when necessary, and the glories of socialism will be no less than yours. Remember Central Asia during the Union .... there the whole life of the state lived in the state, but as a whole throughout the USSR how many party bosses were there? Do you remember the Birch shop? And the special rations, the so-called, where did those who were "more equal" among equals get food? The only difference is that in the past they only talked about this in a whisper in the kitchen, but now anywhere, anytime, and as much as you like.
                    ... and about the collapse ...
                    if you sweep away all the husks, called sanctions, and the worldwide pressure that fell upon us after 2014, then in my opinion the glass is more likely than empty, and the patient is more likely alive than dead ...
                    And imagining the sensations of an organism, which gradually, with difficulty, gets out of a coma, I am more than sure that it is impossible to shake and wake it — it is dangerous for life.
                    It needs evolution ... and only evolution.
                    1. free
                      free 20 January 2018 00: 39
                      +4
                      I for the Stalin Union then took this scum for the gills quickly, and then there were no mass birch trees and special rations for the elite, but for scientists it was right because it was the scientists who were the real elite, we had to overcome the gap from the capstran over 10 years and make only scientists could do it, they did. And what did the current government do? ditch the Union (it was they who did it) and is destroying Russia now.
                    2. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2018 22: 46
                      +4
                      You have evolutionists; there is no understanding of what a historical process is. But there is an extreme concern for their current well-being. Then, when you have to tear the state organism through blood, sweat and tears through ten times the great sacrifice to reform the state, you will be guilty of Stalin, Peter 1, Ivan by the name of Grozny, anyone but you. A revolution itself is inevitable, and the reactionary forces to which you belong will sooner or later be thrown into the dustbin of history. And then do not whine that bad people have treated you badly. You deserve it.
                      1. g1washntwn
                        g1washntwn 23 January 2018 08: 33
                        +1
                        Do you have a clear vision of the situation? No matter how you look, a revolutionary? What is revolution is the demolition of the old system and the construction of a new one. And will "well-wishers" give you after demolition to build everything anew and better than it was? Recall the fundamental thesis of American success? America should be the first (and in what way their conscience does not care).
                        I can only say that the experience of the USSR in a more or less successful attempt at construction, but the process stalled and the party elite all successes were delayed .. and then frankly merged in attempts to integrate with the West. Therefore, I will tell you a revolution one proverb - rush is needed only when catching fleas, because building statehood is not the same, and not even growing strawberries in separate greenhouse conditions.
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 18 January 2018 07: 01
    11
    Agitation flooded!
    the goods themselves were delivered, they themselves advertised, weighed, packaged and paid.

    It remains only to eat ... for me it is so indigestible ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 18 January 2018 07: 49
      +2
      you never know what is tasteless - but useful! just kidding! lol
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 18 January 2018 08: 00
        +8
        Quote: novel xnumx
        but useful!

        Go on, but eat? laughing
        1. novel66
          novel66 18 January 2018 09: 40
          +4
          and then on the pope or in the corner laughing
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  10. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 18 January 2018 07: 18
    +4
    Businessmen are flexible people, otherwise you won’t last long in business, and you must be firm in managing the country and always keep your line in everything, but! But without changing the strategy, it is necessary to react flexibly and even very flexibly and quickly to events in the country for one purpose only - to improve the lives of people living in this country, which is now hardly visible, only talking or small things in this direction. Thieves do not sit where they should sit, but continue to sit in warm and secluded places and continue to steal legally, it’s convenient for them ... This is not what is needed. Can a Communist candidate do this if he suddenly becomes president? Will he break the whole country and the stability that most like? Will the new year 1917 succeed in a country with a subsequent civil war? Many questions...
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 18 January 2018 07: 52
      10
      I agree with you that the president should be firm and most importantly serve his people, the interests of his country, and not bend under the interests of other states and specific people, not engage in PR and shows, as we see, especially the last 5 years!
      1. Rastas
        Rastas 18 January 2018 08: 36
        +8
        The last 5 years just PR.
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 18 January 2018 10: 51
      +8
      until you try how do you know?
      but about
      Will the new year 1917 succeed in a country with a subsequent civil war?
      I can say one thing: it’s rather the other way around, simply because the whole gang that is now in power will have these last 6 years, and therefore they will not be embarrassed to rob, as they will have nothing to lose! and the answer can be quite unpredictable, or .... vice versa? request
      I don’t know, maybe it’s a fake, but the rumor goes that those in power want to extend Plato to passenger cars, that is, we’ll blow another transport tax to us .... and looking at the actions of our Ministry of Economic Development, for some reason lines of genius come to my mind, I’m not afraid of the word of the writer Alexei Tolstoy in his novel Peter the Great, it’s a scene of finding money for a Livonian campaign, when the boyars were sentenced to another tax!
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 January 2018 08: 16
        +3
        "Plato" .... you are aware, I hope, that approximately 2/3 of drivers and / or truck owners do not pay any taxes AT ALL .. that almost all cargo transportation in the country is illegal ... that 3/4 of passenger traffic - illegal ..
        "Plato" is an attempt to at least tidy up the lawlessness of motorists ..
        1. Celt
          Celt 20 January 2018 09: 39
          +2
          Do you know in general that we compared the United States with the price of fuel, and most of the salaries are not state-owned .... and even taxes are not weak for Russia, and Plato ... of course the mess of transport workers ... ridiculous)))
          1. your1970
            your1970 20 January 2018 11: 58
            +3
            Quote: Celt
            Do you know in general that we compared the United States with the price of fuel, and most of the salaries are not state-owned .... and even taxes are not weak for Russia, and Plato ... of course the mess of transport workers ... ridiculous)))
            -And you just calculate how much it costs to transport 1 ton of cargo, be very surprised ...
            we are taken by watermelons in the Volgograd region for 1 ruble per kilo (150 km) and sold for 15 rub per kg. Watermelons are good, they disperse quickly, they take apart a car in a week. 10 tons = 150, of which 000 liters of diesel fuel per 40 km , 100 * 40 = 3 * 120 rubles per liter = 40.
            Total 150 000-4800 (5000 for an even account) -10 000 (the cost of buying watermelons) - 5 000 (loading (roughly) = 130 000 rubles. Let 30 000 go to depreciation, in real life it is much less (there is actually no mileage) .
            On hand 100 per week.
            He pays taxes? Yeah, right now ..
            It's simple a small example of a fat motorists.
            An example of a large brew is minibuses traveling between cities.
            9 routes bring the owner to DAY 800 000 rub. PROFIT.
            He pays taxes ?? Yeah, right now ...

            cry for the heavy fate of trucking
            1. Celt
              Celt 20 January 2018 15: 01
              0
              Watermelons are seasonal goods, and hucksters who rent wagons profit, truck owners have a percentage rather than a big gain ... from Volgograd and Astrakhan, watermelons need to be sent by barges, it is more profitable))
              1. your1970
                your1970 22 January 2018 09: 36
                +3
                until 2014 the owner of KAMAZ could afford to buy Nissan Qashqai for 1 season without bothering much ..... without loans or anything else

                we carry for example Gazelles metal rolling from Moscow / St. Petersburg.4 tons are transported at a time belay belaybelay, on the road the rear axles burst quite often (it has already become a hot commodity in spare parts stores along the tracks). Only after us the three bridges burst near us. Nevertheless, despite the purchase of a new bridge, it remains profitable for them.
                Z.Y. The fact that they cut the road with wheels that are designed for pressure 2 times less is a fact.
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  13. parusnik
    parusnik 18 January 2018 07: 47
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    This whole fuss with Grudinin .. Reminds me of the following: Mark Twain - "How I ran for governor" .... A few months ago, I was nominated as an independent candidate for governor of the great state of New York. The two main parties nominated Mr. John T. Smith and Mr. Blank J. Blanck, but I realized that I have an important advantage over these gentlemen, namely, a spotless reputation. One had only to look through the newspapers to make sure that if they were ever decent people, then these times have long passed ..... Then there was a message that I poisoned my uncle in order to take possession of his property. The newspaper persistently demanded an autopsy. I was afraid that I was about to lose my mind. But this is not enough: I was accused of being the trustee of a shelter for foundlings, I attached, with the patronage of my mindless toothless relatives, to the post of chewing food for pets. My head went round. Finally, the shameless persecution that hostile parties subjected me to the highest point: according to someone’s instigation during the election meeting, nine babies of all skin colors and in a variety of rags climbed onto the podium and, clinging to my legs, began to shout: "Dad!" . I could not stand it. I lowered the flag and surrendered. I could not run for the position of governor of New York. I wrote that I was withdrawing my candidacy, and in a fit of bitterness I signed: "With perfect respect, yours, once an honest man, and now: the Vile Oathbreaker, Montansky Thief, the Defiler Tombs, Blue Devils, Dirty Dodger and the Sneaky Blackmailer Mark Twain "... The show must go on ...
  14. zyzx
    zyzx 18 January 2018 07: 51
    29
    When Grudinin was nominated, I took it absolutely neutral ...., but what started in the morning, all the famous patriotic bloggers, broke the chain, I did not see such vulgarity about anyone. Then I read the articles, there they accuse the person that he is rich, the owner, and what kind of communist he is. I did not understand this at all, we have a kind of capitalist country and blame, while the person in the presence of private property, excuse me! And excuse me if the poor person wants to become president. The first one simply will not let him in, and the second media will yell that he went to the presidency for the rogue, he could not even make money for himself! Then went photos of Zyuganov’s meeting with Teft, supposedly America approved, Grudinin himself, with Udaltsov. Well? I can always post Putin presenting the award to Alekseeva, only a problem, this photo makes me sick. And about Chubais and Grefs, I am generally silent. From such a persecution of a person, I honestly got a little dumb.
    On foreign policy to Putin, there are no questions, but on the economy .... the next minister of us makes Norway ...
  15. Earnest
    Earnest 18 January 2018 07: 58
    31
    I respect Putin very much, I consider him the greatest surviving politician in the world, but I will vote for Grudinin. Because since 2011 of the year I’ve only watched how the operating industrial enterprises of my friends, contractors and competitors are slowly weakening, sliding from production activities to a primitive cash-out controlled by local princes from state corporations to theft on postscript to state contracts, return of VAT from exports through their own offshore desks ... Because the site "Made with Us" I look and cry from the ratio of units of solemnly opened new enterprises to hundreds of ruined and closed. Because the wife, working in the regional Rosstat, paints in paints the methods of bending statistics in the direction necessary to the authorities. There are many others “because”, but the most important of them is that the GDP has built the current system of pumping cents from the population’s pocket into dollars on offshore accounts of close ones.
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 18 January 2018 10: 55
      +7
      the site does not allow more than one +
      and so, from me and my fellow thinkers +++++++++++++++++++ and so 100500 times
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 11: 31
      14
      Then WHAT do you respect Putin for? If even a quarter of what you wrote is true, then in terms of the totality of crimes he shines "a life-long echich with nails."
  16. Loess
    Loess 18 January 2018 08: 00
    12
    The fact that all the media that have published these results, in the comments (who is allowed) dozens screaming "And we are for Grudinina," is a trifle.

    If the "Zagrudinians" scream louder, this does not mean that there are more of them.
    1. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 18 January 2018 11: 32
      13
      So the opposite is true - if zaputintsy ....
  17. Boris55
    Boris55 18 January 2018 08: 15
    16
    Supporters of Grudilin. What do you expect from him?
    Personally, I expect Putin to get rid of the dollar and work is already underway in this direction. "China, India and Russia have led the Asian Bank." What is this talking about? The fact that the dominance of the dollar comes to an end and the ruble will become one of the world currencies.
    Why do I believe that he will achieve this? Yes, because throughout his reign he paved the way for this. I will not repeat myself.
    I am waiting for an answer what does anyone expect from Grudilin, how is he going to achieve this? So what kind of noo shi noodles does he hang up with his supporters?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 18 January 2018 08: 54
      25
      Quote: Boris55
      The fact that the dominance of the dollar comes to an end and the ruble will become one of the world currencies.
      lol Funny, honestly ... You still remember about the imminent collapse of the United States.
      Quote: Boris55
      Yes, because throughout his reign he paved the way for this.
      18 years preparing the ground?
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 18 January 2018 09: 06
        10
        Quote: Greenwood
        Funny, honestly ..

        "The one who laughs last laughs well!"
      2. mcqway
        mcqway 18 January 2018 10: 21
        14
        Exactly. Preparing and preparing the ground. And besides that, it rakes the shit of the 90s.
        The man (Putin) is just working hard. Well, from the sofa you can poke about gasoline)))
        And why most of all whine and advocate for pensions for those who have a car, apartment, cottages + rest not less than a couple of hundred thousand at a time?
        1. Zefr
          Zefr 19 January 2018 12: 33
          +4
          While Putin has been raking shit for 17 years, we remember that 16 years after the war, man flew into space.
      3. Victor Demchenko
        Victor Demchenko 18 January 2018 10: 57
        13
        and don't forget about 6 TRILLION rubles distilled by Mrs. Nabeullina, oh sorry for the typo, Nabiullina, to the accounts of the Fed
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 18 January 2018 08: 54
      24
      Putin
      These are Shuvalov, Timchenko, Nabiullina, Chubais, of course Dvorkovich with Medvedev. And also happy Serdyukov with Vasilyeva. And where is the rejection of the dollar?
      And in general it’s uncultural to distort the name of the candidate, just because you do not like him.
    3. BABAY22
      BABAY22 18 January 2018 08: 56
      13
      You probably just got off the ramp. We have not been to Russia for a long time.
      Here, EVERYONE knows the strengths and weaknesses of GDP. Know what a "great economist" he is. And he can make the ruble a world currency in only one single way - to hoist our tricolor over the Capitol. And this is not a joke.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 18 January 2018 08: 59
        13
        Tpruuu! Stop, Dawn! People, what did I ask you about? What are you talking about? wassat
        And then after all, I may get the impression that you yourself do not understand why Grudilin is going to the presidency.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 18 January 2018 09: 39
          +6
          Quote: Boris55
          why is Grudilin going to the presidency.
          I do not understand, please explain.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 18 January 2018 09: 42
            12
            Quote: Greenwood
            I do not understand, please explain.

            For what.? I have been expressing my point of view on this issue for more than one day. In short, to prevent Putin from nationalizing Russia.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 18 January 2018 10: 38
              17
              Quote: Boris55
              In short, to prevent Putin from nationalizing Russia.

              You must have been mistaken: "Do not let Putin privatize Russia." wink By the way, how is the program of Putin and his government on privatization going on successfully?
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 18 January 2018 10: 42
              20
              nationalize
              Sorry, I didn’t recognize Evgeny Vaganovich in make-up, I haven’t laughed like that for a long time. Well, you don’t have to keep all fools. Putin continues to privatize. One gift to Qatar is worth it.
            3. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 18 January 2018 10: 58
              11
              what time! and who didn’t let him do just that for 17 years? lol
      2. mcqway
        mcqway 18 January 2018 10: 25
        15
        Babai. When the bandits covered your neighbor and are already bursting at your door - will you wash the dishes in the kitchen? This is about GDP and the economy.
        And then - they completely forgot who in 2004 returned resources to the country?
        Who paid all the debts that they gained in the "glorious" liberal 90s?
        Huh?
        1. BABAY22
          BABAY22 18 January 2018 12: 36
          +2
          mcqway. What am I telling you?
          GDP is not a huckster. GDP is a warrior.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 18 January 2018 15: 40
            +9
            And the dismissal from the KGB in difficult times - an act worthy of a warrior?
            1. BABAY22
              BABAY22 18 January 2018 16: 54
              +4
              Do you think that everything is so primitive? What was he supposed to oversee and supervise Sobchak in the major epaulettes of the Leningrad City Council (and Sobchak then methylated as president of the USSR)? And for shoulder straps at that time in Leningrad one could easily get in the face in the street.
              Conclusion. There are no former KGB officers, especially as the President of Russia. And exceptions to this rule, suddenly leave this world.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 19 January 2018 08: 52
                +5
                Quote: BABAY22
                What was he supposed to oversee in the major epaulettes of the Leningrad City Council and Sobchak to oversee (and Sobchak then methylated to the presidency of the USSR)? And for shoulder straps at that time in Leningrad one could easily get in the face in the street.
                But this is the very chameleonism and conjuncturism that Grudinin is accused of. Those. your favorite guarantor, depending on the political and economic situation in the country, skillfully repaints from a communist to a capitalist, from a KGB officer to a porter of a portfolio, from a liberal Yeltsinist to a "patriot-statesman." Well what can I say, my applause.
    4. 100502
      100502 18 January 2018 09: 16
      +5
      You hang noodles
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 18 January 2018 09: 18
        +9
        Quote: 100502
        You hang noodles

        The amazing ability of some individuals not to answer the question!
    5. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 18 January 2018 11: 02
      25
      Quote: Boris55
      So what kind of noo shi noodles does he hang up with his supporters?

      1. Boris55
        Boris55 18 January 2018 11: 30
        +6
        Did I ask you something? What, say nothing? Who is the thread, if only not for Putin? How do your wishes coincide with the wishes of the State Department ... or maybe you get a salary there too? Then there are no questions for you. hi
        1. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 18 January 2018 14: 01
          13
          Quote: Boris55
          maybe you get salary there too? Then there are no questions for you.

          You, Sharikov, are talking nonsense and what is most outrageous is that you say it categorically and confidently.
          in your criticizing Putin all on the salary of the State Department what here probably half of these))) probably the government headed by the prime minister is entirely patriots because they do not criticize, although patriotism is only for the poor and state employees, who are richer in those passports of Malta and offshore
          strange thing is, the more investments in the US economy, the increase in oligarchs, officials, the course for further privatization, the outflow of capital, the discontent of the poor, the more strongly the Department of State scolds Putin, creating the illusion of the one and only, but what happens to him (God forbid) - what shall we do? many rely on the army and the military-industrial complex, forgetting that when a political course changes, it very quickly degrades as it was in the USSR, and then the present patriots and ideological were more and less worthy of the current
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 18 January 2018 14: 55
            +3
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            in your criticizing Putin all on the salary of the State Department

            My question was not about Putin. I asked what, who, what expects from Grudilin. And in response - silence ... The main thing is that it is against and no matter what ...
        2. Old
          Old 19 January 2018 00: 44
          +5
          You did not understand?
          just no one wants to delve into the discussion with you. Grudinin has a 20 Steps program. people hope for its fulfillment ... This is short.
  18. AleBors
    AleBors 18 January 2018 08: 38
    +3
    Respecting the opinion of the author, I note that the fuss for the election campaign has begun. I’ll just watch with interest. What other streams of slops will pour out from different "horns" ...
  19. Vladimir K
    Vladimir K 18 January 2018 08: 40
    +1
    Something will be, something will be.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 18 January 2018 08: 56
      +1
      Navalny will become president! And the Prime Minister Sobchak.
  20. Lnglr
    Lnglr 18 January 2018 08: 52
    23
    For Grudinin!
    Communist Party, PDS NPSR, Left Front - Go!
    Authors of comments like "What will Grudinin give you?" Apparently, they do not quite understand that Grudinin is not going alone, but as part of a team.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 18 January 2018 09: 01
      +7
      Quote: Lnglr
      Apparently, they do not quite understand that Grudinin is not going alone, but as part of a team.

      And what does the team want?
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 18 January 2018 09: 46
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        Well, I hope the team wants the individuals of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to hang together on a rack and with a sense, with sense and arrangement, talk about the size and numbers of their offshore accounts and their desire to transfer this money to Sberbank, which by then will not be under the control of the Fed owners. So that the thieves in power together went to the construction of the monorail Yakutsk - Magadan and uranium mines. So that our team does not appear in robes and under white rags, so that the bowels, forests and land belong to the people, and not to a bunch of villains.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 18 January 2018 10: 29
          +8
          Quote: zoolu350
          Well, I hope the team wants the individuals of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to hang together on their hind legs and with feeling, with good sense and arrangement

          Do you think that he himself, and his companions, will drive on the rack? laughing
          1. zoolu350
            zoolu350 18 January 2018 16: 07
            +3
            Well, if the individuals of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation are comrades for him, then not after the elections, but after the social explosion, he will hang on the rack with them and talk in detail about their friendship.
    2. Captain45
      Captain45 18 January 2018 11: 49
      +6
      Quote: Lnglr
      For Grudinin!
      Communist Party, PDS NPSR, Left Front - Go!

      Excuse me, but honestly, I personally, as a voter, this combination of PDS NPRS does not appeal to me, because by association with Lavrov’s famous expression “DBL BLT”, PDS reminds me of the abbreviation for homosexuals, and with pederasts I have no way. hi
      1. Lnglr
        Lnglr 19 January 2018 11: 51
        +2
        This is very entertaining))) It turns out that you, as a user of the VO resource (which is positioned as patriotically oriented), do not know the abbreviations PDS NPSR? Yes, and compare this abbreviation with homosexuals?
        Apparently, your political horizons are seriously limited by some kind of framework.
        Well .... Very sad.
        1. Captain45
          Captain45 19 January 2018 13: 30
          0
          Quote: Lnglr
          Well .... Very sad.

          The sad thing is that you do not carefully read the comments. Re-read again, maybe you will understand.
          PDS - PederaSt. Does this interpretation of the abbreviation suit? Does the word "abbreviation" need to be clarified?