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The newest US destroyer, USS Michael Monsoor DDG-1001, of the Zumwalt project, left the shipyard in December and began the first stage of sea trials. Shipbuilders and crew check the work of the main systems.

The ship is named in memory of the naval officer Michael Monsure, who died in Iraq in 2006. He was part of the joint squad "sea lions" and the local military. Monsur covered with his body a grenade abandoned by the rebels. At the cost of life, an officer saved three special forces and eight Iraqi soldiers. In April 2008, George Bush signed a decree awarding Michael Monsur a posthumous Medal of Honor. During his lifetime, he managed to get for service in Iraq Bronze and Silver Stars.

This is a business of Americans, but it was hardly worth the name of such a hero to call a ship, released on a deliberately failed project (“Special Troika”). American sailors have already called the destroyer "iron", not only because of the specific appearance, but also because of, to put it mildly, mediocre nautical qualities.

Rails to nowhere

By some irony, almost simultaneously with the announcement of the start of sea trials of the second destroyer of the Zumvolt class, it became known that the American military was going to abandon the railguns - electromagnetic guns, which were to become the main weapons these ships. Under them, it was, in fact, designed.

A working model that could be passed to military trials was never created. But riveted it for 12 years. The venture cost 500 millions of dollars, but the project was never brought to the desired parameters. Most likely it will be closed.

For the sake of objectivity, it should be said that the railgun, commissioned by the US Navy, works, only instead of ten shots per minute given by the military, it provides only four. In addition, there is information about the extremely low resource of the main parts of the installation, although the developers hide the information on the number of applications of the gun before the replacement of components.

However, if the railgun corresponded to the technical requirements of the military, it would have been issued on the mountain, its use on the Zumvolta would be extremely problematic due to the insufficient power of the ship's power plant. In order to fire, it would be necessary to de-energize all the other systems of the ship at that time, in effect making it blind and deaf.

But as we see, now this problem is irrelevant. But the question arose: what, in fact, is to arm the “ship of the future”?

Toothless Thunderstorm of the Seas

Strictly speaking, the replacement of laser or electromagnetic guns with traditional rocket and artillery systems raised the question of a radical revision of the entire project, but there was already no time or money for this. The “destroyer of the future” project has already cost 22 billion dollars to US taxpayers. The cost of Zumvolt itself is seven billion, more expensive than the Nimitz aircraft carrier, the last to be commissioned by the US Navy, and it was absolutely impossible to add anything else.

Therefore, the weapons system was sculpted from what was in a hurry. As a result, in the arsenal there was no place for anti-ship missiles, which are mandatory today for projects claiming universality. The destroyer can oppose competitors only artillery systems caliber 155 millimeters - powerful, but not enough speed (10 rounds per minute).

In addition, Zumvolt has twenty TLUs for Tomahawk cruise missiles, of which there are 80 units in ammunition. Was it worth it for this fuss? After all, let's say, upgraded Ohio-class nuclear submarines carry the Tomahawk 154, and the cost of their conversion is about four times less. According to the technical assignment, one of the main functions of Zumvolt is anti-missile and air defense. These problems are supposed to be solved with the aid of the RIM-162 ESSM SAM, which have a range of up to 50 kilometers and an interception ceiling of 15 kilometers, which is clearly not enough for such a powerful ship, especially to solve the tasks of covering an aircraft carrier group or region.

Invisible and blind

In addition, it is worth noting that radar systems provide only half of the declared in the technical requirement of the military capacity. As for security, there is no armor on the destroyer. It has Kevlar reinforcement according to the citadel principle, which is able to trap shards. But from the Russian missiles with armored warheads, it will not save. The launchers are not protected and can be damaged even from a large-caliber machine gun, which, for example, is armed with some boats of Somali pirates.

The main highlight of the destroyer is its "invisibility" or rather, low-visibility for radio observation equipment, achieved thanks to the special geometry of the hull and superstructure - extremely smooth, tapering upward, betraying the ship futuristic look, and a special absorbing coating. Thanks to this, Stealth technology and a ship with a length of 183 meter looks like a one-mast sailing ship on the radar. For the same purpose, the destroyer received a ramming stem, which should "cut the wave."

The Zumvolt contrasts strongly resembles casemate battleships of the monitor type during the Civil War in the United States and with similar nautical qualities. It is noteworthy that the former chief of staff of the US Navy, Admiral Gary Rafad back in the 2008 year, when the construction of the first ship was just beginning, declared its uselessness. He pointed to poor seaworthiness, poor security, as well as the absence of the weapons under which the project was started. However, the leadership of the US Navy and the structures that lobbied for the project had their reasons.

Navy loves a trinity

After repeated delays and scandals, the head Zumvolt officially joined fleet October 15, 2016, however, according to official statements, his participation in military operations is possible no earlier than 2018. But this is doubtful, given the numerous ship failures that occur literally from scratch.

The real, tactical niche of this ship is still a mystery. If we consider these destroyers as just a platform for launching Tomahawks, a kind of modern gunboat, then all of their innovative, expensive options seem to be clearly superfluous. A more logical and understandable option can be considered the Zumvolt as a floating laboratory in which advanced technologies will be tested and run-in. One such "platform" is more than enough. But as we see, the American defense industry intends to execute the minimum program and commission three such ships, and initially it was planned to build the 32. The third sample, the Lyndon B. Johnson, was laid a year ago at the Bath Iron Works shipyard. He will be the last in the Zumvolt series. Why replicate the apparently raw and unfinished design three times? The answer is clearly not in the military or scientific spheres, but on a purely commercial plane.
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 21 January 2018 15: 34
    +6
    Forty such pieces must be built!
  2. cormorant
    cormorant 21 January 2018 15: 38
    +1
    A working model that could be passed to military trials was never created. But riveted it for 12 years. The venture cost 500 millions of dollars, but the project was never brought to the desired parameters. Most likely it will be closed.
    It seems recently there was infa that the project was successfully closed ...
  3. avt
    avt 21 January 2018 16: 18
    +9
    The real, tactical niche of this ship is still a mystery.
    Oh how dare you unworthy, raise your voice on Oleg’s favorite ship, designed by pests "!!!!!! bully On the fire eritica! To the fire!
    1. dumkopff
      dumkopff 22 January 2018 10: 29
      +2
      Also the first thing I remembered about Oleg.
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 January 2018 17: 02
    +1
    The US Navy in Zumvolty was not disappointed, oddly enough.
    They are going to remodel from "drummers along the shore," as planned,
    in the "strikers on surface ships of the enemy." For this, instead
    Tomahawks in cells MK 57 VLS will be placed new anti-ship
    missiles LRAASM
    1. sd68
      sd68 21 January 2018 18: 01
      +2
      Lrasma is also included in the good old MK41.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 January 2018 19: 30
        0
        But the Zumvolts have flat MK 57 along the sides. The layout is different.
        1. sd68
          sd68 21 January 2018 21: 00
          +1
          Mk57 has a larger cell size. And you can’t see projects like this
    2. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 21 January 2018 23: 54
      +2
      It would be logical, except for one small thing - tell me the real parameters of seaworthiness of this prodigy? And is it true that the air defense of a destroyer with a displacement of 14500 tons is so weak? Still, 15 km of altitude and 50 km radius is like the BUK 3M approximately and clearly weak for an attack ship. And will it not work out that “the ship is good, it’s only afraid of water”)) That is, this product of the American genius will not be able to conduct operations in the seas with waves above 4-5 points. And then what? To stand at the piers and fend off anti-ship missiles, adjusted a / bombs, and so on ... with such air defense ??
      1. 11 black
        11 black 27 January 2018 21: 33
        0
        Quote: Lev Bronsch
        It would be logical, except for one small thing - tell me the real parameters of seaworthiness of this prodigy? And is it true that the air defense of a destroyer with a displacement of 14500 tons is so weak? Still, 15 km of altitude and 50 km radius is like the BUK 3M approximately and clearly weak for an attack ship. And will it not work out that “the ship is good, it’s only afraid of water”)) That is, this product of the American genius will not be able to conduct operations in the seas with waves above 4-5 points. And then what? To stand at the piers and fend off anti-ship missiles, adjusted a / bombs, and so on ... with such air defense ??

        You’d better think - why would he need a completely radio-transparent body add-on (even a cork wood frame) with a metal case? Why does he need incomprehensible kingstones on the entire board (which eat up a tuyeva heap of volume and expand downwards, which can save the ship a low center of gravity even when they are full)? Why does he need a special nose shape - which, among other things, allows you to cut the wave, and not rise above it? Interesting questions ...
  5. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 21 January 2018 17: 56
    +2
    The project began at the time of the existence of the USSR and accordingly focused on countering our Navy then in the 90s the strongest in the world and radio stealth from the same opera and today when our Navy is in ... knockout and the main opponents are Papuans with Ak-47 all of it Stealth is clearly redundant, but times are changing and we have it with a creak, but they are building something and reinsuring themselves in the mattress, all of a sudden, so let there be an Uber-destoer able to sneak up and knock out our Peter the Great and then leak completely unnoticed by our `` primitive radars ''. Something like this
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    2. zyzx
      zyzx 25 January 2018 19: 51
      +1
      Against ship missiles, they didn’t fit on him, what other questions?
    3. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 30 January 2018 18: 29
      0
      Unnoticed 200 meters? and 14500 tons? Are you seriously? But in general, no one will ever see such a "trifle" ?? You can still hope for the "invisibility" F22 in certain angles when scanning certain wavelengths. At a cruising speed of 1500 km / h, the Reptor can fulfill its tactical tasks or not, this is how they will build a radar field and how they will use air defense. And here - 30 km / h on a radio-contrast surface and 12-13 thousand tons of all kinds of metals. Of course imperceptible, yeah))). Only about wooden superstructures of this underwaffe is not necessary, please. Comrade "warrior wow" has already agreed on a shock zumolit over squadrons of adversaries. I did not take into account the truth of the real seaworthiness of this creation, its airborne defense, including radars and other small arms. And so yes, whoever approaches the pier where the zomvolt is moored for 200 miles, but does not fly up, he will get RCC aboard! True, why are adversaries ??
  6. sd68
    sd68 21 January 2018 18: 09
    +2
    Of course, in this form the ship raises more questions than answers.
    The use of new universal MK57 cells is understandable; they are larger than MK41 and, accordingly, missile defense systems can be developed for them that surpass existing characteristics.
    But further solid questions.
    1. Why would an expensive ship shoot cannons along the shore with the risk that a screwdriver would fly? How is landing support and expensive ultra-long-range missiles combined?
    2. Why put 2 guns? This is absurd, it is better to add one ammunition.
    3. Why were the radars castrated to such an extent that it became suitable only for medium-range missiles?
    4. Why does no one move to three expensive ships to develop shock and anti-aircraft missiles?

    And many other questions ....
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 21 January 2018 19: 35
      +1
      "from guns along the shore with the risk that a screwdriver will fly" ///

      There, super-long-range guns were planned - up to 150 km.
      What is the answer for 150 km?

      "Why doesn’t anyone move to the three expensive ships to develop shock and anti-aircraft missiles?" ///

      Missiles in the United States are not designed for ships, but for universal vertical launch cells. And they come to any large ship of their fleet.
      And Zumvolt has 80 missiles.
      1. sd68
        sd68 21 January 2018 20: 15
        +1
        Coastal RCC, aviation.
        And 150 km is not necessarily on the shore.
        That's the subtlety - MK57 is more than MK41, but no one is in a hurry to use this advantage. The MK41 also provides air defense capabilities, and if the MK57 is used for heavy strike missiles or missile defense, then coastal work from the cannon of such a ship is useless, like an aircraft carrier.
        And especially two guns.
        Zamvolta has an overwhelming price, but there is no clear niche
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 January 2018 11: 48
          0
          The Americans, Burke attached to aircraft carriers, for their protection.
          And the cruisers of the Tinonderogs are decommissioned.
          And the sailors complained that there was no strike ship along the shore.
          We thought a lot of ships with new guns for 150 km.
          The series was cut. The price was huge. And an electric gun
          rejected (although it worked, but not as good as intended)
          Now the Zumvolts want to remake for new anti-ship missiles and use
          against enemy squadrons. For example, cruising around Taiwan
          and prevent Chinese destroyers from approaching the island. Quite a realistic task.
          1. sd68
            sd68 22 January 2018 15: 51
            +1
            I understand, but all this can calmly do a much more universal Burke.
            Solid rockets and cannons are very poorly combined, and to use new cells under the ESSM is generally wrecking.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 22 January 2018 18: 58
              +1
              If you don’t experiment, you won’t move forward.
              Remember the first military ships, armadillos, dreadnought, battleships ...
              Each of them was full of mistakes. All were more expensive than the usual ships of their time.
              But each propelled naval shipbuilding forward.
      2. sd68
        sd68 21 January 2018 20: 24
        0
        Potentially, the ship is quite good, but so far it is not clear that the work is going towards the realization of its possible advantages.
        IMHO, bringing the radar to the planned level, replacing the second gun with the MK41 module 32-64 cells in addition to the MK57 (it is absurd to use large MK57 cells for existing missiles, and even more so ECM), adapting Excalibur and Vulcano shells for a gun, developing new shells with a reasonable cost, turn Zamvolt into a powerful NK in the foreseeable future.
  7. san4es
    san4es 21 January 2018 18: 16
    +4
    the weapons system was sculpted from what was in a hurry.

    ... It was an attempt to draw potential rivals into another arms race negative
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 21 January 2018 18: 35
    +4
    7 billion green tugriks for it is not clear what! 7 BILLION, Karl !!! fool
    For the floating lab !!!! laughing
    Our local embezzlement kindergarten in comparison with the seasoned American wassat
    With this money it was possible to plan the same “burks” with greater benefit than these “steps into the future” request
    1. dumkopff
      dumkopff 22 January 2018 10: 31
      +1
      Anyway, before the B-2 stealth bomber program, he still coughs and coughs.
  9. omit
    omit 21 January 2018 19: 59
    +5
    You rolled a barrel on F-35, now they’ve quieted down a bit. And soon you’ll clatter your tongue. So it will be with Zumvolt.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 January 2018 20: 44
      +7
      Really Israel, as the faithful dog of Uncle Sam will acquire one of the irons what ?
      The fact that the F-35 is a 5th generation fighter, the USA themselves say, and their faithful friends wassat
      But the whole point of this statement is that it is assumed that these pepelats are the first to detect the enemy and the first to launch ultra-long missiles. ALL! Here is the entire fifth generation laughing
      In all other respects, "thirty-fifth" rubbish in comparison even with standard "fours" yes
      The question is whether the opposing countries have such electronic warfare equipment that can offset this advantage (more likely than real) of the fives that have been pulled over the ears. And judging by indirect signs (an example of this is the “stunning” participation of the F-22 in the conflict in Syria, consisting in all kinds of restrictions on use), the bloated “fifth” generation in America is more likely a fiction, for some reason everyone should believe and tremble.
      Personally, my opinion hi
    2. Aqela
      Aqela 21 January 2018 22: 51
      +2
      Is this maybe because Israel was going to buy them? request wassat
    3. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 22 January 2018 00: 12
      +4
      Again, both the Israeli flag and the lies (((. No one rolled a barrel on the F35. They simply indicated that versatility is good, but at what cost? And is a front bomber needed - as one of the F35 configurations for that kind of money ??? is it invulnerable ?? Barmaleyev to drive in the deserts and F15 for eyes with A10. Here F22 will be more expensive, but its tactics are understandable - it cuts out long-range air defense and provides air superiority for the operation of AWACS aircraft (of all types), front-line bombers, etc. .. True strength F22 is too small for such tasks, but it can solve them. And F35 is the 2nd they’re in the compartments, the rest is on the suspension, where is the stealth here? Suppression of air defense and gaining air is not very good again, the Chinese are already tearing, and Sushi modified with MiG31 is too tough for him, invisibility is very relative there. is, but others are doing real work .. Well, I’ll say it again - we don’t count other people's money without interest, more than F22 different and expensive! laughing
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 22 January 2018 03: 26
        +2
        Again like the Israeli flag, so a lie
        It was. It will be so!
        Our b-ear citizens are the most loyal advocates of Israeli politics.
        And about the F-35, so which one will refuse a freebie. First give, and then we’ll figure out why.
        If you give these for FREE to Ukraine, you will also hear something wrong - "Russian planes generally suck !!!"
    4. zyzx
      zyzx 25 January 2018 19: 55
      0
      Dooo, F-35s are slammed into slaves for babosiks, and they buy propeller airplanes from Brazil because it’s cheaper to bomb.
  10. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 21 January 2018 20: 59
    +4
    Quote: Rurikovich
    7 billion green tugriks for it is not clear what! 7 BILLION, Karl !!!

    Can I replace Karl?
    Three units together with R&D cost $ 22,5 billion ... So, Karl - in touch !!!
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 21 January 2018 21: 53
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Three units together with R&D cost $ 22,5 billion.

      One of the newest and at the same time very ambiguous aircraft carriers, George W. Bush, costs a little more than 6 lards of green American presidents wassat
      But there the air group can deliver to the enemy many times more metal and explosives at a greater distance than 150km (firing range of 6 "iron cannons.
      So instead of three floating laboratories, you can build either 3 nuclear aircraft carriers, or based on the latest cost estimates and take the price for one copy in the region of $ 2 billion ten destroyers of the Orly Burke type !!! Moreover, against 240 (3x80) missile cells, we would get conditionally 960 (10x96) ....
      Oil Painting request
      The moral is a “super-destroyer” at a fabulous price with interrogative utility ..... 5th generation fighters, which are worse than the 4th according to their characteristics ... And that's all for the last 10 years what Maybe not everything is so rosy in the white and fluffy exclusively democratic "Danish" kingdom winked smile
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 21 January 2018 22: 13
        +3
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Maybe not everything is so rosy in the white and fluffy exclusively democratic "Danish" kingdom

        It is obvious. Everyone makes money as best they can ... But they are still looking for something, experimenting, hoping for a breakthrough .... They have loot, so they can afford to "fantasize, experiment" ... the rich have their own quirks.
      2. Aqela
        Aqela 21 January 2018 22: 36
        +6
        The obstinacy of the contingent regarding railguns amuses me. There are generally a lot of problems, not even purely technical ones. For example, no one is even puzzled by the fact that a range of more than 100 km when fired by steel bars is an absolutely useless undertaking, because not just a direct hit on the target is required, but a guaranteed defeat of the vulnerable point, even a 10-meter KVO will not suit anyone, no more than 1 meter is required. I think that such a thing before the era of wars in space is generally hopeless. In my opinion, all kinds of railguns, that laser guns run into the problem of energy sources, the capacitance of which, as well as the charge-discharge rate, need to be increased at least once a hundred, and better - from 1000 times ... This you don’t have to go from the airplane of the Wright brothers, even from I-16 to Tu-160 tongue
        I think that the same development of hypersonic cruise missiles is a more meaningful activity what
      3. sd68
        sd68 22 January 2018 00: 32
        0
        here the cells are different, potentially under larger missiles.
    2. sd68
      sd68 21 January 2018 21: 54
      +2
      This is due to the price of R&D.
      Potentially, the ship is more promising, let's see how they will bring it to mind further.
      1. Aqela
        Aqela 21 January 2018 22: 25
        +2
        Given that this is already the 2nd ship of the series, and all one is raw ... It reminds me of the saga with the F-35, when even on the basis of the stolen full documentation on the Yak-141 project they didn’t do anything good for thirty years ... Similarly and the clumsy F-117 iron, bogged down on the basis of Soviet developments ... Stolen - not good, as you can see ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 22 January 2018 00: 47
          +1
          Documents on the Yak were officially purchased for $ 1 million.
          But few of them are implemented on the F-35. On Yak for vertical there are already 2 separate jet engines. Not economical. On the F-35 there is only one common engine with a fan drive for the vertical.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 22 January 2018 01: 02
            +3
            Quote: Aqela
            stolen full documentation for the Yak-141 project

            Quote: voyaka uh
            Documents on the Yak were officially purchased for $ 1 million

            You yourself are not funny?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 22 January 2018 12: 01
              +1
              "when can you" come to an agreement "with the Russians, with the design bureau named after AS Yakovlev?
              So they did. As a result, part of the design documentation of the Yak-141 fell into the hands of Lockheed specialists. "///

              “Agreed” for $ 1 million. This allowed KV Yakovlev to survive when they remained in the 90s completely without government orders. After all, the Yak-141 project was closed.
              The Americans took the design of a 90-degree rotary nozzle from Yak. And instead of two extra. engines for verticals put a fan with a drive.
              1. sd68
                sd68 22 January 2018 15: 52
                0
                can you tell from what source did you hear about this?
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 22 January 2018 17: 24
                  0
                  with youtube for example
          2. sd68
            sd68 22 January 2018 02: 42
            0
            you could not lead this widespread bike ...
            In addition to the fact that the Yak141 and F-35 have nothing in common, there are two different aircraft, the evidence that the drawings were sold was zero, the Yakovlevites never claimed this, like the Americans, the Americans deny this.
            not to mention that the sale of drawings is not the sale of a production license,
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 22 January 2018 12: 09
              +3
              The official application of the company Lockheed:
              https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201706141024
              -sf9j.htm
              In a note published in 2014 in the official corporate magazine of Code One, authored by engineer Kevin Renshaw, who participated in the project, it says:

              “Plant them. A. S. Yakovleva was looking for money to save the Yak-141 program. Lockheed provided the plant with a small amount of funds in exchange for flight performance and limited fighter design data. ”

              Sale of drawings was. Selling - not theft. Million - not confirmed. What exactly is taken is unclear.
              But most likely - the design of a 90 degree swivel nozzle.
              1. Dalailama
                Dalailama 22 January 2018 13: 42
                0
                Everything is taken and therefore common except for the fan.
              2. sd68
                sd68 22 January 2018 16: 06
                0
                never watch a tvstar.
                the network contains the full article, there is not a word about the sale of drawings, especially about the price, this is not in the quote you cited.
                on the other hand, the article specifically on the nozzle is a continuation of the General Dynamics designs, which were bought by Lockheed Martin, and the F-35 nozzle was already developed before contact with Yakovlev Design Bureau.
                here is this article you are writing about
                http://www.codeonemagazine.com/article.html?item_
                id = 137
                F-35B Lightning II Three-Bearing Swivel Nozzle ...
                Russian Swivel Nozzle Designs

                A great deal of misinformation has appeared on the Internet regarding the relationship of the Soviet Yak-41 (later Yak-141), NATO reporting name Freestyle, to the X-35 and the rest of the JSF program. The Pratt & Whitney 3BSD nozzle design predates the Russian work. In fact the 3BSD was tested with a real engine almost twenty years before the first flight of the Yak .......
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 22 January 2018 17: 28
                  0
                  it also says that they all the same went to Yakovlev Design Bureau, and it was not written how successfully they had their own “tested” before that.
                  so "successful" that later in the XFV-12 there was no such nozzle.
                  The Rockwell XFV-12: The jump jet that couldn't jump, and still tried to do without it.
                  1. sd68
                    sd68 22 January 2018 18: 13
                    0
                    it clearly and unequivocally says that the nozzle was developed before the trip
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 22 January 2018 18: 31
                      0
                      yeah, and "tested" so that the Conver model 200 remained drawn, and the XFV-12 was then without this "tested nozzle", and then they drove to Yakovlev and they immediately got an F-35 with this.
              3. omit
                omit 24 January 2018 09: 06
                0
                http://www.bbc.com/russian/features-37025208
                In response to a request from the Russian BBC service to comment on the purchase of drawings from Yakovlev Design Bureau, Lockheed Martin stated that this topic was so often discussed on the Internet that a code note was even published in Code One's corporate magazine in 2014 about what really happened.


                It states that the rotary nozzle was developed and tested in the mid-1960s on a Pratt & Whitney JT8D engine, and was then planned for use in a Convair supersonic "vertical" fighter in the early 1970s. Thus, although the Yak-141 deserves the honor of being the first aircraft on which such a nozzle was used, it was invented two decades earlier in the United States.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 January 2018 00: 42
        0
        The Americans will have 3 modern missile cruisers with the flexible possibility of different upgrades for the future. Dear ones, of course. But it’s already passed ...
        1. spech
          spech 22 January 2018 08: 20
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Americans will have 3 modern missile cruisers with flexible capability different upgrades for the future. Dear ones, of course. But it’s already passed ...

          A new blade will be inserted into the hacksaw, pending further cuts.
        2. SASHA OLD
          SASHA OLD 26 January 2018 21: 35
          0
          one of the cruiser’s most important qualities is seaworthiness, autonomy (and hence reliability). Zamvolt is just very weak in this, therefore, as a cruiser, it will not be an allo
          like a floating barracks unless, with blackjack and profursetki)
  11. Aqela
    Aqela 21 January 2018 22: 22
    +1
    However, if the railgun corresponded to the technical requirements of the military, it would have been issued on the mountain, its use on the Zumvolta would be extremely problematic due to the insufficient power of the ship's power plant. In order to fire, it would be necessary to de-energize all the other systems of the ship at that time, in effect making it blind and deaf.

    This may seem self-confident, but I just wrote about this problem in discussing the prospects of railguns for marine vessels. I recall that at that time the saying was quoted that for one shot less energy is needed than is contained in one cup of fuel ... Another confirmation of the truth of the proverb “was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines, and walk along them” lol
  12. Aqela
    Aqela 21 January 2018 22: 41
    +2
    The destroyer can only compete with 155 mm artillery systems - powerful but not fast enough (10 rounds per minute).

    laughing Yes, compared to the 16-inch Missouri project battleships, the power is simply stunning! laughing good
  13. Lexus
    Lexus 22 January 2018 02: 09
    0
    Another work "in the piggy bank".
    As a "technology demonstrator" and a platform for testing experimental systems, the Zumvolts are quite suitable. Based on the experience of developing the B-2 Spirit bomber in the B-21 Raider, it can be assumed that the next project will be significantly cheaper. Then it will not be funny.
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 26 January 2018 21: 37
      0
      rather, as a "demonstrator of breakdowns" and "a platform for understanding the lack of prospects," Zumvolt will definitely fit
  14. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 22 January 2018 14: 02
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Sale of drawings was. Selling - not theft. Million - not confirmed. What exactly is taken is unclear.

    If you rummaged even deeper at Lockheed Martin, you would have found information that the engineers of Yakovlev Design Bureau were involved in the F-35.
    1. sd68
      sd68 22 January 2018 17: 20
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      there is a link to the article on top.
      rummage, find if you have something to look for, and bring everyone ....
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 22 January 2018 17: 37
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        read above about this article? Now go through all the "old branches" and fix it there.
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          1. Dalailama
            Dalailama 22 January 2018 18: 27
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            old eyelids are:
            https://topwar.ru/132841-titany-i-titaniki-atomno
            go-flota.html
            https://topwar.ru/132057-palubnyy-samolet-vertika
            lnogo-vzleta-plany-minoborony-i-opyt-promyshlenno
            sti.html
            https://topwar.ru/132679-chernomorskiy-sudostroit
            elnyy-zavod-avianoscy-i-shpionazh.html
            https://topwar.ru/132432-podgotovka-k-shvatke-s-f
            -35b-ifa-18e-apgreyd-peredovogo-sobrata-yak-141
            -i-problemy-uzkoprofilnosti-su-33.html

            and under all your nose they poked, but got out with their sectarian delirium about the Convair 200 which was not there and about its nozzle, for the fifth time in a new way.
            1. sd68
              sd68 22 January 2018 18: 44
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              it makes no sense to feed the troll.
              do you agree with me?
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                1. sd68
                  sd68 22 January 2018 19: 06
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                  I’m not going to feed you either.
                  Therefore, be hungry
                  1. Dalailama
                    Dalailama 22 January 2018 19: 22
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                    Quote: sd68
                    oh, dalaylama got out, the cabbage soup will begin to litter the branch as usual

                    Already out of date? Or did you just get sick because it was time to mourn in a Prague boutique by the wall of Vlasov’s acquaintances who had no time to talk about?
                    https://topwar.ru/133097-emu-bylo-suzhdeno-postav
                    it-tochku-v-voyne.html # comment-id-7736315
  15. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 28 January 2018 21: 46
    +1
    Toothless Thunderstorm of the Seas

    "Zumvolt" has twenty VPU for cruise missiles "Tomahawk", of which there are 80 units in the ammunition. Was it worth it to start fuss?

    80 "axes" is not enough? Show the air defense, which can brush off the massive launch of so many missiles?
    In addition, the promising LRASM anti-ship missile seems to be launched from the same UVP Mk.57 Zamvolta as the Tomahawks