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Cars "Cortege" will be available for sale next year.

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Cars of the project "Cortege" will be available for sale in 2019, transmits RIA News.


Cars "Cortege" will be available for sale next year.


In addition, this year Mipromtorg is counting on supplying the Federal Guard Service with up to 70 vehicles for top officials of the state.

Given the output of the SUV, we have to complete the development and testing by the end of this year and next year we have to start production and serial deliveries,
said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov at the Gaidar Forum.

Starting next year, anyone can purchase any modification of the car, including luxury cars and armored, there will be no restrictions on the sale,
added on.



The minimum retail price of the car will be 6-7 million rubles.

"The project" Cortege "involves the creation of a family of cars - a limousine, sedan and minivan - on a single modular platform for the first persons of the state. The responsible project executor is the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Central Research Automotive and Automotive Institute“ NAMI. ”The production partner is Sollers Vadim Shvetsova,” the publication says.

State investment in the project is 12,4 billion rubles.
Photos used:
RIA Novosti / Sergey Subbotin, auto62rus.ru
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  1. Secretparadox
    Secretparadox 17 January 2018 15: 42
    17
    And what about the photo from the salon? They would show a photo outside, this car is just a cheap copy of a Rolls-Royce and I don’t see what we can be proud of here, we can’t do our own.
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 17 January 2018 15: 46
      +3
      The topic is of course necessary, but prices are as prohibitive as usual
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 17 January 2018 15: 47
        28
        Put everyone on a grant, and the best on the news))) Previously, on the Volga and ZIL (quite exceptional) went and nothing - they coped with the work. Now society is waiting and demanding from the government honesty, modesty in itself and moderation ....
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 17 January 2018 15: 49
          45
          Quote: SecretParadox
          we cannot do our own.

          You definitely can’t, And in this case everything has been done here, in Russia. And the engine, and the box, and the design as a whole, everything is Russian.
          And the price is real. If this car is exempt from tax, then I will buy an SUV. For the horse and the price tax will not be small. Free and there will be an incentive to buy.
          And tryndet that everything is stolen and that this rubbish will now be racing. wink
          1. Logall
            Logall 17 January 2018 15: 51
            14
            So I’m thinking of buying such a car ... But I’m just thinking, but I’ll buy an apartment!
            1. insular
              insular 18 January 2018 01: 11
              +3
              Quote: Logall
              So I’m thinking of buying such a car ... But I’m just thinking, but I’ll buy an apartment!

              If you liked this car, then be sure to look for an apartment or house in the same style:

              Otherwise, the cygans will not understand ...
          2. Dimontius
            Dimontius 17 January 2018 15: 56
            +6
            that's something I can’t believe at all about everything Russian. One hundred pounds by the designer method from German parts.
          3. Vik66
            Vik66 17 January 2018 15: 57
            10
            As for everything done in Russia - I doubt it very much. Skipped information about the V-8 Porsche, and the automatic transmission is also from there.
            1. 16112014nk
              16112014nk 17 January 2018 17: 13
              13
              Quote: Vik66
              Skipped information about the V-8 Porsche,

              V-8 development joint.
              V-12 - development by US. At the Moscow Motor Show in 2016 showed.
              The 9-speed gearbox is also ours.
            2. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 17 January 2018 17: 14
              +7
              Quote: Vik66
              As for everything done in Russia - I doubt it very much.

              And also microchips in electronic blocks from Southeast Asia. That's it, now the car is not Russian, right? wink
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 17 January 2018 22: 52
                0
                Quote: Perun's grandson
                And also microchips in electronic blocks from Southeast Asia. That's it, now the car is not Russian, right?

                And the carrier is equipped with an iPhone in your pocket.
          4. Curious
            Curious 17 January 2018 16: 03
            +1
            And the American company Harman Connected Services (parent Harman is known for the Harman / Kordon and Bang & Olufsen audio systems) develops software for multimedia systems, and the Swiss Daniel Herz, which owns the Mark Levinson brand, is engaged in acoustics. What if they "saw" some kind of enemy, secret influence there?
            1. marline
              marline 17 January 2018 16: 41
              +7
              Dear Victor, do not worry - for the government, the FSO and the FSB, all radio-technical equipment must undergo a special test and receive an appropriate sticker.
              1. Curious
                Curious 17 January 2018 18: 08
                +3
                Oh, I don’t know, these Angles with the Saxons are so insidious. And the surname Levinson does not cause any confidence.
          5. NEOZ
            NEOZ 17 January 2018 16: 28
            +1
            Sorry, where did you get the information about the engine and gearbox?
            I think that it is not economically feasible to carry out R&D and launch into a series of internal combustion engines with automatic transmission for a car that will be produced in a limited edition .....
            1. gfs84
              gfs84 17 January 2018 18: 39
              +1
              Sorry, where did you get the information about the engine and gearbox?
              I think that it is not economically feasible to carry out R&D and launch into a series of internal combustion engines with automatic transmission for a car that will be produced in a limited edition .....


              https://autoreview.ru/articles/v-zerkale-zadnego-
              vida / gorshki_i_bogi
            2. midivan
              midivan 17 January 2018 21: 16
              +2
              Quote: NEOZ
              I think that it is not economically feasible to carry out R&D and launch into a series of internal combustion engines with automatic transmission for a car that will be produced in a limited edition .....

              Why limited?
              [/ quote] working volume - 6,6 liters, direct injection, variable valve timing system, four turbochargers with a pressure of 2,3 bar, maximum power - 830 hp (at 5500 rpm), and the maximum torque is 1320 Nm in the range from 2200 to 4500 rpm. [quote]
              This dvigun on KAMAZ put Mona yes and even on a small train laughing .No her, I won’t take it, there you’ll go broke if you put the iridium ones crying
          6. BVS
            BVS 17 January 2018 16: 29
            +1
            Do you believe that the small-scale (at best) release of these cars can be self-sustaining at an announced price?
          7. zemnoyd
            zemnoyd 17 January 2018 16: 31
            +5
            V8 Porsche
            V12 and L4 our developments
          8. Tsoy
            Tsoy 17 January 2018 17: 25
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir16
            And in this case, everything is done here in Russia. And the engine, and the box, and the design as a whole, everything is Russian.


            V8 is the most popular in the lineup made with the participation of Porshe. But the rest seems to be domestic. I wonder how much the whole project cost. And it would not be cheaper to organize joint development.
            1. Curious
              Curious 17 January 2018 18: 06
              0
              "I wonder how much the whole project was worth."
              In "Kommersant" there is a figure that is allocated from the budget. 12,4 billion rubles
          9. sir_obs
            sir_obs 17 January 2018 19: 56
            +1
            Especially try those with hands growing from birth from the ass. They themselves can’t do anything but grind with their tongue. Stamps or something, they were going to stick, all the good.
          10. Korax71
            Korax71 17 January 2018 20: 15
            0
            Engines-unification of the cylinder-piston group with Porsche engines 4.4. The rest of the engines are jointly developed with the Germans from the same Porsche. The braking system is Swedes, Haldex company. Lighting fixtures are French, Valeo company, Harman-ia audio system. Until now put them there will be Porshevsky eights with two turbines, respectively, and the control units (ECM) will also have them. Internal plastic-Samara, suspension parts-track, and a complete set. There will be 120 companies involved. They will paint the bodies like on LiAZ.9 range Kaliningrad automatic transmission is bungled, doubts creep in, because the experience in the production of automatic transmission is pretty much complete. Most likely, either with the help of brothers from behind a hill, or a modified copy will be, as an option of a jaguar. I would not be in a hurry with patriotic statements that everything is Russian.
          11. Alf
            Alf 17 January 2018 20: 59
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir16
            And in this case, everything is done here in Russia. And the engine, and the box, and the design as a whole, everything is Russian.

            Please provide the engine model. Or is he Russian like Iveco?
          12. antivirus
            antivirus 17 January 2018 22: 41
            0
            1 if done - the effect will be commensurate with "they have a wow what a terrible aircraft carrier"

            2 AND WILL NOT CRICK-- EQUAL F35

            3 and will not break after 10 t km = Mercedes

            4 and will be authorized or in other services you can repair then = arabian horse


            money pumped into your pocket on business!
          13. Stoler
            Stoler 18 January 2018 22: 42
            0
            Well, but Rossl-Royce, he completely coincidentally similar laughing
        2. Sauron80
          Sauron80 17 January 2018 15: 51
          +5
          Here also, classics and a gazelle on a field - did not deserve more.
        3. Chertt
          Chertt 17 January 2018 16: 00
          +7
          Quote: maxim947
          We went and did nothing - they coped with the work.

          So allowed the same, the USSR. break up. Means failed
        4. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 17 January 2018 16: 40
          +6
          Quote: maxim947
          Put everyone on a grant, and the best on the news))

          Kalina-sedan, this is the maximum that they have gained.
      2. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 17 January 2018 15: 48
        +8
        Quote: Chertt
        The topic is of course necessary,
        - Come on there: "prices"! Most important: OUR model! And not some Mercedes! It’s high time to release our representative models. If only the quality did not disappoint!
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 17 January 2018 16: 02
          +6
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          - Come on there: "prices"!

          This hour komenty showered, It would be better if they built a kindergarten
          1. AUL
            AUL 17 January 2018 18: 39
            +2
            12 rubles were invested in the project. How many cars will be released? Well, let 400. Okay, 000!
            Share.
            12400000000/500=24 800 000
            It is supposed to sell for 6 - 7 lyam.
            By the way, I doubt that there will be a demand for 500 cars. Those who have such grandmothers will take a Porsche, Bentley or Maybach. On our machines, it’s bad.
            1. private person
              private person 17 January 2018 19: 07
              +1
              All governors and heads. various transplanted to the "motorcade" officially to wash the loot.
            2. Alf
              Alf 17 January 2018 21: 01
              +3
              Quote: AUL
              Those who have such grandmothers will take a Porsche, Bentley or Maybach. On our machines, it’s bad.

              Well I do not know. Now, among our steepness, a fashion for the GAZ-21 and the Tiger has appeared.
              But the fact that they will go on free sale is, in my opinion, very bad. It cannot, should not, it does not have the right to drive any rich riffraff on a presidential car.
              It turns out that either the steepness rose to the level of the president, or the president fell to the level of wealthy bandits.
              1. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 17 January 2018 23: 54
                0
                Do not worry! The presidential will still be longer, more powerful, booked
                1. Alf
                  Alf 18 January 2018 20: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Vlad.by
                  Do not worry! The presidential will still be longer, more powerful, booked

                  I wonder how this car was booked?

                  wok driving a journalist next he poisons speech without a piece of paper outside the windows nature flickers speed one hundred camera in front and side of the hand on the steering wheel but she never moved for three minutes of shooting PRIME PRESENT
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 January 2018 21: 33
              +1
              And what do you want - the development and organization of production of a premium car, not a cheap pleasure.
            4. MMX
              MMX 18 January 2018 06: 59
              +2
              Quote: AUL
              12 rubles were invested in the project. How many cars will be released? Well, let 400. Okay, 000!
              Share.
              12400000000/500=24 800 000
              It is supposed to sell for 6 - 7 lyam.
              By the way, I doubt that there will be a demand for 500 cars. Those who have such grandmothers will take a Porsche, Bentley or Maybach. On our machines, it’s bad.


              And you, as I understand it, you decided to “recapture" all the costs for the year?
              Good business plan))) Good entrepreneur ...
        2. Sauron80
          Sauron80 17 January 2018 16: 11
          0
          It is interesting to see what is “ours” there? Engine? Box? Transmission? The usual screwdriver assembly, akin to Lade Largus - but a reason to scream loudly - NAAAAAAHE !!!!!
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 17 January 2018 17: 21
            12
            Lada Largus has a percentage of localization of 62, Renault Logan has 76 in general. So about the "screwdriver assembly" tell tales of "Echo of Moscow" wink
            1. Fox
              Fox 17 January 2018 18: 05
              +1
              Quote: Perun's grandson
              Lada Largus has a percentage of localization of 62, Renault Logan has 76 in general. So about the "screwdriver assembly" tell tales of "Echo of Moscow"

              where did the firewood come from? They gutted Logan, there’s even a Shumka with a label: it was made in Romania ... and the bodies, yes, we are riveted.
              1. grandson of Perun
                grandson of Perun 17 January 2018 18: 35
                +5
                Firewood is still for 2013, for more recent annual reports are paid: https://www.autostat.ru/news/14395/
                By the way, the percentage of localization depends on the year of manufacture: the newer the car, the higher the percentage of localization.
          2. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 17 January 2018 21: 35
            0
            Quote: Sauron80
            It is interesting to see what is “ours” there? Engine? Box? Transmission? The usual screwdriver assembly, akin to Lade Largus - but a reason to scream loudly - NAAAAAAHE !!!!!

            You would first read the comments above, there were links with answers to all your questions. But the trouble is that you are not a reader, but only a "writer". lol
          3. den3080
            den3080 18 January 2018 00: 04
            0
            I believe that "ours" there will be foam rubber in the seats, if foam rubber is made in Russia at all.
            I believe in our tank, in our fighter, in our warship.
            in a limited edition series member - I believe even more than in the first three. Once the GDP has been decided, there will be a member ship.
            but I do not BELIEVE in any somewhat successful commercial (market) prospect of the last of the mentioned products.
            All of the current Russian passenger car industry is guaranteed to do so. Why would the articulate “line” suddenly become successful? - not a single chance.
            Look at Korea, and now you can look at China ... - serious automobile powers have become so-and-so. Only 25-30 years of development, namely targeted development, and not endless pumping of state. dough in a bottomless break called AvtoVAZ ...
            UAZ products for the public - I bought a box with wheels and then continue to do-it-yourself. And after all ... directors, designers, constructors, marketing ... but it turns out the same loaf, which the happy owner MOST have to work on wisely from six months after the purchase, and then drive seriously.
            eeehma
            1. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 18 January 2018 10: 49
              +1
              Quote: den3080
              infinite pumping state. dough in a bottomless break called AvtoVAZ ...

              Amounts and dates of "pumping" in numbers is possible?
              And then these tales lovers oahayut our industry is constantly poisoning, but the concrete facts "for some reason" do not lead wink
              Quote: den3080
              UAZ products for the public - I bought a box with wheels and then continue to do-it-yourself.

              What is the hidden meaning of these moans? You have no choice and UAZ someone is forcing you? Or do you think that the director of UAZ will read your comment, be ashamed, and will run to the bank for a loan for a new technological line for mechanical processing?
      3. Sauron80
        Sauron80 17 January 2018 15: 51
        +2
        So the budget must be mastered somehow, but here you can always say to those who shout "expensive" - ​​it’s its own, its own, it’s not a pity for it.
        1. vlad_vlad
          vlad_vlad 17 January 2018 17: 28
          0
          if only a private investor, but at your own risk and risk invested money and did - then respect. For the state budget - cut.

          An excellent topic for the upcoming elections and the president’s program: how to spend people's budget money - on a car with show-offs “like ours” or on medicine?
          12,4 billion rubles - is that a lot? interesting to have enough of this amount - have any ideas?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 17 January 2018 17: 30
            +1
            Quote: vlad_vlad
            12,4 billion rubles - is that a lot? interesting to have enough of this amount - have any ideas?

            This is the annual city budget, e.g. Irkutsk
            1. vlad_vlad
              vlad_vlad 17 January 2018 17: 45
              +4
              Quote: Stroporez

              This is the annual city budget, e.g. Irkutsk


              to get it.
              but the residents of Irkutsk now have something to be proud of. Well, in the elections to express their satisfaction.
            2. woron333444
              woron333444 17 January 2018 18: 29
              +1
              Irkutsk annual budget for 100bn
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 17 January 2018 18: 32
                +3
                Quote: woron333444
                Irkutsk annual budget for 100bn

                it is regional! I gave, as an example, you can take the city budgets of many cities of the Central Federal District. hi
                1. woron333444
                  woron333444 17 January 2018 18: 44
                  +1
                  We have a city of 140 thousand annual budget of 20 billion
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 17 January 2018 18: 52
                    +1
                    And here is my 470 thousand people.
                    Index
                    Rub.
                    Profits
                    11 billion 815,5 million
                    Costs
                    12 billion 541,2 million
                    Budget deficit (losses for 2017)
                    725 млн
                    And here is the Eagle
                    1. To approve the main characteristics of the budget of the city of Orel for 2017:

                    1) the total amount of budget revenues of the city of Orel in the amount of 5317513,7 thousand rubles;

                    2) the total budget expenditures of the city of Orel in the amount of 6172573,1 thousand rubles;

                    3) the limit of municipal debt for 2017 in the amount of 2625099,0 thousand rubles, the upper limit of municipal debt as of January 1, 2018 in the amount of 2225500,6 thousand rubles, including the upper limit of debt under municipal guarantees - 0 thousand rubles ;

                    4) the projected budget deficit of the city of Orel in the amount of 855059,4 thousand rubles, or 32,6 percent of the total income excluding gratuitous receipts;
        2. gukoyan
          gukoyan 18 January 2018 15: 41
          0
          "who shouts" dearly "- it’s not his own pity on his own."
          I don’t know that it’s a pity to give such money, all the more raw it will be.
      4. Azazelo
        Azazelo 17 January 2018 15: 54
        11
        To some, the soup is liquid, and to others, the pearls are shallow
      5. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 17 January 2018 16: 00
        +9
        Quote: Chertt
        The topic is of course necessary, but prices are as prohibitive as usual


        Auto is not for everyone. Is it strange if Bentley had prices like Lada Kalina?
      6. 210ox
        210ox 17 January 2018 16: 12
        +1
        Why not recreate the Russo-Balt brand?
        Quote: Chertt
        The topic is of course necessary, but prices are as prohibitive as usual
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 17 January 2018 16: 17
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          Why not recreate the Russo-Balt brand?

          Such ideas come from the 90s. But while zero execution
        2. Alf
          Alf 17 January 2018 21: 07
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Why not recreate the Russo-Balt brand?
          Quote: Chertt
          The topic is of course necessary, but prices are as prohibitive as usual

          It is impossible. Balts on ships dragged for the use of the word Balt in the name.
          And they’ll shout everywhere that the Russians cannot do anything without them. And if we recall how HOW Russia protects its intellectual property (or rather, does not), then it becomes gloomy in general.
      7. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 17 January 2018 17: 07
        0
        So this is not Lada!
      8. Wayfarer
        Wayfarer 17 January 2018 17: 14
        +1
        What will be the name of the production cars? But nothing like cars, I think Grudinin will like it.
      9. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 17 January 2018 17: 44
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        The topic is of course necessary, but prices are as prohibitive as usual

        Prices, by the way, are not high for such a model. This is not an imported consumer goods with a programmed resource of 5-7-10 years.
        Do not forget that the model was developed virtually from scratch, the resource and reliability embedded in it cost money, and will be produced in small batches. The concept of profitability has not yet been canceled.
        But I will reassure you: the price could fall by a million and a half, if these machines begin to be sold at several thousand a year.
        1. midivan
          midivan 17 January 2018 21: 53
          +3
          Quote: Perun's grandson
          This is not an imported consumer goods with a programmed resource of 5-7-10 years.

          What the hell ???? Or do you mean if they will be in the garage? 150 thousand km, engine kirdyk, and from 70 thousand on almost any foreign car it’s time to get a tambourine or spit on your fingers. yes
          1. grandson of Perun
            grandson of Perun 18 January 2018 10: 13
            0
            Well, only budget cars have such a low resource. Dear models, however, their programmed 7-10 years usually walk honestly.
      10. faiver
        faiver 17 January 2018 21: 22
        0
        about exorbitant prices - our governors and other senior officials drive cars and more expensive, moreover, we must bear in mind that some also have spare cars
        I would, for example, introduce restrictions - to prohibit the purchase of official cars for cars more expensive than 1mn. rubles ..., except for the first persons of the federal level ...
        1. Alf
          Alf 18 January 2018 20: 39
          0
          Quote: faiver
          I would, for example, impose restrictions - to prohibit the purchase of official cars for government officials for cars worth more than 1 million. rubles ...

          Already been. Forbidden. So the bureaucrats began to use the same foreign cars RENT. The result is the same, but the loss-rental treasury is more expensive than the acquisition.
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    3. Serhiodjan
      Serhiodjan 17 January 2018 16: 41
      +2
      If you did what kind of spacecraft, you would still say that we stole it from American science fiction films, right?) So for now we’ll confine ourselves to a cool car, and when we do the spacecraft, we can whitewash with pleasure!
    4. san4es
      san4es 17 January 2018 18: 07
      +5
      Quote: SecretParadox
      And what about the photo from the salon? Would show a photo outside, it's a car

    5. Elena Zakharova
      Elena Zakharova 17 January 2018 18: 34
      +2
      Quote: SecretParadox
      what we can be proud of, we can’t do our own.

      In my opinion, it’s a shame when the country's top leadership drives other people's cars.
      This photo is suitable for you to cool?
      1. Secretparadox
        Secretparadox 17 January 2018 21: 29
        0
        Quote: Elena Zakharova
        Quote: SecretParadox
        what we can be proud of, we can’t do our own.

        In my opinion, it’s a shame when the country's top leadership drives other people's cars.
        This photo is suitable for you to cool?


        Don't you notice the irony at all? Naturally, I saw the photo and it is with this that my indignation is connected. The machine is a one hundred percent Rolls-Royce, and it appears to the ruling circles as ours, "domestic." I wonder how much in the development of cars allocated to the design? Those who say they say “you haven’t seen it from the inside, but already judge” - I am judging by the information available, and so far only the design is known and it can be said from it that the car is a banal election move and it looks pathetic. Apparently, the author of the article understands this very well and for this purpose he put a photo of the salon so that the cotton wool, which cannot just drive into Google "tuple, pictures", was glad.
        1. Elena Zakharova
          Elena Zakharova 17 January 2018 22: 34
          +1
          Quote: SecretParadox
          Machine - one hundred percent Rolls-Royce

          I make a simple conclusion that you do not understand cars at all, either in design or in nozzles.
    6. Piramidon
      Piramidon 17 January 2018 19: 21
      0
      Quote: SecretParadox
      And what about the photo from the salon? They would show a photo outside, this car is just a cheap copy of a Rolls-Royce and I don’t see what we can be proud of here, we can’t do our own.

      Did you "see the stuffing of this car, or did you just determine on the radiator grille in the photo that this is a complete copy of the Rolls-Royce? But don’t you be embarrassed that now all the cars look alike? Until you see the emblem, you will not identify the brand and who someone pulled something. I had to witness a traffic accident, they asked what brand of car I said, and hell knows, it looks like our Lada 2110, but I didn’t see any “medals” on the radiator
    7. BecmepH
      BecmepH 18 January 2018 05: 47
      +1
      Quote: SecretParadox
      And what about the photo from the salon? They would show a photo outside, this car is just a cheap copy of a Rolls-Royce and I don’t see what we can be proud of here, we can’t do our own.

      And if you remove all the emblems and inscriptions from a dozen cars, can you recognize them all?))) It is doubtful something. What is the manner of hauling all of ours? If necessary, we’ll do the best.
  2. Vard
    Vard 17 January 2018 15: 43
    +1
    Cars are different and Suzuki Jimny ... That's a rogue ... So a rogue ...
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 17 January 2018 15: 55
      +1
      Little UAZ.
  3. Azazelo
    Azazelo 17 January 2018 15: 53
    +4
    I would buy a TIGER better for such a loot)))
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 17 January 2018 16: 09
      +1
      I agree on the city the most buzz on it to ride)))
  4. Lexus
    Lexus 17 January 2018 15: 54
    +3
    said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov at the Gaidar Forum.

    Sick of these "Gaidar-Chubais" events.
    As far as I know, "Tuple" in Sweden experienced. And that there are no decent landfills in Russia?
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 January 2018 21: 11
      +2
      Quote: lexus
      And that in Russia there are no decent landfills?

      There is enough to drive 300 kilometers from Moscow. That's just as if the Cortege at these training grounds would not sit "head over heels."
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 17 January 2018 21: 20
        +2
        There is enough to drive 300 kilometers from Moscow.

        It’s enough just to leave Moscow ... All 17 million square meters. kilometers - the most difficult "training ground" for technology. One completely "road of survival."
        1. Alf
          Alf 17 January 2018 21: 24
          +2
          Quote: lexus
          There is enough to drive 300 kilometers from Moscow.

          It’s enough just to leave Moscow ... All 17 million square meters. kilometers - the most difficult "training ground" for technology. One completely "road of survival."

          Well, yes, about 300 km I turned down, it’s enough to move off the M-5. And test how much you can fit, just remember to keep the tank near.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 17 January 2018 21: 28
            +1
            And test how much you can fit, just remember to keep the tank near.

            You need to be closer to reality and people. I can imagine how much money was ditched for this "Swedish delivery".
  5. gukoyan
    gukoyan 17 January 2018 16: 01
    +1
    Another miscarriage of the Russian circuit ...
    Craft on the subject of domestic Rolls Flight / Bentley?
    It would be better to make normal roads than to invest money in the project of this UG ...
    1. Vard
      Vard 17 January 2018 16: 37
      +2
      By the way, Royce’s gas 3110 at the back was ..
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 17 January 2018 16: 52
        +2
        And also strewed like a typical English car)
    2. Alf
      Alf 17 January 2018 21: 12
      +1
      Quote: gukoyan
      Craft on the subject of domestic Rolls Flight / Bentley?

      Why
      Here is a photo of Volvo-164. Very different from Rolls?
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 18 January 2018 07: 14
        0
        There is something, but vaguely vaguely reminiscent.
        And this tuple is generally a copy ...
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 January 2018 21: 37
      0
      "It would be better if they made normal roads." Look for 12 trillion rubles, and even that is not enough to repair all the roads.
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 18 January 2018 09: 04
        0
        Why should I search?
        Let officials look, it should be their headache)
  6. gukoyan
    gukoyan 17 January 2018 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: Chertt
    The topic is of course necessary,
    - Come on there: "prices"! Most important: OUR model! And not some Mercedes! It’s high time to release our representative models. If only the quality did not disappoint!


    About Mercedes there quieter.
    And the quality of the Russian car trash is such that after 2.000 km the suspension starts to crumble, after 5.000 cheap plastic starts to squeak and creak.
    For such a price, you can really buy a Mercedes w222 from a dealership in a good configuration and feel like a successful person.
    1. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer 17 January 2018 17: 12
      +7
      [quote = gukoyan] [quote = oldseaman1957] [quote = Chertt
      ] The topic is of course necessary, [/ quote]
      And the quality of the Russian car trash is such that after 2.000 km the suspension starts to crumble, after 5.000 cheap plastic starts to squeak and creak.
      [/ Quote]
      You are just a very unhappy person.
      Apparently they sinned a lot ..
      I drove on the West with a robot of 23.
      no comments. )
    2. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 17 January 2018 17: 27
      +6
      Quote: gukoyan
      And the quality of the Russian car trash is such that after 2.000 km the suspension will begin to crumble

      Still not tired of retelling the nonsense of the time of the massive discredit of our industry for the sake of the capture of the market by foreigners?
      Straight all the roadsides are littered with details from the scattered suspensions of Russian cars ...
    3. Stabilization
      Stabilization 17 January 2018 17: 50
      +5
      the modern Russian auto industry runs for 3-5 years, without any complaints about the price / quality ratio of a new car. This is quite at the level (on a budget), all the priors, viburnum, Vesta, etc. fresh years, go for more than 300 thousand, just change the oil ...
      1. Korax71
        Korax71 17 January 2018 20: 43
        0
        Even in the best case, if you blow dust off it, feed it with everything you need, then the engine resource is good, if 100 thousand, a rare case of 200, the manual transmission resource is two times lower than the engine, whoever disassembled the box on our front-wheel drive will understand. pendants, hodovka and so on will not be taken into account. Yes, and now on average its resource is not more than 100 thousand. But just for example, the same engines on Renault Logan, 1. 4 and 1.6 8 valves boldly 200 and more nursing. Only they do not in Russia.
        1. Stabilization
          Stabilization 17 January 2018 22: 08
          0
          complete nonsense ... 400-500 thousand in a taxi grants go without any problems. Hub bearings, rubber bands, tosho on the little things. Kalina 2 and Priora 2 are no worse. Vesta is even worse than Logan or Rio.
          Do not confuse the 2108-10 and the new generation of modes.
        2. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 18 January 2018 10: 18
          +1
          Quote: Korax71
          Even in the best case, if you blow dust off it, feed it with everything you need, then the engine resource is good, if 100 thousand, a rare case-200, the manual transmission resource is two times lower than the engine ...

          Your stories about the meager resource are not confirmed by the experience of operating many car owners, with whom I personally know.
    4. woron333444
      woron333444 17 January 2018 18: 46
      +1
      Mercedes and BMW have long been not Germans, but Chinese. And the Germans complain about the quality of components
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 January 2018 21: 39
        0
        And original Germany sells spare parts for them.
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 18 January 2018 04: 30
          0
          Accessories China. In Germany, a screwdriver assembly.
          1. gukoyan
            gukoyan 18 January 2018 13: 33
            0
            I sinned a lot, I agree, but I didn’t go to Russian consumer goods, always only foreign cars were, are, and will be. At the moment, I own a Mercedes-Benz in 211 bodies, I ride happy as an elephant and enjoy life.
            I express my attitude to the Tazes purely from the stories of friends and pals who own or owned them. At one prior, I drove out from the passenger compartment, after 30 thousand km, a howling manual transmission and a timing belt broke - the engine's capital.
            A friend bought a Priora from the passenger compartment, after the first rain under a passenger rug in front of the puddle, and so after each wash and rain, plus constantly added antifreeze, for 2 years of ownership they could not find a solution to these problems, sold and bought Focus.
            A neighbor viburnum, says she’s a rattle, howls manual transmission plus an electrician makes the brain.
            He drove a comrade to a car dealership, he wanted to buy a Patriot, but changed his mind after opening the driver’s door, because it was already creaking, they couldn’t lubricate the loop in a car for 600.000 from the factory, he bought a used Pajero and did not steam.
            The taxi driver who recently drove on Logan, says that he had a grant, also started to do a brain, starting from buggy sensors, ending with water in the trunk, which FIG knows how it appeared ..., so Logan bought it.
            A friend went to buy an Iksrey at a car dealership, bought a Kia Rio, because gaps caught my eye, a bunch of wing / headlight / stand / threshold - the gaps walked from the fact that the sheet could not be pushed to the point that the finger fell through and it was in a new car for 800.000 rubles.
            Yes, I agree, I’m with friends, and even half of the country bought by the West to advertise foreign cars)))
            And I can continue, but I see no reason to write a lot about what is a fact.
            ... and so many bukaf wrote)
            Of the Russian cars, only the Gas-Tiger, KAMAZ, the Urals, and the four are good)
            The workmate Chevy Niva rides and does not cause trouble ...
            1. Alf
              Alf 18 January 2018 20: 41
              0
              Quote: gukoyan
              Of the Russian cars, only the Gas-Tiger, KAMAZ, the Urals, and the four are good)

              And the T-90. laughing
              1. gukoyan
                gukoyan 19 January 2018 10: 05
                0
                I agree T-72 / T-90 out of competition, but on the T-80 you can still drive with the breeze))
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 17 January 2018 16: 12
    +3
    I understand that the "Bentley" we have stolen design? lol One to one of our cars look like ours! what If the resource in the article is precisely a "tuple '"!
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 17 January 2018 16: 32
      +2
      Rather, a Rolls Royce.
      1. Vard
        Vard 17 January 2018 16: 38
        0
        Royce round headlights .. Beatty square ...
        1. ustinov.yuri
          ustinov.yuri 17 January 2018 17: 12
          +2
          In the photo - Rolls Royce
  8. trahterist
    trahterist 17 January 2018 16: 27
    +5
    Quote: gukoyan
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: Chertt
    The topic is of course necessary,
    - Come on there: "prices"! Most important: OUR model! And not some Mercedes! It’s high time to release our representative models. If only the quality did not disappoint!


    About Mercedes there quieter.
    And the quality of the Russian car trash is such that after 2.000 km the suspension starts to crumble, after 5.000 cheap plastic starts to squeak and creak.
    For such a price, you can really buy a Mercedes w222 from a dealership in a good configuration and feel like a successful person.

    From the term 'successful', honestly, it’s already reversing.
    Enough of the pro-Western nedemems to use ...
  9. Fight
    Fight 17 January 2018 16: 30
    0
    And what kind of a 12 billion car assembly line cannot be bought?! ... recourse
    1. Alf
      Alf 17 January 2018 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Fight
      And what kind of a 12 billion car assembly line cannot be bought?! ... recourse

      Have you heard the expression "Country Prestige"?
  10. User
    User 17 January 2018 16: 31
    0
    up to 70 cars for top government officials

    And how many of these same "first persons of the state"? Or any person just needs to pay "6-7 million rubles" and ride like a king among the mob.
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 January 2018 16: 34
    0
    Here the main service is good and that would go to the masses ...
    1. Vard
      Vard 17 January 2018 16: 39
      +1
      An anecdote ... Why do I need Royce ... I’ll dig a year and buy a bottle of vodka ...
  12. SEER
    SEER 17 January 2018 16: 37
    0
    Quote: Fight
    And what kind of a 12 billion car assembly line cannot be bought?! ... recourse

    on the assembly of which cars?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 January 2018 16: 47
      0
      Fiat 124 at one time bought for $ 1 billion with full localization.
      1. allaykbar
        allaykbar 17 January 2018 18: 32
        +1
        Opel is not even sold. money was not a problem but not sold
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 January 2018 16: 50
    +3
    The idea is that all the foreign “prem” that goes for state money should stop being purchased by the state .... and now you won’t.
  14. SEER
    SEER 17 January 2018 16: 50
    0
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Fiat 124 at one time bought for $ 1 billion with full localization.

    and what did the 124th have to the leaders of the automotive industry in the premium class and even with a reservation?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 January 2018 17: 46
      0
      translated into our time, Ford Focus. As for the cost - machines of the same brands ... and sales are different.
  15. SEER
    SEER 17 January 2018 16: 52
    +2
    Quote: gukoyan
    Another miscarriage of the Russian circuit ...
    Craft on the subject of domestic Rolls Flight / Bentley?
    It would be better to make normal roads than to invest money in the project of this UG ...

    "I did not read Solzhenitsyn, but I condemn ..."
    As I understand it, you have not seen / not touched the motorcade? - "neither ear nor snout ..."
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 January 2018 17: 49
      0
      Everything will show the quality of the sedan. For the first persons there will be manual assembly and at least order an English salon, at least German.
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 18 January 2018 15: 58
        0
        I don’t need to look at him to understand what the future drank, then again they will whine, like, there aren’t enough babos, give me more. And the output is something ...
        Snout? By themselves, people are not judged, I have a face if that.
        The domestic auto industry died with the USSR, although quality was not always there.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 January 2018 16: 55
          +1
          To begin with, there wasn’t any domestic ... it started with licenses and there wasn’t a single world-class model.
  16. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 17 January 2018 17: 02
    +6
    Quote: SecretParadox
    And what about the photo from the salon? Would show a photo outside

    Fas
      Profile
    Stern
    Overall, not bad. yes
    1. insular
      insular 18 January 2018 00: 48
      +1
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Overall, not bad.

      Chinese Xerox at the service of the sovereign? Half Chrysler Half Half ...




      This is our GAZ-21 ..

      That's so GAZ-24
      And then at least a sport coupe molding, at least muscle cars, at least mid-budget sedans, at least limousines.
      So no damn it! Xerox from China brought ... Ugh pigs ... Neither face nor history of the car industry.
  17. 1536
    1536 17 January 2018 17: 12
    0
    Quote: SecretParadox
    And what about the photo from the salon? They would show a photo outside, this car is just a cheap copy of a Rolls-Royce and I don’t see what we can be proud of here, we can’t do our own.

    Why play something?
  18. Bronevick
    Bronevick 17 January 2018 17: 44
    0
    For 6 Lyamov steering wheel from Mondeo, thanks, but we already ride on the Mercia.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 January 2018 17: 47
      +2
      Nobody forces you to buy you .... this is not an obligation.
      1. Bronevick
        Bronevick 17 January 2018 17: 49
        0
        I thought they would force import substitution.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 17 January 2018 17: 54
          +2
          If you are an official whose ass takes A6 / A8 or E or S class, then they will force me ... I’m not here!
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 17 January 2018 18: 09
    +1
    Normal investments are 12,4 billion rubles, state money. Something that ball-skier Fomenko and Co. were not able to invest a little dough. Someone was bustling around in government circles, it’s just that they won’t give such money for a cut. And it’s not yet clear what the money went for, there’s nothing to look at!
    The working prototype of the sedan of the project "Cortege" was photographed in Scandinavia



  20. made13
    made13 17 January 2018 18: 14
    0
    Nedorolls is a clone from the English hosts. They used to clone Americans, now the British.

    1. IQ12NHJ21az
      IQ12NHJ21az 17 January 2018 20: 54
      +1
      The external similarity is just a car fashion of those times, there was no copying, everything is native.
  21. san4es
    san4es 17 January 2018 18: 15
    +1
    “The Cortege project involves the creation of a family of cars - a limousine, sedan and minivan - on a single modular platform for top officials of the state.

    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 January 2018 18: 40
      +1
      This one will be an indicator of the quality of the entire platform. There should be a lot of them.
      1. san4es
        san4es 17 January 2018 19: 12
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        ... There should be a lot of them.



        ...etc. fellow
        10 design projects at the link:
        https://motor.ru/selector/russianlimos.htm?fb_act
        ion_ids = 476455699088005 & fb_action_types = og.li
        kes & fb_source = aggregation & fb_aggregation_
        id = 288381481237582
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 January 2018 16: 56
          +1
          The sedan will be the most massive ...
  22. Berkut154
    Berkut154 17 January 2018 18: 22
    +1
    Honestly, on the figure of 7 million rubles, the first thing that comes to mind is the Landkruiser 200 and Cadilac Escalade))))
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 17 January 2018 19: 22
      +1
      Not the most technologically advanced cars on the market ... But they are precisely the landmarks.
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 18 January 2018 13: 53
        0
        Mercedes-Benz W222.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 18 January 2018 16: 57
          +1
          We will never master the level of Mercedes ...
  23. MadCat
    MadCat 17 January 2018 18: 23
    +1
    As always, the flight of designers' imagination was limited to Chrysler's cross-dressing ...
    1. SEER
      SEER 17 January 2018 18: 35
      +2
      fool
      Quote: MadCat
      As always, the flight of designers' imagination was limited to Chrysler's cross-dressing ...
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 18 January 2018 02: 41
        0
        Quote: SEER
        fool
        Quote: MadCat
        As always, the flight of designers' imagination was limited to Chrysler's cross-dressing ...

        crying wassat fool hi
    2. woron333444
      woron333444 18 January 2018 15: 49
      +1
      gukoyan и MadCat You already decide Mercedes or Chrysler
      1. gukoyan
        gukoyan 18 January 2018 18: 37
        0
        About Mercedes, I mean that for 7 million the most relish)
      2. MadCat
        MadCat 20 January 2018 02: 12
        0
        Quote: woron333444
        gukoyan and MadCat you already decide Mercedes or Chrysler

        there is a vinaigrette, from Mercia, a muzzle from the Chrysler and the rear of the Rolls Royce. laughing
  24. IQ12NHJ21az
    IQ12NHJ21az 17 January 2018 20: 52
    +5
    In order to learn how to make a premium car - they must be done, ZILs were high-quality cars, and "Seagulls" - too. For nearly 30 years, we have not produced cars of this class with us. At the expense of money - it is necessary to invest in any production, develop technologies, train personnel, and only then will there be a return. All over the world, innovations in the automotive industry are driven in expensive cars (sometimes they start with airplanes) and only then they switch to mass cars (for example, automatic transmission, air conditioning).
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 18 January 2018 02: 44
      0
      Quote: IQ12NHJ21az
      At the expense of money - it is necessary to invest in any production, develop technologies, train personnel, and only then will there be a return.

      There will be no return, there will be a quadrillion of money cut for the sake of the prestige of officials and that's it. The premium market has been divided for a long time, and between the proven German and the new 99% pound, they do not choose fuin.
  25. solovald
    solovald 18 January 2018 04: 57
    +1
    "... The minimum retail price of the car will be 6-7 million rubles ..." - Inexpensive for such a car, just the cost of a good foreign car.
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 18 January 2018 07: 43
      +1
      They are guided by the top Mercedes minus 15%, I predict the line of orders and a fight on delivery! wassat
      The official noted that the minimum configuration of the sedan "Cortege" will cost 6-7 million rubles.
      True, it is a little incomprehensible how the department considered the price. The cost of the BMW 7 Series with a V12 engine, and this is the M760Li xDrive (610 hp), starts at 10 rubles. That is, if you subtract 090%, then the cost of the car from the Cortege project should be at least 000 million rubles. Mercedes-Benz S-class with a V15 engine (S8,5L) is even more expensive - it costs from 12 million rubles. About the luxurious version of the Mercedes-Maybach S-Class, perhaps you should not even stutter.
  26. FLOOD
    FLOOD 18 January 2018 08: 22
    0
    Unfortunately, the auto industry in Russia is always lame. Well, there were brands at the time, and we trudged along these cars right to the point of exhaustion. Now the situation is completely different, you need to attract young children to the cause, regardless of age, to encourage them. It’s time for Russia to create its own global automobile.
    Azerbaijani Samir Sadigov has developed an SUV with the sonorous name "Tank" for the famous American automobile company Rezvani Motors. Missing these guys. I am sure that Russia has a more solid potential.
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 18 January 2018 10: 32
      +2
      Quote: TUFAN
      Unfortunately, the auto industry in Russia is always lame

      Unfortunately, the auto industry is lame in all countries similarly.
      Quote: TUFAN
      it is necessary to attract young children to business, regardless of age, to encourage them.

      So automobile designers and so mostly young.
      But in order to bring fantasies to mass production - you need knowledge and experience, which is mainly among senior comrades.
      Quote: TUFAN
      It’s time for Russia to create its own global automobile.

      Create a little, you also need to sell on a global scale. But our cars are not allowed to enter the long-divided markets of other countries and are not going to be launched, no matter how wonderful they may be.
      Especially now, when most markets are in stagnation.
      1. 100502
        100502 18 January 2018 12: 49
        0
        What are you talking about, if you take our cars and the German ones are heaven and earth, our auto industry is more likely dead than alive.
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 20 January 2018 19: 10
          0
          Quote: 100502
          if you take our cars and the German is heaven and earth

          For example, a new Grant now costs 400 thousand rubles.
          Choose any new German car for 400 thousand rubles and let's compare.
          And then divorced clever people compare goods whose value varies several times.
      2. FLOOD
        FLOOD 18 January 2018 13: 38
        +1
        I think there will be no tension with the market. Many (many respects) Russian (that is, Soviet) cars in the post-Soviet space are respected and it’s not just the taste ... Well and more, the main thing is for you to have a wider range of consumers in your country who are loyal to a domestic and high-quality product ..
  27. 100502
    100502 18 January 2018 12: 46
    0
    They are not worth a scooter either
  28. onix757
    onix757 18 January 2018 20: 38
    0
    State investment in the project is 12,4 billion rubles.

    It must be assumed that somewhere in the vastness of Russia, production facilities were built for this project. Where they will, starting with casting, make the most advanced motors, transmission and other equipment. At least the amount of costs suggests this. I'm not mistaken, is that all?)
    1. onix757
      onix757 18 January 2018 20: 43
      0
      Well, if I’m wrong, can someone tell me what’s domestic in this device. And then getting another “domestic” superjet is not good.