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Nazarbayev suddenly prevented Kazakhstan from moving to a comfortable Latin one

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For that fought for it and ran. In the USA, they write, not without irony, that the transition of Kazakhstan to the Latin alphabet, initiated by Nazarbayev, was hindered by Nazarbayev himself. An amazing thing!




It’s impossible to translate Kazakh into Latin because of “presidential apostrophes”, quotes "InoTV" American newspaper "New York Times".

The translation of the Kazakh language into Latin, initiated by Nursultan Nazarbayev, about which much the world press wrote, suddenly faced an insurmountable obstacle. This obstacle gave rise to ... Nazarbayev himself!

Having decided to actively participate in the creation of a "new Kazakh script," reports "InoTV", the president of the state "provoked a barrage of criticism in his address."

The American edition reminds that Mr. Nazarbayev has been 26 for years already as the leader of Kazakhstan. This man is the first and still the only president of the country. However, this could not go on forever: recently, Mr. Nazarbayev changed his “talent for balancing conflicting interests”. The president stumbled upon ... the role of an apostrophe in spelling!

In May 2017, the Kazakh president announced the translation of the Kazakh language into the Latin alphabet. He motivated this decision by the desire to “fulfill the dreams of ancestors” and at the same time “give young generations a path to the future”.

As the journalist of the New York Times notes, Kazakhstan “is gradually nullifying the legacy of Moscow’s cultural and political hegemony.”

So it is or not, but the initiative for the transition to the Latin alphabet has raised the question of the transfer of sounds of the Kazakh language, which can not be written in neither Cyrillic nor Latin characters without additional designations. Such a question arose in stories Kazakhstan more than once: after all, the Kazakhs did not have their own alphabet. Before the 1917 revolution, Arabic signs were used in the Kazakh language, after the revolution - Latin letters, at the end of the 1930s. - Cyrillic.

The linguistic collegium of the National Commission for the Modernization of Public Consciousness was called upon to solve an incredibly difficult task. In August, 2017, its members proposed an alphabet, generally corresponding to the Turkish. But the presidential administration rejected it! Argument: on a standard keyboard there are no special characters borrowed from this language.

In response, linguists suggested using digraphs for Kazakh sounds (two-letter combinations like “ch”). In late October, the presidential entourage also rejected this option. Moreover, Mr. Nazarbayev promulgated a decree establishing an apostrophe ("" ") as the only special symbol for the Kazakh Latin alphabet. According to the presidential version, the sound [w] will be denoted by s', [h] - c ', and the long [u] - i'. Example: the word "shih" ("cherry") is spelled "s'i'i'e".

This decision Nazarbayev caused a flurry of criticism. Members of the college of linguists said that the writing would be "ugly and inaccurate." The public noted that this version of the written language would make it impossible to use search engines on the Internet.

The observer of the American newspaper believes that the noise around the presidential decree “exposed the fact that in this former Soviet republic almost everything, even the most insignificant and unimportant things, depend on the will of one seventy-year-old man - well, or at least those people which, in his own words, broadcast on his behalf. " According to the author of the article, the reaction of the public to the presidential initiative shows “the limits of the management approach of Mr. Nazarbayev”.

Apparently, we will notice, the limit is really designated: to sculpt an apostrophe after each written symbol will cause not only problems with search engines in a network, but also difficulties with a computer set. Keeping your finger on the apostrophe constantly, you know, will deprive the composure of the most self-possessed person.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Mig-31
    Mig-31 17 January 2018 07: 46
    18
    I wrote many times here, and once again I will write "then ... ha."
    1. Vard
      Vard 17 January 2018 07: 49
      19
      This is a normal occupation for a cat ... When he has nothing to do ...
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 13
        20
        Quote: Vard
        When he has nothing to do ...

        .... he is trying to show his "wisdom" and "significance", and in the end turns out to be a laughing stock
        1. Don
          Don 17 January 2018 08: 43
          41
          then what matters to us? it is an independent republic and let them decide what and how to write to them. if Russia is not an economically successful country, then centrifugal force will further alienate post-Soviet republics from us. therefore, the main problem of such events and decisions is not in them, but in Moscow, more precisely in the mediocre leadership of Russia.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 17 January 2018 10: 40
            22
            Quote: Donskoy
            then what matters to us? it is an independent republic and let them decide what and how to write to them. if Russia is not an economically successful country, then centrifugal force will further alienate post-Soviet republics from us. therefore, the main problem of such events and decisions is not in them, but in Moscow, more precisely in the mediocre leadership of Russia.
            Yes, we do not care about their alphabet. It is simply interesting that as soon as the independent republic had mattresses arrested 25 billion dollars, the mattress Latin was very uncomfortable to use. Bo the money for which it was possible to "format" the Kazakh alphabet ended with the arrest.
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 17 January 2018 11: 14
            22
            The fact is that quite a few of our compatriots live in Kazakhstan, and they need to be protected from hostile pressure. Moreover, Kazakhstan itself will be the loser. No matter what they say, this country has a very low level of its own culture and education. Kazakh culture does not produce any masterpieces - rummage in your memory.
            Definitely, the "ally" seeks to distance itself from Russian culture and Russia as a whole, it is impossible not to notice this. It is necessary to respond properly - but not by persuasion.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 17 January 2018 11: 51
              +8
              Quote: Victor N
              Kazakh culture does not produce any masterpieces - rummage in your memory.

              except for Abai, nothing comes to mind request
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 17 January 2018 12: 40
                21
                Quote: LSA57
                Quote: Victor N
                Kazakh culture does not produce any masterpieces - rummage in your memory.

                except for Abai, nothing comes to mind request


                I don’t know how now ... in the 90s I often went there on business trips. There were such brains in enterprises! The result of the evacuation of many factories in the Second World War. And not only in Kazakhstan - throughout Central Asia, although to a lesser extent. Then there was virgin land ... Also large infusions of both people and resources. Baikonur - from the same series ... Here it is the "imperial" policy of Moscow. So ... During the time of perestroika, there was a manic idea to put Kazakhs in posts in Kazakhstan, and without any reason - it’s just necessary. The head of the plant’s department (by the way, Korean people exported machine tools all over the world - I complained to me: “Where do I get so many Kazakh specialists ?? They’ve completely crazy!” The main brains in all the republics were Russians in the broad sense of this the words.
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 17 January 2018 13: 02
                  17
                  Quote: Yuyuka
                  During the time of perestroika, there was a manic idea to put Kazakhs in the posts in Kazakhstan, and without any reason - just like that.

                  One woman, a Russian, said, she fled from Kazakhstan at the beginning of this century. She worked as the head of the railway. stations in Ekibazstuzsky career. Cut back. In its place put a Kazakh woman, the former head of the kindergarten. She rides on a trolley, with a new one, shows her a plot. She does not listen, looks at the road. Then he asks the driver, and how do you manage to get into these pieces of iron. it's about the rails. we have a lot of refugees from Kazakhstan and such stories I heard a lot of carts and a small cart
                  1. raw174
                    raw174 18 January 2018 12: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: LSA57
                    and how are you so managing to get on these pieces of iron.

                    But really, how?! ..
                    But seriously, the way it is, we also have a border nearby, anti-Russian sentiments there are cleaner than Ukraine ...
              2. odometer
                odometer 17 January 2018 13: 13
                +6
                Mukhtar Auezov, Olzhas Suleimenov, Ilyas Yesenberlin - are well known and readable in Russia, those who are interested, of course. I can add A. Beck "Volokolomsk highway." Well, Jambul. And this is so offhand.
                1. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 17 January 2018 13: 36
                  14
                  Quote: curvimeter
                  Mukhtar Auezov, Olzhas Suleimenov, Ilyas Yesenberlin - are well known and readable in Russia, those who are interested, of course. I can add A. Beck "Volokolomsk highway." Well, Jambul. And this is so offhand.


                  well, now they are not so famous ... I recognized most of these authors thanks to the "single and powerful USSR", moreover, in translation, and not in the original. And thanks to the ability to move freely throughout the Union. So far, I have many books after these business trips by Kazakh, Uzbek, and Kyrgyz writers. It was just interesting to read about those parts, having seen everything live. Why am I? All this was possible only in a single country, with the support and promotion of national achievements! Moreover, no matter what they say, the Russian language was the language of the entire USSR, through this the whole large country could read and watch films of different nationalities. And now?? A generation that does not know Russian was born in Georgia, and in other "former" things are no better.
                  1. odometer
                    odometer 17 January 2018 15: 50
                    +5
                    I agree about the USSR. By the way, in Kazakhstan, the majority speaks Russian, to one degree or another. For now, at least.
                  2. Viktor.12.71
                    Viktor.12.71 18 January 2018 07: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Yuyuka
                    well, now they are not so famous ... I recognized most of these authors thanks to the "single and powerful USSR", moreover, in translation, and not in the original.

                    I have nothing against it, but of the great Russian writers in the West they know only Dostoevsky and all.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 12: 51
                      +1
                      Quote: Viktor.12.71
                      but of the great Russian writers in the West they know only Dostoevsky and all

                      Tolstoy ?!
                      1. Viktor.12.71
                        Viktor.12.71 18 January 2018 13: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Tolstoy ?!

                        Maybe. But most readers in the west are well aware of the works of Dostoevsky.
                    2. Yuyuka
                      Yuyuka 18 January 2018 14: 40
                      +3
                      Quote: Viktor.12.71
                      Quote: Yuyuka
                      well, now they are not so famous ... I recognized most of these authors thanks to the "single and powerful USSR", moreover, in translation, and not in the original.

                      I have nothing against it, but of the great Russian writers in the West they know only Dostoevsky and all.


                      Yes, they do not care for a long time the whole culture and not only that does not fit into their interests! In America, Mark Twain, many remember ?? After all, what was the superiority of the USSR? In that it was maintained and somewhere even instilled an interest in world literature, art. Not for nothing that we were the most reading country in the world. Now we are moving towards the "civilized" West, because of which the average level of culture and education leaves much to be desired ...

                      As Ranevskaya said, “Where do I go to you? It will take a very long time to go down! ” But we did it very quickly ...
                    3. Mikhail m
                      Mikhail m 23 January 2018 12: 28
                      -1
                      Quote: Viktor.12.71
                      Of the great Russian writers in the West, they know only Dostoevsky and all.

                      Perhaps less is known in Russia than in the West.
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 12: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: curvimeter
                  Mukhtar Auezov, Olzhas Suleimenov, Ilyas Yesenberlin - are well known and read in Russia

                  known yes, hardly readable
                  Quote: curvimeter
                  Well, Jambul

                  I remember only one work, and those torment experienced by learning it by heart
                  1. odometer
                    odometer 18 January 2018 14: 16
                    0
                    And what is still being read a lot in Russia now? Although, probably, Donskaya and others like her are breaking records. smile
                    1. Yuyuka
                      Yuyuka 18 January 2018 14: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: curvimeter
                      And what is still being read a lot in Russia now? Although, probably, Donskaya and others like her are breaking records. smile


                      that’s the whole point ... we are the heirs of one country and for a long time we will have much in common, including problems. That's when a generation grows up that will erase all the good things that happened during the Union, then ... I don’t even want to think about it. In Ukraine, this process went at an accelerated pace - there was a catalyst - the Bandera heirs ...
                    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 15: 53
                      0
                      Quote: curvimeter
                      Don and others like her break records.

                      I do not know, did not read
                    3. sergo42
                      sergo42 21 January 2018 20: 18
                      +2
                      I think more and more than in Kazakhstan and other Central Asian republics. There, under the USSR, science fiction, Dumas and other shortages were free in bookstores, because the locals didn’t need all this culture-cultures for nothing.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 21 January 2018 22: 55
                        +2
                        Well, you specifically lie
                3. AlexVas44
                  AlexVas44 22 January 2018 10: 53
                  +2
                  Quote: curvimeter
                  ... I can add A. Beck "Volokolomsk highway." Well, Jambul. And this is so offhand.


                  And for what is Alexander Alfredovich Beck, and even offhand?
                  1. Bobrovsky
                    Bobrovsky 22 January 2018 17: 39
                    0
                    Beck had three books, The Life of Berezhkov, about the designer of aircraft engines AA Mikulin, later an academician, Volokolamsk Highway and New Appointment about the life of Ivan Tovadrosovich Tevosyan.
            2. Alber
              Alber 22 January 2018 06: 14
              0
              Quote: Victor N
              No matter what they say, this country has a very low level of its own culture and education. Kazakh culture does not produce any masterpieces - rummage in your memory.

              well, about culture we also have thanks to the leadership (all sorts of middles) too, there will soon be nothing to brag about ...
              and with education also, if not worse.
              and in Kazakhstan, in fact, industry has been preserved (and not destroyed, like ours) since Soviet times. and by the way the construction industry. and also agriculture (grain production, meat and dairy industry)
          3. Wolverine
            Wolverine 17 January 2018 12: 05
            +4
            Of course, no, but I noticed that the bulk of them speak Russian and note without an accent ...
            1. Dedall
              Dedall 17 January 2018 21: 27
              +4
              And the Kazakhs generally have some kind of phonetic tendency towards the Russian language. If other Asians have not spoken Russian since childhood, then the emphasis will be even after thirty years of living in Russia. And the Kazakh immediately begins to speak correctly.
              But the question with the Balts is interesting. So, when we had an Estonian studying alone, who had never been to his ancestral home and whose home they spoke only Russian. Nevertheless, the western accent was obvious to him.
              1. bang
                bang 29 August 2018 13: 06
                0
                Estonian parents spoke with an accent, so he adopted the accent along with milk)
          4. intuzazist
            intuzazist 21 January 2018 19: 06
            0
            The word Russia is written with a capital letter! Especially the person with the Russian flag ............
        2. sgazeev
          sgazeev 17 January 2018 09: 52
          +9
          Quote: LSA57
          Quote: Vard
          When he has nothing to do ...

          .... he is trying to show his "wisdom" and "significance", and in the end turns out to be a laughing stock

          Babai is aging. The first sign of sclerotic thinking.
          1. kush62
            kush62 17 January 2018 18: 52
            +1
            sgazeev Today, 09:52 ↑ New
            Babai is aging. The first sign of sclerotic thinking.

            Kazakhs have ata grandfather
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 17 January 2018 11: 29
          +3
          Quote: LSA57
          .he is trying to show his "wisdom" and "significance"


          Hello, Sergey.
          Not him, but his clan and, first of all, daughter. And he didn’t go to Washington with a knee - the retinue forced.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 17 January 2018 11: 53
            +2
            Quote: Lelek
            Not him, but his clan and, first of all, daughter.

            Hi hi
            there, like a little daughter oh how smeared in corruption
        4. Kent0001
          Kent0001 23 January 2018 13: 32
          0
          Yes, everything is already enough to rule this elder. Let him go to rest and engage in falconry. Prsoto even invented writing for all nomadic peoples in the USSR, and many are only ready to piss that period for the sake of short-term interests, otherwise they probably didn’t wash every day before joining the USSR. No offense, just nomads are nomads.
    2. pvv113
      pvv113 17 January 2018 07: 55
      19
      And how do people feel about changing the alphabet? Indeed, more than one generation has grown in the Cyrillic alphabet
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 16
        15
        Quote: pvv113
        And how do people feel about changing the alphabet?

        yes him what? east ... the khan said that it is necessary "to fulfill the dreams of ancestors" (which? request ), then at least the grass does not grow and the sun does not rise, but do
        1. pvv113
          pvv113 17 January 2018 08: 38
          +7
          Well, yes, the ancestors have their quirks wink
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 17 January 2018 09: 00
            +8
            Quote: pvv113
            Well, yes, the ancestors have their quirks

            not what they wrote in Latin, and prayed in Latin laughing
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 17 January 2018 09: 06
              +4
              And even thought wink
              1. novel66
                novel66 17 January 2018 09: 36
                17
                I am embarrassed to ask, and who were the ancestors of the Kazakhs, do they go back to the proto-Ukrainians? lol
                1. Ushly_bashkort
                  Ushly_bashkort 17 January 2018 10: 30
                  18
                  Almost all small nationalities begin to invent a great past for themselves. I remember at school, in the lessons of History of Bashkortostan, they taught that the Bashkirs invented a wheel, a log house, baths (probably before the Romans), that the borders of the ancient Bashkir state (!!!) resembled the head of a wolf (from space they observed, aha), which is why it was called state from the words bash (head) and court (wolf). Then even a little fucked up with such approaches.

                  Therefore, it is not surprising that the role of the Kazakh people in the victory over Alexander the Great and the digging of the Caspian Sea will soon become clear.
                  1. Bulrumeb
                    Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 10: 44
                    +7
                    and digging of the Caspian Sea

                    Aral forgotten, it really dried up, but it was the same. And what dried up is the machinations of envious people, in this case, Uzbeks
                    1. Ushly_bashkort
                      Ushly_bashkort 17 January 2018 10: 50
                      +7
                      And then that dried up

                      Muscovites drank!
                      1. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 17 January 2018 20: 59
                        +4
                        Quote: Ushly_bashkort
                        And then that dried up

                        Muscovites drank!

                        No. Just the fishermen anchored the plug from the drain plum.
                2. pvv113
                  pvv113 17 January 2018 14: 18
                  +2
                  Roman, don’t try to take the 404th priority away wink
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 17 January 2018 14: 29
                    +4
                    no, the priority would be to hell with him, but from the mighty branch of the protoucurs there could have been a small escape to Asia, which gave rise to the glorious Kazakh people
                    1. pvv113
                      pvv113 17 January 2018 14: 34
                      +3
                      I will not argue. Protoukry, like cockroaches, could spread and give offspring around the world wink
                3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 13: 15
                  0
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  Do they go back to the protoucra?

                  according to a new theory, Kazakhs descended from Genghis Khan
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 18 January 2018 13: 20
                    0
                    and not vice versa lol ?
                  2. Zogak
                    Zogak 18 January 2018 15: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    according to a new theory, Kazakhs descended from Genghis Khan


                    The fact that the Kazakh tribes came with Genghis Khan was never a secret to anyone.


                    TEVKELEV I.V.

                    The news of the Kyrgyz-Kaisak people, and how they are divided, and the lands on which they swing, and what kind of people these lands belong to, and what their convenience and tendering are, then this is lower

                    1st. The places where they roam are the center of the great Tartari, and there were peoples living in cities, like the ruins of them and now testify, but in the third century after Christ, there was one of them Genghis Khan, a glorious robber, collecting a strong he devastated the party of the zbrodnago people, devastated all the places and cities from the Yaika River to Khiva, and to Bukhari, and to the Irtysh River, and here he wandered with that people, as before, he had no houses and no money. But their entire estate consists of horses and sheep, for which the goods they need, like cloth, leather and iron cauldrons, canvas and soaking horse-drawn zbrew are traded, and so from five to ten horses come from Russia every year from them, and the rams up to forty thousand, rifle-old peoples have saidaks and several fiery wicks without locks. From them the expelled Tatar people went to the Black Sea on the Nagai steppe, and after that they conquered the Crimea.

                    2nd. Multiplying, this people was divided into three, by rank: Large, Medium and Small Hordes. The big one wanders from the cities of Turkistan and Tashkent to Bukhari and to the Zingor Kalmyks and receives its satisfaction in these cities and in Bukhari, both the Bukhara khan belonging to and the Bukhara cities belonging to the Zingor possessions, so they don’t go to Orenburg to trade. Among them, although the Bolshaya is called, but no more than the following two Middle and Lesser, and in obedience to the Great Horde, until now, the owner of the Zingor Kalmyk was 88, but he is at his own discretion from the Chinese. [389]


                    http://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/M.Asien/X
                    VIII / 1720-1740 / Tevkelev_A_I / text9.htm
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 19: 43
                      +1
                      Quote: Zogak
                      The fact that the Kazakh tribes came with Genghis Khan was never a secret to anyone.

                      oppa
                      that is, have you come ?!
                      that is, not original, that is, Russians in Kazakhstan are the same founders of the country as Kazakhs? !!!
                      1. Zogak
                        Zogak 18 January 2018 19: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        oppa
                        that is, have you come ?!
                        that is, not original, that is, Russians in Kazakhstan are the same founders of the country as Kazakhs? !!!


                        Yes, but 500 years earlier than the Russian colonialists
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 17 January 2018 11: 55
                +2
                Quote: pvv113
                And even thought

                and dreamed wink and even declared love laughing
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 17 January 2018 14: 19
                  +1
                  And also had breakfast, lunch and dinner lol
      2. dSK
        dSK 17 January 2018 08: 23
        +5
        Hello Vladimir!
        Quote: pvv113
        more than one deviousness has grown
        Nursultan Abishevich is a diplomat of the old school, for 26 years he has done a lot for his country. "The talks between the two presidents took place today in the White House. "Congratulations on the birth of the ninth grandson, Mr. President," - said Nursultan Nazarbayev. After waiting for Trump to finish his thanks, he added: "I want to tell you, last year my tenth was born." According to users of social networks, the US president laughed even before he heard the translation of Nazarbayev’s words. This means that the American leader is familiar with the Russian language. The President of Kazakhstan praised the tax reform carried out by the leader of the United States.
        "Kazakhstan announced a visa-free regime for American citizens, which are with us. We hope for a response, "said Nazarbayev.
        (Channel "Tsargrad" 17.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        1. dSK
          dSK 17 January 2018 08: 39
          +4
          Nursultan Abishevich didn’t come to visit with empty hands: "Agreements were signed for the purchase of American products. The amount of transactions amounted to $ 2,5 billion. The State Department said that among the agreements signed by both parties between Boeing, GE Transportation, GE Digital, Chevron, Air Astana, Kazakhstan Passenger Transportation and others At least this the creation of hundreds of new jobs not only in Kazakhstan, but also in the States. " In addition, they touched on the issue of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. Nursultan Nazarbayev emphasized that the conflict on the Korean peninsula should be resolved only through diplomatic means. Moreover, Russia, China and the United States must participate in such a decision without fail, Nazarbayev said.(TV channel Tsargrad 17.01.18) Nazarbayev will also speak at the UN General Assembly.
          1. esaul
            esaul 17 January 2018 09: 24
            17
            Quote: dsk
            Nursultan Abishevich did not come empty-handed


            Dear colleague! Abishevich is forced to go there ALMOST empty-handed since Americans blocked 22 billion greens from the National Fund of Kazakhstan in pursuance of a court decision on a private claim in the amount of 1,5 billion laughing
            Where will Abishevich go now - he will sign everything that the red-haired man tells him to do. Therefore, the appearance of Abishevich at a press conference was harassed and doomed. Now he will be ordered on a regular basis what to buy from minke whales and how it is necessary to support anti-Russian sanctions. Trump - well done! Fuck decency! We want - we will take your grandmothers and still make you (USA) thank us for this!
            "Citizens! Keep money at the savings bank!" - a classic phrase from the film classics that Abishevich forgot in his old age!
            Abishevich is not given rest by the Ukrainians ’laurels - those who are more mature are ready to gallop without a break for lunch, if only they would not forget about them across the ocean.
            1. esaul
              esaul 17 January 2018 09: 37
              +6
              I will add that, of course, I added the words "ALMOST empty" - passionately. But, from this fear of Nursultan for his money, by no means, did not become ephemeral. The amount is decent and the fact that Kazakhstan will lose it if it does not bend to the Yankees is a definite thing.
            2. Grits
              Grits 17 January 2018 11: 07
              +7
              Americans blocked 22 billion greens from the National Fund of Kazakhstan
              Left a little. Soon this is shining for us. There will be more. The slogan about the "savings bank" we have forgotten, too, and for a long time.
              1. esaul
                esaul 17 January 2018 13: 25
                +3
                Quote: Gritsa
                Left a little. Soon this is shining for us. There will be more. The slogan about the "savings bank" we have forgotten, too, and for a long time.

                I do not argue that it will not be sweet, but - not only for us. To think that such a demarche will definitely harm only Russia is a misconception, especially if you look at how much investment has been made in international projects, including with the participation of the Americans.
                There will be a return arrest of assets in the territory of the Russian Federation. The "pilot" version of the USA was run in when it was forbidden to large European companies to work with Russia. What did you get? We got some hindrance in business, and then a revival of deolvo activity. I came across a couple of years ago infa about comparing our assets in the USA with us and American with us. The ratio was not far critical. Arguments that ours will not dare to do so in response are not valid. Case and summary with Yukos to help you.
                Well, if, after all, it’s not entirely clear, then:
                _____________ Russia may seize US property in retaliation if the US side takes a similar decision on its territory, the Kommersant newspaper writes about this.
                The ex-shareholders of Yukos asked to arrest the property of Russia in the USA in the court of the District of Columbia. Their demand is for the American authorities to recognize the decision of the Hague court, according to which the property of Russia in Belgium and France was seized.
                In response to a request from former Yukos shareholders, the US State Department sent them a letter citing a response note from the Russian Foreign Ministry. It says that a possible response to Russia would be the seizure of US property.

                - Not so long ago, the possibility of adopting the so-called. "Rotenberg's Law." The bill assumed not only compensation for losses in the event of an unlawful decision by a foreign court (which was negatively perceived in the society as “insurance for oligarchs”), but also a regressive claim of the Russian Federation to a foreign state, suggesting retaliatory measures. Including the freezing of assets and accounts of non-residents in the territory of the Russian Federation.
                As you know, the bill did not pass, but you can return to its consideration. That is, if a foreign state begins to expropriate Russian property and assets abroad, we respond in a symmetrical manner. I must say right away that such a “exchange of blows” will turn out to be painful not only for our opponents, but also for Russia itself. Nationalization on a territorial basis is fraught with a deterioration of the investment climate on a planetary scale.
                In the long run, it can seriously redraw the map of investment risks and lead to a worsening of the global economic crisis. Honestly, I don’t think that the United States is committed to total repression of Russian assets. It is quite difficult to calculate how such a war will end. Even if you are in Washington .---------------

                And yet - if the Americans at 100% were sure of the impossibility of retaliatory and painless measures for the United States on the part of Russia, they would have long ago applied their own. Now this is pressure that may end with a "reconciliation of the parties." Let us recall Trump’s rhetoric regarding the DPRK recently and compare what Trump is saying now.
                ------
            3. Lelek
              Lelek 18 January 2018 09: 03
              +1
              Quote: esaul
              Where will Abishevich go now - he will sign everything that the red-haired man tells him to do.

              hi

              As a comment on the picture: "Let your pen lick."
          2. 32363
            32363 17 January 2018 13: 24
            0
            Quote: dsk
            Agreements were signed for the purchase of American products. The amount of transactions amounted to 2,5 billion dollars.

            I have a Kent, a Kazakh, a combine operator from the Kustanai region, so they have all the American equipment, but this is the border with Russia and you could sell your equipment there, but the Americans jumped.
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 17 January 2018 08: 39
          10
          After the collapse of the USSR, I considered Nazarbayev the most appropriate of all the leaders of the post-Soviet republics.
          1. Alekseits
            Alekseits 17 January 2018 09: 04
            +8
            Against the background of the rest, he was like that.
            1. Rodimets
              Rodimets 17 January 2018 17: 05
              0
              Totally agree with you.
          2. novel66
            novel66 17 January 2018 09: 37
            +6
            rolled steep slope
          3. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 17 January 2018 12: 49
            +6
            Quote: pvv113
            After the collapse of the USSR, I considered Nazarbayev the most appropriate of all the leaders of the post-Soviet republics.


            "Dizzy with success" (c) What can I add ... the illusion that the USSR was feeding from the republics, strangling national minorities ... In general, it was a prison of nations ... Many say thanks to EBN here ... Well, what can I say ... speaking abbreviation, vowels are just not enough. This is called - they warned you!
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 17 January 2018 14: 21
              +2
              Quote: Yuyuka
              Speaking abbreviation, vowels are just not enough.

              Everything is said without vowels
            2. pvv113
              pvv113 17 January 2018 14: 38
              +6
              the illusion that the USSR was fed from the republics, strangled national minorities ...

              Here are some interesting numbers about who fed whom.

              It turns out that in the Union only the RSFSR and the BSSR produced more than they consumed.
          4. 32363
            32363 17 January 2018 13: 26
            +7
            Quote: pvv113
            After the collapse of the USSR, I considered Nazarbayev the most appropriate of all the leaders of the post-Soviet republics.

            yeah, they beat the Russians with the Germans and now they are cheating, from all the factories of the USSR period warehouses and bazaars have been made.
            1. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 17 January 2018 14: 59
              +4
              Quote: 32363
              Quote: pvv113
              After the collapse of the USSR, I considered Nazarbayev the most appropriate of all the leaders of the post-Soviet republics.

              yeah, they beat the Russians with the Germans and now they are cheating, from all the factories of the USSR period warehouses and bazaars have been made.


              judging by the HOW it was all done in the 90s - the scenario is the same ... I looked at the factory in Chimkent (now Shymkent) on a satellite map, which was wound on business trips ... destroyed shops without roofs ... Only then I understood with what rink the "war without shots" in the USSR took place - without hordes of invaders ... In the Second World War a part of the European territory of the country was destroyed, the rest, on the contrary, received the resources of people and factories. And here the whole country was in ruin and the restoration of the end is not visible ...
          5. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 14: 05
            +1
            Quote: pvv113
            Nazarbayev the most adequate of all the leaders of the post-Soviet republics

            he is not adequate, he is cunning ... done
      3. odometer
        odometer 17 January 2018 13: 17
        0
        No way. What is the will, what is not the will ... But everyone understands that everything will be complicated - first of all, purely technically.
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 17 January 2018 18: 55
        +3
        Quote: pvv113
        And how do people feel about changing the alphabet? Indeed, more than one generation has grown in the Cyrillic alphabet

        Vladimir, welcome! I served at the Semipalatinsk training ground. Now there are many more friends and acquaintances left there in Semipalatinsk (now Semey). Both Kazakhs and Russians. When about a couple of months ago the Latin initiative was voiced, I called them, of course. Asked for an opinion. I just can’t voice it here. From the whole text of the telephone “message” only a couple of censored words can be distinguished.
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 17 January 2018 08: 07
      +5
      Nowhere to put money! Translate all country documentation into another font - TIN!
      So maybe new “friends” from across the ocean will throw a couple of billion green wrappers on this vital business ?! - "WHAT IS IT WORTH FOR YOU?"
      1. Mig-31
        Mig-31 17 January 2018 14: 36
        +3
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Nowhere to put money! Translate all country documentation into another font - TIN!
        So maybe new “friends” from across the ocean will throw a couple of billion green wrappers on this vital business ?! - "WHAT IS IT WORTH FOR YOU?"

        Yeah, they’ll throw it up, they will shake the last penny from us, from the common people, because we are doing a great thing, we, Kazakhs, will automatically become true English.
      2. Dedall
        Dedall 17 January 2018 21: 45
        +3
        Russia also has stupidity above the roof. For example, it took more than 150 billion to rename the streets alone. But for me, for example, the most revealing case is the renaming of the Novocherkassk Polytechnic Institute, first to the University, then to the South Russian Polytechnic University. and then the increase "im.Platova." Each time, tons of documentation corresponded.
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 18 January 2018 14: 53
          0
          Quote: Dedall
          Russia also has stupidity above the roof. For example, it took more than 150 billion to rename the streets alone. But for me, for example, the most revealing case is the renaming of the Novocherkassk Polytechnic Institute, first to the University, then to the South Russian Polytechnic University. and then the increase "im.Platova." Each time, tons of documentation corresponded.


          and this was a sign of the stormy activity of the state service in the 90s ... for months in the Duma they erased everything that could somehow remind of the advantage of the Soviet system. Echoes then under President Medvedev - “police” to “police” request What ... vegetable ?? Well, still would rename the planets and stars engaged ... there are many of them, for a long time would be enough
    4. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 17 January 2018 08: 08
      +1
      It’s time for my grandfather to rest, to spray the garden.
      1. PValery53
        PValery53 17 January 2018 21: 34
        +1
        "It's time for grandfather to rest, to spray the garden"
        - Yes ... and sprinkle with sand. .
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 17 January 2018 07: 49
    +9
    deprive of balance
    But the Turkish alphabet will not deprive! I’m bastard - where is Turkey and where is Kazakhstan! wassat
    1. Grits
      Grits 17 January 2018 11: 29
      +3
      I’m bastard - where is Turkey and where is Kazakhstan
      They have one Turkic language family
  3. cobalt
    cobalt 17 January 2018 07: 52
    +5
    Let them switch to Chinese characters, China is nearby, keyboards with hieroglyphs will be brought.
    1. Professor
      Professor 17 January 2018 08: 12
      +1
      Quote: cobalt
      Let them switch to Chinese characters, China is nearby, hieroglyph keyboards will be driven.

      Show me one such. Come on. wink

      The observer of the American newspaper believes that the noise around the presidential decree “revealed the fact that in this former Soviet republic almost everything, even the most insignificant and unimportant things, depends on the will of one seventy-year-old person ...

      For Americans, this is a curiosity, but Nazarbayev is not alone in the manual control of the country.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 17 January 2018 08: 19
        13

        Is it a curiosity? In China, they will be happy to help Kazakhstan switch to the new alphabet.
        1. Professor
          Professor 17 January 2018 08: 29
          +1
          Quote: Moskovit
          Is it a curiosity? In China, they will be happy to help Kazakhstan switch to the new alphabet.

          You can’t imagine how strange it is. I’ve been to China dozens of times, and for the first time I see this. The Chinese use the standard Latin clave.
          1. My_log_in
            My_log_in 17 January 2018 08: 53
            +8
            Apparently, only the Chinese are familiar with the English language, because there are also other Chinese ...
            and in general, for those who have a ban in google https://habrahabr.ru/company/abbyy/blog/104083/
            1. Professor
              Professor 17 January 2018 09: 16
              +1
              Quote: My_Log_In
              Apparently, only the Chinese are familiar with the English language, because there are also other Chinese ..

              Here is the answer from the Chinese woman:
              it is really Chinese Letter on this keyboad, but we never use it, we use it some letter combination to type Chinese words
              These are really Chinese letters, but we never use them, we use some combination of (from Latin) letters to write Chinese words.

              On my own behalf, I’ll add that more than 1000 people work in our factory in China and only a few speak English, but all the keys in the factory are in Latin script.

              On my own behalf, I’ll add that more than 1000 people work in our factory in China and only a few speak English, but all the keys in the factory are in Latin script. In Chinese there are about 80 000 hieroglyphs, but only 3500 of them are common. Claudia with 3500 keys. wassat
          2. Moskovit
            Moskovit 17 January 2018 09: 37
            +5
            Imagine, I’ve been to China dozens of times, too, and I’ll go again soon, and saw keyboards, both on standard computers and on laptops with Chinese characters. And I saw a Chinese character popping up when I pressed a key. It’s a pity that I’ll go in the spring and not take pictures, because I’ll forget).
            1. Professor
              Professor 17 January 2018 09: 45
              +2
              Quote: Moskovit
              Imagine, I’ve been to China dozens of times, too, and I’ll go again soon, and saw keyboards, both on standard computers and on laptops with Chinese characters. And I saw a Chinese character popping up when I pressed a key. It’s a pity that I’ll go in the spring and not take pictures, because I’ll forget).

              And how did they stick 3500 of hieroglyphs in one clave? You did not ask them? wink
              1. Moskovit
                Moskovit 17 January 2018 09: 52
                +4
                Imagine asked. And they stuck it all on the phone, because there too the keyboard is not one and a half square meters. Technology type T9. Presses a hieroglyph and options pop up.
        2. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 17 January 2018 08: 30
          +6
          Quote: Moskovit
          Is it a curiosity?

          That yes yes yes I will give And the professor merged. laughing
        3. Professor
          Professor 17 January 2018 08: 59
          +3
          Quote: Moskovit

          Is it a curiosity? In China, they will be happy to help Kazakhstan switch to the new alphabet.

          Trust but check. I asked my colleague from China. She sees a Chinese keyboard for the first time in her life. Here is our correspondence.
          1. SOF
            SOF 17 January 2018 10: 18
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Trust but check. I asked my colleague from China. She sees a Chinese keyboard for the first time in her life. Here is our correspondence.

            ... since such a booze started ...
            Ask a colleague: And they all, from small to largein order to work with a computer are forced to know least, Latin alphabet???
            ... if so, then I begin to be afraid of the Chinese .... as I imagine an old woman, about a hundred years old, who’s the recipe for making some shaanesh, yes in pure english looking for, then terribly becomes ....
            recourse
            1. Professor
              Professor 17 January 2018 12: 35
              +1
              Quote: SOF
              Ask a colleague:

              Tomorrow I’ll definitely ask, because today they have already worked.
              1. SOF
                SOF 17 January 2018 13: 54
                0
                Quote: Professor
                I’ll be sure to ask tomorrow

                ...thanks, I'll wait...
                1. Professor
                  Professor 18 January 2018 09: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: SOF
                  Quote: Professor
                  I’ll be sure to ask tomorrow

                  ...thanks, I'll wait...

                  As promised, I asked my colleague. Children also do not have Chinese claudia, and children from mala write in Latin. Still have questions for her? She already decided that I was going to learn Chinese ... wink


                  Quote: Varna
                  The habit of the professor of everyone and everything to suppress the know-it-alls with his aplomb this time failed him ...))

                  the "professor" is not a know-it-all, but a very interested person. I always ask knowledgeable people in a particular area. And who better than the Chinese know about the Chinese clave?
                  1. SOF
                    SOF 18 January 2018 18: 32
                    0
                    ... thank :)
                    But the image of a mossy old woman, with knowledge of English, still excites sad
              2. Varna
                Varna 17 January 2018 22: 45
                0
                The habit of the professor of everyone and everything to suppress the know-it-alls with his aplomb this time failed him ...))
  4. Aleksandr69
    Aleksandr69 17 January 2018 07: 54
    +4
    Let them adopt the experience of the Chinese: release their keyboard
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 17 January 2018 07: 55
    12
    We must switch to the writing of another great neighbor - China. Then all the problems will surely disappear, and there will be no problems with the apostrophes. Mark each word with a hieroglyph - and get hurt.
    After all, Kazakhstan has no other concerns, only it remains to deal with writing. Do not take the example from the wild Mongols - they are backward, still use the Cyrillic alphabet and do not buzz.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 17
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      After all, Kazakhstan has no other worries, only to deal with writing

      Yes, and money in the budget in bulk
    2. novel66
      novel66 17 January 2018 09: 41
      +1
      the Mongol Cyrillic recalls the sweet period of the Mongol-Tatar yoke. oh, they’ve lived ....
  6. Moskovit
    Moskovit 17 January 2018 07: 58
    35
    It would be necessary for Kazakhstan to demolish Baikonur and Ekibastuz, and indeed all cities, as the legacy of Moscow. Sit in a yurt, get a dombra and sit a lamb bone, suck it under songs in the Latin alphabet with apostrophes.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 18
      +3
      Quote: Moskovit
      It would be necessary for Kazakhstan to demolish Baikonur

      hands are short. everything has long been paid for rent
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 17 January 2018 09: 02
        +6
        Quote: LSA57
        hands are short. everything has long been paid for rent

        That's just the point, they didn’t build Baikonur, but everywhere they beat themselves in the chest, and declare "we have a spaceport."
        1. Serving the Fatherland
          Serving the Fatherland 17 January 2018 09: 33
          +5
          Comrades, wake up! Baikonur built the whole Union, including the Kazakhs! And so it relates to its heritage, such as must be demolished, just irresponsible!
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 17 January 2018 11: 54
            +2
            Quote: Serving_fatherland
            Baikonur built the whole Union,

            He built the entire Union, and now only one takes a rent. And where does “the whole Union” mean, Russia will refuse to launch from Baikonur and what will Kazakhstan do with it? This is the case when "the fig goat button accordion?".
            1. romb
              romb 17 January 2018 12: 08
              +2
              God bless him. Persuaded. Tomorrow we will close Baikonir.
              Guess who will cry? The hint is definitely not Kazakhstan.
              1. Atilla
                Atilla 23 January 2018 17: 05
                +1
                Yes, Baikonur will so soon order a long life. Who will launch something from him? OUR Roscosmos, which is supervised by the great astronaut Rogozin, will soon only launch balloons, and then if they manage to inflate properly.
          2. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 21 January 2018 02: 11
            +1
            Come on! For 17 years of work in Yakutia, I saw three working Yakuts. and then not purebred but mestizos (sahalyarov). But when the city was rebuilt, then they are said to have "come in large numbers". And they occupied all the first posts in the city government. Nachmil-Yakut, prosecutor-Yakut, pre-city council, chief accountant, heads of services, directors of shops, bases, schools. All are Yakuts. And it started guano through the pipes ....
        2. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 10: 25
          +3
          So Russia did not build it. No need to stick on. He built the USSR.
          You, yourself, built Vostochny yourself. And everyone sees what came of it))
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 13
            +5
            Quote: romb
            No need to stick on. He built the USSR.

            and Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. Russia alone paid off debts for the entire USSR, and now so many heirs have drawn
            1. romb
              romb 17 January 2018 12: 31
              +2
              So the actual profit was much greater. The legacy went to: the most powerful nuclear triad, the second most developed industry in the world (which has already been successfully profiled). Tens of thousands of Soviet objects abroad (sold out). Plus - huge debt obligations to the USSR (which have almost been forgiven or waved at various palm oils).
              It is not in vain that the political oligarchy of the new Russian Federation is shaking directly from the mere thought of a proportional division of the rights and obligations of the common Soviet heritage.
              Paradoxically, Russia accepted these "obligations" with joy. So, there is nothing to cry if you could not take advantage of the chic opportunities that have opened up, and to a large extent you have profiled them so carelessly
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 17 January 2018 12: 54
            +1
            Quote: romb
            So Russia did not build it. No need to stick on. He built the USSR.
            You, yourself, built Vostochny yourself. And everyone sees what came of it))


            Well, okay, we have clung to it ... and then what are you getting into? cling to clinging? wassat at least somehow identify yourself with involvement in space?
            1. romb
              romb 17 January 2018 13: 01
              +2
              The object was built by the USSR and not Russia.
              Now there is no USSR.
              The facility is located in Kazakhstan.
              Question: who is superfluous here?
              Interestingly, what does Russia have to do with it? Let them say thanks that a foreign state allows the use of objects and land on its territory.
        3. LSA57
          LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 10
          +2
          Quote: Orionvit
          That's just the point, they didn’t build Baikonur, but everywhere they beat themselves in the chest, and declare "we have a spaceport."

          for some time gained access to the city of Leninsk. looted
    2. Siban
      Siban 17 January 2018 09: 31
      +3
      Quote: Moskovit
      It would be necessary for Kazakhstan to demolish Baikonur and Ekibastuz, and indeed all cities, as the heritage of Moscow
      Yeah wink we’ll do it when you demolish the American Windows on your laptop. You can also throw it away, because it is Chinese / American / Japanese. From the "Military Review" guys can also self-withdraw - he is on the servers of Germany, and after all, "grandfathers fought soldier"The Internet, by the way, is also Pindocamand you are still here .. request
      Sit in a hut with witches under vodka, put on a jacket, get a balalaika and sit eat borscht under the ditties ..
      So start, and after you we will take on Baikonur and Ekibastuz ..
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 17 January 2018 10: 09
        11
        Ahah. You must have invented and implemented it all, since you are so proud. Who do you work in America? Dishwasher? Or are you sitting on the manual? They are touched by such eagles, they arrived at all ready and already consider all the achievements of the West to be their own. The USSR created Kazakhstan. Created science, culture, education. All. What was up there? Steppe and herds.
        1. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 10: 28
          +2
          So he-the USSR and gave you freedom. You, a few decades before the October Revolution, for the most part, were simply household items - serf (powerless) objects. Illiterate and disenfranchised creatures.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 17 January 2018 10: 33
            +5
            Start reading a history book. As you read, learn the dates, start writing.
            1. romb
              romb 17 January 2018 10: 38
              +1
              It is possible in more detail. What textbooks?
              Related to the history of serfdom in tsarist Russia? Somehow even uncomfortable. Too unpleasant facts are described there.
              1. Moskovit
                Moskovit 17 January 2018 11: 07
                +2
                Of course, serfdom is far from the best page in the history of Russia. But at that time there was generally slavery in the steppes. And medieval orders.
                And without the USSR, our people were quite free. How many were the parties in 1913 compared with 1923 for example. But literature, art, architecture, did slaves do this?
                And what can Kazakhstan boast of? Epos?
                1. romb
                  romb 17 January 2018 11: 26
                  0
                  There was no slavery in the steppe. Only the slavery in North America can be compared with the shameful era of serfdom.
                  So the United States by this time was the most industrialized power in the world. Moreover, the development of scientific and technological progress did not require a democratic system. And the overwhelming majority of Russian serfs did not somehow influence the scientific thought of the state; they could not pronounce their name in bukf.
                  And as for oral folklore, Turkic peoples, in general, have the richest culture in the world. Ancient heroic epics alone could not be counted.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: romb
                    There was no slavery in the steppe.

                    and where did they put the captured people? wander with you?
                    1. Zogak
                      Zogak 17 January 2018 12: 50
                      +4
                      Quote: LSA57
                      and where did they put the captured people? wander with you?


                      Sold to the Uzbeks. But do not forget that in Russian Siberia there was also slavery. It is slavery, not serfdom.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 17 January 2018 18: 01
                        +2
                        Quote: Zogak
                        Sold to the Uzbeks.

                        yes it is worse than slavery, to trade people
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 19: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Zogak
                        Siberia was also slavery. It is slavery, not serfdom.

                        let's not invent, a descendant of Genghis Khan
                    2. Moskovit
                      Moskovit 17 January 2018 13: 18
                      +3
                      Yes, they took fishing. Kebabs. Songs to be sung to them while the Kazakhs built cities, plowed, sowed and laid roads.
                    3. romb
                      romb 17 January 2018 13: 58
                      0
                      An attempt to control, under conditions of constant nomadic movement of a captured person, as a certain disenfranchised object within four walls, was an extremely ineffective business. Consequently, the production was either resold in the slave markets of Central Asia or acted as a subject for further exchange for its fellow tribesman. Often, those captured actually become younger members of the family / clan with a certain amount of rights and obligations. And in general, the capture and humiliation of another representative by a nomad was considered an ungrateful and unacceptable matter.
                  2. Moskovit
                    Moskovit 17 January 2018 13: 01
                    +5
                    Did you live in the era of serfdom? Where does such knowledge about the literacy level of peasants come from? There is a giant layer of documents. Various parish books, receipts, letters from peasants, complaints, petitions, etc. But the Kazakh people did not bother to invent writing. There was once a heroic Turkic people. About the United States generally funny. What caused their civil war to break out? And the fact that until the 60s of the 20th century in the southern states was racial segregation?

                    Googling about slavery in Kazakhstan. There are also prices. Even Russian border regions were involved in trade. There were not enough people to explore Siberia. Until 1822 they banned it. Moreover, the Kyrgyz and Kazakhs often sold children to save them from starvation.
                    1. romb
                      romb 17 January 2018 13: 55
                      0
                      I thought you were writing something clever. And you find yourself again. A case of a private nature was, is and will always be, everywhere, and in any culture. In this aspect, an attempt to interpret a particular focal phenomenon of a private nature as something taken for granted. That you wrote obvious nonsense. Then Russia is still with both legs in this, slavery itself, because There will be many such cases in today's Russia. laughing

                      One should not even try to draw analogies between the indicated and such an ugly and terrible in its inhumanity mass phenomenon as serfdom of the Russian population. Such a phenomenon must be sought for a very long time in historical annals.
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 16
                +3
                Quote: romb
                Related to the history of serfdom in tsarist Russia?

                we then read Uncle Tom’s Hut. that's where true democracy
              3. Atilla
                Atilla 23 January 2018 17: 14
                0
                And what happened to your story? I roughly guess that after digging the Black Sea, ancient Ukrainians came to you for rehabilitation and the most worthy ones remained with you. I envy you with all my heart.
        2. Siban
          Siban 17 January 2018 14: 56
          0
          Quote: Moskovit
          Ahah. You must have invented and implemented it all, since you’re so proud

          Uhuh. As I understand it, it’s you who invented everything and introduced it since it’s so excitinglol?! Have you personally built Baikonur ?! Don’t dodge, cut off the American Internet ..
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          And why not written in runes?
          If the "Great Sky" will put me Elbasy drinksI will translate firstbully
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Why are you flying the US flag?
          Duc banned Topvar in Kazakhstanwassat
          1. odometer
            odometer 17 January 2018 15: 53
            0
            There is no lock.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 17 January 2018 10: 35
        +4
        Quote: Siban
        So start, and after you we will take on Baikonur and Ekibastuz ..

        And why not written in runes? By the way, a patriot of Kazakhstan, why are you flying the US flag? laughing
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 14
        +2
        Quote: Siban
        So start, and after you we will take on Baikonur and Ekibastuz ..

        repay your duty for the USSR, and then demolish
    3. romb
      romb 17 January 2018 10: 26
      +1
      Aren't you afraid what else should be left? Come take away the enterprises (pieces of metal) built by Kazakhs, among others, during the years of general Soviet power. At the same time, generously and repeatedly paid for by natural resources pumped out of KAZAKH land. And do not forget, since I came to take, take with me all the negative consequences from hundreds of different tests, including biological and nuclear weapons, that destroyed or removed millions of kilometers of land for a very long time from economic turnover, causing awesome irreparable damage to the ecofauna of Kazakhstan. And since such a conversation has begun, let's repair the harm done to the life and health of several million citizens who officially suffered from the activities of the Semipalatinsk test site. And there still exists. And yes, do not forget to return those material goods or the financial value of hundreds of billions of tons of rare earth materials that were mercilessly pumped out of the bowels over decades of godless use. It seems to me that with such your hoteliers and kookies, the next president of Kazakhstan will simply be forced to present an official claim by Russia for all the damage done to Kazakhstan during the years of its entry into the USSR. And the bill in this case will go clearly to trillions.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 17 January 2018 10: 40
        12
        What are millions of square kilometers of land? Near Baikonur there were flood meadows? We chose the deserted and lifeless corners of Kazakhstan. Salt flats and deserts.
        And where to put down the virgin soil, they ruined the steppe with wheat?
        For industrialization and statehood must be paid. Or live in a yurt. And the fact that the Kazakhs turned the enterprises into pieces of metal and pulled everything away is a question for them. They are smarter than the colonizers.
        1. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 10: 43
          0
          Take a trip to Kazakhstan. In the former Semipalatinsk. And say that it was. Let's see what and how the locals will do with you.
          1. Moskovit
            Moskovit 17 January 2018 11: 01
            +7
            We must not go now. And in the Soviet years, when people there received 1000 r and shops were inundated with deficit. There Kazakhs there were three and a half people. I did not live so far from there. So I know what it was. In general, Kazakhstan was much better off than neighboring Russia. The miners and the military did not stint. They always came from there with full bags.
            1. romb
              romb 17 January 2018 11: 33
              +1
              wassat - How old are you? Why did you write such a thing laughing
              1. Moskovit
                Moskovit 17 January 2018 13: 09
                +5
                I know what I am writing. He just lived at that time and traveled more than once to Kazakhstan. In Semipalatinsk, who was connected with the atom received very high standards. Plus for the harmfulness.
        2. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 10: 47
          +1
          Spoiled. Too stupidly spent Tselina. It led to desertification and soil degradation. And even this could not help the USSR food program. All the same, they began to buy wheat abroad. So that...
          1. 32363
            32363 17 January 2018 13: 32
            +4
            Quote: romb
            Spoiled. Too stupidly spent Tselina. It led to desertification and soil degradation. And even this could not help the USSR food program. All the same, they began to buy wheat abroad. So that...

            everything is fine with the soil, there are no and no deserts, I’m Tselinogradsky myself and I know the topic firsthand, in KB I worked on anti-erosion techniques. But I saw with my own eyes how much land disappears on the border of the Sverdlovsk and Tyumen regions.
            1. romb
              romb 17 January 2018 14: 40
              0
              How is this normal with the soil? Unfortunately, it is not. Now the Institute of Soil Science and Agrochemistry is sounding the alarm, they write and say that the problem is very serious. According to the same Soviet sources: During the development of virgin arable land, humus losses from the arable horizon exceeded one billion tons, or a third of its initial reserves in chernozems and chestnut soils. In the very first years (1957-1958), as a result of unprecedented plowing, dust storms began on light soils in the Pavlodar region, and in the early 60s, soil blowing processes swept the lands of the entire virgin region. By 1960 in Northern Kazakhstan, more than 9 million hectares of soil were subjected to wind erosion, which was then equal to approximately the entire agricultural area of ​​such a country as France. The humus layer was destroyed, and together with the death of each millimeter layer on one hectare, 76 kg of nitrogen, 240 kg of phosphorus, 800 kg of potassium were lost, and no "big chemistry" was able to compensate for the losses. The humus layer was destroyed, and together with the death of each a millimeter layer per hectare lost 76 kg of nitrogen, 240 kg of phosphorus, 800 kg of potassium, and no “big chemistry” was able to compensate for the loss.
              The Leicester Brown Institute for Worldwide Observation (USA) estimates the loss of the topsoil on the arable land of the former USSR at about 2,3 billion tons per year.
      2. Grits
        Grits 17 January 2018 12: 06
        +3
        Well, if such a conversation really began, then we will deal with Semipalatinsk and Ekibazstuz. Because it was the territory of South Siberia. Where periodically the Kyrgyz (not Kazakhs invented) ran on mares. Therefore, then return your entire Kazakh north to your homeland in Russia and begin to switch to any language
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 20
        +3
        Quote: romb
        And yes, do not forget to return those material goods or the financial value of hundreds of billions of tons of rare earth materials that were mercilessly pumped out of the bowels over decades of godless use.

        and all this Russia swallowed alone? belay and didn’t share it with anyone? belay
        It seems the RSFSR was the richest republic
      4. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 18: 03
        +2
        Quote: romb
        Come take the enterprises (pieces of metal),

        Russia turned them into this, or the savagery of the local population?
        1. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 19: 01
          0
          Are you talking about the fate of thousands of Soviet enterprises that were stolen during the era of the independence of the Russian Federation? belay
          1. Redfox3k
            Redfox3k 18 January 2018 10: 17
            +2
            There is no such word in Russian.
            1. Kirill Popov
              Kirill Popov 22 January 2018 17: 59
              0
              Crest burned.
      5. Dedall
        Dedall 17 January 2018 22: 08
        +3
        By the way, dear, here you have written the words about the millions of dead people in the Semipalatinsk region. So according to the census in the entire region only 150 thousand lived. And with regard to radiation, it is also very greatly exaggerated - he himself walked along the edges with the radiometer when he served. The extreme level is 22 micro-roentgens per hour, and on average 15 (in the basements of Novocherkassk houses - 7, from expanded clay in concrete -16, in the workshop for repairing aircraft instruments - 30).
    4. Zogak
      Zogak 17 January 2018 10: 30
      +1
      Why don't you demolish all the factories built by American and German engineers during the period of industrialization?
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 17 January 2018 10: 43
        +6
        But did Russia renounce something? What was built there in the USSR with the participation of American engineers who received normal money for this? Can this be compared with the construction of civilization in Kazakhstan?
        1. Zogak
          Zogak 17 January 2018 12: 45
          0
          Did Kazakhstan abdicate?
          Yes, and the industrialization of the Republic of Ingushetia, how is it essentially different from the "construction" of civilization in Kazakhstan? Yes, nothing. Without American and German technologies, the USSR would not have survived the same World War II.
          1. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 18 January 2018 15: 06
            +3
            Quote: Zogak
            Did Kazakhstan abdicate?
            Yes, and the industrialization of the Republic of Ingushetia, how is it essentially different from the "construction" of civilization in Kazakhstan? Yes, nothing. Without American and German technologies, the USSR would not have survived the same World War II.


            belay Germans "leaked" to us "Katyusha", T-34, IL? Or were they Americans? fool and what kind of technology for the zombie of Soviet soldiers were transferred ?? Otherwise, I can’t understand - how can one voluntarily allow for embrasure or a plane for echelons ?? Here you are not talking - the Japanese have also given us technology from kamikaze belay yeah ... there’s a completely different diagnosis ...
            1. Zogak
              Zogak 18 January 2018 15: 26
              0
              Quote: Yuyuka
              belay Germans "leaked" to us "Katyusha", T-34, IL ?? Or were they Americans? fool and any such technology for zombie Soviet soldiers were transferred ?? Otherwise, I can’t understand - how can one voluntarily allow for embrasure or a plane for echelons ?? Here you’re not talking - the Japanese have also given us technologies from kamikaze belay yeah ... there’s a completely different diagnosis ...


              Take an interest in the leisure industrialization of the USSR. You will learn a lot for yourself.
              And you may stop jerking. And about the Japanese, yes. The diagnosis is with you. wink
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 19: 50
                +3
                Quote: Zogak
                Take an interest in the leisure industrialization of the USSR. You will learn a lot for yourself.

                you forget that all this was bought for gold, this is not a gift, but an acquisition
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 19: 48
            0
            Quote: Zogak
            Did Kazakhstan abdicate?

            you frankly declare that all this was done by hated colonialists, often to the detriment of the Kazakhs
            1. Zogak
              Zogak 19 January 2018 10: 56
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              you frankly declare that all this was done by hated colonialists, often to the detriment of the Kazakhs


              A direct quote to my statement about the hated colonizers. Otherwise, you are a liar (which I never doubted). And yes. Colonization is the usual naming of the process of settlement by Russians of Central Asia. Used in pre-revolutionary literature by the Russians themselves
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2018 13: 41
                +2
                Quote: Zogak
                A direct quote to my statement about the hated colonizers. Otherwise, you are a liar (which I never doubted).

                to you an overestimated opinion about your own role in history, you are not Kazakhstan, but I have already quoted NAS
          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 19: 49
            +1
            Quote: Zogak
            Yes, and the industrialization of the Republic of Ingushetia, how is it essentially different from the "construction" of civilization in Kazakhstan? Yes, nothing. Without American and German technologies, the USSR would not have survived the same World War II.

            fool justify
            1. Zogak
              Zogak 19 January 2018 10: 53
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              justify fool


              hi
              Tanks BT-2 and further T-34 are based on American Christie, Gas-AA, a lorry - Ford AA.
              Tractor TS-65. These are just some samples. And also 500 (!) Factories were built by Americans and Germans in the 1930s.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2018 12: 54
                +2
                Quote: Zogak
                Tanks BT-2 and further T-34 are based on American Christie, Gas-AA, a lorry - Ford AA.

                iiii
                with the same success it can be stated that the entire chemical industry of the West is based on the periodic table
                Quote: Zogak
                factories were built by Americans and Germans in the 1930s.

                for our money
                1. Zogak
                  Zogak 20 January 2018 11: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  iiii
                  with the same success it can be stated that the entire chemical industry of the West is based on the periodic table


                  Well, Mendeleev, in turn, would have been zero, without the education that the Germans brought to RI. Continuing to no avail. It is also futile to deny the decisive role of American technology and engineers in the industrialization of the USSR and the large role in the military industry. Without the T-34 and one and a half cars would have fought a lot?


                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  for our money


                  In Kazakhstan, industrialization was paid for by our lives.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2018 12: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Zogak
                    Continuing to no avail. It is also futile to deny the decisive role of American technology and engineers in the industrialization of the USSR and the large role in the military industry. Without the T-34 and one and a half cars would have fought a lot?

                    rare nonsense
                  2. Atilla
                    Atilla 23 January 2018 17: 22
                    0
                    Well, of course the Germans immediately saw your mathildes in their pants.
              2. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 19 January 2018 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: Zogak
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                justify fool


                hi
                Tanks BT-2 and further T-34 are based on American Christie, Gas-AA, a lorry - Ford AA.
                Tractor TS-65. These are just some samples. And also 500 (!) Factories were built by Americans and Germans in the 1930s.


                megalomania? well ... well bastard Russia could neither invent nor create ... we stole all the originals of space technology, poor America still can not restore the damage that Russian hackers did in the middle of the 20th century wassat America has always been famous for its brains ... strangers, and Russia - for squandering its talents ... which no matter how destroyed, but they will all be born!
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 17 January 2018 10: 50
        +7
        Quote: Zogak
        Why don't you demolish all the factories built by American and German engineers during the period of industrialization?

        Not built and donated for free. They made good money on that.
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: Zogak
        engineers

        and we built. then you destroy all incandescent bulbs that were invented by the Russian engineer Yablochkov
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 19: 47
        0
        Quote: Zogak
        Why do not you then demolish all the plants

        because we do not say that everything was creepy and filthy
        1. Zogak
          Zogak 19 January 2018 10: 54
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          because we do not say that everything was creepy and filthy


          We also do not say that all it was creepy and filthy
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2018 12: 56
            0
            Quote: Zogak
            We also do not say that everything was terrible and filthy

            you can rest
            especially if you read the periodicals and the NAS noted
    5. Grits
      Grits 17 January 2018 12: 01
      +1
      Ukrainians showed the right path ...
  7. Rostislav
    Rostislav 17 January 2018 08: 08
    0
    Strange situation. He said "a" (switching to Latin - deepening the gap with Russia), but then he began to slow down. After 1917, after all, the Latin was already used, what was the old experience badly? And she will not be able to turn, "b" will be forced to say.
    1. igordok
      igordok 17 January 2018 09: 52
      +1
      In the republics of Central Asia, in the 20-30 of the last century, the alphabet "Yanalif" based on the Latin alphabet was distributed. But after 1938. sunk into oblivion.
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 17 January 2018 08: 10
    15
    Unfortunately, the Kazakhs embarked on the path of Ukrainians. They do not need Russia and Russians. That’s the whole story.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 January 2018 08: 21
      +6
      Well, the diferambs are sung from behind the hill and the most, the very invitations are sent .... in short, the mousetrap is ready and the cheese is “fragrant” in it!
      The mouse has to take another step and put its face in .....
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 17 January 2018 08: 25
      16
      Yes bullshit all this, and the idea itself, and its justification. That's all you can say, but the "refusal of the Cyrillic alphabet" gives NOTHING to Kazakhstan. I would understand if the "evil Russians" in ancient times "destroyed the diligent Kazakh traditions" letters, but no, well, the Kazakhs did not have their alphabet. If in the USSR they decided by a strong-willed decision and agreed to expenses, it means they saw the point, but now now WHAT to change back and forth? What does it mean to "reduce dependence on Russia," what do we deliver letters to them through the pipeline, and they spend it? No, of course, maybe we have a “patent for the alphabet” and we demand loot from them - no, maybe they have the alphabet “which more fully and deeper reveals the beauty of the Kazakh language” - so that’s the kind of nonsense they have from the Latin alphabet, and of course, of course ” Im happy "from the Turkish alphabet fool
      They want to "move away from Russia" well, let them start with the ban on the Russian language (this is at least somehow understandable) but why the hell is such a dreary story with replacing the alphabet, because not only is this a huge loot (they have nothing to do?), but also a rare problem with the translation of ALL state documentation, normative documents, standards, etc. belay crying . Of course, the one who will do this will raise a bunch of dough, but couldn’t it be so painful to steal the dough?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 January 2018 09: 01
        +4
        The last line is probably the most correct!
        All these cracks at the expense of the next self-determination, self-identification and other, other at the babosiki in its purest form. The cheese is fragrant and whose nose is turned exactly in his direction! And for everything else, they do not care!
      2. Atilla
        Atilla 23 January 2018 17: 29
        0
        Asians with logic are really bad. It always has been. They bought everything for them and thought for everyone. Now they need to re-restore this very gene pool, otherwise a pipe.
    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 17 January 2018 09: 07
      +4
      Quote: tchoni
      They do not need Russia and Russians

      This is the lot of all peoples, who have not shown themselves by anything, but with huge ambitions. Without the Russians, both of them are just nobody. Let them invent any alphabet, they will still remain Kazakhs.
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 17 January 2018 08: 22
    +5
    Clinic ... Start the transition to the Latin alphabet with apostrophes-digraphs-trigraphs, then dig over the 10 years, make sure that it "works", start the transition to the Turkish alphabet, 20 years back again and finally roll back the system to Cyrillic. I think the year that way to 2100 managed.
  10. askort154
    askort154 17 January 2018 08: 23
    +3
    Nazarbayev was received by Trump yesterday. For all 26 years (Nazarbayev’s reign), the US is a friend of Kazakhstan, Nazarbayev said. We have introduced a visa-free regime for US citizens; now we are counting on reciprocity. I am the first president from "our region" to have officially visited the United States. . The relationship between Russia and the United States is at zero, Nazarbayev said. As a result of the trip, signed joint contracts for 7,5 mln.dol. (from media reviews). This is our "best friend". yes
    1. keeper03
      keeper03 17 January 2018 09: 26
      0
      Old du.ak, I went to bow myself !!! Sold to bandigans Americans! fool
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 10: 20
        +1
        Old du.ak, I went to bow myself !!!

        and where should he go if 40% of the Fund for Future Generations in the states is stuck? if you want to, you want to go bow.
    2. novel66
      novel66 17 January 2018 09: 43
      +8
      Nazarbayev was adopted by Trump yesterday .... for the Chinese lol
  11. demo
    demo 17 January 2018 08: 31
    +7
    In May 2017, the Kazakh president announced the translation of the Kazakh language into the Latin alphabet. He motivated this decision by the desire to “fulfill the dreams of ancestors” and at the same time “give young generations a path to the future”.

    Nursultan so freely interprets the concept of "ancestral dream" and knows about the path that the young generation should take in the future, which is already enviable.
    I’m not like him in age, but not a few have lived as well. But it’s very difficult for me to understand which way to choose the young generation.
    There are no passing values.
    Good education, favorite job, decent salary.
    Family Children.
    Calm situation in the country.
    The absence of crises in the economy.
    Well, another three or four additional bonuses.
    And what will change if you go to the Latin alphabet?
    How much does the world depend on Kazakhstan itself?

    But if the transition is made, then much of the Kazakhs will change.
    It will change that they begin to move away from both Russia and the Russians.
    After all, the common language of communication will disappear.
    And the day is not far off when the Kazakhs will tell us that the Russians only brought grief to them.
    And it was already before?
    And how much have we lost due to the fact that some bai wanted to reign in his village independently?
    1. Zogak
      Zogak 17 January 2018 10: 31
      +3
      Quote: demo
      After all, the common language of communication will disappear.


      Those. Was Kazakh in Cyrillic a common language of communication between Kazakhs and Russians?
      1. romb
        romb 17 January 2018 10: 35
        +2
        Ask some uncomfortable questions wink
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 20: 03
      +1
      Quote: demo
      And the day is not far off when the Kazakhs will tell us that the Russians brought only grief to them

      already
      We even had no roads inside the country. And now you saw which railway was launched? And before this was not, because we were a colony
      N. Nazarbayev
  12. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 17 January 2018 08: 38
    +4
    Quote: Mig-31
    I wrote many times here, and once again I will write "then ... ha."

    Por ... ha, not por ... ha, and everyone will have to obey. Including Russian speakers and Russians living in Kazakhstan. I’ll go there this summer to the graves of my ancestors. I'll see who breathes what? One thing I know, quietly to live, and to arrange good neighborly relations between ordinary peoples, none of the politicians will give us.
  13. Old26
    Old26 17 January 2018 08: 47
    +7
    The neighboring experience seems to teach nothing. The Uzbeks switched to Latin, so now it’s sometimes funny to read their signs (there were examples on the network), but this is not the main thing. Now scientists are already howling. such a treasury as the famous Navoi library with almost seven million items was not needed by anyone. The new generation does not know how to use the Cyrillic alphabet.
    In general, it is useful to use the experience of a neighbor.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 January 2018 09: 07
      12
      Everything is logical ... everything that binds us is crushed - language, history. economy and other, other!
      For a long time we will hiccup a betrayal by the god of the labeled and drunks!
      These goats need not build monuments and centers, but shameful pillars to establish with a list of what they have done!
      And to shorten all sorts of mares and other liars for every lie about our great homeland and blasphemy against our great people, who despise and hate these freaks!
  14. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 17 January 2018 08: 51
    +2
    I propose the letter F instead of the apostrophe wink
  15. HAM
    HAM 17 January 2018 08: 55
    +2
    I was always interested in the problem technical terms in Ukrainian, Kazakh and other languages ​​that do not have their own definitions, what do they look like, how do they get out? Probably, there are a lot of "remodels"?
    1. romb
      romb 17 January 2018 09: 18
      +1
      And what's so complicated. It is simply unnecessary to deal with an incomprehensible gag. Then everything will slowly come to a certain generally accepted denominator. If anything, the Russian language itself has a huge amount of borrowing words from other languages. Much more than the same Kazakh. So, a certain path has long been beaten. Therefore, in these speculations, there are more far-fetched difficulties than practical problems.
    2. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 11: 11
      +2
      I've always been interested in the problem of technical terms in Ukrainian, Kazakh and other languages ​​that do not have their own definitions, what do they look like, how do they get out? Probably, there are a lot of “remodels”?

      this is exactly the case, and other terms are simply tailored to suit you. For example, among Kazakhs, mail sounds and "mail" is written, and the folder as a folder, well, etc.
      1. romb
        romb 17 January 2018 11: 42
        +1
        Everywhere there are borrowings. Growth has become - mail. And pappe - a folder.
        Or Bukhatur - a hero, Bai Aryn - a boyar, tenge - money, etc. This is normal. World practice.
        1. Bulrumeb
          Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 12: 07
          +1
          This is normal. World practice.

          I agree, there is nothing wrong with that. Only here are attempts to give those words that never in the Kazakh language looked like native Kazakhs do not cause anything but laughter. Why was there a “balcony" to denote with a word that means "hole" in the Kazakh language, and for example, "tablet" - "button", only those who invented it can explain
          1. Zogak
            Zogak 17 January 2018 12: 48
            +2
            Quote: Bulrumeb
            why was the “balcony” designated by the word which means “hole” in the Kazakh language, for example, “tablet” - “button”, only those who invented it can explain


            Well, for example, in English, the word button is button, which has its original meaning - a button. =) A
          2. romb
            romb 17 January 2018 12: 49
            +1
            It was so. I hope some unfortunate academics and their linguistic commissions will stop doing nonsense. Nazarbayev has recently expressed his opinion. I think now the introduction of new words and terms will go in a healthier way.
  16. pvv113
    pvv113 17 January 2018 09: 03
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Show me one such.

    It turns out there wink
  17. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 17 January 2018 09: 08
    +3
    There is an example of Az-na "sh" is ş, "h" is ç, "and" this is i.
    The keyboard is not a problem, I bought a laptop, it already had these letters on 10 Windows, the local dealer took care. The language bar is English, Russian, and Az. The English alphabet is 26 letters Russian 33 on the keyboard 7 free keys (from Russian) and you add az -sk alphabet of 32 letters. If you want, you can add and there is more space on the clave, you need a symbol, switch to another, let there be a letter in Kazakh.
    Apostrophes in the Az language are 150 words with an apostrophe, they are in the spelling dictionaries, but they are not used, and no matter how trouble. And how many words with an apostrophe are in Kazakh?
    The word shye-şie and yes there are no problems with the search engines either. All the same, the search engines are smart now, you are looking for information in the Az language, you write in English letters without using the letters described above and still the search engine finds it.
  18. romb
    romb 17 January 2018 09: 12
    +2
    Yes, you are not noose. Kazakhstan will go to the Latin alphabet, with or without your nagging. The only thing that slows down this process somewhat is the question of choosing the most convenient form. Kazakhs, almost everyone with whom I had to speak on this subject, at least approve of the prospect of changing the alphabet.
    I would be more worried about the problem of a rapid drop in literacy among millions of Russian users of the global network. Degradation is evident. This is really a problem.
  19. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 17 January 2018 09: 14
    +6
    I respected and respect this man, but with the ABC he did a very big stupid thing that will strongly come to Kazakhstan. There is a Russian proverb: “break not build” now they are relevant for them. It is a pity, wisdom refused to NURSULTAN ABISHEVICH!
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 10: 15
      0
      Respected and respect this man

      Do you seem to respect him from press reports?
  20. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 17 January 2018 09: 16
    +6
    In the neighborhood with the Kazakhs, only Uzbeks and Turkmens use the Latin alphabet, that is, less than 20% of the length of the borders of neighboring states. The Latin alphabet is flawed relative to the Cyrillic alphabet and greatly reduces the possibility of speech development. Very strange initiatives of Nazarbayev.
  21. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 17 January 2018 09: 48
    +4
    Take the example of my native language, Lezgi, one of the difficult laryngeal languages ​​where even sounds make sense.
    36 letters in the reduced version of the Soviet era, and only consonants more than 40 letters. But even so, a kind of pornography was preserved
    for example, the letter x is xx and is xx, try to pronounce these letters correctly, and remember in which word which letter. I know, it helped me that I was taught since childhood, and I pulled the grammar myself, I will say it’s very difficult, it took only years that it helped I knew the pronunciation of words.
    Or c, qi, h, hi, ti, pI, the Cyrillic alphabet is simply not able to convey all the letters and sounds of the language, but the Latin alphabet is also not able to. The language has retained its historical primitiveness even though it was cut and adjusted to Soviet realities . I’m glad that he saved it, because this is a proof of the antiquity of the language during the time it is coming, the expansion of other languages ​​is important. There used to be Arabic script, then Latin later Cyrillic and not one can not fully convey. For example, we have the letter "yi "in Cyrillic" y "in Latin in this case is preferable to Latin. But we take another letter" k "and in Latin" qh ^ q "(the letter in Lezgi is already a word in Latin) Cyrillic is preferable here.
    But both alphabets simply cannot convey what is needed.
    Why am I doing this? before writing about politics, the traitors of the Kazakhs, and so on. Think about how comfortable it will be for them, let them contrast the pros and cons and decide for themselves. For the fate of future generations, the level of their education is decided. If the transition is easier for children to be given a language, without let pornography, if not then not.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 17 January 2018 10: 39
      +7
      Quote: Lek38
      before writing about politics

      But because this is politics. And all this talk of convenience, it's all noodles on the ears.
      1. romb
        romb 17 January 2018 10: 49
        +1
        Do you speak Kazakh to say so peremptorily?
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 17 January 2018 10: 52
        0
        I wrote about this below.
  22. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 10: 12
    +1
    The translation of the Kazakh language into Latin, initiated by Nursultan Nazarbayev, about which much the world press wrote, suddenly faced an insurmountable obstacle. This obstacle gave rise to ... Nazarbayev himself!

    Well, still, the situation is completely familiar, we will do it first, and then begin to think.
  23. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 17 January 2018 10: 17
    +1
    I voiced the practical side of the issue by the example of my language because I don’t know Kazakh, I can’t say what is better for them. But apart from my native Lezgi, I know Az, Turkish and Russian. For the example of Az-tse, I will say Latin for them from the practical side.
    But for my people, Cyrillic is preferable, although again it does not transmit everything that is needed, and practically including.
    But after comparing all the pros and cons, I would like to save the Cyrillic alphabet in Lezgi.
    Because besides the practical question, there is a political one. It is easier for Lezgins to assimilate among the Az-tes than among the Russians. For with one faith there is a similar mentality and so on, and with Russians it is different. Therefore, strategically I am for the Cyrillic alphabet.
    Kazakhs need to think and choose a policy vector, going to Latin, their future generations will draw information from a Turkish-speaking, English-speaking Internet and will often meet with Turkish than Russian resources. Plus, let them decide for them or minus. But from the practical side, I think it's better to switch in Latin.
    But apart from the political and practical side of the issue, there is a third side.
    This is “information” knowing the Cyrillic alphabet your children get access to a rich Russian-speaking Internet, and knowing Latin to the English-speaking one which is richer in terms of information. As long as the Kazakhs do not have the proper level of information on their Kazakh-speaking Internet, I’m sure of that. But if you’re going to study English at the proper level in schools, then go, and if the emphasis on the Russian language is not worth going over, just simply make life difficult for students for nothing. Something like this is a personal opinion
    1. Mih1974
      Mih1974 18 January 2018 01: 06
      +2
      Your words on the availability of the Internet sectors, depending on the alphabet used - the limit of moronity negative . To study a foreign language, and not a foreign-language, Internet sector, you need to Know the language !! fool Therefore, there will be Cyrillic, Latin, or even Farsi in Kazakhstan in order to "suck" information from the United States or France, you need to know from the languages ​​well, or the world language of the review is English. So the introduction of the Latin alphabet - NEVER affects the availability of foreign Internet resources. Still in doubt - see China, with all the filters and the creation of the "internal Internet", China "sucks" more than anyone else and at the same time does not have the slightest hint of Latin tongue
      Therefore, we return to the above written a lot - this saw cut the dough for the political mock "departure from Russia."
  24. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 17 January 2018 10: 31
    +1
    It is clear that Kazakhstan itself should choose the alphabet, but how much is the dream of the ancestors here (given that Kazakhstan used the Latin alphabet for a rather short time) and give young people a way into the future?
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 17 January 2018 11: 14
      0
      but how much is the dream of ancestors

      and because ancestors are intertwined, for the Asian peoples, a reference to ancestors is a very significant argument.
  25. thinker
    thinker 17 January 2018 10: 39
    +4
    Quote: pvv113
    And how do people feel about changing the alphabet? Indeed, more than one generation has grown in the Cyrillic alphabet

    Here in detail

    http://today.kz/news/kazahstan/2017-04-28/741278-
    pochti-polovina-kazahstantsev-ne-vladeyut-latinit
    sej-opros /
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 January 2018 10: 44
      +7
      As always, the people are much wiser than their rulers, and as always, the rulers do not give a damn about it!
    2. romb
      romb 17 January 2018 10: 55
      +1
      It is generally not even worth taking seriously. Almost all opponents of Latinization either do not speak Kazakh or Russian IPs at all.
      It is necessary to ask on Kazakh-speaking sites.
      And even better: let people come to certain points, and officially, indicating their passport data, express their position on this issue.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 January 2018 11: 02
        +5
        Well, yes, if not your way, everything is wrong right away, green men and Russian hackers !!!!
        If there is no water in the tap !!! - at Russian hackers drank from a hangover ???
        In short, it is understandable, enta nonsense can not listen.
        1. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 11: 30
          +1
          What kind of hackers are there? Come in and write. And if there are several of them, there are several intellectually gifted ones, then, in general, raids can be arranged.
      2. Dormidont
        Dormidont 17 January 2018 11: 11
        +1
        Need less to ask in the Anglo-Saxon forums
        1. romb
          romb 17 January 2018 11: 28
          +1
          Maybe. But in Russian it’s also not worth it. Is that right? wink
      3. Redfox3k
        Redfox3k 18 January 2018 10: 30
        0
        You understand what’s the matter, for example, I’m deeply fond of what is happening in Canada, even though Chinese characters are introduced instead of Latin letters, let France switch to Arabic writing, nothing connects me with these countries. But with regard to Kazakhstan, then my close relatives all come from, and partly lives there. He himself often visited Alma-Ata and Ust-Kamenogorsk. Therefore, the attitude to everything globally happening there is not indifferent.
  26. Shuttle
    Shuttle 17 January 2018 11: 06
    0
    I do not understand why Kazakhs change the alphabet? Well, call him a Kazakh girl or something else. After all, there are unique symbols in it. Why borrow something? Well, write your own letters. Inform them small-they will hire Kazakhs for implementation. Brad some with these transitions back and forth.
    It turns out the Turks, too, sausage with their Yanalif. The trouble is straight some. Irrational.
  27. Dormidont
    Dormidont 17 January 2018 11: 10
    +5
    That's what the life-saving dough arrest does!
  28. Overlock
    Overlock 17 January 2018 11: 20
    0
    got old. tired, time to rest
  29. master35
    master35 17 January 2018 16: 49
    +3
    Quote: Yuyuka
    Quote: 32363
    Quote: pvv113
    After the collapse of the USSR, I considered Nazarbayev the most appropriate of all the leaders of the post-Soviet republics.

    yeah, they beat the Russians with the Germans and now they are cheating, from all the factories of the USSR period warehouses and bazaars have been made.


    judging by the HOW it was all done in the 90s - the scenario is the same ... I looked at the factory in Chimkent (now Shymkent) on a satellite map, which was wound on business trips ... destroyed shops without roofs ... Only then I understood with what rink the "war without shots" in the USSR took place - without hordes of invaders ... In the Second World War a part of the European territory of the country was destroyed, the rest, on the contrary, received the resources of people and factories. And here the whole country was in ruin and the restoration of the end is not visible ...

    In order to have the opportunity to see the end of recovery, you need to start this very recovery. And while we continue to destroy not only production, but also language, culture, medicine, education and further on the list.
  30. A.
    A. 17 January 2018 19: 05
    0
    Quote: Yuyuka
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Victor N
    Kazakh culture does not produce any masterpieces - rummage in your memory.

    except for Abai, nothing comes to mind request


    I don’t know how now ... in the 90s I often went there on business trips. There were such brains in enterprises! The result of the evacuation of many factories in the Second World War. And not only in Kazakhstan - throughout Central Asia, although to a lesser extent. Then there was virgin land ... Also large infusions of both people and resources. Baikonur - from the same series ... Here it is the "imperial" policy of Moscow. So ... During the time of perestroika, there was a manic idea to put Kazakhs in posts in Kazakhstan, and without any reason - it’s just necessary. The head of the plant’s department (by the way, Korean people exported machine tools all over the world - I complained to me: “Where do I get so many Kazakh specialists ?? They’ve completely crazy!” The main brains in all the republics were Russians in the broad sense of this the words.

    And also the Germans. My friend and my family left Alma-Ata for Germany, eight people at once. In 1992. And we are on Baikal.
  31. A.
    A. 17 January 2018 19: 46
    0
    Quote: romb
    Maybe. But in Russian it’s also not worth it. Is that right? wink

    What kind of skin is the sale got, with a fig leaf and in Latin.
  32. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 17 January 2018 20: 48
    +1
    Greek letter can also be used: it seems not quite Latin, but not that Cyrillic ...
    Reminds a joke:
    "To resolve the contradictions between Scripture and the theory of evolution, a compromise formulation was adopted:" Man came from a monkey, which God created in his own image and likeness. "
  33. Varna
    Varna 17 January 2018 22: 49
    0
    It’s not interesting to discuss it without Kazakhs ... Where is Semurg, where is Eneke, where is the rest of the fraternity?
  34. Zogak
    Zogak 18 January 2018 11: 15
    0
    LSA57,
    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Zogak
    Sold to the Uzbeks.

    yes it is worse than slavery, to trade people


    The Russians did the same. And by the way, they bought slaves from the Kazakhs. Mostly non-Muslims.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 18 January 2018 15: 56
      0
      Quote: Zogak
      And by the way, they bought slaves from the Kazakhs. Mostly non-Muslims.

      when is this ?!
      1. Zogak
        Zogak 18 January 2018 19: 46
        +1
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        when is this ?!


        18 century
  35. 1 Navigator
    1 Navigator 18 January 2018 12: 29
    +1
    Insanity grows stronger.
  36. 1536
    1536 18 January 2018 13: 01
    0
    It is famously to arrest 22 billion USD belonging to unfortunate indigenous people, and then give out a little bit for the purchase of blankets in the cold and for transferring from the local lettering to the Latin base. The American administration began to act in a cowboy way, one might even say in a conquistador style, not like the previous one, which only knew the stick and the carrot, and such intelligence guarded and annoyed some people in the world.
  37. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 18 January 2018 14: 12
    0
    Allah to the Kazakhs to help, in 100 years, they, together with the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks and Tajiks, will switch to Chinese characters
  38. Yulai Salavatovich
    Yulai Salavatovich 18 January 2018 15: 42
    0
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Ushly_bashkort
    And then that dried up

    Muscovites drank!

    No. Just the fishermen anchored the plug from the drain plum.

    If there is no water in the tap
    then drank water w @ dy
  39. Zogak
    Zogak 19 January 2018 10: 58
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    let's not invent, a descendant of Genghis Khan


    Read, ignoramus, from page 97. Specifically, I have nothing to do with CH. My ancestors are from the Middle East and Iran.

    https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=BTUEAAAAY
    AAJ & printsec = frontcover & output = reader &
    ; hl = ru & pg = GBS.PA134
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2018 13: 02
      +1
      Quote: Zogak
      My ancestors are from the Middle East and Iran.

      and judging by the upbringing from a very remote province
      Quote: Zogak
      https://play.google.com/books/reader?id=BTUEAAAAY
      AAJ & printsec = frontcover & output = reader &
      ;
      ; hl = ru & pg = GBS.PA134

      what?
      where is slavery here?
      or the main thing is to spoil the air? !!!!
      1. Zogak
        Zogak 20 January 2018 11: 29
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        and judging by the upbringing from a very remote province


        A rough conversation only with those whom I despise, and I speak the language that is available to you. With normal people - no one complained.


        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        what?
        where is slavery here?
        or the main thing is to spoil the air? !!!!


        Can you read? Starting on page 97, the story “Slavery in Siberia” begins, which describes the slave trade that flourished in Russian Siberia, the purchase of slaves, and the capture of foreigners by Russians in slavery.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2018 12: 43
          +1
          Quote: Zogak
          "Slavery in Siberia"

          this miracle was prohibited by law,
          1. Zogak
            Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 22
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            this miracle was prohibited by law,


            Google "Legal slavery in Siberia".
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 08: 47
              0
              laws of RI look and do not make a fool of yourself
              1. Zogak
                Zogak 1 February 2018 16: 58
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                laws of RI look and do not make a fool of yourself


                Read General Terentyev

                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 17: 13
                  +1
                  sickened, once again for the gifted, slavery was prohibited by law
                  1. Zogak
                    Zogak 1 February 2018 17: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    sickened, once again for the gifted, slavery was prohibited by law


                    But they put the law with the device. Read again "Slavery in Siberia" Shashkova. It is well described there.
                  2. Zogak
                    Zogak 1 February 2018 17: 28
                    0
                    Just about the purchase of slaves and the law governing slavery



                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 19: 44
                      0
                      I’m just wondering, especially for an idiot, mowing ?!
                      where about slavery?
                      1. Zogak
                        Zogak 1 February 2018 19: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        I’m just wondering, especially for an idiot, mowing ?!
                        where about slavery?


                        I’m just wondering, did you read the article to which you gave the link, or mow it under the fool? Yes, or at least the second paragraph of the second screen.

                        Or here the article is called "Legal slaveryin Siberia and the Orenburg region "

                        https://cyberleninka.ru/article/v/legalnoe-rabstv
                        ov-sibiri-i-orenburgskom-krae-v-xviii-pervoy-pol
                        ovine-xix-v
                      2. Zogak
                        Zogak 1 February 2018 20: 03
                        0
                        Maltsev Ilya Aleksandrovich "Legal slavery in Siberia and the Orenburg region"

                        Bulletin of St. Petersburg University. Series 2. History





  40. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 19 January 2018 15: 15
    +1
    Zogak,
    Quote: Zogak
    Zogak Yesterday, 18:44 ↑
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    oppa
    that is, have you come ?!
    that is, not original, that is, Russians in Kazakhstan are the same founders of the country as Kazakhs? !!!
    Yes, but 500 years earlier than the Russian colonialists
    Reply Quote Complaint

    that is, all one colonizers and not radical
    1. Zogak
      Zogak 20 January 2018 11: 30
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      that is, all one colonizers and not radical


      Indigenous - Neanderthals. I don’t know, it’s quite possible that the Russian Natsiks came precisely from them.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 20 January 2018 12: 43
        +1
        go through the forest, you can communicate with people like that only through the scope of the machine, which is what you’ll wait
        1. Zogak
          Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 22
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          go through the forest, you can communicate with people like that only through the scope of the machine, which is what you’ll wait


          Went, Basilisk.
        2. Zogak
          Zogak 31 January 2018 22: 35
          0
          Yes, and kindly provide my insults to the Russian people. Not in your address and not in the address of the Russian Natsik.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 1 February 2018 08: 51
            0
            Well, yes, well, yes, do not make yourself up again
            and you consider the descendants of Russian slaves that they hate Kazakhs, so that in the garden
            1. Zogak
              Zogak 1 February 2018 19: 50
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and you consider the descendants of Russian slaves that they hate Kazakhs, so that in the garden


              I do not consider the descendants of all Russian slaves, but only Russian Natsiks. As for the fact that they hate, you yourself said that this is not an insult, so also go to the garden. laughing
  41. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 19 January 2018 21: 22
    0
    Why break the language system due to the lack of alphabetic values ​​for transmitting the sounds of the Kazakh language when using the Cyrillic alphabet. At the same time, it turns out that all sounds of the Kazakh language cannot be expressed in Latin.
  42. wax
    wax 21 January 2018 21: 16
    0
    Our alphabet - best conveys the sounds of speech. If the Kazakhs lack some kind of sound, you can add a letter. But, in any case, 33 letters are more than 26 by 7 letters. Yes, and there was no Kazakh writing proper. As for the Internet, this does not lead the Chinese to reject hieroglyphs.
  43. camcohob
    camcohob 22 January 2018 16: 35
    0
    Viktor.12.71,
    Dostoevsky. Tolstoy, Nabokov, Turgenev, Goncharov, Sholokhov is one of the most famous. But there are people there like Moscow in Asia
  44. Vladimir Gordeev
    Vladimir Gordeev 22 January 2018 19: 41
    0
    Yes, cuneiform writing in Latin is somehow not European ... but the news for me is that contemporaries of Genghis Khan really wanted to learn the Latin language ....
  45. Horse meat
    Horse meat 25 January 2018 15: 30
    0
    I also remember writing in Latin letters before the Russian clave appeared.
    On the Russian keyboard page, I pressed the buttons with the mouse.
  46. boriz
    boriz 4 February 2018 11: 54
    0
    It is entirely possible that external pressure was exerted on the old man (recall from the same series the recent call to the carpet in the Phillington Regional Committee). Formal actions for the transition to the Latin alphabet he committed. And now, how can this transition sabotage. For example, time wins before our elections. We do not know what will follow them.
    But Nazarbayev should not be rinsed. This is a smart, competent and decent person, we just don’t know the reasons for his actions. Who will tell us the truth? In the presidential election, 5% of the population voted for him. If there were more such smart people, we would live in a completely different country.
  47. haenx
    haenx 26 August 2018 10: 34
    0
    Nazarbayev handsome, technically put up the IMF, took a loan issued a decree, and in a long box. Unfinished is our middle name. Astana is still not being built.