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US Ambassador to Kiev: Ukraine will supply weapons for free

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US Ambassador to Kiev Marie (Mary) Jovanovic said that Washington will put Ukraine lethal weapon is free. According to Ms. Jovanovic, the amount provided for the purchase of lethal weapons for Ukraine is about $ 350 million. This amount is "spelled out" in the US military budget for 2018 year. What does "free" delivery of weapons from the United States mean, many are well aware ...


The American ambassador noted that at the moment Congress did not approve the list of weapons that will be purchased for this amount for Kiev. According to Marie Yovanovic, the delivery of lethal weapons "will strengthen the security of Ukraine and allow us to do more to preserve territorial integrity." Such a statement the US ambassador in Kiev made in an interview RBC Ukraine.

US Ambassador to Kiev: Ukraine will supply weapons for free


Recall that earlier Ukraine had already received from American companies analogues of Soviet-made RPG-7 grenade launchers, as well as sniper rifles. Now we are talking about the preparation for the delivery of a party of anti-tank missile systems from the United States. Initially, it was about the Javelin ATGM, now there is information that other TOW systems can be supplied to Ukraine.

The US ambassador adds that we are now talking about the supply of lethal weapons from the US authorities, and not from private companies in a commercial manner. If so, it turns out that the US authorities openly support a new round of conflict in the Donbas.
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  1. zzdimk
    zzdimk 17 January 2018 06: 01
    +3
    Tingles with your tongue or completely blew the roof?
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 17 January 2018 06: 24
      +7
      Quote: zzdimk
      ... completely blown away?
      - Everything can be! But this decision of Washington completely unties the hands of Russia. So Donbass can be armed with us, and even worse. Here, along the way, the same Vietnam is repeated. And what weapon won there? Yes, here we are also nearby!
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 07: 01
        +4
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Here, along the way, the same Vietnam is repeated.

        probably you need to experience something new, so jewels and smoke smoke curtains. put something else
      2. helmi8
        helmi8 18 January 2018 10: 51
        0
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        But this decision of Washington completely unties the hands of Russia.

        In order to completely "free your hands", you must first officially recognize the DNI and LC ...
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 17 January 2018 07: 35
      12
      free too expensive for Ukraine.
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 17 January 2018 08: 07
        +3
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        free too expensive for Ukraine.

        This is the rare case when I absolutely agree with you.
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 17 January 2018 08: 11
      0
      This is called the tongue separate from the head trembling, and the hands are engaged in indecency,

      Quote: zzdimk
      Tingles with your tongue or completely blew the roof?
    4. Dimontius
      Dimontius 17 January 2018 09: 46
      +3
      All US politics in one character sad
  2. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 17 January 2018 06: 01
    +7
    They are doing everything in order to push their heads against Russia and Ukraine, right up to the war.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 17 January 2018 06: 23
      11
      Quote: Spartanez300
      They are doing everything in order to push their heads against Russia and Ukraine, right up to the war.

      I join your opinion. The Americans regret that Crimea could not be made overseas by the United States and, in revenge, are doing everything to foment a war between the Slavs. The more people die on either side, the easier it is to seize Slavic lands. In fact, neither Ukrainians nor Russian Americans care, the main thing is to set up a fire in a strange house.
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 17 January 2018 07: 03
        +5
        Quote: Amurets
        In fact, neither Ukrainians nor Russian Americans care,

        and who cares besides their own pockets? when they destroyed almost all the Indians, and apologized only after 2 centuries. and even then presented it as a gesture of goodwill and the victory of democracy
        1. Strips
          Strips 17 January 2018 07: 23
          0
          Quote: LSA57
          when they destroyed almost all the Indians, and apologized only after 2 centuries. and even then presented it as a gesture of goodwill and the victory of democracy



          There is a difference between "almost all the Indians destroyed" and, the Indians destroyed the disease that the Europeans brought. Most Indians died from diseases that Europeans infected them with, but they obviously did not do this on purpose.
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          3. LSA57
            LSA57 17 January 2018 07: 33
            +5
            Quote: Tiras
            Most Indians died from diseases that Europeans infected them with,

            Europeans who became Americans
            but they obviously didn’t do this on purpose.

            yeahhhhh ????? and who gave them blankets infected with typhoid fever ????
            1. Strips
              Strips 17 January 2018 08: 07
              0
              Quote: LSA57
              Europeans who became Americans


              Yes, like many peoples whose empires gained their territories by war, the seizure of new territories wink


              Quote: LSA57
              yeahhhhh ????? and who gave them blankets infected with typhoid fever ????


              And how many percent of the Indians died from this? Again, in the Russian segment of the Internet and not only, there are a lot of myths and inventions on this subject. To do this, create a separate discussion topic.

              A good review of this and other questions regarding the Indians is, for example, here http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

              In general, then the times were, to put it mildly, far from the conventions of warfare.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 17 January 2018 11: 27
                +4
                Quote: Tiras
                Again, in the Russian segment of the Internet and not only, there are a lot of myths and inventions on this subject.

                Fenimore Cooper, Frank B., and others who described how they destroyed the Indians invented everything?
                In general, then the times were, to put it mildly, far from the conventions of warfare.

                But was there a war? there was a systematic destruction of the indigenous population
              2. Antares
                Antares 17 January 2018 12: 08
                +1
                Quote: Tiras
                And how many percent of the Indians died from this?

                Syphilis should then be recognized as a means of war of the Indians against Europeans. The percentage of dead rolls over.
                Having exchanged diseases, both Indians and Europeans have long digested the "meeting"
                Oh yes .. if the white colonialist had not "exterminated" (forced out) the local natives, it is unlikely that civilization and the population of the SA would have achieved anything. We have an example of Africa, where it was not crowded out and almost completely destroyed ... that they were not noticed in a civilizational breakthrough.
                Excuse me, but progress will become humane only in the struggle.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 January 2018 06: 03
    +4
    US Ambassador to Kiev: Ukraine will supply weapons for free

    What is the difference "how much", the main thing will throw firewood into the bonfire of the Civil War.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 January 2018 07: 24
      10
      Weapons for killing put for free! But the measles and hepatitis vaccines are poorly delivered? And more for free! Where is your philanthropy, ambassador? fool
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 January 2018 08: 29
        +3
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        But the measles and hepatitis vaccines are poorly delivered? And more for free! Where is your philanthropy, ambassador? fool

        I forgot how many biological laboratories are located in Ukraine. Somewhere a map was published on the internet.
        There was an outbreak of African plague in the adjacent territories of Russia. In Ukraine itself there was an outbreak of bird flu, etc. Ukraine is becoming a testing ground for experiments on mass infection with viral infections and testing new drugs.
        I would venture to suggest that an outbreak of meningitis, listeriosis, salmonella, and tuberculosis is quite expected.
        1. Antares
          Antares 17 January 2018 12: 10
          +2
          Quote: Balu
          I would venture to suggest that an outbreak of meningitis, listeriosis, salmonella, and tuberculosis is quite expected.

          when optimizing medicine, flashes and abruptly are possible. But anyone will be to blame anyway, but not the optimizers.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 17 January 2018 12: 32
          +2
          Quote: Balu
          tuberculosis.

          social disease. and since impoverishment is increasing, and the standard of living is falling, that’s what’s going on.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 17 January 2018 20: 19
            +2
            Quote: LSA57
            Quote: Balu
            tuberculosis.

            social disease. and since impoverishment is increasing, and the standard of living is falling, that’s what’s going on.

            The system of vaccinations failed, people are almost doomed to extinction. When they wake up from their madness and throw everyone out to the same Americans with the ambassador.
      2. pvv113
        pvv113 17 January 2018 08: 34
        +2
        Where is your philanthropy, ambassador?
        [Quote] [/ quote]
        Good morning! Americans are not people who suffer from philanthropy
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 17 January 2018 08: 52
          +4
          Quote: pvv113
          suffer from philanthropy

          The question is rhetorical! And there will be no answer!
  4. Orionvit
    Orionvit 17 January 2018 06: 18
    +5
    it turns out that the US authorities openly support a new round of conflict in the Donbass
    The states have a trump card for all occasions, "all this, for the sake of supporting democracy in Ukraine, and counteracting Russia's" aggressive "policy." They will not come up with anything new or hide it. The most important thing is that you will not surprise anyone with this, the whole world has long been accustomed to such a situation and will "eat" silently. That's just all this, for the murder of Russian people.
  5. morpogr
    morpogr 17 January 2018 06: 19
    +2
    Free only cheese in a mousetrap. Amerikosy are surely looking for something tasty for themselves. And they will only put Ukraine before the fact, we have helped you now it will be ours. And the most valuable thing that remains there is the land.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 17 January 2018 06: 31
    +2
    "Free" - taking into account how much money was pumped out of ukroin, and even then they will either put junk for the same forest, for example, or something more or less normal, but they will also find what to demand as payment for arms supplies.
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 17 January 2018 06: 33
    +4
    And if somewhere in Tatjikistan, Russian specialists will teach the Taliban fighters that they would wet the striped in Afghanistan. Plus quietly deliver weapons.
    Is such an option possible?
    How does the VO community think? Shoigu is given to me, already thought.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 07: 07
      +3
      Quote: Fedorov
      And if somewhere in Tatjikistan, Russian specialists will teach Taliban fighters

      not necessarily in Tajikistan. information leakage is possible there.
      Is such an option possible?

      I won’t be surprised. live with wolves, howl like a wolf
    2. vasya.pupkin
      vasya.pupkin 17 January 2018 11: 27
      +2
      Quote: Fedorov
      And if somewhere in Tatjikistan, Russian specialists will teach the Taliban fighters that they would wet the striped in Afghanistan. Plus quietly deliver weapons.
      Is such an option possible?
      How does the VO community think? Shoigu is given to me, already thought.

      It seems to me that you are a PROVOCATOR and a “mishandled Cossack.” Your post about “our military”, I tried to skip / not draw attention to the topic /, but now I will not say anything. You want us to put an equal sign between your submissions, between terrorists and the Russian Orthodox world. "Bite-bite" -this number will not work. MODERATORS !!! Pay attention to the pan-head!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 January 2018 06: 48
    +6
    Washington will supply Ukraine with lethal weapons for free
    And the president said that for money and through private companies. So who is the chief in Washington, the president or the ambassador to the State Department? She gave the Ukrainians good news, now they will discuss and show Russian cookies for at least a week (it’s not clear why).
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 January 2018 07: 00
    +4
    Given that this weapon will shoot at Russian people, the United States must still pay extra for its "use".
    The eternal “concern” and “disappointment” in the reaction of the Russian authorities is surprising. Did someone seriously expect something else from the "partners"? .... While there is a creeping "soft" "Dropshot".
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 39
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      The eternal “concern” and “disappointment” in the reaction of the Russian authorities is surprising.

      Well, if only how to inject power.
      but what you promised in this case to begin delivering weapons to the Donbass can be silently kept silent
  10. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 17 January 2018 07: 08
    +4
    Now there should be a statement by the representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry on the free supply of weapons for LDNR, as humanitarian aid.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 40
      +1
      Quote: bratchanin3
      Now there should be a statement by the representative of the Russian Foreign Ministry on the free supply of weapons for LDNR, as humanitarian aid.

      This has already been said for a long time and they did not stop supplying it laughing
      1. bratchanin3
        bratchanin3 19 January 2018 10: 24
        0
        It’s one thing to deliver weapons to a quiet place, and another thing is to defiantly announce it publicly. Better yet, if you announce the delivery of something from the advanced EWs that the Americans do not have. Actually, for LDNR, guidance systems for counter battery fighting are needed.
  11. bald
    bald 17 January 2018 07: 27
    +1
    Well, free cheese, as we know, only in mousetraps. It’s necessary to work out in full. And it wouldn’t be bad if on the way, with this farm, something like that happened, because in fact, it is outside of any human law.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 January 2018 07: 43
      +4
      She’s an enemy, who is chosen, what else can I say.
      It’s time for polites to finish everything .... "Western partners" are they visible!
      Donbass needs to be helped and spit on everyone, while all these, as they were called - international institutions - are executors of the will of the very chosen one, who is the main enemy. And not us alone, however!
      1. bald
        bald 17 January 2018 07: 52
        +2
        I completely agree and have long had such an opinion. We must work ahead of the curve, and not wait until the thunder strikes - the loss is only because of this.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 17 January 2018 09: 23
          +4
          Thank you, we are stronger together!
          PS I got a mistake crept in - international prostitutes - it will be more accurate!
          1. bald
            bald 17 January 2018 10: 53
            +1
            Everything is normal - it does not change the essence of the matter; Russia will deal with all.
        2. vasya.pupkin
          vasya.pupkin 17 January 2018 11: 50
          +3
          Quote: bald
          I completely agree and have long had such an opinion. We must work ahead of the curve, and not wait until the thunder strikes - the loss is only because of this.

          “Advancement” had to work in the summer of the 14th. The train left. The junta was officially recognized by the Russian Federation, they trade well with it, they even deliver diesel fuel for tanks. And, looking at us, the “brothers” also supply weapons. You slept well for 4 years comfortable sofa. Continue further, and do not pull on the mask of Gapon.
  12. shinobi
    shinobi 17 January 2018 07: 37
    +1
    Well, literally on Monday, the Pentagon disowned supplies! They seem to have full northern foxes in the government, everyone chats what they want and nobody answers for anything to anyone. Well, finally Atas!
  13. Vard
    Vard 17 January 2018 07: 39
    +2
    It can immediately directly to the DNI ... What corruption to produce ...
  14. Strips
    Strips 17 January 2018 07: 40
    0
    Many who are outraged here, for some reason, are not surprised that -

    The trade turnover between Russia and Ukraine for 11 months of 2017 increased by 28,6 percent - up to 9,36 billion dollars

    The imports of Russian goods to Ukraine from January to November last year increased by almost 39 percent, in monetary terms this is 6,3 billion dollars compared to 2016. At the same time, the export of Ukrainian goods to Russia increased over the indicated period by 12 percent (up to 3,06 billion dollars).


    https://www.rg.ru/2018/01/03/tovarooborot-mezhdu-
    ukrainoj-i-rossiej-v-2017-godu-vyros-pochti-na-30
    .html


    For some reason, Russia continues to cooperate with Ukraine, trade with Ukraine, commodity circulation is growing, billions of dollars from trade in Russia and Ukraine go to the budget of Ukraine, including the military, from which Ukraine pays and buys weapons for the military, including those fighting in the Donbas .

    The United States gives weapons for 350 million, and Russia pours billions into the budget of Ukraine, giving it the opportunity to buy weapons and produce weapons for the war in the Donbass.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 08: 43
      +2
      Quote: Tiras
      For some reason, Russia continues to cooperate with Ukraine, trade with Ukraine, commodity circulation is growing, billions of dollars from trade in Russia and Ukraine go to the budget of Ukraine,

      is it we are trading at a loss ??? nothing comes to our budget? and all the money for coal goes to the budget of the outskirts? but think why the factory in Lipetsk belonging to the bucket will not be covered?
      1. Strips
        Strips 17 January 2018 09: 01
        +1
        Quote: LSA57
        is it we are trading at a loss ??? nothing comes to our budget?


        The point is not that at a loss or not, but where the money goes, and the proceeds go to the budget of Ukraine, including the defense.

        Just do not blame the United States, when Russia does almost the same thing giving Ukraine funds for the war in the Donbass.

        If Russia is such a principled one, then Putin should not have known Poroshenko, sent ambassadors, or traded. And so Russia helps the budget of Ukraine and not bad.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 17 January 2018 11: 30
          +1
          Quote: Tiras
          And so Russia helps the budget of Ukraine and not bad.

          I ask again, how does the money for the sold coal get into the income of urkaina ????
    2. Antares
      Antares 17 January 2018 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: Tiras
      For some reason, Russia continues to cooperate with Ukraine, to trade with Ukraine,

      not for some reason profitable. Russia delivered 6 billion goods, and bought 3.
  15. Professor
    Professor 17 January 2018 08: 01
    +3
    What does the "free" supply of weapons from the United States mean, many are well aware ...

    Freewithout quotes does not mean unpaid. Ukraine will not pay for these weapons, but the United States will need many small services from it. In general, this is a sovereign matter of the USA and Ukraine.
    Eat, Shura, eat, but you may not dream that I will feed you for free. For each vitamin you eat, I will need a lot of small services from you.

    The US ambassador adds that we are now talking about the supply of lethal weapons from the US authorities, and not from private companies in a commercial manner. If so, it turns out that the US authorities openly support a new round of conflict in the Donbas.

    Strange logic in the author, however. The United States is the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, if anyone forgot. request
    1. san4es
      san4es 17 January 2018 10: 49
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      ... Ukraine will not pay for these weapons, but the United States will need many small services from it. request

      ... yeah fresh organs am
    2. Antares
      Antares 17 January 2018 12: 15
      0
      Quote: Professor
      The United States is the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, if anyone forgot.

      Yes, there is a proposal to get rid of the same "guarantees" from the Russian Federation.
      In addition to the United States, the Russian Federation, there are also WB and France. However - the "support of territorial integrity" does not prevent someone from pursuing their own policies.
      Canada did not sign, but supports more actively than the same France.
      It should be understood that the United States is fundamentally in this case.
  16. Pavil144
    Pavil144 17 January 2018 08: 03
    0
    If I'm not mistaken, Ukraine supplies or supplied the Russian Federation engines for helicopters and ships, and much more for defense. So they have something to offer amers.
    1. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k 18 January 2018 10: 41
      0
      I'm afraid they have the wrong grenade system ... But seriously, they have nothing to offer, there are enough of their suppliers and they do not need competitors.
  17. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 17 January 2018 08: 11
    +5
    If you read literally, then: "we will not take money from the rope and soap from Ukraine"
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 17 January 2018 08: 21
      +1
      Quote: Alex-a832
      "we won’t take money from the rope and soap from Ukraine"

      But for transportation, please be the Ukrainians to pay everyone that you have.
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 17 January 2018 10: 49
        +3
        Rather, striped claims to the body of a suicidal, its parts (territories) are a very valuable commodity.
  18. shosha
    shosha 17 January 2018 08: 31
    +1
    Free cheese only in mousetrap
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 17 January 2018 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: shosha
      Free cheese only in mousetrap

      not tired of running this record over and over again?
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 17 January 2018 08: 34
    +2
    The US ambassador adds that we are now talking about the supply of lethal weapons from the US authorities, and not from private companies in a commercial manner. If so, it turns out that the US authorities openly support a new round of conflict in the Donbas.
    Russia will also have something to supply to private security companies to protect gas stations, shopping centers and other facilities in the territory of Donbass. And the menagerie is useful, and the carapace, and thermal imagers and equipment for anti-sniper fighting. The militias themselves will prompt.
  20. citlstar
    citlstar 17 January 2018 12: 10
    0
    Yankees strangle themselves for copper pennies, and then a free "cheese in a mousetrap"
  21. Antares
    Antares 17 January 2018 12: 20
    +1
    Earlier, Ukraine has already received analogues of Soviet-made RPG-7 grenade launchers from American companies, as well as sniper rifles

    I didn’t receive from companies, but I acquired it. Sniper and modernization RPG 7 were purchased.
    Of help, only a non-flying from the USA is provided (provision, radars, medicine, light, unarmed equipment, reconnaissance, etc.).
    Obama, the one that so many times in the porches, did not give permission to fly. Trampnash will give.
    Ukraine itself in self-sufficiency is mainly in this war. Talk about weapons for 4 years.
    If you compare with the military organization ORDILO, then Western help is so .. for a look.
  22. Kerensky
    Kerensky 17 January 2018 12: 55
    0
    These statements are for consumption in Ukraine. If we would like to deliver it, we would ship it before dinner. Or the local warrant officer lost the keys to the warehouse?
  23. koshmarik
    koshmarik 17 January 2018 13: 46
    +1
    Who would doubt that? By the way, the US ambassador to Russia throws out such pretzels, it is necessary to drive him, or to limit his movement - a walk along the perimeter of his embassy and no contacts with the Russians.
  24. Prisoner
    Prisoner 17 January 2018 15: 45
    +1
    Usually you have to pay the most for free. Especially when it is a “gift” of star-mattresses.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 January 2018 15: 57
      +2
      And who did it stop? At least once, but so what, specifically, on the brakes?
  25. Topotun
    Topotun 17 January 2018 17: 02
    +3
    Here is the joy of the rear of the APU! Freebie - I don’t want to push .... And for nothing! There is a high probability that weapons will not reach the APU. Will leave directly from the port .... Into the fog ...
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 17 January 2018 18: 16
      +2
      Quote: Topotun
      Here is the joy of the rear of the APU! Freebie - I don’t want to push .... And for nothing! There is a high probability that weapons will not reach the APU. Will leave directly from the port .... Into the fog ...

      Rather, to Syria or Africa.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 January 2018 20: 16
        +1
        And grenade launchers, amer’s, are they really that good?
      2. Metallurg_2
        Metallurg_2 17 January 2018 21: 05
        +1
        And then it will pop up in "Voentorg")))
  26. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 17 January 2018 21: 04
    +1
    When did the States deliver something to someone for free?
    For every dollar invested, the state hucksters are trying to pick up a dollar twenty cents, no less.
    What else can Outskirts pay for there? The earth? What next? All? Only in kind!
  27. Baloo
    Baloo 17 January 2018 21: 16
    +1
    Quote: Metallurg_2
    What else can Outskirts pay for there? The earth? What next? All? Only in kind

    Half of the arable land already under Monsanta is grown by GMOs. As a result of pollination ...
    Cannon fat, a springboard for the war with Russia, Ukrainians themselves chose such a fate for extinction. How many of them wander around the world on earnings, how many in Russia. And in the Kiev organized crime group from morning till night they scream about the war with Russia, a favorite topic, a light in the window, a national dream.
  28. lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 January 2018 16: 55
    +2
    said that Washington will supply Ukraine lethal weapons for free


    and what is surprising? .Washington has been supplying weapons to terrorists in Syria for a long time and, more recently, ready-made kits for assembling drones.
    Moreover, now that Russia has destroyed many years of work and spent finances in Syria, damaging US hegemony.
    Therefore, I’m sure that they will deliver the weapons and put them in the near future and then under the Olympics, the Ukrobanderovites in the last battle to capture the DNI and LC.
  29. lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 January 2018 17: 18
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    The United States is the guarantor of the territorial integrity of Ukraine, if anyone forgot.


    Yes, we remember how Donald Cook provided this guarantee by describing the eight in the Black Sea fleeing from the coast of Crimea.
    In 2014, this was the most important evidence that the United States will not fight for Ukraine against Russia, but the Ukrobandera will necessarily die for US interests.

    In general, this is a sovereign matter of the USA and Ukraine.


    if Israel would observe this by its own example, it’s constantly delivering missile and bomb attacks on the territory of Syria. And the main Jew constantly visits Putin and asks not to supply the Syrian authorities with modern weapons.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 18 January 2018 19: 34
      +1
      Did the Yankees promise a tie-eater? Ali I heard ... echo, reflection faq from something!