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For a military solution to the conflict in the Donbass were 17% of Ukrainians

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The idea of ​​establishing peace in the Donbas is supported by 17% of Ukrainians by force, while almost half believe that peace should be compromised, follows from a study by the Ilk Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Foundation, conducted jointly with the sociological service of the Razumkov Center.


Answering the question whether it is necessary to make compromises with Russia, the DNI and the LC, to establish peace in the Donbas, 18,1% of respondents said that peace must be restored at any cost and agree to any compromises, Interfax reports.

For a military solution to the conflict in the Donbass were 17% of Ukrainians


At the same time, 17,1% of respondents said that peace in Donbass can be established only when one of the parties to the conflict wins by force.

At the same time, 49% of respondents believe that for the peace in the east of Ukraine it is necessary to make compromises, but not at all.

None of the compromises was supported by the majority of the population of Ukraine. The most unacceptable were proposals for holding local elections on the terms of the DPR and the LPR (63% of respondents consider such a compromise unacceptable, and only 12% acceptable), as well as full amnesty for all combatants from the self-proclaimed republics (58% against and 16% for ). In addition, only 20% of respondents are ready to maintain special political and economic relations in the territories of the LC and the DPR with 49% opponents of this measure.

A case study was conducted from 15 to 19 December 2017 among 2004 adult respondents in all regions of Ukraine. The error does not exceed 2,3%.

Recall, according to a survey conducted last summer, for the sake of peace in the east of Ukraine, 70% of the country's inhabitants were ready to make compromises, and 18% agreed to peace at any price.
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  1. Shura Perm
    Shura Perm 16 January 2018 13: 31
    26
    these 17 percent should be sent to the front line ... war is not for you to watch TV on the couch ...
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    2. volodya
      volodya 16 January 2018 13: 37
      +3
      Quote: Shura Perm
      these 17 percent should be sent to the front line ... war is not for you to watch TV on the couch ...

      I agree, let them try it themselves!
      1. The black
        The black 16 January 2018 13: 50
        13
        "17% of the population agree with the power scenario in the Donbass." Fine! Summons to the draft board to write them urgently!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 16 January 2018 14: 09
          12
          A sociological study was conducted from December 15 to December 19, 2017 among 2004 adult respondents in all regions of Ukraine.

          Ghouls interrogated the same ghouls. negative
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty 16 January 2018 14: 31
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Ghouls interrogated the same ghouls

            If at all they interviewed, but rather drew numbers looking from the window of the presidential administration.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 16 January 2018 14: 35
              +5
              It could very well be - quite in the spirit of myzdobulov. I want to ask you how the local one: what kind of
              Ilk Kucheriv Foundation for Democratic Initiatives, conducted in conjunction with the sociological service of the Razumkov Center

              Something like Blewada Center?
              1. Going
                Going 16 January 2018 14: 47
                15
                Let them explore what they want and how they want, the answer will be one:

                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 16 January 2018 14: 51
                  +4
                  good Short and to the point!
                  1. assa67
                    assa67 16 January 2018 21: 01
                    +6
                    not that word "in essence"! ......... 17 percent of Natsiks, and those already atovtsy spread rot
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 16 January 2018 21: 02
                      +3
                      So after all, for what they fought, it flew over the head. wink
                      1. assa67
                        assa67 16 January 2018 21: 35
                        +5
                        it’s from their Banderlog epic already: “... we’re pyrzyk shakers, and on the priest’s hair with pliers of dergaly” ....... or more simply, the snake begins to devour its tail
                    2. Going
                      Going 16 January 2018 21: 38
                      +3
                      Quote: assa67
                      it’s from their Banderlog epic already: “... we’re pyrzyk shakers, and on the priest’s hair with pliers of dergaly” ....... or more simply, the snake begins to devour its tail


                      No matter how puffed up, the end is understandable and close.
              2. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty 16 January 2018 16: 20
                +1
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Something like Blewada Center?

                Maybe yes. Judging by the active participation of this fund in all kinds of European structures - those are still people with "lowered social responsibility."
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 16 January 2018 19: 32
                  +4
                  Actually, as I expected. So the price is voiced by the numbers announced. Thank ! hi
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 16 January 2018 15: 27
          +2
          That damn it, they verbally agree and someone else's blood. And as soon as the draft begins the most svidomye turn out to be the same and the most elusive.

          But another is alarming. For the most part, mass consciousness does not agree to any compromises. For a long time they didn’t shoot apparently.
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 16 January 2018 15: 43
            +3
            Quote: alexmach
            For the most part, mass consciousness does not agree to any compromises.

            It looks like a survey on order. I do not believe that ordinary people are not tired of the war. but there aren’t so many really possessed there. people are slowly moving away from the Maydan dope. time cures
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 16 January 2018 16: 34
              +3
              I dont know. Firstly, any research is commissioned; we have no information about the correctness or falsification of the results. In this case, I would be in a hurry to talk about fake research. As for running around and tired of the war and moving away from the dope - I also strongly doubt it. I have already written here many times - I lived in Ukraine until mid-2015, everyone was waiting for when they would leave the dope and did not wait - I was tired of waiting. Judging by the Ukrainian emigrants and communication on the network, no dope has disappeared from anyone. Moreover, the situation in Ukraine has stabilized compared to 2014 - 15. Neither do you need major military operations, nor funeral processions with the bodies of the dead people transported at least a couple of times a month, or even every week through the streets. No big losses, no mass mobilization like then. Now an ordinary Ukrainian war is much less hurt than a couple of years ago. Add propaganda here. I have no reason not to trust the results of this survey.
              1. assa67
                assa67 16 January 2018 21: 07
                +5
                Quote: alexmach
                I have no reason not to trust the results of this survey.

                who does not agree, in prisons or in the European Union, the majority in the Russian Federation., the rest are intimidated .... so the poll is quite reliable ....
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 17 January 2018 00: 36
                  0
                  You won’t believe it, but according to my feelings of those dissenters, there weren’t that many. Of course, I won’t say for the whole of Ukraine, but I didn’t conduct a survey on a representative sample, but from what I hear in my hometown or from the same Kyivans or Kharkiv people are unsurprising in the minority.
                  1. Bask
                    Bask 17 January 2018 13: 27
                    +1
                    There are more dissenters than you think. But objectively speaking, people are more concerned about how to survive, what kind of apartments to buy and buy food for. I also did not conduct surveys, but among my friends there are no people who would wish people harm. This war is normal people from the very beginning was not needed. There were three categories of people — those who wanted to kill with impunity, outright marauders and those who were called up.
                    Normal people are not in a pack like this redneck. And if someone unites these "patriots", then there are no simple ones. I will say seditious and maybe a terrible thing - this war can end only with a victory of one of the parties, but the Ukrainian army with such a command is not able to defeat (Yes, and with the soldiers, I judge by the reviews of those who served in the atom). I can not judge the army of the republics, since there is no information about their capabilities.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach 17 January 2018 18: 50
                      0
                      I also did not conduct surveys, but among my friends there are no people who would wish people harm.

                      Well I say that to say definitely a more representative study is needed than just an opinion. For example, I lived in Lviv. There, every first simple housewife was ready to fight to the bitter end (by other people's hands, of course) and people who seemed to be normal in other respects wanted to show how to love Ukraine in the Donbas. No, when it really fell apart, everyone sang in unison that they had nothing against the Russians, and Putin was personally to blame, and who did not agree was either his agent or the victim of propaganda. I hear the same things from Russian-speaking acquaintances and from Kiev. These survey results do not surprise me at all.

                      The fact that the majority lives on the principle of "I will hide my hut" is understandable.

                      but the Ukrainian army with such a command is not capable of defeating (and with the soldiers, judging by the reviews of those who served in the atom)

                      So I would not be so sure of that.
                      I can not judge the army of the republics, since there is no information about their capabilities.

                      Well, as it were, actually we all came out of the same society, there are of course some mental differences between us, besides they still fight for their own houses and cities, but on the whole I don’t think that the situation there is fundamentally different.
                      1. Bask
                        Bask 17 January 2018 21: 33
                        0
                        You know the confidence about the capabilities of officers and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine add stories about how soldiers play football with grenades and the fact that many officers did not graduate from military schools, but only have a military department. Actually, officers with military experience are at least.
                        No conclusions were drawn from the defeats, only shouts-cheers-cheers-victory is ours, and it is not clear where we won.
                  2. assa67
                    assa67 17 January 2018 15: 11
                    +3
                    Alexander, you also won’t believe it, but described the reason in the comment .. plus information processing for youth over the course of 20 years .....
                    Quote: Bask
                    Normal people didn’t need this war from the very beginning. There were three categories of people — those who wanted to kill with impunity, outright marauders and those who had been called up.
        3. Antianglosax
          Antianglosax 16 January 2018 16: 13
          0
          Quote: Black
          "17% of the population agree with the power scenario in the Donbass." Fine! Summons to the draft board to write them urgently!

          Looks have not run across yet ... Let them continue, maybe the remnants of the brain will be cleared.
        4. Conductor
          Conductor 17 January 2018 13: 27
          0
          You might think they’re going, And by the way, how much supports the power option in the West of Ukraine. It would be interesting.
    3. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 16 January 2018 13: 39
      +1
      Quote: Shura Perm
      these 17 percent should be sent to the front line ...

      - Ghouls Bandera, he is numb!
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 16 January 2018 13: 44
        +2
        That would run these 17% in the trenches, maybe they would start to think soberly.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 16 January 2018 13: 47
          +9
          I join 17 percent. Now only by force can one return the Russian lands and expel evil spirits.
          Note
          17,1% of respondents spoke out for the fact that peace in the Donbass can be established only when by force one of the parties to the conflict will win.

          Ukrainians understand that the Donbass can liberate the whole of Ukraine !!! I think soon the percentage of people wishing to return the Russian world to Ukraine will increase significantly. Crimea will be an example.
          We are waiting for 98 percent !!!
          1. yehat
            yehat 16 January 2018 14: 10
            0
            the problem is that no one wants to recognize the mistake of disconnecting Ukraine from the USSR.
            and nobody wants to return stolen goods either. Therefore, it just will not return.
          2. allaykbar
            allaykbar 16 January 2018 14: 24
            +6
            Crimea will be an example.


            Mykola also wants good roads, a beautiful airport, increased pensions and a beautiful bridge in the center of Kiev (which sea diggers have not been able to finish for ten years).

            Because of this, someone will receive less in the Russian Federation. Cut from all regions a little bit.

            I hate it myself when people are worried about dough - but Ukraine is huge. And a huge amount of money must be poured there.

            I think this is what keeps me from marching to Kiev.
    4. Rusland
      Rusland 16 January 2018 13: 42
      10
      And the remaining percentages do not contribute to reconciliation, as a result, only a fifth is adequate.
      1. The black
        The black 16 January 2018 13: 54
        +1
        The constant flow of 200x and 300x from Ukraine to the ATO zone gives no illusions that a military conflict can be ended by force
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 16 January 2018 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Shura Perm
      these 17 percent should be sent to the front line ... war is not for you to watch TV on the couch ...

    6. siberalt
      siberalt 16 January 2018 14: 16
      +1
      And who interrogated that? So you can get 150% for the war, then Ukraine! lol
    7. seti
      seti 16 January 2018 14: 21
      +2
      Do you really believe in these “of polls”?
    8. Kent0001
      Kent0001 16 January 2018 16: 53
      0
      With tongue removed. This figure shows the number of really baked pan-fennel dill. These will never compromise-Bandera clean water.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 January 2018 13: 31
    0
    For a military solution to the conflict in the Donbass were 17% of Ukrainians
    I am inclined to the same opinion, already tired of the speech of Baturin and Zakharchenko. they are destroying the people quietly, day after day is life? take already Kiev ...
    1. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 16 January 2018 13: 33
      +5
      Andrei, I don’t agree, North and South Korea also made peace by war, they are still separated about 38 parallels ... just third forces will be involved in the conflict anyway, which KPI calls western partners ...
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 16 January 2018 13: 44
      +7
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      take already Kiev ...

      "Come and take ..." (also a quote).
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 16 January 2018 14: 44
        0
        "Shut your mouth" (also quote)
        1. revnagan
          revnagan 6 March 2018 14: 28
          0
          But will you bring an authoritative source of this “pearl”? No? And, this is your personal “quote”! Then we will agree in the following way: You do not advise me what to do, but I do not tell you which direction to take. You got it? Well and goodies.
  3. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 16 January 2018 13: 32
    +8
    And the fact that Donbass is not going to return to Ukraine in its current state does not bother anyone? Ukraine can consider anything, and even make any calculations, but without the consent of the Donbass, there will be no body movements.
    And the position of Donbass is clear as God's day: they are not torn to unite from the word ABSOLUTELY.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 16 January 2018 13: 39
      +4
      Quote: KOT BYUN
      but without the consent of Donbass there will be no body movements.

      and in parentheses, without the consent of the GDP. and he doesn’t make any compromise with striped, especially banderlogs. enough, we have already learned how to believe them
      1. DenZ
        DenZ 16 January 2018 14: 13
        +1
        Quote: LSA57
        and in brackets, without the consent of GDP

        And GDP (in the words of Peskov) believes that Russia respects the territorial integrity of Ukraine without the Crimea - here you can scratch your turnips for whatever it means ... that the GDP doesn’t give a damn about what the people of Donbass don’t want or a tricky game is played.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 16 January 2018 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: DenZ
          here you can scratch your turnips whatever that means ...

          that Crimea is Russia
          the fact that the GDP does not care about what the residents of Donbass do not want

          as I know, the inhabitants of Donbass do not want to live in a Bandera state. but they want federation. there is no talk about joining Donbass to the Russian Federation
  4. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 16 January 2018 13: 39
    +1
    These 17% in the trenches, let them satisfy their Wishlist))) and there will be Peace, finally ..
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 16 January 2018 13: 41
      +2
      The main thing - do not forget to rewrite the names of all ghouls
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 16 January 2018 13: 40
    +1
    Massive malignant Svidomo must be cured by therapeutic fasting
    1. Antares
      Antares 16 January 2018 21: 26
      0
      Quote: Dormidont
      therapeutic fasting

      in the know that from deteriorating conditions a person gets worse and more uncompromising and readiness for cruel events goes off scale
      The better the conditions, then the person relaxes and he does not need blood violence (except perhaps a small show, but do not give a damn with him or near him)
      I'm afraid that starvation here will cause even worse behavior. Angry hungry Ukrainians are the same evil and hungry Russians, stubborn and stubborn ...
  6. Suharik.inline
    Suharik.inline 16 January 2018 13: 41
    0
    Quote: Shura Perm
    these 17 percent should be sent to the front line ... war is not for you to watch TV on the couch ...

    And I think that these 17 percent are either stubborn or not understanding, and from the fact that on the 2nd day they are on the demarcation line they will add to the head or blow up on their mine, understanding will not come, but the fact that they are at a certain distance will be shot at and at the same time to think that they are nearing the end of the conflict, but in fact only by delaying it is a fact. And I would keep them away from the conflict zone and generally say that everything has already been settled peacefully. But this is only my opinion.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 16 January 2018 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: Suharik.inline
      And I think that these 17 percent

      this is 17% of the raguli who occupied Kuev and under what conditions they won’t go to war
  7. BLOND
    BLOND 16 January 2018 13: 44
    +7
    How is it according to the source? ...
    Ukraine created as ANTI Russia
    And (thank God) I managed to get ANTI Ukraine - Donbass!
    And everything will end when the conditions for this disappear ...
    Those. Confrontation between Russia and the FSA !!! (someone should either die or become very weak)
    My opinion is the turn for the FSA!
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 16 January 2018 14: 24
      +5
      Quote: BLOND
      My opinion is the turn for the FSA!

      good Many people share your opinion! yes
      1. Going
        Going 16 January 2018 14: 51
        +9
        Anyway, just look at this:

        1. Separ DNR
          Separ DNR 16 January 2018 15: 13
          +4
          Quote: Going
          Anyway, just look at this:

          Be that as it may, the words of the anthem of the state have a sacred meaning. Carry energy yes
        2. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 16 January 2018 16: 27
          0
          In the official anthem of Ukraine, from what is in the picture, there is only "Ukraine has not died yet" and "We will put the body soul." The rest in the official anthem was embarrassed to include.
        3. assa67
          assa67 16 January 2018 21: 17
          +5
          Victor, respect and respect! ..... shot straight at the head to the chepushilam .... and did the evening! good
          1. Going
            Going 16 January 2018 21: 40
            +3
            They themselves expose themselves, and still try to twitch. laughing
            1. assa67
              assa67 16 January 2018 22: 01
              +4
              but hurt and the meaning is diametrically opposite .........
              1. Going
                Going 16 January 2018 22: 05
                +2
                So we live in the soul, we would have to eh ... but they think about asses and money and horses try to imitate them.
                1. assa67
                  assa67 16 January 2018 22: 15
                  +3
                  it is necessary to include such words in the anthem, especially for the master:
                  fall in love with unencumbered, I will become un tender with you
                  for breasts porridge and kiltz cowboys
                  I will give myself to myself ........
        4. Antares
          Antares 16 January 2018 21: 38
          0
          Quote: Going
          Anyway, just look at this:

          wrong
          Ukraine has not yet died both glory and will (we are talking about glory and will, which did not die, not the country)
          And the rest is not even included in the anthem - this is the publication of a verse in the Lviv journal Meta (ext. Goal), 1863, No. 4 (Original text by Chubinsky)
          so everything is past.
          Not everything is alright with the American as well ...
          Amid the flames of rockets, bombs tearing air to shreds
          He stood, he proved through the night to everyone: he - our flag - is there.
          Tell what? Does the star-fire banner still still fly above us,
          The land of freedom, courage? Tell me
          ..
          Glory, victory and peace, the earth saved by heaven!
          The glory of power that created and preserved us as a nation.

          So win, do not hesitate. In memory of duty
          To the fathers. Our motto: “In God is our faith,”
          And the star banner! Let your waves cry forever
          Land of freedom, courage, live!

          However, the Russian is also a free interpretation .. The anthem is still strict performance.
          Short-subjective incorrect analysis. Yes, and the author did not listen to 2 out of 3 hymns at least.
          1. eugraphus
            eugraphus 17 January 2018 04: 48
            0
            Even the American ambassador to Ukraine could hardly endure the Ukrainian anthem with his mournfulness and burial.
    2. Antares
      Antares 16 January 2018 21: 28
      +1
      Quote: BLOND
      And (thank God) I managed to get ANTI Ukraine - Donbass!
      And everything will end when the conditions for this disappear ...

      interesting so ... 2 million hostages of such a situation ..
      Did you explain to them the great goal of AntiUkraine? And then they seem to want in the Russian Federation ..
      1. BLOND
        BLOND 21 January 2018 05: 43
        0
        Quote: Antares
        Quote: BLOND
        And (thank God) I managed to get ANTI Ukraine - Donbass!
        And everything will end when the conditions for this disappear ...

        interesting so ... 2 million hostages of such a situation ..
        Did you explain to them the great goal of AntiUkraine? And then they seem to want in the Russian Federation ..

        To begin with, they DO NOT want it, but WE want it!
        The second one. It started
        s great1 revolution11 lack1

        And the people of Donbass simply did not want this
        I have Kum in Zhytomyr ... horseradish aviator ... When he scared me with bombing, I told him
        Bandera is not my hero / And my sons will not zigzag
  8. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 16 January 2018 13: 47
    0
    17%

    Well here! And they said that Kolyma was not populated by anyone!
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 16 January 2018 14: 35
      0
      Well, that's enough for Kolyma to drive everyone in a row. To the headquarters to Dukhonin.
  9. German Titov
    German Titov 16 January 2018 13: 54
    +3
    Come to hell! In one country they lived - USSR! A friend went to the village (near Sumy). From Afghanistan 1 (200th). From Donbass in one village 16. Where do you climb? I was born and raised here. While "more or less" quiet, the "batch" will begin and the guys will take up arms again. We had "not a single wave of mobilization". Donbass in general for peace. By the way, but "shaw there in Kukevka, I call the Maidan". "Moskalyaku on gillyaka, commies on pall." It’s easier for me, “Suitcase-Station-Russia,” to leave with a suitcase and a station. But we know how to fight, the Soviet Army taught. I would like to live peacefully.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 16 January 2018 14: 04
      +7
      Quote: German Titov
      we know how to fight, the Soviet Army taught. I would like to live peacefully.

      NO YES DUT No.
      1. Going
        Going 16 January 2018 15: 03
        +3
        Good afternoon, Sergey! hi Unfortunately, you are right.
  10. yehat
    yehat 16 January 2018 14: 05
    0
    out of 17 percent (and this is a lot) who voted for the power scenario, I’m sure a third simply follow propaganda, there are no thoughts of one’s own. Part is involved in what is already happening - revenge and stuff,
    I think that in reality no more than 2-3 percent really want a power scenario, and that’s not because of “patriotic motives,” but because it’s boring, they like to fish in troubled waters, looters, sick or unemployed, or loafers in the same vein. There are almost no people who are ready to fight for the idea of ​​Ukraine as such.
    here is such a real alignment.
  11. tasha
    tasha 16 January 2018 14: 06
    0
    To my shame, I just read "The brigade commander's diaries" (author, according to unverified data, A.B. Mozgovoy). You can argue with many, but it is written strongly, I recommend reading it ..
    On the topic of the article, a quote from the "Diaries ...":
    According to the scenario worked out by the Russian media, the Russian people are fighting against “Ukrainian fascism”. According to the scenario of the Ukrainian media, Ukrainians defend the unity of their state.


    So there is nothing to be surprised at the results of the survey among Ukrainian citizens ..
  12. German Titov
    German Titov 16 January 2018 14: 17
    +3
    Quote: Separ DNR
    Quote: German Titov
    we know how to fight, the Soviet Army taught. I would like to live peacefully.

    NO YES DUT No.

    Brother is not strong and we will ask. If "revered," little will be done to no one. I am also "made in the DPR". If "revered", the coffins will be "tuda-syud" on both sides. I feel sorry for people. Many "cooks" are rolling here for money, and Donbass is our homeland, we have nowhere to retreat.
    1. Separ DNR
      Separ DNR 16 January 2018 14: 48
      +4
      Quote: German Titov
      Donbass is our Motherland, we have nowhere to retreat.

      And we will not soldier
      1. German Titov
        German Titov 16 January 2018 15: 08
        +1
        I have the honor to bow, Zema!
  13. Vita vko
    Vita vko 16 January 2018 14: 27
    0
    There is an old adage “tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are”. So with the Ilk Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Fund, its main sponsors are the Soros Foundation and even the IMF. Therefore, all these results of the study can simply be thrown into the ballot box. Why should this nonsense be published at all? In Kiev, they have no other choice - everyone has Bandera adequate editors and correspondents were either intimidated or killed, but why then?
  14. mavrus
    mavrus 16 January 2018 14: 34
    0
    Quote: Black
    "17% of the population agree with the power scenario in the Donbass." Fine! Summons to the draft board to write them urgently!

    And who conducted the survey? And which way? I remember in Italy, during the Duce, there was a referendum. Two bulletins were issued. Mussolini's pro-ballot was green-white-red, and cons-white. To not even confuse from afar. The vote was secret. A man went into the booth and threw one ballot paper into the ballot box ... But he had to hand over the second ballot when leaving the polling station, and guys from the "black shirts" were on duty at each "place of delivery" (this is something like the right sector in Ukraine). Well, and what do you think the Italians “voted” for?
  15. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 16 January 2018 14: 34
    0
    I believe in 17%. I would like a breakdown by region, especially western.
  16. Angina
    Angina 16 January 2018 14: 55
    0
    The figures in such surveys can be obtained at any time in advance in advance of the planned response vector. For four years of my work in the media, I also learned to let the fog go. Here, neither the target audience, nor the social profile of the respondents is all a mystery behind seven seals.

    On the one hand, for the world at all costs, only 18%. At the same time, against the war already 18 + 49. Those. only 2/3 - it’s great! .. But half of the respondents are not ready to do anything for the sake of peace. So like the classics: "What do you call a boat ..."
  17. Slovak
    Slovak 16 January 2018 15: 43
    0
    Here is the case when you regret that in Kiev and other cities Hurricanes and Grads do not fall, as in the DPR. There would be completely different indicators.
    1. Antares
      Antares 16 January 2018 21: 40
      0
      Quote: Slovak
      Here is the case when you regret that in Kiev and other cities Hurricanes and Grads do not fall, as in the DPR. There would be completely different indicators.

      from hits of Hurricanes and Grads in Donetsk, the percentage of "love for Ukraine" is much lower than here. Under shelling, the percentage of those voting for the war will increase dramatically.
  18. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 16 January 2018 18: 07
    +4
    The majority of Ukraine’s population is simply frightened and duped by the media, and of course the mentality of course .. “My hut is on the edge, I don’t know anything ..” and “Wanted” to paint “to live in Europe for free” .. “And Donbass is a bloody wound on the body Ukraine, which will not heal for a long time and will have to answer blood to the horses ..
    There is a lot of work to be done in the future, and most importantly, not to give freebies, let them restore everything themselves, so that they remember for 100 years who the West is and who Russia is!
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 16 January 2018 19: 53
      0
      You contradict yourself: the population is duped by the media is not able to remember anything in principle. Because the head does not work - there is nothing to remember.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 16 January 2018 20: 02
        +3
        Quote: Hlavaty
        You contradict yourself: the population is duped by the media is not able to remember anything in principle. Because the head does not work - there is nothing to remember.

        My first wife is Ukrainian, the second with Polish blood .. Something I understand! hi
        Time is needed, and then we'll figure out who jumped above everyone on the Maidan ... negative
        1. Bask
          Bask 17 January 2018 13: 45
          0
          And what do you forgive here for? Maybe we can figure it out without you? Maybe it’s enough to divide us into “for Russia”, “for Europe.” If we split up 25 years ago, let us already figure it out in our own house. People are ruining each other for no reason.
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 16 January 2018 19: 33
    0
    It would be interesting to look at the studies of the Ilk Kucheriv Democratic Initiatives Fund, by region and oblast. The situation would be clearer and how it is changing as it approaches the ATO zone. And then there are some doubts about these figures
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 16 January 2018 19: 55
      0
      These figures are taken from the ceiling. Do you want to analyze a bunch of numbers taken from the ceiling?
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 16 January 2018 20: 55
        +2
        Quote: Hlavaty
        These figures are taken from the ceiling. Do you want to analyze a bunch of numbers taken from the ceiling?

        When Kiev will be ours, then we’ll conduct an analysis .. And while the men are getting ready! soldier
        1. onix757
          onix757 16 January 2018 21: 07
          +1
          When Kiev will be ours, then we’ll conduct an analysis ..

          And the Russian Federation is waiting in Kiev? Even in the mood of the guarantor did not notice his desire to move in that direction. As in the 14th he got over, so he doesn’t want to lol And then what can the Russian Federation offer Ukraine?
          1. MIKHAN
            MIKHAN 16 January 2018 21: 32
            +3
            Quote: onix757
            When Kiev will be ours, then we’ll conduct an analysis ..

            And the Russian Federation is waiting in Kiev? Even in the mood of the guarantor did not notice his desire to move in that direction. As in the 14th he got over, so he doesn’t want to lol And then what can the Russian Federation offer Ukraine?

            Donbass can go and we will slowly follow them .. (everyday bombardment of settlements has been put up with and fighting back for a long time ..)
            But Donbass has something to “offer” to Kiev! (they have a lot of ropes in store ..) There you can already get a regiment where families and relatives died during the bombing .. These are already with the pitchfork ready to rush to the west, you know what I mean ..? soldier
            1. onix757
              onix757 16 January 2018 21: 48
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              Donbass can go and we will slowly follow them .. (everyday bombardment of settlements has been put up with and fighting back for a long time ..)

              In other words, if the Russian offshore aristocracy gives the command, will the PMCs run to take Kiev? Yes it will not be laughing Our vertical is cowardly and has something to lose. Moreover, now is not the 14th year, and you can get it in the teeth.
              But Donbass has something to “offer” to Kiev! (they have a lot of ropes in store ..)

              Of course there is something to offer. True, these proposals stick out the ears of the Kremlin. The last sentence was from the series "Let's comply with the Minsk agreement .. please"
              There you can already recruit a regiment, whose families and relatives died during the bombing .. These are already with the pitchfork ready to rush to the west, you know what I mean ..?

              Cool down)))), no one will fight for the transparent ideals of the DNI, and there is no longer a militia there.
        2. Antares
          Antares 16 January 2018 21: 45
          0
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Quote: Hlavaty
          These figures are taken from the ceiling. Do you want to analyze a bunch of numbers taken from the ceiling?

          When Kiev will be ours, then we’ll conduct an analysis .. And while the men are getting ready! soldier

          # Kyivnash ..... hmmm contradict - they also need to be fed lazy people and others (as they are called there) and refuse in every possible way.
          It was always funny when some want to take everything, others with all their paws against ..
          And so it is always in Russia (there is no definite solution) ...
          for us, this is not 2 opinions, but three or more (we are prone to anarchy and multidirectionality, the result of urbanization and history)
  20. assa67
    assa67 16 January 2018 21: 28
    +5
    Quote: Hlavaty
    These figures are taken from the ceiling. Do you want to analyze a bunch of numbers taken from the ceiling?

    but how to analyze the grief of the people? ..... not Banderlog not ....
    Quote: Going
    Let them explore what they want and how they want, the answer will be one:


    ............. The Great Kaa said: come, Banderlog .... closer, closer soldier
    1. Going
      Going 16 January 2018 21: 46
      +2
      Our people can’t be broken by anything, and the more they press on them, the stronger the answer will be.
  21. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 17 January 2018 05: 04
    0
    Surveys? - Another method of fooling people !!! Blood DNR and LC will not wash away any compromises.
  22. LeonidL
    LeonidL 17 January 2018 06: 18
    0
    To believe the polls conducted in Ukraine by the Ukrainian media is like believing the soothsayers about the arrival of aliens or the results of polls in Nazi Germany. Just like that, the majority will tell you the truth. In addition, the trick here and in which regions were polled. An example of the “accuracy” of such polls right under your nose - all polls showed Clintonsha’s inevitable victory, all the print media and almost all the channels yelled for her ... and as a result, such a shameful failure when even her three electors voted for Trump!
  23. Conductor
    Conductor 17 January 2018 13: 37
    0
    And how much from the west of Ukraine for?
  24. alexmach
    alexmach 18 January 2018 10: 02
    0
    Bask,
    I do not quite understand what of the fact that they play with grenades, and of the fact that the officers from the department? During the Second World War, officers were trained in less than a year and sent to serve at the front. These were other people and another time, but still. What is is what they use. Do you think everything is very different in the republics?

    And about the conclusions not drawn. Well, where are they not done then? Every time after each defeat, something changed. In the end, this confrontation was frozen for 2 years already. They restore equipment, saturate the troops with the same anti-tank systems. Again, regarding the motivation of the troops, and where and whom you can use, there is also a certain understanding. Since 2015, they have not carried out mass mobilization - who are they replacing the demobilized with? Tell me, and did not make a conclusion?
    1. Bask
      Bask 18 January 2018 12: 35
      +1
      The game with grenades shows the intelligence of the recruited soldiers. The officers from the department do not even know how to conduct military operations. And this is not my opinion, but the person who is currently serving in the Armed Forces. It is not correct to compare WWII officers and modern officers, if only because the technique is different. A modern artillery officer cannot have only a military department behind you. You are aware of how many pilots graduated in these four years, 70 people. And how Ukrainian aircraft fought you are in the know. I think so! The average flight of the Indian AIP commander is about 1000 hours on a combat aircraft, the Ukrainian 350.
      And where are the conclusions? The officers with the military department were recruited by mobilization, by the way, and the soldiers were not called up because people simply scored on their partial mobilization. They didn’t take subpoenas, didn’t go to the military registration and enlistment offices, and another important reason, some people went to the atom you sit in the trenches and get money at work, on average you get money. It suits some, and even with such unemployment get 3000-5000 hryvnias and is supported by the impoverished people, Laf. The military levy has not been canceled, and besides taxes they brazenly strip money , from working pensioners in double (from salaries and pensions, which are not taxed for a minute). And also about the conclusions, Volnovakha is followed by Ilovaisk and Debaltsevo. And where are the conclusions? The ATGM and so was enough (and the old truth) in bulk. The fighting was stopped by the Kremlin (which leads and sponsors the republics), and not Poroshenko, and even more so not the Ukrainian army.