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Ukraine has tested the upgraded Pechora complex

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The Ukrainian company Radioniks and Luch Design Bureau successfully launched missiles from the upgraded Pechora missile systems C-125 M, reports TASS message of the press service of "Ray".


Ukraine has tested the upgraded Pechora complex


From the modernized anti-aircraft missile system, the 5ВХNUMXД-М27 rocket was launched with an active radar homing head. In the initial part of the rocket moves along the aeroballistic trajectory, such a flight of the rocket significantly increases the far boundary of the C-2M air defense system,
says release.

It is reported that "the furthest border of the affected area with new missiles is 40 km, and the maximum height of the affected area is 25 km."



Recall, the modernization of anti-aircraft missile systems is carried out on the basis of the order of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine from 8 September 2015.

Earlier, Kiev reported on the testing of the Alder missile system. At the end of December 2017, President Petro Poroshenko congratulated Ukrainians on its successful launch. The rocket was developed by engineers Luch.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 16 January 2018 12: 00 New
    11
    By chance, after total sales of weapons, they found in some school museum - they painted and bang - the universal overpricing! laughing
    1. The black
      The black 16 January 2018 12: 03 New
      11
      "Pechora" is not patriotic as it is with the name ... it smacks of zrad laughing
      1. Going
        Going 16 January 2018 12: 06 New
        +8
        Respect the "aggressor", apparently a lot of stocks in warehouses.
        1. The black
          The black 16 January 2018 12: 08 New
          15
          By the way, in the Lviv museum reserves there are armors of Polish horsemen. if you cram Ukrainian flags in them, you can pass off as the latest development wassat..
          Believe the lads, the day is not far when Ukraine will join NATO for evil mos.kalyam. And the slender ranks of the lads, with the latest spears and bows, sparkling with chrome pots on their heads, will pass by the NATO allies in the parade, and those open their mouths with respect will applaud standing .. wassat
          1. Going
            Going 16 January 2018 12: 10 New
            10
            There is still a lot of interesting things left from the USSR, enough to boast for a long time. lol
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              1. Captain Nemo
                Captain Nemo 16 January 2018 12: 29 New
                +7
                Are you talking about 80-90 aircraft of the Russian Federation "shot down" by Saakashvili personally? Or about 6-7 shot down (according to other sources) the use of Buk air defense systems? Do you realize the difference between S-125 and Buk-M1?
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              2. Non liberoid Russian
                Non liberoid Russian 16 January 2018 12: 36 New
                +5
                Nuka more about a bunch of downed planes))) 6 pieces is a bunch?
                1. Captain smollett
                  Captain smollett 16 January 2018 12: 47 New
                  +7
                  This is KUCHA. In a fleeting war and with such an adversary, this even some a bunch ... Do you disagree? And with NATO, that would be scary to imagine ...
              3. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 16 January 2018 12: 45 New
                +2
                Well, there is no war without losses, during a desert storm, seven planes were lost on the first day, and only about thirty (I don’t remember exactly). They can bring down, but hardly protect the sky.
                1. Dr_engie
                  Dr_engie 16 January 2018 13: 03 New
                  +1
                  Well, you are the army of Georgia and Iraq under Saddam, then do not put one level (
                  But in general, they are right - over the same SFRY, their air defense did not help much.
            2. volodya
              volodya 16 January 2018 12: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: Going
              There is still a lot of interesting things left from the USSR, enough to boast for a long time. lol

              Will not help!!!
              1. Going
                Going 16 January 2018 12: 25 New
                +6
                It is they who cheer themselves up, at least I want to do something.
          2. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 16 January 2018 12: 16 New
            +6
            Behind the dilapidation of the S-300 - pulling out the Soviet legacy from the Palace of Arts, for lack of opportunities for updating and plugging holes? By the way, what's the upgrade? in painting? Or, like Belarusians, an adult?
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 16 January 2018 12: 35 New
              +4
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              By the way, what's the upgrade? in painting? Or, like Belarusians, an adult?

              Here is what I found from the Ukrainian defense industry:
              1. KVU-NSVD
                KVU-NSVD 16 January 2018 13: 25 New
                15
                Thank you hi I am not an air defense officer, I am a signalman. because more interested in the ACS video. In my unit, there was an ACS of similar target use 9C916 Vivarium. Therefore, I will express some thoughts after a quick look. 1) The breeders are at the place of settlement, so there are no regular calculations, and their preparation is not fast and if the ADF is “abstruse” and “raw” then dreary 2) Monitors look creative, but if they are not of a special design, but “civilian”, then after the first march on the primer, all this beauty will fail 3) “Tyrchik” and the ACS on one chassis are certainly convenient, but believe me, when the EA is torn for a long time and fruitfully, it’s impossible to work fruitfully and you command the driver to start the car and are powered from the chassis, use engine resource, which sooner or later leads to an "oops" with the machine, and at the most inopportune moment. Despite the presence of such a device on my Vivarium, I drove a trailer with EI to the exercises (decommissioned from an old modification) - even though cross-country ability was reduced from this. 4) It is unclear how far the antenna post can be taken from the ACS - this is a matter of principle, since this post is for missiles, as for flies ... but 5) Where is the FVUA and why is Conder a household trip - the first one is needed for marches along dirt dusty roads, and the second on these marches will probably be instantaneous and then at 50 degrees in the shade it will turn the kung into a branch of hell. Well, and finally - I really liked the emblem at the beginning of the video - well, very western and creative smile
              2. opus
                opus 17 January 2018 01: 51 New
                +2
                Quote: PSih2097
                Here is what I found from the Ukrainian defense industry:

                This is an old movie from 2012.
                There are still C-200 alive
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 16 January 2018 18: 08 New
              0
              By the way, what's the upgrade? in painting? Or, like Belarusians, an adult?

              Well, of course
              From the modernized anti-aircraft missile system, the 5ВХNUMXД-М27 rocket was launched with an active radar homing head. In the initial part of the rocket moves along the aeroballistic trajectory, such a flight of the rocket significantly increases the far boundary of the C-2M air defense system,

              It is reported that "the furthest border of the affected area with new missiles is 40 km, and the maximum height of the affected area is 25 km."

              Well this is from painting all the side effects. By the way, Ukrainian enterprises also took part in the Belarusian modernization ..
              1. KVU-NSVD
                KVU-NSVD 16 January 2018 18: 12 New
                +3
                thanks for the info hi
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 16 January 2018 18: 33 New
                  0
                  Information from the article above.
                  Although of course this is their own statement, and to what extent he can be entrusted with this at all, this is a separate issue.
                  1. KVU-NSVD
                    KVU-NSVD 16 January 2018 18: 37 New
                    +3
                    I am for info on the joint development of Ukraine and Belarus
            3. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 17 January 2018 00: 28 New
              0
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              By the way, what's the upgrade

              Have you tried to read the article further on?
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 17 January 2018 05: 59 New
                +1
                Quote: prosto_rgb
                Have you tried to read the article further on?

                Have tried. And even further.
                http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c125/c1
                25.shtml "
                The last attempt to modernize the S-125 air defense system took place in 1980, when it was proposed to transfer the missile guidance station to a digital element base, to decouple the missile and target channels by introducing two control posts (it allowed the introduction of the "full anticipation" method to increase the distant border of the affected area to 42 km ) and the introduction of a rocket homing channel. These proposals were rejected due to fears that the updated S-125 would interfere with the production of S-300P air defense systems that had begun. "Interestingly, what new things did Ukrainians bring to the S-125 air defense system?
                1. prosto_rgb
                  prosto_rgb 18 January 2018 01: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: Amurets
                  Have tried. And even further.

                  if you tried, then what is the question?
                  it is written that the rocket now with active radar seeker is used

                  Quote: Amurets
                  These proposals were rejected for fear

                  it is obvious that if now Ukrainians have implemented it, then this is also new
                  for it was previously rejected
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 18 January 2018 03: 52 New
                    +1
                    Quote: prosto_rgb
                    it is obvious that if now Ukrainians have implemented it, then this is also new
                    for it was previously rejected

                    Read the link to the end. In 1970-1980, problems with the S-300P were higher than the roof, therefore, they decided not to spray efforts on the production of the S-125M Pechora. If it were not possible to bring to mind the S-300P, then the S-75 Volkhov M-4 and S-125M Pechora-2 would go into production. These air defense systems were created to secure work on the S-300P air defense system
                    1. prosto_rgb
                      prosto_rgb 19 January 2018 01: 12 New
                      0
                      thanks for the link
                      but I read it right away
                      и
                      what is the actual question?
                      Quote: Amurets
                      decided not to spray efforts on the production of S-125M Pechora.

                      accordingly, all these developments in the series and in service were absent
                      So if they are introduced in the Ukrainian modernization, they will be new relative to the S-125
                      but the main thing is the missile itself, because no one upgraded the missiles to the S-125
                      1. Amurets
                        Amurets 19 January 2018 06: 30 New
                        +1
                        Quote: prosto_rgb
                        So if they are introduced in the Ukrainian modernization, they will be new relative to the S-125

                        Why? Belarus is upgrading and repairing the S-125 air defense system.
                        But about the Ukrainian modernization of the S-125 air defense system. In 2017, it was announced that Radionics LLC had developed a program to modernize the export version of the Soviet S-125 Pechora anti-aircraft missile system to the S-125M-2UM level. The modernization program includes the replacement of the UNV antenna post with 36D6 radar, the modernization of the 5P73 launcher and the modernization of the 5V27D missiles with the replacement of the 5C45 missile launch accelerator with a new launch accelerator (which can extend the life of the anti-aircraft missile for another 10 years) [8].

                        But this news may turn out to be fake: something, somewhere, once.
                        First starts. Missiles with new GOS from the Radionics company.
                        https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/1031581.h
                        tml
                        "Good news. The domestic company Radionics and the state-owned design bureau Luch conducted the first missile launches from the upgraded anti-aircraft missile system C-125. True, not in Ukraine, but on the territory of a foreign customer. In general, without too much detail, I’ll say this: the first firing, given the realities in which they were carried out, can be considered quite successful. "
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 16 January 2018 17: 34 New
      +1
      in vain, it all depends on the decisiveness of the 1st Mikola (or 10 thousand), and not the number of missiles
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 16 January 2018 12: 00 New
    +1
    There is still gunpowder in the flasks, will be exported.
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 16 January 2018 12: 04 New
      +1
      Yes, there is still gunpowder in the props.
    2. The black
      The black 16 January 2018 12: 06 New
      +7
      And now the Ukrainian artillery leaves for the front square! Powerful, stone wheels, meter-sized catapults do not leave the enemy a chance. The artillery is served by crews armed with batons and a fume. Glory to the heroes! wassat
      1. Going
        Going 16 January 2018 12: 11 New
        +4
        It's time for them to revive the cavalry, there are no problems with feed, unlike fuel and lubricants.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 16 January 2018 12: 18 New
          +3
          Yes, why don’t you like pigs so much - not everyone will survive the trip on it ukrofashsita ("sorry for the bird") crying
          According to the news - didn’t they tell these fools that the Americans have already written off all the Fu-117s *? Who are they going to hunt with these antiques? request
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 January 2018 13: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      There is life in the old dog yet

      And berries in the buttocks. laughing
    4. Genry
      Genry 16 January 2018 14: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      There is still gunpowder in the flasks, will be exported.

      Yes!
      In the DNI, LC for example ... Everything they have sooner or later appears.
  3. AlexKP
    AlexKP 16 January 2018 12: 01 New
    +2
    One thing is clear from the video, the upgraded rocket can fly.
    1. Genry
      Genry 16 January 2018 14: 19 New
      +1
      Brick also knows how to fly. The question is functionality.
      1. AlexKP
        AlexKP 16 January 2018 14: 46 New
        +1
        The topic of functionality in the video is not disclosed. Therefore, we can only talk about the fact that the rocket leaves the guides and flies towards the sky.
  4. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 16 January 2018 12: 02 New
    +2
    interesting, but they have many missiles for s-125 .... obviously they are not riveting themselves. and the remains from the times of the USSR
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 January 2018 12: 05 New
    +4
    They still live by Soviet achievements. Each launch of something Soviet is perceived as a breakthrough in the science and technology of Ukraine. Even the president congratulates. We got sick of the disease.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 16 January 2018 12: 44 New
      +8
      Quote: rotmistr60
      They still live by Soviet achievements. Each launch of something Soviet is perceived as a breakthrough in the science and technology of Ukraine. Even the president congratulates. We got sick of the disease.

      Yesterday, everyone was proud of the modernization of the two Su-27 on the site. But is it by chance that the Soviet backlog is being finished?
      [media = https: //topwar.ru/133800-esche-dva-moderni
      zirovannyh-su-27sm3.html]
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 16 January 2018 12: 49 New
        +3
        Do you happen to know that, unlike Ukraine, new weapons are being created?
      2. Genry
        Genry 16 January 2018 14: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Normal ok
        Yesterday, everyone was proud of the modernization of the two Su-27 on the site. But is it by chance that the Soviet backlog is being finished?

        To upgrade is to improve. The replacement of electronics in the Su-27 expands the range of weapons and the possibility of its use and much, much, much more ...
        What will improve in the S-125 if you completely change all the electronics? In fact, this is a complete replacement of the product. Cheaper new systems to develop with greater speed, range and maneuverability of the rocket.
  6. Lopatov
    Lopatov 16 January 2018 12: 05 New
    +3
    Strange they are. C-200 is heroically removed from service, in order to "pull a range" for Pechora, which is not a very wise procedure.

    Well, counting on foreign orders is pretty stupid. Belarus and Russia seem to have already “erased” everything in this segment.
    1. Manager
      Manager 16 January 2018 13: 50 New
      +2
      The S-200 engine runs on liquid fuel, everything is worthless on the expiration date.
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 16 January 2018 16: 24 New
      +8
      Quote: Spade
      Strange they are. C-200 is heroically removed from service, in order to "pull a range" for Pechora, which is not a very wise procedure.

      Lopatov, the operation of the C-200 of all modifications has always been difficult and costly. "Dvuhsotku" for several reasons, it is much more difficult to modernize, and liquid-based missiles almost everywhere have developed a resource. C-125 is much easier in all respects. The modernized Russian Pechera-2M is a success on the foreign market. In Belarus, Poland and Ukraine in the past, too, they were engaged in the modernization of the C-125, but nowhere had they used an anti-aircraft missile system with a radar seeker. I would venture to suggest that the specialists of the Kiev enterprise “Luch” used a semi-active head from P-27. In the past, rockets of this type were made there, although other options are possible. Our "high-willed" leaders, shortly before the coup, placed an order in Ukraine for the production of P-77 SD.
      1. prosto_rgb
        prosto_rgb 17 January 2018 00: 34 New
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        I’ll venture to suggest that the specialists of the Kiev enterprise “Luch” used a semi-active head from R-27. In the past, missiles of this type were manufactured there, although other options are possible.

        Who does not risk - he does not drink champagne!
        You can have a drink!
        GOS is active there, it was just done to replace the passive one in the R-27 and, on the R-77, it also intervenes like a native, although the R-77 was not produced in Ukraine.
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  8. rocket757
    rocket757 16 January 2018 12: 17 New
    +4
    Not too much, but can shoot, kill.
    We were able to do in the union qualitatively and for a long time!
    1. Archivist Vasya
      Archivist Vasya 16 January 2018 18: 08 New
      +2
      Avatar just under the news)
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 January 2018 14: 15 New
        +1
        Well, my first "love"!
  9. Vitas
    Vitas 16 January 2018 12: 27 New
    +1
    Pechora - Pechoritsі. Translated champignons. wink
  10. sgr291158
    sgr291158 16 January 2018 12: 50 New
    0
    They will sell it, and the babosy will cut it.
  11. faiver
    faiver 16 January 2018 13: 10 New
    +1
    oh well, the Petrosyanov congress is straight laughing
    Well, their flymen should do something - well, let the trainer
  12. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 16 January 2018 13: 18 New
    +6
    The complex is bearded, even with a device. I doubt that they have enough tugriks for large-scale modernization. Efficiency is also in question. But enough for a PR campaign: a cardboard achressor in a panic. The remains of the defense industry in Ukraine are trying to show signs of life, otherwise they will remain without work at all.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 January 2018 13: 48 New
      +6
      Already argued - argued on this topic, the complex is outdated and fundamentally raise it to a new level. Very expensive.
      For anyone, he can work, only how?
      The Hussites hit the ground with such missiles!
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 16 January 2018 16: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        Already argued - argued on this topic, the complex is outdated and fundamentally raise it to a new level. Very expensive.

        Sorry, but what do you think about this: LAW C-125 in the XXI century (clickable)
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 January 2018 21: 29 New
          +4
          What's wrong? The complex is operational, after modernization it performs what it can!
          The range of goals is limited because no fundamental design changes were made, expensive ... it is sold as a budget option!
          We have already discussed all this - workable but limited ... relatively cheap!
          In fact, he probably outlived all foreign peers ... knew how to make high-quality weapons in the USSR.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 17 January 2018 00: 17 New
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            What's wrong? The complex is operational, after modernization it performs what it can!

            The upgraded version of "Pechera-2M" is not just "efficient", but thanks to the transfer to the mobile chassis, the transition to solid-state components and the introduction of microprocessor technology, it has received new opportunities. You will not deny that the effectiveness of the complex has increased significantly?
            Quote: rocket757
            In fact, he probably outlived all foreign peers ...

            You are wrong. No. There are still quite a lot of American Hawk air defense systems in the world.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 17 January 2018 08: 06 New
              +3
              There is such a HAW, the fate of the development is similar and now it is also for the poor, outdated.
              Conclusion - the performance characteristics of air targets have changed, it is time to change the anti-aircraft technology.
              Refine, upgrade, extend the service life purely for economic reasons. Obsolete air defense systems cannot get closer to the parameters of modern anti-aircraft systems, for any money!
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 18 January 2018 14: 08 New
                +3
                Quote: rocket757
                There is such a HAW, the fate of the development is similar and now it is also for the poor, outdated.

                Well, if you consider Japan, Italy and Israel to be poor, then I agree with you. With what modern ZRS you propose to compare the upgraded C-125 and "Us Hawk" translated modern solid-state electronics. In its class, these are quite decent complexes capable of fighting all existing tactical and carrier-based aircraft.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 18 January 2018 14: 25 New
                  +1
                  Able, but will it be successful ??? Who tested this in practice?
                  We sho, compare all the performance characteristics of the items with the new air defense systems?
                  Those that the developers REFUSED from these products for themselves! What is being upgraded for the "poor" is not an indicator of modernity, but of something else.
                  For example, the lack of money from the customer, the lack of a real enemy with sophisticated, advanced techniques for attack !!!
                  The complex works, but none of the REAL GUYS uses it, it is outdated!
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 18 January 2018 15: 21 New
                    +1
                    Let's not exaggerate. Checked on landfills, or do you consider foreign customers idiots?
                    Quote: rocket757
                    We sho, compare all the performance characteristics of the items with the new air defense systems?
                    Well, you say that it is already worthless complexes, why not compare.
                    Quote: rocket757
                    The complex works, but none of the REAL GUYS uses it, it is outdated!

                    Who do you mean by "real"? If you are in the "topic" then you should know how in our 90-e they still wrote off fully combat-ready complexes. And in terms of the range, height and speed of hitting the target, the modernized “hundred-twenty-five” is quite at the level. And when using an optical television channel, noise immunity is even nothing.
                    Where is armed with a modernized "Us Hawk", I wrote to you. Or is it not "real guys"? By the way, it is purely for financial reasons that it was relatively recently removed from service at the USMC, selling it to these "guys."
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 18 January 2018 15: 49 New
                      +1
                      Unfortunately, I saw how they destroyed what could not be destroyed.
                      I did not call the complex completely unusable. they can work, only the range of tasks they have narrowed. they cannot work against everything that the attacker has or can have, that is, not like before. Nobody releases new complexes in the form in which it was developed or modernized. Modify, upgrade the nodes of existing ones ... it is logical, but this is not new. and a modified old one.
                      You can make the rocket “smarter”, replace the radar and the guidance station with a new one ... but fundamentally, by design it will be the same rocket with the performance characteristics in it once.
                      Well, you can’t make Percherson a fast Arabian horse, you can’t. You can of course charge the ski \ pepper to him in one place and he will run of course faster, but he won’t catch up with the horse !!!
                      I repeat, a rocket, a complex of workers, but the range of tasks for them has been reduced! Works for what it can!
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 18 January 2018 17: 21 New
                        +2
                        Quote: rocket757
                        You can make the rocket “smarter”, replace the radar and the guidance station with a new one ... but fundamentally, by design it will be the same rocket with the performance characteristics in it once.

                        Perhaps you do not know, but in the updated modification of the missile defense system of the Pecher-2M complex, intended for foreign customers, a new fuel formulation and modern element base are used.
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 18 January 2018 19: 27 New
                        +1
                        I know. A rocket can fly a little faster, longer, farther !!!
                        This should make it a prize horse or something ???
                        Has her aerodynamics changed? control mechanisms? Shunting characteristics?
                        The rocket is outdated and cannot perform a range of tasks characterizing
                        HIGHLY CLASS modern anti-aircraft missile!
  13. Simple russian
    Simple russian 16 January 2018 13: 40 New
    +6
    The video shows that the upgrade touched only 5V27. GOS is very similar to Bukovskaya. About the range, it seems like a fake, it depends on the modernization of the powder charge, and the horse didn’t lie about them in this matter. PU, AP, everything is old, the UNK may have been modified to support the GOS, but nothing is said about it. Everything that can be upgraded on the S-125 has already been done in Russia by the Defensive Systems holding. Kaklam still jump and jump to this level. IMHO.
    1. prosto_rgb
      prosto_rgb 17 January 2018 00: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Simple Russian
      The video shows that the upgrade touched only 5V27

      and there is. basically modernized the rocket itself. in the complex itself there are a few electronic units, but this is not news; many people modify the electronics in the S-125. but no one missiles.
      Quote: Simple Russian
      GOS is very similar to Bukovskaya.

      GOS there from the R-27 rocket.
  14. Dormidont
    Dormidont 16 January 2018 13: 46 New
    +4
    This prodigy is better suited to the name "Sadness"
  15. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 January 2018 18: 37 New
    +1
    Who will enlighten me? Reach maximum height-25-km .. "aeroballistic trajectory" to increase the horizontal range is advisable at an altitude of 40 km (in extreme cases, from 30 ...) ... and then what happens? request
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 16 January 2018 20: 03 New
    0
    All videos about testing new missile systems and upgraded systems from Ukraine are the same throughout the timing. The shooting of the launch is done at a distance, the launch of the rocket is difficult to analyze, the rocket is not visible, then the video ends!
    There are no visual reports of a hit and generally evidence that this is precisely this missile, but to say that it struck something, you don’t have to say, it’s written below
  17. LeonidL
    LeonidL 17 January 2018 06: 23 New
    +1
    They are getting ready, and getting ready seriously - DNR-LNR do not have the right to relax, the time of easy victories, alas, is lost forever.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 17 January 2018 08: 08 New
      +3
      Everyone is preparing there, according to available resources! And the help of friends, of course.
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  20. Bongo
    Bongo 22 January 2018 05: 31 New
    +2
    rocket757,
    Quote: rocket757
    I know. A rocket can fly a little faster, longer, farther !!!

    And in the figures did not try to compare?
    Quote: rocket757
    This should make it a prize horse or something ???

    This is written by a person with PU 5P73 on the avatar? Not expected request
    Quote: rocket757
    Has her aerodynamics changed? control mechanisms? Shunting characteristics?

    Most importantly, increased dynamic performance. Thanks to the introduction of new electronics, reliability has increased. And it seems they have developed a more effective CU, but I will not say this.
    Quote: rocket757
    The rocket is outdated and cannot perform a range of tasks characterizing
    HIGHLY CLASS modern anti-aircraft missile!

    Well, what kind of missiles close in mass and dimensions do you consider "high class"? And what is this term? The same Syrians consider the Pechera-2M air defense system to be quite an effective complex, capable of carrying out the whole range of tasks assigned to it for a small amount of money. However, you probably know when the serial construction of the C-125М1 and C-300PT / PS SAM systems began? Anything that is practically the same age? Do you know what the share of C-300PS is in our ZRV, and when the production of the 5ВХNUMXР ZUR is discontinued?
    1. Romulus
      Romulus 22 January 2018 05: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Bongo
      The same Syrians consider the Pechera-2M air defense system as quite an effective complex capable of fulfilling the full range of tasks assigned to it for little money.

      So far, it does not seem that the Syrians have closed their skies or repel blows at their facilities .. nuclear center, airfield, Iranian base, etc.?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 January 2018 09: 11 New
        +3
        Senseless argument.
        Sho we turn back because it is so cheaper.
        Manufacturers, the military are moving to new systems and that’s it.
        Who wants to upgrade, use the old. Normal situation, all in accordance with the existing tasks.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 22 January 2018 10: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          Senseless argument.

          By and large, yes. yes
          But personally, I think the refusal of the latest C-125 variants in 90 is a big mistake. These numerous complexes could cover secondary objects, including those from the KR, and supplement C-300P. Moreover, the minimum height of damage in C-125М1 is even less than that of C-300PS. The “Stovadtsatipyatka” had an excellent modernization potential, and could still serve. And so, the complexes transferred "in storage" are basically just looted.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 January 2018 10: 32 New
            +3
            Without question, the complex is operational and, with proper modernization, fits into any layered air defense. Performs tasks that are available to him ... and yes it would be cheaper!
            We went for scrapping of many security systems precisely for .... hell knows for what reasons.
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 22 January 2018 10: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Romulus
        So far, it does not seem that the Syrians have closed their skies or repel blows at their facilities .. nuclear center, airfield, Iranian base, etc.?

        Do not forget what their main air enemy is. Yes, and how to do it in a civil war?
        Perhaps you will be interested in:
        Operation "Orchard"
        The current state of the Syrian Arab Republic air defense system (clickable)
        About air defense SAR written in May 2016, but in general, is still relevant. hi
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 22 January 2018 10: 37 New
          +1
          Syrian air defense, torn pieces of the system !!!
          They would cover their important objects, and that’s good !!!
          While the prospects are foggy ... the most important WHO WILL PAY ???
          The adversary is cunning, operates well-planned pirate raids ....
          We can close the sky of Syria, of course we can, but ... and now it’s long but coming!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 January 2018 10: 42 New
            +2
            For Bongo .
            I am not opposed to the old Soviet technology, all the more new is the repainted legacy of the military-industrial complex of the USSR, I just think that if you have already begun to rebuild the system, act according to the plan ... do not shy away to and fro .... our opponent is already very painful !! !