Relatives of the missing sailors said that only Russia is searching for the submarine "San Juan"

Only the Russian research vessel "Yantar" is searching for the disappeared submarine of the Argentine Navy "San Juan", reports RIA News statement of the spouse of one of the crew members of Marcela Moyano.

Only (the oceanographic research vessel of the Russian Navy) Yantar is looking for our sailors, until Tuesday or Wednesday the Argentine vessel Malvinas Islands will not arrive in the search radius, while the Spiro is in the search zone, but it is broken. because the sonar broke,

Moiano told the agency.

She also noted that the relatives of the missing sailors "require the government to continue searching and use all means to detect the submarine."

On Monday, the representative of the country's Navy Enrique Balbi said that the search for the submarine "San Juan" will be carried out indefinitely until its discovery. The law adopted on Monday by the Parliament says that a bicameral special commission will be created for search and rescue actions in respect of the submarine.

Earlier, the families of the crew of the missing submarine expressed a desire to meet with the Minister of Defense and President Mauricio Macri to ask for an increase in the number of search teams.

Yesterday, relatives of the missing sailors came to the Russian embassy to thank Russia for participating in the search for the submarine and its crew.

Recall, the San Juan diesel-electric submarines stopped contacting 15 on November 2017 on the transition from the Ushuaia naval base to Mar del Plata.

Comments

[Fedorov]

It is clear that I want to hope, but alas, how much time has passed ...
Well, "Yantar" is assigned to the most secret department of the Navy - think about it at your leisure. Who is there and what is there. Very "peaceful" ship.

[The black]

Quote: Fedorov

It is clear that I want to hope, but alas, how much time has passed ..

Yes, there is already no hope of salvation. The question here is to establish the causes of the disaster and bring to the earth the bodies of the dead ..... For us, however, is testing the possibilities of detecting an underwater object in real conditions.

[bouncyhunter]

Only (the Russian Navy’s oceanographic research vessel) “Yantar” is looking for our sailors, until (Tuesday or Wednesday, the “Malvinas Islands” will arrive in the search radius (Argentine vessel), “Malvinas Islands”, while the (Argentinean corvette) Spiro is in the search area, but it’s broken

And what - mattress "jammers" have withdrew from searches?

[sabakina]

Pasha, welcome. I do not like this situation with submarines. Something reminiscent of the missing Malaysian Boeing. Well, it was not the Quakers who dragged her away ...

[bouncyhunter]

Slavik, salute! To me, too, this whole story gives a bad soul on the part of the main democrats of the entire planet.

[Svarog51]

Pasha And all three unknowns on board do not give me peace. And one more, according to the stripes, shunned as much as 6 tons in TNT. And the boat went without ammunition - an interbase post-repair crossing. Something a lot for hydrogen from batteries.

[bouncyhunter]

I say that too much turbidity. Therefore, I am interested in:

Quote: bouncyhunter

And what - mattress "jammers" have withdrew from searches?

Obviously, when they find the submarine - something unpleasant will show up.

[Svarog51]

I'm afraid that the stripes know exactly where she has already been there, just keep quiet. Remember our K-129.

[bouncyhunter]

I suppose this is quite possible - you can expect everything from the exceptional, except for the good.

[Orionvit]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Obviously when they find the submarine - something unpleasant will show up

This most likely explains the reason for the work of "Amber" only, when the others have retired. Something there in the Russian Admiralty, they know something interesting, but they will not tell us.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Orionvit

Something there in the Russian Admiralty, they know something interesting, but they will not tell us.

We know less - sleep better.

[Orionvit]

Quote: bouncyhunter

We know less - sleep better.

This is true, but still extremely curious. You learn the truth, then at least you will know the cause of insomnia.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Orionvit

You learn the truth, then at least you will know the cause of insomnia.

Yes, but they do not consider it necessary to inform us: the adversary is not asleep and the spies are in no measure.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Quote: Svarog51

... And all three unknowns on board do not give me peace.

One is known ... rather one: "Lieutenant Eliana Maria Kravchik, the first woman-submariner in the history of Argentina and all of Latin America, served on the San Juan submarine, which disappeared into the depths of the Atlantic"

“In Argentina, she was called the“ Queen of the Seas. ”She was 35 years old, on the submarine diesel electric ship“ San Juan ”she served as a captenarmus for 2016 years - she was responsible for the state of armaments. This is the third person in rank - after the commander and the head officer.
But she once dreamed of becoming the captain of a submarine. According to Primera Edición, Eliana Maria urged all women to go through life without fear, because each “can do the same thing that a man does in an area traditionally considered masculine.”
Relatives received the last news from her when the boat was preparing to sail from Ushuaia, the southernmost city of the planet, on Tierra del Fuego, to Mar del Plata, the home port. She said that in Ushuaia, the governor boarded the boat to greet her personally as the only woman in the crew. And she added that on the boat "there are problems" - technical ...."
"..... On November 27 it became known about the contents of the last radiogram from San Juan on November 15: a short circuit in the battery compartment due to sea water penetrating there started a fire, but it seemed to be able to cope, the crew promised get in touch again, but never came out ...
On November 29, Eliana Maria Kravchik was due to have a wedding. "
source: https://newtimes.ru/articles/detail/131229

[Svarog51]

I didn’t talk about her. She is from the crew, and besides them 6 more people were on the boat. One naval intelligence officer, two naval commandos. But who, those three unnamed?

[iaroslav.mudryi]

yes, it was not yet possible to dig up about them, there is an interesting article on a Spanish-language resource, quote:
".... On November 15, two CTBTO stations discovered an unusual signal near the last known position of the lost Argentinean submarine ARA San Juan," the statement of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization said in a statement. "
"...." The sonar stations HA10 (Ascension Island) and HA04 (Crozet, an archipelago belonging to France, southwest of Madagascar) discovered an underwater pulse signal that occurred in 13: 51 GMT on November 15. The place is adjacent to the last known ARA San Juan’s position, "the organization said." (Google Chrome auto-translation)
source: https://www.clarin.com/sociedad/submarino-ara-san
-juan-islas-40-habitantes-ayudaron-resolver-miste
rio-nave-desaparecida_0_BJQ-k0VxG.html
Really tried to test a small nuclear charge?

[Svarog51]

View the full selection of articles. In the penultimate, according to the same stations, they said that the explosion was 6 tons in TNT equivalent. Nuclear at least 6 kilotons, and that is very small. But this is still three orders of magnitude more than it exploded. The boat went without torpedoes. And who would begin to experiment in the stormy ocean using incomprehensibly as a repaired submarine - only suicides. All this does not fit.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Yes, it does not fit ... we will look further.

[Svarog51]

If you look at the first posts, there I talked with Veteran. He is much more knowledgeable about the situation. Follow his comments.

[iaroslav.mudryi]

Svarog51, thanks!

[Veteran]

Greetings, Seryozha! Yes, the situation is quite dark. Regarding the latest reports: the 6 explosion of CT TNT is nonsense, the American retiree either mixed up something or simply draws attention to his person; the Americans left the search, not seeing the prospect, just as they left the search for the Malaysian Boeing - without results; our seekers need to help numerous ships with search sonars, one “Amber” is not enough, it is strange that the Argentines brought to search only one corvette, because such ships (such as “Esper”) they have 6 units, quite modern, two of them participated in Desert Storm campaign, there are other ships; in my opinion, the initial search area was really chosen too large, it would be necessary first of all to check the north direction from the point of the last radio contact, there is the Falkland stream in the north-east direction (to 2 nodes), and although the depths to 200 m, the drift is side of the Argentine basin is not excluded.
In general, the Argentines themselves should make more efforts, and not rely on our single "Amber".

[Svarog51]

What am I for? Here on the site there are several participants who not only understand the topic, but can also predict. Navy officers in considerable ranks and with vast experience. Just follow their comments. If you want details - please send me a personal message, I can share it.

[Spec]

Plus a detailed study of the water area.

[alstr]

Plus, once again map the area in more detail.

[RASKAT]

Well judging by the search areas there the depths are pretty small 100-150 meters, and the bottom is pretty even. If she lay on her course, they would have long been found. There are many questions, firstly why did they designate such a huge search area? In the photo, the area is approximately 750 at 400 kilometers. Yes, in such an area they will look for it for ten years with our Amber alone. Also, the area affects places with depths of 3-4 kilometers, it will not be possible to find it there at all.

[Hagalaz]

The business is noble, but practical benefit also needs to be learned. Up to bottom mapping.
Potential routes for Status))

[KVU-NSVD]

Yes, it’s clear that the GUGI solves its tasks there, but if they find the remains of the boat and evidence of the true reasons for its death, the perpetrators will feel hot in their seats (and perhaps they will have to take “steps to rapprochement with Russia for the sake of improving relations”, and relatives will have the opportunity to throw a wreath at the place of death - believe me, normal people do not forget this

[Russia]

No matter how they drown themselves, a mystery covered in darkness.

[svp67]

Quote: Fedorov

It is clear that I want to hope, but alas, how much time has passed ...

Everything is already clear, but even know WHERE WHERE to put a wreath on the waves ... and this is not enough

Quote: Fedorov

Well, "Yantar" is assigned to the most secret department of the Navy - think about it at your leisure. Who is there and what is there. Very "peaceful" ship.

Strange approach. Even if it’s the most “peaceful” of the “peaceful trawlers” of our fleet, but it’s a ship of the Russian Navy, which means it carries out and carries out its military watch where they order ...
Oceanographic research vessel "Yantar" - the lead vessel of project 22010, code "Kruys", built at the Baltic shipyard "Yantar" in accordance with the contract signed in February 2009, with the Main Directorate for Deep-Water Research (GUGI) of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Ministry of Defense) Russia).

[236 BTR]

Yes, the ship is peaceful))), and I look someone envy gnaws ??? Well, as for the submarine, even the crew said that the boat had serious problems))) the crew is sorry

[Captain smollett]

Yesterday, relatives of the missing sailors came to the Russian embassy to thank Russia for participating in the search for the submarine and its crew.
RIP Peace, Sailors ...

[rotmistr60]

came to the embassy of the Russian Federation to thank Russia

In my opinion, it’s not bitter, but only the tragedy and help of Russia in a difficult situation makes it possible for representatives of other countries to recall our country in a positive way.

[The black]

Quote: rotmistr60

In my opinion, it’s not bitter, but only the tragedy and help of Russia in a difficult situation makes it possible for representatives of other countries to recall our country in a positive way.

And the most offensive is that all good things are quickly forgotten. ..Dollar rules the world.

[100502]

Enough with the illusions, all good things with our friends are formatted quickly from memory

[rotmistr60]

Enough of illusions

What illusions are you talking about? Did I write what remains in memory or in general about memory?

[Cxnumx]

Quote: 100502

Enough with the illusions, all good things with our friends are formatted quickly from memory

personally, these people, whose relatives they are looking for, will definitely hold out in the memory of 10-20 years; their relatives have 5-10; third-party people watching telly 1-3 years. It's enough. no casualties from Russia, no wasted money, etc. but they left a good impression of themselves.
but how much, I’m not afraid of the word, the whining was under the news of the dispatch of the ship. "why? we do not need!". it’s necessary, “Fedi,” it is necessary.

[alstr]

It happens in different ways. Won help with the earthquake in Messina is still remembered.
The question of the scale of the tragedy and help. (And also how it turned out)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: rotmistr60

In my opinion, it’s not bitter, but only the tragedy and help of Russia in a difficult situation allows representatives other countries remember our country in a positive way.

For any, there are much more “other” countries than those who create the background about the “toxicity” of Russia. After Syria, now many have the hope that the US dictates will be broken, and this hope the world connects with Russia. Even taking such an indicator as voting at the UN on resolutions directed against the interests of Russia, it can be seen that the number of countries that voted “against” or “abstained” increased.

[Conductor]

while (Argentinean corvette) Spiro is in the search zone, but it’s broken because the sonar has broken, well, the corvette itself is not broken but the sonar, so that the corvette is recognized as broken, it is necessary that the remote control stops, or the screw falls off, but without sonar corvette, not broken.

[32363]

Today, barmalei on their knees are collected by drones, and such serious vehicles as this boat or a Malaysian plane that disappeared a couple of years ago cannot be found or do not want to.

[vasilkovichi]

Yes, of course, a lot of time has passed, and there is no chance to find survivors. But even if they don’t raise it, they will at least put a buoy on it and relatives of the sailors will have the opportunity to visit the mass grave ...

[Orionvit]

Quote: rotmistr60

In my opinion, it’s not bitter, but only the tragedy and help of Russia in a difficult situation makes it possible for representatives of other countries to recall our country in a positive way.

Unfortunately, while everyone has "everything in a bundle," few people pay attention to others. But when the fried rooster pecks in one place, then everyone together begins to look for who would help. Russia (USSR) helped a lot of people, but in reality, people have a short memory. And the states are even shorter.

[501 Legion]

In general, this whole story should be a great lesson for everyone.

[APASUS]

I understand the Navy, I understand that this is a submarine, but how is the service delivered to them that they can’t find for two months, although the destination is known. Did you go with a secret channel?

[Svarog51]

Veteran,
Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome you No, in the message of the American figure is 6 tons of TNT equivalent, and not 6 kilotons. Three orders less. This is not a nuclear explosion, but it’s also not clear where 6 tons could have come from, the boat then went without ammunition. Moreover, the widow of one of the crew members blames that the only corvette involved in the search has a faulty sonar. They result, it turns out, is not needed at all. Our "Amber" has to do the impossible. I wish our good luck.

[Veteran]

Yes, Seryozha, I have a typo, of course, 6 t TE, I had this figure in mind.

[kunstkammer]

Quote: Svarog51

I wish our good luck.

Being good for all the others is what our people do great. And we drive planes to the other end of the world and the ship .. we are kind. And what? Money in the country is unmeasured.
Raisa in the fart!