Media: the United States put the Syrian Kurds MANPADS

The military units of the Kurdish militia in Syria received a batch of man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) from the United States as part of a “secret agreement”. This is the agency Al-Masdar, citing the source.

According to the agency interlocutor, the American military last week delivered MANPADS to the Afrin region in the Syrian province of Aleppo and handed them over to the Kurds.

Earlier, the Defense Post reported that a coalition led by the United States to combat the Islamic State * group has launched in Syria the creation of so-called "border security forces" together with the Syrian Democratic Forces (VTS). VTS were formed with the active support of the United States in 2015, as officially stated, to combat IS *. Formations, consisting mainly of Syrian Kurds, as well as some Arab tribes, received weapons from the US coalition.

Recall, the Turkish army is increasing its presence on the border with Syria, moving military equipment to border areas and leading to shelling at the YPG in the north of the country. Earlier, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan presented an ultimatum to the Kurds: to leave their positions within a week or to be ready for an operation to destroy them.


Islamic state * (IG *) - terrorist organization banned in Russia

Comments

[Herculesic]

Do not wash, so skate! The Yankees are in a hurry to start dividing Syria, so that through the Kurds the local oil can be taken over!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Media: the United States put the Syrian Kurds MANPADS

Erdogan is delighted ... and if the Javelins are shipped? the alignment will be interesting. under Afrin, the Kurds are almost surrounded, how will it end?

[INVESTOR]

Now, by accident, these MANPADS will get to the wrong people, and after that they will be naughty on our planes.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: INVESTOR

Now, by accident, these MANPADS will get to the wrong people, and after that they will be naughty on our planes.

on helicopters. Our aircraft operate at heights of inaccessible MANPADS.

[INVESTOR]

The United States, in principle, no matter who they get to, if only the boiler is seething, so they throw firewood, scum. Let them not complain later if in New York the passenger bass is knocked down.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: INVESTOR

Let them not complain later if in New York the passenger bass is knocked down.

and they won’t complain, they’ll bomb some country again, and that’s all. (they will appoint a guilty party)

[Lelek]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Our aircraft operate at heights of inaccessible MANPADS.

And they do not work badly. Yesterday:

[anos off]

So far, our videoconferencing does not work in Kurds. There are no losses.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: INVESTOR

Now, by accident, these MANPADS will get to the wrong people, and after that they will be naughty on our planes.

100% Go there. And for that they were put there.

[bald]

Good morning Andrew. An interesting point - they put the Kurds, use it. And what will be the reaction of Ukraine? "(I'm in a humorous scenario) - After all, they’ll take offense! They didn’t give it to us, but at first they said we’ll train them away from the borders of the DLNR. It seems that the whole thing in Russia is the United States is afraid of the consequences. Sorry a little off topic.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: bald

After all, they’ll be offended!

otherwise ...

[bald]

In general, it dawned on me - the Kurds, that hiding something - wars, they did not need to show how to deal with MANPADS. Well, these, like monkeys with a grenade.

[Kent0001]

In such cases, they will have to interfere with the ground. You can not let Amers implement such plans.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Media: the United States put the Syrian Kurds MANPADS

Erdogan is delighted ... and if the Javelins are shipped? the alignment will be interesting. under Afrin, the Kurds are almost surrounded, how will it end?

The humanitarian bombing will end. I’m wondering how the western MANPADS will shoot down Western planes?

[Spec]

I’m wondering how the western MANPADS will shoot down Western planes?

Western hardly. Most likely they expect to bring down the Syrian, i.e. Soviet built. It can be assumed that the Americans hope that the Kurds will use MANPADS against the VKS. Then generally beauty. I think so. that they will try to start a batch with the hands of the Syrian Kurds, and quietly merge, as with the independence of Iraqi Kurdistan. Again, if the Turks get it, Erdogan will immediately launch a large-scale operation in Syria on the eve of the All-Syrian Congress. Again, the Americans get what they want, because We’ll have to resolve it with our participation, and not just with words.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

..what will end?

By treatment, from a doctor of the Russian Aerospace Forces

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Erdogan is delighted ... and if the Javelins are shipped? the alignment will be interesting. under Afrin, the Kurds are almost surrounded, how will it end?

But how will it end? By the fact that the Kurds are ultimately hanged by lyuli and forced to peace, only on conditions much worse than those on which they could be reconciled now. Practice shows that no matter who makes friends with mattresses, he was eventually thrown by his patron and a bit an opponent. It is time for the Kurds to realize that the economic and military component of Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq is much higher than all American handouts.

[Spartanez300]

This is no longer a country, but some kind of Gordian knot, before that everything was intertwined, and which only needs to be cut. It’s just not clear who will do it and how, otherwise the conflict and the end and edge are not visible.

[The black]

There is nothing obvious that would not be secret!

[siberalt]

The Kurds, with the help of the Americans, will squeeze out the Turks from Syria, and then the Americans themselves.

[Dezinto]

The Kurds, with the help of the Americans, will squeeze out the Turks from Syria, and then the Americans themselves.

No longer dragging what is happening there, the Kurds, Turks, Syrians, ousting these, they are arming those ..... poor Syria.
I'm confused!!!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: DEZINTO

I'm confused!!!

Nicola, by a happy coincidence, I have scissors ... where to go, get out? (I’ll pick up on the way to “red and white”)

[Alexander 3]

The mattress workers are doing everything so that the conflict continues. It is necessary to recapture the oil-bearing areas. Because everything went wrong for them according to their scenario.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: siberalt

The Kurds, with the help of the Americans, will squeeze out the Turks from Syria, and then the Americans themselves.

a controversial topic ... the Kurds themselves are now under threat of annihilation, whatever one may say, but Turkey is still stronger than what the formation is not clear.

[Finches]

I note that the foreign policy of GDP, unlike the United States, is extremely flexible - we are actively participating in the Syrian mess, but relations with Turkey are restored, they are also equal with the Kurds, Iran, almost a partner, Egypt, the same, Arab sheikhs fly to Moscow, but Netanyahu does not get out of Sochi ... Yes, Iraq, completely controlled by the USA, is looking at the distant twinkling of Kremlin stars!
Let me be accused of imperial manners, but the echoes of the 80s are felt in foreign policy, and this is damn nice!

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Finches

but at the same time relations with Turkey are restored, with the Kurds they are also equal

controversially, a game of interest so far. and with the Kurds, from which the Americans play denser. where are ours

[karish]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: Finches

but at the same time relations with Turkey are restored, with the Kurds they are also equal

controversially, a game of interest so far. and with the Kurds, from which the Americans play denser. where are ours

Good morning, Andrey.
The situation in Syria and in general in BV is such that to talk about some kind of relationship, and even more so lasting frivolously, you never know where and how it will explode and why.
Take the same Kurds, for 2 years it was
From the point of view of Russia - to supply weapons - not to supply
Give autonomy - not give
Turkey - against, Russia - for, the Americans give weapons - do not give, etc. etc.
Assad is generally against everything, like Iran.
This is such an adder that slurp it with a full spoon and for years.
And there will never be an end to the whole thing, and the most interesting thing is that it’s like the light will loom over, it’s like it’s all the same everything will break.
There are so many groups with radically opposite goals, and each group has several million people and sponsors from all sides.
And the Alawites as well.
Syria, as I have long been saying, as a single state, is not and never will be. Now the question is, what part of Syria will the Kurds and the SSA control and will they cut off Assad from direct passage through the axis - Iran-Iraq.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

The situation in Syria and in general in BV is such that to talk about some kind of relationship, and even more so lasting frivolously, you never know where and how it will explode and why.

100% Sanya ...

This is such an adder that slurp it with a full spoon and for years.

Alas..

. Syria, as I have long been saying, as a single state there is not and will not be

. probably...

[karish]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

most likely...

Syria was an artificially created state (I mean its borders, without any consideration of the tribes and faiths living in this territory.
It was all the Ottoman Empire, then the British and French came and divided 9 as they liked 0 so we got
1. Syria - 70% of the Sunnis. 15% Alavite. there are still different Shiite bits and a bit of Christians-- the Alawites rule --- there is a conflict.
2. Lebanon - which in general should in principle be part of Syria. but it was separated because there were many Christians - sort of like, but
gradually from the whole mess (especially when the palaces led by Arafat, expelled from Jordan, came to them - the Christians shed.
Received 20% Sunnis, 10% Christians, 40% Shiites, well, there are still Druze
wherein

Lebanon stands out for its extraordinary religious diversity. This is the only Arab state at the head of which (the President of the Lebanese Republic), according to the Constitution, is a Christian (Maronite). The prime minister is a Sunni Muslim. The Speaker of the Parliament is a Shia Muslim.

everyone hates everyone, each denomination has its own army and everything else
Lebanon in general as a state has a nominal value
3.Jordan-- a state that never existed at all within any borders
70% of the Arabs are Palestinians (as they call themselves) the rest are Bedouin Arabs.
some hate others, maybe the Bedouins rule. the king in general (the Hashemite dynasty) is dragged from Arabia.
4. Iraq
Well, there’s nothing to say at all
40% Shiites. 30% Sunnis. 30% Kurds--
Everybody hates everybody
5.Arab Emirates .Emen, Qatar. Bahrain --- everywhere one garbage.
Populations are completely different in religious composition and history. mentality - locked in artificially drawn borders.
Do not feel like no people. and loyal only to their tribe, religious group, spiritual authorities.
And someone is trying to negotiate with this Venegret. moreover from the point of view of the European mentality.

come down from heaven to earth.
This is an endless conflict, with people for whom compliance with treaties has never been the norm, in many respects with a daily-mentality and religiosity.
It is endless, it will be a vacuum cleaner that will suck at you (and not only at you. -All whoever gets in there) - money, time, effort ----- and nothing. will not give anything in return.
maybe the Arab always and in everything sees only fit --- himself. his family, his tribe and his village ---- all the rest are only obliged to him.
Well, in general, --- as the welk says to our club.
MO once again 100 will take part in the victory, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will collect another 50 conferences, Putin will retire. he will be replaced by someone and the same will leave.
And you will continue - pay, spend time, energy and believe. that you are special and that you get something. which did not work for anyone and never.
Good. Good luck. Popcorn to order it makes no sense --- so much to eat.
Like that .

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Syria was an artificially created state (I mean its borders, without any consideration of the tribes and faiths living in this territory.

a lot of what you said, Sasha, is true, but it’s also true that until the Americans stuck their long nose and nose, there was PEACE in Syria. (as elsewhere)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

until the Americans stuck their long and nose, there was PEACE in Syria.

[karish]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Syria was an artificially created state (I mean its borders, without any consideration of the tribes and faiths living in this territory.

a lot of what you said, Sasha, is true, but it’s also true that until the Americans stuck their long nose and nose, there was PEACE in Syria. (as elsewhere)

You are wrong in this.
states generally did not climb into Syria. More than 4 years.
Obama didn’t.
the mess in Syria is all a purely Arab-Persian showdown.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: karish

You are wrong in this.

maybe, but people weren’t bombed. I understand that you are thinner than “cutting” the situation while living there, but, again, you are “cutting” the situation from your “bell tower” ... and this is important, the “referee” must be independent.

[karish]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

you "cut" it with your "bell tower" ... and this is important

Well, in general, everyone with his own bell tower is cutting, only the States were really not there.
If Obama had given the go-ahead and they would have climbed in, believe Assad would not have been there for a long time. not because the States are cool, it’s just the war there is already the 6th year, but 3 years ago who would have prevented Assad from throwing them off?

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

The “referee” must be independent.

Independent, this Syria did not rest against anything at all.
Who needs this hole?

World Bank: Syria War Damage Exceeds $ 280 Billion

q

With an unemployment rate of 50% (compared with 14% in 2011), more than 70% of the population lives in conditions of extreme poverty, unable to feed a family and purchase goods necessary for life

The number of doctors in Syria has decreased by 55% compared with the pre-war period, and access to medical facilities for both doctors and patients is extremely difficult due to the security situation. More than 40% of the country's population does not have access to doctors at all, while more than half of 113 state hospitals partially or completely stopped working

The Syrian education system was completely destroyed by the war - every fourth school in the region was destroyed and is used either as a shelter or as a military building. N

Industrial potential destroyed by 70%

That is all there is now.
With a nominal GDP of Syria at 20 billion dollars.
What do you think, for whose money all this will be restored?

[Kent0001]

Why is it that there is artificially created Israel, and Syria that has existed for centuries should fall apart?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Kent0001

Why is it that there is artificially created Israel, and Syria that has existed for centuries should fall apart?

Seriously...? how many confessions, tribes and movements are there in Syria? but in Israel? I replied?

[karish]

Quote: Kent0001

Why is it that there is artificially created Israel, and Syria that has existed for centuries should fall apart?

learn materiel

[MadCat]

Quote: Finches

I note that the foreign policy of GDP, unlike the United States, is extremely flexible - we are actively participating in the Syrian mess, but relations with Turkey are restored, they are also equal with the Kurds, Iran, almost a partner, Egypt, the same, Arab sheikhs fly to Moscow, but Netanyahu does not get out of Sochi ... Yes, Iraq, completely controlled by the USA, is looking at the distant twinkling of Kremlin stars!

And most importantly, it doesn’t mean anything yet! Arabs go to beg for money, Nenanyahu is involved in indirect negotiations, and all are soooo “love” each other

[Lexus]

Herculesic . I remember, literally on New Year's Eve, I recommended that Verba be provided with independent Taliban air traffic controllers to test and practice effective use. So, some bile splattered me on the forum, saying that it’s not human, "what if", etc.
And what we have now. While we are trying with this star-striped swine in a good, human way - we will take out the knives from our backs. For the hedgehog is understandable - “Stingers” brought against us.

[LSA57]

Military units of the Kurdish militia in Syria under the “secret agreement” received from the United States a batch of man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS)

if eo is true, then this is very serious. the first downed Turkish plane and the unpredictable begins. Moreover, these MANPADS are likely to spread to other barmales and then there will already be a threat to our VKS

[Same lech]

if eo is true, then this is very serious. the first downed Turkish plane and the unpredictable begins.

Will not start ...
there was already a similar story with the Kurds shot down by a TURKEY helicopter.

[LSA57]

Quote: The same LYOKHA

there was already a similar story with the Kurds shot down by a TURKEY helicopter.

Well, once forgiven, the second time may already not ride

[INVESTOR]

The same terrorists as in Chechnya were.

[Vard]

Sometimes it seems that the Yankees always choose the worst scenario ... First of all, for themselves ...

[Skay]

And who are you going to shoot down?

[LSA57]

Quote: Skay

And who are you going to shoot down?

probably UFO

[Fedorov]

Whom they see, they will bring down. There, "friend or foe" does not work.
I grew up near military airfields, it happened. Well, there is a maximum of 15 seconds to make a decision, if not a helicopter and an ambush. They fly very fast.
And as I say POShnik, it’s not so easy to knock down, while you’ll pile up this “fool” on your shoulder, until you realize that it’s already gone. An observer needs to be competent. In the exercises, when the Su-25 “falls” on you, you want to crap and run.

[LSA57]

Quote: Fedorov

Whom they see, they will bring down. There, "friend or foe" does not work.

Well, as in the war 08. 08. 08. in South Ossetia.
as OO wrote, Ossetians shot down several of our aircraft

[Fedorov]

There is always a mess.
Few people know what happened there during the USSR.
I lived in Vladikavkaz as a kid then. So the local civil war was. Helicopters circled, traces of bullets and shells are still on the houses. While the BTR-BMP did not surround a couple of villages and took everyone to an unknown destination, I think to Siberia. And my father, on duty, participated in this.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Fedorov

And as I say POShnik, it’s not so easy to knock down, while you’ll pile up this “fool” on your shoulder, until you realize that it’s already gone. An observer needs to be competent.

good old Russian word ambush. if you know the elevation routes, there are no problems. (from where there is another topic) the Turks SU 24 were shot down not from the kandachka (example) fu16 was waiting-munching.

[Fedorov]

Your truth. But even from an ambush, 2 missiles are supposed to be, Mi-24 or Su-25 is not so easy to shoot down. Tenacious. Even in Afghanistan, there was not a single case that a cabin had been pierced. And I have a couple of retirement pilots (Afghans) who are not close to me, such as consultants

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Fedorov

. And I have a couple of retirement pilots (Afghans) who are not close to me, such as consultants

health to them and greetings with a bow from the Urals. Pence - our people ...

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Skay

And who are you going to shoot down?

There was information (back in December) that Kurds from small arms fired Russian helicopters.
Now there is MANPADS ...

In general, whom the owners order, they will bring down ...

[Simon]

Well, here again, the Americans are fueling a war in Syria. You need to drive them out of there.

[Separ DNR]

Quote: Simon

Well, here again, the Americans are fueling a war in Syria. You need to drive them out of there.

How ?
The political leadership of Russia "poked" the opportunity to initially prevent the Americans from appearing there, now "dry the brains", how to "pick them out" ...

[rotmistr60]

received from the United States a batch of man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS)

The Americans presented a gift to their NATO ally. This once again suggests that the Americans absolutely do not give a damn about some "allies" on paper, and most importantly, achieve the goal in any way, even through possible losses of the so-called. "allies." Applause and happy faces of Poles, Balts, Romanians, Bulgarians ... through which the Americans will also step over if necessary.

[Normal ok]

Quote: rotmistr60

The Americans presented a gift to their NATO ally.

Having such allies as Erdogan, and enemies do not. And Russia needs to remember this. Turkey, for example, is actively cooperating with the military-industrial complex with Ukraine, which clearly does not fit into "friendly" relations with Russia.

[Simon]

Quote: Skay

And who are you going to shoot down?

So it looks like Turks

[Mountain shooter]

What is typical behavior of the Yankees? The fact that they never (very rarely) admit defeat ... And now, in a hopeless position, having a completely isolated enclave, they play any cards, bluff, try to use the little ones, plaster them slightly, and mix with the Kurds with whom they cut each other ... Wang, this will not help. More likely to lose their influence in Iraq ...

[uav80]

Quote: DEZINTO

No longer dragging what is happening there, the Kurds, Turks, Syrians, ousting these, they are arming those ..... poor Syria.
I'm confused!!!

[FLOOD]

The attack on the Russian air base may indicate that the Assad regime’s forces and the Iranians assisted in this operation, possibly in order to put pressure on Moscow, take revenge on it and humiliate it in Syria due to disagreements in the process of “sharing production”. This explanation of the shooting of the Khmeimim airbase is published by the Syrian online resource Baladi news. The area in which everything happened is directly related to the Assad regime, reminds Baladi news (translated by Inosmi.ru). Alavite and Shiite militias, loyal to the Syrian regime and Iran, which directly include members of the Assad family, are active in the territory around the Russian base. This means that the shelling could not have happened without the consent and assistance of members of these militia units. The fact is that local armed forces had to ensure the security of territories adjacent to the base. “And it is impossible to imagine that the source of the launch of mortar shells was not installed. At least the locals should definitely know who was involved in the organization of the attacks, ”Syrian sources say. At the same time, Syrian observers predict a tightening of control over the area around the Khmeimim base, as well as an increase in mistrust between Russians and Syrians. The shelling of the Khmeimim airbase can lead to qualitative changes in relations between Russia and various militia units in Syria, Baladi news suggests.
http://www.ng.ru/armies/2018-01-09/100_syria09011
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Interesting article ...

[cedar]

Quote: TUFAN

The attack on the Russian air base may indicate that the Assad regime’s forces and the Iranians assisted in this operation, possibly in order to put pressure on Moscow, take revenge on it and humiliate it in Syria due to disagreements in the process of “sharing production”. This explanation of the shooting of the air base Hmeimim publishes the Syrian Internet resource Baladi news.

Many two-legged people dream of driving a wedge between Moscow and Damascus, and not only dream, but, as we see, they act ...

[gukoyan]

Oh, a grand mess will be soon.
If only these MANPADS did not look towards our aviation!

[Strips]

I hope the Kurds set the heat on the Turks if they climbed.

[Labor]

To be honest, I'm for Kurdistan. It may simply be autonomy within Syria and Iraq. It seems to me if this happens then in Turkey everything with the Kurds will finally be quieter. They will simply dump autonomy from there. The main thing is that the Yankees there do not steer too much.

[protoss]

dumped into autonomy? in Turkey they have many times higher standard of living.

[Alex-a832]

So that the United States does not expel from the region, they need land, just squeeze the land - a natural military annexation. In order to give at least some semblance of decency, they need stpdo rams, which they will "protect" from the same evil Assad. Moreover, in parallel, whether this herd will be determined by ethnic (Kurds), political ("opposition"), or religious signs. The second and third option they did not go, it remains to work with the Kurds. In order for the Kurds not to fall “under the wing” of another ally, it is necessary that there be as much blood as possible between the Kurds and everyone else, so there will be many provocations of Kurdish clashes with other forces in the region, there will be many deliveries of weapons from the USA, terrorist attacks on behalf of the Kurds, or maybe by the Kurds themselves, prepared by the hands of the Americans, attempts to proclaim an independent Kurdistan in the eastern lands of Syria. Under the striped, the Kurds have no chance to hold out for too long. The latter never helped the wards to build statehood, only visibility. They are satisfied only with puppet power. And it will not be profitable - they will merge at a time or they will finish, peacekeepers are figs. The only chance of coursework is to send the Jankers to the forest and negotiate with the locals.

[bratchanin3]

Adjacent (except Israel) states and Russia with Syria to fight the Kurds. I think that the Kurds have signed a stay in the historical future for themselves by not cooperating with their neighbors. Kurds position themselves as a destructive factor.

[Normal ok]

Quote: bratchanin3

Adjacent (except Israel) states and Russia with Syria to fight the Kurds. I think that the Kurds have signed a stay in the historical future for themselves by not cooperating with their neighbors. Kurds position themselves as a destructive factor.

Just the neighbors (Turkey, Iran, Iraq) are the historical oppressors of the Kurds. But the USSR at one time supported the Kurds. What can not be said about capitalist Russia.

[Normal ok]

So they waited. Soon we will see the downed Turkish F16.

[Crane operator Nahamkinson]

Hezbollah somebody else MANPADS
would have thrown it.
Then not only
F-16 shot down saw.
But a bunch of other F, such as the F-15, F-35.
And other vultures.

[voyaka uh]

They have a long time. But smart ones are not substituted for MANPADS. There are all sorts
precautions not to be hit.

[Wolka]

now it’s just that Erdogan will not rock the boat, although he will growl and bark ... it’s time for the Kurds to invite and decide to negotiations in Astana ...

[tihonmarine]

A new round of expansion against Syria begins, ISIS will be renamed, armed with Kurds, put MANPADS, PTK and heavy weapons. Dolbanut in Turkey and Syria, well, again, off and on.