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School is under attack. What are the causes of the Perm tragedy?

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The terrible events in the Perm school didn’t really excite Russian society. Usually similar news we are used to getting from the United States, where schoolchildren are attacking their teachers and fellow practitioners very often. But now our country is faced with a similar problem.


The working day of Monday 15 January in Perm was already in full swing when two masked men, armed with knives, broke into secondary school No. 127. They pounced on the first schoolchildren who came in - fourth grade students. Got and teacher. And the injuries were inflicted professionally - beaten in the neck. Fifteen people were injured, three of them, including two children and a teacher, were seriously injured. Mostly young children suffered - fourth grade students 2006 and 2007. Then the attackers snapped at each other and staged a stabbing among themselves. Later, law enforcement officers issued a press release, which stated the version that two teenagers staged a fight with the use of knives, and the teacher and other children tried to separate the fighters, as a result of which they were injured.

School is under attack. What are the causes of the Perm tragedy?


School number 127, located in the Motovilikhinsky district of Perm, is considered one of the best not only in the city, but in the entire Perm region. The specificity of this educational institution lies in the fact that here at the I — III stages of education, English and French are studied in depth, as well as subjects of the artistic and aesthetic cycle. Naturally, at that time many “best people” of Perm and the Perm Territory studied in such a school. This strange and tragic incident seems even more surprising.

We must pay tribute to the operational services: they reacted quickly and efficiently. Both attackers were detained. Established and their identities. The organizer of the attack was called 16-year-old Leo. Since the young man is a minor, we will not publish his personal data and photograph. It is known that Lev studied in the 127 school earlier, remained in his second year.

The page on the social network shows a very strange interests and hobbies of a teenager. For example, on the page hangs a video about the attack on the Columbine school that occurred in the United States in the distant 1999 year. Then, as a result of the attack of two armed students, 13 people died, and about 30 people were injured of varying degrees of severity. Interestingly, Lev has repeatedly spoken in social networks with offensive attacks against the Russian state, calling Russia a “country of slaves,” and he showed sympathy for the opposition movements. The accomplice of Lev B. was 16-year-old Alexander, a student in the 11 class of the school.

Naturally, the attack in the Perm school immediately caused a number of questions to the Russian society. It is clear that high-ranking officials - and the Perm administration, and the Russian Ministry of Education and Science, and the Ministry of the Interior - now say that they are keeping the situation under personal control. It is clear that the attackers, who are in the hospital, will be brought to criminal responsibility, and then either will be recognized as irresponsible, or sent to colonies for juvenile delinquents. But the question is not so much what to do with these specific young criminals, but how to ensure the safety of the Russian school, Russian children from the possible repetition of such antics.

A century ago, schools were perhaps the safest place. Attacking children, taking them hostage did not occur to even the most radical and dangerous terrorists of the late XIX - early XX centuries. People of the Population, anarchists, Social Revolutionaries, nationalists shot and blew up the ruling monarchs and members of their families, generals, ministers, ordinary policemen, bankers and businessmen, but they did not think about the attack on children. The situation began to change in the second half of the twentieth century, when ordinary people became the bargaining chip for terrorists. In the 1990-2000-s in the Russian Federation a large number of terrorist attacks occurred, hundreds of civilians, including children, were killed. But this is the activity of terrorist organizations, which is at least predictable. It is much worse when pupils themselves attack schools, which we observed until recently in the USA, and now we can, unfortunately, see in our own country.



In Perm, immediately after the incident, an operational headquarters headed by the Perm Governor Maxim Reshetnikov gathered in the 127 school. Officials consulted and decided to tighten the requirements for security companies, ensuring the safety of schools in the region. However, we all understand what a school is and how difficult it is to ensure the real security of the institution and its children. Firstly, highly professional and numerous guards are very expensive. The average security guard - a pensioner or a peasant of pre-retirement age - will simply not be able to cope with a criminal targeting an armed attack on a school. Hire a whole security service staffed by professionals, the vast majority of Russian schools can not and can never. Yes, and it is hardly possible to turn the school into a “police object”, the entrance to which will be carried out through the framework of a metal detector under the strict views of professional security guards.

The Children's Rights Commissioner under the President of the Russian Federation, Anna Kuznetsova, asks rhetorical questions - how the armed criminals ended up at the school, why nobody stopped them, why the prevention of the commission on minors, where there was security, and so on did not work. But all this - ordinary duty phrases. In fact, everyone understands that the 60-year-old retiree janitor will not be able to detain young criminals. Even if he promptly calls the police, until an immediate response team arrives, the criminals will have enough time to commit atrocities - after all, shooting or stabbing is minutes, even seconds. Juvenile commissions work poorly in the country. Everyone knows that for juvenile offenders and criminals the law is very soft. Sometimes even violent criminals who have committed such dangerous crimes as robbery, robbery, rape are left free.

In 2014, a similar Permian stories The incident occurred in Moscow. Pupil of the tenth grade of school number 263, Sergei G. rushed into the school, armed with firearms weapons, he shot the geography teacher, took the students hostage, and when the police arrived at the school, he shot one of the police officers. However, the murderer did not bear the deserved punishment - he was placed in a psychiatric clinic. His father, against whom criminal proceedings were instituted after the incident under article 224 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (“careless storage of firearms”), was fully amnestied in 2015 year.

President Vladimir Putin then stressed that the tragedy in the Moscow school could not have happened if the younger generation developed their aesthetic tastes and needs more. But can music schools or art circles influence the “street children” or lonely psychopaths whose problems are rooted in psyche, in a dysfunctional family environment, in bad relationships with teachers or other students?

As we see, for almost four years that have passed since the tragedy in school number 263 of Moscow, the proper conclusions have not been made. Officials talk about prevention, education of patriotic and aesthetic values, without asking much more important questions, namely, creating conditions for the inevitability of punishment for murderers and any other criminals regardless of their age (of course, this is about those who can already be involved criminal liability), social status of parents, etc., more serious attention to the psychological atmosphere in school groups, among students, to the psychological state of the students themselves, especially About if they are brought up in "crisis", problem families.

By the way, in many schools, the positions of psychologists-teachers and social teachers, who dealt specifically with “problem” students, could at least draw the attention of the school administration or the commission on juvenile affairs to students who are prone to aggression, to illegal behavior or, conversely experiencing problems with adaptation in the school team.

Another important problem has a socio-pedagogical character. In the post-Soviet decades in Russia there was a tremendous devaluation of the old moral and ethical values, among which was the respect for the teacher, for the teacher. The teacher's profession under the influence of both economic (low wages) and socially prestigious (lack of real social influence, low status in society) factors ceased to be valued, respect for the teacher from parents and from students decreased to a minimum. It is enough to analyze the comments under any articles devoted to school problems in order to understand how dismissively Russian society treats teachers.

Teachers have become “extreme” who owe everything to school principals and superiors from the district, parents of students, and even students themselves. Now schoolchildren who are not able to learn an elementary program allow themselves to criticize teachers, to accuse them of allegedly teaching incorrectly or lacking proper knowledge. Naturally, this situation has become possible because in the families of the students there is also no respect for the teachers. Teachers began to be perceived as attendants, owing for penny salaries not only to teach children, but also to endure their whims, hooligan tricks, rudeness of parents. Naturally, this situation affects the overall psychological atmosphere in the Russian school.

Meanwhile, the prerequisites for disrespecting teachers, the fall of the prestige of the teaching profession are formed "at the top." The state that assesses the work of a teacher with a higher education as a payment is guilty in this case, and the janitor, a guest worker, and regional and municipal officials, for whom the teacher is “always wrong,” will not agree to work. Seeing this attitude of the state towards teachers, parents are also “dismissed”, who are beginning to openly threaten teachers, trying to accuse them of the fact that children do not have enough intellectual resources to master the school curriculum. The manners of the parents are adopted by the students themselves. It is clear that scumbags or madmen who are able to break into a school with knives are encountered at any time and in any countries, but the problems of school education security in Russia are much deeper and more serious.



Recently, the spread of new youth subcultures of a criminal nature (the so-called “AUE” subculture - “The arresting way of unity”) has been discussed at the highest level in educational institutions in a number of Russian regions. These subcultures are most common in Eastern Siberia, primarily in the Trans-Baikal Territory, the Irkutsk Region. According to the law enforcement agencies, criminal youth subcultures covered orphanages and boarding schools, vocational schools, and most secondary schools. Educators and even police inspectors for juvenile affairs cannot cope with the proliferation of a subculture that idealizes the criminal world and the criminal way of life.

However, as practice shows, outbreaks of violence, like Perm’s stabbing or shooting at a Moscow school, are usually not related to the activities of such subcultures. Criminal subcultures to the constant activity of groups that impose a tribute to students, and members of these groups are more likely to commit crimes of a general nature - theft, robbery, hijacking of vehicles, fights. As for attacks on the school with weapons, such a model of action is more characteristic of eccentric "loners" offended by the world around them, often inventing even whole worldview systems permeated with contempt for other people and a cult of violence.

Olga Vasilyeva, Minister of Education and Science of Russia, received an instruction from Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev to go to Perm and deal with all the circumstances of the incident on the spot. But this visit is unlikely to entail any changes in the system of Russian school education and the upbringing of the younger generations. Orders, decrees and meetings can not be remedied by the deplorable situation - more extensive measures are needed, moreover, taken in close connection with other measures of a social and economic nature.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 16 January 2018 05: 56
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    The entire education system needs to be reviewed and changed, including teacher fees and school security. And it’s also tougher to take on the so-called students who do not want to study outside the door with a certificate of a moron with which this person could no longer go anywhere. And working with parents, on whom a lot also depends on the normal education of children, is also important.
    1. Vard
      Vard 16 January 2018 06: 00
      15
      Parents should at least occasionally look into social networks ... They’re not interested in cats ... But what do their children live ...
      1. insular
        insular 16 January 2018 07: 44
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        Quote: Vard
        Parents should at least occasionally look into social networks ... They’re not interested in cats ... But what do their children live ...

        What is the use of troubled parents monitoring the same troubled children?

        In our dear country, there are two problems - these are “they are children” and “I am the mother” of these same “they are children”. This is already a well-known fact, but few people know that there is still a misfortune of pensioners of grannies - malicious robbers of city beds and furious defenders of the first two problems.

        Because of “I’m mothers” and “good-natured grannies”, it became just scary to chase vandal minors (they are children), and in the evening after 18 hours, I don’t let my wife go for a walk with a stroller even to a square adjacent to the yard. There are reasons.
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          1. insular
            insular 16 January 2018 08: 04
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            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            This massacre primarily shows clear problems in the upbringing of the younger generation.

            This is the result of a lost generation of the 80s, who now became the parents of the very generation that is now weird.
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            Social inequality and the substitution of life-affirming concepts for thirst for fame, freebies, aimless burning of days

            I fully agree. When I heard about the Dulles Plan long ago, I laughed at utopia, now I am scared from the truth.
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 16 January 2018 08: 06
              +9
              Quote: insular
              When I heard about the Dulles Plan long ago, I laughed at utopia, now I am scared from the truth.

              Really similar to the implementation of the Dulles plan.
            2. Bulrumeb
              Bulrumeb 16 January 2018 10: 01
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              This is the result of a lost generation of the 80s, who now became the parents of the very generation that is now weird.

              partly agree with you here. The wife works at school, and so the old teachers say that those who studied at the time of their youth now bring the same children and grandchildren, this time. Two, the fact that so many parents now act on the principle that I brought you a child, so you bring up. And an even bigger problem is that those deficiencies, incl. registered in psychiatric hospitals, which previously studied in special schools, now study in ordinary schools, because as you see, studying in a special school violates their rights.
              And in general, they made it incomprehensible from the school that, the maintenance personnel who have no rights, are only responsible.
              1. Alena Frolovna
                Alena Frolovna 16 January 2018 10: 47
                +4
                The post of a local (Permian) specialist in working with new religious movements (sects), Evgeny Oshmarin. There is something to ponder the powerful ...

                «Who is guilty?!

                To the phrase who is to blame and what to do, he answered correctly, our genius Dostoevsky, "everyone is to blame for everyone!"

                In today's tragic era, the phrase does not sound: "I gave birth to you, I will kill you." Today, this phrase sounds new - you gave birth to us, we will kill you!
                Children abandoned and forgotten by us returned to us from the streets.

                In this chaos of information aggression, false values ​​and concepts that fall upon the children's consciousness, for some reason we are again talking about the consequences, but we are afraid to say or name the cause. We are again looking for the guilty and are afraid to admit that we are all to blame.

                The forgotten teenagers who staged a bloody massacre in Perm had idols who were once able to arrange a massacre at an American school. Two Perm Raskolnikov, thank God, could not fully realize the plans of their heroes.

                The bell is ringing too quietly so that we can wake up, realize, understand and see why our children are running from us to the streets, to sects, to drugs, suicides, crimes, nowhere! Let everyone ask from himself ...».

                In the photo there is a car of high school students, which stood near the school in which our children are studying.
          2. Antianglosax
            Antianglosax 16 January 2018 11: 05
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            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            This massacre in the first place shows clear problems in the education of the younger generation. Social inequality and the substitution of life-affirming concepts for the thirst for glory, freebies, aimless burning of days - this is what gives rise to what happened in Perm.

            This is a direct consequence of the actions of the liberal mattresses after the collapse of the USSR. What cannot be monetized is not necessary - this is the motto of the fetid liberalist shobla, who destroyed the USSR and shook Russia. The saddest thing is that if the SYSTEM is not fundamentally changed in Russia, the country will have no chance of survival.
            1. ando_bor
              ando_bor 16 January 2018 11: 46
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              Change the system - they will live a little longer, they will shoot in the army, as in the Union,
              then in the army constantly massacres happened.
            2. Sapiens 63
              Sapiens 63 16 January 2018 11: 47
              +2
              I wanted to ask the shoble until 2000, everything collapsed, or from 2000 to today, everything is falling apart? And does the people vote for it all this time, or maybe for whom else?
              1. your1970
                your1970 17 January 2018 15: 42
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                Quote: Sapiens 63
                I wanted to ask the shoble until 2000, everything collapsed, or from 2000 to today, everything is falling apart? And does the people vote for it all this time, or maybe for whom else?
                -parents - not able to flog their children for misconduct, too, the shobla collapsed ??? !!!!
                As always - "The damned officials ruined everything !!!" and nothing else...
          3. the most important
            the most important 16 January 2018 16: 57
            +3
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            And Leo also seems to be a drug addict.

            Naturally and expectedly what happened. The system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs has collapsed by a quasi-reformer ... But for a long time, it has been a long time to give a damn about the formation of power. Try to go to any administration or to any official. At the entrance they will search ... interrogate ... write down and then they will not start the window with the reception of the application. But even before entering the office, as another line of defense, the secretary sits. This is security! This is the priority! And the parents collect themselves for protection in schools.
            1. sapporo1959
              sapporo1959 16 January 2018 20: 32
              +1
              There are servants of the people, and there it’s not clear whose children it’s why the approach is the same. Yes, and the salary gap between the officials knows what the teachers and teachers are very enormous. every month...
          4. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 17 January 2018 09: 32
            +2
            How terrible it was in the USSR, there was not even protection in schools there !!!!
            And what do you want, such cases are just a mandatory free appendix to the "freedom" of democracy and liberalism, you know the rest. I don’t see anything surprising in what happened, no matter how cynical it was. The "terrible" Soviet propaganda on political information told us about such cases. Now this is not a wonder with us, because from there we were brought this "freedom". Many simply cannot realize that "freedom" is just that.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 16 January 2018 08: 05
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          . especially if they are brought up in "crisis", problem families.

          And if in Russia these crisis problem families are half? Due to the difficult financial situation. Where does 100% normal families come from when the country has 30 million below the poverty line? When there are no free sports sections to keep teenagers busy! And adolescents themselves observe the most acute social inequality, even by the standards of capitalism. And who assigns a beggarly salary to teachers and doctors in our country, and if someone is not satisfied, then sends to go into business?
          Acute social disorder, children and their parents, on the one hand, and teachers, on the other, are the main source of current and future upheavals in the school.
          The problem is systemic and the authorities prefer not to see it, not to take responsibility. By simply tightening the screws, strengthening security, educating ... the systemic problem cannot be solved.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 08: 19
            +2
            I recently argued with one lady on another site. 90's child. So she has such a position that man-to-man is a wolf. And he did not convince.
          2. the most important
            the most important 16 January 2018 20: 54
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            Quote: Stas157
            The problem is systemic and the authorities prefer not to see it,

            But is there at least one problem with the country and the people that the government has managed to solve ????
          3. gaura
            gaura 17 January 2018 05: 42
            +1
            The point is not primarily in the poverty line. In my classroom, one of the richest guys served a robbery. It's not about poverty at all. The point is the goal toward which the country is heading, the ideology that we were forbidden to have. Since they have not shown a higher goal, it means that people invent lower goals themselves
          4. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 17 January 2018 09: 34
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            About the social environment, you are 100% right. About capitalism, too. And who should raise children? Capitalism? State? Only the terribly totalitarian USSR brought up children in schools. Are you not a parent?
          5. your1970
            your1970 17 January 2018 15: 51
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            And if in Russia these crisis problem families are half? Due to the difficult financial situation. Where does 100% normal families come from when the country has 30 million below the poverty line? When there are no free sports sections to keep teenagers busy! And adolescents themselves observe the most acute social inequality, even by the standards of capitalism. And who assigns a beggarly salary to teachers and doctors in our country, and if someone is not satisfied, then sends to go into business?
            Acute social disorder, children and their parents, on the one hand, and teachers, on the other, are the main source of current and future upheavals in the school.
            -at 1946 apparently there was silence and grace - when there wasn’t much to eat, when there weren’t any sections, when the teachers weren’t also wealthy people (the Soviet government never indulged teachers with high salaries), there was nowhere to live (there were half the country in ruins) when many had no parents at all ??? !!!
            Nevertheless, despite all the real hardships of that time, our grandfathers gave birth and raised our fathers to good people ...
            But we were no longer able to grow a worthy shift, and “Putin / ministers / bureaucrats /” has nothing to do with it, we got rid of ourselves, it’s only the parents who are to blame for everything their children do ...
            And how easy (and really want to !!) blame all the blame on anyone (except themselves !!!) - the minister, social networks, the Internet, the USA, the oligarchs ....
        3. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 16 January 2018 13: 48
          +6
          Yes, they had to be “dumped" there, as a warning to others, without any surrender to valiant law enforcement officers. With a subsequent demonstration on TV.
          In such cases, the method of "education" is one - forehead with green. And these are no longer people.
          1. gaura
            gaura 17 January 2018 05: 33
            +1
            And to whom to roll? Judging by the article, fourth-graders suffered there. and the media suddenly suddenly fell silent and again broadcast about "what's with the Ukrainians"
        4. Hoc vince
          Hoc vince 16 January 2018 14: 00
          +6
          Impunity breeds permissiveness. Children have clearly learned this. The priority of the rights of the criminal over the rights of the victim is clearly visible.
        5. CALL.
          CALL. 17 January 2018 04: 49
          0
          Leo repeatedly spoke on social networks with insulting attacks on the Russian state, calling Russia the "country of slaves", and showed sympathy for opposition movements.

          I recognize the hysterical cries of all Svanidze, Chubais, Sytinsky and other Zenchalovsky who regularly broadcast their hatred of "this country" on the central Russian TV channels. Is it time to protect them from the influence on the fragile worldview of young people and the entire population of Russia. And our "partners" take a lot of this into development.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 08: 21
        +6
        Quote: Vard
        Parents should at least occasionally look into social networks ... They’re not interested in cats ... But what do their children live ...

        in the 80s in the USSR there was a similar problem the center was Kazan, there were no social networks
      3. Cyril732017
        Cyril732017 16 January 2018 11: 44
        +2
        Parents are forced to survive, working 10-12 hours a day, in order to somehow make ends meet ...
    2. Finches
      Finches 16 January 2018 06: 21
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      This is an extremely serious incident! And, indeed, they did not become idiots overnight! But now you need to understand thoroughly what prompted them to do so, or indeed, mental deviations! It is quite possible that some adults are behind this ... In any case, parents must be responsible for the actions of their children! Until the age of 18, something that has been done, then mom and dad are going to jail - then some people will think about their upbringing and others will not just be in the habit of making children, but not studying, not following them! This son is not for the father answers - and the father is always responsible for the son!
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 January 2018 06: 38
        27
        School is under attack. What are the reasons for the Perm tragedy?
        fruits of the education system. made of children "sacred animals." they have all the “rights”, and the teacher is powerless. here is the result. OBORZELI in the region of "children." Break the system urgently, we are missing a generation.
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 January 2018 06: 49
          12
          I would not dramatize the situation like that! Children are different, most normal, and always have been problematic. Another conversation is that the number of problematic ones, especially in small towns, where they are mostly left to their own devices, as they have nothing to do, and their parents are either not prosperous, or they work on three jobs, is more! So they start to bunch together, many just fall under the influence of real scumbags! In any case, the chaos that happened in the 90s when street gangs of teenagers grew like mushrooms is already in the past!
          In this case, you need to specifically understand, draw conclusions, and not inflate the tragedy!
          By the way, when I see 15-17 year old teenagers screaming at Navalny and throwing stones at the riot police, instead of doing business, it seems to me that it would not hurt parents to think about what could come out of his child .... The point here is not even Leshenka, he is a puppet, but the fact that someone has already told these kids about permissiveness - they say, break the law and there will be nothing for you! So any child’s trick always has a culprit - it’s an adult and most often parents! That’s why I’m talking about the personal responsibility of mom and dad for the tricks of his us-pusi!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 07: 05
            +6
            Quote: Finches
            So any childish trick always has a culprit - it's an adult and most often parents!

            I do not agree! For example, three uncles raised me while my dad caught a herring in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. All my uncles are convicted. I always have a knife in my pocket, but there have never been stupid thoughts to stick it in someone’s neck. What for?
            1. Finches
              Finches 16 January 2018 07: 08
              +6
              So they educated you correctly!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 07: 13
                +5
                And how. laughing I’ve been with thieves. . And once all my uncles gathered, they still called out the grandfather of one, who had already served 32 years in the zone, and sent me their brains. Here it is. request
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 January 2018 07: 15
                  +5
                  They instilled concepts that you can’t be unchallenged! Here, it seems to me that something is with the children’s head, but once again I repeat, it didn’t happen overnight - here there should be demand from the parents!
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 07: 21
                    +3
                    Nah ... Habitat. Well, a moot point. I read something like Makarenko, because there she raised a commune. "Pedagogical poem". Have you read?
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 16 January 2018 07: 29
                      +7
                      I read it, since, albeit in the military sphere, I teach at the university! I won’t argue with you here - the environment has its own influences, but here’s an example from my own life: my high school friend, my best friend, I went to school and athletics together ..., in short, my friends, and after school: me army, military school ... but he is a thief-recidivist! And the habitat until the age of 18 was absolutely the same and the company was one! By the way, almost like yours ...
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 07: 34
                        +2
                        So I have a couple of friends in the police serving with big stars, and a couple of others - OER. As we drink together, the bark is solid, Petrosyan is resting. And nobody pokes at each other with knives.
                    2. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 16 January 2018 08: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Habitat

                      they now live on the Internet, and the Internet is advertising, and advertising gives rise to a feeling of acute dissatisfaction with life, hence the search for alternative solutions
                2. Stas157
                  Stas157 16 January 2018 08: 27
                  +5
                  Quote: Finches
                  So they educated you correctly!

                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  And how. laughing I’ve been with thieves. . And once all my uncles gathered, they still called out the grandfather of one, who had already served 32 years in the zone, and sent me their brains. Here it is. request

                  So you need to recruit from the prisons and the zone of "real" teachers! Having gone through a harsh "school of life", familiar with the concepts ... Would you give Zyablitsov yours for such training?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 08: 31
                    +4
                    Be a man, that’s all concepts.
          2. insular
            insular 16 January 2018 07: 57
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            I would not dramatize the situation like that!

            You are very wrong in your assessment, the situation is really critical.
            1. Finches
              Finches 16 January 2018 07: 58
              +8
              She is not critical at all - I work with the young generation and I see everything perfectly! hi

              There are problems! Many are connected with modern realities - the interests of boys and girls are different, but there have always been problems of this nature! "Fathers and Sons" of the 60s of the XNUMXth century! Ah, please excuse me, there were enough idiots at all times.
              1. insular
                insular 16 January 2018 08: 01
                +1
                Quote: Finches
                She is not critical at all - I work with the young generation and I see everything perfectly!

                Well, so far, those who work with the younger generation will not see clearly, the situation will continue to deteriorate. hi
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 January 2018 08: 15
                  +3
                  No offense - come, teach me how to work with him correctly, only I will say thanks!
                  1. insular
                    insular 16 January 2018 08: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: Finches
                    No offense - come, teach me how to work with him correctly, only I will say thanks!

                    I’m not saying that you (specifically you) are not working correctly (I just have no idea who you are), but now I’m saying that you don’t notice the magnitude of the problem (your words). Just as in the 90s there was no noticeable mass (total) teenage banditry (especially in the Far East), when every second teenager went to district or city grooms. Everything was covered up and covered or ignored with the grace of an ostrich.
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 08: 27
                    +2
                    We had one teacher in our school. It’s not clear how, but we fell in love with her as a whole class. And, like, she didn’t do anything special. request
              2. Stas157
                Stas157 16 January 2018 08: 37
                11
                Quote: Finches
                Nothing critical

                So DAM also thinks so! When the teachers complained to him of a difficult situation, he immediately found an elegant way out - to cut loot in business. And that’s all business! No critical situation, everything is far-fetched and sucked from the finger! Isn’t it, Zyablitsov?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 January 2018 08: 49
                  +8
                  We are discussing a specific situation, is not it Stas157?

                  Offhand, last year, our boys, Russian schoolchildren returned with gold from two prestigious international subject Olympiads in the world. In mathematics and physics! But, on this occasion, I did not notice an article on VO! How would an ordinary case, or what? Here, a tragedy occurred - you need to understand it and not start crying Yaroslavna and yours, Stas157, a favorite - "Putin is to blame!"
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 16 January 2018 08: 54
                    +4
                    Let’s continue to wear pink glasses and not see obvious problems? A terrible tragedy happened, and you are talking about gold medals, and that there is nothing "critical" ... You are a positive person! You should be sent to the parents of the affected children with your positive., They just support will not hurt.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 16 January 2018 09: 04
                      +7
                      I do not say that there is no problem! Enough! I mean, to inflate this tragedy, but you do not need to smear, inflate! Two juvenile scumbags burst into the school with knives - so you need to figure out who and why did not watch! First of all, parents!
                  2. insular
                    insular 16 January 2018 09: 02
                    +7
                    Quote: Finches
                    Offhand, last year

                    It’s wonderful, on a voyage, last year, I drove out a public company of teenagers (like teenagers, 16 years old, half a head taller than me, and I’m 182 cm and half wider each), who kindled coals for a hookah directly on a wooden floor ( !) shmal arbors on them from a gas cylinder. Immediately vodka, vino and girls with them. My wife, seeing how I was talking alone with this young nation’s foundation, called up a PPP outfit (by the way, it was 17.40 p.m. October, bright people on the street).
                    They arrived, walked around, but of course, at the sight of special vehicles, everyone who was in the park flowed around.
                    The police then directly stated to me that while they were skating around somewhere, their help was really needed ... And then I realized that hell one of them at that moment realized that it was literally a week before that, in that same square, there was a massive drunken brawl, and before that robbery.
                    Needless to say, a public place, new, just built, looks like after the fighting (and this is the city center, a good area).
                    Not a single law enforcement officer even realized that he blurted out. I hope you understand?
                    This is only one episode from REAL life, not your golden shots.

                    Where are the patrols? Where is public order protection? Who castrated the cops?
                    Quote: Finches
                    "Putin is to blame!"
                    Guess yourself?
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 16 January 2018 09: 11
                      +2
                      So what? It was the same at all times - there is always gop digging! To control everything, you need to call 50% of the population to the Russian Guard. What do you specifically offer, only without imagination?
                      I suggested - the personal responsibility of parents for the tricks of their children!
                      And you?
                      1. insular
                        insular 16 January 2018 09: 16
                        10
                        Quote: Finches
                        So what? It was the same at all times - there is always gop digging!

                        There have always been at least foot patrols. There were times - at every intersection there was a "uncle of a step"! Neither you nor the same police officers understood that perhaps another crime was prevented that evening. That's the way PPP police should work - to warn and guard, and not to go take pictures of corpses and record damage to the city.
                        Quote: Finches
                        What do you specifically offer, only without imagination?
                        It was just under the nose and my wife and I ran around the surrounding yards for a month collecting signatures with the demand to equip the square with video surveillance and assign a mandatory walking tour by police. They wrote a measure, to the governor, to the chief of police, except that they didn’t write directly to Putin. I went everywhere.
                        And now, a month ago, I read the news:
                        Zhdakayev Square in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk is "stuffed" with video cameras
                        The administration of Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk posted a tender on the procurement website for the supply and installation of technical equipment for outdoor video surveillance and control in the Zhdakayev Square. The contract value is 1,2 million rubles.

                        One BUT. There will be no foot patrols - there is no staff ...

                        Responsibility for crime and punishment should be understood. About the inevitability of punishment, even for an abandoned bull-calf past the urn, and only then will it be clean and beautiful. only then will those who are intoxicated by permissiveness be re-educated. Only when real penalties are imposed for insulting a teacher, will the children understand what is possible and what is not. In the meantime, only teachers are removed from their jobs,
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 09: 56
                        +7
                        Quote: Finches
                        To control everything - you need 50%

                        folly
                        excuse me, but during the Union the shot was a state of emergency union scale
                        anyone could enter the school and the protection was carried out by the woman Dusya, whom everyone was afraid of and even inveterate, that would smoke in the far corner
                      3. PPD
                        PPD 16 January 2018 12: 36
                        +2
                        50% is not needed. We need to do our job normally with the same Police and the National Guard. Personal responsibility. Oh well. Children in orphanages will only increase. If anyone tries to do this stupidity.
                        The real situation 2 weeks ago. A 10-year-old girl covered with snow with an ice. Morozov hospital 4 days. And then the commission on the deprivation of parental rights. For the fact that she got some kind of ice on the head. And this is not an isolated case.
                  3. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 16 January 2018 14: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Finches
                    Russian schoolchildren returned with "gold" from two prestigious international subject Olympiads in the world. In mathematics and physics!

                    remember exactly! the girl in mathematics gave an interview, and immediately admitted that she had received an invitation to America!
              3. Alex_59
                Alex_59 16 January 2018 08: 50
                +2
                Quote: Finches
                She is not critical at all - I work with the young generation and I see everything perfectly!

                Yes, our youth is great! I completely agree. She's just different. Yes, phones, social networks. Life is now what can you do. I recall the film "Such a guy lives" by Shukshin - there grandfathers in the hut, behind a glass of samagon, also grumbled that the youth were not the same, they were not the peasantry, but all they had on their mind were these "TVs". Nothing has changed, except for the word "TVs" - which now sounds like "Instagrams, YouTube, smartphones, social networks." And the people are the same. Old people grumble that "now it’s not like it used to be," and the youth is talented, and there are boobies.
              4. faridg7
                faridg7 16 January 2018 13: 45
                +4
                Do you work with the younger generation? Do not forget that your cadets are only a highly refined part of this generation. Come to work with us in Artyom, schools, almost any, hold on for a year?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 January 2018 20: 19
                  +1
                  I teach at a civil university and also at a civil college! hi And before that, he commanded a platoon, company, battalion ... I have, believe me, an idea of ​​today's youth!
                  1. faridg7
                    faridg7 17 January 2018 17: 38
                    +2
                    Quote: Finches
                    I teach at a civil university and also at a civil college!

                    Oh yes, that changes a lot. You work with the refined part of the younger generation.
                    Work at school with a simple teacher, where the parents believe that you owe them something and always try to squeeze them with something, the students are gathered in classes without looking at medical indications (someone thought that for a mentally retarded child, acknowledging him as being behind and learning in a correctional school, an infringement of his rights), the school administration (as well as the city’s department of public education) does not care about the organization of the educational process, but about positive reporting and effectiveness (which constantly leads to silence of student offenses and general impunity, moreover, teachers simply squeeze out high grades on study). Add to this the constant complaints and demands from representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (Teachers MUST provide a bunch of different data about students, parents, and participate in raids on dysfunctional families).
                    I would like to take a look at you after a year of work in a school, where a couple of classroom teachers will hang you, charge you with the repair and maintenance of classrooms (at the same time, without giving the mat. ), will give a load of hours of 40 (do not flatter yourself, there are a maximum of two classes in parallel, and even keep in mind that you will have several people in the classes for whom you will draw up separate training programs and lesson plans for each). Yes, here's another thing about bonus payments - they will be deprived of you: for trying to bring any dunce to KDN, for poor student performance and attendance, for unfilled paper magazines and diaries, and especially for unfilled electronic journals (despite the fact that the electronic journal system starts work is acceptable only by the middle of the school year and due to unqualified actions of administrators, the data array is often simply reset to zero).
                    By the way, it was once said that boobies were always in classes. Yes, but nowadays it was two or three people for 25-30 people. And now, with the flourishing of permissiveness and impunity, 3-4 more or less motivated students remained in the classrooms for 15-16 niribonymyasnyh and 3-4 outright criminals who set the atmosphere in the classroom.
            2. hohkn
              hohkn 16 January 2018 11: 19
              +2
              Quote: insular
              the situation is really critical.

              Especially at this school. Golden calf eyes closed. The question is, where does a lot of money go, which they collect from parents at this school it is on guard? And the school is elite. Either from this year, or from the next, children, even geographically related to this school, will not be able to study in it if the parents cannot pay. And this is not a gymnasium, but a school, albeit "with in-depth study ...". By the way, I did not see in-depth study there. Well, they give children English from first grade ... And the exhaust? From the seventh grade I transferred my daughter from this school to physical and mathematical. Although far from home, he drove every day. The same English is taught much better in the secondary school than in this "in-depth" school. But they don’t forget to collect money regularly. Moreover, in cash.
              The school also collected money. But there everyone knew what specific goals they were going for. School management regularly reported to parents. And money was collected only through Sberbank. Feel the difference?
          3. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 16 January 2018 21: 54
            +4
            By the way, when I see 15-17 year old teenagers screaming at Navalny and throwing stones at the riot police, instead of doing business, it seems to me that it would not hurt parents to think about what could come out of his child ....

            And by the way, what will the adherents of Navalny say on this site now? Leshprav?
        2. Basil50
          Basil50 16 January 2018 07: 04
          +4
          The author deliberately forgot how the * civilized * representatives of the nobility in the last century on the basis of gymnasiums organized military teams in the organization of the Civil War. Or how in the Baltic countries the Germans organized their * guardrooms * on the basis of educational institutions.
          During the Great Patriotic War, the Germans did not hesitate to take children hostage or hide behind women and children.
          Chechens adopted * advanced * terror methods from their European civilized curators. Therefore, they captured children and did not hesitate to kill women and children.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 16 January 2018 08: 59
            +2
            Quote: Vasily50
            Chechens adopted from their European civilized curators

            Instead of Chechens, it would be more correct to write: In Beslan, or in the Caucasus. And take hostages or kill the children of terrorists specially to cook
        3. dSK
          dSK 16 January 2018 07: 28
          0
          Hello Andrey Yuryevich!
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          miss the generation
          "In the social networks of the Russian segment, information is circulating that a teacher who received stab wounds while trying to stop the massacre in 127th school in Perm, died in intensive care. Her name is Natalia Shagulina, reports 59.ru. Her ex-student talked about that the teacher has established herself as selfless and capable of sacrificing her health and life to save children.Nataliya Vasilievna is a wonderful person and teacher, Shagulina, 46 years old.
          Later, the administrator of the VKontakte group, which included teenagers, tried to relieve themselves and the group of responsibility for their actions. The group is dedicated to the personalities, photographs and statements of teenagers - the authors of various school incidents of violence, cruelty and murder. "
          (Channel "Tsargrad" 20: 46., 15.01.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        4. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 16 January 2018 08: 16
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          fruits of the education system. made of children "sacred animals"

          in addition to the education system, there is also an environment with many factors - one of them is media. Advertising ... Cult of money, a huge number of TV shows with murders for money. Lack of understandable ideological values ​​(non-economic interests of the individual). I think that it’s not so much the education system as the media - the mass idiots of the media are to blame.
        5. Bulrumeb
          Bulrumeb 16 January 2018 10: 09
          +1
          made of children "sacred animals." they have all the “rights”, and the teacher is powerless.

          that's it. the teacher’s business is to give knowledge and designate the correct life guidelines. And the children got sick looking at their parents, who began to believe that the school owed them.
        6. Petr1968
          Petr1968 16 January 2018 16: 50
          0
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          fruits of the education system.

          Specifically, what is the miscalculation? What do you offer in return? Teachers of 100 thousand dollars and stuff not to offer.
        7. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 17 January 2018 09: 37
          0
          At the school where my children study, I observe the opposite. Some teachers frankly do not care about how children learn and what they do, which is openly stated at the meetings. Moreover, the children are quite diligent and built up by their parents.
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 16 January 2018 11: 11
        +4
        Herein lies one of the roots of evil. It is that “spine” that does not depend on either the political system or the economic structure, the “spine” a level higher — from the system of values ​​of society, the real system of values. The bottom line is the planned irresponsibility of adolescence by law. Criminal liability should be from 12 years. After 12 years, it was no longer a "small child", in Russia it was previously thought, but a man fully aware of his actions. But this is a word about the “whip”. The whip does not work without a carrot. And the "gingerbread" the current society with the ideology of the supremacy of "dough" can not produce by nature. The educational work in schools that was under the Union was one-sided, utilitarian and ideological, but it was! Parents both plowed at the "construction site of life" and plow - nothing has changed. But the state has withdrawn from upbringing of generations - we have monetization methods in high esteem! What can the state offer? - The ideology of statehood is simply not there. Summary: this is a problem of adult society, and school is only a private section of this problem.
      3. Lanaozer
        Lanaozer 16 January 2018 14: 53
        0
        Quote: Finches
        This son is not responsible for the father - and the father is always responsible for the son!


        Unfortunately, not always ..., especially if the father abandoned this son alone with his mother in infancy, moreover, renouncing parental rights (((
    3. raw174
      raw174 16 January 2018 06: 50
      +2
      Quote: Spartanez300
      who doesn’t want to study outside the door with a certificate of a moron with which this person could no longer go anywhere

      Then the second side arises: there will be 5 percent, or even more, of those with references, with an objective approach ... if they are not immediately placed in "state institutions", then they will join the ranks of criminals. and if placed, then will we become a country of colonies and reservations?
      1. Northern warrior
        Northern warrior 16 January 2018 23: 38
        0
        It can be used as cannon fodder in local conflicts. If a person likes to fight, then let it do in the interests of the country.
        1. raw174
          raw174 17 January 2018 06: 07
          0
          Quote: Northern warrior
          It can be used as cannon fodder in local conflicts. If a person likes to fight, then let it do in the interests of the country.

          )))) smiled. It seems that even Hitler did not do this ... Yes, and there will not be much benefit from them, only big losses that are not needed.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 17 January 2018 09: 39
            0
            Hitler is just an unsuccessful Anglo-Saxon project, and they know better that idiots need to be destroyed in conflicts, their ideology, time without war, lost time.
          2. Northern warrior
            Northern warrior 17 January 2018 10: 24
            0
            Kadyrovtsev is used in Syria, although it is full of former militants. If a prisoner has a choice between a tower and the opportunity to atone for his blood, in 99,9% of cases he will make the right choice. I would destroy the most stubborn and non-trained, and the rest in a meat grinder. If they kill, then the loss is small, and if they start to bring down all indiscriminately - this is a war ...
            1. raw174
              raw174 17 January 2018 13: 02
              0
              Quote: Northern warrior
              Kadyrovtsev is used in Syria, although it is full of former militants. If a prisoner has a choice between a tower and the opportunity to atone for his blood, in 99,9% of cases he will make the right choice. I would destroy the most stubborn and non-trained, and the rest in a meat grinder. If they kill, then the loss is small, and if they start to bring down all indiscriminately - this is a war ...

              Everything was mixed up in the Oblomovs' house ... Let's separate the militants from the mentally unstable people. Kadyrovtsy are warriors, even if they once fought against the federals. Yes, and convicts are not always unbalanced ...
              1. Northern warrior
                Northern warrior 18 January 2018 00: 25
                0
                So these idiots in the expense had to be allowed for an attack on police officers with knives. I spoke of those convicts who are adequate and who want to atone for their guilt in battle.
    4. Chertt
      Chertt 16 January 2018 06: 56
      14
      Quote: Spartanez300
      The entire education system needs to be reviewed and changed

      This is a half measure. You cannot change one piece of the puzzle without touching the rest. In Russia, a school is a section of society with all its "diseases." Until Our country embarks on the path of the "Social Society", where the man of science and work will be valued, not the huckster, there will not be any positive changes
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 08: 29
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        Until Our country embarks on the path of the "Social Society", where the man of science and work will be valued, not the huckster, there will not be any positive changes

        this situation has nothing to do with "social society"
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 16 January 2018 08: 52
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          this situation has nothing to do with "social society"

          Somehow you are pointlessly categorical. The foundations of society, its way of life, goals, meanings, are relevant to all processes, external and especially internal
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 09: 49
            +1
            Quote: Chertt
            Somehow you are pointlessly categorical.

            crime has always been, regardless of social relations, it can be reduced, but not defeated
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 16 January 2018 10: 01
              +6
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              crime has always been

              You need to read the whole article, it is not about crime, but about social "ill health." The author points out that the School in Russia-the USSR has always been a safe place, since it used unconditional authority
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 11: 44
                0
                we are talking about crime, juvenile delinquency, the involvement of adolescents in the criminal environment, and recruitment
        2. andrew42
          andrew42 16 January 2018 11: 16
          +1
          And here it is. This is exactly the level from which the disease of society is treated - the conceptual level. I explain: lower on the step - ideological. Even lower: political. To punish for crimes, and in the "children's" case this is a very sensitive issue, you need to first clean up among adults. And the latter is inseparable from social justice, and of course is unattainable with enormous social inequality.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 04
            +1
            Quote: andrew42
            case this is a very sensitive issue, you need to first clean up among adults. And the latter is inseparable from social justice, and of course is unattainable with enormous social inequality.

            social justice to the criminal environment is not by any means, you need to cut a ram for thieves, we will leave tales about robbinguds, noble thieves
            just the criminal world needs to be kept in check
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 08: 20
      0
      Quote: Spartanez300
      with a certificate of a moron with which this person could no longer act

      but many don’t need to, stole, sat, left, it suits them
      you need to fight not with adolescents, members of groups, but with leadership that has financial benefits from this and remains in the shadows
    6. kapitan92
      kapitan92 16 January 2018 08: 39
      13
      Unfortunately, our society impresses its own kind. Money, money, money are the basic values ​​of modern Russian society. What we sowed from "democratic" seeds is what we get.
      President Vladimir Putin then emphasized that there could have been no tragedy in a Moscow school if the younger generation had more developed its aesthetic tastes and needs.

      And the Guarantor is informed how much it costs to develop aesthetic tastes in Russia? In the USSR, circles, sections, music schools, etc. were free! Now it costs a lot of money, in many families it is an exorbitant burden on the budget. There remains a "street", and there its own laws and rules. hi
    7. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 16 January 2018 09: 03
      +1
      Quote: Spartanez300
      The entire education system needs to be reviewed and changed

      God forbid All change. Gradually, something to add, something to clean, study, and most importantly, provide for the personal responsibility of officials for miscalculations in the system
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 16 January 2018 11: 03
        +9
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: Spartanez300
        The entire education system needs to be reviewed and changed
        God forbid change everything

        Why forbid to change? Everything has long been changed. Look at the TV, look at the textbooks, look at moral guidelines. Who in our country wants to become a combiner, miner or paramedic in the taiga outback, if propaganda simply yells from all channels, magazines, newspapers: "ENRICH yourself by any means and to hell with an unnecessary CONSCIENCE"? lol lol lol
    8. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 16 January 2018 10: 41
      +7
      Quote: Spartanez300
      And it’s also tougher to take on the so-called students who do not want to study outside the door with a certificate of a moron with which this person could no longer go anywhere

      Gee, gee ... lol
      In our country, in which even ministers buy academic degrees for themselves, and then “theirs” suit them for positions?
      Until they stop covering “their second year-olds” from the very top, and everyone begins to abide by the law, without exception, there will be no inevitable punishment for violating this law, nor will the horseradish change.
      Although we all wanted changes in Choi in the 90s, in Soviet ideology? You need to beware of your “Wishlist”, and suddenly they will come true, but not as much as they wanted, eh? Now we wonder where morality, respect and humanity have gone from our schools.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 16 January 2018 11: 19
        +2
        Right Be afraid of your desires. They fled from "public work", but the very fact of the existence of ideological control was deterrent for individuals, and obliging for officials. Now there’s not even that fake, there’s a golem “law”, without honor, without conscience, and even without expediency.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 16 January 2018 11: 30
          +8
          Quote: andrew42
          but the very fact of the existence of ideological control was constraining for individuals

          And the most effective factor was public ideological control, when from all sides: from posters, banners, books, newspapers, meetings, televisions, teachers, parents and just passers-by, scumbags said in unison that this was "BAD." Even those with scarce gray matter came through general censure and fear of becoming an outcast of society. Now there is not the most important thing - society, but there is a person, an individual without fear and reproach, and even protected by law. You can’t do anything with such people;
          1. dSK
            dSK 16 January 2018 23: 26
            0
            The ideology of education has long existed: from Mark the holy Gospel - 10: 42-45 "Jesus, having called them, said to them: you know that those who are revered by the princes of nations rule over them, and their nobles rule them. But let it not be between you: He who wants to be greater between you, let him be your servant; and whoever wants to be the first between you, be all a slave. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but that to minister and give His soul for the redemption of many."
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 17 January 2018 00: 37
              0
              Quote: dsk
              The ideology of education has long existed: from Mark the holy Gospel

              And where are the fruits of it now? In the enclaves of parish schools?
              Only the Soviet system, combining all the positive from different religions under the "Code of the Builder of Communism", has yielded effective results in building the moral image of society and a tangible dream for all the peoples of the former country. It is no accident that there were no religious conflicts in the USSR, including on racial and national grounds. The system, precisely with its ideology, brought up society. What do we have now? Now there is no society, but there is a menagerie consisting of active, passive individuals of the animal world and crazy people who could not stand and go crazy or did not fit into the realities of the menagerie imposed on everyone. And these crazy people are becoming more and more, increasing exponentially. There is no system of moral guidelines; there is freedom of sole “tolerance”. There is no ideology, there is a "pluralism" of opinions. The results of such liberal changes that have turned society into a menagerie are known - School No. 127, Perm.
              Further, if you do not change the system of relations of the menagerie, living on the principle of "Predator and victim" to the system of human relations of a creative, moral and equal society, it will only be more "fun."
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    10. Greenhouse
      Greenhouse 16 January 2018 15: 38
      +1
      I can tell you in response that at parents' meetings, many parents refuse to make contributions for the "protection of the school" (we are talking about 100 rubles per month). As for teachers - for example, when they served in Ulan-Ude, and my older children went to one of the city’s schools, my daughter in the elementary school was faced with the fact that parents perceive the school: here they “passed” their child to study, so the teacher obliged to educate / learn / do homework with their children ... These are personal cases .. And how many such situations are there in the country. And in every region there are "their own rattles."
    11. Pravodel
      Pravodel 18 January 2018 14: 25
      0
      Part 1.
      The education system that currently exists in Russia will constantly produce idiots, “underexplorers,” for whom school, the state, and society are only a tool for realizing their base instincts. The main question of Russia: who is to blame, and what needs to be done to rectify the current situation ?!
      Who's guilty? The answer is obvious - a state that has forgotten about the school, has given the school to itself, for which the school does not seem to be the top priority. Production, industry, agriculture is the main thing, and the school is the remainder that can be dealt with when there are forces and means for this. Such an attitude towards school, imposed on liberal intolerance of coercion, although upbringing is always coercion, and gives rise to those problems that we begin to recall after every high-profile incident at school. And how many minor mockeries of schoolchildren, teachers who don’t reach us because of either “insignificance” or silence, concealment in an attempt “not to take dirty rubbish out of the house” take place ... If you take them into account, the problems of the school will be highlighted in all its shame and ugliness .
      If the state, society cannot solve school problems now, then in the future the solution to the school issue may not take place at all due to the liquidation of the school itself as a state institution, especially since this already happened in history when the liberals completely destroyed the professional in the dashing 90s. education in Russia. And who will stop them now from destroying school education under the pretext of a decaying school, its uselessness, because their children do not need school education, they live in a completely different system of values, in a different world, separated from the world of us mere mortals. Hence, the main question is "what to do?"
      1. Return to school male teachers:
      The most important step towards reforming the school and public education should be the return of male teachers to school. Without men, the school, as a state, public institution, is half the time, devoid of the foundation, support, which makes up the soul of the school, its educational function, which, in turn, requires discipline and coercion. Soft, hard, but always coercive. The performance of this function immediately contradicts the liberal principles of universal freedom, the personality of students, regardless of whether it is a destructive or creative person. The liberal protrusion of the freedoms and personal characteristics of children, here it is enough to recall the law on juvenile justice, is echoed in a school where, under conditions of complete freedom, a criminal teenage subculture begins to flourish with its power of strength, licentiousness, permissiveness. Liberal freedom at school turns its inside out: criminal violence against students, teachers ... An example of the 90s in Russia, when liberal freedoms turned into anarchy, criminal bacchanalia. Only the will associated with violence, coercion, and the closure of the school from liberal licentiousness can return the school to its educational function, the significance that the school had in pre-revolutionary Russia, in the USSR, when fights between schoolchildren were impossible and violence against teachers was unthinkable.
      The return of men to school and the return to school of its educational function, in turn, is impossible without a sharp increase in teachers' salaries. Teachers should not be perceived by schoolchildren studying as beggars, beggars living on beggarly benefits. Teachers should be an example of state security. An example is the Russian army, crushed by the liberals in the 90s, when the wives of officers were picking up garbage dumps, and the officers themselves were thinking not about service, but about how to feed their family, wife, children, old parents. The liberals did not need an army; they were not going to attack anyone. The revival of the Russian army began with a sharp increase in officers' allowance, which, in turn, increased the prestige of the state military service, and made it possible to recruit the best, not dropouts, who had nowhere else to go to military schools.
      Similarly, a school bleeding with beggarly salaries cannot be reborn as a worthy state institution without a significant, multiple increase in teachers' salaries. This is what the liberals in every way resist and will constantly resist. Hence, it is impossible to revive the school as a full-fledged state institution that ensures the future of Russia, without liquidating the liberal state monopoly on power, without cleaning government institutions from the liberals. The school is an extremely conservative state institution in which liberal values ​​and liberal freedoms are not the place, which is precisely connected with the need for the school to fulfill an educational function that requires coercion, violence, in a soft, tough, semi-rigid form, but violence.
      to be continued
      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be defeated by internal and external enemies.
      1. Pravodel
        Pravodel 18 January 2018 14: 26
        0
        Part 2
        2. The transition to a three-tier system of school education:
        What is a three-tier school system?
        Those who worked at school know that the class is usually divided into 3 groups: 1st group - advanced, very successful; 2nd group - middle-performing students; 3rd group - poorly performing, or not having time at all, not to be confused with special schools for mentally retarded children; 3rd group - these are normal children who can and should study in a normal school. Since the school does not put permanent twos, then, conditionally, the last group can include eternal triplets. Hence, schools, classes in schools should be divided, differentiated by categories of students and include only strong, medium and weak students, especially since such a practice is already present at the level of prestigious, elite schools where students are pre-tested. The practice of dividing students into categories should be universally disseminated and implemented in schools as a preventive measure to improve the quality of public education. This, in turn, will require a change in the entire system of school teaching: the transition from a secondary program, conditionally designed for mastering by all students, to differentiated programs designed for each individual group of students to learn. Moreover, the program of the 1st group should be significantly strengthened, and the program of the 3rd group should be weakened, adapted to the requirements of the students of this group. The reverse side of the transition to a three-tier system of public education will be the return of interest in education in all school category groups: in the first group, interest in obtaining additional knowledge will be stimulated, in the third group, interest in education will be restored.
        The restoration of interest in education is of fundamental importance for public education, as it is the loss of interest in education, in the acquisition of knowledge that is the first condition for students to reject school as a necessary social institution, which, in turn, leads to the lack of normal self-realization on the side of the adolescent, to absenteeism, to distraction in the classroom - “it’s not interesting, not I understand, or it’s not interesting, I know it ”, and the creation of conditions under which the criminal subculture begins to penetrate the school through students from the 1st and 3rd categories who have lost interest in acquiring knowledge. In this sense, the presence of a criminal subculture in school on the side of adolescents who have lost interest in learning is both a consequence and a necessary condition for the normal socialization of such adolescents among their peers and the environment: an adolescent who cannot manifest himself in anything other than aggression, illegal actions, with inevitability will come to aggression and unlawful action to assert his "I" and his own authority. Hence, the task of school, society, and public education: to return to a teenager an interest in knowledge, to return him to his desk, to return to him that stimulus, interest in education, which he lost while studying in a secondary school curriculum.
        In turn, the presence of a three-link education system does not mean that the student should always be attached to one category or another, the school group, but only that through training, through the assimilation of the knowledge offered in the group, through the development of the ability to assimilate the taught material, the student can and should move to a higher category and, conversely, if it is impossible to assimilate material in the higher group, the student can and must move to a lower group of students.
        Further, the transition to a three-tier system of education will require a restructuring of the school grading system, a point system: the five obtained in the 1st group and the five obtained in the 2nd or 3rd group will have different prices. In each group of students, the student can and should receive 5, 4, and 3,2, but the price of the mark in each group will be different. Common to each of the groups should be that the mark stimulated interest in acquiring knowledge. This approach means that in each of the groups there should not be “eternal” triplets, they should disappear. “Eternal” threes - students who are unable to absorb knowledge in this group should be transferred to a lower group. The difference in training suggests that each of the categories of students should have their own exam programs: reinforced for the 1st group, weakened for the 3rd group. In this case, the student who passed the exam in the 2nd, 3rd category can later retake the exam in a higher category. In turn, obtaining a certificate for each of the categories should determine the level of further education of students: 1st category - education at the university, 2nd category - college, lyceum, 3rd category - vocational education. In Russia, all school graduates should not receive higher education. The school itself should differentiate students by categories of further education.
        Further, the transition to a three-tier education system involves a change in the mode of schooling: the transition in high school in groups from class, lesson to lecture and seminar training, which requires examinations after each academic semester. Initially, this mode can be introduced in the categories of the 1st and 2nd groups, and later, extended to the 3rd group of students. A change in the mode of instruction will sharply reduce the school load on students, but will require the development of special individual programs for seminars, lectures, homework, term papers, etc. In other words, the mode of teaching in high school should be as close as possible to teaching students in lyceums, colleges, and institutes.
        3. The revival of vocational education:
        The result of the transition to a three-tier education system should be the revival of professional education, which was completely lost in the 90s. These should be modern educational institutions with an appropriate production base, fully focused on the needs of production, capable of releasing professionals in their field who do not require additional production training after graduation from the educational institution.

        "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be defeated by internal and external enemies.
    12. Pravodel
      Pravodel 18 January 2018 14: 29
      0
      Part 1.
      The education system that currently exists in Russia will constantly produce idiots, “underexplorers,” for whom school, the state, and society are only a tool for realizing their base instincts. The main question of Russia: who is to blame, and what needs to be done to rectify the current situation ?!
      Who's guilty? The answer is obvious - a state that has forgotten about the school, has given the school to itself, for which the school does not seem to be the top priority. Production, industry, agriculture is the main thing, and the school is the remainder that can be dealt with when there are forces and means for this. Such an attitude towards school, imposed on liberal intolerance of coercion, although upbringing is always coercion, and gives rise to those problems that we begin to recall after every high-profile incident at school. And how many minor mockeries of schoolchildren, teachers who don’t reach us because of either “insignificance” or silence, concealment in an attempt “not to take dirty rubbish out of the house” take place ... If you take them into account, the problems of the school will be highlighted in all its shame and ugliness .
      If the state, society cannot solve school problems now, then in the future the solution to the school issue may not take place at all due to the liquidation of the school itself as a state institution, especially since this already happened in history when the liberals completely destroyed the professional in the dashing 90s. education in Russia. And who will stop them now from destroying school education under the pretext of a decaying school, its uselessness, because their children do not need school education, they live in a completely different system of values, in a different world, separated from the world of us mere mortals. Hence, the main question is "what to do?"
      1. Return to school male teachers:
      The most important step towards reforming the school and public education should be the return of male teachers to school. Without men, the school, as a state, public institution, is half the time, devoid of the foundation, support, which makes up the soul of the school, its educational function, which, in turn, requires discipline and coercion. Soft, hard, but always coercive. The performance of this function immediately contradicts the liberal principles of universal freedom, the personality of students, regardless of whether it is a destructive or creative person. The liberal protrusion of the freedoms and personal characteristics of children, here it is enough to recall the law on juvenile justice, is echoed in a school where, under conditions of complete freedom, a criminal teenage subculture begins to flourish with its power of strength, licentiousness, permissiveness. Liberal freedom at school turns its inside out: criminal violence against students, teachers ... An example of the 90s in Russia, when liberal freedoms turned into anarchy, criminal bacchanalia. Only the will associated with violence, coercion, and the closure of the school from liberal licentiousness can return the school to its educational function, the significance that the school had in pre-revolutionary Russia, in the USSR, when fights between schoolchildren were impossible and violence against teachers was unthinkable.
      The return of men to school and the return to school of its educational function, in turn, is impossible without a sharp increase in teachers' salaries. Teachers should not be perceived by schoolchildren studying as beggars, beggars living on beggarly benefits. Teachers should be an example of state security. An example is the Russian army, crushed by the liberals in the 90s, when the wives of officers were picking up garbage dumps, and the officers themselves were thinking not about service, but about how to feed their family, wife, children, old parents. The liberals did not need an army; they were not going to attack anyone. The revival of the Russian army began with a sharp increase in officers' allowance, which, in turn, increased the prestige of the state military service, and made it possible to recruit the best, not dropouts, who had nowhere else to go to military schools.
      Similarly, a school bleeding with beggarly salaries cannot be reborn as a worthy state institution without a significant, multiple increase in teachers' salaries. This is what the liberals in every way resist and will constantly resist. Hence, it is impossible to revive the school as a full-fledged state institution that ensures the future of Russia, without liquidating the liberal state monopoly on power, without cleaning government institutions from the liberals. The school is an extremely conservative state institution in which liberal values ​​and liberal freedoms are not the place, which is precisely connected with the need for the school to fulfill an educational function that requires coercion, violence, in a soft, tough, semi-rigid form, but violence.
      to be continued

      "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be defeated by internal and external enemies.
      1. Pravodel
        Pravodel 18 January 2018 14: 32
        0
        Part 2 (Continued)
        2. The transition to a three-tier system of school education:
        What is a three-tier school system?
        Those who worked at school know that the class is usually divided into 3 groups: 1st group - advanced, very successful; 2nd group - middle-performing students; 3rd group - poorly performing, or not having time at all, not to be confused with special schools for mentally retarded children; 3rd group - these are normal children who can and should study in a normal school. Since the school does not put permanent twos, then, conditionally, the last group can include eternal triplets. Hence, schools, classes in schools should be divided, differentiated by categories of students and include only strong, medium and weak students, especially since such a practice is already present at the level of prestigious, elite schools where students are pre-tested. The practice of dividing students into categories should be universally disseminated and implemented in schools as a preventive measure to improve the quality of public education. This, in turn, will require a change in the entire system of school teaching: the transition from a secondary program, conditionally designed for mastering by all students, to differentiated programs designed for each individual group of students to learn. Moreover, the program of the 1st group should be significantly strengthened, and the program of the 3rd group should be weakened, adapted to the requirements of the students of this group. The reverse side of the transition to a three-tier system of public education will be the return of interest in education in all school category groups: in the first group, interest in obtaining additional knowledge will be stimulated, in the third group, interest in education will be restored.
        The restoration of interest in education is of fundamental importance for public education, as it is the loss of interest in education, in the acquisition of knowledge that is the first condition for students to reject school as a necessary social institution, which, in turn, leads to the lack of normal self-realization on the side of the adolescent, to absenteeism, to distraction in the classroom - “it’s not interesting, not I understand, or it’s not interesting, I know it ”, and the creation of conditions under which the criminal subculture begins to penetrate the school through students from the 1st and 3rd categories who have lost interest in acquiring knowledge. In this sense, the presence of a criminal subculture in school on the side of adolescents who have lost interest in learning is both a consequence and a necessary condition for the normal socialization of such adolescents among their peers and the environment: an adolescent who cannot manifest himself in anything other than aggression, illegal actions, with inevitability will come to aggression and unlawful action to assert his "I" and his own authority. Hence, the task of school, society, and public education: to return to a teenager an interest in knowledge, to return him to his desk, to return to him that stimulus, interest in education, which he lost while studying in a secondary school curriculum.
        In turn, the presence of a three-link education system does not mean that the student should always be attached to one category or another, the school group, but only that through training, through the assimilation of the knowledge offered in the group, through the development of the ability to assimilate the taught material, the student can and should move to a higher category and, conversely, if it is impossible to assimilate material in the higher group, the student can and must move to a lower group of students.
        Further, the transition to a three-tier system of education will require a restructuring of the school grading system, a point system: the five obtained in the 1st group and the five obtained in the 2nd or 3rd group will have different prices. In each group of students, the student can and should receive 5, 4, and 3,2, but the price of the mark in each group will be different. Common to each of the groups should be that the mark stimulated interest in acquiring knowledge. This approach means that in each of the groups there should not be “eternal” triplets, they should disappear. “Eternal” threes - students who are unable to absorb knowledge in this group should be transferred to a lower group. The difference in training suggests that each of the categories of students should have their own exam programs: reinforced for the 1st group, weakened for the 3rd group. In this case, the student who passed the exam in the 2nd, 3rd category can later retake the exam in a higher category. In turn, obtaining a certificate for each of the categories should determine the level of further education of students: 1st category - education at the university, 2nd category - college, lyceum, 3rd category - vocational education. In Russia, all school graduates should not receive higher education. The school itself should differentiate students by categories of further education.
        Further, the transition to a three-tier education system involves a change in the mode of schooling: the transition in high school in groups from class, lesson to lecture and seminar training, which requires examinations after each academic semester. Initially, this mode can be introduced in the categories of the 1st and 2nd groups, and later, extended to the 3rd group of students. A change in the mode of instruction will sharply reduce the school load on students, but will require the development of special individual programs for seminars, lectures, homework, term papers, etc. In other words, the mode of teaching in high school should be as close as possible to teaching students in lyceums, colleges, and institutes.
        3. The revival of vocational education:
        The result of the transition to a three-tier education system should be the revival of professional education, which was completely lost in the 90s. These should be modern educational institutions with an appropriate production base, fully focused on the needs of production, capable of releasing professionals in their field who do not require additional production training after graduation from the educational institution.
        "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be defeated by internal and external enemies.
    13. Krymgireevsky
      Krymgireevsky 19 January 2018 13: 08
      0
      All right. But there is another very important factor that many overlook. What else has changed at school since the days of the USSR? What has been added? Few people know that EVERY teenager who executed executions and massacres in American schools was registered with psychiatrists and took psychiatric drugs. Only recently, various community groups have achieved suicidal tendencies, outbreaks of unmotivated aggression and other serious disorders on the packaging of these drugs. It turned out: the more school psychologists and psychiatrists, the more their help, the more executions, killings and suicides. Now the Americans are the most anesthetized nation in the world and we are rapidly adopting this experience!
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 16 January 2018 05: 59
    +5
    It is impossible to correct the deplorable situation by orders, decrees and meetings - more ambitious measures are needed, moreover, taken in close interconnection with other social and economic measures.

    We have some clever people in the DUMA generally suggest removing parents from raising children ... so to speak, switch to the western system of juvenile education ... the path to the abyss.

    Today I watched a disgusting video of a teenager who took a drug at home and then his tongue and brains unleashed with his sore imagination of bloody revenge over society ... an abomination.
    Something needs to be done with this ... first of all, to tighten the punishment of drug traffickers to the limit ... then introduce active propaganda against alcohol, drugs and violence at school ... introduce compulsory self-defense classes for boys without weapons ... like sambo. ..children must be taught to survive in extreme situations.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 January 2018 06: 43
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      introduce compulsory circles for boys to teach self-defense without weapons ... like sambo ... children must be taught to survive in extreme situations.

      it’s either Lyoha, or something ... you need to inculcate from “young nails” to such concepts as duty to the country, responsibility for your steps, patriotism in a good sense of the word, respect for elders, this is not. they grow up to be real "chaos," maybe everything, and they won’t have anything for it. for some reason, we take from the west, only the most disgusting ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 16 January 2018 06: 49
        +5
        as a duty to the country, responsibility for one’s steps, patriotism in a good sense of the word, respect for elders, this is not.


        It’s all so ... but you won’t stop the teenager stoned and armed with a knife ... you need to be able to evade the fight in time or disarm him at worst before the police arrive so that there is no trouble.

        There is one more serious problem of how to behave to an ordinary person when attacked by a teenager or teenagers ... the trouble is that you do not have the right to harm him or them ... they just put him in jail ... that is, he can hit you with a knife, defending yourself, do not try to do this; it will already be an excess of self-defense ... the insanity of our justice and the state.
        1. perm23
          perm23 16 January 2018 11: 20
          +1
          You're right. you can’t beat. if something he and his parents go straight to the police and you are to blame.
        2. Northern warrior
          Northern warrior 17 January 2018 01: 55
          +1
          If a scumbag with a knife or armature gets on me, then I will not care about his age - I will cripple without hesitation.
      2. perm23
        perm23 16 January 2018 11: 21
        +2
        That respect for elders is yes. And it’s completely arrogant steel. No one is respected. the bus will not give way to older women on the bus. But they were brought up by mom and dad
    2. raw174
      raw174 16 January 2018 06: 59
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      first of all, to tighten the punishment of drug traffickers to the limit

      +
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Introduce vigorous advocacy against alcohol, drugs and school violence

      Mostly underway. And it’s going well ...
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      introduce compulsory circles for boys to teach self-defense without weapons ... like sambo ... children must be taught to survive in extreme situations.

      And here are the problems ... There are simply no personnel for such programs, who will be involved? Trainers? and how many are there in the middle town / village with a population of 15-20 thousand people? one or two, at best ... and how many% of parents will lead their children to these lessons? Now in school, up to half of the children are exempted from physical education for health reasons, most of them are at the request of parents who buy certificates ...
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 16 January 2018 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      first of all, to tighten the punishment of drug traffickers to the limit

      The limit is the abolished death penalty?
      1. raw174
        raw174 17 January 2018 06: 10
        +1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        The limit is the abolished death penalty?

        Not lifted ... moratorium imposed ... Personally, I am for lifting the moratorium!
  3. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 16 January 2018 06: 22
    +5
    To cope with a problem like aye you just need to really do it! Unless of course the state is interested in this, so as not to get a herd of "frostbite" in large quantities. It is necessary to attract people from the warehouse Makarenko, I hope they stayed with us ..... Teachers at schools yes , really "lowered." And in terms of payment and in terms of impact on students.
    "Kids" do what they want. And the exam, from which the current leadership is crazy, if not to carry out the so-called coaching would not be so productive. And they also said earlier that you came to school for knowledge, whether you are interested in the subject or not, and this is necessary first of all to you, and now many parents have an opinion about that it’s not interesting to teach, and the teacher is obliged to make the child consider his subject interesting, and this is necessary for the teacher.
  4. Severok
    Severok 16 January 2018 06: 24
    13
    It’s high time to delete from the law on education the words that education is a “service”. Education is training and upbringing. For such a case, it is necessary to hold accountable those who have brought the education system to its current flawed level. That's just where these reformers sit, there is a system of absolute irresponsibility and impunity.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 16 January 2018 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: Severok
      It’s high time to delete from the law on education the words that education is a “service”. Education is training and upbringing

      not only, it’s also adaptation to society, but punishments are provided for in public life
  5. Dimy4
    Dimy4 16 January 2018 06: 26
    +1
    A student of the tenth grade of school No. 263 Sergei G. burst into a school armed with firearms, shot a geography teacher, took the students hostage, and when police arrived at the school, he shot one of the police officers. However, the killer did not suffer the deserved punishment - he was placed in a psychiatric clinic.

    Well, they’re on the kids.
    1. prodi
      prodi 16 January 2018 06: 58
      0
      yes, the situation under discussion is ideally suited to the "tower", but it will not be
  6. zzdimk
    zzdimk 16 January 2018 06: 46
    +2
    Motovilikha is in itself an area similar to a sedimentation tank
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 16 January 2018 09: 20
      +3
      Quote: zzdimk
      Motovilikha is in itself an area similar to a sedimentation tank

      Then the whole country is like a sump. In addition to hacienda oligarchs. The usual area of ​​a provincial provincial city. All of Russia is such, even in Moscow such areas in bulk.
  7. zyzx
    zyzx 16 January 2018 06: 56
    +8
    Previously, children were registered with the police, they were dripping on their parents’s brains, and schoolchildren were engaged in leisure activities. In the late 80s, early 90s, the whole guard was a grandmother of the watchman and we were afraid of her terribly.
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 16 January 2018 11: 02
      +5
      Once we broke glass in a friend’s school lol and we were burned, fathers were called, they, in turn, went and cut out the windows and put them in. A hose from a washing machine stuck to my ass laughing I did not break glass anymore. I was afraid of my father and he was important for me. I was a steelworker (thanks to him for everything). Why do I need to “heal” with a belt!
  8. tasha
    tasha 16 January 2018 07: 02
    13
    And now, wealthy moles, let's count wink
    There are about 40 thousand schools in the country. Each school has three people from military pensioners. About 100000 people all over the country. Pay extra for each 10 000 rubles per month. Total - 1 billion rubles per month. 12 billion a year.
    The task for these people is to conduct 8-9 groups on the basis of school gyms (three to four times a week for one and a half hours). General sports, primary military, patriotic training, etc. .. In the group - 25 people. Three people will be able to take people 200 ... In the country - 8mln. the kids.
    There are, of course, problematic issues, but they can be solved .. One, for example, is there a lot of people who want 3 hours a day for 10000 a month to mess with the kids?

    Zenit-Arena cost the country 50 billion 8mln. the kids. 4 of the year .....
    1. astronom1973n
      astronom1973n 16 January 2018 10: 04
      +1
      Quote: tasha
      One, for example, is there a lot of people who want to work with children for 3 hours a day for 10000 months?

      For 10000 rubles. -3 hours a day for a good cause? Yes with pleasure!
    2. perm23
      perm23 16 January 2018 11: 19
      0
      And you are ready to give them children and are ready for the fact that they can raise them not quite correctly. as happens in sections. Anything can happen. And what will the guy be taught correctly with a knife or blows. it will be even worse. How many were there in the 90s.
    3. bk316
      bk316 16 January 2018 19: 07
      +1
      In the country - 8 million. the kids.

      Well then will be with bulk to go to rallies?
    4. raw174
      raw174 17 January 2018 06: 30
      0
      Quote: tasha
      Each school has three people from military pensioners.

      Problem number of times:
      Where to get so many military pensioners? We do not have a unit nearby, there are very few retired officers, but this is half the battle, there are police officers, but question number two: how many of these pensioners have a teacher education? And this is one of the main criteria! ..
      There is a good comrade, retired air defense lieutenant colonel, leads a military patriotic club at his school, leads children on campaigns in the summer, makes weapons models, even the guys made tin plates! I myself went on a hike with them four times, helped Sergei Petrovich ... He took some courses in absentia and has all the documents for working at school. Maintains OBZH, although under his leadership it is NVP. The school bought him MGM AKMs, PMs and pneumatics, they do a lot on their own, I got a new bulletproof vest, in general I’m working on a matbase, the guys are studying, and the school has only about 170 students ... Here is an example of a retired person who has done a good job when he retired , itself, initially free of charge.
  9. raw174
    raw174 16 January 2018 07: 10
    +6
    My opinion:
    It is not a matter of the status of teachers and not of the security system at school, not even of punishment, but of EDUCATION in the family! First of all, parents are responsible for the actions of children!
    Plus, you need to develop a mechanism for checking the accounts of children in social networks. Check should be educators and psychologists. It is the Internet that makes up for the shortcomings of time spent by parents on raising children.
    My case from life:
    School in the village, boy grade 5. Uncontrolled outbreaks of aggression are manifested (rushes to fight at classmates, tried to puncture the boy’s stomach with a pen, throws himself at the teacher with fists and all for no reason at all). We went out on commission and talked with teachers, children and mother. Mom - a typical lonely (divorced) woman of 30 with a small age. She immediately accepted everything with hostility and blames the school and officials in everything, down to the president ...
    The commission decided to send the child to a psycho. examination, but my mother sharply refused and moved to live in the city (in Chelyabinsk). What will be the outcome of this boy? most likely sad ...
  10. oracul
    oracul 16 January 2018 07: 19
    0
    It can be said simpler: among teachers at the school there are quite a few random people with incomprehensible views, which they are guided by, some parents relieve themselves of the need to raise their children, shifting responsibility to teachers, who, in fact, were deprived of their rights. Well, and about the bureaucrats who are seated in the education system at different levels, there is nothing to say. Read who Makarenko struggled with at one time and you will understand that everything is developing in a spiral - nothing new. Eclectic fermentation of minds and moods in society, self-expression in any form, starting with small members of society, connivance and satisfaction of any desires, inadmissibility of the slightest remark about children from parents or teachers, total disrespect for adults and you want so that nothing happens? We must let everyone work as expected and ask accordingly, and not throw up tantrums with or without. Involuntarily, you come to the conclusion that the main thing for the authorities is to not concern me. Vaughn, Vasilyeva, Minister of Education, has already spoken out about the history textbook - perhaps the authors made a mistake in a hurry. I repent, naively thought of her better.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 January 2018 16: 03
      0
      Quote: oracul
      Well, about bureaucratswho are seated in the education system at different levels, and there is nothing to say. Read с кем Makarenko fought in due time and you will understand that everything is developing in a spiral - nothing new.
      -And you were not surprised in your post - what then, during the USSR, and now in the Russian Federation, nothing can be done about it? Century various,state different - but the situation is the same ??
      This is not treated, it’s impossible, and no "Yes, to count them !! To Kolyma !! and so on !!!" will not help ...
  11. Fight
    Fight 16 January 2018 07: 31
    +3
    Bulkers go crazy!
  12. Finches
    Finches 16 January 2018 07: 35
    +1
    Mordvin 3,
    So I say - something with the kids with their heads! Demand from parents! And the rest is organizational matters - this is for the school administration!
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 07: 39
      +8
      And in my opinion - the demand from society. We are all to blame. Well, from the first grade they played with knives, and there were no such thoughts to stick into someone.
      1. Finches
        Finches 16 January 2018 07: 46
        +1
        Society, society! But in the case of children there is always a personal defendant - his parents, and only then everything else!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 08: 00
          +9
          And parents work like Carla’s dads. Once to them. And Dimon said that we need to work hard where there is work. Where is there to look after the children? I’m confused. drinks
          1. Finches
            Finches 16 January 2018 08: 03
            +2
            Dimon, all his pearls are awake! He was probably only for laughter and woke up so that he would blur something out for the amusement of the public .... laughing drinks
            1. raw174
              raw174 17 January 2018 06: 33
              +1
              Quote: Finches
              Dimon, all his pearls are awake! He’s probably only for laughter and wake him up so that he would blur something out for the amusement of the public

              By the way, about Dimon, because he essentially openly says what many people think, but are afraid to say! Now, if there is absolutely NO money, then he did not bustle, but he said so, and if you don’t like the salary of the teacher, then go to business, they won’t give you more! Still correctly says, without fidgeting with a fifth point ...
              1. Finches
                Finches 17 January 2018 14: 24
                0
                I agree with you here completely!
          2. Boris55
            Boris55 16 January 2018 09: 20
            +5
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            And parents work like Carla’s dads. Once they

            The state after 1917, with the filing of K. Tselkin, made a commitment to care and raise our children. In return, women began to work alongside men. Such a life was - the hands of the workers were not enough. After the 90s, the habit remained, and then the pens ...
            Today, the media is engaged in the education of our children, and not only them, but also you and me. The media do not bring information to us, as much is believed. They shape our worldview. What we see, besides defectives and murders in the news - NOTHING! So where does the younger generation have compassion and desire to help their neighbors?
            What to do? To disperse the Duma, min.cultures - to the wall, the nationalization of all the media without exception, and to send the former leaders to Kolyma for 25 years. You can leave a couple of foreign media with a mandatory logo such as a foreign agent.
            1. Alex_59
              Alex_59 16 January 2018 09: 27
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              What to do? To disperse the Duma, min.cultures - to the wall, the nationalization of all the media without exception, and to send the former leaders to 25 years in Kolyma.

              There will be a nice party! But she will not have any effect on the upbringing of children. Because children need to be heard at least a little. And if you hear them, it turns out that they are now more watching and reading bloggers than what you mean by "media" - a television with a radio. This is for grandmothers with grandfathers. All the youth are sitting on instagram, VK, YouTube, and now there’s still a "telegram" gone. Let's nationalize all bloggers, good luck.
              1. astronom1973n
                astronom1973n 16 January 2018 10: 07
                +4
                Quote: Alex_59
                All the youth are sitting on instagram, VK, YouTube, and now there’s still a "telegram" gone. Let's nationalize all bloggers, good luck.

                A team would be given, we will nationalize all bloggers. Only there is no one to give such a team to.
                1. S-kerrigan
                  S-kerrigan 16 January 2018 10: 57
                  +1
                  A team would be given, we nationalize all bloggers

                  This is a "bunch" in the air - here, for example, I climb into Youtube. And tell you how it is in the java-enterprise world. Как me and most importantly what will we nationalize?
                  Or another blogger about cars.

                  I don’t know a single blogger from the “let's kill them all” cohort (although, again, for the sake of objectivity, in any case, my sample is not representative, there are probably such ones).

                  And so, to “hit the squares” is only to kill your own people.
                  1. astronom1973n
                    astronom1973n 16 January 2018 11: 07
                    +1
                    Why did you strain it? Breathe out! Well, you won’t write any nonsense and don’t understand what you’re talking about, but you’ll go to work for production. Is it bad? Or are the bazooki pens weak?))) The benefits of bloggers for the people are dubious .. As they say: "the squad will not notice the loss of a fighter."
                    1. S-kerrigan
                      S-kerrigan 16 January 2018 11: 11
                      0
                      High-tech industries do it for you
                      Well, you won’t write any nonsense and talk, don’t understand what,

                      ?

                      Then such a country doesn’t need to be clever - a place in the junkyard of history, next to the Horde.

                      The benefits of bloggers for the people

                      Said the caveman looking at the punch - the same analogy.
                      By the level of judgments, I already see that we are not able to use the tool. And if we do not know how - there is nothing to judge.
                      1. astronom1973n
                        astronom1973n 16 January 2018 11: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: S-Kerrigan
                        By the level of judgments, I already see that we are not able to use the tool. And if we do not know how - there is nothing to judge.

                        At least I finished school? Blogger. Benefit. Well, I didn’t know that, in your opinion, the high-tech industries are a blogging nonsense of an uneducated person writing nonsense and gag. There are only a few expert experts, the rest are bloggers like you)))
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 16 January 2018 19: 21
                        +2
                        Said a caveman looking at a hammer drill

                        It is pointless to argue. The man apparently first saw the phrase java enterprise. But he started a dispute in the middle of which he asked if his opponent had finished school.
                        Conclusion: comrade corresponds to his profile picture. They don’t argue with such people.

                        Comrade astronomer, please do not worry. By the way, I finished school and graduated from Moscow State University, already 25 years ago.
                    2. Alex_59
                      Alex_59 16 January 2018 12: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: astronom1973n
                      you won’t write any nonsense and talk, don’t understand what, but you’ll go to work for production.

                      "Today you play trash, and tomorrow you will eat your woman." Civilization has long taken a confident step into a post-industrial society, where a couple of programmers sit in factories to control automation and robots, and you want to drive people for machines. It’s good not to invite mammoths to hunt.
                      Quote: astronom1973n
                      A team would be given, we nationalize all bloggers.
                      And take the Pentagon by storm. Words, words ... So far, even trackers cannot be blocked. Any pimpled schoolboy who knows what a VPN, IPSec or TOR can safely surf where Roskomnadzor did not roll.
                      1. astronom1973n
                        astronom1973n 16 January 2018 12: 34
                        +2
                        Quote: Alex_59
                        Any pimply schoolboy who knows what a VPN, IPSec or TOR can easily surf where Roskomnadzor did not roll.

                        And it is necessary to rejoice? That children grew up inexplicably what?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 09: 38
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              What to do?

              Conscience is needed. And we threw her into the far corner.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 16 January 2018 12: 34
                0
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Conscience is needed. And we threw her into the far corner.

                Conscience is one of the tools to control us with God. People who have lost their conscience lose touch with Him. The villains divided us by religions, replacing us with God - prophets. So, adherents of different faiths (say, Judaists in power and right-wingers with seksha) had a different conscience and attitude towards people of a different faith as not to people ... We were not abandoned. They abandoned us ... Until we decide on where we are and where we are, it will be impossible to find the vector of our direction ...
            3. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 16 January 2018 12: 46
              +1
              After the 90s, the habit remained, and then the pens ...
              one family-working daddy family. in the regions for sure ...
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 16 January 2018 14: 20
                0
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                one family-working daddy family. in the regions for sure ...

                Before the revolution, they somehow lived and seven were sitting on benches.
                Money has long turned from a means of economic development into a means of enslavement. The entire economy of the World is aimed at destroying the resources of the Earth. A light bulb can burn forever, but if you shorten the spiral, then the light bulbs will be bought more often, and there are a lot of such senseless purchases (producing light bulbs) and such meaningless purchases (the same light bulbs) ...
                The problem of one working in a family and acceptable social security for everyone in it is completely solved, especially when there is an era of robotization and the release of the mass of people.
            4. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 16 January 2018 21: 29
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              Today, the media is engaged in the education of our children, and not only them, but also you and me. The media do not bring information to us, as much is believed. They shape our worldview. What we see, besides defectives and murders in the news - NOTHING! So where does the younger generation have compassion and desire to help their neighbors?

              See the root of the problem
              1. raw174
                raw174 17 January 2018 06: 41
                0
                Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                See the root of the problem

                TV shows what there is a request in society. And the society demands to show Shurygin and bazooka hands ... There is Russia-K, a good channel, and what is its audience? ..
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 17 January 2018 08: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: raw174
                  TV shows what there is a request in society.

                  This is why "28 Panfilovites" are being removed with public money, and "Bastards" with state money? No - the media shape our worldview. An example of this is Ukraine.
                  1. raw174
                    raw174 17 January 2018 14: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Boris55
                    The media shape our worldview.

                    Nobody has canceled the function of propaganda ... But now, for example, they make good films: Poddubny, Legend 17, I didn’t look up, but they praise ... maybe something is aligned in the cinema?
                    And films are not an indicator of the daily demands of the population, an indicator of what they seem to be in industrial time ... Interview 10 women aunts 25 years old and older, they all watch Malakhov (8 for sure) and if they remove him tomorrow, they will howl ...
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 17 January 2018 14: 32
                      0
                      Quote: raw174
                      Interview pieces of 10 aunts 25 years old and older, they all look at Malakhov (8 for sure) and if they remove him tomorrow, they will howl ...

                      Is this not an indicator? One friend's wife watched foolish house 2 for a long time. In the end, this madhouse came to their house - they got divorced ...
  13. Pavil144
    Pavil144 16 January 2018 07: 41
    +5
    Now is not like before. Without phones and the Internet. He did the lessons and went for a walk, went for a friend and went for a drive from the hill. Now they’ve started a VKontakte page from the first class, but what do they get there?
    1. S-kerrigan
      S-kerrigan 16 January 2018 10: 59
      +1
      I know schoolchildren who need my help in software development there. For several years, I have been advising schoolchildren / applicants from all over the Russian Federation. What girls from Moscow, what guys from Sakhalin.

      Yes, that same VK.
  14. Just a man
    Just a man 16 January 2018 07: 46
    +9
    My older brother had a saying, you will not find in the brothel of the temple of God. Who is to blame - the built-up system of socio-political relations is to blame, based on the principles: man to man is a wolf; the golden calf is the meaning of life; only what everyone desires for himself is moral; You should take a warm place under the sun by going over the heads of other people; man is created to survive and not live. These are the main reasons, and the rest of the multifaceted horror of our country, these are just consequences of the existing system.
  15. AID.S
    AID.S 16 January 2018 07: 50
    +2
    The article is similar to O. Bender's "solemn set." There would be only vodka / incident, and we will find / print it for a reason / article. "Nonsense.
  16. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 16 January 2018 08: 09
    +1
    These are your games in games, tyrnet and bulk - these are the reasons !! 1 But parents, the police and the school have nothing to do with it.
  17. Alex66
    Alex66 16 January 2018 08: 19
    +4
    But this visit is unlikely to entail any changes in the system of Russian school education and upbringing of younger generations.
    We need an ideology, and not like with the USSR when they said one thing, but did something else when they joined the party for material gain. Now we need an ideology, which is one for all, when there is no concept of the law that draws, ideology should unite the elite and the people in a whole concept. Ideology should give purpose to the young, it should be believed, not smirked. under capitalism, when man is exploited by man, this is not possible. So everything will be repeated and neither Medvedev nor Putin will decide anything.
  18. Letnab
    Letnab 16 January 2018 08: 30
    +1
    quote: Teachers have become “extreme,” who owe everything to school principals and superiors from the district, the parents of the students, and even the students themselves. Now, schoolchildren who are not able to learn the elementary program allow themselves to criticize teachers and accuse them of allegedly incorrect teaching or lack of proper knowledge.
    An interesting picture, poor teachers ... But why is it not said that school teachers themselves often allow themselves to shift the study of subjects to the students themselves and their parents? Like, their task is only to check the student’s knowledge and direct him to the next topic ... Moreover, this is a real picture, respectively, the attitude of parents and then their children to teachers will not be positive at all. Parents should wait for knowledge from children, and teachers should teach, as I understand it.
  19. slavaseven
    slavaseven 16 January 2018 08: 34
    0
    Oh fanned ...
    Yes, there simply high school students on knives resolved the dispute. They tried to separate them. No terrorists or attacks on the school. So there is no need for global tragedies. And as for the aggression of adolescents - a normal stage of growing up. What can I say - everyone went through this. Parenting is provided not by school but by family. Parents and the guys themselves - to a tough answer. Affected - health.
  20. free
    free 16 January 2018 08: 38
    +5
    All mixed up people are horses.
    Monday, January 15, Perm was in full swing when two masked men armed with knives burst into high school No. 127. The organizer of the attack was named 16-year-old Leo B. Since the young man is a minor. Lev B.'s accomplice was 16-year-old Alexander, a student of the 11th grade of the school.
    So men or teenagers?
    They attacked the first schoolchildren that came up - fourth-grade students. Got a teacher.
    Did they meet students on the porch? Or did they go to a particular class?
    Then the attackers attacked each other and stabbed each other.
    ???Seriously?
    But the fact that inspectors for working with young people do not work is absolutely true. I had such a case, in the classroom of my son, one hooligan boy bullied everyone in a row, prevented someone from learning and beat regularly and the class is still the second. many wrote complaints to both the director and the cool class. And then this hooligan got to my son, I went to school and solved this problem with my methods familiar to me from my childhood in the yard (without touching the bully and not saying a word to him, and what’s important is not inflicting any trauma on it, either mental or physical). And what would you think ... voila, a cool teacher takes this bully under the white handles leads him to the school administration and writes a statement to me to the police, and the school in the person of the head teacher on the educational line threatens me a criminal article (I organized a fight in a school institution and violated the rights of a juvenile bully). The investigation continues to this day. And you say ........ they themselves first actually untie the bully’s hands, and then wonder why this happens! pay attention at least once to who and what our children are teaching, their hair stands on end from such teachers. Security measures must be taken away, the state’s approach to culture, traditions, school and teachers must be changed. And this can only be done by changing the liberal thieves - traitorous power to the power of the people. Indeed, the fish always rots from the head and what we see in school is not a cause but a consequence. Think about this when going to the presidential election!
    1. karish
      karish 16 January 2018 08: 47
      0
      Quote: free
      , I came to school and solved this problem with my methods familiar to me from childhood in the yard (without touching the bully and without saying a word to him, and what’s important is not causing him any physical or mental injuries).

      What is it like ? share

      Quote: free
      And what would you think ... voila, a cool teacher takes this bully under the white handles leads him to the school administration and writes a statement to me to the police, and the school, represented by the head teacher on the educational line, threatens me with a criminal article (

      I still think. that you are a little cunning in the part of what
      Quote: free
      without touching the bully and without saying a word to him, and what’s important is not causing him any physical or mental injuries

      wink
      1. S-kerrigan
        S-kerrigan 16 January 2018 11: 06
        0
        I still think. that you are a little cunning in the part of what

        It seems to me similarly - here either you need to make it clear the threat of continuing such actions (verbally-visually), or carry out a visual session of “forcing peace” (from “breaking an iPhone” to “a couple of open fractures”).
        1. free
          free 16 January 2018 13: 45
          0
          I’m not cunning at all, because there are witnesses and quite a lot. I can only confirm my words again, I haven’t touched a word. I can’t share it, experts are conducting the investigation. There are witnesses, yes, there are nuances.
  21. hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 16 January 2018 08: 46
    +6
    We have been building the USA in Russia since the 90s, and we are not changing the course. Now we have shootings in schools.
    It is not the guard that needs to be strengthened or the supervision of children, but the course changed.
  22. Tired
    Tired 16 January 2018 09: 18
    0
    All questions to parents, they brought up killers. If parents do not care about their children, then no systems and other lotions can fix this.
  23. Finches
    Finches 16 January 2018 09: 20
    0
    insular,
    Naturally! The police cannot have large states - there is a way out of the DND, as in the USSR, but here most often it all ends with conversations ...
  24. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 16 January 2018 09: 44
    +1
    Teenagers are generally very cruel to others and to each other, so this will happen again and again. And all the beautiful words about education, moral values ​​at school usually work poorly, and often do not work at all. The school has long ceased to engage in education. This is a fait accompli. The concept that man is a wolf to man is laid there from an early age. However, in our lives this is not a bad concept.
  25. Finches
    Finches 16 January 2018 09: 59
    +1
    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    Why compare? We need to live in the present day and in today's realities ... Then there was socialism! Now capitalism is two different things!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 10: 23
      0
      Quote: Finches
      Why compare?

      why?!!!
      Quote: Finches
      it is necessary to live in the present day and in today's realities ... Then there was socialism! Now capitalism is two different things!

      I mean crime does not fight ?!
      1. Finches
        Finches 16 January 2018 10: 43
        +2
        There were different attitudes and approaches in education! As regards the fight against crime - in the USSR the number of law enforcement personnel, and indeed the power structures, was determined by other criteria, and now only one - the possibility of the state budget and taxpayers! Unfortunately, it is impossible to find this line - so that the budget would draw, and the personnel would be enough to cover everything! Something has to be sacrificed ..., most often by personnel!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 11: 51
          0
          Quote: Finches
          in the USSR, the number of law enforcement, and indeed law enforcement agencies, was determined by other criteria

          what ?!
          Quote: Finches
          so that the budget would be pulled, and the personnel would be enough to cover everything!

          Or maybe you just need to work ?!
          during the union, I knew the local police officer in person, but now I have never seen
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 16 January 2018 11: 26
        +1
        In the sense that crime is the nature of capitalism. And then, as Hermes Trismegistus used to say, "... that above, then below ..."
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 January 2018 12: 49
          0
          Quote: andrew42
          that crime is the nature of capitalism.

          ??
          that it was not before capitalism? !!!!
  26. Igor Golov
    Igor Golov 16 January 2018 10: 15
    +1
    Such a movement has leaders. Leo B. what is called for Navalny drowned. Navalny knows how to tumble directly into the brain, and we will continue to observe the results. Unfortunately.
  27. bubalik
    bubalik 16 January 2018 10: 20
    0
    ,,, why did the teacher and the guard break apart all this time at the sting button?
  28. pashtinio
    pashtinio 16 January 2018 10: 32
    +1
    "Yes, and it is hardly possible to turn the school into a" police facility ", which will be accessed through the scope of the metal detector under the stern views of professional security guards." And I think that it is possible! And it is necessary! It’s not hard to calculate how much money it will take. There are 42 schools in our country. Let them allocate 000 million rubles for the safety of each school. per year, that is, 1,8 rubles. per month. Total will turn out 150 billion rubles. per year on the safety of ALL children in our schools. For 000 rubles. In the month that I mentioned above, we can protect our children. P.S. There is enough money for the Viking, Matild, and other things, given that they are also withdrawn with our money. P.S.S. Personally, I would gladly agree to pay tax, even at 75,6, even at 150 rubles. a month more, for the sake of their safety, as well as all the children of our country.
    1. Boris25
      Boris25 16 January 2018 10: 50
      0
      And kindergartens ?? And universities, institutes, circles, sections, etc ???? who will protect ??? Do not carry nonsense, amateur accountant ...
    2. perm23
      perm23 16 January 2018 11: 15
      0
      What kind of school will it be. this time. Do you even understand what kind of protection is needed. Close all windows. pass. through the frame. armed security and how to shoot when children are nearby. and on the street how to protect them.
  29. ZuuT
    ZuuT 16 January 2018 10: 46
    0
    In order to answer the question posed in the title of the article, you need to know exactly what really happened ... The author gets confused ... they ran in, attacked the children, then they started cutting each other ... Where is the logic? And secondly, in Perm schools there has long been a mess, attacks on children and the disappearance of schoolchildren took place in 2016-2017. And thirdly, somehow not sure. that Motovilikha district, where the school is located, is the central one, it has always been a working district of the city
  30. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 16 January 2018 10: 46
    +4
    Unfortunately, the current government in Russia does not understand or does not want to understand the reasons that led to this tragedy. In fact, all these reasons are a consequence of liberal capitalism, the version that is accepted in the USA. Dear forum users, I give information for thought: In the United States a small part of the population of all the inhabitants of the Earth lives, but the United States accounts for almost 90% of all serial killers. Until 2005, statistics on serial numbers in Russia was available and every year it grew in arithmetic progression and the last value was, if I am not mistaken, about 400-500 people. Then it was simply closed, now this is, at best, chipboard information. This moment is very revealing. I would not want a bad news prophet, but if the current government remains in power (I apologize for the tautology), the situation will only get worse!
  31. Boris25
    Boris25 16 January 2018 10: 47
    +1
    Some zhur.nashlyu have such a gift-- to make a nightmare of a century from a single crime, raise horror to heaven, look for deep-seated reasons in this, it is imperative to kick the state, society, parents and a specific President. And it’s weak to get yourself a guard at school, to check with addiction all who enter and leave this school more than once or twice, but EVERY DAY AND YEARS ????? No, I don’t agree, they pay little, they don’t respect him. Zhur.nashlyuhom better. The salary is greater, and the work is not dusty --- yelled into the bushes, and you argue ... Tfu, an abomination ..
  32. Prometey
    Prometey 16 January 2018 10: 59
    +6
    Three points are correctly written in the article:
    1. The state has almost completely removed the responsibility for raising children from their parents and transferred it to school.
    2. The school became responsible even for the privacy of adolescents, turning teachers into switchmen. Moreover, NEVER higher authorities will not be liable for such incidents.
    3. There is no system in our country of the inevitability of an answer for antisocial misconduct for adolescents - they are children.
    Our entire educational system is now riddled with the ideas of humanization, which sometimes takes on a hypertrophic and perverse character. The teacher is no longer a mentor, he is an accomplice in the educational process, he must speak on equal terms with all students (only how, then, to teach them?). Maybe that would be right if all the children were angels. But try heart-to-heart talk with an uneducable juvenile moron. There is, indeed, such a category of children who have a persistent change in the psyche. Their behavior is initially deviant and they are practically untrained. In Soviet times, the administration had the right to expel them from school, and the path they had was only in special. a school with a semi-closed regime, where representatives of the rule of law were always present at the lessons. Now it is impossible to expel from school up to 15 years. Teachers should wipe their snot and persuade them, and they will spit in their face.
    The process of training and education itself is violent in nature. The teacher cannot be on a par with the student, otherwise he will not teach them anything. No, of course, that teachers also need to be controlled. Among them there are many incompetent specialists (much less without them). But the school will never replace parenting.
    In the summer, a teenager dropped from the 14th floor in our city. Where did the prosecution go first? To school. And do not care that the holidays and teachers deserved vacation. And there is nothing to go on vacation - they should have identified suicidal tendencies in this teenager. Not revealed, then do not conscientiously fulfill their duties. And parents, no matter what.
    So in this case, the authorities have already found switchmen. Of course, the school will be responsible for everything. The state alone is always with us.
  33. istepanov
    istepanov 16 January 2018 11: 08
    0
    The obvious end is
    - a blow to Navalny,
    - in revenge for the pig’s head at the site of the alleged construction of the synagogue
    - dumping into the systemically false goal-setting of school protection.
    - and a 100500 distraction from the Boldyrevo gang with Austrian billions of dollars and possibly even more important events in the United States. Those. Jews blocked their black info-band with oncoming fire. Something like this. And since they are now black everywhere and forever, a rat driven into a corner will throw itself.
    Trump this moment, as always brilliant, explained: "" When you drain the swamp, you need to look after alligators. ""
  34. perm23
    perm23 16 January 2018 11: 13
    +1
    Children to educate and punish. it's time from the age of 12 to drive responsibility and tough.
  35. andrew42
    andrew42 16 January 2018 11: 23
    +1
    insular,
    So the powers that be PPP unnecessarily. They have their own telaki, or chop to the edge.
  36. passerby5
    passerby5 16 January 2018 11: 33
    +5
    street children ... single psychopaths ... psychologists, educators ...
    . invented a pancake. in Soviet times, there were plenty of 1st and 2nd, but they didn’t hear about the third ones, but there was a “slap” and “put in a corner” .... and nothing grew up. They built a country (I’m talking about the older generation). and we have all the vagaries and jumps treated through labor, encouragement, punishment. and right now, you know, the rights of a child. they are somehow or wrongly explained to them - what they perceive as permissiveness ... or those who explain - they themselves simply do not understand the boundary between good and bad
  37. Old warrior
    Old warrior 16 January 2018 11: 37
    +2
    Just about from all the specialists they’re making special servants — hence all the problems. The rods need to be returned.
  38. andrew42
    andrew42 16 January 2018 11: 50
    +2
    The incident in Perm indicates a growing problem. The problem has a clear chain of reasons: 1) the ideology of money and social inequality, giving rise to the de facto untouchability / irresponsibility of some and the defeat of the rights of others (de facto!) 2) as a result, they do not give a damn about the younger generation of "the masses" - Well, not the “builders of communism”, but the future service staff, which may also “not fit into the market” 3) do not give a damn about what is growing there, then punish the hard one not with your hands: indeed, since the Serdyukovs don’t sit, then introduce a criminal with 12 is the top of immorality, but in fact it would be necessary! 4) law enforcement officers working "in the field" - the cat wept, their provision is negligible, respect tends to zero. At the same time, the very idea of ​​a certain likeness of the DND is a red rag for the authorities, and it carries unauthorized formations with "extremism"! It’s not for this that we are condemned for self-defense by one or two in order to give powers to the population to protect themselves. There are "corpse registrars" for this. 4 *) while still a nuance climbs out: sorry, but who is in the school teachers? - some women. There is no male upbringing as such, even theoretically. A sort of mega character "parent 1 + parent 2" and both females. Hence the male irresponsibility among the boys, in fact, "womanish upbringing" - and this is a potential collapse of the country - Lev Gumilev to help you. Previously, in a typical Soviet school there were at least three Muzhiks — a military commander, a physical education teacher, and a Trudovik. This would be enough to wrap any hooligan’s hands during working hours and turn them in.
    1. Sasha_Sar
      Sasha_Sar 16 January 2018 14: 47
      0
      And we still had a mathematician and a historian. I’m very glad that the mathematician teaches my mummies, and not the mathematician,
  39. free
    free 16 January 2018 13: 54
    +1
    PPD,
    these are just the officials on whom the prison is crying.
  40. Normal ok
    Normal ok 16 January 2018 13: 58
    +1
    Recently, the spread of new youth criminal subcultures (the so-called sub-culture "AUE" - "The Prisoners' Unity") in educational institutions in several regions of Russia has been discussed at the highest level.

    In fact, this problem is much more serious than individual outbreaks of violence. Because a stable children's criminal environment has formed. And it began at the end of the prosperous 70's. In our courtyard, many teenagers earned money by throwing over the fence, into the "zone", all kinds of items and products prohibited by the regime of the zone. And naturally, they were inclined to idealize "zonovskie" concepts. Later, in the 80's, a huge part of the boys from the yard died of drugs or went into bandits.
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 16 January 2018 22: 47
      +3
      Many were inclined to idealize the zone. Therefore, when I was in charge of a juvenile crime case, I, as an investigator, preferred to resolve the issue of their arrest before trial. Then the issue with the arrest was decided by the prosecutor. He knew very well that the court would not give the kid a real term, but, as a rule, he agreed with me. Those guys who sat before the trial and received conditionally or with a delay in 90% of cases did not commit anything illegal. Such was the prophylaxis ... And now - "they are children!"
  41. Lexus
    Lexus 16 January 2018 14: 16
    0
    The scourge of our time. Youth all over the world are degrading.
  42. Sasha_Sar
    Sasha_Sar 16 January 2018 14: 36
    +2
    It becomes scary for our children. This is all a consequence, and the reason is that the state simply does not give a damn about the younger generation. According to the programs that they study in schools, "consumers" grow up. Take a look at the textbook of history and literature for fun. Pupils of the 6,7th grade do not know who Alexander Matrosov is, who are the pioneer heroes. What is Piskarevsky cemetery. This is one facet. Another side, young people watch TV, the Internet and see characters like Baghdasaryan, Majidov spitting on the law. A legitimate question arises, why can't I? The next line is when politicians and officials say one thing and act differently. Young people have always been and will be maximalists, they do not feel justice more sharply than their parents. Self-affirmation will all come first. Of course, no one takes responsibility for raising children from their parents. But some parents are not able to properly raise their "child". Parents do not participate in the preparation of training programs, parents cannot change the law enforcement system that has developed over the past 25 years. There is little hope (or rather visibility) to change politicians, but how the elections were held on September 10, 2017 in my province. This is not an election, this is a circus tent.
  43. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 January 2018 14: 39
    +3
    Our state has completely relieved itself of responsibility for people's health, for education. Soon he will throw off his pension. They are on their own, we are on our own. The main thing is not to forget to pay taxes.
  44. Altona
    Altona 16 January 2018 14: 43
    +5
    Quote: Spartanez300
    The entire education system needs to be reviewed and changed

    ----------------------------------
    Without a state ideology, your wish is futile. You have the Internet, access to information. Look at the education system in capitalist countries. It breaks up into 2 different formations. Classical in closed elite schools for the rich. And the universal educational consumer goods educational program for the broad working masses, where there will be such subjects as "letter and spelling" instead of grammar; "natural science" instead of physics, chemistry, biology; "counting" instead of mathematics; "creativity" instead of music, drawing, sketching and home economics. And it cannot be otherwise under capitalism. Institutions will also degenerate. Yesterday, only Semin showed what is being taught at MEPhI. Term paper on the subject of "complex engineering systems" based on the tale "Pied Piper". Like, disassemble the usefulness of the activity and try to separate the rats from the children. And where is the "engineering system"? Oscillatory contours, proportional links, feedbacks, all kinds of sets? It’s just horror.
  45. fa2998
    fa2998 16 January 2018 17: 02
    +3
    Quote: Cyril732017
    Parents are forced to survive, working 10-12 hours a day, in order to somehow make ends meet ...

    And the parents of the injured children for years paid for the "protection", the debtors blushed at the clan assembly, received a reminder in the diary and by phone — TROUBLES COME, WELL AND WHERE THIS IS “PROTECTED!”
    We ourselves pay-60-70-100-150 rubles. For some it’s a penny, and many live on the last. And what to pay for! If you count 100 rubles. × 500 children = 500 00 rubles. and the grandfather guard gets a penny, just a new file!
    Either completely remove the useless security, or introduce full-time (budgetary) security posts at the school. I think you can attract retired police officers, etc. hi
  46. Suharik.inline
    Suharik.inline 16 January 2018 18: 18
    +2
    Roasted rooster pecked at the fifth point, now commissions and other gatherings in the offices but is it a little ahead of schedule? Well, the same question for parents? Educators pancake .......
    And now, if God forbid, a relative of the victims will arrange lynching for a degrading daughter or son who grew up without a dope in his head, there will be science. Wrong by the standards of the law, but I would have done that for my daughter. And fathers for sons should be ashamed.
    Guys damn it ......
  47. Doliva63
    Doliva63 16 January 2018 19: 08
    +7
    This is greetings from the "American dream," which many patients still believe on their heads.
  48. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 16 January 2018 20: 50
    +4
    Two 16-year-old moral freaks, the generation of "stability", "Dom-2" and the exam.
    Pioneers in the "terrible USSR" did not think of such a thing.
  49. Krabik
    Krabik 16 January 2018 21: 04
    +1
    I read the article and the thought came to mind: "The salvation of drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves."
  50. Chaos
    Chaos 16 January 2018 21: 33
    0
    The article is not about anything, almost all comments, with rare exceptions, too. Crime will never be eradicated.