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Stories about weapons. Thompson Submachine Gun

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All lovers armory stories They know Tommy Gun very well. Our story today will be about this long-liver of the world of weapons with disassembly and comments by Andrei Bondar from the Infanteria historical reconstruction club.



The history of the submachine gun began in the distant 1916 year, when retired American Army General John Thompson and industrialist Tom Ryan decided to make an automatic rifle for the US Army.

For this Thompson even bought a patent from the designer John Blish for the semi-free gate of the original design.

However, not much versed in the affairs of the design Thompson a little deceived. To say that the Blish shutter was incomplete is to say nothing. Automation did not provide full locking barrel at the time of the shot. The only cartridge with which the Blysch bolt worked normally was the .45 ACP pistol.

In short, enough to not return the money, but not enough for an automatic rifle.

But it was in America, and it was difficult to stop a real Yankee general. Thompson decided not to refine the unsuccessful bolt for the rifle, but to make a small-sized light machine gun for a pistol cartridge intended for combat at a close range and assault operations.

Naturally, under the pistol cartridge .45, to which the brainchild of Blish was working normally.

Thompson himself called his idea submachine-gun ("sub sub machine gun"), which was established in the western writing. For us, the name of the submachine gun is more familiar, so we will call it further along the play.



In 1918, the first batch of the Thompson submachine gun came out and was useless to no one. The First World War has already ended, and in peacetime, finding a sustainable market for weapons of this type was somewhat problematic.

By 1921, the submachine gun was thoroughly refined. As a result, it turned out that Thompson M1921, which is known to us.

However, the hype was not observed. Submachine gun sold reluctantly. The army, although it purchased a test batch and even tried it in real combat conditions in Latin America, but it was not in a hurry to arm itself without exception.

The blame was mainly served by a rather high price for those times (200 dollars) and the specificity of the use of the Thompson. Quite heavy and effective at a distance of 50 m, the submachine gun did not quite fit the then doctrine of combat.

It is known that Thompson and Ryan were saved by gangsters from financial collapse. They appreciated the Thompson M1921, which is very effective in urban environments. Since 1928, the real street wars with the use of these weapons have unfolded in the US, and in order to keep up with the “bad guys”, the government began to purchase the M1921 for the police and the FBI.

Money flowed, though not a river. The project survived. Moreover, the "Tommi-gan" still made his way into the army. But it was a separate story.

The Thompson military version, М1928, was completed in 1929, but it only got into service with the US Army in 1938.



The submachine gun was considerably simplified: a muzzle brake was developed, a reduced rate of fire, a simplified sight, a free slide instead of a semi-free one, and power for cartridges only from box magazines.

To a large extent, the emergence of the M1928 in the US Army contributed to the saturation of troops with equipment. And the crew needed just such a weapon - a compact and powerful at close range.

If in the period from 1918 to 1939. the number of machine pistols produced did not exceed 30 thousand, then since the beginning of World War II, from 1940 to 1944, the Thompson 1.387.134 was manufactured. The latest submachine guns of this type were only decommissioned by the FBI in 1976.

The Tommi-Ghans fought with us, moreover, long before lend-lease deliveries.

In 1924, through intermediaries in Mexico, the leadership of the USSR purchased the party М1921, which entered service for the troops of the OGPU and the border troops.

"Thompsons" were actively used on the southern borders during battles with basmachs. In the service documentation, they were called "Thompson machine guns".



A considerable number, namely 135 thousand, of Thompson's submachine guns were supplied to the USSR as part of the Lend-Lease program, including as additional equipment for a variety of military equipment (Tanks, airplanes, trucks), but they did not get wide distribution due to a number of shortcomings.

You can talk about the lack of effective firing range, sensitivity to pollution, lack of ammunition.



But the main reason was the presence of much more successful models of domestic submachine guns. PPSH-41 and PPS-43 were more practical and in demand among the troops than the Thompsons.

Stories about weapons. Thompson Submachine Gun


"Thompson" continues to be used in armed conflict to date.

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  1. Vard
    Vard 17 January 2018 15: 15 New
    +2
    What is good is not very powerful cartridge gives a weak return ... Which allows you to hold the sight while firing in long bursts ...
    1. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 9 February 2018 20: 37 New
      -1
      Nobody knows what kind of bard on advertising an alpha bank with a guitar is by chance not a little ring from N. Urengoy ..
  2. Pate
    Pate 17 January 2018 15: 49 New
    0
    Submachine gun of American gangsters of the times of their "Prohibition" !!!
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 17 January 2018 15: 51 New
    +9
    In 1924, through intermediaries in Mexico, the leadership of the USSR purchased the party М1921, which entered service for the troops of the OGPU and the border troops.
    "Thompsons" were actively used on the southern borders during battles with basmachs. In the service documentation, they were called "Thompson machine guns".

    Interesting information. The first time I found out about this. Yes, live and learn.
    However, not much versed in the affairs of the design Thompson a little deceived. To say that the Blish shutter was incomplete is to say nothing. Automation did not provide full locking barrel at the time of the shot. The only cartridge with which the Blysch bolt worked normally was the .45 ACP pistol.

    And here the old saying is confirmed: "Do not deceive, do not sell."
  4. Train
    Train 17 January 2018 16: 16 New
    +4
    Quite a worthy weapon compared to the same PPSh, it was also not sugar, it was also sensitive to pollution. Thompson’s range is small, how small? It was not designed for firing over 100 meters. The machine gun is effective at a distance of 100 meters — no more than any! "at his own distance" is a good weapon ... because if 11.45 gets into the carcass, then there’s not much for anyone
    1. Theodore
      Theodore 17 January 2018 22: 03 New
      +5
      He didn’t always break the padded jacket! A PPSh the same cartridge as the TT used!
      1. Train
        Train 18 January 2018 10: 01 New
        +1
        Yes, all the guns did not pierce the quilted jackets machine guns))) I heard the same tale about Suomi))) This weapon was created for assault groups and close combat !!!! - the determining value - at the beginning of the article!
    2. Poppy
      Poppy 18 January 2018 11: 15 New
      +2
      But he is too heavy for army weapons
  5. Naputeon bonaput
    Naputeon bonaput 17 January 2018 17: 46 New
    +1
    Typewriter.
  6. Bormanxnumx
    Bormanxnumx 17 January 2018 18: 45 New
    +4
    effective at a distance of up to 50 m, the submachine gun did not quite fit the then doctrine of warfare

    http://gunsforum.com/topic/1728-ostanavlivayusche
    e-deystvie-3 /? tab = comments # comment-23088
    I recommend that you look at a comparison of the wound ballistics of cartridges 7,62x25 and .45ACP at different distances, and there is accuracy in firing bursts from PPSh and Tomposon at distances up to 200m.
    1. sd68
      sd68 17 January 2018 21: 30 New
      +8
      The firing range of 7,62 is much higher, which is important for army weapons, the stopping effect of 11,45 or 9 mm is more important primarily for police weapons
    2. aws4
      aws4 18 January 2018 05: 06 New
      0
      Thank you for the link, but some things confused me in it ... and yet it turns out that Tomi and 50 m are strange. As a teenager at school, I dug a printed book from the military commissar from the military commissar .. it contained the main types of weapons of NATO countries, Tom it was but there was a colt70 .. and so in this Soviet little book it was indicated that this pistol allows you to fight at a distance of up to 1911 meters despite the fact that all other pistols are up to 70 ... something like that
    3. Train
      Train 18 January 2018 10: 11 New
      +1
      Thank you, I read it, and here’s surprise. However, as I expected, something like Tommy like didn’t penetrate a padded jacket-nonsense full-powerful cartridge, soft recoil, heavy bullet. It was a good weapon, and pre-war samples with their milling cutter were more reliable and reliable!
    4. brn521
      brn521 18 January 2018 12: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: BORMAN82
      there and about the accuracy of firing bursts from PPSh and Tomposon at distances up to 200m.

      There is a suspicion that with a steepness of the .45 ACP trajectory, for shooting at 200 m, Thompson will need a laser rangefinder and a micrometer screw on the whole. However, this is for snipers and hunters with their tables of excesses.
      As for punching padded jackets similarly. Claim to .45 ACP in what? At -20, and even more so at -30 degrees, the power drops so much that it does not pierce the double-padded coat, and dents appear on dry boards instead of bullet holes. So we put the charged Thompson in the freezer and only after that we look at the result.
      Wound ballistics to determine the effectiveness of a cartridge in combat conditions is not enough. If the enemy behind the wooden doors and shutters is like behind a stone wall, then this is definitely bad.
      1. Bormanxnumx
        Bormanxnumx 18 January 2018 15: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: brn521
        There is a suspicion that with a steepness of the .45 ACP trajectory, for shooting at 200 m, Thompson will need a laser rangefinder and a micrometer screw on the whole. However, this is for snipers and hunters with their tables of excesses.

        Cartridge 7.62x25, 5.5g bullet, PPSh 500m / s. Cartridge .45ASP, bullet 14.9g, Thompson 330m / s. The ballistic calculator gives the magnitude of the gain for a distance of 200m for .45ASP 60cm, 7.62t 40cm. External ballistics of both cartridges allows you to confidently hit at least 200m growth target. For the sake of interest, I considered an increase for 300m when shooting at 0 at 200m, it turned out respectively 195cm .45 and 150cm for 7.62TT.
        1. brn521
          brn521 18 January 2018 18: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: BORMAN82
          Cartridge .45ASP, bullet 14.9g, Thompson 330m / s

          At one time, I searched the Internet for evidence of the existence and use of reinforced “automatic” versions of cartridges during WWII. No characteristics, no volumes, nothing. In this case, a clearly reinforced cartridge.
          Quote: BORMAN82
          External ballistics of both cartridges

          That is the point. It is not known what kind of cartridge this squeezed out as much as 330 m / s and how many of them were in the army at all. With the same success it is possible to recharge the Czechoslovak, and even even the Polish, post-war cartridges in the PPSh.
          Quote: BORMAN82
          For the sake of interest, I considered an increase for 300m when shooting at 0 at 200m, it turned out respectively 195cm .45 and 150cm for 7.62TT.

          With 7,62 easier. There is NSD for PPSh from 1946 http://1941-1945.ru/ppsh.pdf There are tables of excesses in the appendix at the end. Is there any instruction for Thompson?
          1. Alex koch
            Alex koch 21 January 2018 12: 37 New
            +1

            Thompson. Thompson submachine gun manual. 1942 Amtorg Edition, http://voennizdat.com/downloadbook.php?id=1306
            1. brn521
              brn521 22 January 2018 15: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Alex Koch
              Thompson Submachine Gun Guide

              It turns out that Thompson’s excess is on average about 1,7 times greater. This means the working distance, on which you do not need to bother with amendments, i.e. range of a direct shot, he has somewhere less by the same amount.
              Why is this necessary. From PPSh firing in short bursts at a distance of up to 200m was carried out with the installation of the sight at 20, without unnecessary amendments and trouble with determining the distance. At AKM, the distance increased to 300m. The AK-74 is up to 400m. At Thompson it will be about 120 meters. The longer this distance, the greater the chance of hitting the enemy at different distances or in difficult conditions.
  7. gross kaput
    gross kaput 17 January 2018 19: 06 New
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    The article is a vivid example of how NOT to "write" articles.
    A sort of collection of magazines at the level of "Young Technician" and the author’s own fantasies.
    Let’s analyze it in more detail - in fact, Thompson got excited about the idea of ​​developing a light automatic weapon for a pistol cartridge in 1914, in 1915, he, looking through patents for automatic weapons samples, became interested in the Blish patent, after which an agreement was reached between Blish and Thompson - Thompson uses the Blish patent in its development, it is looking for an investor to create a company, and Blish receives for his patent .... there is not money, but 3% of the shares in the company. Thompson found an investor in the face of tobacco magnate Ryan in 1916. Auto ordnance Cor. was created. Those. there was no talk of selling the Blish patent, Blish became a co-owner (albeit small) of the manufacturer’s company and his income directly depended on how successful the product would be.
    2. In 1918, not the first batch of PP came out, but the first direct prototype of Tommy-gan appeared, it was called "Annihilator". In 1919, the American term Sub Machine gun was born in the bowels of Auto Ordance.
    in 1920, the first demonstration of the brought to mind Tommy-gan took place, and Colt wanted to buy the rights to the sample for 1 million, but Ryan refused. Although a contract was signed with Colt for the production of Tommy Guns on a subcontract basis and the first 15 M000 software were assembled in Colt. Most of them fell into the U.S. Army, but contrary to expectations, they did not arouse much interest, only the KMP became interested in the Tommy Ghana but put forward their specific requirements, as a result, the M1921 appeared under a more powerful cartridge .1923 Thompson having a longer sleeve length than the .45 automatic transmission. But the first more or less large order from the Commission was received only in 45. and already on the PCB under the standard cartridge .1927AKKP. So Thompson model 45 appeared. Prior to WWII, army orders for Tommy Ghans came only from foreign countries; Denmark ordered France and the latter did not manage to get them before their defeat and the French order tommies left for Britain.
    3. As for the "simplified" M1928 - bullshit M1928 was the most tricked out of the entire Tommy family. the first simplifications began in the M1928A1 and then not at first production, but from the end of 1940 - the compensator and barrel fins were removed, the front handle was replaced by a fore-end, the frame sight gave way to a simple diopter pillar but not about any reduction in rate of fire or refusal in relation to M1928-M1928A1 does not go. At the end of 1941 a simplified version of Thompson M-1 appeared; now it no longer had the possibility of connecting disk stores, and the most simplified version of M1A1 appeared at the end of 1942; so it already had no blish insert and worked with a free shutter.
    4. Lendliz - from where the authors pulled out the figure of 135000, only God knows - the Americans themselves believe that they delivered 137000 PP BUT to the USSR, the total amount of which included both THOMPSON and PP Racing, which was also delivered to more than ten thousand.
    1. John22
      John22 18 January 2018 10: 15 New
      +2
      Clarification: the Thompson M1 model was launched from 1.04.1942/1/1 (shown in the clip), and the M1943 AXNUMX model from June XNUMX.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 18 January 2018 18: 23 New
        -1
        As for the exact start date of the release I will not say, I was guided by the dates of the changes in the drawings.
    2. Train
      Train 18 January 2018 10: 15 New
      0
      AAAAI! -Thank you !!!!
    3. Kibb
      Kibb 19 January 2018 13: 08 New
      0
      Excellent, write an article
  8. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust 17 January 2018 19: 31 New
    +2
    Milled miracle!
  9. John22
    John22 17 January 2018 19: 34 New
    +3
    Thompson did not buy a patent for a half-free shutter. In 1916, he created a company with the participation of John Blish - the owner of a patent for the development of automatic weapons - under-machine gun, as it was then called.
  10. Zubr
    Zubr 17 January 2018 21: 35 New
    +2
    smile The anthem
  11. sd68
    sd68 17 January 2018 22: 08 New
    +2
    During the war, a version of Thompson was developed under the cartridge 0.30 carbine, but he was not interested in the military.
    Despite the fact that the carbine cartridge had an initial bullet speed of more than 2 times that of 0.45
  12. Sasha75
    Sasha75 18 January 2018 00: 02 New
    0
    They threw them with cartridges and pouches more than once found in landfills, so they did not like this weapon in our campaign.
  13. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 18 January 2018 01: 34 New
    +3
    This is a purely police weapon. The .45 cartridge does not greatly contribute to firing further than 100 m, and the piercing ability of a blunt bullet is lame on both legs. And what weight does PP have! In my opinion, the best PP during the war is our PPP-43. PPS is lightweight, cheap, easy to maintain and fires a powerful pistol cartridge.
    1. sd68
      sd68 18 January 2018 08: 04 New
      +1
      Nevertheless, the world's main cartridge for PP is 9mm Parabellum.
    2. Train
      Train 18 January 2018 10: 18 New
      +4
      Damn, PPP was never the best — they didn’t like it in the army! - it was painfully flimsy and capricious, according to the veteran, it was convenient to fight with the teaching staff, those who never actually shot him and dragged him on the belt. That is, the gun’s calculations, okhana, car drivers, etc. It was sad. .g.gg Laziness right now to connect depot-look for complaints on this miracle weapon
      1. Northern warrior
        Northern warrior 18 January 2018 11: 08 New
        +1
        Those PPs that were made in besieged Leningrad did not differ in particular reliability and resource, but the later series of PPS were more reliable than PPSh-41 and MP-40.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 27 January 2018 18: 20 New
        0
        Train

        And in war small arms are not particularly fought, but they are dragged with them just in case. Mostly fighting with artillery. Therefore, the resource for wartime small arms is not particularly important. The main thing is to shoot on time. And shooting on time is a bunch of store receiver store. At faculty with this seems to be normal.

        And in peacetime, weapons are made efficiently and for a long time. So that they do not deteriorate in warehouses and do not wear out at shooting ranges.
  14. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 18 January 2018 02: 26 New
    +2
    Why even make a half-free shutter? To reduce the rate of fire up to 500-700 rpm, you can simply increase the shutter stick, the stiffness of the return spring and prick the cartridge capsule until the shutter stops in its extreme forward position. Such a scheme is much simpler, more reliable and cheaper to manufacture than a game with bronze inserts and rollers. Each design decision must have a justification, otherwise it flies into the trash.
    1. Train
      Train 18 January 2018 10: 18 New
      0
      Well, if you made a semi-free shutter, then this was the best solution ... at that time ...
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 18 January 2018 18: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Northern warrior
      Such a scheme is much simpler, more reliable and cheaper to manufacture,

      And physically not possible in PP laughing The mullet about rollout in the software was launched by Bolotin who, without understanding the shutter device MP-40, decided that it works on the rollout.
      Why is it impossible? - corny - ignition of the capsule and pressure increase in the sleeve to the value allowing stopping the shutter should occur at a strictly fixed moment - with an accuracy of 0,5 mm stroke if ignition occurs earlier then it will break the sleeve if later it will not be rolled out. Now the task for elementary school is that the shutter speed of the MP-40 shutter at the end of the stroke is 3 m / s, a distance of 0,5 mm, it passes in 0,00015 seconds, it is fundamentally impossible to achieve such ignition accuracy on modern capsules, apart from the influence of air temperature on speed of ignition and increase in pressure, pollution and wear of weapons, etc. In general, shooting from the roll-out at the PP is a myth, the only system in the world that shoots at the roll-out is the oerlikon (Oerlikon) family of small-caliber anti-aircraft and automatic machine guns. sleeves with an annular groove less than the diameter of the body of the sleeve) and forced tapping of the capsule at a strictly fixed moment of movement, this feature is realized by a trigger that is placed directly in the bolt and breaks from the cocking due to interaction with the box element at the moment of movement, and despite the large length of the sleeve with a thick bottom and, correspondingly, an extended ignition interval, the shutter runs into the chamber precisely for the purpose of ensuring that the ignition time period is guaranteed to coincide with the full placement of the sleeve in the chamber under any adverse conditions.
      1. brn521
        brn521 19 January 2018 10: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: gross kaput
        In general, shooting from the rollout in the PP is a myth

        This is interesting. He wondered how this is possible. But since 100% of the sources spoke about rolling the shutter off the PP, I had to take it for an axiom. Allegedly, a decrease in the mass and size of the PP occurred due to the use of rollout.
        1. gross kaput
          gross kaput 20 January 2018 00: 14 New
          0
          This is normal, he himself took for a long time as an axiom the rollout in some PPs, and once talking to a person who had only general knowledge of the arrangement of weapons, he began to tell him about the mirror gap and the possibility of rupture of the sleeve with a large gap and stumbled upon his question and how is it then Does PP work out? And he was already thinking - how? counted rummaged in weapons design textbooks and realized that it doesn’t work in software at all - this is a mistake laughing Then it became already interesting where did such an interesting “feature” of PP come from? And it came from the incorrect interpretation of the design of the shutter MP-40 in the "material part of small arms" 46g. publications since the work was quite serious and authoritative, many began simply to take it on faith, although in specialized design textbooks the roll-out was described only with reference to the Oerlikons and its cunning design of the sleeve, chamber and bolt.
  15. myobius59
    myobius59 18 January 2018 08: 59 New
    +3
    A couple of years ago I read the memoirs of a war veteran. The fact is that these submachine guns came complete with Sherman tanks. like there were 2 pcs. and, therefore, were in service with the tankers who fought on these tanks
    So here. as he claimed, a bullet from this p-p did not penetrate two worn quilted jackets. The distance is not exactly written.
    And by the way, he praised the MP-40 very much, and for its compactness, in comparison with the Thompson, and for the performance characteristics.
    If he lied, then so did I.
    1. Train
      Train 18 January 2018 10: 21 New
      +1
      I didn’t read about the quilted jacket, of course, it’s not clear from what distance he shot-11.43 Colt is a powerful bullet with a heavy bullet. MP 38-40, all of us who didn’t deal with him, they said that it was done with high quality and the burnishing was in order better — did not rust — according to one veteran — crossing the small river at the bottom of the scaffold, he raised the thrown mp, shook it off, looked even no rust, our grit, it passed in the rain, it’s all-red
    2. brn521
      brn521 19 January 2018 11: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: myobius59
      So here. as he claimed, a bullet from this p-p did not penetrate two worn quilted jackets.

      It was more specific. There were tales that some fighters in the winter argued on holding a shot from Thompson, putting on two quilted jackets. The power of a shot in the cold actually drops. The SVD seems to have a gas regulator for this, aligning the winter and summer trajectories. But this is a rifle cartridge with a large weight of gunpowder. In the original .45 ACP, the weight of the gunpowder is very small compared to the caliber and the mass of the bullet. In theory, if there are few gunpowder gases, then they will quickly cool by contacting with a frozen chamber, a bullet and a barrel. At .45, the area of ​​contacting surfaces is much larger than that of 7,62.
  16. Meshchersky
    Meshchersky 18 January 2018 16: 35 New
    +3
    A friend in Seattle has Tommy Gan's fortieth year of release, so I had to shoot. The machine is good, handy, nice to shoot, the impact is not strong. There were no delays during the shooting. Separately, it should be noted a very high quality workmanship, although the sample is army.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 27 January 2018 15: 11 New
      0
      Like an army weapon, Thompson said softly; nowhere is worse.

      The high quality finish of weapons manufactured in the United States at that time was considered normal.
  17. soldier
    soldier 19 January 2018 10: 19 New
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    Interesting stuff.
    Before that, Thompson was associated with me as an indispensable attribute of the arms of the bootlegger of the Prohibition era and the mafiosi of the 20-30s. And of course the fbi-tsev who drove them
  18. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 19 January 2018 13: 28 New
    0
    Thompson is a great thing, horn ...
  19. Catfish
    Catfish 21 January 2018 02: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: Zug
    Damn, PPP was never the best — they didn’t like it in the army! - it was painfully flimsy and capricious, according to the veteran, it was convenient to fight with the teaching staff, those who never actually shot him and dragged him on the belt. That is, the gun’s calculations, okhana, car drivers, etc. It was sad. .g.gg Laziness right now to connect depot-look for complaints on this miracle weapon


    However, oddly enough, it was the Germans who, shortly after the end of the war, copied Sudaev and produced under the name Duks. We changed only the ammunition by putting 9x19 instead of ours. Armed them with border guards. And, which is typical, having their own MR-shki in warehouses, they preferred PPP. Probably fools, right?
    1. Train
      Train 27 January 2018 23: 28 New
      0
      Well, if an automatic veteran then ...
      Here are the complaints from the front:
      Leave the officers and rear units in service, as its rate of fire is less and less convenient in hand-to-hand combat "..." By PPS machine gun it has poor accuracy "..." PPSh should be removed from production altogether. PPS to weight the barrel, make the machine durable, like a German. It is desirable to have the machine very durable and not deformed by impact; falls; increase its mass for strength when used in hand-to-hand combat. It’s like German shops to it. ”...“ PPS more often refuses to battle than PPSh. Especially often the extractor breaks. The design does not allow to eliminate the pitching of the store. Of the two duplicated samples of PPSh and PPS, the most meets the combat requirements of PPSh "..." PPS is an individual automatic weapon. When used correctly, it is trouble-free, lightweight, and has great maneuverability in close combat.

      Negative sides:

      - There is no aimed fire in its weight and instability. In the practice of World War II, units were avoided to acquire faculty due to excessive reloading of stores. It was believed that a store with 30 rounds was not enough, and spare ones at the height of the battle were often lost and at one store it turned out to be inferior (meaning PP. - Approx.) - whereas the PPSh in the presence of one store was quite combat ready. I didn’t acquire PPP from fighters because of its instability when shooting. ”
      And that's not all....
  20. gladcu2
    gladcu2 27 January 2018 15: 06 New
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    I didn’t even watch the video. I watched how the collection of weapons in the background of the author was randomly scattered and did not waste time.

    The article is more interesting. Here are the facts about 128 to Thompson procured by the USSR strained. Unreal. It is known that Thompson was attached to the Lendlis tank, along with a set of Colt 1911. Therefore, to say that the USSR purchased so many tanks .... It is doubtful.

    Thompson is not at all compact. This is a big and heavy drin ... It was adopted by the army under the pressure of circumstances.

    There is a story that Thompson's bullet does not penetrate two quilted jackets put on each other.

    Like guns of thugs, Thompson is perfect. Like an army weapon, disgusting.
  21. Horse, people and soul
    Horse, people and soul 29 June 2018 19: 29 New
    0
    The main drawback of Tommigan as a military weapon is the weight of cartridges that must be carried around. The weight of 100 rounds is more than two kilograms. Weight 400 rounds - almost 9 kilograms ...

    Hard labor.

    For 9x19 or 7.62x25 - either the weight is half as much. Or you can carry twice as much on yourself.