Chinese modular MLRS in Algeria

At the exercise in the 4 military district of the National People’s Army of Algeria, in the presence of the Chief of General Staff, General Ahmed Gayid-Salah, firing of the SR5 rocket launcher system manufactured by the Chinese corporation NORINCO was performed for the first time, reports bmpd.

“The combat vehicle of the MLRS SR5 is made on the chassis of the Chinese Taian TA5310 (6x6) and has a modular bikaliber launcher capable of using two transport-launch containers with missiles of two calibers - six 220 mm missiles or 20 missiles of 122 missiles. The launcher is equipped with a charging system for the modules (similar to that used on the American MLRS MLRS), ”the material says.

The firing range of 220-mm missiles is up to 60 km, and 122-mm missiles is up to 40 km. In this case, the possibility of using 220-mm missiles Shenlong 60 and Dragon 60 with inertial-satellite correction or laser semi-active guidance system in the final segment is announced.



The Algerian Defense Ministry became the third well-known recipient of the MLRS SR5 after the Marines of Venezuela and Bahrain.

Comments

[Irokez]

Hmm, but an interesting option for the diversity of the installation. There are such ammunition shoot, there are others you can shoot too. Some kind of versatility. Type machine with different barrels for different cartridges.

[KVU-NSVD]

This is a long-known scheme for batch charging systems. It has both pros and cons. Fundamentally - nothing complicated - the TZM arrives, takes off the shot package and puts another one with the desired caliber, and the commander on the automated control system simply switches to another program for calculating the settings for firing

[Lopatov]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

TZM arrives, removes the shot package and puts another

Specifically, this installation can do without specialized TZM. Principle, like the Americans, the lift on the package. Which is able to remove an empty TPK and install a new one directly from the ground or from an ordinary truck.

[KVU-NSVD]

Well or so - then the calculation abundance of such BM is interesting

[Lopatov]

Five people.

[Maz]

And I wonder why they are Algeria? Is it really so dangerous. Libya nearby, France, Italy, Spain, Gibraltar ...

[donavi49]

About the best "friend" - Morocco forgot. They have national - to measure someone thicker in every aspect.

[faiver]

Chota 220km somehow I do not really believe it

[Muvka]

Where did you see 220 km?

[faiver]

pah damn exactly the same caliber, sorry ...

[skomfit]

Why a pentathlete will lose to each champion in one of the pentathlon types, as the quantity goes against the quality.

[Lopatov]

Quote: skomfit

Why a pentathlete will lose to each champion in one of the pentathlon types, as the quantity goes against the quality.

This principle does not apply here. In most cases, multi-caliber MLRS outperform mono-caliber in terms of more optimal destruction of targets at different ranges.

The only problem is some redundancy of large machines at the battalion brigade level. However, apparently, the Algerians decided to use TOC as the "near" MLRS.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: Spade

The only problem is some redundancy of large machines at the level of the battalion brigade

In the sense of redundancy? In theory, on the contrary, the number of cars has been reduced, because instead of hail + tornado, there is one bag, and the lack of TZM again reduces the number of cars. So where does the redundancy of cars come from?

[Lopatov]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

In the sense of redundancy?

In terms of bringing one tray of bread to a private store is better on a pick-up truck than on a truck.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Please explain, I did not understand, no, I understand about the pickup, but how does this relate to the MLRS?

[Lopatov]

Well, here we are, they originally wanted a monster called "Tornado", capable of using any missiles, and which was supposed to replace the MLRS of all levels, from regiment brigade to artillery RGVK
But it turned out that at the level of the brigade regiment, where almost the only 122 mm RS is used, the Astrologer's chassis is clearly redundant. There for the eyes of the “Urals” enough. With all the consequences in the form of value. And the machine itself, and the service, and the fuel and lubricants consumed.

[ProkletyiPirat]

I realized, why then on the chassis of the Kamaz do not put? Ural clearly hood interferes, but on KAMAZ yes 8x8 why not put?

[Lopatov]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

I realized, why then on the chassis of the Kamaz do not put?

Due to the tendency to capsize. The Kazakhs have already delivered, now they are suffering.

[ProkletyiPirat]

another proof that neither the military nor the manufacturers are reluctant to engage in analytics in the field of technology, that’s not the fate of moving packages to the center and down, but the aiming elements to the side and top, thereby lowering the center of gravity and moving the bulk to the center, solving the problem of shifters. madhouse in general

[Lopatov]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

it’s not fate to transfer packages to the center and down

No luck, the cabin will limit the sector of guidance on the horizon. And this is not good.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Huh? cabin? so what is the problem to tighten the car? still shoot from a closed position!

[Lopatov]

Quote: ProkletyiPirat

so what is the problem to tighten the car?

The problem is the need to re-orient the machine. And it is very likely that when shooting at long range the built-in means of the machine itself will not be enough.
That is, in the worst case, a top loader will have to drive up to each of them, spin up the gyrocompass, orient the package in a new way. Somewhere 5-10 minutes for each car.

[ProkletyiPirat]

but after all, the MLRS does not shoot in a circular, and again, what is the problem of lowering the height of the cabin or changing the design of the carriage? For example, let there be not one but two lifting points for vertical guidance, one slightly in front of the other behind, and it is their sum that determines the aiming angle, that is, it is possible to raise the rear and the rear, and thus with the same cabin, get the same angles. Yes, I have to introduce an additional amendment to the ballistic computer, but I do not see this as a particular problem.

[Zaurbek]

In this case, another comparison is appropriate - the Pentathlon Champion versus local punks .... and with the beginning of the use of 220mm and 300mm satellite-corrected missiles, such installations become very important.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Zaurbek

In this case, another comparison is appropriate - the Pentathlon Champion versus the local punks.

In the annex to this particular MLRS, the champion has his left hand tied behind his back. Apparently, the Norinko could not achieve acceptable dispersion during modular loading. Therefore, 220-mm only in a controlled version. To the target area of ​​the ANN with correction by LPS, in place, laser illumination. It turns out an acceptable accuracy with a three-meter water meter.

[donavi49]

In this case, this is the evolutionary development of systems.

Batch charging gives too big advantages, including in combat terms.

If replaceable packages are realized, then the trailer is able to put packages with different caliber.

It doesn’t matter for the modern ACS - they’ll enter the shooting data for it, and it’ll just do the correction for the indicated type of missiles.

[Zaurbek]

He meant the accuracy of an ordinary package and a replacement one. Probably will be different ...

[ProkletyiPirat]

this is only an idea for a larger caliber because of the departure from the "ideal-optimal" ratio of the length and diameter of the rocket, it is treated with a longer chassis and a longer packet length with a larger caliber ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: Irokez

Some kind of versatility.

"Hurricane-1M."
TTX.

Classification
multiple launch rocket system
MZKT-7930 chassis
History

Country of origin Russia
Year (s) of operation
with 2016
dimensions
Weight in combat position, kg
no more 44500
Length in stowed position, mm
12 699
Width in the stowed position, mm
3070
Clearance, mm 400
weaponry
Caliber, mm
220/300
Number of guides
30/12

Firing Range, m: minimum - 8000;
maximum - 12000
Area of ​​defeat, m²
672 000

Mobility
engine's type
YaMZ-846
Engine power, hp Xnumx
Maximum speed on the highway, km / h
70
Cruising on the highway, km
1000
Wheel formula 8 × 8
http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/vooruzhenie_i_voenna
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_mikhaylovskuyu_artilleriyskuyu_akademiyu /

[Zaurbek]

Only KAMAZ with one package would be more correct

[kapitan92]

Quote: Zaurbek

Only KAMAZ with one package would be more correct

And one rail would fit on the GAZ 53 base! Where did you "dig" this photo?

TTX installation "Hurricane - 1M" cited above.

[Zaurbek]

It is better to exploit 2 KAMAZ than one hurricane such

[RUSS]

The Chinese are slowly squeezing the arms market from the United States and Russia, the price and only the price .....

[donavi49]

In this case, Trump Buteflike and the old rifle will not sell - he treats him no better than Iran. Obama, in principle, too - but he's better.

Therefore, the EU remains (active cooperation, especially in helicopters and navy), China (active cooperation in land forces and navy) and the Russian Federation.

They wanted generalists with packages and ACS.
There are such China and the Russian Federation. But from China - order and ship. For the Russian Federation - order and wait, for there are prototypes only.

The choice is obvious.