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The French are still waiting for payments from Russia on the royal debts

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Despite the agreement between Russia and France, in accordance with which the Russian Federation paid off the debts of the Russian Empire, French investors do not consider the issue closed, because Russia is “far from bankrupt,” the RFI publication writes.




“Exactly 100 years ago, in January 1918, Lenin signed a decree refusing to pay the royal debts. Thus, the enormous sums aimed at modernizing the Russian economy in the second half of the nineteenth century were never paid, ”the article cites. InoTV.

As a result, "hundreds of thousands of bondholders were ravaged." One hundred years later, their descendants, who inherited bills of exchange, demanded a refund of their ancestors' investments.

In 1867, Russian railway companies began issuing government bonds backed by gold. "Over the next 30 years, French investors will invest a total of 15 billion francs in this project, which is equivalent to € 53 billion in today's currency," the material says.

Cousin grandfather gave us a folder with a lot of documents in 1974. He told us: "One day all this will be paid. And you will get this profit",
said the publication of one of the bondholders.

According to RFI, today "about 400 thousand people are fighting for payments on imperial bonds in the framework of the International Federative Association of Russian Loan Holders".

Their cost was huge. It is said that 28 million papers were issued. We have about a million of them. This is maximum. How much is one paper today? We know for sure that the cost ranges from € 10 thousand to € 30 thousand,
told the head of the association Eric Sanitas.

However, for the payment of money "there is no hope after the agreement concluded in 1997 in France, according to which Russia paid more than € 330 million in repayment of public debt," the publication states.

Russia has not declared itself bankrupt. She, in fact, is far from this. National debt has no statute of limitations. She has to pay. These are the rules of the game,
Sanitas is convinced.

Thus, one of the “greatest financial scandals in stories continues to attract attention, ”concludes RFI.
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  1. Runoway
    Runoway 15 January 2018 10: 43
    44
    Conquered by Hitler in two days, let them say thank you for the appearance of light
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 15 January 2018 10: 45
      43
      And I am waiting for the French to rebuild what they destroyed in our country during the Great Patriotic War. And they will return the dead.
      1. The black
        The black 15 January 2018 10: 49
        17
        Cousin grandfather gave us a folder with a lot of documents in 1974. He told us: "One day all this will be paid. And you will get this profit",
        said the publication of one of the bondholders.
        Grandfather joked laughing
        1. oldseaman1957
          oldseaman1957 15 January 2018 11: 02
          +3
          Quote: Black
          Grandfather joked
          So when we compare in terms of living standards, then we’ll talk. And then they that, "Renault" tired, "Rolls-Royces" serve ??? First of all they spoil all the way, and then - give back the debt!
          1. gaura
            gaura 15 January 2018 11: 59
            +5
            All in the framework of the same strategy of "gajazhi". Until we go bankrupt, there will be all sorts of different papers on which we owe something to someone. They are talking directly about it.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 15 January 2018 13: 38
              13
              AND WHEN THE FRENCH WILL RETURN THE TSAR'S GOLD ??
              After all, not only abroad was invested in Russia, but also Russia abroad. And something tells me that these investments are an order of magnitude greater. Under the tsar, the nobles did not go to Crimea, but went to Nice to rest. And the money sucked from the peasants was invested abroad.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 15 January 2018 15: 34
                +5
                This money was paid by the blood of Russian soldiers
              2. Monarchist
                Monarchist 15 January 2018 16: 10
                +1
                Shurik, did your grandfather or grandmother accidentally leave any bills?
            2. Orionvit
              Orionvit 16 January 2018 04: 55
              0
              Quote: gaura
              Until we go bankrupt, there will be all sorts of different papers on which we owe something to someone.

              Well, Ukraine also demands from Mongolia compensation for losses, from some kind of invasion, eight hundred years ago. laughing Mongolia’s response was more than concise, “show us the victims, then we will reimburse”. And here are some kind of grandfathers with documents. That's it, the train is gone. Highly literate Europeans will receive "from a dead donkey, ears."
          2. Ren
            Ren 15 January 2018 13: 39
            14
            Quote: oldseaman1957
            First of all they spoil all the way, and then - give back the debt!

            In fact, debts must be repaid:
            For the territory of Ingria, part of Karelia, Estliaidia and Livonia, Pyotr Alekseevich paid 2 million rubles (at the current rate, without interest, this is about $ 350 billion). If these territories are now in the EU, let the change be returned to Russia. hi
            Extra charges:
            In 1686, eternal peace (Zhivoptovsky) was concluded, ending the Russo-Polish war (which began in 1654), according to which the sale of Kiev to Russia (Muscovy) for 146 thousand rubles in gold was clearly spelled out. (about $ 33 billion without accrued interest)
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 15 January 2018 11: 39
          +3
          Quote: Black
          Grandfather joked

          senility request
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 January 2018 14: 18
          +1
          Was there a grandfather?
        4. Prisoner
          Prisoner 16 January 2018 18: 19
          0
          Grandpa's roof went and his lip rolled out. It happens.
      2. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 15 January 2018 10: 58
        29
        2 million killed in the first world payment was, a loan from France is one of the main reasons for Russia’s involvement in mincing PMV ... let the relatives of the Romanovs nightmare
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 15 January 2018 13: 21
          +4
          let kinsfolk romance nightmares

          They are afraid of Poklonskaya.
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 15 January 2018 11: 38
        +5
        Quote: Muvka
        And I am waiting for the French to rebuild what they destroyed in our country during the Great Patriotic War.

        so it seems that they were our allies during the Second World War and didn’t destroy anything in our country. and what kind of dead should they return? belay
        1. maverick5334
          maverick5334 15 January 2018 11: 44
          29
          Read about:
          1) The 28th Volunteer SS Panzer Grenadier Division of Wallonia (1st Walloon)
          2) The 33rd Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne (1st French)
          3) Besen Perrot
          4) The French also existed in the “total mass”, plus auxiliary units.
          On Borodino, before the attack on Moscow, the same French were again.
          And briefly from the same site
          https://topwar.ru/5524-neznakomaya-franciya-franc
          uzy-protiv-sssr.html
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 15 January 2018 11: 49
            +6
            Quote: maverick5334
            Read about:

            I take my word for it, but I really had no idea about it. knew only about Normandy-Niemen.
            I apologize hi
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 January 2018 18: 00
            +8
            The French League newspaper of 10 July 1941 has a call:
            Against the barbarians of the century, against the enemies of the human race, against the most cannibalistic intrigue, the most formidable army has finally come out. [...] This is where the guns [...] of public salvation from the monstrous race of Muscovites and Kalmyks rattled. "

            The formation of the APD (Volunteer Legion of France) began under the auspices of the Wehrmacht. Near Moscow, the 638 infantry regiment participated in Operation Typhoon, and 221 and 286 security divisions took part in the struggle against partisans. On November 20 the 1944 APF was disbanded, the personnel transferred to the 58 Waffen SS regiment and the 33 Waffen SS division. An odd of partisans writes about the atrocities of the APF: "Having opened the door, Barbash burst into the house with a gun and a grenade in his hand. Drunken Frenchmen sat at a long table. In the corner under the icons sat an old woman with a jaw drooping from fear. A little girl and boy snuggled up to her. Lamps burned on the table, there were bottles, a snack, mixed with cigarette butts. In the bedroom, behind a plank wall, the invaders took turns raping a young housewife who, apparently there was no memory and. Abusers poked her with cigarettes. Total "warriors" were eight people. We shot them in the forest ... "
            Well, let these animals answer for this !!!
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 15 January 2018 11: 44
          +9
          so it seems that they were our allies during the Second World War and didn’t destroy anything in our country. and what kind of dead should they return?
          in short, the 638 infantry regiment was stationed near Moscow, although it was frozen as it was during Bonaparte's time.
        3. Serg65
          Serg65 15 January 2018 11: 56
          18
          Quote: LSA57
          so it’s like they were our allies during the Second World War and didn’t destroy anything with us

          My friend, besides the Normandy-Niemen air squadron, the SS divisions Charlemagne and Wallonia fought on the Soviet front hi
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 15 January 2018 12: 36
            +5
            Quote: Serg65
            My friend, besides the Normandy-Niemen air squadron, the SS divisions Charlemagne and Wallonia fought on the Soviet front

            I repeat again, I knew only about this squadron. my fault.
            already apologized
          2. Nikolay Fedorov
            Nikolay Fedorov 15 January 2018 12: 50
            +6
            Quote: Serg65
            Quote: LSA57
            so it’s like they were our allies during the Second World War and didn’t destroy anything with us

            My friend, besides the Normandy-Niemen air squadron, the SS divisions Charlemagne and Wallonia fought on the Soviet front hi

            I suppose these volunteer divisions were formed from the descendants of the holders of royal bonds who wanted to receive royal debts, but could not ... crying
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 15 January 2018 18: 13
            +2
            The SS division of Wallonia was Belgian; the majority consisted of the majority of the Walloons, but also of the French, Spaniards and Russian emigrants. The 70th Grenadier Regiment was commanded by G.F. Chekhov is a former officer of the Russian fleet.
            1. Alf
              Alf 15 January 2018 20: 11
              +2
              Quote: tihonmarine
              The 70th Grenadier Regiment was commanded by G.F. Chekhov is a former officer of the Russian fleet.

              Hmm, an infantry regiment is commanded by a naval officer. The final is inevitable and logical.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 15 January 2018 20: 16
                +3
                Quote: Alf
                The final is inevitable and logical.

                but there is a continuation. in urkain navy commanded a tanker laughing
                1. Alf
                  Alf 15 January 2018 20: 18
                  +3
                  Quote: LSA57
                  Quote: Alf
                  The final is inevitable and logical.

                  but there is a continuation. in urkain navy commanded a tanker laughing

                  And on his desk stood the model AN-2. Airborne armored cavalry sapper.
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 15 January 2018 20: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Alf
                    Airborne armored cavalry sapper.

                    all trades about boredom and everywhere collapse and tear laughing
              2. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 16 January 2018 14: 25
                +1
                70th Volunteer Grenadier Regiment of the Waffen SS under the command of G.F. Chekhov. The finale is known to all.
      4. Slovak
        Slovak 15 January 2018 11: 52
        17
        Let them begin by paying off the damage from Napoleon’s campaign. At the same time, they will restore Moscow and the Smolensk road.
      5. astepanov
        astepanov 15 January 2018 11: 55
        10
        "On the Eastern Front, at least two units were formed from French volunteers who fought as part of the Wehrmacht, but under the French flag and with the French command staff.
        Since the fall of 1941, the French volunteer legion took part in the Moscow war of Germany against the USSR and was the only non-German unit that took part in this operation. The regiment suffered significant losses for the most part from frostbite and disease and was withdrawn to the rear. Subsequently, it was used for anti-partisan actions in Belarus.
        On February 10, 1945, the 33rd Grenadier Division of the SS troops Charlemagne (1st French) was formed — from the previously existing French brigade of the SS of the same name that had fought against the USSR. The French SS division fought on the Eastern Front. In March 1945 it was defeated by the Red Army in Pomerania and its remnants were withdrawn to the rear. The battalion of this division (300 men) in the Berlin operation, together with the Nordland division, defended the Reichstag area. According to some French sources, the heroically defending French destroyed 60 “Russian” tanks, were the last defenders of Hitler’s bunker and prevented the “Soviets” from taking it for May 1. "(C, Wikipedia)
        Perhaps it is worth inviting the French “winners” for their war crimes against the USSR? And at the same time recall that without the Soviet Union they would have remained under Hitler?
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 15 January 2018 18: 09
          +2
          Quote: astepanov
          And at the same time recall that without the Soviet Union they would have remained under Hitler?

          Actually France didn’t release us
      6. kapitan92
        kapitan92 15 January 2018 12: 01
        +6
        Quote: Muvka
        And I am waiting for the French to rebuild what they destroyed in our country during the Great Patriotic War.

        But did the French in the Second World War fought on the side of Nazi Germany?
        The theme of the "gold reserve" of Tsarist Russia is very interesting and emotions alone can not do here.
        However, for the payment of money "there is no hope after the agreement concluded in 1997 in France, according to which Russia paid more than € 330 million in repayment of public debt," the publication states.

        In France, the topic is closed, according to the author of the article.
        In England.
        According to the press, in August 1986. M. Gorbachev and M. Thatcher signed an intergovernmental agreement on the settlement of mutual claims in the field of finance and property relating to the period before January 1, 1939. According to this document, the UK withdrew its claims for "royal debts" (first of all, we mean government bond loans placed in the United Kingdom before the First World War) for 900 million pounds. Art. Russia refused the requirements to compensate for the damage from the British intervention of 1918-1920, the amount of which was agreed at the Genoese Conference of 1922, in the amount of 2 billion f. Art. Our country also refused claims regarding the remaining “royal” gold in the UK for 60 million pounds. Art.

        Until now, relations between Russia and Japan remain unresolved with regard to a part of the “royal” gold, which was intended for Great Britain and the United States, but was intercepted by the Japanese and is currently kept in the vaults of Japanese banks.
        For those interested in this topic.
        http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2014/04/05/kuda_deva
        los_zoloto_rossii
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 15 January 2018 13: 24
          +2
          Quote: kapitan92
          Until now, relations between Russia and Japan remain unresolved with regard to a part of the “royal” gold, which was intended for Great Britain and the United States, but was intercepted by the Japanese and is currently kept in the vaults of Japanese banks.

          the matter is not in gold, let Poland, Finland and a number of territories belonging to the Russian tsar be returned.
          1. PalBor
            PalBor 15 January 2018 14: 59
            +3
            Quote: KaPToC
            Quote: kapitan92
            Until now, relations between Russia and Japan remain unresolved with regard to a part of the “royal” gold, which was intended for Great Britain and the United States, but was intercepted by the Japanese and is currently kept in the vaults of Japanese banks.

            the matter is not in gold, let Poland, Finland and a number of territories belonging to the Russian tsar be returned.

            Yes! And Tokai vineyards.
          2. kapitan92
            kapitan92 15 January 2018 15: 52
            +4
            Quote: KaPToC
            Quote: kapitan92
            Until now, relations between Russia and Japan remain unresolved with regard to a part of the “royal” gold, which was intended for Great Britain and the United States, but was intercepted by the Japanese and is currently kept in the vaults of Japanese banks.

            the matter is not in gold, let Poland, Finland and a number of territories belonging to the Russian tsar be returned.

            And who should return?
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 15 January 2018 18: 22
              +1
              Quote: kapitan92
              And who should return?

              Who owns now - he must return.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 January 2018 18: 22
          +2
          And how much Russian gold and money settled in the banks of France, aimed at the purchase of weapons by the government of Nicholas II ??? With high probability, this amount far exceeds the debt on loans. But the loan and the loan of a private person, he is more mercantile loan of the state. ".. This is my great-grandfather or great-great-great-grandfather loaned pennies to the war, maybe I will tear a piece from Russia! "
      7. Per se.
        Per se. 15 January 2018 12: 44
        +4
        Quote: Muvka
        And I am waiting for the French to rebuild what they destroyed in our country during the Great Patriotic War.
        Only, not the Great Patriotic War, but the Patriotic War of 1812, let them pay for the invasion of Napoleon. For a long time they should have been sent to all, they should Russia, including for not received reparations for the First World War, for intervention, for seized Russian property abroad, much more can be found with this approach. Generally, it is more correct, as Lenin said at the time, that we did not take anything from them, and we do not owe them anything. If it was a question of Soviet Russia, then today's Russia is the successor of the USSR, and not the royal debts.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 January 2018 18: 35
          +2
          Well, let them also pay for Crimea in the Russian-Turkish war of 1863-1866. And the Tsar's debts are much less than the Tsar's Russia owes. How many Lenin & Co. let down the gold and money is another story.
      8. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 15 January 2018 12: 54
        +3
        with a steam locomotive you can calculate what they owe for 1812, since these wise men have no statute of limitations, go ahead for your jambs !!!
      9. Vend
        Vend 15 January 2018 13: 34
        +2
        Quote: Muvka
        And I am waiting for the French to rebuild what they destroyed in our country during the Great Patriotic War. And they will return the dead.

        The French do not understand, if Russia agrees to pay royal debts, then the United States and other European countries will have to repay the debts of Russia.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 15 January 2018 18: 11
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          The French do not understand, if Russia agrees to pay royal debts, then the United States and other European countries will have to repay the debts of Russia.

          and they are on the drum. they have an alliance only when given does not concern money
          1. Vend
            Vend 15 January 2018 18: 47
            +1
            Quote: LSA57
            Quote: Wend
            The French do not understand, if Russia agrees to pay royal debts, then the United States and other European countries will have to repay the debts of Russia.

            and they are on the drum. they have an alliance only when given does not concern money

            Here are their allies and partners in the drum and they will knock. For the mind laughing
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 15 January 2018 18: 57
              +1
              Quote: Wend
              Here are their allies and partners and they will knock on the drum.

              it's desirable
      10. Captain Nemo
        Captain Nemo 15 January 2018 19: 36
        0
        You will not tell what exactly the French destroyed during the Second World War and what are the losses from fighting with the French army?
    2. The black
      The black 15 January 2018 10: 45
      28
      Let them sue the Romanov family ... There in France every year a new descendant is announced laughing.... but after all, for “Moscow burnt by fire” ... during the time of Napoleon, we can also present ... laughing In general, all this is a bunch in a puddle ...
      1. Teberii
        Teberii 15 January 2018 10: 55
        18
        After the war with Napoleon, as a gesture of goodwill, Alexander erected a bridge in Paris, here he will be handed over for scrap and money will be divided.
      2. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 15 January 2018 10: 59
        27
        We link the consideration of this issue with the return to the historical homeland of the gold reserve of the Russian Empire negative Naive French Boys laughing
        1. alma
          alma 15 January 2018 11: 26
          +4
          we link with the return to the historical homeland of the gold reserve of the Russian Empire

          And also link with the payment of gold for Alaska from the United States
      3. Vend
        Vend 16 January 2018 10: 25
        0
        Quote: Black
        Let them sue the Romanov family ....
        A very sensible thought.
    3. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 15 January 2018 11: 07
      +7
      Not only have they plundered all the royal gold, give them to them. Harya will not accidentally crack.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2018 11: 13
        13
        The French are still waiting for payments from Russia on the royal debts
        What, again, are you waiting for the Cossacks? tongue
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2018 11: 39
          +8
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          The French are still waiting for payments from Russia on the royal debts
          What, again, are you waiting for the Cossacks? tongue

          rename "bistro" to "very bistro" ... wassat
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 15 January 2018 15: 43
            +3
            Yurich, welcome hi
            In the current scenario, there will be a new name - "big", from the Russian - "rushed off!" wink
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 15 January 2018 16: 08
              +2
              Quote: Svarog51
              In the current scenario, there will be a new name - "big", from the Russian - "rushed off!"

              well, or "fly here" laughing
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 15 January 2018 18: 02
                +2
                Hello, namesake hi
                well, or "fly here"

                This is how it will sound? Muhafe? lol
                1. LSA57
                  LSA57 15 January 2018 18: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  This is how it will sound? Muhafe?

                  Hi hi
                  class good new brand, you need to register laughing
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 15 January 2018 19: 12
                    +1
                    Shaw again to conquer the paddling pool? Oh well them to the devil. I'm not greedy, let them enjoy it. laughing
                    1. LSA57
                      LSA57 15 January 2018 19: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Shaw again to conquer the paddling pool?

                      not necessary. refer to international law, let percentage be paid under this law laughing
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 15 January 2018 19: 32
                        +1
                        Interest will agree to pay, if I patent the name, but they want to.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 15 January 2018 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          What, again, are you waiting for the Cossacks?

          and the new "Fast, fast" laughing
    4. NKT
      NKT 15 January 2018 11: 17
      14
      France participated in the invasion and occupation of the young RSFSR. That she owes us.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 15 January 2018 11: 36
        +9
        Tubing
        About the fact that the young RSFSR rolled out the bill to the intervention countries for the destruction and for the killings and robbery today few people know. As well as the fact that on account of the debt of the Romanovs, RUSSIAN BODIES were sent to France to fight. The tragic fate of the RUSSIANS who fought for France is still hidden by the French.
        In fact, the French have a very peculiar attitude to international treaties, and this is noted by everyone, even the Americans.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 15 January 2018 18: 14
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          In fact, the French have a very peculiar attitude to international treaties, and this is noted by everyone, even the Americans.

          noticed by us. Mistral
    5. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 15 January 2018 11: 38
      +3
      How about the middle finger.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 15 January 2018 11: 46
        +5
        at the expense of the middle finger.
        are you an American, then in Russian, a left hand punch in the fold of his right.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 15 January 2018 11: 50
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          at the expense of the middle finger.
          Are you an American, then in Russian, left hand punch in the fold of the right.
          This is a measure in Russian ... yes
    6. sgazeev
      sgazeev 15 January 2018 15: 55
      0
      Quote: Runoway
      Conquered by Hitler in two days, let them say thank you for the appearance of light

      Kerenki pay or used toilet paper. hi
    7. Kisso4kin
      Kisso4kin 15 January 2018 18: 47
      0
      The paddlers for a month "fought"
  2. The black
    The black 15 January 2018 10: 44
    +8
    "Do not be sad,
    Whole life ahead!
    Whole life ahead!
    Hope and wait!" wassat
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 10: 59
      +7
      Glory hi Why do I see star-striped ears for these ridiculous demands on royal debts? Paranoia? what
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 15 January 2018 11: 24
        11
        bouncyhunter Today, 10:59 ↑
        Glory hi Why do I get star-striped ears for these ridiculous demands on royal debts? Paranoia? what
        Hello Pasha! hi It seems that it’s not yours alone, but mine too, but two at once at the same time, it’s definitely not paranoia!

        P.S. In addition, if the treasury women decided to recall the old debts, then Russia can recall that if you sell all of France twice, then they will not have enough money to pay us ... request
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 11: 27
          +6
          Hi, Lesha, and with the past! hi drinks I thought so: for so many years they were silent and suddenly remembered. "Well, well, not casual!" (from) wink
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 15 January 2018 11: 31
            +8
            And you with the past Pash! drinks This will continue until they once again rake from us in full. Then there will be a lull for 50-100 years, and then again in a spiral.
            Well, what can you do if they have such a tradition, once a hundred years, to rake cages in Russia? Boring them there you understand in Europe, no fun, even migrants do not save ... what
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 11: 36
              +7
              It is necessary to increase the flow of barmaley, ugh, refugees to France - so that there is no time for any whim. wink And then they completely lost their fear, illness.
              1. Going
                Going 15 January 2018 11: 40
                +5
                Pasha, there already exists above the roof, soon they will be afraid to walk the streets.
            2. Warrior with machine gun
              Warrior with machine gun 15 January 2018 13: 01
              +3
              and we don’t need their suffering, we only lose people from their traditions, so let them remember our other tradition, cut each other, which they did all the Middle Ages and not only, but we will watch this movie from the side.
      2. penal battalion
        penal battalion 15 January 2018 11: 38
        +7
        And there are no papyrus mortgages left, Gauls to the Great Roman Empire? smile
        Hello gentlemen!
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 11: 42
          +2
          Irina, good day and with the past holidays! love
          Quote: Penalty
          And there are no papyrus mortgages left, Galls to the Great Roman Empire

          Already rustling in all museum vaults. lol
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 15 January 2018 11: 56
        +1
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Why do I see star-striped ears for these ridiculous demands on royal debts? Paranoia? what

        Svidomo epidemic of "freebie" spread to Poland, the Baltic States and France. Everyone is looking for how to easily cut the dough.
        Py.Sy. They have the heirs of the Romanovs’s house living in Paris. Well, let them run into them.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 15 January 2018 12: 50
          +3
          hi
          Quote: Piramidon
          They have the heirs of the Romanovs’s house living in Paris. Well, let them run into them.

          But after all, they consider them “their own”, and we are enemies. wink
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 15 January 2018 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            hi
            Quote: Piramidon
            They have the heirs of the Romanovs’s house living in Paris. Well, let them run into them.

            But after all, they consider them “their own”, and we are enemies. wink

            The shares were issued by these same Romanovs, and not the RSFSR, the USSR and the current government of the Russian Federation. Figure it out for yourself
  3. scrap123
    scrap123 15 January 2018 10: 45
    +2
    for the same amount you can squeeze France))
  4. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 15 January 2018 10: 45
    +1
    Yeah. Outside is a crisis and exhaustion of financial resources. Further it will be even worse, so the financial requirements for Russia will only multiply.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 January 2018 10: 47
    11
    Despite the agreement concluded by Russia and France, according to which the Russian Federation paid off the debts of the Russian Empire
    What is the conversation about then? If about it
    Government debt has no statute of limitations. She has to pay. These are the rules of the game,
    then go away with the rules that you once set yourself. By signing the document, France recognized that Russia paid and should not, so the point is set. Something has divorced a lot of those whom Russia owes - from the Baltic states to Ukraine through Poland.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 15 January 2018 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Government debt has no statute of limitations. She has to pay. These are the rules of the game,

      it is necessary to tell urkaine. they don’t recognize any debts
  6. bekub
    bekub 15 January 2018 10: 48
    +8
    First, let the royal gold be returned with interest
  7. zzdimk
    zzdimk 15 January 2018 10: 49
    +1
    And Hohechechka will not burst?
  8. Egorovich
    Egorovich 15 January 2018 10: 52
    +8
    laughing WAITING FOR Frogs to help !!! laughing
  9. Fedorov
    Fedorov 15 January 2018 10: 53
    +2
    Looks like the hussars, Moto-Infantry, again, again, Berlin-Paris to conquer. Are they tired of it? Only here is our blood ... We must ask Shoigu.
  10. Altona
    Altona 15 January 2018 10: 54
    +5
    Quote: bekub
    First, let the royal gold be returned with interest

    ------------------------------------
    The French want to open Pandora's box and then the lawsuits may turn to the US Federal Reserve, which is based, among other things, on large shares of the Romanovs. Then let the gold of the Russian Empire be returned to Russia. Let France pay for the services of the French Legion sent to help her. We must observe the principle of reciprocity. You can go even further and demand reimbursement of the burnt cities, including Moscow during the invasion of Napoleon Bonaparte and the robbery of Russian values, when Napoleon’s soldiers were hung with gold and silver trays.
  11. anjey
    anjey 15 January 2018 10: 54
    +6
    I think we need a counterclaim for the damage done by Napoleonic France to Russia, then they will answer us for the burnt Moscow in full ....
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 15 January 2018 11: 31
      +4
      "Foreign military intervention in Russia (1918-1921) is the military intervention of the countries of Concord (Entente) and the Central Powers (Fourth Union) in the Civil War in Russia (1917-1922). In total, 14 states took part in the intervention.

      France - from March 1918 the north of Russia (cruiser Admiral Ob), the participation of French artillerymen in the command of the armored train of the Murmansk-Petrograd Railway.
      From August 1918 - landing in Arkhangelsk, participation in SPSR, until October 1, 1919 evacuated.
      South of Russia (Odessa, Kherson, Sevastopol) November 1918 - April 1919.
      Siberia - Siberian Colonial Infantry Battalion and Siberian Colonial Artillery Battery.
      Colonial French troops (Odessa, November 1918 - April 1919) - 4th African Horse Jaeger Regiment, 21st Regiment of Native Riflemen, 10th Regiment of Algerian Riflemen, 9th Battalion of 8th Regiment of Algerian Riflemen, 1st Marching Indochinese battalion; Sevastopol is the 129th battalion of Senegalese shooters. "
      Where is the royal gold ???
  12. arhPavel
    arhPavel 15 January 2018 10: 56
    13
    I think the condition for the return of this money should be:
    - return of values ​​exported by the army of Napoleon
    - compensation for those killed during the attack on Sevastopol
    - Return to the ownership of the Russian Federation of land and real estate owned by citizens of the Russian Empire in France.
    1. Felix99
      Felix99 15 January 2018 11: 09
      +9
      Forgot about the participation of Vichisk France in the Second World War as an ally of Hitler.
  13. HAM
    HAM 15 January 2018 11: 02
    +5
    Already got these beggars: either the Baltic states, the Ukrainians, now the custodians, then the Pshek mouths. But they didn’t catch it?
  14. thinker
    thinker 15 January 2018 11: 04
    +4
    France recognizedthat Russia transferred $ 50 million to pay off debt on the so-called “tsarist” securities. Thus, the amount of debt agreed in 1996 by Prime Minister Viktor Chernomyrdin and his French counterpart Lionel Jospin in 1996 was fully paid.

    Eric Sanitas, learn Russian proverbs - "a contract is more expensive than money." yes
  15. Dormidont
    Dormidont 15 January 2018 11: 07
    +2
    As said classic
  16. pvv113
    pvv113 15 January 2018 11: 07
    +5
    require a return on investment of their ancestors

    Have the French already paid for Napoleon?
  17. Felix99
    Felix99 15 January 2018 11: 08
    +2
    Quote: Black
    Grandfather joked

    Grandfather has an amazing sense of humor. It is necessary to invite descendants according to the old Russian custom to visit the Russian girl. While necessarily in the winter. And take the Smolensk road from Moscow through the Berezina and Brest, on foot.
  18. izya top
    izya top 15 January 2018 11: 16
    0
    and the paddlers know where the sleeve is sewn? so let them measure half yes
  19. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 15 January 2018 11: 23
    +5
    “Exactly 100 years ago, in January 1918, Lenin signed a decree refusing to pay royal debts. Thus, the colossal sums aimed at modernizing the Russian economy in the second half of the XNUMXth century were never paid. ”

    I cherish the hope that all this will not be paid. Contact Lenin, if that ....
    And about the rules of the game .... What are some strange rules of the game for the Europeans.
    How to force, for example, Ukraine to pay public debt, so it turns out you can come up with new rules .. But how to demand money from Russia, we use the old ones ... Well, well ....
    And then .. In my opinion, France itself recognized payments on the royal debt ... Am I mistaken?
    So what would you go, paddlers, with your own paper .... To the toilet, for example ....
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 January 2018 12: 02
      +2
      Well, they would try to demand that Comrade Stalin return this money.
    2. Svarog51
      Svarog51 16 January 2018 01: 32
      +1
      Vasily, I welcome hi They have not yet paid for the Russian Princess Kalym. Here let turnips and scratch. negative
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN 16 January 2018 10: 40
        +4
        Greetings, Sergey. hi
        If you announce the entire list, it is still unknown who should demand from whom.
        yes
  20. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 15 January 2018 11: 25
    +1
    Russian soldiers paid in blood to the First World War.
  21. Hard Rock
    Hard Rock 15 January 2018 11: 25
    +4
    Yeah, we ran away to give! And they don’t want to talk about the Crimean war? For the fleet drowned! For the dead, for Odessa shot from cannons? Frogs!
  22. prior
    prior 15 January 2018 11: 26
    +2
    I think that after the return of the "royal debts" France will surprisingly look like the atoll of Moruroa.
  23. HMR333
    HMR333 15 January 2018 11: 33
    +1
    they are dumb, what is it clearly and clearly said an agreement has been signed that the debt is considered repaid! now even if they demand it from their government, now they are responsible for them because they have signed what Russia paid and should not!
  24. mihey
    mihey 15 January 2018 11: 36
    +2
    gopniks, racketeers and blackmailers - in two words "civilized west"
    1. Shaitan_by
      Shaitan_by 15 January 2018 15: 52
      0
      They want to be paid forever.
      This was directly said.
      Russia did not declare bankruptcy.
  25. shura7782
    shura7782 15 January 2018 11: 43
    +1
    Very unexpectedly. I’m not mistaken if I say that ten years ago in our mass media and on TV there was widespread information that Russia had finally closed this issue. All debts paid. We do not owe to anyone, etc.
    Someone here wants to pity Europeans with our losses in the Second World War.
    Spit on them. They are taught at school that England, the USA and France defeated Hitler a little. And what about Russia?
  26. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 15 January 2018 11: 59
    +2
    On someone else's loaf, "Monsieur", do not open your mouth.
  27. weksha50
    weksha50 15 January 2018 12: 13
    +1
    “Russia has not declared itself bankrupt. It is, in fact, far from this. Government debt has no statute of limitations. She has to pay. These are the rules of the game "...

    Hmm ... For World War I alone, when thousands of Russian soldiers and officers died on the fields of France and for its interests, France owes Russia forever ...
    What a pity ... What a pity that our Russian tsars turned out to be so generous ... After all, the Russian troops visited not only Paris and Berlin ... And Suvorov walked around Italy with might and main, and if we talk about wars and again about debts, so Switzerland, a wealthy and "independent" Switzerland, with its giblets, again owed its wealth to the generosity of the Russian tsars ...
    I’m not talking about the United States ... Don’t help Russia, maybe they would cut each other out, and even today the Indians, as before, would be masters of their land ... request
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 15 January 2018 14: 53
      +3
      Quote: weksha50
      ... I’m not talking about the United States ... Don’t help Russia, maybe they would cut each other out, and even today the Indians, as before, would be masters of their land ...

      and Russian people, according to the All-Indian referendum, would call them brothers ...
      Few people remember, but in January 1943 a very interesting historical event took place. Under certain conditions, it could become significant, but in reality it is almost forgotten.
      75 years ago, in January 1943, the All-Indian Congress of America was held in the USA, at which the Indians, inspired by the victory of the Red Army in Stalingrad, declared Comrade Stalin I.V. to be their Supreme Leader for all time.
  28. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 15 January 2018 12: 27
    +4
    Let the Romanovs cowardly))

    Here I have a bond of winning loans of the Provisional Government of 1917 for 200 rubles.
    And now what? Go shake the government? laughing
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 15 January 2018 19: 24
      +1
      Zhora, welcome hi
      Here I have a bond of winning loans of the Provisional Government of 1917 for 200 rubles.
      And now what? Go shake the government?

      Hold on, even if paid with cherenki, it should still be enough for cognac “For Victory”. soldier
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 15 January 2018 21: 47
        +3
        Hello Sergey hi

        Just in case, just like people keep Soviet books with lots of money. I think sooner or later these documents will be needed))
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 16 January 2018 01: 22
          +1
          Russia is the legal successor of the USSR. Soviet passbooks are valid. As soon as everything settles down, so contact any branch of Sberbank. It all depends on the term and amount - they will recount and pay.
  29. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 12: 44
    +1
    The Russians are still waiting for financial compensation for the damage caused to Russia during Napoleon’s campaign in Russia in 1812. Including for "Moscow burnt by fire .."
  30. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 12: 45
    0
    Frogs may wish to increase frog consumption
  31. shcishcok
    shcishcok 15 January 2018 12: 50
    0
    let’s ask the French for our gold and the objects of art that they stole in 1812, when they were draping up to their Khrymyia. Let them also compensate! they are all smart - they only ask from Russia, but they themselves do not want to hold any answers.
  32. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 January 2018 12: 55
    0
    From a dead donkey ears. And not a bit more. I especially liked it - the assessment of the value of securities. They know for sure that each paper is from 10 to 30 thousand euros !!! That is, the semi-annual salary of a specialist! Wow, well done ...
  33. CONTROL
    CONTROL 15 January 2018 13: 00
    +1
    The Russian Empire - the imperial family - had a bunch of property (real estate) in France, Italy, Switzerland, Monaco (Nice, Biarritz, Baden-Baden, etc.) ... Chocolate "Imperial" from Switzerland - there were no emperors in Europe, maximum - Caesars ... Well, and other industries - in Germany, England (!!!) Spain ...
    --------------------------------
    Question: "Izya, are you doing our real estate business?"
    ... and what was the Lausanne conference about? Settled by "netting" and the death of Vorovsky for Turkey, Greece and Bulgaria by the foreign real estate of the royal family ... Even Konradi and Polunin defiantly acquitted!
    ... horseradish fermented by them, and not "bonds bonds"!
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  35. Crane operator Nahamkinson
    Crane operator Nahamkinson 15 January 2018 13: 04
    +3
    According to "royal debts".
    And the Jews killed the king.
    So let the Jews and demand.
  36. Maz
    Maz 15 January 2018 13: 20
    +1
    Well, if we, Russia, are the successor to the USSR, then Lenin’s decree has not lost power. And the French should be reminded of the intervention, executions and robberies on the territory of the USSR. Let the French government collect debts.
  37. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 15 January 2018 13: 38
    +3
    You can return it, only you must first establish a legal successor. I propose to start with the identification of the person who made the loan, then establish the assignee, then establish who borrowed and what is left of this person or company and then consider the legality of the claim)
  38. Govorun
    Govorun 15 January 2018 14: 15
    +2
    How many parasites have divorced and give payments to everyone .....
  39. Dr. Barmaley
    Dr. Barmaley 15 January 2018 14: 37
    +2
    The French are still waiting for payments from Russia on the royal debts

    Canvas, oil
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 16 January 2018 01: 29
      0
      What is it? On the right hand from under the sleeve, the watch peeps out? lol
  40. Vard
    Vard 15 January 2018 15: 52
    0
    During World War I, Russian units fought in France ... It’s not taken into account ... And who will pay for the dead ...
  41. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 January 2018 16: 18
    0
    "Government debt has no statute of limitations." This is the motto of the French, demanding royal debts. Then let
    will pay reparations for the war of 1812. Let them pay Russia for the Brusilov breakthrough that wrested France from its paws
    Germany.
  42. Monarchist
    Monarchist 15 January 2018 16: 21
    0
    [quote = LSA57] [quote = Serg65] My friend, besides the air squadron Normandy-Niemen, SS divisions Charlemagne and Wallonia fought on the Soviet front [/ quote]
    I repeat again, I knew only about this squadron. my fault.
    I knew well about Normandy, and I only know about the French coloborists that was on the site.
    In the Soviet Union, it was not customary to recall such, and therefore we do not know about such
  43. gloomy fox
    gloomy fox 15 January 2018 16: 52
    +1
    Frogs rolled out a lip! RF, it’s not Libya here you can’t bomb. So wait from the sea for weather! fool
  44. notingem
    notingem 15 January 2018 17: 18
    +1
    Monarchists and nobles in Russia are full, let them pay
  45. allegro
    allegro 15 January 2018 18: 02
    +1
    what debts, maybe even pay for Ivan Kalita, Lenin did the right thing at the time, and now they pay and forgive debts to those who need and do not need, like that to their people
  46. Dedall
    Dedall 15 January 2018 18: 52
    +1
    Once such a booze went, then let the British at the beginning return the royal relics sent in 1917.
  47. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 15 January 2018 19: 33
    +1
    Forgive anyone.
  48. flicker
    flicker 15 January 2018 21: 35
    +2
    Not for profit, but only by the will of the wife who sent me.
    Someone pulls the strings - well, they say, you can go ahead
    And in the case of claims, it’s not me, it’s them themselves.
  49. Normal ok
    Normal ok 15 January 2018 22: 51
    0
    In 1867, Russian railway companies began issuing government bonds secured by gold. “Over the next 30 years, French investors will invest a total of 15 billion francs in this project, which is equivalent to € 53 billion in today's currency.”

    Well, you say that only Ukrainians can forgive their debts lol
  50. Nemesis
    Nemesis 16 January 2018 06: 36
    0
    Not earlier than the banks of Japan and Europe will return Kolchak’s gold and other stolen goods from Russia to Russia ...