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In the State Duma offered to partially denounce the agreement on cooperation with Ukraine

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Konstantin Zatulin, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs, Eurasian Integration and Relations with Compatriots, suggested denouncing the Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between Russia and Ukraine in the part where the parties recognize each other’s territorial borders, reports RIA News.




Zatulin believes that the contract is "one-sidedly beneficial" to Kiev.

For, without specifying the mechanisms of partnership, cooperation and friendship, in the second article of the treaty we recognize the territorial borders of Ukraine, and they, respectively, are ours - at the time of signing and ratifying this document. That is, it is about the fact that, having signed this treaty, Russia in 1997, and then upon ratification in 1999, confirmed that it considers, say, Crimea and Sevastopol to be part of the territory of Ukraine,
he noted.

According to the deputy, then, in 90-ies, the Russian side actively fought against the position of the document on borders.

(Representatives of Russia) said that it was impossible to do this, that even if we agreed to it, it was necessary to stipulate it with much more specific conditions, which is not in the agreement,
recalled Zatulin.

Our interpretation of the contract is that, of course, our recognition made in this contract boundaries is interconnected with the subject of the contract: friendship, cooperation and partnership. That is - there is no friendship, cooperation and partnership, in theory, there is a reason to say: "So, we need to solve all issues again, including questions on borders." Therefore, personally, I will propose and propose already, (...) that we need, at least in part of this contract, to denounce it - in the part relating to article two, namely the recognition of boundaries,
he said.

The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine is the basic document of Russian-Ukrainian relations. It implies a strategic partnership of the two countries "based on the principles of mutual respect, sovereign equality, territorial integrity, inviolability of borders, peaceful settlement of disputes, non-use of force or the threat of force, including economic and other methods of pressure."
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 14 January 2018 16: 43
    17
    Under the circumstances, it is no longer valid. And the Ukrainian side needs it more. Now it remains to wait, when the collapse of Ukraine becomes a fact, the termination of its existence as a legal entity.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 14 January 2018 16: 46
      21
      It (the agreement) presupposes a strategic partnership between the two countries "based on the principles of mutual respect, ...
      - With all its existence after 1991, Ukraine has proven its complete nullity. And throwing beads in front of them for a long time has not been ...
      1. karish
        karish 14 January 2018 18: 54
        +6
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        It (the agreement) presupposes a strategic partnership between the two countries "based on the principles of mutual respect, ...
        - With all its existence after 1991, Ukraine has proven its complete nullity. And throwing beads in front of them for a long time has not been ...

        The excuse is beautiful, but having recognized the borders of Ukraine and having ratified this treaty - what would you call the action to wean the Crimea? Moreover, the president himself announced that work on this matter was carried out long before the Maidan.
        Honestly, I thought that the guarantee of the borders of Ukraine was confirmed (but not ratified) by the Budapest Memorandum, but no, it means that the agreement was ratified as I understand it during the premiership (under Yeltsin) of the current guarantor. laughing
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 14 January 2018 19: 55
          19
          Quote: karish
          The excuse is beautiful, but having recognized the borders of Ukraine and having ratified this treaty - what would you call the action to wean the Crimea?

          Weaning !? What word have you chosen? wassat
          Weaning the Golan Heights from Syria wow! And in the Crimea there was a referendum, dear. hi
          1. karish
            karish 14 January 2018 20: 02
            +2
            Quote: kapitan92
            Quote: karish
            The excuse is beautiful, but having recognized the borders of Ukraine and having ratified this treaty - what would you call the action to wean the Crimea?

            Weaning !? What word have you chosen? wassat
            Weaning the Golan Heights from Syria wow! And in the Crimea there was a referendum, dear. hi

            But we do not refuse that the Golan was wrecked by us in the war - which, by the way, was started by Syria.
            Of course, everything is different for you, especially in the light of the president’s recognition of the work carried out for a long long time before the well-known events - when the peoples were fraternal, hands shook, promises, agreements.
            And the work was carried out and suddenly once and --- where didn’t the referendum come from, everything is spontaneous, they’re not there --- and so everything is fine --- agreement, friendship, ratification
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 14 January 2018 20: 19
              12
              Quote: karish
              And we don’t refuse that the Golan was wrecked by us in the war

              To eat! So the whole world knows the Israeli conquerors and the annexed Golan .. laughing


              Quote: karish
              to the well-known events - when the peoples were fraternal, hands, promises, contracts were shaking.

              So what? Take America as an example. Who was she under? How many soldiers of Her Majesty were killed there, and now strategic partners.
              Quote: karish
              and all of a sudden, and --- where didn’t you get the referendum

              Yes !!! So it is with us. We are a democratic state, not an Israeli aggressor. laughing
              1. Going
                Going 14 January 2018 21: 57
                +7
                Already got this weaning, where, who and whom was taken away, let any observers come and check, and we all deep and far ...
          2. Dr_engie
            Dr_engie 15 January 2018 08: 43
            +2
            Ukraine is a unitary state and the withdrawal of entities from its composition is not provided for by its constitution. So weaning.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 32
              +3
              you forget the fact of the coup / revolution. How did the uprising in Western Ukraine with the seizure of weapons, just as there was an armed uprising in the Donbass and an uprising without weapons in the Crimea. These are options for right-wing lawlessness in Ukraine. Who fixed this mess? OUTRAGED PEOPLE! So go forest with your speculation.
              1. Dr_engie
                Dr_engie 15 January 2018 15: 32
                0
                Yes, I do not deny that there was a coup. But after him, the president was elected by voting after all.
                And the second, but not least: what if some people have broken the law, then it’s possible for others?
            2. denk20
              denk20 15 January 2018 11: 05
              +1
              A unitary state with an autonomous republic? You do not feel the contradictions?
              1. Dr_engie
                Dr_engie 15 January 2018 11: 56
                +1
                So written in the document, what can I do. And yes, the exit option is certainly provided, then I made a mistake at first. But according to the results of the ALL-UKRAINIAN referendum, which, obviously, was not.

                Constitution of Ukraine. Article 73. An exclusively all-Ukrainian referendum resolves issues on changing the territory of Ukraine.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 14 January 2018 20: 16
          12
          Quote: karish
          The excuse is beautiful, but recognizing the borders of Ukraine and having ratified this treaty - what would you call the action to wean the Crimea? Moreover, the president himself announced that work on this matter was carried out long before the Maidan. Honestly, I thought that the guarantee of the borders of Ukraine was confirmed (but not ratified) by the Budapest memorandum, but no, it also meant an agreement
          For all this, to this day, work on the demarcation of borders between Russia and Urkaina has not been completed. Rather, Urkaina conducted this work unilaterally, which contradicts the demarcation procedure. The solution of the problem was possible before the commission of an unconstitutional coup on Urkain and the delegitimization of power that took place. Urkain itself is today outside the constitutional field, and you are talking about some kind of Budapest memorandum. Actually, the change in the status of Crimea occurred at the behest of the people living in it as a result of the referendum. The right to participate in referenda is enshrined in the Ukrainian Constitution in section No. 3, including on the issue of changing the territory of Urkaina in Article 73. And yet, yes, if you remember, then the process of decommunization is actively carried out on urkain, which may lead to the return of some territories adhered to urkain at the dawn of Soviet power. Who is the legal successor of the USSR, and, accordingly, the guarantor of the existence of urkaine in the existing territorial borders? That's right, Russia! If they continue to work out, then we can not (and will not) guarantee. Let the Poles, Hungarians and Romanians take away from the Ukrain that which once belonged to them and passed to the Urkain after 1945. Between them, too, questions on the demarcation of borders are not finished.
          1. karish
            karish 15 January 2018 08: 40
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            For all this, to this day, work on the demarcation of borders between Russia and Urkaina has not been completed. Rather, Urkaina conducted this work unilaterally, which contradicts the demarcation procedure.

            Stop looking for excuses.
            the agreement recognized and ratified the fact of territorial integrity and inviolability of borders.
            demarcation of course may concern plc minus a kilometer to and fro. but not in part, the border passes through the Crimea or outside it laughing
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            The solution of the issue was possible before the commission of an unconstitutional coup on Urkain and the delegitimization of power that took place.

            This is their personal affair and it is not you who must give the assessment, but their judicial authorities.
            I will remind you. that after the well-known events in Ukraine, elections were held, the legitimacy of the elected parliament and the president does not raise any questions. including Russia
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Urkain itself is today outside the constitutional field

            Come on . Is that what you decided?
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            . The right to participate in referenda is enshrined in the Ukrainian Constitution in section No. 3, including on the issue of changing the territory of Urkaina in Article 73.

            Please provide the entire article of the law, especially regarding the procedure for holding a referendum.
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            And yes, if you remember, then on urkain the process of decommunization is actively carried out

            and now what?
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Who is the legal successor of the USSR, and, accordingly, the guarantor of the existence of urkaine in the existing territorial borders? Right, Russia

            wrong . Russia in no way can be any guarantor. Ukraine is an independent state.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 42
              +2
              I would like to hear your assessment on the division of Yugoslavia and the recognition of Kosovo. I believe that if in your judgment “Ukraine” is replaced by “Kosovo”, then everything is quite similar
          2. Dr_engie
            Dr_engie 15 January 2018 11: 58
            +1
            But was there an ALL-Ukrainian referendum? Have you ever opened Article 73?

            Constitution of Ukraine. Article 73. An exclusively all-Ukrainian referendum resolves issues on changing the territory of Ukraine.
        3. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 15 January 2018 00: 24
          0
          Quote: karish

          The excuse is beautiful, but having recognized the borders of Ukraine and having ratified this treaty - what would you call the action to wean the Crimea? Moreover, the president himself announced that work on this matter was carried out long before the Maidan.

          Which president was "voiced"? Rivlin or Waltzmann? laughing
        4. Orionvit
          Orionvit 15 January 2018 01: 29
          +1
          Quote: karish
          - What would you call the action to wean the Crimea?

          And what are the actions to wean Kosovo? So there is no need to breed demagoguery, about some kind of "international law", to which the West, as well as its extortion Ukraine, constantly spit from a high bell tower. Crimea, this is not weaning, but returning home, so to speak, to the family.
        5. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 15 January 2018 16: 11
          0
          Quote: karish
          Honestly, I thought that the guarantee of the borders of Ukraine was confirmed (but not ratified) by the Budapest Memorandum, but no, it means that the agreement was ratified as I understand it during the premiership (under Yeltsin) of the current guarantor.

          and by whom? two party workers? very authoritative for today's Ukraine with its decommunization laughing
          then there were agreements on not expanding NATO eastward. they put a bolt on it, which means Russia has the right to put the same bolt on other acts of that period wink
          here so hi
          1. karish
            karish 15 January 2018 20: 51
            +1
            Quote: SanichSan
            and by whom? two party workers? very authoritative for today's Ukraine with its decommunization

            Absolutely you did not go there, but what does it have to do with it?
            Quote: SanichSan
            then there were agreements on not expanding NATO eastward. they put a bolt on it, which means Russia has the right to put the same bolt on other acts of that period

            Well, only Ukraine has something to do with it?
            As for the countries that joined NATO (including the former republics of the USSR), you have no territorial claims.
            It was easier with Ukraine.
            There was a president - a thief. He plundered the whole country.
            He fed with promises and lied, lied, lied.
            And when a mess began in Ukraine, the older brother, as in the best stories about family relationships
            He came to the house of his brother (who, let’s say so, with his wife, mother-in-law and someone else) and led away a cow, or rather not a cow, but a piece of the garden and a barn to boot.
            Having said, you remember - this was our common dad , it is clear that after his death you received it by will --- we even swore his will to fulfill and subscribed to it.
            But it’s such that I’m stronger today, I’m the elder brother — which means the legal successor, they baptized me in this stable, and all the cows agree.
            So now the crib and the piece of the garden are the same.
            Do not you like it ? belay It’s strange even like that.
            Although it’s understandable, you’re not my brother, you aren’t even a relative at all, and you have no place to call you in the ward number 6 at best. And our signatures? laughing laughing bully
            request
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 13
              0
              the analogy is inappropriate
            2. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 16 January 2018 18: 17
              +1
              Quote: karish
              And when a mess began in Ukraine, the older brother, as in the best stories about family relationships

              only you missed an important point. what a mess there started. Well, yes .. remember that is not decent. especially from Israel laughing
              so how? we will clarify the details what kind of mess? or maybe the sons of Israel in indecent talk about ukronatsisty in a bust? about the "mask on a gilyaku"? By the way, this was before the events in Crimea where 90% of the population are Russians. about statements from the Ukrainian junta (so it seems they call those who seized power as a result of a coup?) about the opening of a NATO base in Crimea instead of a Russian one? or is news for you that Crimea de jure did not become Ukrainian? the documents are not ratified.
              so what's the problem then?
              the funny thing is that the “justice” of us is taken into account by the representative of the country that seized the territory of the neighbors laughing
              Do you hear Jewish-Red Army Boys, and you’re not fucking there? laughing Well, get out of the Palestinian territories! laughing laughing laughing or what, is it not so clear?
              so you can stick your allegories to Israel. smartly lay down wink

              PS
              and yes, Russians were never brothers with Ukrainians. first study the origin of Ukrainians and understand what ridiculous nonsense was blinded wink yes, with Russians living in Ukraine, brothers, but not with Ukrainians. they have always fought the Western infection.
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 14 January 2018 16: 50
      13
      In fact, there is no existing treaty of "Friendship .." There are only existing manuals on barking at Russia, developed in the states in which Russia is represented by an aggressor fighting with Ukraine. So they are executed.
      Zatulin is absolutely right.
    3. Chertt
      Chertt 14 January 2018 16: 55
      +5
      Quote: Teberii
      Under the circumstances, it is no longer valid.

      Russia does not need to make meaningless movements. It is clear that Zatulin decided to cut down the "pluses" ... And let's remember that the Poroshenko are leaving, and a large country with a centuries-old common history will remain
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 14 January 2018 17: 02
        14
        Quote: Chertt
        And let's remember that the Poroshenko leave, and a large country with a centuries-old common history will remain
        - No. With their inner antagonism, THIS country will never be BIG!
        1. onix757
          onix757 14 January 2018 17: 08
          +4
          As far as I hear from others who have relatives there, our guarantor incredibly rallied their society. So all the antagonism in the proportion of 50 to 50 is a thing of the past.
        2. Chertt
          Chertt 14 January 2018 17: 44
          +1
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          With their inner antagonism, THIS country will never be BIG!

          Think By Category More Than A Decade
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 14 January 2018 17: 36
        14
        Powders go, but the country remains ...
        And where do the thousands of pan-horse horses go? Where do those who go with the fascist slogans trample the streets of Kiev? Or those who are killing Russians in the east now?
        no really. Let me go for me.
        And to understand who is good there. and who does not want less and less.
      3. Weyland
        Weyland 14 January 2018 18: 42
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        And let's remember that the Poroshenko leave, and a large country with a centuries-old common history will remain

        I hope that such a historical misunderstanding as sovereign Ukraine will not remain.
      4. karish
        karish 14 January 2018 18: 55
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        Quote: Teberii
        Under the circumstances, it is no longer valid.

        Russia does not need to make meaningless movements. It is clear that Zatulin decided to cut down the "pluses" ... And let's remember that the Poroshenko are leaving, and a large country with a centuries-old common history will remain

        Yes, it will be difficult for a second country to forget
      5. Orionvit
        Orionvit 15 January 2018 01: 33
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        let's remember that powders go away

        Yeah, but the states remain. If one clown goes backstage, the performance continues until the whole circus leaves.
      6. Vlad.by
        Vlad.by 15 January 2018 02: 25
        +2
        That's when the "powders leave", when they stop jumping, screaming and burning - then we will discuss the new Treaty. On new conditions.
        In the meantime, you need to take an example from Trump - do not like the terms of the contract? We leave it.
    4. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 14 January 2018 18: 46
      +5
      In general, Borka the drunk signed it, let him be friends with him in hell.
  2. askort154
    askort154 14 January 2018 16: 47
    +4
    What nonsense. According to the logic of Zatulin - if tomorrow we "make friends" again with Ukraine, will we return Crimea ?! It's time to convoy such a political official. fool negative
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 14 January 2018 16: 49
      14
      If you have your own extra Crimea, which has nothing to do with ours, you can at least yesterday and give it to the Chinese!
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 14 January 2018 16: 47
    32
    In fact, it is time to denounce this agreement completely, on the basis of statements by the authorities, sorry, the pseudo-power of Ukraine, that Russia is a country of aggression, and is fighting against Ukraine with its troops in the Donbass! And also on the basis of mass anti-Russian statements, and actions by the same pseudo-power ukroiny! One of their demands to strengthen anti-Russian sanctions obliges us to annul the treaty of friendship and cooperation, and adhere to armed neutrality towards ukroin!
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 14 January 2018 18: 10
      +8
      Herculesic hi. An old Native American proverb says: "The horse is dead - get off!"
      It is reasonable to assume that trying to conduct a dialogue with a dead pig is also, at least, ridiculous. smile
    2. karish
      karish 14 January 2018 18: 58
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      In fact, it is time to denounce this agreement completely, on the basis of statements by the authorities, sorry, the pseudo-power of Ukraine, that Russia is a country of aggression, and is fighting against Ukraine with its troops in the Donbass! And also on the basis of mass anti-Russian statements, and actions by the same pseudo-power ukroiny! One of their demands to strengthen anti-Russian sanctions obliges us to annul the treaty of friendship and cooperation, and adhere to armed neutrality towards ukroin!

      Not an aggressor, but an aggressor.
      And what else should Ukraine declare - when in violation of the agreement between the two countries on the recognition of borders - they suddenly grabbed a piece of it (recognized by the other side) - the territory --- stating that it was not theirs at all and they did not lie?
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 14 January 2018 19: 10
        +5
        You, as always, confuse the soft with the warm! am Or do you not know that Crimea was the territory of the Russian Empire, and ukroin is the old Russian “outskirts”! What and from whom did we take? We simply must return to Russia all the lands that were cut in the Soviet era ukroine, tearing them from Russia! After all, no one in a terrible dream could have imagined the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the departure of our lands from us, from Russia! Imagine that they are creating a new state in your lands, let's call it “Righteous Israel”, and from your country about 20 percent of your lands cover the creation of this new Israel! How do you look at this? And so they created ukroinu, on our own lands, and on our own head!
        1. karish
          karish 14 January 2018 19: 34
          +3
          Quote: Herkulesich
          You, as always, confuse the soft with the warm! am Or do you not know that Crimea was the territory of the Russian Empire, and ukroin is the old Russian “outskirts”! What and from whom did we take? We simply must return to Russia all the lands that were cut in the Soviet era ukroine, tearing them from Russia! After all, no one in a terrible dream could have imagined the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the departure of our lands from us, from Russia! Imagine that they are creating a new state in your lands, let's call it “Righteous Israel”, and from your country about 20 percent of your lands cover the creation of this new Israel! How do you look at this? And so they created ukroinu, on our own lands, and on our own head!

          Of course of course .
          This is the rhetoric they use - when there’s nothing to say,
          When the contract is violated by hand signed and ratified.
          Reminds Finnish - there the Finns also suddenly turned into white-finns.
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 14 January 2018 19: 49
            +7
            Not Finns, but Finns! And even more so, the specialist in turning everything upside down did not answer - if Israel starts to tear, swallow silently? And about the contract, before talking, find the contract you need, not selectively, but carefully read it and without selecting phrases or fragments from the context, as you like, answer the question - what is Russia wrong with! !! Just the main thing - try to be attentive and objective! !!!!
            1. karish
              karish 15 January 2018 07: 21
              +1
              Quote: Herkulesich
              his head never answered -If Israel starts to tear, swallow silently?

              When it comes to Israel, then I will answer you, now we are talking about Ukraine and Russia - the two closest fraternal people, with a common history for 1000 or more years, language, etc. etc.
              So who is there who was scolding?
              Quote: Herkulesich
              answer the question-what is Russia wrong with!

              Russia violated an agreement signed on its own to ratify the territorial integrity of Ukraine.
              Tearing off the Crimea (despite the fact that its affiliation with Ukraine is of course somewhat controversial, but --- THE AGREEMENT YOU SIGNED).
              Quote: Herkulesich
              Just the main thing - try to be attentive and objective

              I am absolutely objective.
              Without entering THERE IS NO and blocking the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there would be no referendum in Crimea, the Crimean referendum from the point of view of the Constitution of Ukraine (by the way and from the point of view of the Constitution of the Russian Federation - check the history of the referendum in Tatarstan) has no legal basis.
              Tales of trains filled with militants traveling to slaughter Crimeans - sorry, I don’t believe it - because nothing is confirmed, propaganda inflated in the Russian media against Ukraine is designed to justify a dishonest act and at first pursued much simpler goals.
              The plan was to tear the entire south of Ukraine to Transnistria with access to the Romanian border. The plan is beautiful and most elegant from the point of view of geopolitics - the entire Black Sea and the industrial centers of Ukraine join Russia (or the Ukrainian Abkhazia are turning) - but it has not grown together.
              They are not there in Odessa did not work as they should, and in other places the support of the local population was absolutely passive or negative.
              Girkin and Co. felt this very quickly, so it was necessary to introduce the North Wind into the Donbass in order to somehow maintain what was and create a conflict zone in the hope of developing the situation in Ukraine in the right direction.
              I say again - the plan is beautiful and elegant, and from geopolitics, if implemented, it assigned to the Russian Federation practically everything that the USSR lost in Europe.
              But the question is only one thing - all this geopolitics is being done on the fraternal and closest people - Ukrainians, Ukrainians and Russians are dying, the degree of hatred of one for the other has reached its maximum and it is not clear whether it will ever return to its previous relationship.
              Well, let's end this with the fact that it all started - RF.
              Neither Ukraine came with THEIR THERE NO in the Russian Federation, nor Ukraine supports the separatists (no need to jump - so things like LDNR are called all over the world), etc. etc.
              And so everything is beautiful.
              only a mess with Maidan is a private affair of Ukraine (as in Russia at that time with the same Chechnya) - and to do what is being done, and even at the state level --- it does not look very beautiful, from a country not only advocating for the observance of international law, but also the type that is the guarantor of the world and the foundation of the Russian World (it is not entirely clear what it is - but there is the same term)
              This is how it looks from the outside, if you wanted to hear my opinion.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 15 January 2018 07: 34
                +7
                Quote: karish
                Russia violated a treaty recognizing the territorial integrity of Ukraine with its own signed and ratified

                Memorandum yes
                Ratified? Right? wink
                Quote: karish
                Stories about trains filled with militants traveling to cut Crimeans - sorry, I do not believe

                And in vain. There were a lot of videos, and on similar topics - too.
                It’s just not beneficial for you to “know” about it.
                Quote: karish
                all this geopolitics is done on the fraternal and closest people - Ukrainians, Ukrainians and Russians are dying, the degree of hatred of one for the other has reached its maximum ...

                Moderate the pathos ... "does not build", in the "musical sense" of the word.
                Ukrainians were trained in Russian for 25+ years.
                We started with Kuchma ("Ukraine is not Russia"), and then on an increasing basis.
                Personally, I felt this on myself, my friends, friends of the institute ... how they were reborn.
                Quote: karish
                mess with Maidan is a personal matter of Ukraine

                Potential Amer base in Crimea - too? wink
                Quote: karish
                This is how it looks from the side

                Looks cool negative
                You used to be thinner trolls ... remember yes
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 15 January 2018 23: 10
                0
                Pure Water Napoleon, STRATEG !!!!!!! He knows everything, teaches everyone.
          2. BMP-2
            BMP-2 14 January 2018 20: 02
            10
            Everything you said could be true if it were not for one “but”: modern Ukraine has never stated that it is the legal successor of Ukraine from the time of Yanukovych. The current "rulers" count down from anything: Pithecanthropus, the Khazars, the UPR ... but not from the Ukrainian SSR and the previous "criminal dominion." Was there a coup? It was (none of the four methods defined by the Constitution of Ukraine for removing the previous president from power was applied!). Without claims of legal title, any New Ukrainian claim to anything is nothing more than a desire to receive something that the current government has never belonged to! hi
            1. karish
              karish 15 January 2018 07: 27
              0
              Quote: BMP-2
              Everything you said could be true, if it were not for one “but”: modern Ukraine has never stated that it is the legal successor of Ukraine from the time of Yanukovych

              And what is this new compote?
              Trump also did not say that the United States is the legal successor of the United States from the time of Obama, and Putin did not say that the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the Russian Federation from the time of Yeltsin.
              Baby talk
              Quote: BMP-2
              The current "rulers" count down from anything: Pithecanthropus, the Khazars, the UPR ... but not from the Ukrainian SSR and the previous "criminal dominion"

              It’s not your business, S.Korea is reckoned from the birth of Kim Il Sung, and Turkmenistan from the birth of the mother of Turkmenbashi - so what?
              It does not concern you - they are absolutely independent states.
              Quote: BMP-2
              Was there a coup? Was

              There were elections of the Rada and the president - recognized by the whole world including Russia.
              I’ll tell you easier in the USSR (then the Ros. Empire empire had a coup? Was) - well, start drawing analogies.
              Quote: BMP-2
              none of the four methods defined by the Constitution of Ukraine for removing the previous president from power has been applied!).

              This is not your business, there are the people of Ukraine, the Constitutional Court, etc. etc.
              After that, the elections were recognized by all and now Ukraine is absolutely legitimate power. Point.
              Quote: BMP-2
              Without claims of legal title, any New Ukrainian claim for anything is nothing more than a desire to receive something that the current government has never belonged to!

              Yes ?
              An interesting interpretation of international law.
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 15 January 2018 11: 39
                +3
                Alexander, I understand your desire to solve everything for everyone, and probably it could even be useful if your intellectual resources were used constructively and not based on erroneous premises. Let's take a closer look at them.
                Perhaps unrighteous anger obscures your eyes, but ... if you open them and look at my profile picture, you can easily notice that this is the flag of Ukraine, or rather, the Ukrainian SSR. I will say more, I live in Ukraine, and, by the will of circumstances, relate specifically to the "Ukrainian people." And if you say that it’s not my business -
                make decisions about what and how should happen on this territory if you are sure that my opinion as the opinion of part of this people can not be considered, if you think that the scanty percentage of crooks who seized power and held it by force of arms , has the exclusive right to it - then your concept of segregation becomes clear, but don’t wait for consent.
                Regarding Trump: unlike Poroshenko, he was elected legally, and he has nothing to declare the legal succession. Poroshenko, I repeat, came to power illegally, since the procedure for removing the previous president from power was violated. Well, to declare that the elections held under the ban of part of political parties and under the armed control of the Right Sector militants, they say, legitimized the power, well, this, as you put it, is really “babble”.
                Regarding the coup d'etat in tsarist Russia, which led to the formation of the USSR: I would not want to recommend that you carefully read the history, but I think there is no other way: the Bolsheviks' non-recognition of succession made the international treaties concluded by the Russian Empire void, and in fact, the USSR had to declare what and how the USSR is the legal successor. In Ukraine, this is not now. So, the analogy is unsuccessful.

                Therefore, before you put an end to it, think about whether it will become a dirty stain, and then act, you are our interesting one! laughing hi
          3. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 15 January 2018 02: 31
            +3
            So the Mannerheim line was built after the attack of Russian aggressors? Or were German intelligence schools and special units not behind this line?
            Just like that they took and attacked ...
            1. karish
              karish 15 January 2018 08: 31
              +1
              Quote: Vlad.by
              So the Mannerheim line was built after the attack of Russian aggressors?

              defensive structures are not built to attack, but to defend themselves.
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Or were German intelligence schools and special units not behind this line?

              nonsense .
              The USSR began the war with Finland at a time when the USSR and Germany were kissing on their gums.
              Quote: Vlad.by
              Just like that they took and attacked ...

              Yes, and tore a piece of Finland.
              breaking all contracts. for no reason or reason on the part of Finland.
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 15 January 2018 11: 42
                +3
                So without any? lol
              2. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 19 January 2018 16: 59
                0
                Well yes! And Russians are accused of aggression! They built the 40th line of Stalin. Nearly.
                Well, the aggressors!
          4. Pissarro
            Pissarro 15 January 2018 21: 44
            0
            The Finns turned into white Finns in 1918 when they killed the Finns of the Reds during the local Civil War.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 14 January 2018 16: 49
    10
    The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine is the basic document of Russian-Ukrainian relations. It implies a strategic partnership of the two countries "based on the principles of mutual respect, sovereign equality, territorial integrity, inviolability of borders, peaceful settlement of disputes, non-use of force or the threat of force, including economic and other methods of pressure."
    ... All these principles and partnerships have not been unilaterally observed by country 404 for a long time ..
  5. Masya masya
    Masya masya 14 January 2018 16: 53
    11
    Again some half measures ... denounce so go to the end! Said "A," say "B"!
    Friendship agreement

    Where friendship was, it has long grown ... forgive me, God ...
    1. rapid turtle
      rapid turtle 14 January 2018 17: 34
      +7
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Where friendship has been there for a long time

      Ha! Friendship is friendship, but its own shirt is closer to the body lol soldier love
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 14 January 2018 17: 51
        +7
        love
        Quote: rapid turtle
        own shirt closer to the body

        lol
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        2. rapid turtle
          rapid turtle 14 January 2018 18: 02
          +4
          Quote: Masya Masya
          love
          Quote: rapid turtle
          own shirt closer to the body

          lol

          love love love

          lol tongue
  6. Dormidont
    Dormidont 14 January 2018 16: 56
    +4
    We will not extend Ukraine?
  7. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 14 January 2018 16: 58
    10
    Definitely need a denunciation of this treaty, piece by piece cut is not solid for us, and it is not practical to return a hundred times to this issue.
    1. BMP-2
      BMP-2 14 January 2018 20: 06
      +6
      Definitely need a denunciation of the agreement signed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha! yes
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 14 January 2018 16: 59
    +7
    Zatulin, like all members of EdRosa, is a talker and demagogue. Putin somehow accused Lenin of planting a bomb. But the capture of the Crimea is aimed at disconnecting forever all the Russian regions now called Ukraine.
    Another hundred years will pass, horses will appear somewhere in Pomerania, fortunately, work is being done there to separate them.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 14 January 2018 17: 39
      +4
      I recommend that you personally read what Putin said there, and not repeat the cries of "historians" from the Goblin website.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 January 2018 18: 09
        +7
        Recommended
        listen to what Putin says about Russia.

        We are 80% and we are not and not provocateurs.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 15 January 2018 20: 38
          +1
          “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast.

          As a representative of our Soviet Government, I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian people. (Stormy, prolonged applause, cries of "Hurray").

          I drink, above all, for the health of the Russian people because it is the most prominent nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.

          I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because they have earned in this war and earlier earned the title, if you like, of the leading force of our Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.

          I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have common sense, general political common sense and patience.

          Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in 1941–42, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because it didn’t there was another way.

          Some other people could say: you did not live up to our hopes, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. This could happen, keep in mind.

          But the Russian people did not agree to this, the Russian people did not compromise, they showed unlimited trust in our government. I repeat, we had mistakes, the first two years our army was forced to retreat, it turned out that they did not master the events, did not cope with the situation. However, the Russian people believed, endured, waited and hoped that we would cope with events.

          It is for this trust in our government that the Russian people have shown us, thank you very much!

          For the health of the Russian people! (Stormy, long-standing applause.) "
          I.V. Stalin
    2. serg999
      serg999 14 January 2018 17: 40
      +1
      You have a strange opinion ... Somehow everything is too complicated ... Yes, and somehow stupid, doesn’t it? So, according to your logic, can we join half the world, so that someday in the future the rest half of the world, God forbid, do not join us ???
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 January 2018 18: 04
        11
        You have a strange opinion ..
        I know the story well. and the whole of the so-called Ukraine speaks Russian better, but for some reason the Americans are claiming it. I just suggest saying A, say B. Not only our Crimea, but also Kharkov, Mariupol, Odessa. Read the biography of Prince Potemkin, there was a wild field on those lands, the Russians came, they mastered everything.
        And Ukraine, this is just Lviv, and Ivano-Frankivsk region.
  9. izya top
    izya top 14 January 2018 17: 04
    +3
    there is no friendship, cooperation and partnership, in theory, there is reason to say: "So, we need to resolve all issues anew, including issues along borders."
    logical damn it what
  10. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 January 2018 17: 07
    +9
    Why did the Union fall apart? It was not necessary for the three republics to scatter. Let the rest go through the woods .. And with Ukraine, the conversation is simple: all over again! Who created you? Stalin and Lenin? It does not count! Return everything that belonged to the Russian Empire, and the rest to you for a snack!
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 14 January 2018 17: 15
      15
      They all muddied for three. One in joy could return Crimea under pressure, the other in joy did not think to do this, the third was a hospitable host.
  11. Karaul73
    Karaul73 14 January 2018 17: 14
    +2
    What is the agreement of the deputies? Take a look at the window. For a long time there has been no friendship and recognized boundaries.
  12. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 January 2018 17: 18
    +7
    Quote: Rusland
    They all muddied for three. One in joy could return Crimea under pressure, the other in joy did not think to do this, the third was a hospitable host.

    Apparently there was a lot of vodka and elk. And there were consultants too, one of them later slapped us on the American pattern. With such a mustache, Shakhrai is his last name .. I wonder how many mattresses he dumped? Yeltsin was given 10 billion dollars ...
  13. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 14 January 2018 17: 19
    +4
    I already hear the cries of the pan-and-leg - "Occupation, aggression" laughing
  14. starogil
    starogil 14 January 2018 17: 20
    +6
    Where is the sailor Zheleznyak? The Duma, a bunch of snickering goats - must be dispersed
    and - IMMEDIATELY.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 14 January 2018 17: 55
      +3
      I wrote yesterday, Veche must be collected.
    2. Svist
      Svist 14 January 2018 21: 39
      0
      Quote: starogil
      Where is the sailor Zheleznyak?

      Where, where ... "Sergey Vladimirovich Zheleznyak is a Russian statesman, a prominent businessman in the past. He holds the post of Deputy Chairman of the State Duma and is Deputy Secretary General of the United Russia.
      Deputy Sergei Zheleznyak perceives his work as a service to his homeland, that is, as what he studied at the Nakhimov and Naval schools. "(C)
      1. starogil
        starogil 15 January 2018 06: 03
        +2
        This is that Zhelezyaka whose THREE daughters live in London and study in politics?
  15. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 January 2018 17: 26
    +6
    What does it mean in part? . The contract is either respected or terminated, there are cases of wiping them with paper media. Decide on our highly wise representatives, do not "read here, but wrap the herring here." Not worthy of it somehow. Not ready for a principled stand - don't wave
  16. prior
    prior 14 January 2018 17: 51
    +5
    With regard to Ukraine, one must follow the example of the most “democratic” state on the planet (FSA).
    Declare Kiev the capital of terrorism and Bandera fascism. Bomb like Yugoslavia. Accept surrender. Put the pro-Russian puppet government. Rename the territory to Little Russia.
    All. Ukraine is dead.
    And if the State Department doesn’t like it, this is his State Department’s problem, let it come up with sanctions further.
    Without Russia, the whole world is in isolation, but not the other way around.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 56
      +1
      Taras Berezovets, political strategist and director of Berta Communications, spoke live on Schuster LIVE. A weekday talk about secret conversations of Alexander Turchinov and Russian State Duma speaker Sergei Naryshkin in 2014, before the annexation of Crimea: “In early March, Naryshkin called Turchinov and said literally the following: “Sasha, if you do something in Crimea within two days, we will land an air assault in the power triangle - the Presidential Administration, the Verkhovna Rada, the cabinet of ministers. We will declare you war criminals. ”
      Quote: prior
      Declare Kiev the capital of terrorism and Bandera fascism

      You can talk a lot and do nothing
  17. next322
    next322 14 January 2018 18: 04
    13
    to denounce the entire agreement, it was necessary back in the summer of 2014, when the war in the Donbass began ...... there has been no friendship and cooperation with the Nazis for a long time, and in the near future it will be time for the slow-thinking people to understand ....... politics constant groveling and flirting with respectable partners - must be stopped
  18. Weyland
    Weyland 14 January 2018 18: 41
    +3
    "Konstantin Zatulin proposed to denounce the Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between Russia and Ukraine in that part where the parties recognize each other’s territorial boundaries "

    And I would fully denounced as having lost relevance: delirium after all, what kind of friendship there is - in fact there is fierce hostility!
  19. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 14 January 2018 18: 48
    +3
    As far as I remember him, Zatulin always liked to have a good blood count. Denunciation of this treaty by Ukraine will be regarded as an open declaration of war by us. Then immediately, it will be necessary to move on to active and decisive action. Are you ready to go there with weapons in your hands?
  20. domnich
    domnich 14 January 2018 19: 09
    +6
    Quote: Teberii
    In the circumstances, it is no longer valid.


    Quote: Reserve officer
    In fact, there is no existing agreement on "Friendship .."


    Quote: Herkulesich
    Actually, it’s time to fully denounce this agreement.


    Quote: Masya Masya
    some half measures ... denounce so go to the end!


    Quote: ul_vitalii
    Definitely need to denounce this agreement


    Quote: Gardamir
    I just suggest said A, say B.


    Quote: next322
    fully denounce the contract, it was necessary in the summer of 2014


    My life experience tells me that at first glance very difficult questions, in fact (when you still decide to figure them out personally and to the end) are not so complicated.

    So it is with Ukraine. Denounce the “Agreement on friendship, cooperation and partnership between Russia and Ukraine” - not that it is already Ukraine! And conclude a similar Agreement with the Lao PDR, as with the sole legal successor of the former Ukraine. Note that this decision does not imply any bombing of Kiev and other territories. But it is fully consistent with the sanctions that we already have. This even contradicts the Minsk agreements less than the position of the Ukrainian authorities.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 14 January 2018 19: 32
      +2
      And conclude a similar Agreement with the Lao PDR, as with the sole legal successor of the former Ukraine.

      If we had not recognized the coup as legitimate, if we had not recognized President Poroshenko, then it would be logical to do as you say. Unfortunately, inconsistent actions have led to the fact that now we cannot denounce the agreement without the risk of being accused of all mortal sins. But if Ukraine is at least formally guilty, it’s another matter.
      1. domnich
        domnich 14 January 2018 20: 28
        +7
        Quote: glory1974
        now we can not denounce the contract


        How can we! It's not to bomb Yugoslavia ... Time has passed, it's time to overestimate the values ​​and call enemies enemies, friends friends. And there, the population of Ukraine will catch up, they are too sick of the current government. Emphasis should be placed on countering informational frenzied propaganda, exposing the lies and ... again not appearing in the war.
  21. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 14 January 2018 19: 23
    0
    Finally, everything was confirmed.
    No smoke without fire, or Eustace-Alex:
    Georgian dossier: Ukraine called fake messages about letters of Poroshenko to the FSB

    source: https://russian.rt.com/ussr/article/470048-porosh
    enko-fsb-saakashvili

  22. Chichikov
    Chichikov 14 January 2018 19: 24
    +5
    Well, yes, they recently announced that they agree to transfer the ships of the Ukrainian Navy remaining in Crimea as “goodwill,” and now they are talking about denunciation ... And, Ukrainian politicians, as a “goodwill”, they are talking about destroying everything Russian, including the population of Donbass, about the campaign against Moscow, about Russian aggression ...
    For 3,5 years, it's time to decide - who is friend and who is enemy!
  23. Letnab
    Letnab 14 January 2018 19: 28
    0
    Well, why do we need this initiative? A referendum was held, residents of the Crimea decided where they feel better. And do not say that the decision was under military pressure!
  24. Terenin
    Terenin 14 January 2018 19: 51
    +8
    In the State Duma offered to partially denounce the agreement on cooperation with Ukraine, nevermind yourself, in just four years you thought of it !? crying Slowly please, I do not keep up with your thoughts Comrade Deputies wink
  25. borys
    borys 14 January 2018 19: 58
    +4
    There are no contracts for eternal times. In any contract (agreement), the validity period and termination procedure are indicated. The conditions have changed, then it's time
    change or completely terminate the contract. By the way, there is reason to doubt the full legal capacity of the then signatories of the aforementioned agreement (meaning EBN). This consideration alone is sufficient to warrant a review.
    contract. And the whole world has changed.
    1. Sapiens 63
      Sapiens 63 14 January 2018 21: 09
      0
      Well, following your logic about EBN, let's review the successor candidacy? He is incapable, it means all decisions and we will reconsider
  26. StVahmistr
    StVahmistr 14 January 2018 22: 19
    +1
    Quote: Chertt
    and a large country with a centuries-old common history will remain

    Do you mean the country that dug up the Black Sea and created the Caucasus Mountains?
  27. StVahmistr
    StVahmistr 14 January 2018 22: 25
    +2
    Quote: karish
    that it’s not theirs and theirs at all split tap didn’t lie?

    How to "cut tap" from Israeli to translate into Russian? Even the online translator was at a dead end ... request
  28. StVahmistr
    StVahmistr 14 January 2018 22: 28
    +3
    Quote: Herkulesich
    We simply must return to Russia all the lands that were cut in the Soviet era ukroine, tearing them from Russia!

    And not only that ...
  29. StVahmistr
    StVahmistr 14 January 2018 22: 47
    +2
    Quote: Gardamir
    We are 80% and we are not and not provocateurs.

    Well, yes, if I am Russian, it means I, and to everyone else it means you can set your own rules for living in my kitchen ... Kosovo is an example.
  30. StVahmistr
    StVahmistr 14 January 2018 22: 54
    +4
    Quote: Dzafdet
    It was not necessary for the three republics to scatter.

    Nobody wanted to run away, the Middle Asian republics did not want to either, though for their own reasons. Just some comrades wanted to feel like kings when the opportunity arose. So they took advantage of humpback perestroika ...
  31. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 15 January 2018 06: 42
    0
    a little late caught on, before it was necessary to THINK
  32. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 15 January 2018 08: 57
    0
    Yeah, woke up, got in a hurry from hibernation and again blurted out inappropriately. And why only denounce within the borders? The joint engineering and shipbuilding and aircraft building and construction and chemical production and agricultural production and science are already poached, and this eccentric has just come to his senses! Or am I not catching up with Cho? And our defense is also joint ???
  33. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 20
    +2
    Quote: karish
    And the work was carried out and suddenly once and --- where didn’t the referendum come from, everything is spontaneous, they’re not there

    work was not carried out, I dare to assert. Himself from the Crimea. Most likely, the idea of ​​a referendum arose with reliable data on the change of power of Yanukovych and the arrival of the Yankees in Crimea. If you search, then in the internet you can find this evidence.
    A referendum is a mechanism that was used to legalize the accession of Crimea. I must say that by 2014, the population of Crimea was inert. In Sevastopol it was different. There, the anti-Ukrainian degree was much higher. Everyone was jealous of Russia's high salaries, but no one seriously thought about joining. The society caught fire after the Maidan, when the killed policemen were buried, after the defeat of the minibuses from the Crimea with the anti-Maidan activists. After these acts of intimidation, everyone thought about personal safety.
  34. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 34
    +2
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    work on the demarcation of borders between Russia and Urkaina was not completed.

    Ban Ki-moon’s statement to the UN that "Ukraine is not a state - it is the administrative district of the USSR" interested us in exploring how the historical borders of Ukraine were formed. The fact is that the UN Security Council once again addressed the issue of Ukraine, and experts made the following conclusion under international law: it turns out that since the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine has not carried out and has not properly registered with the UN the demarcation of its borders as a state... They remain along the borders of the administrative district of the USSR according to the usual treaty within the CIS, which the UN has no legal force.

    Since the country does not have its official border within the framework of international law, there is no reason to talk about its violation by anyone. There is also no reason to talk about separatism, i.e. forcibly changing the configuration of the border. You cannot change that which does not exist!
    While the information is not confirmed, there are no official reports, but it turns out that Ukraine, this is not a state at all! And since Russia is the legitimate heir to the USSR, then all of Ukraine belongs to Russia legally.
  35. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 45
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    Russia does not need to make meaningless movements. It is clear that Zatulin decided to cut down the "pluses" ... And let's remember that the Poroshenko are leaving, and a large country with a centuries-old common history will remain

    according to Zatulin I agree. The question is which “country remains”. I am inclined to the fact that another 10 years of the current state of “neither war, nor peace” and about the common history can be forgotten. Just like in Russia, millions do not already remember and do not know the USSR. There will be a country with an alien ideology of "anti-Russia." So what then to do?
  36. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 48
    +1
    Quote: Chichikov
    Well, yes, they recently announced that they agree to transfer the ships of the Ukrainian Navy remaining in Crimea as “goodwill,” and now they are talking about denunciation ..

    and as a friendship they handed over to Ukram military equipment that went straight from the wheels to the Donbass. Such is this "friendship"
  37. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 10: 48
    0
    Quote: domnich
    And there, the population of Ukraine will catch up,

    not sure
  38. amr
    amr 15 January 2018 12: 33
    0
    Quote: karish
    And the work was carried out and suddenly once and --- where didn’t the referendum come from, everything is spontaneous, they’re not there --- and so everything is fine --- agreement, friendship, ratification

    Politics she is)))
    A striking thing, almost 90% of all political actions, decisions and statements are all licorice, and not hidden, but everyone knows perfectly well what, why, how much .... moreover, they are voiced by the same people but with the prefix ex ... and all this considered normal!
    Licimer is the astounding progress of all mankind!
  39. amr
    amr 15 January 2018 12: 41
    +1
    Quote: Overlock
    work was not carried out, I dare to assert. Himself from the Crimea. Most likely, the idea of ​​a referendum arose with reliable data on the change of power of Yanukovych and the arrival of the Yankees in Crimea. If you search, then in the internet you can find this evidence.


    I am also from the Crimea ...
    ... obviously, of course, the work was not carried out, and as always the ubiquitous one kept a pulse, it was carried out from the moment when Tuzla fell asleep, this scythe, you are boiling in the Ukrainian media was good ....
    And if you look at how the referendum was held, I think this operation was not developed for 1-2 years.
    Moreover, the simplest is to calculate which groups are being displayed, which military units are being cut off, etc., the most clear-cut psychological state of the population, taking into account the transnational issue, etc.
    what can I say if even thieves in law were warned))
    I have a “thief in law” type farm on my collective farm, Georgians, when they chose Yanukovych the next day he flew by mom to fly by helicopter, like he was bored though the deadline was on))) they say he kept the zone))
    and so, during this kipish, the Ural military came to his home, on Ross numbers, stood at night at the gate, turned on all the lights, and 3-4 minutes at the beep !!!, then drove off across the road, this procedure again in an hour ..
    and so in everything, a very clear operation, standing ovation!
  40. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 18: 05
    0
    Quote: Dr_Engie
    But after him, the president was elected by voting after all.

    when was the coup and when did they elect the president? February-May. Interval of almost 3 months
  41. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 20: 28
    0
    Quote: Dr_Engie

    1
    Dr_Engie Today, 11:58 ↑
    But was there an ALL-Ukrainian referendum? Have you ever opened Article 73?

    and under what article of the Constitution did Yanukovych drive out? Since Maidan rejected the Constitution of Ukraine, Crimea also rejected the Constitution of Ukraine. What is the contradiction?
  42. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 20: 34
    0
    Quote: karish
    Stories about trains filled with militants traveling to cut Crimeans - sorry I don’t believe it - maybe nothing is confirmed

    Maybe there were no killed Crimean policemen from the "Golden Eagle". Or maybe Maidan was not? And on the trains of "friendship" - see

    or maybe it wasn’t?
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 20: 38
      0
      Quote: Overlock
      Maybe there were no murdered Crimean policemen from the "Golden Eagle"

      Were, and where is the Crimea?
      Quote: Overlock
      . Or maybe Maidan was not?

      Was and what?
      And my question is when did Yeltsin shoot the White House there? Or when the GKChP is what?
      militiamen did not die? Maybe all of Yeltsin’s actions were legitimate?
      So we are talking about the struggle of the branches of power, and not about popular uprisings.
      And what about the trains?
      I did not see armed militants.
  43. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 20: 50
    +1
    Quote: karish
    Without entering THERE IS NO and blocking parts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there would be no referendum in Crimea

    You are right here. would be THIS:

    or that

    or is it

    If you protect your family, then why shouldn’t I protect my family?
    Just do not need me to sing songs "about the peacefulness and compassion of Ukrainians." He lived with them for more than 30 years. I always thought and still consider Crimea RUSSIAN. And you want to check, you are welcome.
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      Just do not need me to sing songs "about the peacefulness and compassion of Ukrainians." He lived with them for more than 30 years. I always thought and still consider Crimea RUSSIAN. And you want to check, you are welcome.

      I also consider the Crimea Russian, I served there, brother-in-law from the Crimea.
      So what ?
      And my wife from Kiev and Kiev is Russian, since I go there twice a year I speak only Russian; I don’t know Ukrainian at all, and?
      Is that a reason?
      And as for the Donbass, I’ll tell you-- where Girki and Co. didn’t get to — they don’t kill people.
      I have Russian father-in-law and mother-in-law and live in Kiev - for some reason no one is killing them, and now I am not killing them in Odessa both in Kramatorsk and in Slavyansk, Mariupol and even in Lviv.
      And where Girkin’s followers stayed to defend the Russians, for some reason they kill him.
      Could leave? And will it be like throughout Ukraine? In its other parts, no one touches the Russians.
      Maybe try this kind of protection? Do you want to protect the Russians?
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 15 January 2018 21: 14
        0
        Killings are flourishing throughout Ukraine. Hang noodles to someone else. How people burned in Odessa, how they fell from bullets in Marika, how the Natsiks shoot cops with impunity in Kiev, how the war is going on exactly in amber, how journalists are found in the rivers, and everyone knows perfectly well. And do not hit your artillery in Donetsk, and there people would not have died
        1. karish
          karish 15 January 2018 22: 34
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          Killings flourish throughout Ukraine

          Russian murders - because they are Russian?
          Who are you lying to?
          Quote: Pissarro
          How people burned in Odessa, how they fell from bullets in Marika, how the Natsiks shoot cops with impunity in Kiev, how the war is going on exactly in amber, how journalists are found in the rivers, and everyone knows perfectly well.

          in Ukraine they kill Russians because they are Russians? State policy? Or amber crime?
          do not confuse soft with warm
          Quote: Pissarro
          Don’t hit your artillery in Donetsk,

          Our artillery is thrashing through Gaza.
          Ukrainian artillery pounding on the separatists in Donetsk, as the Russian Army hollowed on the separatists in Grozny.
          Quote: Pissarro
          and there people would not die

          Where there were no separatists, people did not die.
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 15 January 2018 22: 41
            +1
            What does the Russian have to do with it? Your friends cut more at times disagreeing with Bandera Ukrainians, however, as then, in the forties and fifties in the Carpathians.
            And in Donetsk there is an alley of angels. With last names and photos. These are the very separatists who beat the artillery of your friends. However, for those who beat on children in Gaza, this is close and understandable. One logic, we will sow fear and death, they will be afraid of us. Only punishers do not cause fear, but disgust. And God is not a fraer, he sees everything
            1. karish
              karish 15 January 2018 22: 53
              +1
              Quote: Pissarro
              What does the Russian have to do with it? Your friends cut more at times disagreeing with Bandera Ukrainians, however, as then, in the forties and fifties in the Carpathians.

              They are not my friends, my friends do not cut anyone.
              Quote: Pissarro
              And in Donetsk there is an alley of angels. With last names and photos. These are the same separatists who use artillery

              Unhappy children, they are hostages of political games and adversity - when neither of them nor their parents have any place to leave this sight.
              Quote: Pissarro
              However, for those who beat on children in Gaza, this is close and understandable.

              There live those who were dragged by Arafat, who, taking the inhabitants of Gaza hostage, prefer to shell Israel, hiding behind the backs of civilians, and not engage in the welfare of their people.
              But, I like your comparison --- we with the Arabs were never brothers, but exclusively enemies.
              You want to say that your relationship with the Ukrainians was the same?

              Quote: Pissarro
              . One logic, we will sow fear and death, they will be afraid of us.

              Girkin escaped from Kramatorsk and Slavyansk - and there it was quiet and calm.
              I was detained in Donetsk and Lugansk - they continue to kill.
              With logic, everything is fine with me.
              So what does the people of Donbass protect Zakharchenko and Co. from? Can you still explain to me?
              What would not kill Russian? So where they are not there, they do not kill, and the children do not sit under the bombs.
              Quote: Pissarro
              And God is not a fraer, he sees everything

              You rightly said that.
              And it is up to him, not you.
              1. Pissarro
                Pissarro 15 January 2018 23: 04
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                “But, I like your comparison --- we with the Arabs were never brothers, but exclusively enemies.
                Do you want to say that your relations with the Ukrainians were the same? ”

                Do not confuse Ukrainians with Bandera. We are one nation with Ukrainians, Ukrainians are hostages of the Nazi regime. Bandera and I, too, were not brothers and we will not. These are the Judas who sold the faith of the fathers, consanguinity, and the victories of their ancestors. Ukrainians tore the fascists shoulder to shoulder with the Russians at the front, and Bandera committed “feats” in Khatyn, in Volyn and in Babi Yar. And half a century later in Odessa and in the Donbass
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 15 January 2018 22: 57
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        Read about Denikin about Russians. Then you will understand who is Russian. and who is gussian
  44. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 01
    0
    Quote: karish
    Stop looking for excuses.
    the agreement recognized and ratified the fact of territorial integrity and inviolability of borders.

    I don’t understand you! If Russia violated the documents it signed, go to the COURT, the most humane court in the EU and prove it! But for some reason, Ukraine doesn’t want to do this either. Why? Because he cannot win the court.
    Then why is this baby talk about signers?
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 21: 14
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      I don’t understand you! If Russia violated the documents it signed, go to the COURT, the most humane court in the EU and prove it!

      So it’s kind of like they proved? Or EU sanctions --- have you not heard about this? belay
      Quote: Overlock
      But for some reason, Ukraine doesn’t want to do this either. Why?

      What ? not the legality of the annexation of Crimea recognized by the EU, UN, of course, Ukraine.
      Quote: Overlock
      Then why is this baby talk about signers?

      you babble, have you been in the woods for 3 years? Or have you been banned in Google?
  45. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 03
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    Quote: karish
    Please provide the entire article of the law, especially regarding the procedure for holding a referendum.

    Give an article of the Constitution on the early termination of powers of Yanukovych.
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 21: 09
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      Quote: karish
      Please provide the entire article of the law, especially regarding the procedure for holding a referendum.

      Give an article of the Constitution on the early termination of powers of Yanukovych.

      Regarding Yanukovych, this does not matter.
      maybe he escaped from his country.
      RUNNING. Being the supreme commander-in-chief, etc., etc.
      Escaped.
      The president is chosen by the people to serve for the good of the people.
      He left his people, left his country — by this he simply DELEGATIMATED himself!
      It is not legitimate in fact. In fact - is it clear or not?
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 15 January 2018 21: 17
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        The constitution does not have such a definition; it is illegitimate in fact. So any departure of the head of state abroad can be called flight. He went on how much and where the rebels are not required to report
        1. karish
          karish 15 January 2018 22: 36
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          The constitution does not have such a definition; it is illegitimate in fact.

          There is .
          If the president evades his duties. yes
          Quote: Pissarro
          . So any departure of the head of state abroad can be called flight.

          Baby talk
          Quote: Pissarro
          He went on how much and where the rebels do not have to report

          And already 3 years laughing laughing laughing
  46. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 11
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    Quote: karish
    Yes, and tore a piece of Finland.
    breaking all contracts. for no reason or reason on the part of Finland.

    Have they really offended poor Finns?
    On March 1.15, the so-called "Wallenius Plan" was approved, according to which the Finns wanted to seize Russian lands along the border: the White Sea - Lake Onega - the Svir River - Lake Ladoga, in addition, the Pechengi region, the Kola Peninsula, should have moved to Suomi, Petrograd become a "free city". On the same day, volunteer units received orders to begin the conquest of East Karelia.

    15 May 1918, Helsinki declared war on Russia, until the autumn of active hostilities was not, Germany concluded the Brest peace with the Bolsheviks. But after its defeat, the situation has changed, 15 October 1918, the Finns seized the Rebolsky region, in January 1919, the Porozersky region. In April, the Olonets volunteer army began an offensive; it captured Olonets, approached Petrozavodsk. During the Vidlitskoy operation (27 June-8 July), the Finns were defeated and expelled from the Soviet land. In the autumn of 1919, the Finns repeated the attack on Petrozavodsk, but were repulsed at the end of September. In July 1920, the Finns suffered a few more defeats, and negotiations began.
    2. But this was not enough for the Finns, the Great Finland plan was not implemented. The second war was unleashed, it began with the formation of partisan units in the territory of Soviet Karelia in October 1921, on November 6, Finnish volunteer units invaded the territory of Russia. By mid-February 1922, Soviet troops liberated the occupied territories; on March 21, an agreement on the inviolability of borders was signed.
    As the first Prime Minister of Finland, Svinhuvud, put it: "Any enemy of Russia should always be a friend of Finland."
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 22: 42
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      Quote: karish
      Yes, and tore a piece of Finland.
      breaking all contracts. for no reason or reason on the part of Finland.

      Have they really offended poor Finns?
      On March 1.15, the so-called "Wallenius Plan" was approved, according to which the Finns wanted to seize Russian lands along the border: the White Sea - Lake Onega - the Svir River - Lake Ladoga, in addition, the Pechengi region, the Kola Peninsula, should have moved to Suomi, Petrograd become a "free city". On the same day, volunteer units received orders to begin the conquest of East Karelia.

      15 May 1918, Helsinki declared war on Russia, until the autumn of active hostilities was not, Germany concluded the Brest peace with the Bolsheviks. But after its defeat, the situation has changed, 15 October 1918, the Finns seized the Rebolsky region, in January 1919, the Porozersky region. In April, the Olonets volunteer army began an offensive; it captured Olonets, approached Petrozavodsk. During the Vidlitskoy operation (27 June-8 July), the Finns were defeated and expelled from the Soviet land. In the autumn of 1919, the Finns repeated the attack on Petrozavodsk, but were repulsed at the end of September. In July 1920, the Finns suffered a few more defeats, and negotiations began.
      2. But this was not enough for the Finns, the Great Finland plan was not implemented. The second war was unleashed, it began with the formation of partisan units in the territory of Soviet Karelia in October 1921, on November 6, Finnish volunteer units invaded the territory of Russia. By mid-February 1922, Soviet troops liberated the occupied territories; on March 21, an agreement on the inviolability of borders was signed.
      As the first Prime Minister of Finland, Svinhuvud, put it: "Any enemy of Russia should always be a friend of Finland."

      You still give the Swedes as an example, they were so belligerent.
      They wanted, they said, they thought --- in 1918,1920 !!!!
      that you get on me chase
      In 1932, the USSR and Finland signed the Nonaggression Treatyand. In 1934 this contract was renewed for 10 years.

      In 1939, the USSR attacked Finland.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 15 January 2018 22: 54
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        it doesn’t matter to you, speaking in your moronic language, this is history. You claimed that the Finns were offended. And I proved to you that these are wolves in the shoes of a lamb. And what preceded 1939 is not interesting for you, the main thing is to poke
        1. karish
          karish 15 January 2018 22: 56
          +1
          Quote: Overlock
          it doesn’t matter to you, speaking in your moronic language, this is history. You claimed that the Finns were offended. And I proved to you that these are wolves in the shoes of a lamb.

          We will return to the wolf in sheep's clothing after the next comment
          Quote: Overlock
          . And what preceded 1939 is not interesting for you, the main thing is to poke

          You stink, and I quote
          In 1932, the USSR and Finland signed the Nonaggression Treaty. In 1934 this contract was renewed on 10 years.

          Wolves speak? In sheep's clothing.
  47. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 14
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    Quote: karish
    Yes, it will be difficult for a second country to forget

    Yes, and it will be problematic for us to forget THIS

    or are Jewish children better than Russian or Ukrainian?
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 21: 23
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      or are Jewish children better than Russian or Ukrainian?

      All children are wonderful and do not deserve what is happening with them in the Donbass.
      By the way, I would recommend you (as is done in normal countries) - do not show corpses without at least retouching faces, and even more so corpses of children.
      Do you not think that their relative might accidentally appear on the site and putting their corpses on public display will you cause a person trauma?
      Think about it at your leisure.
      So in the rest of it - I’ll say my opinion again --- they would not have come THERE to Donbass (or rather Girkin and KO - at first) --- there would have been nothing of this in Donbass.
      It would be a difficult and difficult life (as everywhere else in Ukraine), but no one would kill anyone.
      And so people in Donetsk are the same as in Grozny or Chechnya at one time.
      The feds are storming, the separatists are defending - civilians are dying.
      And the whole problem is in the SEPARATISTS request
      Where they are not there, people are not killed.
  48. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 17
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    Quote: karish
    Reminds Finnish - there the Finns also suddenly turned into white-finns.

    US military attache Colonel F. Feymonville (1937): “The most pressing military problem of the Soviet Union is the preparation for repelling the simultaneous attack of Japan in the East and Germany together with Finland in the West”.
    In your opinion, we kissed the gums with the Finns
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 21: 36
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      US military attache Colonel F. Feymonville (1937): "The most pressing military problem of the Soviet Union is the preparation to repel the simultaneous attack of Japan in the East and Germany together with Finland in the West."
      In your opinion, we kissed the gums with the Finns

      Is that what Americans said?
      What are you saying?
      Soviet-Finnish war 1939-1940 (Soviet-Finnish War, Fin. Talvisota - Winter War [9], Swedish. Vinterkriget) - the war between the USSR and Finland from November 30, 1939 to March 13, 1940

      German-Soviet trade agreement on August 19, 1939 (aka credit [1], trade-credit [2] agreement) is an economic agreement between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany signed on August 19, 1939 in Berlin. The German side proposed as the first step in the improvement of Soviet-German relations [3], its conclusion was a precondition for the Soviet side during the negotiations in the summer of 1939, which subsequently led to the signing of a non-aggression treaty between the USSR and Germany (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact). [

      Learn the story.
      By signing a trade agreement with Germany (thereby neutralizing its assistance to Finland), the USSR calmly attacked it, accusing it
      On November 26, 1939, the government of the USSR sent a note of protest to the government of Finland over the shelling, which, according to the statement of the Soviet side, was carried out from Finnish territory. The responsibility for the outbreak of hostilities by the Soviet side was completely vested in Finland.

      Finland answer
      In response, the Finnish government stated that, according to observations of Finnish sound meter posts, seven shots were fired at around 16:00 from the Soviet side from a distance of about one and a half to two kilometers southeast of the site of the shells rupture. It was also indicated that the Finns on the border simply did not have artillery, especially long-range. The Finns proposed the creation of a joint commission to investigate the incident and begin negotiations on a mutual withdrawal of troops from the border. The proposal was rejected by the Soviet side

      Naive laughingWho will listen to them? laughing
      Learn the story hi
  49. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 28
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Ukrainians were trained in Russian for 25+ years.

    why explain to a Jew, he teased from the USSR and thought that everything was Soviet in our country. How did he know. that in the 91st, when taking the Ukrainian military oath, ONLY ONE question was asked: "will you fight with Russia?". If yes, they are already a military crest.
    T. Apakidze recalls: the head of the Center, Colonel Bakulin Gennady Georgievich, invited me and said: “Timur, there is one circumstance that you must know. Each officer — from the regiment commander and above — must answer an interview when he is appointed to the post on one difficult question: will you fight with Russia or will you not, if the interests of Ukraine require it?”…
    This is not me, it is said OH
  50. Overlock
    Overlock 15 January 2018 21: 32
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    Quote: karish
    Quote: Vlad.by
    Or were German intelligence schools and special units not behind this line?

    nonsense .

    German designers designed a submarine for the Finns. Finland supplied Berlin nickel and copper, receiving 20-mm anti-aircraft guns, planned to buy combat aircraft. In 1939, a German intelligence and counterintelligence center was established in Finland, its main task was intelligence work against the Soviet Union. The center collected information about the Baltic Fleet, the Leningrad Military District, and the Leningrad industry. Finnish intelligence worked closely with the Abwehr. During the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940, the blue swastika became an identification mark of the Finnish Air Force.

    By the beginning of 1939, with the help of German specialists in Finland, a network of military airfields was built, which could take on 10 times more aircraft than the Finnish Air Force had.
    This submarine is still located in Helsinki, more precisely in Sveaborg. Personally climbed on it
    1. karish
      karish 15 January 2018 21: 49
      +1
      Quote: Overlock
      German designers designed a submarine for the Finns. Finland supplied Berlin nickel and copper, receiving 20-mm anti-aircraft guns, planned to buy combat aircraft

      Do you want me to tell you what Germany designed for the USSR, in which centers the Wehrmacht officers were trained, namely tank and Luftwaffe.
      Do you want to know how many weapons and technologies the USSR purchased from Germany
      Do you want to know how much the USSR supplied food and natural resources to Germany?
      Finland didn’t stand near here.
      And by the way, the question is, why did Finland not have the right to trade with Germany? The USSR traded in full.

      Quote: Overlock
      . In 1939, a German intelligence and counterintelligence center was established in Finland, its main task was intelligence work against the Soviet Union

      And? What are you trying to say ? Intelligence centers have always and everywhere existed and still exist - well, let's begin to declare war on all neighbors.
      Quote: Overlock
      . Finnish intelligence worked closely with the Abwehr.

      And? In 1939, the Krast Army along with the Wehrmacht participated in a joint parade.


      Quote: Overlock
      During the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940, the blue swastika became an identification mark of the Finnish Air Force.

      so that’s the problem --- the blue swastika during the war yes
      The essential reason, if there wouldn’t be a war, would there be a blue swastika? wink
      Quote: Overlock
      By the beginning of 1939, with the help of German experts, a network of military airfields was built in Finland,

      Well, of course, who could the Finns still ask for specialists? She didn’t have an army as such, but here at her side was a friendly neighbor, practically a conductor of world peace.
      Quote: Overlock
      which could take 10 times more planes than the Finnish Air Force had.

      which could be a significant reason.
      So how is it ? Adopted in the Great Patriotic War? Did the Germans bomb from Finland?
      Quote: Overlock
      This submarine is still located in Helsinki, more precisely in Sveaborg. Personally climbed on it

      So what about the war?
      Finns are to blame wink
      Of course, they also had a submarine laughing
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 15 January 2018 22: 17
        +1
        It’s cool when a Jew stands on the Reich’s defense and throws out the hunched and refuted liberals' stamps from the “holy” nineties all hundreds of times)))
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 15 January 2018 22: 55
          0
          Yes, such Heil Jews shouted.
      2. Pissarro
        Pissarro 15 January 2018 22: 55
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        So how is it ? Adopted in the Great Patriotic War? Did the Germans bomb from Finland?

        Murmansk Third after Stalingrad and Coventry city, on which the most bombs were dropped. The defense of Murmansk lasted forty months. In fact, the Finns had nothing to do with it, the Fritzes probably didn’t act from their territory)

        And the monstrous famine in Leningrad is a consequence of the joint German-Finnish blockade.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 15 January 2018 23: 01
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro

          So how is it ? Adopted in the Great Patriotic War? Did the Germans bomb from Finland?

          Murmansk Third after Stalingrad and Coventry city, on which the most bombs were dropped. The defense of Murmansk lasted forty months. In fact, the Finns had nothing to do with it, the Fritzes probably didn’t act from their territory)

          And the monstrous famine in Leningrad is a consequence of the joint German-Finnish blockade.



          you are not very friendly with maps ...
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 15 January 2018 23: 08
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            Use pre-war maps, Russia and Norway do not border on them, and Finland goes to the Barents Sea. After the war, they squeezed the area
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 15 January 2018 23: 16
              +1
              Nda..problems not only with geography ... EMNIP, England and the USA did not have a common border with Germany .... I wonder how they threshed the Reich with bombers for 3 years ....
              1. Pissarro
                Pissarro 16 January 2018 06: 19
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                Comrade, look at the map and don’t bring any bullshit. And also Read about the defense of the Arctic. The headquarters of the German army Lapland was then in the Finnish city of Pestamo. That is, from Finnish territory the Germans acted against us, which the Israeli comrade vehemently denies, drawing them fluffy and white
        2. karish
          karish 15 January 2018 23: 02
          +1
          Quote: Pissarro
          Murmansk Third after Stalingrad and Coventry city, on which the most bombs were dropped. The defense of Murmansk lasted forty months. In fact, the Finns had nothing to do with it, the Fritzes probably didn’t act from their territory)
          And the monstrous famine in Leningrad is a consequence of the joint German-Finnish blockade.

          no, of course, relying on your logic, the Finns should forgive the aggression against them (not provoked by anything), thousands of dead, loss of territory, tens of thousands of deportees?
          Do you justify the aggression of the USSR against Finland (1939) by the behavior of Finland in WWII?
          You will remember what was primary and what was secondary.
          1. Pissarro
            Pissarro 15 January 2018 23: 11
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            The primary threat was the country's second-largest city, a key industrial and scientific center, and a naval base. The rest is lyrics.
            1. karish
              karish 15 January 2018 23: 17
              +1
              Quote: Pissarro
              The primary threat was the country's second-largest city, a key industrial and scientific center, and a naval base. The rest is lyrics.

              A non-aggression pact was signed and extended.
              Everything else is lyrics.
              Namely, the question, what are the actions of the USSR called from the point of view of international law?
              answer yourself?
              1. Pissarro
                Pissarro 16 January 2018 06: 10
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                Notice, the USSR denounced the treaty before the war. As with Japan, it’s treacherous to attack this style of the West
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 15 January 2018 23: 04
        +1
        awful how! And Soviet pilots bombed Helsinki. Write to your asset.
        Having communicated with you, I nevertheless agree with the line of the CPSU Central Committee. But it was better to teach the Arabs.
        1. karish
          karish 15 January 2018 23: 19
          +1
          Quote: Overlock
          Having communicated with you, I nevertheless agree with the line of the CPSU Central Committee.

          There were also half of the Jews (explicit or hidden)
          Quote: Overlock
          But it was better to teach the Arabs.

          Well, this did not work out.
          The teachers were bad, and the students were even worse.