Putin compared communism with Christianity, and Lenin’s mausoleum with the repository of the relics of saints.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin compared communism with Christianity, and Vladimir Lenin’s mausoleum with honoring the relics of saints, reports RIA News.





Maybe I will say something now that someone might not like, but I will say it the way I think. Firstly, faith always accompanied us, it strengthened when our country, our people were especially hard. There were such very tough godless years when they destroyed the priests, destroyed the temples. But at the same time creating a new religion. Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - this is all laid down in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it's just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, nothing new was invented,
Putin said in an interview for the film “Valaam”, an excerpt of which was shown on the Russia 1 channel.

He compared the attitude of the communists to Lenin with the veneration of saints in Christianity.

Look, Lenin was placed in the mausoleum. How does this differ from the relics of the saints for the Orthodox, but simply for Christians? When they say to me that there is no, there is no such tradition in Christianity, well, no, go to Athos, look, there are holy relics there, and here too there are holy relics,
said the Russian leader.

In fact, the new government did not invent anything new, it simply adapted to its ideology what humanity had long invented,
Putin added.
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  1. +15
    14 January 2018 15: 48
    Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.
    1. +43
      14 January 2018 15: 51
      Maybe preparing to lie down next to the "saint."
      1. +42
        14 January 2018 15: 54
        The elections are soon, you need to win over the elderly electorate, you don’t have any money in retirement. And here we are talking about burying Lenin.
        1. +26
          14 January 2018 16: 09
          Quote: Teberii
          money is not retired.

          Pinocchio shake and how Vysotsky sang

          The crowd gasps in unison:
          "Shake your legs
          - You look - it will ring!
          1. +12
            14 January 2018 16: 18
            Looking Petrovich
            Maybe preparing to lie down next to the "saint."

            About N.S. Khrushchev also said exactly the same thing to the people - that Nikita allegedly “frees up a place in the mausoleum near Lenin,” when Stalin’s corpse was taken out of the Mausoleum and buried near the Kremlin after the provocative exposure of the “Stalin personality cult” from Khrushch himself.
            1. +43
              14 January 2018 17: 20
              Tatyana, maybe all the same a body, not a corpse? Corpses without a refrigerator do not lie for a long time. Yes and no good to say this in relation to the Generalissimo.
              1. +21
                14 January 2018 17: 33
                From the fact that the corpse is embalmed, it does not cease to be a corpse. By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.
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                  1. +9
                    14 January 2018 18: 52
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    That's it, they will bow to the pieces of dead people - necrophilia.

                    Try to say this to the Orthodox. In an instant, a storm and a hurricane of screams rise.
                    1. +1
                      15 January 2018 08: 54
                      Quote: albert
                      Try to say this to the Orthodox. In an instant, a storm and a hurricane of screams rise.

                      It’s time for the Orthodox to reconsider some of their rites, this is first.
                      Secondly - I criticize my own Faith, I'm sorry for such an expression, to pump up how representatives of other religions are perverted.
                      Thirdly, I said this to the Orthodox.
                      1. +5
                        15 January 2018 09: 09
                        I will say even more, I was given a warning for the fact that I equated the use of particles of dead people with necrophilia (maybe necromancy?), But what should I call this action if it is so?
                        In my opinion, the moderator maliciously violated the rules of the site by taking sides in the dispute and using an administrative resource for this.
                2. +12
                  14 January 2018 18: 01
                  By today's standards, people are burned alive in an iron cage and roasted in an electric chair. Well, at least the guillotine was canceled.
                  1. +14
                    14 January 2018 18: 08
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    That's it, they will bow to the pieces of dead people - necrophilia.

                    ... this is not the point ... the pharaohs were also embalmed ... and revered them ... the essence of the words of the GDP is simple and unpretentious that so many knew ... The communist idea is a Christian rewritten in their own way faith - Orthodoxy:
                    - The kingdom of heaven - Communism and to each according to his needs
                    - Righteousness - To each according to his deeds - Socialism ... that's just one thing, BUT ... they suggested we believe in the Idols ... Marx, Engels and Lenin and his Deputies in the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Politburo ... laughing
                    1. +5
                      15 January 2018 01: 53
                      Quote: Inok10
                      The communist idea is the Christian faith, rewritten in their own way - Orthodoxy:
                      - The kingdom of heaven - Communism and to each according to his needs

                      That is, if I understood correctly, starting in 1985, the remnants of Orthodoxy began to break down in the USSR in the form of the "Code of the Builder of Communism", implemented on this sinful land in the recent past, and in return they suggested to believe again in the supernatural and unattainable in this mortal world?
                      And I think that why since the days of "perestroika and glasnost" we simply divorced the darkness of sects like "Aum Shinrikyo", good uncles like Soros and painted folk nuggets, in the form of "psychics" Chumak, Kashpirovsky, June, Longo, etc. P. It turns out we are thus each to his own, but the true faith returned?
                  2. +2
                    14 January 2018 23: 08
                    The guillotine is nevertheless “more humane”, bang and you're done ...
                3. +11
                  14 January 2018 18: 05
                  It’s too early to rush to Lenin’s mausoleum on Red Square!
                  The matter of building a socialist system has not yet died out and it has its fans and its future. History develops in a spiral.
                  Do not figs in the country to initiate society and arrange a "civil war" over the removal of the "body" of Lenin from the Mausoleum! Khrushchev didn’t have to take Stalin himself out of the mausoleum, since he was put there.

                  1. +6
                    14 January 2018 18: 13
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    It’s too early to rush to Lenin’s mausoleum on Red Square!

                    ... who honors history ... doesn’t think of such a thing ... although the Communists didn’t bother with the monuments of Architecture and Churches ... a good indicator ... of the cultural level ... the attitude of the CPSU to the monuments to I.V. Stalin is especially revealing ... laughing
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    The matter of building a socialist system has not yet died out and it has its fans and its future. History develops in a spiral.

                    ... died ... together with I.V. Stalin, a graduate of the Spiritual School ...
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Do not figs in the country to initiate society and arrange a "civil war" over the removal of the "body" of Lenin from the Mausoleum!

                    ... but whoever speaks of this, only provocateurs and downs ...
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Khrushchev didn’t have to take Stalin himself out of the mausoleum, since he was put there.

                    ... it was not worth the Communists to act like that at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU ... well, you listen except Khrushchev and there were no one at the Congress, and who then voted ?! ... for the decisions of the congress ...
                    1. +19
                      14 January 2018 18: 35
                      Inok10
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Do not figs in the country to initiate society and arrange a "civil war" over the removal of the "body" of Lenin from the Mausoleum!

                      ... but whoever speaks of this, only provocateurs and downs ...
                      You might think that this topic is not raised by people like you!
                      After all, it’s like you, the GDP responded about the “relics” of the Saints so that you and the Russian Orthodox Church would not become very radical against worshiping the “holy” communists in the mausoleum ..

                      In the comments we will not solve this problem with you. We are not in power and we can only compare the historical results of the leadership of our country in different historical eras - for example, the contribution to the development of the country by Stalin in Soviet times and the contribution of the liberal - communist shifter - Yeltsin in post-Soviet times.
                      1. +10
                        14 January 2018 18: 51
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You might think that this topic is not raised by people like you!
                        After all, it’s like you, the GDP responded about the “relics” of the Saints so that you and the Russian Orthodox Church would not become very radical against worshiping the “holy” communists in the mausoleum ..

                        ... Thank you ... You showed the Intellectual level ... and now, in essence, both in deeds and in history ... Orthodoxy was, before the Communists, Orthodoxy was under the Communists and Orthodoxy was after the Communists ... but, the communists only tried use the foundations of the Orthodox faith in order to plant false idols, the dead Marx, Engels and Lenin and the Living - the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Politburo ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        for example, the contribution to the development of the country by Stalin in Soviet times and the contribution of the liberal - the communist changeling - Yeltsin in the post-Soviet era.

                        ... You are Communists — you took Stalin out of the mausoleum and debunked “unanimously” at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU, now you don’t need to pour water here, that it was like I wasn’t ... Yeltsin is yours — the Communist! and Gorbachev is also yours, a Communist ... go and deal with YOURSELF ... DO NOT DISTURB TO US LIVING! ...
                      2. +1
                        15 January 2018 09: 03
                        And why without continuing? Who was the receiver of Yeltsin ??
                    2. +12
                      14 January 2018 19: 13
                      Enoch
                      ... Stalin, you are Communists - you took out of the mausoleum and debunked "unanimously" at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU, now you don’t have to pour water here, which was like I wasn’t ...

                      Enoch! Labels "communists" on me and on everyone who thinks so, do not hang! Firstly, you did not hold a candle at my feet, as they say.
                      Secondly, I have never been a member of the Communist Party. I just at the university studied qualitatively philosophical disciplines and my teachers were talented and thinking!
                      So, in your polemic with our sophists, you don’t need to “shoot me” at your opposition.
                      I am telling you that this problem is complex and your attack on it in favor of the Russian Orthodox Church does not work in Russia's favor.
                      1. +10
                        14 January 2018 20: 27
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Enoch! Labels "communists" on me and on everyone who thinks so, do not hang!

                        ... well, for this, I can say that I’ve read your comments for several months ... there’s no doubt, now with the nomination of Mr. Grudinin, suddenly all the Communists put on masks ... this is a new strategy of the Communist Party, not to reflect, but to crap pretty well and not cleverly ... that's just what this comment of yours is worth, just yesterday:
                        I fully admit that this could be through our dependence on the IMF. The IMF, as a supranational instrument of the United States in the form of global money-lenders, may well absorb the Russian Federation - just like Ukraine. Just the amount of debt of the Russian Federation (any country) goes over time into a change in quality. At the same time, Harvard and Houston projects are in operation. Nobody has canceled them in the West.
                        ... in general, in your political orientation, it is difficult to make a mistake ... hi
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        You are at my feet, as they say, did not hold a candle.

                        ... uh ... don’t bring the Lord ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Secondly, I have never been a member of the Communist Party. I just at the university studied qualitatively philosophical disciplines and my teachers were talented and thinking!

                        ... I doubt, after your enthusiasm by Mr. Kasatonov ... illiteracy and idle talk ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        so that you do not need to “shoot back” from me in your polemic with your sophisms with your opposition.

                        ... the comments archive has not yet been canceled, what is written with a pen, can not be cut down with an ax ... not familiar? ...
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        I am telling you that this problem is complex and your attack on it in favor of the Russian Orthodox Church does not work in Russia's favor.

                        ... just for the benefit ... it is necessary to calculate the Wolves in sheep's clothing ...
                    3. +10
                      14 January 2018 20: 52
                      Enoch! And why did you decide that if you are an Orthodox believer, then with your political and ideological apparatus of the Russian Orthodox Church, you can claim the ultimate truth ?! Why are you intolerant of dissent ?!
                      Enoch
                      Yeltsin-this is yours-the Communist! and Gorbachev is also yours, a Communist ... go and deal with YOURSELF ... DO NOT DISTURB TO US LIVING! ...
                      Eva, where you, as a liberal, are radically drunk! You see: "DO NOT DISTURB TO US LIVING!" !!!
                      This is how civil wars begin!
                      1. +9
                        14 January 2018 22: 43
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Enoch! And why did you decide that if you are an Orthodox believer, then with your political and ideological apparatus of the Russian Orthodox Church, you can claim the ultimate truth ?!

                        ... Feel Good People ?! ... wording! ... You will meet them more than once ... in different combinations ... TOTALITARISM IN MORDOR! (RF) ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Why do you have such intolerance of dissent ?!

                        ... oh ... somewhere it was already about Not tolerance? ... ABOUT ! ... in Europe ! ... Tolerate Refugees and give them your Wives and your Children, Be Tolerant of their needs ... laughing
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        This is how civil wars begin!

                        ... DO NOT GET! ... INSTALL THE DUST TO SWALLOW! ... CHEAP PROVOCATORS ... laughing
                    4. +2
                      15 January 2018 04: 05
                      Inok10 ....... That's why I love smart people. After 60 years, everyone is smart.
                    5. +1
                      15 January 2018 13: 21
                      Quote: Inok10

                      ... it was not worth the Communists to act like that at the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU ... well, you listen except Khrushchev and there were no one at the Congress, and who then voted ?! ... for the decisions of the congress ...

                      First of all, dear, You need to know a little more.
                      1. The report of Khrushchev to the Congress was read to delegates the day after the closing of the Congress.
                      2. Not all delegates attended this report.
                      3. After the report, in violation of the regulations, the debate on the essence of the report was not opened.
                      4. In view of the lack of debate on the report, the Congress did not take any decisions on the report.
                  2. +5
                    14 January 2018 18: 57
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    Do not figs in the country to initiate society and arrange a "civil war" over the removal of the "body" of Lenin from the Mausoleum!

                    Casus belli belay ? If, due to the removal of Ilyich, someone is ready to shoot at a fellow, then yes, the world has gone mad.
                    1. +6
                      14 January 2018 22: 30
                      Quote: midivan
                      Enoch! And why did you decide that if you are an Orthodox believer, then with your political and ideological apparatus of the Russian Orthodox Church, you can claim the ultimate truth ?! Why are you intolerant of dissent ?!

                      And from there intolerance, that he is the same Christian as the stump of the archbishop. A person is simply hiding behind the name of a Christian, but look carefully at what he writes - this is an ideology completely alien to Christianity, rather some kind of sectarianism.
                      1. +11
                        14 January 2018 22: 59
                        Quote: Abracadabrus
                        And from there intolerance, that he is the same Christian as the stump of the archbishop. A person is simply hiding behind the name of a Christian, but look carefully at what he writes - this is an ideology completely alien to Christianity, rather some kind of sectarianism.

                        ... Man ... here The article is being discussed, and not my Personality ... go to the Person with Interlocutors and share your thoughts there ... Resource Rules IN, you accepted when registering ... be kind or don’t complain then ... laughing
                      2. +2
                        14 January 2018 23: 58
                        Inok10
                        Quote: Abracadabrus
                        And from there intolerance, that he is the same Christian as the stump of the archbishop. A person is simply hiding behind the name of a Christian, but look carefully at what he writes - this is an ideology completely alien to Christianity, rather some kind of sectarianism.
                        ... Man ... here the article is being discussed, not my Personality ... go to Lichka with Interlocutors and share your thoughts there ... VO Resource rules, you accepted when registering ... be kind or don’t complain then ...
                        Enoch! But you yourself are the first in your arguments to prove that you were allegedly right in the polemic, switched to "arguments for the individual" - to all "communists" indiscriminately!
                        In a scientifically sound polemic on this topic, "arguments to the person" in the form of sticking labels for dissenting users scientifically sound arguments are not! There is no confidence in your reasoning!
                        GDP correctly spoke about the mausoleum and Lenin! And it’s good that he did it before the presidential election in the Russian Federation. Namely. GDP honestly - with an open visor - outlined its position. This is better than sweating before the voters, who suddenly then declare that he allegedly deceived their expectations. And this applies to both believers and communists, as well as just sensible citizens of Russia.
                        Users, Monk, users stop in your Christian radicalism about the topic of the article - the topic of expressing GDP about the Lenin Mausoleum as a religious subject for the Communists - and you, as if allegedly "Orthodox", are even more "boiling" over your opponents. Yes, and threaten the user Abracadabrus about allegedly violating his site rules!
                        Well, this is not good! Wrong! And ugly of you!
                        Abracadabrus expressed his opinion on your point of view on the essence of the controversy to this article.
                      3. +5
                        15 January 2018 00: 23
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Well, this is not good! Wrong! And ugly of you!
                        Abracadabrus expressed his opinion on your point of view on the essence of the controversy to this article.

                        ... oh, is it? ... not pretty? and not right? ... on whose side, maybe on yours! .... He expressed Opinion on the Essence or on my Person? ... we read, the benefit is not difficult:
                        Quote: Abracadabrus
                        And from there intolerancethat he is a Christian like a stump archbishop. Person just hiding behind the name of a Christianbut look carefully at what he writes - this is an ideology completely alien to Christianity, rather some kind of sectarianism.
                        ... it's just rudeness! ... what is the conversation about ?! ... go Tanya, do not cry ... your ball will sink very
                        coming soon ...
                        P.S. .... and also for the Gifted! ... in VO the article is being discussed ... but not Opinions! ... Learn ...
                      4. +2
                        15 January 2018 01: 07
                        Alexey! Controversy as an exchange of views on the article exists because in the dispute and in the discussion of various points of view, truth is born. For this we are discussing in order to come to a consensus. It is necessary to rally the people, not to disconnect!
                        Correctness in the dispute must certainly be respected.
                        And you yourself wound up and brought others! Hence such results.

                        Alexey! You look at yourself! Well, what is it?
                        Enoch
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        This is how civil wars begin!
                        ... DO NOT GET! ... INSTALL THE DUST TO SWALLOW! ... CHEAP PROVOCATORS ...
                        Well, who is discussing this?
                    2. +1
                      15 January 2018 13: 31
                      Quote: midivan

                      Casus belly belay? If, due to the removal of Ilyich, someone is ready to shoot at a fellow, then yes, the world has gone mad.

                      And if the one who tolerates Ilyich knows that they can shoot and still endures, then how?
                  3. +3
                    14 January 2018 19: 24
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    It’s too early to rush to Lenin’s mausoleum on Red Square!

                    The mausoleum is a monument, it will not be demolished, but Ilyich’s corpse must be removed.
                    1. +9
                      14 January 2018 20: 17
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      It’s too early to rush to Lenin’s mausoleum on Red Square!

                      The mausoleum is a monument, it will not be demolished, but Ilyich’s corpse must be removed.
                      The liberal authorities of Russia will also demolish the mausoleum! You can not doubt it! This has already been talked about.
                      Russian liberoids will uproot the entire historical memory of the Soviet period of our country in the same way as it is done in Ukraine, the Baltic countries, Poland, etc.
                      It’s just that these countries are smaller than the Russian Federation and therefore there these liberal historical anti-Soviet processes are going faster. Well, much depends on the leader of the country in this regard.
                    2. +1
                      15 January 2018 13: 34
                      Quote: RUSS

                      The mausoleum is a monument, it will not be demolished, but Ilyich’s corpse must be removed.

                      And you immediately feel better. You will receive incredible spiritual satisfaction. And the economy will immediately work. AND ALL TROUBLES IN THE STATE WILL RESOLVE YOURSELF.
                4. +2
                  14 January 2018 18: 37
                  By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.

                  Is this a "run over" to the Russian Orthodox Church?
                  1. +4
                    14 January 2018 18: 46
                    Why not, although an atheist, but I share faith and church. Worshiping bones is an invention of priests.
                    1. +4
                      14 January 2018 18: 54
                      Quote: friend of animals
                      Why not, although an atheist, but I share faith and church. Worshiping bones is an invention of priests.
                      What kind of atheist are you if you share faith and church? You, as they say, according to your philosophical convictions, are just an eclectic, a person with erroneous, scientifically untenable logical constructions in your ideological thinking.
                      1. +3
                        14 January 2018 19: 12
                        What is the problem for you here? I’m not writing about my faith, but about the attitude towards believers and the church.
                      2. +2
                        14 January 2018 21: 26
                        friend of animals
                        What is the problem for you here? I’m not writing about my faith, but about the attitude towards believers and the church.
                        Yes, you just in that case inaccurately expressed!
                        Would write - I treat believers and church tolerantly! And so you have a semantic absurdity - a believer in the god "atheist".
                    2. +5
                      15 January 2018 01: 22
                      Quote: friend of beasts
                      Worship the bones - the invention of the priests

                      And the priests than you salted? And who do you think are priests in the church, if not priests of the Christian cult? Communism is also a cult, with its priests Putin correctly said, communism and Christianity are siblings. In terms of ideological influence on society, and the mechanisms are similar.
                5. +3
                  14 January 2018 20: 22
                  Quote: friend of beasts
                  From the fact that the corpse is embalmed, it does not cease to be a corpse. By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.
                  Yeah. Now they worship more Bitcoin, dollar, smartphone, etc. In my opinion, let people believe and worship what and anyone, if only they would not destroy each other and live humanly.
                  1. +2
                    15 January 2018 09: 24
                    Uh, nooo !! It won’t work out that way. All religions are invented for enslavement and war. We recall the baptism of Russia, the Crusades, the great cloud of covenants, in which the legs can be broken. All these so-called teachings lead mankind to the grave. It is sad to realize that most do not understand this.
                6. +1
                  14 January 2018 21: 03
                  To worship "relics" is not wild, but if a person has not yet been torn to pieces then wildly. Good logic.
                  Well, worshiping money is generally the same thing.
                7. +2
                  14 January 2018 23: 13
                  From one Jewish boy, no bones were left of mummies, but no! already 2000 years foreheads hurt ....
                8. +1
                  14 January 2018 23: 58
                  Quote: friend of beasts
                  By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.

                  148 article, insulting the feelings of believers ... lol
                  1. +2
                    15 January 2018 01: 48
                    Svist
                    Quote: friend of animals
                    By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.
                    148 article, insulting the feelings of believers ... lol
                    Why troll?

                    The State Duma of the Russian Federation has already raised the issue of the abuse by believers of expanding the scope of this article in Russia in order to expand the infringement of believers on the civil rights of atheists. Namely.
                    This article assumes application only to actions that offend believers in their field - i.e. in churches, during services, religious processions, etc. In civilian life - in the ideological secular field - this does not apply. Atheists also have a say. And then quite Orthodox atheists have already pinned the wall in the country and they are not given a chance to breathe, while, according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, Russia is still a secular state!
                9. 0
                  15 January 2018 01: 17
                  Quote: friend of beasts
                  By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.

                  What strongly civilized steel? Oh well.
                10. +2
                  15 January 2018 11: 19
                  Friend of animals. Yes, and what to honor the ancestors - they are corpses. And you don’t need a story - it’s already in the past. This is very Bolshevik-to destroy their history. ISIS overlooked Palmyra too, by your standards it’s not savagery, but an ennoblement of the territory.
                11. +1
                  15 January 2018 13: 25
                  And why should you worship, if not Lenin and the relics of saints in your opinion? An iPhone or an i-Droid? Everything is as it should, not savagery - but tradition.
            2. AUL
              +2
              14 January 2018 19: 45
              Quote: Tatiana
              About N.S. Khrushchev’s people also said exactly the same thing - that Nikita allegedly “frees up a place in the mausoleum near Lenin”,

              There was then a joke: The mausoleum tripled security. What for? And at night, Nikita breaks with a racadushka there!
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          1. +4
            14 January 2018 16: 14
            He is self-nominated, which means you need to be good for everyone.
            1. +6
              14 January 2018 18: 42
              By disclosing such information, the GDP will certainly not add to itself supporters either in the person of ardent admirers of Marxist ideology (not to be confused with the Bolshevik ideology), or in the face of adherents of the biblical concept. So he definitely won’t add points to himself in the election race. If he allows himself to announce this now, it means that the loss of a part of his points does not bother him now.

              But in essence, the following was presented to the Russian and any other thinking public. Religion is an ideology, communism is also an ideology. When, for the purposes of globalization, the elite was profitable to replace polytheism with monotheism, they planted fire and sword, including Christianity (ideology), including in Russia. But in Russia, this ideology mutated, acquiring the colors characteristic of the Russian spirit — justice, equality, fraternity, self-sacrifice for one’s own and through all this gaining freedom, having degenerated into Orthodoxy so hated by the West.

              In order to destroy the ideological (Orthodox) bonds of Russia again, the Marxist ideology, also fostered in the West, was called to help, and everything seemed to grow together, but again bad luck - the Bolsheviks came to power, the Trotskyists were pushed as far as they could, and the ideology mutated into Bolshevism, with those the same ideals as in Orthodoxy. Awl for soap turns out ..

              But there are also some other phenomena in these ideologies, which the president drew attention to. This is idolatry. To worship the bones of the dead, or other idols - objects of animate / inanimate nature is idolatry, i.e. that is what the prophets and Jesus and Muhammad opposed. And this phenomenon is inherent in both ideologies and communism and Christianity. This worship of idols and the dead has nothing to do with fellowship with God.
              1. 0
                15 January 2018 05: 48
                [/ quote] _man_ [quote]
                Respect. One of the few writers on the topic of the article, moreover, very competently.
          2. +25
            14 January 2018 16: 14
            This is some kind of quiet horror. To compare communism, where people are equal and free, and Christianity, which supported feudalism and the slave system throughout its existence, it is from God. It is just no words. fool
            1. +28
              14 January 2018 16: 36
              Quote: User
              This is some kind of quiet horror. To compare communism, where people are equal and free, and Christianity, which supported feudalism and the slave system throughout its existence, it is from God. It's just no words

              Christianity encourages a person to be a person, and not a beast when this condition is met, with any system you will be happy. But communism happened the same as with Christ, Judas betrayed him from among the apostles, only their name was legion
              1. +11
                14 January 2018 17: 22
                Quote: User
                This is some kind of quiet horror. To compare communism, where people are equal and free, and Christianity, which supported feudalism and the slave system throughout its existence, it is from God. It is just no words. fool


                Well, yes, under communism people are so even everything, the true truth.

                For example, a talented engineer, inventor are equal with the ordinary worker who is all fucked up,
                and party bonuses are equal to gods
                1. 0
                  15 January 2018 14: 49
                  Quote: bulvas

                  Well, yes, under communism people are so even everything, the true truth.

                  For example, a talented engineer, inventor are equal with the ordinary worker who is all fucked up,
                  and party bonuses are equal to gods

                  And why do you, dear, take for comparison a talented engineer, inventor and compare with a worker who is all fucked up? And I, in my lifetime, 43 years of working experience in one workshop and at the same factory, have seen enough of both engineers, whom it is a sin to call engineers, and working professionals, who do not care for everything. Yes, the Bolsheviks had a goal to make people equal, but not in yours, and not only in your understanding, but in equal access to education, honey. assistance, the right to work, rest, equality before the law, etc. Ask any anti-communist are you against such equality? He will say no. So why are you anti-communist? Yes, because on TV for 20 years they say that comm. an idea is bad. Did all the Bolsheviks manage to do? No, not all. But the desire for this was. With the death of Stalin, everything gradually began to be perverted. Yes, Stalin did not have time. He did not have time to create a theory for the further construction of a just society, without which, as he himself said, "we will die." He perfectly understood that Marxism and Leninism had already exhausted themselves. But before the war he had no time - he built the USSR, then fought, then restored the country. When he was. So, before blaming communism, ask yourself the question - what do I dislike about the communist idea? Understanding that 100 years is unlikely to be enough to build such a society. Especially with such "communists" as Khrushchev.
              2. +7
                14 January 2018 17: 34
                Quote: Vadivak
                And the same thing happened with communism as with Christ; Judas among the apostles betrayed him


                They did not betray.
                They did not believe in communism, just as the smell of profit went unpunished, and they themselves rushed to break it first
                1. +6
                  14 January 2018 17: 42
                  Quote: bulvas
                  They did not betray.
                  They did not believe in communism, just as the smell of profit went unpunished, and they themselves rushed to break it first

                  Hello. Khrushchev believed, but he betrayed the dead lion of Stalin first, setting an example and a start was made
                  1. 0
                    14 January 2018 18: 22
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    Hello. Khrushchev believed, but he betrayed the dead lion of Stalin first, setting an example and a start was made


                    I doubt that someone believed
                    They had nowhere to go, would dare immediately
              3. +5
                14 January 2018 18: 01
                Quote: Vadivak
                Christianity encourages a person to be a person, and not a beast when this condition is met, with any system you will be happy.

                There are no annihilated peoples on the conscience of the communists.
                1. +4
                  14 January 2018 18: 19
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  There are no annihilated peoples on the conscience of the communists.


                  Only the Russian people are decreasing, and the country is becoming smaller as a result, and more enemies

                  Thanks exclusively to the Communists
                  In the first half of the century they reduced the population (before the Second World War), at the end of the century they still reduced and dispersed around the world
                  1. +4
                    14 January 2018 21: 40
                    bulvas
                    Only the Russian people are decreasing, and the country is becoming smaller as a result, and more enemies
                    Thanks exclusively to the Communists
                    In the first half of the century they reduced the population (before the Second World War), at the end of the century they still reduced and dispersed around the world

                    You do not confuse pro-Western Trotskyists with the Stalinists before the Second World War!
                    And at the end of the century, Khrushchev’s Trotskyists-shifters, just like Gorbachev, the EBN in the CCC / RF and the heads in the former nats, were just not finished by Stalin. Soviet republics, just came to power!
                    1. 0
                      14 January 2018 22: 03
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      You do not confuse pro-Western Trotskyists with the Stalinists before the Second World War! And at the end of the century, Khrushchev’s Trotskyists-shifters, just like Gorbachev, the EBN in the CCC / RF and the heads in the former nats, were just not finished by Stalin. Soviet republics, just come to power!


                      Tatyana, do not get excited



                      Who cares, it was all one party, starting with Lenin

                      The result is obvious - the party officials who seized power and management of all resources in the country, ruined and destroyed the country for their own gain - the appropriation of these resources

                      This is the true price of the Communist Party

                      And do not blame everything on a handful of those who were in sight

                      In every corner of the country, party officials and red directors appropriated everything they could reach.

                      Inhuman, guided only by the instinct for the survival of officials, disregard for people, lying and demagogic.

                      These are its main qualities and led to the next destruction of the country
                      1. +8
                        15 January 2018 00: 29
                        bulvas
                        Who cares, it was all one party, starting with Lenin
                        The difference is very big.
                        At first. Lenin died in the year 1924, and before that he was very ill.
                        Secondly. In the CPSU (b) and the CPSU historically there were 2 ideological trends: Trotskyism and Stalinism.
                        Trotskyists advocated simply for the world proletarian revolution, but in essence, advocated under the banner of the proletarian International for the transfer of Russia to foreign globalist government from outside.
                        Stalinists opposed the Trotskyist globalists - i.e. advocated precisely the preservation of the national sovereignty of Soviet Russia from the foreign government of the country from the outside. For the fact that socialism can be built in a single country, and not burn Russia to the needs of the whole world.
                        The Stalinists defeated the Trotskyists only in the 1937-38 years. Prior to this, the Trotskyists dominated the party in the country.
                        Hence the results of different years of Soviet power.
                      2. +1
                        15 January 2018 15: 04
                        Quote: bulvas
                        Who cares, it was all one party, starting with Lenin

                        In connection with your misunderstanding of the complex, I propose a simplified version.
                        There was a collective farm; the collective farm had a chairman, Ivanov. The collective farm did not crawl out of loans and was a burden. Farmers lived poorly. Then they elect Petrov as chairman. A year later, the collective farm paid off loans. Well, etc. Catch the difference? Only in the matter under discussion was the opposite. With the advent of Khrushchev, not only did the pace change, but, most importantly, the course changed.
              4. +6
                14 January 2018 18: 20
                good Very accurately noticed, in the top ten
                Christianity encourages a person to be a person, and not a beast when this condition is met, with any system you will be happy. But communism happened the same as with Christ, Judas betrayed him from among the apostles, only their name was legion

                Once more good
              5. SOF
                +3
                14 January 2018 20: 47
                ... well said!
              6. +1
                14 January 2018 21: 24
                Yes, there was no communism. The goal was to build a communist society. They built socialism, but everyone is far from communism ...
            2. +7
              14 January 2018 16: 45
              you confuse faith and religion, the problem is precisely that priests of certain faiths have usurped the mental images "faith", "believer", "non-believer". And so Christianity, and Islam, and atheism are all faiths, "faith is when you affirm something but cannot prove it, then you believe in your statement". Some argue that God exists but cannot prove it, others that he does not exist but also cannot prove it. So people who claim to have met with aliens are also believers. We are all believers, which of us did not spit three times over his shoulder? who didn't go around the black cat? Therefore, do not confuse faith and religion, the latter, along with faith, has other signs, in particular "sacred" places and "priests", as well as "sacred" books, candles, bottles, jars, pictures, figurines and all this can be bought . laughing And most importantly NO TAXES! laughing
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            4. +8
              14 January 2018 17: 38
              Equal and free like a herd of sheep in a stall. Just as the ideas of Christianity were perverted by the priests, so were the ideas of communism by bureaucrats and power lovers.
              1. +1
                14 January 2018 17: 55
                Equal and free like a herd of sheep in a stall.

                Let me find out where such knowledge, or personal memories come from?
                1. +1
                  14 January 2018 18: 09
                  From history, even when the stall was demolished, the herd remained in place.
                  1. +2
                    14 January 2018 18: 36
                    Well, dear history researcher, you don’t need to speak so indiscriminately for everyone, declaring their farm knowledge. If you do not breathe evenly to the past period of the history of our country, this does not at all give you the right to indirectly call herds living earlier. They don’t hint at you that personal bitterness probably comes from the fact that when something was pinched. So, do your household and don’t worry so much. What happened is gone ..
                    1. +1
                      14 January 2018 19: 08
                      Because communism is utopian, and therefore a herd of sheep under the wise leadership of the leader. The ideological communists were destroyed by Stalin and replaced by bureaucrats, and the population was finally disappointed in the ideas of communism during the reign of Brezhnev. Total at the time of perestroika, almost no one spoke on the side of the Communists. Unfortunately, the following years did not give relief, and people embellish the past. This is used by various political forces. So it is not far from Orthodox communism.
                      1. +2
                        15 January 2018 11: 54
                        Quote: friend of animals
                        Because communism is utopian, and therefore a herd of sheep under the wise leadership of the leader. The ideological communists were destroyed by Stalin and replaced by bureaucrats, and the population was finally disappointed in the ideas of communism during the reign of Brezhnev. Total at the time of perestroika, almost no one spoke on the side of the Communists. Unfortunately, the following years did not give relief, and people embellish the past. This is used by various political forces. So it is not far from Orthodox communism.

                        Tatiana lucidly explained to you that Stalin destroyed the Trotskyists, not ideological communists. So what in your head has such liberal porridge still remained? The bureaucracy began to prosper and prosper again after the death of Stalin under Khrushchev, for which Khrushchev arranged for this coup d'etat and the assassination of Stalin, that he himself was a Trotskyist and his failure was approaching if he (with the help of Western agents) could not have killed Stalin and his close associates.
                        Communism is not a utopia, it is an ideal society that could very well be built in the USSR, we went to this very quickly and successfully, despite the strong weakening of the country by the war against Germany and the machinations of the Trotskyists. Such a successful society, some had a bone in their throat, and some of those who invested 40 years of life and astronomical amounts into discrediting such a society.
              2. 0
                15 January 2018 02: 21
                Hello. And why did you decide that you figured this out?) I'm just wondering. What ideas do we have in Christianity ... and how the PRISONS perverted them !!! Can you read more?
            5. +5
              14 January 2018 17: 49
              Yes, in communism it wasn’t such that the lines stood to kiss the remains of a corpse (which are relics). Yes, and slaves were not appointed ..
              1. +3
                14 January 2018 17: 57
                Quote: Stas Snezhin
                Yes, and slaves were not appointed ..


                Slave means worker. God's servant means working for God.
                It was uninteresting for the masters to work, and this category of the human race was despised by them, and the abbreviated slave appeared.
            6. +5
              14 January 2018 19: 15
              The GDP, in its presentation of the vision of the situation, touched upon the deeper meanings of the processes and phenomena that are going on / running in society. See my comment above.

              And everyone already interprets this information to the best of their morality and intellectual capabilities.
            7. 0
              14 January 2018 23: 16
              But I wonder if PutinCenter YeltsinCenter will overshadow?
          3. +4
            14 January 2018 16: 44
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: Teberii
            The elections are soon, you need to get the elderly electorate to yourself, you don’t have money on pension.

            And why should he? A new pointer came out: laughing
            Lovers of "breast" please do not get excited! lol

            laughing Neighing, thanks.
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              2. +4
                14 January 2018 17: 43
                Quote: sabakina
                Horse what


                Rather a horse
                1. 0
                  15 January 2018 09: 43
                  More precisely, the stallion wink Envy is generally a bad feeling.
          4. +5
            14 January 2018 17: 48
            Russian authorities should keep their people in a state of constant amazement.
            M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin
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        4. +1
          15 January 2018 05: 49
          Quote: Teberii
          The elections are soon, you need to win over the elderly electorate, you don’t have any money in retirement. And here we are talking about burying Lenin.

          Elections will be held, and the words printed and captured ---- will remain. And this is good, because it is necessary to shut up the nastiness and ridicule of the USSR and the Communists ----- these are all the achievements of the Soviet people, due to their country and preserved despite the betrayal of the 90s
      2. +7
        14 January 2018 16: 05
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        Maybe preparing to lie down next to the "saint."

        Yeah, in the ebncenter the place is prepared ... under a pot of ash
      3. +10
        14 January 2018 16: 25
        The elections are coming soon, but this is not the case.
      4. 0
        15 January 2018 18: 20
        Quote: Looking Petrovich
        Maybe preparing to lie down next to the "saint."


        Your comment made my day, as they say in the spiritless West :))
    2. +8
      14 January 2018 15: 53
      Quote: Altona
      He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.

      Uh ... Dear, easier .... right now all the believers tensed
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      2. +6
        14 January 2018 16: 06
        Quote: Chertt
        Uh ... Dear, easier .... right now all the believers tensed


        They didn’t strain anything. Read the scripture.
        Being
        1:26. And God said: Let us make man in the image
        Our [and] in our likeness, and may they rule
        they are above the fish of the sea, and above the birds of the air,
        [and over the beasts,] and over the cattle, and over the whole earth,
        1. +3
          14 January 2018 19: 30
          "The Lord said: Let us make man in our image and in our likeness (Genesis 1, 26), and then we read: And God created man in his own image, in the image of God He created him (Genesis 1, 27). About likeness already Nothing is said. There are two goals in the intention, and only one in the realization. Therefore, the common patristic thought agrees that the image is this givenness, the potential that each of us has. Similarity is the goal that we have to achieve. "

          This is so, information for consideration.
          1. 0
            15 January 2018 09: 23
            I understand that you are studying / interested in BER?
            1. +2
              27 January 2018 15: 29
              Good day! I apologize for the late response.
              Yes, you understand correctly. Plus, I try to share my thoughts / knowledge with my friends to the best of my ability.
        2. 0
          14 January 2018 23: 19
          Well, if you carefully read and count, then the women were created 2 (two) ... so I’m constantly tormented by doubts about where the second had gone after the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise ... There is an assumption that she also gave her brother, and it was Cain who found her in the mountains ...
    3. +11
      14 January 2018 15: 59
      nothing but

      never mind.
      1. +6
        14 January 2018 17: 28
        Quote: karish
        nothing but
        never mind.

        That's why it comes to mind, but to your head! wink
        1. +3
          14 January 2018 17: 51
          Is Sabakina in a bad mood? they called one horse, because he expressed one of the man’s reactions to humor on youth slang, another indicated that his thoughts came to his head and not to his mind, and that the mind was therefore not a derivative of the activity of the brain that is in the head, take a rest seagull do not spill your negativity on people. love
          1. +2
            14 January 2018 18: 06
            Well, apparently, your mood is even worse if you do not want to call me by name.
          2. +1
            14 January 2018 19: 29
            Quote: krops777
            Is Sabakina in a bad mood?

            "Dog" is a man laughing , I asked him why the nickname and avatar are like that, but he is silent laughing
            1. 0
              15 January 2018 04: 33
              Maksim, hi Vyacheslav is already tired of explaining to everyone. Those who know how to use the site can go to his comments and find the necessary information. Those who do not know how - they constantly ask.
    4. 0
      14 January 2018 16: 03
      Do you reason rightfully and from the position of a saint?
    5. +6
      14 January 2018 16: 08
      These, his rants are more like a desire to smooth out what has been said and done
      them in November 2017: a meeting with the "human rights defenders" Fedotov-Aleksey,
      the opening of an "incomprehensible" wall, a monument in Livadia to Alexander III, all without discussion,
      without polls .... in any case, it doesn’t seem like an apology .....
      1. +5
        14 January 2018 16: 44
        Quote: starogil
        These, his rants are more like a desire to smooth out what was said

        it is not a desire to smooth, but a desire to create something new.
        he had repeatedly said earlier that "there will be no return to the old" ... from a word in general ...
        but they are not going to revive the monarchy either.
        only it will turn out as always - "not ours not yours."
    6. +30
      14 January 2018 16: 14
      He does not discuss religious matters. He wants communism and the Soviet past. Because he has already been informed of the enormous popularity of Grudinin and the Communist Party. The Soviet past made him who he is. If Putin was born at that time, in the family that he was born (of workers), he would now be a gopnik some sort of simple worker. For what he managed to create for his rule is NOTHING! A form of state structure, as in Somalia or some other African country. There is no ideology, no prospects, no education, no medicine .. It is simpler to say that there is a handful of thieves, corruption that crushed all resources for itself and sheared the people like a black sheep. At the same time, this handful actively came up with its own, primitive ideology, which is based on patriotism, this is when the ideologists themselves and their children have citizenships of other countries, but at the same time they rub the population of Russia that everything (the West) is rotting .. and here in Russia everything blooms, “BREAKTHROUGH” and a little bit more and we will catch up and overtake ..
      1. +8
        14 January 2018 17: 19
        Svarog Today, 16:14 ↑ New
        He does not discuss religious matters. He wants communism and the Soviet past. Because he has already been informed of the frenzied popularity of Grudinin and the Communist Party.

        After 18 of March we learn about wild popularity laughing
        1. +13
          14 January 2018 17: 45
          Quote: kush62
          After 18 of March we learn about wild popularity

          No, well, they’ll draw him how it should be possible ... All my entourage are 72 people, everyone will vote for Grudinin.
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          2. +1
            14 January 2018 18: 32
            Svarog Today, 17:45 PM ↑
            No, well, they’ll draw him how it should be possible ... All my entourage are 72 people, everyone will vote for Grudinin.

            I would add, all 72 people sitting in the elected headquarters of Grudinin laughing
        2. +3
          14 January 2018 18: 57
          Quote: kush62
          After 18 of March we learn about wild popularity

          Ha, Saddam also had a rating of 93%. What, did it help him?
          1. +2
            14 January 2018 19: 08
            Russia is not Iraq and Putin is not Saddam - so that will help.
          2. +1
            14 January 2018 20: 22
            Quote: albert
            Saddam also had a rating of 93%

            He did not have nuclear weapons.
      2. +6
        14 January 2018 17: 32
        A bit of humor in the tape, GDP will soon tell and not so laughing
      3. +3
        14 January 2018 17: 41
        For communism, it was necessary to fight for the collapse of the union. And Grudinin is simply fresher than Zyuganov, but the Communist Party’s cause is still dead.
        1. +7
          14 January 2018 18: 23
          Quote: friend of animals
          For communism, it was necessary to fight for the collapse of the union. And Grudinin is simply fresher than Zyuganov, but the Communist Party’s cause is still dead.

          Why do you think so? In the United States, among young people, they conducted a survey on the subject of what state structure would you like to live with? 74% For socialism. So the ideas of socialism are very much alive ..
          1. 0
            14 January 2018 18: 40
            As they say, who in his youth was not a socialist, he does not have a heart. Socialism can be understood in different ways, they hardly plan to build communism.
      4. +1
        14 January 2018 18: 13
        The same topic in the PRC: under the guise of comedy, children of party functionaries have fun as heirs to Arab sheikhs! negative
        1. 0
          14 January 2018 19: 03
          And Zapashny didn’t speak yet
          about this ..? )))
      5. +3
        15 January 2018 00: 20
        Briefly about what really was announced GDP in this message - see my comment above.

        GDP has long proved everything to everyone, and not by demagogy, but by deed.
        Already at least for the fact that he managed to assemble a country that, due to the betrayal and licking of our political elites before the West, de facto ceased to exist (unless on paper this had yet to be recorded and the next show of the parade of sovereignty of a number of subjects of the Russian Federation had not yet taken place) , as well as the end of the civil war in the Caucasus, a monument can already be put in life.

        And about all the other achievements, I will say one thing - remember how Russia was treated in the world and how it was considered with her and her opinion in the late 90s and early 2000s and how it is now. No solutions can be implemented at the global level without our participation. Is it possible to spoil us with sanctions and all kinds of "independent" "investigations" of the IOC, but by and large it is all an attempt to influence the domestic political situation in Russia, and from this level to influence our accommodativeness in the foreign political arena.

        And even without taking into account the various purely positive dynamics of various "statistical" indicators, the above is the most obvious indicator of Russia's success in restoring its economic, military and political potential and gaining state sovereignty in the full sense of the word.

        Now, think for a moment, who are you going to bet on? At the Communist Party - a miserable legacy of the same "elite" party democracy, which, starting in 1953, surrendered the interests of our country, simultaneously pouring mud on comrade I.V. Stalin, and blaming all their sins on the dead man, and as a result, those who sold / sold our state and all compatriots for a ghostly opportunity to enter the elite of the West?
        The oligarch, who was put forward by this party in the person of the Communist Party? That is, you yourself are opposed to the "bunch of thieves", offer to support a representative of this very bunch, just because they showed you a cool marketing of the farm named after Lenin and put pressure on nostalgic notes about the alleged return to the bright past?
        For a person who doesn’t even have his own program, he simply "built in" under the Communist Party program. "Ready to subscribe to every word in it." Is that an independent manager? Do we need such a head of state?
        The one who was supported by Zyuganov, who lacked the courage and political will to lead the country after winning the 1996 election? When the population by a majority vote supported precisely the “representative” of the so-called “communist” ideology, having plenty to eat at the head of the “Yeltsin family”.
        The multimillionaire Zyuganov?

        And after that you will tell us about how badly you live in Russia and about our state system, supporting the promotion of these nouveau riche to the presidency?

        Look at least the transmission of Solovyov with Grudinin. With all my skepticism towards Solovyov’s program and to himself, he smeared Grudinin, the latter could not really answer the main question of who Grudinina is — an independent politician or a Cossack sent by a party democracy. However, no adequate answer was ever given to any of the questions asked, which clearly characterizes the quality of such a manager. Leasing land for the construction of shopping and entertainment centers is certainly a very complex type of business, in which only "very competent managers" can succeed in the territories adjacent to Moscow.

        I am not saying that other parties in our country are better than the Communist Party, unfortunately today everything that is written above about the Communist Party is fair to say about other parties, be it EdRo, LDPR, and all the rest.

        But, if you are genuinely not indifferent to the fate of Russia - take a little time, see for yourself the following quite informative issue:

        "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IobYsp-yJGA&t
        = 4623s. "

        And to 72 your friends show it for thought. Dig the information yourself, weigh everything, discuss critically, there is still time before the election.

        Grudinin is not even being pushed to these elections; he is being promoted to the next. Now this “comrade” is needed in order to put sticks in the wheels of Russia too rapidly rising from its knees with GDP at the head, and first of all, Grudinin’s nomination is aimed precisely at knocking out the most patriotic electorate who could support the incumbent president, making him uncompromising a figure for our indiscriminate "elite" and untie our hands for further personnel cleansing, consolidating current achievements and further development of Russia.
    7. +10
      14 January 2018 16: 21
      Quote: Altona
      Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters?


      And what does he not tell the truth? For us, Lenin was a shrine. And the Communists, with their shrine, acted as Christians did for centuries, copied cancer, crypt, etc. Only here, do not apply to these relics.
      1. +7
        14 January 2018 16: 54
        So what's the difference? Then they worshiped Lenin, now I cut down the foundation of all the foundations. There used to be a drummer of labor in honor, now a tradesman and speculator beautifully named a businessman. Lenin was made a mausoleum now for Yeltsin. And I give a guarantee that as soon as he dies, the same will come up with a warm offer to put him in the mausoleum as a lifelong lifter of Russians from their knees. Only he and no one else if not even here to read which.
        1. +6
          14 January 2018 17: 14
          Quote: sapporo1959
          Then they worshiped Lenin, now I am ruble

          Do you personally worship the ruble?
          1. +5
            14 January 2018 19: 19
            Well, as a Russian pensioner, I would be glad to bow to the ruble, but the government, while protecting me from these evil thoughts, amuses me mainly with upcoming imperialism, which, as it began to attack from the 17th year of the last century, is still coming, well and in the light of new trends, “how hard it is for the Ukrainians,” well, the victorious offensive of our army on the next accumulation of Assad’s enemies. Well, during breaks it’s the Olympics, the championships, or the stadiums at the cost of the latest American aircraft carriers ...
    8. +7
      14 January 2018 16: 28
      He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.


      we are all primitive copies of Christ and the more we merge into a “civilized Western society” the more we fall into primitivism.
      1. 0
        14 January 2018 23: 31
        But Cho, I apologize, before Christ, people, Cho ?, wasn’t it?
        1. 0
          15 January 2018 02: 29
          Hello Tambourine. Christ is the new Adam. So consider that after Adam this is the first perfect person. If Cho.)))
    9. +5
      14 January 2018 17: 50
      Quote: Altona
      Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.

      Putin used to compare communism with Christianity, I don’t know that now everyone is in a rage
      1. +2
        14 January 2018 18: 04
        Quote: RUSS
        Putin used to compare communism with Christianity, I don’t know that now everyone is in a rage

        Are the Communists offended? And I would be offended if I were a communist.
        1. +2
          14 January 2018 18: 14
          an amazing thing-a man asked to bury him next to his mother, and was put on display. almost a hundred years. I would be offended. And he would be interested if he knew in advance?
    10. +2
      14 January 2018 18: 32
      primitive copy of Christ.

      Judging by everything, you, too, are someone's primitive copy, you certainly do not reach Christ.
    11. dSK
      +1
      14 January 2018 20: 08
      There were such very tough atheistic years when destroyed priests, destroyed temples. But at the same time they created a new religion. Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it’s just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, they didn’t come up with anything new,

      There are no guarantees that the rabid militant atheists, the atheists, will not repeat, if they again seize power.
      1. dSK
        +1
        14 January 2018 20: 35
        Look, Lenin was placed in the mausoleum. How does this differ from the relics of the saints for the Orthodox, but simply for Christians? When they say to me that there is no, there is no such tradition in Christianity, well, no, go to Athos, look, there are holy relics there, and here too there are holy relics,

        The imperishable relics of the "saints of God" the Lord God keeps from destruction, and the body of Lenin without formalin and other chemicals, worms would be eaten in a month. They go to the mazolas like a museum, to gawk at the "relic", to the miraculous relics - in the hope of real help, healing. hi
        1. +2
          16 January 2018 09: 04
          The imperishable relics of the "saints of God" the Lord God keeps from destruction


          incorruptibility of relics is not a sign of their holiness. This is the official opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church.
          1. dSK
            0
            16 January 2018 13: 53
            Hello "rr"!
            Quote: lopvlad
            This is the official opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church.
            Flood. Where is the reference?
            1. +1
              18 January 2018 17: 26
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Мощи#Нетленность_мо
              cabbage

              At the initiative of the eastern patriarchs, the question of the imperishability of relics was the subject of discussion at the Great Moscow Cathedral [41] [44]. The Grand Moscow Cathedral adopted a decree saying [45] that if a person’s incorruptible body was found, then no one should honor this person as a saint without reliable evidence and conciliar determination; since the bodies of many people remain imperishable not from holiness, but because these people died under a bishop or priestly oath (curse); or remain incorrupt due to the fact that these people have committed crimes against the divine, sacred, rules and law. A man whose relics remain incorruptible can be revered as a saint only if this is determined by the Council of Bishops.
    12. +1
      15 January 2018 00: 59
      He decided to speculate on scientific communism. But, it seems, he did not attend these lectures.
      1. +1
        15 January 2018 18: 37
        Quote: iouris
        He decided to speculate on scientific communism. But, it seems, he did not attend these lectures.

        He generally skipped lectures at the University. With Arkasha Rottenberg steamed.
    13. +2
      15 January 2018 05: 27
      Quote: Altona
      Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.


      The elections are soon, and to ... sit down and eat a fish ... it is necessary to please the Communists and the monarchists and the opportunists ...
    14. +2
      15 January 2018 07: 59
      Primitive comparison. You still do not understand the essence of Christianity
  2. +5
    14 January 2018 15: 54
    Quote: Chertt
    Uh ... Dear, easier .... right now all the believers tensed

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    The site administration tensed rather. I specifically put them such a plug. They will punish me in the evening for such a thought crime. laughing laughing
    1. +3
      14 January 2018 15: 57
      With such stars, you can afford some liberties laughing
      1. +2
        14 January 2018 16: 05
        With such a flag, a lot of clever people open their mouths out of business, does Boris take an example?
  3. +14
    14 January 2018 15: 57
    Any government needs leverage to control the wards. The most effective, in addition to power, is ideological, and it does not matter what it is called. I agree with the GDP.
  4. +9
    14 January 2018 16: 01
    Putin compared communism with Christianity, and Lenin’s mausoleum with the repository of the relics of saints.
    And Putin himself with whom to compare? With the Antichrist belay feel
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      15 January 2018 18: 39
      Quote: Observer2014
      Putin compared communism with Christianity, and Lenin’s mausoleum with the repository of the relics of saints.
      And Putin himself with whom to compare? With the Antichrist belay feel

      No, not quite ... So, a vassal of the Western elites.
  5. +9
    14 January 2018 16: 02
    Caesarea is Caesarean, but God is God ... and there is no need to equalize ...
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 16: 41
      plus for the verses in the profile.
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  7. +5
    14 January 2018 16: 04
    I agree with the GDP, everything is intertwined and religion and politics, a good example is an official martyr recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church .... although opinions differ regarding him ...
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 16: 29
      Quote: anjey
      , a good example Nikolay || is an official martyr recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church.

      Not a Great Martyr - Glorify as a martyr in the host of new martyrs and confessors of the Russian Tsar's family: Emperor Nicholas II, Empress Alexandra, Tsarevich Alexy, Grand Dukes Olga, Tatiana, Mary and Anastasia ”
      But I don’t understand why the emperor if he denied
      1. +2
        14 January 2018 17: 06
        Quote: Vadivak
        But I don’t understand why the emperor if he denied

        How the former emperor tortured Nicholas II. And it was precisely for this that they killed that he was an emperor, and not for the fact that he renounced it.
        1. +2
          14 January 2018 17: 22
          Quote: Sergei Medvedev
          How the former emperor tortured Nicholas II.


          Tortured just as the former, and remembered as regal
        2. 0
          14 January 2018 19: 08
          And how did they torture Nicholas No. 2, let me clarify?
          1. 0
            15 January 2018 00: 17
            Quote: zoolu350
            And how did they torture Nicholas No. 2, let me clarify?

            There are many versions. Both official and others. According to the official, his whole family was killed before his eyes. All the children. This is not torture in your opinion? Think nothing special? Want to be in his place?
            1. 0
              15 January 2018 03: 35
              So, according to the recollections of the performers, they were simply eliminated all at once. This Russian Orthodox Church is ready to voice versions that they tortured him with fire and other things.
              1. 0
                15 January 2018 22: 30
                Quote: zoolu350
                So, according to the recollections of the performers, they were simply eliminated all at once. This Russian Orthodox Church is ready to voice versions that they tortured him with fire and other things.

                Well yes. Eliminate, this is not the same as killing. And which company do you belong to? Zulu shamanic tomtoms?
                1. 0
                  17 January 2018 06: 57
                  I am a specific babist, with experience. I am not a member of any closed joint stock company such as the Russian Orthodox Church, KTSV, IST, IShT, EII, I have my own IP on them.
                  1. 0
                    17 January 2018 08: 35
                    Quote: zoolu350
                    I am a specific babist, with experience. I am not a member of any closed joint stock company such as the Russian Orthodox Church, KTSV, IST, IShT, EII, I have my own IP on them.

                    Baptist? Clear. Network religion. Each village has its own shaman (preacher).
                    1. +1
                      17 January 2018 13: 01
                      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
                      Baptist? Clear. Network religion. Each village has its own shaman (preacher).

                      Not a Baptist, but a BAB TIST and powerful MEMBERS of our most righteous religion, there are millions.
      2. +1
        15 January 2018 02: 39
        The Romanovs were elected to the kingdom at the popular and omnipotent Zemsky Sobor, and legally they can be removed from the throne only in this way (no abdication in the presence of one and a half people is provided for by the procedure). So strictly speaking, the Romanovs are now the ruling dynasty in Russia.
        1. 0
          15 January 2018 03: 40
          Well, the decision of the Yekaterinburg Council on the liquidation of the family of the former emperor was confirmed by the corresponding directive from Moscow, so everything is legally correct. The Romanovs are now no one in Russia, no matter how the oligarchy of the Russian Federation puffed up.
        2. +2
          16 January 2018 09: 34
          and legally they can be removed from the throne only in this way


          and that the Bolsheviks forced Nicholas 2 to abdicate, or was the provisional government recognized by the legitimate West still? in favor of whom Nicholas 2 abdicated?
          After the one to whom Nicholas 2 transferred power, the monarchy also renounced in Russia ceased to exist and the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with it since they took power later toppling not the tsar but the interim government.

          Romanov-elected to the kingdom at the popular and omnipotent Zemsky Cathedral


          only the first ruler from the dynasty, and the rest, the ruling monarch himself appointed and transferred power to them personally by his decree, order, testament. So about the insignificance and illegality of the king’s signature and his right to transfer power, it is better not to transfer power.

          And legally, and even more so, in fact, the Bolsheviks did not execute the tsar by overthrowing them from the throne, but shot a simple representative of the nobility with their family.
    2. +11
      14 January 2018 16: 46
      great martyr
      What great martyr is he? Have few people been killed? Emperor Paul1 was betrayed and killed, but not a saint. Alexander 2, the Narodnaya Volya bombers blew up a bomb; And this one, like Judas, renounced and was immediately holy.
      Wait, Putin will serve another term and will make Yeltsin a hero-liberator.
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  8. +6
    14 January 2018 16: 04
    Quote: Observer2014
    And Putin himself with whom to compare? With the antichrest

    --------------------------
    I tweeted and wrote "he himself admitted that the Antichrist." In general, Putin speaks very stereotyped, as if he sometimes opens and quotes his notes on political training. Or Korotich reread magazine.
    1. +3
      14 January 2018 16: 47
      Korotich reread magazine.
      I’ve got it and repeats it.
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    4. 0
      15 January 2018 18: 41
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Observer2014
      And Putin himself with whom to compare? With the antichrest

      --------------------------
      I tweeted and wrote "he himself admitted that the Antichrist." In general, Putin speaks very stereotyped, as if he sometimes opens and quotes his notes on political training. Or Korotich reread magazine.


      Putin reads all his speeches from a piece of paper, the press service and speechwriters wrote them to him.
  9. +10
    14 January 2018 16: 08
    The pre-election chatter has begun
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  11. +3
    14 January 2018 16: 11
    In Christianity, indeed, there is no such tradition. Find in the Bible where Christ speaks of the need to worship the bones of dead people? Rather, it migrated from paganism; there are more such distortions in the church now than true Christianity. So Lenin is in the mausoleum of the same opera.
    1. +6
      14 January 2018 16: 54
      Quote: _Jack_
      In Christianity, indeed, there is no such tradition.

      The Fifth Carthage Cathedral decided that no temple should be built except on the relics of a martyr, who relied on under the altar. Finally, veneration of the holy relics was enshrined in the Seventh Ecumenical Council
      1. +1
        14 January 2018 19: 58
        And what do you think of all these "Carthaginian cathedrals"? A bunch of people gathered, often far from being righteous, and let's change the Bible in your own way, and one cathedral accepts some stupidity, cancels the next. It was from there that this re-initiation of Christianity went to the needs of the authorities, etc. etc. The only universally recognized source is the Bible. Nowhere is there such nonsense in it.
    2. +2
      14 January 2018 19: 11
      ALL religions need a fetish, even Islam, there is a Kaaba.
  12. +4
    14 January 2018 16: 12
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, what about the masses of shot monks who were destroyed as soon as the revolution of 17 years in the country began? Your comparison is wrong!
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 16: 40
      Quote: Herkulesich
      but what about the masses of shot monks who were destroyed as soon as the revolution of 17

      An ordinary religious war, in the spirit of a showdown by Catholics and Huguenots.
      1. +1
        14 January 2018 19: 17
        Somewhat more complicated, because the ideological level of consciousness is higher than the religious. At one time, Abrahamic religions, relying on church organization and systematic propaganda, suppressed pagan mythology, so this is a process of development of society.
        1. 0
          14 January 2018 20: 19
          Quote: zoolu350
          for the ideological level of consciousness is higher than the religious

          Human biology has remained unchanged for thousands of years, so all the complications, one way or another, are based on what happened before, adjusted for local specifics.
          1. 0
            14 January 2018 20: 23
            So all the same, human biology becomes more complicated, because hundreds of thousands of years ago, man was much more like a monkey, now I eat it.
            1. +2
              14 January 2018 20: 28
              Quote: zoolu350
              for hundreds of thousands of years ago, man was much more like a monkey

              I’m not sure that those who lived then can be attributed to our biological species.
    2. +3
      14 January 2018 16: 55
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Vladimir Vladimirovich, what about the masses of shot monks who were destroyed as soon as the revolution of 17 years in the country began? Your comparison is wrong!

      But what about the Inquisition?
      1. 0
        14 January 2018 23: 36
        Yes, yes ... in fact ... Until now, no one has answered the question; Giordano Bruno fuel or scientist?
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  14. +5
    14 January 2018 16: 17
    Something Uncle Vova got into the wrong topic:
    “Repay the Caesarean Caesarean and the God of God”
    and you will be judged according to your merits!
  15. +11
    14 January 2018 16: 18
    How many are red-flagged. Looks like they shot down Putin, just like in October 1917. Let the guys try, maybe if you win the chairman of the collective farm, your efforts will be counted. The assistant harvester corrected the country, let the chairman correct it now.
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    2. +4
      14 January 2018 16: 43
      Quote: captain
      The assistant harvester corrected the country,


      Judah he, and bury him, the best German of 1990 in the Nazi cemetery
    3. +6
      14 January 2018 17: 08
      Quote: captain
      How many red flag

      And, you, like a goby, rush at all red? Putin, it’s not like blue blood, either.
    4. +4
      14 January 2018 19: 23
      Well, if under the chairman of the collective farm of all the slaves of the Russian oligarchy, neovlasovites, boulokhrusty, adherents of KhPP and edolubov send to the uranium mines, the construction of the monorail to the Magadan and the Trans-Sakhalin tunnel, and the owners of the Fed and their slaves (Zionists (fascists) b) then let rule over health.
    5. 0
      14 January 2018 23: 37
      Well, Duc, along with Diman, they cut it on combines, if that ...
    6. +1
      15 January 2018 18: 43
      Quote: captain
      How many are red-flagged. Looks like they shot down Putin, just like in October 1917. Let the guys try, maybe if you win the chairman of the collective farm, your efforts will be counted. The assistant harvester corrected the country, let the chairman correct it now.

      Well, for 18 years now, Sobchak’s assistant has been in power, his loyal portfolio holder rules. What it led to, we all see well.
  16. +6
    14 January 2018 16: 18
    I express my opinion, and I fundamentally disagree with Putin's words! I don’t know who and why advised him to touch on this topic, but everything was done just wrong! The church has both faith and ideology, and Lenin, with his associates, denied and suppressed faith! The Bolsheviks, the only thing that had this ideology, and that is cannibalistic, in the beginning!
    1. +5
      14 January 2018 16: 25
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The church has both faith and ideology

      Ideology? What is the ideology?
      Quote: Herkulesich
      and Lenin with the environment denied and suppressed faith

      They just cultivated faith, only God they had their own.

      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Bolsheviks, the only thing that had this ideology, and that is cannibalistic, in the beginning!

      lol ideology?
      “I am a little girl, playing and singing. I didn’t see Stalin, but I love him. ”
      1. Maz
        +6
        14 January 2018 17: 56
        Religion has always been written by the power of the holding and the most educated layers for themselves and for themselves. The goal is power, the convenience of leadership, and the main causal sequence - like: God commanded, and a vision came to us, and a miracle happened and a causal relationship came .... The one that is being built not in the right place will come to mind in a very specific way. If we drive these things from a young age into the heads of youths, then we get a formed crowd of parishioners, for whom the dogmas of the church are higher than reasonable principles of behavior and laws. And not involved in the cult and the parish - worse than animals. Doesn’t resemble anything? The technology is worked out, it all depends on the content laid in the brain.
    2. +8
      14 January 2018 17: 35
      Quote: Herkulesich
      The Bolsheviks, the only thing that had this ideology, and that is cannibalistic, in the beginning!

      It is written under the "Bolshevik" flag. Do you feel like an ideological saboteur? wink
      1. 0
        14 January 2018 23: 04
        he caught on while reading the comment laughing
  17. +11
    14 January 2018 16: 22
    Quote: captain
    How many are red-flagged. Looks like they shot down Putin, just like in October 1917. Let the guys try, maybe if you win the chairman of the collective farm, your efforts will be counted. The assistant harvester corrected the country, let the chairman correct it now.

    ------------------------------
    For 18 years, probably something could have been done more than Krymnash and the people did not hurt. As for Grudinin, no one is deceived, Putin and Grudinin are from one bourgeois field of strawberries. And you, Mr. Rotmister, is it not time for a steamer to Istanbul? Or are you hoping to join the Volunteer Army?
    1. +9
      14 January 2018 16: 57
      Quote: Altona
      For 18 years, you could probably do something more than Krymnash

      Yes, for this alone the descendants will gratefully recall. Do you understand what Crimea is? What is territorial acquisition in general? The Chinese are building islands
      1. +2
        14 January 2018 18: 24
        Return through a national referendum and build the island, as the Chinese-difference you understand? smile
        PS .. I have never dill
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    3. 0
      15 January 2018 18: 45
      Quote: Altona

      For 18 years, probably something could have been done more than Krymnash and the people did not hurt. As for Grudinin, no one is deceived, Putin and Grudinin are from one bourgeois field of strawberries. And you, Mr. Rotmister, is it not time for a steamer to Istanbul? Or are you hoping to join the Volunteer Army?

      No, Mr. Rotmistr hopes to join EdRo, so he is trying ...
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    1. +2
      14 January 2018 16: 30
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: karish
      Ideology? What is the ideology?

      ----------------------------
      Oppochki, forerunners of all religions and even scientific communism have voiced their voices. Wallet, wallet! Which wallet? hi laughing laughing

      Get hungry on the topic, that is, what can I say?
  19. +2
    14 January 2018 16: 30
    Quote: Altona
    Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.

    And you look at yourself in the mirror - you will see your primitive copy of an intelligent person.
    1. +11
      14 January 2018 16: 42
      Quote: turbris
      And you look at yourself in the mirror - you will see your primitive copy of an intelligent person.

      That is, the cult of Putin’s personality has gone unnoticed for you? :))) Then ... it’s better not to look in the mirror at all. You won’t see anything good there.
  20. +4
    14 January 2018 16: 33
    Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there. And the code of the builder of communism? This is sublimation, it’s just such a primitive excerpt from the Bible, they didn’t come up with anything new

    A parallel that is extremely deceitful and offensive to communism. In communism, a lot of everything that was not in the bible There are no words, only interjections.
    Although, in fairness, here Putin only repeated the words of Zyuganov
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 16: 43
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      In communism, a lot of everything that was not in the bible

      Any ideology is in some way a religious cult and communism is no exception.
      1. +6
        14 January 2018 17: 40
        Quote: Dart2027
        and communism is no exception.

        I do not argue, but it does not follow from this that communism is a tracing-paper from Christianity.
        1. +1
          14 January 2018 18: 44
          Well, Putin did not say that. Here it’s different - all people have the same structure, so the basic methods of controlling them do not essentially change, and in this sense, Lenin’s mummification is indeed the creation of an object of worship.
    2. +6
      14 January 2018 17: 10
      On this occasion, at the time, none other than V.I. Lenin. In his article "Socialism and Religion". There is nothing to add.
      1. +4
        14 January 2018 17: 39
        Honestly, I, as a Christian, do not completely agree with this article, because I do not see insurmountable reasons why a Christian cannot be a communist. Of course, the ideas of communism are much wider than Christian ones, but if we take the very idea of ​​Christianity (and not how those in power used it), then there are probably no insurmountable contradictions with communism in it.
        1. +6
          14 January 2018 17: 53
          Andrey, frankly, this is not my topic, and I consider myself not entitled to argue on these issues. I do not want to seem like an amateur. But I remember the contrasts from school: on the one hand - “God's servant”, on the other - “we are not slaves, we are not slaves.” Although a little simplistic, but this is my position in life. That is how I was raised.
          I also do not think that the former member of the CPSU, Comrade Putin, V.V. so well versed in theology that he considers himself entitled to make statements on this subject.
          1. +5
            14 January 2018 18: 12
            Quote: Reserve officer
            But I remember the contrasts from school: on the one hand - “God's servant”, on the other - “we are not slaves, we are not slaves”

            The same thing, because I studied at a Soviet school. I just want to say that religion, including Christianity, is the same Kalashnikov assault rifle with which you can protect your homeland, or you can shoot innocent people. Moreover, many pre-revolutionary worshipers (they no longer had anything to do with God) were much closer to the second than to the first. A lot of people from those whom I knew and who managed to live at that time (but who had not been with us for a long time) believed in God, but the priesthood of those times did not carry over to the spirit.
            The sad thing is that today the Russian Orthodox Church is rapidly rolling there, and very many in it serve not God, but mammon. Although I personally know those who are quite the opposite. Then - let me take my leave! hi
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              15 January 2018 05: 14
              Andrey, my respect hi
              The same thing, because I studied at a Soviet school. I just want to say that religion, including Christianity, is the same Kalashnikov assault rifle with which you can protect your homeland, or you can shoot innocent people.
              good
              A little off topic, but from the same "opera". A look at a problem from the past.
      2. +2
        14 January 2018 17: 55
        Quote: Reserve officer
        On this occasion, at the time, none other than V.I. Lenin. In his article "Socialism and Religion".

        Interestingly, Vladimir Putin read this article? It seems like it should have been. But ... not sure wink
        But, the fact that most of the authors of the comments have not read is sure.
  21. +2
    14 January 2018 16: 34
    Quote: karish
    Get hungry on the topic, that is, what can I say?

    ---------------------------
    Did you say something on the topic?
  22. +8
    14 January 2018 16: 36
    Quote: turbris
    And you look at yourself in the mirror - you will see your primitive copy of an intelligent person.

    ---------------------------
    I do not make such "high-wise" statements to the press. Comparing incomparable things. Lenin was buried in the Mausoleum as the head of state, these are the honors shown to him. And not the "preservation of relics."
    1. 0
      14 January 2018 19: 34
      moreover, his opinion (testament) was not taken into account. The man is nothing, and our collective collective is everything.
  23. +5
    14 January 2018 16: 43
    Yeah! Before the elections, you’re still not getting up to speed.
  24. +13
    14 January 2018 16: 45
    Why don’t you say, but Lenin is the founder of a state whose legacy they are trying to trample, spit upon, and still use the fruits of this state and cannot possibly plunder ...
    Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there.
    ... And if so, what does modern Russia, according to the principles of Scripture, not build a state ...
  25. +6
    14 January 2018 17: 08
    Nothing new at all. But the guarantor started changing shoes a bit late.
  26. +6
    14 January 2018 17: 11
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: User
    This is some kind of quiet horror. To compare communism, where people are equal and free, and Christianity, which supported feudalism and the slave system throughout its existence, it is from God. It's just no words

    Christianity encourages a person to be a person, and not a beast when this condition is met, with any system you will be happy. But communism happened the same as with Christ, Judas betrayed him from among the apostles, only their name was legion

    Oh, how does it mean that good philanthropic affairs are attributed to the canons of Christianity? But the Jews repeat it, the Muslims, the Buddhists repeat it. It may be enough to engage in obscurantism and idolatry, and truly engage in caring for your neighbor, and not produce billionaires under beautiful phrases? 1% of wealthy Russians account for 71% of all personal assets. In the USA - 37%, in China - 32%, in Europe - 17%. The global average is 46%, i.e. our rich have exceeded the world figures by 1,6 times!
    1. +2
      14 January 2018 17: 27
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      .Maybe enough to engage in obscurantism and idolatry, and really take care of your neighbor, and not produce billionaires under beautiful phrases?

      Who are the billionaires? Tortured people in the name of Christ? Who are you talking about?
      1. +10
        14 January 2018 18: 40
        But there weren’t any other ideas tortured in the name of faith. Are the Communists, the Red Army non-partisan tortured no longer people? I’m talking about whom and the like. They offer a good alternative to us. You either believe in God or in communism, but he is still Christianity. The works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, heresy ?????????????????????
        1. +1
          14 January 2018 19: 46
          by the way, one of these, namely the second on the right, seems to be already dead.
  27. 0
    14 January 2018 17: 14
    Quote: Teberii
    The elections are soon, you need to win over the elderly electorate, you don’t have any money in retirement. And here we are talking about burying Lenin.

    There is pension money, you just have to shake the oligarchs and millionaires. But he will not shake himself. The mausoleum is a ziggurat that collects energy from visitors. Take a close look at its architecture.
  28. Maz
    +5
    14 January 2018 17: 24
    All religions built their Talmuds on the dreams and aspirations of the common people.
  29. +2
    14 January 2018 17: 44
    Quote: groks
    Nothing new at all. But the guarantor started changing shoes a bit late.

    ----------------------------
    86% rating did not have to draw yourself.
    1. 0
      15 January 2018 18: 49
      Quote: Altona

      86% rating did not have to draw yourself.

      As Igor Strelkov ironically remarked, if sociological "research" is carried out at the direction of APeshechka, then soon the number of Putin’s supporters will exceed the country's population :))
  30. +2
    14 January 2018 18: 00
    Quote: kush62
    Svarog Today, 16:14 ↑ New
    He does not discuss religious matters. He wants communism and the Soviet past. Because he has already been informed of the frenzied popularity of Grudinin and the Communist Party.

    After 18 of March we learn about wild popularity laughing


    Why wait? Once the people "strawberries" wanted, and even mad ...
    Get and see, to the root ...
    1. +9
      14 January 2018 18: 20
      Quote: cedar
      Why wait? Once the people "strawberries" wanted, and even mad ...
      Get and see, to the root ...

      And what is there to see? Do you know that even the state in our country keeps money in the USA? And Grudinin, in one of his interviews, long before the election, explained why he was doing this. We all who have money keep it over the hill, they don’t trust our banks .. So what's the point of seeing it? Do you understand that?
    2. +2
      15 January 2018 12: 17
      [quote = cedar] [quote = kush62] Svarog Today, 16: 14 ↑ New
      He does not discuss religious matters. He wants communism and the Soviet past. Because he has already been informed of the frenzied popularity of Grudinin and the Communist Party.

      After 18 of March we learn about wild popularity laughing[/ Quote]

      Why wait? Once the people "strawberries" wanted, and even mad ...
      Get and see, to the root ...
      And who would doubt that now dirt will pour from everywhere? They have all the media in their hands, funds from the state budget - Sing ditties, grandmother-hedgehog, Sing, don’t talk ...
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  32. +3
    14 January 2018 18: 11
    I liked the GDP icons from myself! winked
  33. +4
    14 January 2018 18: 19
    Let the GDP talk about the untouchables: Chubais, Medvedev, Smerdyukov, Vasilyeva and others like them! angry
  34. +2
    14 January 2018 18: 21
    There, they didn’t start to do the extension to the mausoleum yet ?? wassat
    1. 0
      15 January 2018 18: 51
      Quote: Sergeant71
      There, they didn’t start to do the extension to the mausoleum yet ?? wassat

      Why at all? Putin, as a halachic Jew, will be buried in the Jewish cemetery of St. Petersburg. They say that the land there has already been bought out and is being improved.
  35. 0
    14 January 2018 18: 22
    He still has to solve this problem. And like any sacred problem, the presence of Lenin in the Mausoleum and the cemetery near the Kremlin wall - it can split society ... So they try - to connect what happened - with the Christian tradition ... Perhaps this is the right approach
  36. +1
    14 January 2018 18: 23
    We choose the GDP and do not lose. He entered the age of wisdom at the level of King Solomon.
    1. +1
      14 January 2018 20: 06
      So he has a young wife. What kind of wisdom can it be?
    2. 0
      15 January 2018 18: 52
      Quote: k174un7
      We choose the GDP and do not lose. He entered the age of wisdom at the level of King Solomon.

      It’s not likely that Solomon is not remembered, but old Alzheimer ...))
  37. +3
    14 January 2018 18: 30
    Faith speak? Oh well. And how many wars were due to the fact that someone's religion is better?
    The development is driven not by a believer, limited by the canon of dogma-prohibitions, but by a doubter. If there weren’t Galileo, Bruno, Copernicus, Magellan and hundreds of others, they would still have lived under a torch on flat Earth. And so their work now allows worshipers to live in mansions, show tricks with the disappearance of objects and sneeze at everything from the window of a cool car
  38. +1
    14 January 2018 18: 35
    Evo how. Saint in Ziggurat
    Type in search engine
    1 How much and to whom Kaiser Germany allocated for the October Revolution
    2. Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution
  39. +5
    14 January 2018 18: 36
    . Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures
    Putin said.

    So this is only a plus for Christianity! I don’t see what he saw the problem?
    But he, in turn, would like to ask, and what is his ideology? Does anyone know this? Maybe the other way around: injustice, inequality, fraternity? This is very similar to reality, looking at what kind of abyss separates the snickering elite from the common people.
  40. +2
    14 January 2018 18: 37
    Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there.

    That's just it: "the devil is the monkey of God" - the anti-Christians - "communists" could only be sober-minded (especially brightly - with the mummy of Lenin am ) It is the persecution of Christianity that convinces the Red-bellied people of the devilish nature: since the Middle Ages there have been a lot of communist movements - and all under Christian slogans such as "when Adam plowed ..." - and only Marxist-Leninists am staged persecutions that are superior in scale to the Diocletians! And for what? There was no practical need for this; Fidel hi good For example, he never arranged persecution of the Church - and this did not stop him from building socialism, but rather the opposite!
    1. +1
      14 January 2018 23: 50
      Well .... Adam never plowed ... Even in Paradise, he lived with God in the bosom ... It was from abundance and idleness that he began to revolutionize, for which he received a kick ...
      1. 0
        15 January 2018 05: 30
        He would have continued to live, but his girlfriend got a hefty curious. She listened to the snake-tempter, shook the forbidden fruit, and both received a kick. wink What am I doing? Well yes! And mine is the same, an eye and an eye are needed, no matter what it spoils. lol
      2. 0
        15 January 2018 14: 01
        Quote: Ace of Diamonds
        Well well .... Adam never plowed ...

        And after the expulsion from paradise? Plowed, and how!
        Actually, I thought the phrase was too well known to quote in full: "When Adam plowed and Eve spun, who then was a nobleman?" This is the slogan of the English Lollards and the German "Black Gayer Detachment", the benefit of the rhyme spin / nobleman in both languages ​​coincides:
        When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman?
        Als Adam grub und Eva spann, wo war denn da der Edelmann?
  41. +3
    14 January 2018 18: 46
    Rather, communism is not Christianity but Islam resembles. Good and peaceful teaching)
    1. 0
      14 January 2018 19: 28
      thin. If you do not open the history textbook.
    2. +1
      14 January 2018 19: 49
      just believing it is normal. but bigotry is scary.
      1. 0
        14 January 2018 23: 50
        and not to believe, is even worse ...
  42. +1
    14 January 2018 18: 55
    Most commentators did not understand what Vladimir Putin said about the relics of the saints, the commandments in the Bible and the Gospel, and the theft of these commandments (primitively) by the Communists from the Holy Scriptures. To see V.Putin in the guise of "neither fish nor fowl" is beneficial to someone, and after all, the Russian people are inherent in culture, and not Western, but ours, Orthodox. But many who have noted here are sick of Christianity, give them the West, but with a colorful tinge.
    1. +3
      14 January 2018 19: 38
      Quote: Evgenijus
      Most commentators did not understand what Vladimir Putin said about the relics of the saints, the commandments in the Bible and the Gospel, and the theft of these commandments (primitively) by the Communists from the Holy Scriptures. To see V.Putin in the guise of "neither fish nor fowl" is beneficial to someone, and after all, the Russian people are inherent in culture, and not Western, but ours, Orthodox. But many who have noted here are sick of Christianity, give them the West, but with a colorful tinge.

      Political scientist Leonid Krutakov in a conversation with the FBA “Economics Today” noted that, despite the fact that 27 years have passed since the collapse of the Soviet system, our country continues to analyze this period of Russian history.

      “Actually, what Putin wanted to say here was what he said. Millennial traditions cannot be crossed out and eliminated in such a huge country as Russia, even within the framework of revolutionary events. This cannot be crossed out either from the heads of people or from those relationships that exist in society, ”Krutakov states.
      Cultural tradition cannot be taken and crossed out
      In fact, the president here voiced the well-known thesis that, despite the state turn of 1917, in practice, our country developed in the same cultural and political direction as before the events of the October Revolution.
      Moreover, all these Bolshevik undertakings quickly came to naught, and when Moscow, under the leadership of Joseph Stalin, began to restore the Russian state, the cultural and political elements that were banned in 1917 began to return to public and state life. Sometimes directly, and sometimes in camouflaged form.
  43. +8
    14 January 2018 18: 57
    Here is the hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and "hobbled" for the elections are coming soon.
    1. +1
      15 January 2018 18: 53
      Quote: zoolu350
      Here is the hired manager of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and "hobbled" for the elections are coming soon.

      He has such a job ....
  44. +2
    14 January 2018 19: 11
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I remember you wrote something about a plant that does something for farming ... and it doesn't work out very well.
    Question: and the rest of the plant’s employees, too ... dabble on Twitter?

    ------------------------------
    Factory employees produce products. Does Twitter bother you?
  45. +5
    14 January 2018 19: 13
    Quote: Vadivak
    Yes, for this alone the descendants will gratefully recall. Do you understand what Crimea is? What is territorial acquisition in general? The Chinese are building islands

    ---------------------------------
    I am comparing him with Stalin and the comparison is not in favor of Putin so far.
    1. +7
      14 January 2018 19: 18
      Quote: Altona
      I am comparing him with Stalin and the comparison is not in favor of Putin so far.

      Did you try to compare boots with cucumbers?
      Also very ... grateful occupation Yes
      1. +2
        14 January 2018 20: 24
        And who are your cucumber and shoes? Stalin or Putin?
  46. +1
    14 January 2018 19: 18
    Quote: sir_obs
    Judging by everything, you, too, are someone's primitive copy, you certainly do not reach Christ.

    ------------------------
    You stuck the word sir in your nickname. They wanted to reach the lord, or did they emphasize their own greatness with such an appeal?
  47. +3
    14 January 2018 19: 22
    The mausoleum of Napoleon, the mausoleum of President Grant, the mausoleum of the Taj Mahal, the necropolis in St. Sophia Cathedral, the burial in the Kivsko-Pechersk Lavra and others, etc.
    Mausoleums, tombs, barrows, pyramids ... Does anyone have any thoughts about the demolition of the Timur mausoleum in Samarkand?
  48. +3
    14 January 2018 19: 23
    Quote: allaykbar
    Altona, tell us what you have achieved in 17 years, after which the acquisition of several thousand square kilometers - causes you such skepticism


    I probably don’t know something. But if anything, I’m ready to start collecting signatures in your favor for the next election.

    Already looking forward to the length of your to-do list. I hope your case fit in one post. And there will be no need to do a separate topic on the new candidate.

    -----------------------------------------
    I have been working in industry for 17 years, and in a single-industry town, moreover, in the "depressed" region. Although he could "change consciousness" and frankly profit from human stupidity. I am a propagandist and reflect every spit in the direction of the USSR. I expose the hypocritical essence of the new masters of life and try to explain to people their stupidity and error.
    PS And why do you have the nickname "Allahu akbar" in Latin? Do you have such a specific green truth?
  49. +4
    14 January 2018 19: 23
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I remember you wrote something about a plant that does something for farming ... and it doesn't work out very well.
    Question: and the rest of the plant’s employees, too ... dabble on Twitter?

    ------------------------------
    Factory employees produce products. Does Twitter bother you?

    No.
    I am somewhat surprised (and amused) by the welder-blogger.
    Who later complains that the brother of the owner of the factory where he (the welder) works, "does not want to buy their products."
    Still slightly annoying is the peremptoryness with which this welder pronounces his, ahem, maxims here.
    Cognitive dissonance is, you see. wink
  50. +2
    14 January 2018 19: 25
    Quote: Evgenijus
    Most commentators did not understand what Vladimir Putin said about the relics of the saints, about the commandments in the Bible and the Gospel, and about the theft of these commandments (primitively) by the Communists from the Holy Scriptures.

    ------------------------------
    Most commentators already see who stole what from whom. Do not moralize here.
  51. +1
    14 January 2018 19: 26
    Quote: allaykbar
    You are just struggling very desperately. I did a very selfless act today. Wrote a lot of posts

    ----------------------------------------
    Rather, a few questions for our current guardian of bourgeois order.
  52. +1
    14 January 2018 19: 27
    Inok10,
    a communist is a communist. This is the word and the meaning, not the sound.
  53. +3
    14 January 2018 19: 32
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: cedar
    Why wait? Once the people "strawberries" wanted, and even mad ...
    Get and see, to the root ...

    And what is there to see? Do you know that even the state in our country keeps money in the USA? And Grudinin, in one of his interviews, long before the election, explained why he was doing this. We all who have money keep it over the hill, they don’t trust our banks .. So what's the point of seeing it? Do you understand that?


    Grudinin is yours, the banks are yours, the money is yours, the state is yours... What else do you need, gentlemen comrades...?
    Putin is the Leader of the National Liberation Movement because he knows for sure that the banks are not ours, the money is not ours, the state is not ours, the Constitution by which we live is not ours and the strawberry oligarch Grudinin is not ours... That’s why the arrogant Saxons are bringing down Putin because he is slow, but is faithfully winning back the sovereignty of the country and the ruble. It's clear?
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin
    1. +8
      14 January 2018 20: 06
      Quote: cedar
      Putin - Leader of the National Liberation Movement

      Are you sober
      Quote: cedar
      and the strawberry oligarch Grudinin is not ours...

      Which FORBES list is this oligarch on? Grudinin is to the real oligarchs who surround Putin, like to the moon. He does not fit the concept of an oligarch in more than one quality. There is no money - just a beggar compared to the billionaires of the Putin family. Merging with the authorities too!
      What is the real reason why you named Grudinin an oligarch?
      All the accusations that power manipulators are now throwing at their counterpart, Grudinin, can easily be brought against Putin’s circle, but not against the director of State Farm!
      1. +4
        14 January 2018 20: 15
        Quote: Stas157
        .. but not to the director of State Farm!

        Right, not a State Farm... but a JSC laughing
        Quote: Stas157
        who are throwing now

        * now - together. Learn Russian, it's never too late wink
        After all, Lenin spoke to them, who said it, remember? You won’t remember without googling, I guarantee negative
        Quote: Stas157
        What is the real reason why you named Grudinin an oligarch?

        7.5 lards of rubles (a little more than a lard of Baku, oh) no one has yet denied.
        And Yushenkov’s words are just words...
        In short, Stas157... one of you is a propagandist... no good, excuse me request
        1. +8
          14 January 2018 20: 43
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          That's right, not State Farm... but JSC

          Quote: Golovan Jack
          * now - together. Learn Russian, it's never too late

          Thank you Golovan! Correct my mistakes, with your selfless help, I’m sure I’ll make fewer of them.))
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Well, Stas... you're not a propagandist, excuse me.

          But you are a very good fan and personal commentator! I probably didn't miss a single comment today. Yes! You can contact me directly. Don't be timid. And if you continue to try so hard, I can throw some money at you. I believe that such work should be paid. Nowadays you can’t go without PR and a support group!
          1. +5
            14 January 2018 20: 46
            Quote: Stas157
            You can contact me by name

            I won't... I won't. Exclusively from innate cleanliness.
            Quote: Stas157
            Nowadays you can't go without a support group

            So, this... it’s good to be poor already laughing
            stas, Gardamir, Sling cutter, Carbine, there are still a lot of fresh regs here...
            How is it:
            The holy place will not be empty. Shit - three times

            Where, by the way? wink
            * now - still together Yes
            1. +6
              14 January 2018 21: 02
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              stas

              Write my name with a capital letter, otherwise I won’t give you any money.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              The holy place will not be empty. Shit - three times

              Where, by the way?

              Ah, I'll explain, my friend! This is perfect for people like you! There are people, incomprehensible to me, who always like to get personal, try to dirty things up, get dirty... It’s they who occupy their “filthy place” in this life. That's how I see it. Did you guess right?
              1. +6
                15 January 2018 07: 09
                Quote: Stas157
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                stas

                Capitalize my name...

                Well...
                It's a shame not to know your "colleagues in the shop."
                stas, without numbers, which is a completely separate, ahem, entity from you Yes
    2. +2
      14 January 2018 20: 17
      Everything is correct! These arrogant Saxons have gone completely crazy! Not only do they knock down the leader, but they also shit in the entrances... And what they do to the leader’s associates cannot be described in general... they shove their filthy bucks right into their pockets. And they poor people can’t fight back, but the Saxons really fascinate them with the smell their filthy money. And irresponsible citizens are talking about some kind of corruption here...
    3. 0
      15 January 2018 18: 56
      [quote=cedar][quote=Svarog]
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin.[/quote]

      Nope, I need to add a tin foil hat to this list. So that you have something to protect yourself from the harmful radiation of the State Department (the boyarka does not always help in this matter).
  54. 0
    14 January 2018 19: 59
    Quote: oldzek
    by the way, one of these, namely the second on the right, seems to be already dead.

    Aha! And it seems like he wanted to repent before his death. Only not before God, but before the people. But is it hard to believe? But in general, I wish the same fate for all of them.
  55. +3
    14 January 2018 20: 00
    Russian President Vladimir Putin compared communism with Christianity, and the mausoleum of Vladimir Lenin with the veneration of the relics of saints

    The phrase is like a litmus test - you can immediately see who breathes what, who wishes what fate for Russia.
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  57. +4
    14 January 2018 20: 44
    Quote: midivan
    If, because of Ilyich’s removal, someone is ready to shoot at a fellow man, then yes, the world has gone crazy.

    ---------------------------------
    Those who want to endure this have gone crazy. They want to end the civil war.
    1. 0
      15 January 2018 14: 08
      Quote: Altona
      Those who want to endure this have gone crazy. They want to end the civil war.

      To the same extent, those who do not want to bear it have gone crazy. And they certainly want to end the civil war!
  58. +1
    14 January 2018 20: 48
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    No.
    I am somewhat surprised (and amused) by the welder-blogger.
    Who later complains that the brother of the owner of the factory where he (the welder) works, "does not want to buy their products."
    Still slightly annoying is the peremptoryness with which this welder pronounces his, ahem, maxims here.
    Cognitive dissonance is, you see.

    ---------------------------------------
    Your peremptory nature and trollism irritate me even more. Of course, living in a conventional lobna and kashira gives you much more rights to the truth than a “welder” (who is actually a mechanical engineer by profession) from a small town 600 km from Moscow. You are there communicating with the “masters of the world”, you see better the “worldly truth” and preach petty-bourgeois humility.
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 20: 59
      Quote: Altona
      Your peremptory nature and trollism irritate me even more

      That is, we understood each other. Well, that's nice Yes
      And who are you (and me) in your specialty - this is already, after many years, of little interest.
      But - good advice - take off the crown, at least at night... sleeping in the crown is not useful, and the safety engineer will scold you belay
  59. SOF
    +1
    14 January 2018 20: 49
    Inok10,
    ...great... In Lomonosov's time, in a literature lesson, your last comment would have been a solid "excellent"!
  60. Maz
    +2
    14 January 2018 20: 51
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Quote: turbris
    And you look at yourself in the mirror - you will see your primitive copy of an intelligent person.

    That is, the cult of Putin’s personality has gone unnoticed for you? :))) Then ... it’s better not to look in the mirror at all. You won’t see anything good there.

    To whom is a cult, and to whom is the appearance of Christ to the people, after Yeltsin, finally the messiah. Comrade Moses, with his tablets from the Sumerians and Egyptians, nervously smokes on the sidelines.
  61. +3
    14 January 2018 20: 52
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    7.5 lards of rubles (a little more than a lard of Baku, oh) no one has yet denied.

    ------------------------------
    Why are you clinging to Grudinin’s candidacy? He was nominated by the Communist Party of the Russian Federation not as a communist, but as a candidate of a “broad people’s patriotic front.” At the same time, they pushed Boldyrev, for example, just as the Democrats in the United States pushed Bernie Sanders in favor of Clinton. Nobody deifies either the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or Grudinin. This maneuver was carried out by Zyuganov, which exposed the absence of a truly Marxist candidate in his party. Apparently trollism is in your blood and doesn’t give you peace. You have to show your “brilliance” and “moral superiority”.
  62. +6
    14 January 2018 21: 01
    Quote: Altona
    Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.

    --------------------------------------
    I’ll throw some wood into the discussion, especially since many bourgeois patriots have joined in, knowing the “truth of life” and the power of bourgeois consciousness. Let me start by saying that the analogy was direct and intentional. We seem to have a democracy and I have every right to discuss GDP as a presidential candidate, regardless of rank and person.
    I will base the analogy on well-known evangelical and biblical stories, widely represented in literature.
    1) GDP is the “immaculately conceived” candidate both in 1999 and now. No Politburo or Party Congress pulled him out of their womb.
    2) I remember that Jesus Christ was called “King of the Jews” upon entering Jerusalem. Look who VVP’s friends are and the analogy is the most direct.
    3) GDP cannot be criticized. Everything he said immediately acquired the power of God’s word. And just as contradictory.
    4) GDP at its press conferences and direct lines is trying to feed the people with two loaves and three fishes.
    5) GDP walks on water as well as on dry land. True with a stick.
    6) GDP, like Moses, leads his people through the desert, and says that just about there and a little more. A life-giving “foreign investor” will come.
    Should we continue the analogies?
    1. 0
      14 January 2018 22: 18
      No need. Enough analogies.
  63. +2
    14 January 2018 21: 03
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    But - good advice - take off the crown, at least at night... sleeping in the crown is not useful, and the safety engineer will scold you

    -------------------------
    I myself am a part-time safety engineer. I don't suffer from doublethink.
    1. +5
      14 January 2018 21: 05
      Quote: Altona
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      But - good advice - take off the crown, at least at night... sleeping in the crown is not useful, and the safety engineer will scold you

      -------------------------
      I myself am a part-time safety engineer. I don't suffer from doublethink.

      good laughing good
      Well, I ended up... with both feet and in a basin...
      All. A plus for you from the bottom of my heart, and the dog and I went... crocodile.
      Because a crocodile (dog, I mean) must... crocodile Yes
  64. +6
    14 January 2018 21: 05
    Quote: cedar
    That’s why the arrogant Saxons are bringing down Putin, because he is slowly but surely winning back the sovereignty of the country and the ruble. It's clear?

    -----------------------------
    Tell Kim Jong-un about this. Let's laugh together.
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  66. +4
    14 January 2018 21: 08

    Poklonskaya has a break in the pattern laughing
  67. +1
    14 January 2018 21: 20
    I thought these thoughts only came into my head....
  68. +1
    14 January 2018 21: 21
    Quote: Vadivak
    Come on, everyone is good. In London the metro was opened, but in our country serfdom was abolished, and the executions on January 9 and the Lena mines?

    ----------------------------------
    In the USA there was a war between North and South. Supposedly for the “abolition of slavery.” However, racial segregation was abolished only in the 1970s, and in some states it still exists. Human zoos of all kinds were present in Europe as early as the 1950s.
  69. +3
    14 January 2018 22: 06
    The elections are close... So he was drawn to philosophizing, and this way and that... He wants “an earring for all the sisters.” More has already passed... And this is not the limit. It turns out - chaos, remember...
  70. +4
    14 January 2018 22: 09
    Quote: cedar
    BUT.., if the Rothschild oligarchs are behind Roma, then when the oligarch Pasha returns Soviet power to the people and the people begin to eat strawberries for sweetness, she will quickly set his teeth on edge... The oligarch Pasha’s puppet master advisors will be very cool... Bantustans and reservations we won't get away...

    ------------------------------------
    Isn’t it the same Abramovich and the Rothschilds behind Putin? So maybe we can immediately write Jacob and Nathaniel Rothschild into the ballot? Or at least Abramovich?
    1. +5
      14 January 2018 22: 28
      Quote: Altona
      Isn’t it the same Abramovich and the Rothschilds behind Putin?

      Is there clear evidence?
  71. +4
    14 January 2018 22: 17
    But Putin is right:
    Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there.

    no matter how anyone treats him.
    And if Humanity does not turn towards ideas - freedom, equality, brotherhood, justice - then it will inevitably lead itself to self-destruction.
    The Third World War (and it may turn out to be the last for the fate of Mankind) can be avoided only by building human relations on the basis of equality, justice, freedom and brotherhood.
    And only one project tried to form such relations (and declared their formation) - the communist one.
    So Putin is right, no matter how we treat him.
    1. +2
      15 January 2018 11: 44
      He is right in words, but the deeds of him and the oligarchy of the Russian Federation sharply diverge from his words.
  72. +1
    14 January 2018 22: 25
    Quote: Banshee
    No need. Enough analogies.

    ------------------------------
    Roman, I'm sorry, I've been very angry lately. For the humiliation of the country that we have been experiencing for the last six months.
  73. +1
    14 January 2018 22: 30
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Is there clear evidence?

    -----------------------------
    Of course there is, I wrote in the comments to other articles. You are watching this closely. what I am writing. Neutral changing of shoes for the Olympics is Abramovich’s business.
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 22: 37
      Quote: Altona
      Of course there is, I wrote in the comments to other articles

      A link to yourself is, of course, great... but I would like some more, ahem... authoritative and unbiased sources.
      Yes, no?
      Quote: Altona
      You are watching this closely. what I am writing

      There was a need...
      Nothing personal, but I have to get up at six tomorrow and go to work.
      Therefore, there is simply no time to follow your epistolary exercises... and, to be honest, there is no desire.
      Quote: Altona
      Neutral changing of shoes for the Olympics is Abramovich’s business

      Again, are you asking us to take your word for it, or do we have something to confirm?
      Altona, take off your crown already...
      PS: master the “Reply” button already. It’s understandable that you want to be visible all the time, but the “torn” tape in communication with you... is tiring, I’ll say so.
  74. +6
    14 January 2018 22: 48
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    A link to yourself is, of course, great... but I would like some more, ahem... authoritative and unbiased sources.
    Yes, no?

    -------------------------------------------
    Do you know what I will answer? I was not the first to open this Pandora's box, I was not the first to criticize the president. I have the legal right to ask questions on foreign and domestic policy as a presidential candidate. They don’t explain to me why Putin in October called “a neutral flag a humiliation for the country and an unacceptable option for participation in the Olympic Games,” and in December he suddenly turned 180 degrees and blessed this participation. You can, of course, delete my comments, which the site administration is now actively doing, but this does not cancel the most inconvenient questions to him. Commentators here are actively discussing attacks on Trump in the United States. Why don’t I have the right to actively ask uncomfortable questions to the current government?
    1. +4
      14 January 2018 22: 55
      Quote: Altona
      I have the legal right to ask questions on foreign and domestic policy as a presidential candidate

      Undoubtedly. But you are not mainly asking questions, but making certain (unsubstantiated, in my opinion) statements.
      And these, you see, are slightly different things.
      Quote: Altona
      They don’t explain to me why Putin in October called the neutral flag a humiliation for the country and an unacceptable option for participation in the Olympic Games,” and in December he suddenly turned 180 degrees and blessed this participation

      Damn, everyone enjoyed this Olympics... a circus with horses, Putin has no more problems except this Olympics...
      Cockroach races, forgive me, Lord...
      And don’t talk about “flags”, “honor” and other lofty matters.
      They're not here at all. And the importance of this issue... none... although for VO it’s quite possible, there are a lot of people here who want to make some noise and stomp their feet laughing
      Quote: Altona
      Why don’t I have the right to actively ask uncomfortable questions to the current government?

      I repeat, you and you have the right, and you can even (we remember an anecdote from the Soviet Union).
      It’s sometimes interesting to read you, but your evidence base is somehow... not very good, IMHO.
      ---
      So what about the Rothschilds who are behind Putin? I really want to know Yes
      PS: Altona, the "Reply" button... our everything, practically good
      1. +2
        15 January 2018 11: 58
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Damn, everyone enjoyed this Olympics... a circus with horses, Putin has no more problems except this Olympics...
        Cockroach races, forgive me, Lord...
        And don’t talk about “flags”, “honor” and other lofty matters.
        They're not here at all. And the importance of this issue... none... although for VO it’s quite possible, there are a lot of people here who want to make some noise and stomp their feet

        How pathetic is Golovan Jack. Previously, you at least lazily tried to whitewash the shameful actions of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, but now you are stupidly merging. If I were the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, I would reduce your high salary, because you are lazy. Well, for slaves of the Russian oligarchy like you, of course, the Motherland, coat of arms, flag, honor, dignity, debt to ancestors are unnecessary concepts. The country is being lowered below the plinth, and for you this event is of no importance. No, it's time to end your pack.
  75. +4
    14 January 2018 23: 01
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Undoubtedly. But you are not mainly asking questions, but making certain (unsubstantiated, in my opinion) statements.
    And these, you see, are slightly different things.

    -------------------------------------
    Ha! But it’s not my fault that he is also the current president. What facts do I have that are unfounded? But what, some perturbations are not visible, in whose favor are they? Or are we still in a “convergent state” as under Tsar Boris? You better go to sleep. Don't take it to heart. If you intensively weed the garden bed, then of course nothing alternative will grow on it. Also, if you look through a telescope with a light filter, you will see only one spectrum of the star. You like it, for God's sake. We will survive in this state for another 10-15 years, it’s good that the Generalissimo left us a rich inheritance, they just can’t finish eating.
    P.S. The Americans and the British are not shy about making unfounded accusations and, strangely enough, Putin accepts them from them - “we ourselves gave the reason for this.” So it's okay. If you want democracy, get it and don't cry.
    1. +6
      14 January 2018 23: 18
      Quote: Altona
      Ha! But it’s not my fault that he is also the current president

      How does this relate to the fact that, apart from your words, you usually do not provide any evidence?
      Quote: Altona
      What facts do I have that are unfounded?

      You see... I somehow don’t see facts, as such, in your comments.
      There are certain things that you (rather arbitrarily, I note) postulate. Like, “that’s how it is.” Why - that's where it follows - you apparently consider talking about this beneath your dignity.
      A strange position for discussion.
      For an agitator (of which you count yourself), however, this is the most good
      Quote: Altona
      But what, some perturbations are not visible, in whose favor are they?

      Again, if you please, speak in riddles... but I’m not trained to read your thoughts.
      What's the result? In the end, I consider this phrase to be verbal garbage, sorry...
      Quote: Altona
      Or are we still in a “convergent state” as under Tsar Boris?

      How can this be interpreted? In the trash again...
      Quote: Altona
      It’s good that the Generalissimo left us a rich inheritance, they just can’t finish eating

      Quote: S. Ozhegov, Dictionary of the Russian Language

      Pessimism ... is a gloomy outlook in which a person is inclined to see evil, unpleasant in everything

      Perhaps I’ll really go to hell... I don’t see anything constructive, and no one has canceled the work week yet.
      1. +3
        15 January 2018 00: 43
        These are your problems, broaden your horizons, I can’t throw gigabytes of my ponds at you. You are most likely not trained in critical thinking. Like the Anglo-Saxon, you have a voluntary acceptance of information. Some things are critical to me, and others to you. I'm not going to force anything on you.
        1. 0
          15 January 2018 12: 39
          Altona - well, you have shown yourself in all your glory, so whoever disagrees with you has a narrow outlook and is not trained in critical thinking? But you are so smart in matters of critical thinking, somehow you direct your criticism only in one direction, is this an example of arbitrarily accepting information or is it still on assignment?
  76. +6
    14 January 2018 23: 15
    For me personally, a communist is not Lenin, nor Stalin, nor, especially Zyu***, but another character. And I think that in reality there were such people! good
    (For those “not in the know,” this is a still from the film “Communist”)
    1. +1
      15 January 2018 14: 18
      I confirm there were. And there are still those who remember them and continue the work.
  77. +4
    14 January 2018 23: 35
    How Russophobes get sick from Putin’s words belay
  78. +6
    15 January 2018 00: 52
    Quote: Stas Snezhin
    Yes, in communism it wasn’t such that the lines stood to kiss the remains of a corpse (which are relics). Yes, and slaves were not appointed ..

    Seriously? Have you seen the queue at the mausoleum at the union? I think no. It began far beyond Red Square. So they still stood there.
  79. 0
    15 January 2018 01: 53
    Quote: Altona
    Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.

    Why not speculate? Elections are around the corner...
  80. +1
    15 January 2018 05: 04
    I’m sitting on the “top of the Caucasus” and reading the comments. Well, we had fun, it seems that it’s not Monday morning, but closer to Wednesday....
  81. 0
    15 January 2018 06: 39
    Quote: Altona
    Why did he suddenly decide to speculate on religious matters? He himself is a primitive copy of Christ.

    ..Jesus Christ - Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky - the son of a Jewish woman..., and Ulyanov - Blank - the son of a Jewish woman... This tribe is very restless - well, how *it* always floats to the surface at all times...., well, nothing *good* doesn’t happen in the world without these *leprechauns...
  82. +2
    15 January 2018 07: 45
    Under the USSR, all the principles of the “Bible” were actually put into practice. And for 2 thousand years, humanity, having gone through several formations from slavery to capitalism, was never able to implement them.
  83. 0
    15 January 2018 08: 11
    No matter how you disguise yourself, the horns will still come out someday.
  84. +1
    15 January 2018 08: 56
    Quote: friend of animals
    From the fact that the corpse is embalmed, it does not cease to be a corpse. By today's standards, it’s wild to worship mummies or bones.

    All to their graves, without exception. Lenin's killer first of all!!
  85. 0
    15 January 2018 12: 07
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    That is, Putin’s personality cult went unnoticed by you? :)))

    Tell me the leader of any state who does not have a cult of personality? Any leader is entitled to a cult of personality along with his position, because the media creates this very cult and the more they try, the bigger the cult. But I definitely don’t see Putin’s cult of personality in terms of the work of his administration, maybe you’re looking in the wrong mirror?
  86. +2
    15 January 2018 12: 21
    Quote: cedar
    Why wait? Once the people "strawberries" wanted, and even mad ...
    Get and see, to the root ...

    Who would doubt that, owning all the media, having funds from the state budget at their disposal, these gentlemen will not start digging with their snouts in search of compromising material and other dirty linen. Let them not forget about their accounts in Great Britain and their islands in the warm seas.
  87. +4
    15 January 2018 12: 46
    Communist ideology, it is very similar to Christianity, in fact: freedom, equality, fraternity, justice - all this is embedded in the Holy Scriptures, it is all there.
    Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich.
    I bring the Commandments of God.
    1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. May you have no other gods before Me.
    2. Do not make for yourself an idol or any image of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth below, or that is in the waters under the earth. Do not worship them or serve them; For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the iniquity of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me, and showing mercy to a thousand [generations] of those who love Me and keep My commandments.
    3.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who takes His name in vain.
    4. Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. Work six days and do all your work; and the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. You shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your maidservant, nor your ox, nor your donkey, nor any of your livestock, nor your stranger who is with you, so that your servant and your maidservant rested, as did you. And remember that [you] were a slave in the land of Egypt, but the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.
    5. Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
    6. Don't kill.
    7. Do not commit adultery.
    8. Don't steal.
    9. Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, and you shall not covet your neighbor’s house, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that your neighbor has.
    It should be noted that the Ten Commandments (Decalogue, or the Law of God) (Hebrew: עשרת הדברות‏‎, “aseret-ha-dibrot” - literally ten sayings; other Greek: δέκα λόγοι, “decalogue” - lit. ten words) - prescriptions, ten basic laws, which, according to the Pentateuch, were given to Moses by God himself, in the presence of the children of Israel, on Mount Sinai on the fiftieth day after the Exodus from Egypt (Exodus 19:10-25).

    Firstly, Christian teaching and the Commandments of God are primarily a limitation. Your desires, actions, thoughts.
    And the formation in oneself, to a greater extent, of asceticism and moderation. Moreover, in everything.

    And here is the Code of the Builder of Communism.
    Commitment to the cause of communism, love of the socialist homeland, to the countries of socialism.
    Conscientious work for the benefit of society: who does not work, he does not eat.
    Everyone cares about preserving and multiplying the public domain.
    High consciousness of public duty, intolerance to violations of public interests.
    Collectivism and comradely mutual assistance: each for all, all for one.
    Humane relations and mutual respect between people: a person is a friend, friend and brother.
    Honesty and truthfulness, moral purity, simplicity and modesty in public and private life.
    Mutual respect in the family, concern for the upbringing of children.
    Intolerance to injustice, parasitism, dishonesty, careerism, money-grubbing.
    Friendship and brotherhood of all the peoples of the USSR, intolerance of national and racial dislike.
    Intolerance towards the enemies of communism, the cause of peace and freedom of peoples.
    Fraternal solidarity with the working people of all countries, with all peoples.

    The ideology of communism is the predominance of the public over the personal.
    Improving public relations.
    Religious dogmas are the improvement of personality.
    What are the similarities?


    Liberty, equality, fraternity (French Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité) is the national motto of the French Republic.
    Causes, prerequisites and nature of the French Revolution By the 18th century, France was a fairly developed country. Medium and small landowners were interested in developing commodity relations and changing conditions. The government itself, represented by the supreme land owner, was not interested in the development of agriculture and commodity production, that is, in changing the situation in the country. The formation of new economic relations based on democratic principles was required. The guild system is the first obstacle to the development of industry, but despite this, the growth of the bourgeoisie is noticeable. The source of its wealth is industry and trade. The bourgeoisie stands out from the townspeople, having accumulated a large amount of wealth (money and means of production) in its hands. Gradually it consolidated into a single group, which was strong economically, but did not have any political rights, unlike the nobles and clergy.
    The prerequisites for the bourgeois revolution take shape within society, at its basis. On the contrast between the wealth of the nobles and the poverty of the peasants. In addition, a financial crisis is occurring in the country, due to the excessive emptying of the treasury by the monarch and his entourage, there is a series of lean years, the combination of these facts has caused discontent among the people and a conflict. The premises are objective in nature. Therefore, a revolution was vitally necessary. The driving forces of the revolution are three powerful currents that prepared and carried out the revolution: 1. The French peasantry is two million people vitally interested in the abolition of feudal duties, feudal land tenure and the feudal state. 2. Urban lower classes: artisans, workers, apprentices, etc., the so-called pre-proletariat: 1,5 - 2 million people, this layer of the population bore the revolutionary struggle on its shoulders and determined the radical nature of the revolution.3. The bourgeoisie, or third estate, which was imbued with the great ideas of enlightenment and had its own ideas regarding the political reorganization of the state: merchants, owners of manufactories and industrial enterprises. Unlike the first two groups, the bourgeoisie immediately acquired an organized form, a kind of association that had its own platform and a focused desire for power. The leading force of the revolution is the bourgeoisie. It was heterogeneous in its composition.

    How can one talk about freedom, equality and brotherhood if the bourgeoisie was in charge of this orgy?
    Was he trying to level himself with the lumpen or the peasants?

    I have already said and I want to repeat, especially for GDP - to speak only on paper. Don't suffer from gag.
    1. 0
      15 January 2018 15: 34
      Quote: demo
      8. Don't steal.

      So how did this commandment contribute to overcoming property inequality?
      Today, the chairman of the collective farm, Grudinin, receives 100 times more salary than his ordinary collective farmer. Does this mean it works 100 times harder? How is that? Such a salary is legal theft. The communists had it fairer - ETKS. And according to this directory, the manager, yes, received more than the worker, but not by several times, by... So that’s it.
      1. 0
        15 January 2018 15: 35
        we are correcting the mistake - ...not by times, but by...
  88. +1
    15 January 2018 13: 00
    Quote: Svetlana
    Quote: cedar
    Why wait? Once the people "strawberries" wanted, and even mad ...
    Get and see, to the root ...

    Who would doubt that, owning all the media, having funds from the state budget at their disposal, these gentlemen will not start digging with their snouts in search of compromising material and other dirty linen. Let them not forget about their accounts in Great Britain and their islands in the warm seas.


    Grudinin is a dark horse. He didn’t collect signatures, so he is little known and, all the more, everyone is interested in what kind of fruit this is, and he’s also got his skis on for president... When registering a candidate for the presidential post, “digging” is a normal action. The commission must check all submitted documents and naturally dig deeper. Maybe someone forgot to disclose something... Russia is not the Ilyich state farm... and its nuclear weapons are not strawberries and cream... and the President’s nuclear suitcase is not... In short - “Be sure, Grudinin, before it’s too late ...."
  89. +1
    15 January 2018 13: 29
    The Tsar expressed his opinion, so what. Here I agree with him by the way. Lenin in the Mausoleum - tradition and visual history.
  90. +2
    15 January 2018 14: 43
    And here the Hohenzollerns began to speak through the mouth of Poklonskaya:
    “To use and interpret “in your own way” the words of the president about a certain parallel with the dead body of Ulyanov in the mausoleum, on whose conscience there are millions of tortured people, with holy relics in monasteries and churches, in my opinion, is an incorrect and deliberate distortion in one’s favor, for political or other reasons, the opinion expressed is not about this at all, but about the regimes of government and the attempt to create a false religion at a certain historical stage,” Poklonskaya said.

    Read more at RBC:
    https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5a5c51459a79476bfd
    014a45

    Well, very quickly Yes
  91. 0
    15 January 2018 15: 09
    Tatyana,
    Tatyana, you are absolutely right!!! But don't you think that you are throwing beads?
  92. +2
    15 January 2018 19: 28
    Our king, apparently, is offended that his EP is being compared to an organized crime group. As for communism, Engels’ words are appropriate here that every religion must have its own sanctuaries, priests, rituals and written documents that affirm the dogmas of the religion. Marxism-Leninism had it all, but our chief manager has everything in one place - a Swiss bank.
  93. 0
    17 January 2018 23: 12
    Communism can be compared to a sectarian “faith”!
    But not with Christianity.
    Because Christianity is not just the breaking of foreheads by fools in prayer.
    This is also “thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal...”
    And communism is an inevitable mass murder. Because it is impossible to take away everything from everyone without the mass destruction of people and the organization of mass lawlessness for those who remain.
    And another “building of communism” (“with a human face”:) is not envisaged even by its theorists and classics.
    Which is fully confirmed by the practice of destructive and bloody “construction” in the USSR.
    Regarding Sushenny Ilyich in the mausoleum: this is almost the only and not the last brick in the foundation of the “legitimacy” of communist power in Russia.
    From which comes the “succession” of the shitcracy and its seizure of everything supposedly “public.”
    As long as Dried lies as an idol for worship, the total robbery of citizens by “perestroika” and privatization while maintaining lawlessness will be considered “legal” and unshakable... like the tsarist power before 1917.

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