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In the State Duma called the stupidity of the words of the Ukrainian general about the mining of transferred ships

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The statement of the Ukrainian general about the “hidden subversive devices” in the transferred ships in the Crimea is another stupidity, reports RIA News statement of the deputy chairman of the Duma Defense Committee Yuri Shvytkin.


In the State Duma called the stupidity of the words of the Ukrainian general about the mining of transferred ships
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Of course, there are absolutely no plans, intent on the part of our country,
said the deputy to the agency.

Russia's intentions are a “gesture of goodwill,” he stressed.

We give the equipment that is unsuitable for us today. Our types of weapons are much newer, more environmentally friendly, more favorable, and, of course, today we do not need the equipment that was once in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Therefore, as they say, take away the unnecessary,
said Shvytkin.

On Thursday, Vladimir Putin said that Moscow was ready to transfer warships and airplanes from the Crimea to Ukraine, noting that their condition could be described as “deplorable”.

After that, the commander of the Navy Igor Voronchenko said that the remaining ships on the peninsula allegedly were "in working condition." The admiral added that the decision on the return of equipment will be taken by the country's leadership.

And on Saturday, the former deputy head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Igor Romanenko, in an interview with Apostrof, stated that Ukrainian military equipment, which Russia can transfer to Ukraine from the Crimea, should be carefully checked for “hidden disruptive devices”. He referred to the fact that "after the Second World War, the Germans and Italians brewed explosive devices into the corps, and at the right moment they undermined them - with all the ensuing consequences."

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  1. 210ox
    210ox 14 January 2018 12: 41
    17
    Behind him screaming and howling ran paranoia ... laughingAlthough, maybe it should be ..
    1. Vanin
      Vanin 14 January 2018 13: 06
      +8
      Why Ukraine these boats .... Sell for scrap anyway!
      As I recall, with the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine was the second Army in Europe in terms of equipment and combat potential (after Russia with nuclear weapons))))
      They sold everything to Kolomoisky and K. .. And arranged a bloody showdown to cover up the tracks ..!
      Oh Ukraine!
      1. Going
        Going 14 January 2018 13: 20
        +5
        And why should we bother with them, let them take it away.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 14 January 2018 13: 26
          11
          Quote: Going
          And why should we bother with them, let them take it away.

          And why is it not necessary to mess around, cut into metal and all things. Why make these noble gestures? "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces." Something like this !
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 14 January 2018 13: 34
            +4
            Quote: Pirogov
            Quote: Going
            And why should we bother with them, let them take it away.

            And why is it not necessary to mess around, cut into metal and all things. Why make these noble gestures? "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces." Something like this !

            I support. I think it is necessary to take a break until the elections are held, and then the Crimean government should raise the question with the “Government” of Ukraine on the terms for the export of military junk, or the Crimea itself will utilize everything for scrap for reasons of environmental and safety threats.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 14 January 2018 15: 20
              +2
              Quote: VANIN
              Why Ukraine these boats .... Sell for scrap anyway!

              That's it. These ships are in any scrap metal. Not to give, but to sell, it is possible at the price of scrap metal. And not necessarily the Ukrainians.
              NEVER CAN DO ANYTHING FOR A GIFT.
              The Baltic states were rebuilt for nothing, Ukraine was supplied with gas at discounts. Now they spit.
              From Syria for the help demanded the territory under the base. Now we are held in high esteem there.
              1. Going
                Going 14 January 2018 20: 19
                +2
                And why is it not necessary to mess around, cut into metal and all things. Why make these noble gestures? "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, lest they trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces." Something like this !


                Not everything is so simple, it is a big expense and no more.
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 January 2018 14: 43
            +1
            Quote: Pirogov
            saw on metal and all things

            A lot of fuss. Upload all their wheeled and tracked trash to the Ukrainian troughs, tow them into the open sea, anchor, if necessary, let them take it, if not, they will drown over time. They have only a place at the berths.
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 14 January 2018 15: 01
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Quote: Pirogov
              saw on metal and all things

              A lot of fuss. Upload all their wheeled and tracked trash to the Ukrainian troughs, tow them into the open sea, anchor, if necessary, let them take it, if not, they will drown over time. They have only a place at the berths.

              Why clog the open sea? Pull below the level of Belgorod-Dniester and blocking the passage to Odessa, put on a dead anchor, opening the kingstones!
              Or they will pick them up immediately or sink, without the possibility of the ships of the "partners" entering Odessa!
            2. Flyer_64
              Flyer_64 14 January 2018 18: 06
              0
              In Inkerman, two ships of the Naval Forces of Ukraine have already been carved in the Reception, now the support vessel Horizon and the dibor boat Ukraine are in turn. Ukraine does not need these steamboats, and all the remaining trash. Everyone will hand over metal without exporting from the Crimea.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 14 January 2018 18: 32
                +1
                Quote: Letun_64
                In steamship in Inkerman, two steamships have already been cut

                And who is carving and surrendering, our or Navy’s representatives?
                1. Flyer_64
                  Flyer_64 14 January 2018 19: 51
                  0
                  Of course, Ukraine through companies accredited in Crimea. This is what ours is for.
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          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 14 January 2018 15: 09
            +1
            Quote: Pirogov
            saw on metal and all things

            Sawing is also expensive, and the benefits are a bit. And so let them take and suffer.
          4. Dmitry_24rus
            Dmitry_24rus 14 January 2018 16: 21
            0
            Article sucks. Hooray, patriots !!!! Like the censor, level below the baseboard.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 14 January 2018 16: 47
          +2
          Quote: Going
          And why should we bother with them, let them take it away.


          hi No, planes and “armor” can be cut by yourself, but let the “boxes” be taken away, their cutting is more expensive than the product. I think the solution will be in the traditional spirit for the Ukrainians - "spite Muscovites will refuse the offer of Moscow." yes
        3. Evgeniy667b
          Evgeniy667b 14 January 2018 19: 17
          +1
          The biggest stupidity in this case was committed when voicing the idea to transfer these ships and aircraft to Ukraine, complete irresponsibility and myopia! The fact that someone is engaged in speculation on this topic is nonsense compared to if the price of the transfer of technology would be human lives, not Svidomo, but our people.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 January 2018 21: 12
            0
            Quote: Evgeniy667b
            The biggest stupidity in this case was committed when voicing the idea to transfer these ships and aircraft to Ukraine, complete irresponsibility and myopia! The fact that someone is engaged in speculation on this topic is nonsense compared to if the price of the transfer of technology would be human lives, not Svidomo, but our people.

            This is not a weapon, not a ship, not an aircraft ... - this is a METALLOM. They can cause damage to health if during cutting some piece of iron on your leg falls.
            1. Conductor
              Conductor 15 January 2018 13: 22
              0
              We look at the Labor Code of Ukraine.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 January 2018 13: 21
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Behind him screaming and howling ran paranoia ..

      Paranoia is a magical totem of wow-warriors!
      Quote: 210ox
      Although, maybe it should.

      What should the faq be? Explosive "brew"? This is not cost-effective! Explosives cost more than the specified scrap! No.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 14 January 2018 13: 34
        +2
        In the State Duma called the stupidity of the words of the Ukrainian general about the mining of transferred ships
        no other definition was found? for me, this is paranoid schizophrenia.
      2. Slovak
        Slovak 14 January 2018 16: 19
        +1
        Stop mocking! This is a standard ukrogeneral. Also not the most stupid, most worse
    3. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 15 January 2018 18: 39
      0
      The Kremlin will let damage to that scrap! laughing
  2. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 14 January 2018 12: 43
    +7
    after the Second World War, Germans and Italians brewed subversive devices in the corps, and at the right time undermined


    So we are Russian, why should we take an example from the then enemies?
    Let Ukraine take its junk and tinker with it herself. I saw with my own eyes what kind of scrap. Therefore, they invent all sorts of reasons, just not to pick them up.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 14 January 2018 12: 51
      +7
      Sand Quarry General Today, 12:43 PM

      Another nonsense, another ukrokaklovskogo inadequate. Is it worth it to strain your health because of these? I think no.
      Happy you !!! drinks
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 14 January 2018 12: 56
        +7
        And you also a happy holiday drinks
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 14 January 2018 13: 58
        +2
        Sergey, Zhora - hello and Happy New Year! hi drinks Strange these dill: they’re looking for a freebie around, but here they don’t want to take their own. lol
  3. Masya masya
    Masya masya 14 January 2018 12: 47
    17
    Russia's intentions are a “gesture of goodwill,” he stressed.

    1. Vanin
      Vanin 14 January 2018 13: 09
      +5
      Marina, you are as always feminine right .... I am an old soldier and I don’t know the words of love, but my feelings have not died out yet! love
      1. karish
        karish 14 January 2018 13: 13
        +9
        Quote: VANIN
        Masha, as always, you’re right on a woman’s face .... I’m an old soldier and I don’t know the words of love, but my feelings are still there! love

        Vitaly, if your wife (Polish woman) reads this, she will bounce so frying pan that your old broken helmet will not help.
        Fuck will sweep away from the combat couch and this will not be a ban on Vo, but a real BAN.
        Vitaliy - take care of yourself.
        You are in VO as a symbol. soldier
      2. Masya masya
        Masya masya 14 January 2018 13: 23
        +7
        Vitaliy, howdy there! love very glad to see the old soldier in good health! love Congratulations on all past holidays !!! love
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 14 January 2018 12: 49
    +6
    I have the impression that the Kremlin is in its irrepressible desire to establish common ground with this transfer of mine (property) to the military. Pardon. For diplomatic hi Measure and smear (on the human) can go on very bold sexual acts laughingWhat nonsense to smear a bunch of scrap metal with those who are violet-black for such actions ..
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 14 January 2018 16: 36
      +1
      What nonsense to smear a bunch of scrap metal with those who are violet-black for such actions ..

      I do not agree. It's like a blind alley: a step towards and an outstretched hand does not mean a gesture of goodwill.
      Here the partner has the choice to either step back or go ahead and run into an adventure. In this case, the partner understood everything, and yelled with fright: the guard, the bully wants to deprive me of health. lol
      And for Crimeans all this stuff really poses a threat to the environment and safety. Ukrainians understand this. Either the tsrules from the SBU will organize a provocation and a terrorist attack with this junk (the security will be strengthened unambiguously), or they will continue to torment the progressive public with their sufferings - we will take it only with the Crimea and the Donbass! crying Uncles, aunties, America with us, give me the money, we will return to us \ you Crimea with the Donbass. fool
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 January 2018 12: 49
    +5
    Therefore, as they say, take away the unnecessary,

    Well said.
    military equipment that Russia can transfer to Ukraine from the Crimea must be carefully checked for the presence of “hidden explosive devices”

    If there is a certificate from p. No. 6, it is allowed to declare this. laughing
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 14 January 2018 13: 25
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      If there is a certificate from p. No. 6, it is allowed to declare this.
      If we say that
      “After the Second World War, the Germans and Italians brewed explosive devices into the corps, and at the right moment they undermined them - with all the ensuing consequences”here it should be emphasized that it was not “the Germans and Italians”, but the rotten and vile British who handed over to us from Malta the battleship Giulio Cesare with explosives planted in the double nasal tip. For a number of reasons, the explosive was not activated at the transition to Sevastopol, as it was not found even after repairs and modernization in the USSR, but it was activated in 1955 by British saboteurs during the aggravation of the situation in Egypt, to the shores of which the Black Sea squadron was supposed to leave. As for the transfer of ships, there was no time for these curtsies before the Bandera power, the toad was burning to cut its relatively new ships for scrap metal, now we are giving this scrap metal for nothing. We will be blamed for all the deadly sins, after undermining the same Anglo-Saxons after such a rusty trough, there will be a cool provocation, and they are not accustomed to goats, as in the case of Novorossiysk, and a little later, during the incident with the cruiser Ordzhonikidze, both cases under Nikita Khrushchev, and, in the second case, the threat was neutralized in time. It turned out all over again with the British, Khrushchev was supposed to be blown up on board during the transition in the USSR, with our leading experts and designers, including aircraft designer Tupolev and the nuclear engineer Kurchatov. They would have dumped everything on a mine that had broken anchor, from World War II, wandering in the sea.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 January 2018 14: 04
        +2
        Absolutely fantastic hypothesis. There was some reason to blame the Italian swimmers, special forces veterans ("the pride of Italy in captivity" was shaken by antiquity), but the British were deeply troubled by the British.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 14 January 2018 15: 15
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Absolutely fantastic hypothesis.
          Absolutely fantastic hypothesis, this is the official version, undermining the old German ground mine. No less fantastic, absurd "revenge" of Italian combat swimmers, who, if they were to hate anyone, were the British who humiliated Italy and not the Russians. The battleship stood for several years in Malta, after the Italians surrendered the fleet, the British studied it quite well, and the Italians themselves knew it all the more well. When attacking the British battleships in Alexandria, explosives were laid under the powder magazine, and then, such an effect from external mines was not observed. "Novorossiysk" an explosion struck from the bottom, passing all the armor decks, before throwing the flame into the sky, this is not possible either with an external fastening to the bottom of the mine, or, especially, with an explosion of the bottom mine. In addition, during the examination of the bottom, two craters were discovered, one more, the other smaller, but even the largest crater could not have been an explosion at the bottom, due to the negligible depth of penetration, not corresponding to the power of the explosion. Later analyzes showed that such craters could remain only from explosions made under the ship’s hull, that is, much higher from the bottom. Finally, the main explosion itself occurred not in the water, but in the air, both in physics of the nature of the explosion and in the testimony of eyewitnesses who noted the strong smell of explosives in the explosion. The explosion on the battleship was out of the powder magazine, that is, even the ammunition was not detonated here. More Italian workers were warned about the possible mining of ours at the time of the transfer ... And the time was such that our allies in the anti-Hitler coalition were already on the other side of the barricade. Churchill’s speech in Fulton was already heard, and the Americans had plans for the atomic bombings of Soviet cities, the Cold War was gaining momentum and could well become hot. By the way, according to some sources, there were rumors that the “Novorossiysk”, which was preparing to leave the squadron in the Mediterranean, was loaded with “special charges”, shells of the main caliber with a nuclear charge. If there was a detonation of the powder cellars, a grandiose catastrophe could have happened in the bay of Sevastopol, be it really. As a result of the death of the flagship, our Black Sea Fleet remained in the base, Admiral Kuznetsov lost his post, scrapped the unfinished battlecruisers, as the surface fleet itself was trimmed by Nikita Khrushchev. It is possible that Crab, a famous British saboteur, was a participant in the installation of the main charge min-detonators under Novorossiysk, but this “gentleman” paid in Portsmouth Bay, under “Ordzhonikidze”, not all the Maslenitsa cat died down ... The case of Novorossiysk was hushed up Most of the evidence and evidence was destroyed, since Khrushchev had been soaping to mend relations with the West, and high-ranking heads could still fly in the Soviet military leadership. Undermining the Khrushchev British after his visit to the cruiser, it would be a pity only a cruiser with a crew and scientists, important for the country, and not Nikita.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 January 2018 15: 25
            +2
            Listen, many years have passed. There is no secrecy anymore. All famous saboteurs and commandos of all countries wrote memoirs about their exploits. Here, plans for nuclear attacks of the 50s are already openly published.
            And here - a pile of assumptions and not a single evidence.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 14 January 2018 15: 36
              +1
              Read, Alex, the sources, see the modernization scheme of "Julio Cesare", finally, think with your head. I thought of my own, and dear editors for trying to publish the article "Shadows in the Sea" (about the explosion of the battleship Novorossiysk and attempts to mine the cruiser Ordzhonikidze), as they say, "we were excommunicated", the site administrator is now forbidden to me to upload articles. Perhaps the reason is different, but for what I was subjected to this "anathema", I don’t know yet, a year has passed, silence is answered to all my questions ... So think what you want, and you are talking about outdated memoirs. Obviously, about the "Kursk" is also not soon find out the truth.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 January 2018 16: 22
                +1
                Oh well. As a hypothesis based on personal research,
                Your version has the right to exist and discussion.
                I cannot agree with her, but I also cannot refute the facts. drinks hi
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 14 January 2018 16: 44
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Absolutely fantastic hypothesis. There was some reason to blame the Italian swimmers, special forces veterans ("the pride of Italy in captivity" was shaken by antiquity), but the British were deeply troubled by the British.

          One of the liquidators of combat swimmers-terrorists holds the knife of the Italian baron of the aquanaut-terrorist under an incident with Orgenikidze as a trophy.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 14 January 2018 17: 41
            +1
            I read somewhere (this hypothesis seems to me more realistic than
            "British") that Italian retired veterans wanted to blow up the ship, but
            preferably without people. But there was a kind of overlap,
            and on the ship at the time of the explosion there was a significant part of the crew, plus
            part of the rescuers died.
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 14 January 2018 22: 36
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              I read somewhere (this hypothesis seems to me more realistic than
              "British")
              Penetrating into the main base of the Black Sea Fleet and undermining the flagship is not going to dive, but an operation at the level of NATO special forces, which only the United Kingdom could do then without the US sanction, and in no way Italy, and its brave veterans. But let it be so, why then the highly experienced Italians, especially those who knew the scheme of their former battleship well, did not place explosives in the most vulnerable places, as they did when attacking British battleships during World War II in Alexandria? All that the Italians were able to do then, they did, and they did not put the frailty under the gunpowder cellars, and put the battleships out of action for a long time. But, nothing like an explosion on the battleship Novorossiysk did not happen then in Alexandria. On our own ship, the explosion did not occur under the towers of the main caliber, and not even under the center of the ship, where it would be more logical to mount the charges, but in that part of the “patch nose” that was as close as possible to the artillery grabs. Two outdoor explosions were to detonate the main charge, which was already inside the battleship. The edges bent inside here are explained by the fact that, firstly, the internal explosion had the effect of a directional explosion, from bottom to top, and did not have a special effect on the character of the chipping from the detonator mine, and, secondly, water under enormous pressure bent into the hole even stronger inside. It was noted that the explosion was monstrous, no underwater saboteurs could have time to drag so much explosives. If we recall the subversion of the Japanese heavy cruiser by the Americans at the end of the war, they exploded explosives under the bottom of the Takao, but there were no such monstrous destructions as well, as there was no external explosion, but the Novorossiysk. Why did the mean "gentlemen" do it, the whole thing is in the Suez Canal, the Soviet strengthening of positions on the Mediterranean Sea, the rapprochement and support of the USSR to the course of Egypt’s independence from Britain. Naturally, I do not impose my point of view, and this and not only my opinion, there is a lot of evidence and conclusions that tend to the fact that the battleship Novorossiysk was undermined by the British, and the explosives were hidden in the labyrinths of the compartments of the USSR for reparations.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 15 January 2018 17: 35
                +1
                Why doesn’t such a simple option come to your mind? :
                1) Explosives laid in Malta by the British.
                2) The Italians did not know about this.
                3) Italian veterans vowed to avenge the capture of their flagship.
                4) The British secret services found out about this and whispered to their grandfathers:
                "guys, you don’t need much steam, the ship is already mined, you just need to
                detonate explosives with an external mine. "
                5) The Barons said: "Thank you, Britons, we are swimming, we are not the first time."

                PS
                The Suez crisis is generally far-fetched.
                Nasser nationalized the canal in 1956. This began the crisis.
                And the battleship exploded in 1955 - even before that.
                1. Per se.
                  Per se. 15 January 2018 18: 19
                  0
                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  "guys, you don’t need much steam, the ship is already mined, you just need to
                  detonate explosives with an external mine. "
                  Why do the Italians need it? All the hype about "revenge" is only a cover, such cases are not dealt with by the "old brigands", everything is too serious. The explosion was expected, it was noted by foreign observing ships at sea, by activity in foreign media. If Stalin was alive, it is unlikely that the “gentlemen” would dare to do that, and if they did, they would have bitterly paid for the murder of our sailors. Another thing Khrushchev, this undermining the battleship even, as if on the hand was. There was even one ridiculous version that our special services blew up the battleship ... I appreciate your attention, but I repeat, if you are interested in this story, you can find information on the network, links to sources, but you have to analyze everything, I think you have analytics no problem. Finally, ask about the incident with the cruiser "Ordzhonikidze", there was a very real scandal, the British had to give explanations. These are all links of one chain. As for the case of Novorossiysk, here, besides the version of saboteurs from the sea, there is also a version of the use of foreign agents in Crimea, in particular, the networks left over from the Germans, and which became controlled by the Americans and the British. As for Suez, since such cases are calculated in advance, the battleship was blown up in the fall of 1955, there would not have been this sabotage, maybe in Egypt everything was decided in the same 1955 year, to the shores of which our squadron was going to go.
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 January 2018 12: 57
    +8
    Yes tired of - do not take - tow to Odessa and sink them somewhere on the shallows. Keeping them afloat in Sevastopol also costs money
    1. NKT
      NKT 14 January 2018 13: 04
      +2
      Why pollute the sea .....
    2. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 14 January 2018 13: 07
      +5
      Moreover, "Zaporozhye" along with a pier welded to it. Though wassat laughing
    3. Dezinto
      Dezinto 14 January 2018 13: 18
      +3
      and sink them somewhere in the shallows

      Different. There are no options at all - we give whine that we give rusty. Do not give - whine that we do not give. Squeeze or cut - in general there will be such squeals !!!
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 14 January 2018 13: 24
        +7
        And what do we care about their whining. Put before the fact - here is your trash, take
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto 14 January 2018 13: 30
          +2
          And what do we care about their whining

          This is certainly, of course. I just fucking and laugh with their strange essence ..))

          "What do you want?
          - mnayaaaaaa
          - here, take it
          - mnayaayayaaaa
          - well, I'll take
          - mnyaaaaayayaya
          laughing

          lol
    4. gm9019
      gm9019 14 January 2018 14: 39
      +1
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      sink them somewhere on the shallows

      not environmentally friendly! but to cut it and for re-melting - that’s it! good
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 14 January 2018 13: 14
    +2
    really, and why do we need this shoe polish ...
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 14 January 2018 13: 28
    +4
    I would give them to the Republics! He carried out redecoration, rearmament, prepared crews, and forward to the service of those who really need it!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 14 January 2018 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      I would give them to the Republics! He carried out redecoration, rearmament, prepared crews, and forward to the service of those who really need it!

      Good idea, but do they have money for this?
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 14 January 2018 19: 30
        0
        Yeah, you might think there will be some money from ukrov.? Do not tell my pima Baloo!
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 14 January 2018 19: 39
          +2
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          Yeah, you might think there will be some money from ukrov.? Do not tell my pima Baloo!

          Darn your pima and good mood to you. It was a question of transferring to the militias whether they had the opportunity to repair, maintain, maintain ships. hi
          1. Evgeniy667b
            Evgeniy667b 14 January 2018 19: 45
            0
            My ammunition is in perfect condition, you don’t need to darn anything. laughing laughing laughing And all the best to you! A "macaque" reminds someone of something.
            1. Baloo
              Baloo 14 January 2018 20: 02
              +2
              Quote: Evgeniy667b
              My ammunition is in perfect condition, you don’t need to darn anything. laughing laughing laughing And all the best to you! A "macaque" reminds someone of something.

              This is not a macaque, rather the closest descendant of the Neanderthal progenitor of humans. There is a true version that the aliens spoiled everything that moves, hence the different races went. I don’t believe, of course, it was God who created man, but his second wife was seduced by snakes, God was angry and exiled everyone to the earth, including and the snake-snake. And so, you see all of humanity can and would live in heaven in heaven. Of course, one must obey the elders, the pursuit of knowledge is eternal.
  9. bald
    bald 14 January 2018 13: 33
    +1
    Thought about it - not a bad idea disappears.
  10. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2018 13: 34
    +3
    Ukrainian admirals and generals have a massive undermining of the brain and asses.
  11. Berkut154
    Berkut154 14 January 2018 14: 23
    +3
    The 266M sea minesweepers of the project could themselves be restored and accepted into the Navy.
  12. faiver
    faiver 14 January 2018 14: 26
    +2
    by and large do not care what the Ukrainian general says there, but Mr. Shvytkin does not care about the aspect that the vast majority of the Russian population considers the existence of a State Duma stupid? .. hi
    1. gm9019
      gm9019 14 January 2018 14: 42
      +2
      Quote: faiver
      the majority of the population of Russia considers the existence of the State Duma stupid?

      "in the garden of elderberry, and in Kiev - uncle" - a thought here from which side? Or do you want to put your "20 cents" to death, and so that there is no restraint? wassat
      1. faiver
        faiver 14 January 2018 14: 56
        0
        one uncle who is useless for his country answers the same from another country ...
  13. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 14 January 2018 14: 34
    +2
    Why didn’t they send these troughs to the recycler? Even recycling would not have to spend money - local metal hunters would very quickly cope with the task. Copper cables and components with dredges would fall under their onslaught in a couple of days) It was possible to return only embedded boards with the names of boats to the pots.
  14. Glory1974
    Glory1974 14 January 2018 15: 43
    +2
    For some reason, Ukraine does not give us turbines, for which we paid money. And we should just give their technique.
    Requisition in compensation for losses. Why, by the way, is not heard of legal proceedings on the fact of non-fulfillment of contractual obligations.
  15. vissarion
    vissarion 14 January 2018 15: 45
    +1
    Do not write nonsense. Ukraine does not want to take its ships - no, remove all weapons from them, and withdraw the remaining metal into the sea and shoot them as targets for ships and aircraft. Although it will be good. All cars sold in private hands. All income will be. Our people are rugged, cars will lead to a divine form. BMP and tanks disarm and sell to the village. Let them use it as a tractor. And there will be money, and people will say thanks. We must approach the matter in a businesslike way. And everything else is in melolom, for remelting. And there will be income for the treasury, and they will get rid of trash, and there will be no expense for the treasury ..
    1. faiver
      faiver 14 January 2018 17: 09
      +6
      show me that villager who will plow on a tank or bmp laughing
      will fly into the pipe for fuel and lubricants and maintenance laughing
      it's like an electron microscope to hammer nails laughing
  16. Chichikov
    Chichikov 14 January 2018 19: 02
    +2
    Russia's intentions are a “gesture of goodwill,” he stressed.
    I have never met more stupidity! And what else can be done for the sake of "goodwill" to the one who declared you an enemy, accused of assault and seizure of territory, presses Russians in the Donbass, fights with the Russian Orthodox Church, not only proclaimed and conducts frenzied Russophobia, but also passes relevant laws .
    How can I not remember the words of Lavrov, - expressed in relation to Western journalists
  17. iouris
    iouris 15 January 2018 00: 55
    0
    Do not touch famously while lying quietly (folk wisdom). I tried, but did not understand the humor.
    Now is not the political moment to transmit something or even sell to Kiev. All this property should be transferred to the DNI and LC, because for us they are the successors to Ukraine of the 1991 model. Nekhai is sold for scrap, and on the money raised they pay pensions, treat, eliminate the consequences of artillery raids, buy "non-lethal" means of destruction in South Ossetia, etc.
  18. KOMA
    KOMA 15 January 2018 02: 00
    +1
    Almost the entire Ukroflot in August 2011, in the Cossack Bay of Sevastopol.

    I think that he just rotted.
  19. LeonidL
    LeonidL 15 January 2018 03: 18
    0
    This is not stupidity, it’s they who live here in a delirium of their own dreams and historical discoveries! That would not blurt out, licking blurt out!
  20. Azazelo
    Azazelo 15 January 2018 09: 38
    +1
    And we’ll smear the helm in the shit .... everything for Ukraine.
  21. def89
    def89 15 January 2018 09: 58
    0
    A good idea! Why not take advantage?
  22. Hort
    Hort 15 January 2018 10: 33
    0
    But what, cut into metal and sell this stuff more expensive than return?
  23. Old26
    Old26 15 January 2018 11: 37
    +1
    Quote: 210ox
    Behind him screaming and howling ran paranoia ...

    Thank you comrade! Great expression

    Quote: Herkulesich
    I would give them to the Republics! He carried out redecoration, rearmament, prepared crews, and forward to the service of those who really need it!

    The question, of course, is interesting, but one question. But where are these "units" based on the territory of the Republics? Or is it said so, for a red word?
  24. Conductor
    Conductor 15 January 2018 17: 22
    0
    And whatever the Russian Federation does, it will still be wrong, by definition.
  25. Nemesis
    Nemesis 16 January 2018 06: 49
    0
    To give weapons to Bandera is treason, which should be executed ...
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 16 January 2018 22: 07
      +1
      That weapon, and this is scrap metal)))
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 17 January 2018 14: 39
        +1
        T-64 is also scrap metal, and Russians are killed from it in the Donbass ...
  26. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 16 January 2018 22: 07
    0
    Why mine them? Only spend explosives. They will sink even on the way to Odessa. Themselves.
  27. LPD17
    LPD17 17 January 2018 03: 30
    0
    and DPGshnichki then what? why do they come together?
    Where is Ms. Rossyanskaya SMarkovskaya, who is appointed to MUST back in November?

    hiiiiiii)))))))) :: :))))