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US Navy will not purchase new ammunition for destroyers "Zamvolt"

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Destroyers such as "Zamvolt" never got out of a series of long-term failures. A spokesman for the US Navy said that it has not yet decided what shells the LRLAP specialized artillery shells will replace after their cost per piece has increased to the 800 space amount 000 dollars, reports Defense News.


US Navy will not purchase new ammunition for destroyers "Zamvolt"


LRLAP was the only ammunition designed specifically for the Advanced Gun System, and is currently on navy there are about a hundred units purchased back in 2009.

After reducing the number of destroyers, and reducing the total number of projectiles ordered, its cost was simply astronomical, and according to some estimates more than the Tomahawk missile, capable of hitting targets at a greater distance.

Also in 2017, the railgun development program was closed, weapons accelerating projectiles using an electromagnetic pulse. Thus, it turned out that only 20 rocket mines on 80 Tomahawk and air defense complexes remained at Zuwalt.

For the destroyer, the cost of which has already exceeded 3 billion dollars, this is very weak. The most interesting thing is that the management of the fleet seems to be quite happy with the current situation. According to them, they will follow the latest weapons, and if they notice something interesting they will definitely get it.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 12 January 2018 15: 12 New
    +2
    It’s more expensive in weight than gold ... I remember the hammers they had for one and a half thousand dollars ... And that's good ... Greed will destroy them ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 12 January 2018 15: 20 New
      14
      In fact, most of the Zumvolt is hidden under water. This is what it is. Swims on its side and waits in the wings smile
      1. Spez
        Spez 12 January 2018 16: 12 New
        18
        We have something to answer
      2. rice
        rice 12 January 2018 19: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: Thrall
        That's what it is

        laughing with such weapons they are invincible laughing
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 12 January 2018 20: 56 New
        +1
        like galleys, they’ll bite their nose
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 12 January 2018 15: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Vard
      It’s more expensive in weight than gold ... I remember the hammers they had for one and a half thousand dollars ... And that's good ... Greed will destroy them ...

      This is corruption, it and only she destroyed all the great empires .. I think the wait is not very long left ..
    3. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 12 January 2018 17: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      It’s more expensive in weight than gold ... I remember the hammers they had for one and a half thousand dollars ... And that's good ... Greed will destroy them ...

      Russia did not try to sculpt an analogue and the soap bubble burst! And I liked the price - 3 lard of green candy wrappers is something!
      I wonder what else they’ll come up with?
      This is probably:
    4. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 12 January 2018 19: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      Vard Today, 15: 12 New
      It’s more expensive in weight than gold ... I remember the hammers they had for one and a half thousand dollars ... And this is good ... Greed will destroy them ..

      There were times when the US Department of Defense bought toilet lids at $ 8 apiece.
      Now shells at 800 thousand dollars apiece ... What can I say? People grow up, they’re tired of trifling through their pockets.
      But in truth, these shells fade before several trillions of dollars that they saw during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
      What will the Defense Ministry guys do when these wars end? With such income, they will never end. Well, at least until the last beneficiary retires.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 12 January 2018 21: 08 New
        +2
        These guys will either die out all at once (miraculously) or they will stir up a new war. hi
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 12 January 2018 15: 13 New
    11
    Yes, yes, not so long ago, some expert wrote that an iron, floating, will approach our, not our shore, INVISIBLE ??? and how it throws us shells, kilo so with over 100 !!!! and everything is unrequited, and everything is right on target !!!!
    And hde now at the expert ???
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 12 January 2018 19: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      rocket757 Today, 15:13 PM New
      Yes, yes, not so long ago, some expert wrote that an iron, floating, will approach our, not our shore, INVISIBLE ??? and how it throws us shells, kilo so with over 100 !!!! and everything is unrequited, and everything is right on target !!!!
      And hde now at the expert ???

      That expert is also INVISIBLE non. Prepares a sudden salvo under another NICK. But we won’t mix it up by smell.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 January 2018 20: 07 New
        +4
        Hid in fog or ambushed .... I saw such. Only you can’t hide the rotten gut, so I agree that this will manifest itself ... how to express it ??? will appear shorter!
        1. CAT BAIYUN
          CAT BAIYUN 12 January 2018 22: 54 New
          +7
          Hid in fog or ambushed

          .... it is possible that he simply moved to another sect with the proud name "Javelins - this is cool" or to its branch "Flying Penguin - forever defeated." And crap there under another nickname ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 January 2018 23: 28 New
            +4
            We're having dinner Vasily, hello then.
            I have fun today, Puska went for a walk, neighbors' cats started dancing around with songs ... as if they weren't hosting a tournament, I have three cats, as one went on a spree and the others followed, as a rule.
            And with toads it’s really cool !!! There is a sect, there is a cool little bundle, there are enough commercials ... but there are no real combat statistics ??? Honestly, for weapons, this is not good.
            If you think about it, with a floating iron, there are statistics of breakdowns ... a military look is not expected.
            With a flying iron, a similar story, but there the Sinai sons can improve their reputation ... although the pirate raids from under the silence of uh-e-et are weak, and he will not remain a clean iron, they will lick it out as they can and the most stupid corners will be able to round off, at least partially !!!
            So it seems to me !!! And you???
            1. CAT BAIYUN
              CAT BAIYUN 12 January 2018 23: 56 New
              +5
              Evening, Victor hi
              with a floating iron there are statistics of breakdowns ...

              ...absolutely agree.
              Well, I would understand if it was positioned as a ship-laboratory: built, run in, we'll see - it would be more honest ... But no. Spread out, just like a new wonder of the world. They always have this with sales - the main thing is to sell a product that has not yet been created, and you are in chocolate. Regarding the sales of this trough - probably they were going to sell it only to themselves. The dough was sawn to the neck ...
              But with the penguin - they managed to sell enough.
              But I am not so strong in matters of modern aviation that I would discuss this at the expert level. Yes, and much has been written. But, from my point of view, only beautiful planes really fly well. Fu 35 is ugly.
              And the fact that it costs bad money - well, this project was launched for that: For sale for mattresses.
              Our weapon - and this has been repeatedly proved by PRACTICE - always works, almost everywhere, reliably and costs reasonable money. Maybe because we make weapons for war, not for sale ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 January 2018 00: 21 New
                +5
                Oh, it's already night!
                Yankees. Of course, there are still those goats, but you won’t refuse business acumen !!!
                There was a good topic about a test hangar where the Yankees test anti-aircraft systems ... a topic close to me, "dived" deeper and compared it with personal experience. My opinion is that if this “surfaced”, many buyers would buy such a weapon only with a charged colt at their temple.
                That's how they do things !!!
                And then to me in a subject ekspkrt from a sofa presented a claim !!! type F-35 plane is super-duper and is now not so expensive ??? made him a little red-and-white layout with real prices plus costs, and a real layout for weapons and other things ... let him think,
                This is how the maid in USA sects appear. Advertising leaflets are read, but other advertising statues and voila EXPERT is ready.
                It’s funny, but generally it’s a pity for people, they don’t want to think at all with their head !!!
                1. CAT BAIYUN
                  CAT BAIYUN 13 January 2018 00: 56 New
                  +5
                  It’s funny, but generally it’s a pity for people, they don’t want to think at all with their head !!!

                  ... unfortunately, this contingent of people is the products of the system (education, upbringing). The system was broken in the 90s. I stumble, I do not argue. But now we are reaping the benefits.
                  But most people do not want to think. What for? It is, by today's times, an impermissible luxury. Moreover, the media environment allows you to select and use almost any modus operandi in everyday life. The people have few thoughts.
                  And, believe me, here, for example, since you compared ship armaments on your topic, a very large part of active Internet users will not be able to and will not want to do this. Partly - laziness, partly have no idea why .... There are ready-made thoughts. Take, retell and use.
                  I was glad to talk with an adequate person.
                  Regards, I bow. yes
    2. atesterev
      atesterev 13 January 2018 12: 16 New
      +1
      And their company, which makes deadlocks, is called funny: Bath Iron Works. If we take into account that "Iron" in theirs is not only "iron" but also "iron", then the appearance of this ship is very symbolic wink
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2018 16: 24 New
        +3
        It is symbolic!
        This of course is fantasy, at least an exaggeration that a beautiful plane will fly beautifully, a beautiful ship will sail beautifully .... it happened and vice versa! Phantom crocodile, crocodile, saber, instant 15 ugly ducklings, but how effective they were! beauties!
        Although, the iron factory made an iron that looked like an iron !!! Well, how will this iron float ???
  3. Rusland
    Rusland 12 January 2018 15: 13 New
    10
    They even decided not to anchor. smile
    1. Vik66
      Vik66 12 January 2018 15: 17 New
      +2
      Or maybe he has an anchor hanging below the waterline? sad
      1. Rusland
        Rusland 12 January 2018 15: 27 New
        +8
        Maybe for the divers work will be added (to clear shells).
      2. Lexus
        Lexus 12 January 2018 15: 30 New
        +6
        Most likely, the transgender of the American Navy demanded that the anchor be at the back. winked
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 12 January 2018 15: 53 New
          +4
          Lexus hi -Anchor will be kept in the captain’s cabin, and will be issued only under the signature of the Minister of Defense! lol
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 January 2018 16: 16 New
            +3
            hi Herculesych, you can expect anything from these. Therefore, I won’t be surprised if the pirate joke: “An anchor to my bay!” - in the mattress will take on a new meaning. lol
  4. viktorch
    viktorch 12 January 2018 15: 17 New
    +2
    what the crap is written in the article, there can’t be such numbers,
    more likely it is the price of the current niokir projectile program and the price of an experimental batch divided by one hundred pieces, then yes - 80 million bucks, the real price tag for the entire program
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 January 2018 16: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: viktorch
      more likely it is the price of the current niokir projectile program and the price of an experimental batch divided by one hundred pieces, then yes - 80 million bucks, the real price tag for the entire program

      800-900 thousand is the price for 1 serial shell when ordering a batch of 2000 pieces.
      ... due to rising costs resulting from the trimming of the Zumwalt-class destroyer fleet to just three ships, raising individual shell cost to $ 800,000- $ 1 million, about as much as the Tomahawk cruise missile. About 90 rounds had been secured for testing aboard the three hulls, but a full buy of about 2,000 planned rounds would be about $ 1.8- $ 2 billion.

      Moreover, $ 800 apiece is not the cost from the manufacturer, but the target price of the Customer. So that options are possible.
      However, for a projectile with a range of 190 km, a CVT of less than 50 m and GPS-guidance - this is still divine. smile
    2. Jerk
      Jerk 12 January 2018 16: 22 New
      +4
      https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2016/11
      / 07 / new-warships-big-guns-have-no-bullets /
      "$ 800,000 per round or more "
      These are the numbers. The US Navy has been sawing this for a long time. Did you hear about Arly Burke? So they were built as a CHEAP replacement for Ticonderograms, saying "2/3 of the functionality of Ticonderoga for 1/3 of the price" Only ticonderoges are a yard, and Burke is 1,8 yards))) There is a chainsaw such that no Ukrainians can keep up with the cut)))
    3. abc_alex
      abc_alex 12 January 2018 16: 25 New
      +4
      Why crap? If you set the task to make the Tomahawk in 155 mm caliber, accelerated by an artillery shot, then it will cost like the Tomahawk. The crap was the initial statement that such a shell would cost almost 10 dollars a bag.
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 12 January 2018 15: 17 New
    +4
    It’s a pity! Such a money pump was removed from the budget ... 800 tons per shell !!! Gold filling and the tip is apparently diamond laughing
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 12 January 2018 15: 42 New
      +7
      Nefiga trifle - Nehai immediately shoot gold bars from the railgun .......
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 12 January 2018 19: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Solomon Kane

        1
        Solomon Kane Today, 15: 42 ↑ New
        Nefiga trifle - Nehai immediately shoot gold bars from the railgun ....

        For 800 thousand dollars you can buy only 20 kg of gold. In the dimensions of a 155mm shell, a gold blank would weigh 120 kilograms. if you raise the price of the shell only six times, then your proposal could be considered seriously.
  6. Zubr
    Zubr 12 January 2018 15: 18 New
    +4
    Another zilch of money fell apart .. winked three billion apiece, for that kind of money we would have the aircraft carrier himself taught to fly. I exaggerate of course, but that would be enough money for every inhabitant of the planet to build housing and even for the development of personal subsidiary farming would be enough.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 12 January 2018 15: 41 New
      +7
      Nope, the population is as much as 6 billion on the planet. So only $ 0,5 per person comes out .. "It will not be enough! Not enough !!!" (from).
  7. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 12 January 2018 15: 27 New
    +2
    So what, the destroyers will remain unarmed ??))
    Actually, I considered Americans to be pragmatists)
    But, not everything is lost! Fishing rods and spinning in the purchase, and go fishing! tongue laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 January 2018 15: 37 New
      +4
      From it all the fish will run away !!! Would he use Moby Dick to go out ??? He’s all so passionate !!!
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 12 January 2018 15: 51 New
    +3
    Now I would also weld it to the pier, or fasten it to a dozen thick and long chains, so that some kind of attack with the zumwalt did not happen! wassat But in general, what for they built this three inverted irons ??? fool
  9. Dimontius
    Dimontius 12 January 2018 15: 54 New
    +3
    According to them, they will follow the latest weapons, and if they notice something interesting they will definitely get it.]

    Well, let them stand while they rot.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 12 January 2018 16: 38 New
    +5
    The Americans have an interesting pricing for their products in the military-industrial complex. In some cases, it was cheaper to throw packs of money at the enemy and he would roll over from the load than to hit with such a projectile, but what if it were a miss?
    1. jjj
      jjj 12 January 2018 17: 09 New
      +2
      Yes, throwing money at the enemy is an absolute victory
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 12 January 2018 20: 04 New
        +2
        In our country, in this way they have achieved a complete and final victory.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 12 January 2018 20: 10 New
        +3
        But sho, from ancient times it was customary that a donkey loaded with gold opens the gates of a fortress, a city better than a battering ram !!!
  11. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 January 2018 16: 43 New
    +1
    It seems to me that the main reason is
    that the ship was designed taking into account some introductory ones,
    and at present, the real state of the sea has changed a lot.
    And in fact, these ships are turning into very large and expensive targets.
    Well, why invest in a ship that is very expensive to maintain and
    at the same time against a strong enemy, in the calculation for which he was developed,
    this ship is nothing more than a target for practicing firing of the Kyrgyz Republic or even hypersonic weapons.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 12 January 2018 17: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      It seems to me that the main reason is
      that the ship was designed taking into account some introductory ones,
      and at present, the real state of the sea has changed a lot.

      The reason is low-volume. Initially, 28 Zamvolts were planned - and for them the cost of a PSU would be less due to a large series. And for the 3 EM UROs left after all the reductions, the LRLAP shells will really be at the price of a tomahawk - with a batch of only 2000 pieces.
      A similar story was with the Morpehov infantry fighting vehicle: after reducing the number of purchased almost the order, the cost of one infantry fighting vehicle exceeded the cost of "abram".
  12. shans2
    shans2 12 January 2018 16: 44 New
    +1
    with the F-35 the most interesting is yet to come, when they will try to use them in combat conditions)
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 12 January 2018 19: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: shans2

      0
      shans2 Today, 16:44 PM New
      with the F-35 the most interesting is yet to come, when they will try to use them in combat conditions)

      Is not a fact. At one time, for example, the F-111 at the development stage was an endless nightmare with more than two dozen disasters. The military tests failed - of the six aircraft sent to Vietnam, two were immediately lost. But! After the start of mass production and development in the army, the F-111 proved to be a highly efficient and fairly reliable aircraft.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 12 January 2018 21: 24 New
        +3
        A good thing is not a chisel and a pig))
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 12 January 2018 20: 12 New
      +3
      NO, no, no, he's so expensive and beautiful !!!
      Made in mattress, as they proudly say !!!
    3. MadCat
      MadCat 12 January 2018 21: 24 New
      +2
      Quote: shans2
      with the F-35 the most interesting is yet to come, when they will try to use them in combat conditions)

      F35 allows you to use any weapon that was on the F15 and F16, the cost of the F35 is already lower than some 4th generation aircraft.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 January 2018 22: 21 New
        +5
        Facts on the table.
        And any weapons that have already been, is that a great achievement? or urgent need.
        pzhlst metric, i.e. how much is the flight hour, regulations, those maintenance, equipment and rigging for this particular aircraft .... and many, many other expenses, jambs of imperfection and other inconveniences that stretch behind it with a train.
        In short, everything that is not written in advertising booklets, so sofa strategists do not think \ know that all this is necessary \ is !!! and for all this you will have to pay not frail grandmothers !!!
        Now think, you can defend your point of view, or is it better to simply shed it, like so many others ...
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 14 January 2018 01: 41 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Facts on the table.
          And any weapons that have already been, is that a great achievement? or urgent need.

          In Google banned, go and look for your facts, you strange people. Everything is worth the money, the fourth generation also does not fly for free. Eurofighter flight is not cheaper.
          And now turn on your thread in the brain, why do I need to prove something to the terry uryayaampampamam? It's like talking to a pigeon, adies. hi
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 14 January 2018 11: 56 New
            +3
            Right. parrots.
            They don’t know how to prove their own thing, but analysts and evidence also go there.
            And by the way, I did not say that the iron is bad, even floating, even flying, and such a program was not needed! These are steps into the future, it does not happen, the mistakes of failure are also a result, albeit an expensive one.
            And I am very respectful of the Yankees in terms of progress and new technologies.
            One must be able to prove one's point of view or not have what is best to prove.
  13. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 12 January 2018 17: 03 New
    +5
    The most interesting thing is that the fleet management seems to be quite comfortable with the current situation.

    Why not? They do not spend their own money, but taxpayers. They don’t have a drum at all .. Moreover, printing this cut paper is not at all difficult.
  14. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 January 2018 17: 46 New
    +1
    Why the fleet? They get three of the latest missile cruisers with 80 cruise missiles each. A new generation of LRASM anti-ship missiles are starting to launch in a series. And without super-long-range artillery there is a missile "long arm".
  15. Govorun
    Govorun 12 January 2018 19: 46 New
    0
    ... the cost per unit increased to a cosmic sum of $ 800, Defense News reports.
    I’m more interested in who will deduct the cost of this projectile in case of a miss ... Probably at such prices for the projectile it will be easier to pay off than shoot at the enemy ...
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 13 January 2018 22: 17 New
      0
      The range of this shell is up to 150 km. He has a GOS. KVO - 10 m (like a Caliber rocket) In practice, this is a rocket launched through the barrel.
  16. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 January 2018 19: 53 New
    0
    It was not worth them to start this radio iron ...
  17. Alf
    Alf 12 January 2018 21: 17 New
    0
    and if they notice something interesting they will definitely get it.

    And then they will think about where to put it on Zumwalt.
    the development of railguns, weapons of dispersal shells with the help of an electromagnetic pulse.

    This is not a railgun, it is a scam that accelerates grandfather's pockets with cosmic speed.
    if they notice something interesting

    In terms of interesting things, it’s for independent people. Every day there are supernews of weapons that have no analogues. By the way, these supernews also pass on the Stealth category.
  18. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 12 January 2018 21: 22 New
    +5
    Here is squalor ... Iron unfinished.
  19. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 12 January 2018 22: 58 New
    +6
    What the hell is this projectile iron? Well, judge for yourselves: the Papuans and pirates from Somalia will be scared of one kind of this misunderstanding, but this miracle of new technologies will not come close to a probable adversary - it’s stupid because ... You don’t need to shoot in the first or second scenario: in the first case, the enemy will flee and so, and in the second case one iron will be less (shoot, do not shoot). So there is no need to spend money on shells.
    ..... what else surprises me: where are all our liberals? Why don’t they howl their duty songs about the fact that “it would be better if they had a hospital (a kindergarten, a school, a shelter for the homeless, a hospital for drug addicts) to build on this money!”