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The commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine commented on Putin’s proposal to transfer ships from the Crimea

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The proposal of the Russian President Vladimir Putin on the return to Ukraine of warships in the Crimea, must be carefully studied, reports RIA News statement of the Navy Commander, Vice Admiral Igor Voronchenko.


The commander of the Naval Forces of Ukraine commented on Putin’s proposal to transfer ships from the Crimea


This requires a very careful study so that we do not remain a bargaining chip,
Voronchenko said on the 112 Ukraine channel.

According to him, the proposal to transfer the ships to Kiev may be hiding "some kind of Kremlin game."

The commander stressed that the final decision on this issue will be made "at the level of the highest political leadership of the state."

According to the information available to Voronchenko, most of the equipment remaining in the Crimea was allegedly repaired by Ukrainian specialists. According to him, “of the eight warships, only the large landing ship Konstantin Olshansky was not on the move.” In addition, the corvette "Lutsk" was being repaired, "but it was almost repaired."

Corvettes "Ternopil", "Pridneprovye", "Khmelnitsky" on the move, two minesweepers "Cherkasy" and "Chernigov" on the move ... The submarine 70 percent was repaired, there was a need to replace the valves,
he said.

The commander added that in the Crimea, the BTR remained for two battalions and infantry fighting vehicles, also for two battalions.

They were almost ready, interest on the 15-20 was subject to repair,
he noted.

Recall, on Thursday during a meeting with the heads of the Russian media, Vladimir Putin said that Russia was ready to transfer warships and aircraft from the Crimea to Ukraine, noting that it was “in a deplorable state”.
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  1. pvv113
    pvv113 12 January 2018 10: 03
    33
    He will sit still, think and say that all the equipment was of the first category
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 12 January 2018 10: 11
      16
      The stump is clear: Voronchenko saw the brilliance of the "HALYAVA" star and now he is feverishly thinking about how to get his interest from this. lol
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2018 10: 13
        23
        behind the proposal to transfer ships to Kiev may be hiding "a certain game of the Kremlin"
        .... such a "fleet" will ruin Ukraine in the trash ...
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 12 January 2018 10: 17
          10
          unprincipled freeloaders pecked at competent trolling
        2. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 12 January 2018 10: 17
          20
          Ukraine received "its" fleet after separation from the USSR.
          Following the same course, Crimea separated from Ukraine. Therefore, everything that was in the Crimea now belongs to the Crimea.
          Otherwise, Ukraine must return everything to Russia, since it is Russia that is the legal successor of the USSR.
          1. Antares
            Antares 12 January 2018 22: 41
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Krajina received its “own” fleet after separation from the USSR.
            Following the same course, Crimea separated from Ukraine. Therefore, everything that was in the Crimea now belongs to the Crimea.

            The fleet, which was in Ukrainian Sevastopol, was divided between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. So the territorial affiliation of the base city and the peninsula did not play a role in the sole assignment of the fleet (it is still divided between the two). The fleet and property of Ukraine (for example, military) cannot be Crimea because it did not become independent, but only changed the port of registry. In addition, there is no agreement anywhere on the transfer of ships to the "Crimean fleet" as well as international agreements on the "division of the Ukrainian fleet" between the Crimea and Ukraine. Moreover, the seizure of Ukrainian bases and property is also not interpreted as a "transition".
            Everything again rests against the original agreement on the division of the USSR fleet (between Ukraine and the Russian Federation), it is valid. And Crimea didn’t spend the night here (part of Ukraine, part of the Russian Federation) because it did not become independent.

            Quote: Vladimir16
            Otherwise, Ukraine must return everything to Russia, since it is Russia that is the legal successor of the USSR.

            The assignment concerned exclusively a place in the UN, financial assets and liabilities in Moscow, property abroad, etc. I read about this "legal succession" - it does not give anything in such matters. Even legally.
        3. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 January 2018 10: 19
          +6
          Andrey Yuryevich hi Are you hinting that Ukraine and the existing fleet do not have enough funds, but here they still throw "parasites"? wink
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 12 January 2018 10: 32
            +9
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter

            hi , Paul.
            The bottom line is that Crimea really needs to be cleaned of rusty iron (like the northern territories and the Kuril Islands). Butchering on site, loading and transporting for re-melting is an expensive pleasure. It is better to give the iron to the skakuas on the beads.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 January 2018 10: 37
              +5
              Leo, my respect! hi So after all, they also saw here the "treacherous plan of the Kremlin." Paranoid ...
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 12 January 2018 10: 49
                +7
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                So after all, they also saw here the "treacherous plan of the Kremlin"


                Exactly. Oh, that cunning and omnipresent Putin .... And the pestilent built a bridge to the Crimea, and threatens to close the gas transit, and bypassed the railway a little, and dill the aspirations of the Ukropska for the “blue helmets” in Donbass .... Straight - trouble.
          2. pvv113
            pvv113 12 January 2018 11: 51
            +4
            They say that in Ukraine there are more admirals than ships lol
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 January 2018 11: 52
              +5
              That you sho ??? Shamelessly lie! laughing
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 12 January 2018 11: 57
                +5
                Do you speak lies? Are there really no ships at all?
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 12 January 2018 12: 00
                  +4
                  Volodya, I didn’t say that. lol
          3. Piramidon
            Piramidon 12 January 2018 12: 03
            +1
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Andrey Yuryevich hi Are you hinting that Ukraine and the existing fleet do not have enough funds, but here they still throw "parasites"? wink

            What is offered to return to Ukraine is fully reflected in the photo to the article. Only in re-melting. As combat units, these troughs will not add any weight to the Navy.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 January 2018 12: 07
              +4
              This is understandable, my comment is actually irony. yes
            2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 12 January 2018 12: 26
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              What is offered to return to Ukraine is fully reflected in the photo to the article. Only in re-melting. As combat units, these troughs will not add any weight to the Navy.

              There are not all trash ships. Corvette "Ternopil" like - the freshest, 11 years since the date of commissioning. “Lutsk” has already exceeded 20 years.
              1. 97110
                97110 13 January 2018 14: 21
                +1
                Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
                There are not all trash ships.

                A ship without a crew usually sinks in the 2-3rd year. It’s drowning itself, without the intrigues of the insidious Kremlin. At the wall. I don’t know about ships, I don’t know statistics. But I suspect that the differences are not so great, and for 3 years a ship without a crew will sink near the wall.
        4. Shura Sailors
          Shura Sailors 12 January 2018 13: 12
          +3
          Well, that's the calculation, as I understand it. It is unprofitable to contain unfortunate armored boats, but here they offer "almost corvettes". Only I am tormented by vague doubts about the combat readiness of these ships (especially the Zaporozhye submarine, which has "... just problems with the valves ..."). Yes, and they need to arm (and where to get it?).
          But armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles come in handy (but after repair)
      2. pvv113
        pvv113 12 January 2018 10: 22
        +4
        I agree, without this there can be no
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 12 January 2018 10: 51
        +3
        It is more expensive to dispose of this household than scrap metal itself. What could any "friends" finally incapacitate. Every day storing this junk is worth the money. Let them think what to do with this trash. And finally, “overhaul thoroughly !!” That would no longer be repairable.
    2. vkl.47
      vkl.47 12 January 2018 10: 13
      +6
      They would leave surface targets as targets
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 12 January 2018 11: 02
        +2
        They want to extract a freebie wink
    3. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 12 January 2018 10: 14
      +3
      Is the submarine 70% repaired which is in the picture at the pier? if it is she, then not only will she not need the valves; she will not be helped by anything, only to the scrap. wassat
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 12 January 2018 10: 23
        +8
        Which in the photo - that is 99% repaired wink
        1. cost 75
          cost 75 12 January 2018 10: 29
          +4
          Quote: pvv113
          Which in the photo - that is 99% repaired wink

          Current paint left and go into the depths.
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 January 2018 10: 33
            +3
            Quote: kos 75
            forward to the depths.

            Well, yes - only in the depths lol
          2. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 12 January 2018 21: 47
            0
            Why paint, it already has a very suitable color for "immersion" in depth according to the fashion for the coloring of wooden pea jackets (even marine terminology)
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 12 January 2018 21: 24
          +1
          In the photo - "Bentos" that sticks out in the Cossack Bay. It seems that the Soviet scientific boat was.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 12 January 2018 11: 37
        +5
        Quote: Spartanez300
        Is the submarine 70% repaired which is in the picture at the pier?

        Here is a photo of the Zaporozhye submarine as of early April 2014.

        The boat for Ukraine was repaired by 13 SRZ of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation - because its previous repair in Ukraine turned into a manger without visible results. One epic with batteries is worth: proudly abandoned the "native" Russian, bought imported through third hands (twice as much), brought - do not climb.
        After repairs to the 13th Shipyard, the boat could not only dive on its own, but also float on its own. smile
        1. Sasha_Sar
          Sasha_Sar 12 January 2018 15: 00
          0
          And why Russian flags on the DPL?
    4. seti
      seti 12 January 2018 10: 19
      10
      It is clear that this is a smart move on GDP. The ships that they decided to convey in such a dilapidated condition that naturally do not represent any combat value. Tanks planes and other equipment that they also plan to transfer are most likely also "finalized". In the sense that everything valuable and represents value is removed, but what remains is rusty scrap metal. Yes, and the transmission can be delayed for months .. And demand compensation for delivery and transportation .. The property is not ours but it is expensive to carry on. So it’s not a fact that this junk will generally start.
      But the political PR is big - look, we give the country 4о4 its property. Do not want to take? Well, what have we got to do with it - our side is the matter, and we are ready to give right now.
    5. KVU-NSVD
      KVU-NSVD 12 January 2018 10: 37
      +6
      Translated from cunningly cut into ordinary language, it sounds something like this - “We would have taken it if it were nicer, and we don’t know where to put our scrap metal from piers”
    6. solovald
      solovald 12 January 2018 11: 09
      +6
      "... Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... three jackets." fellow
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 12 January 2018 11: 34
        +2
        Judging by Voronchenko’s appetite, this is what’s going on
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 12 January 2018 14: 47
          +1
          Volodya, welcome hi Then it will sound like this:
          "... three submarines, three base minesweepers, three corvettes, a large landing ship ... three ships"
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 12 January 2018 15: 08
            +2
            Hello, Sergey!
            ... and three inflatable boats (domestic) wink
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 12 January 2018 20: 18
              +1
              "... the dog with the police came!" good drinks
    7. Andrey K
      Andrey K 12 January 2018 11: 45
      +7
      Quote: pvv113
      ... He will sit still, think and say that all the equipment was of the first category ...

    8. Fitter65
      Fitter65 12 January 2018 14: 15
      +1
      Quote: pvv113
      He will sit still, think and say that all the equipment was of the first category

      No, he’s thinking, though only a man’s spinal cord, so in a few days he will say that all the equipment was just from the factory, and didn’t go down by 404 due to the lack of trained personnel. RF HAS BEEN LONG-TERMINATED.
    9. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 12 January 2018 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: pvv113
      He will sit still, think and say that all the equipment was of the first category


      That’s already said) Type of Zaporozhye submarine was almost ready to go to sea))) So the thought must be returned to its owner) Urgent ...
  2. igorka357
    igorka357 12 January 2018 10: 04
    +5
    Type take away your trash .. and without him there are enough worries in Crimea ..?
    1. The black
      The black 12 January 2018 10: 21
      +7
      Maybe even creamy mvslom each ukrokorato cover and wrap in lard? laughing .... but in general - nefig with ukrovermahtom to make any transactions .... to melt this junk ... Scrap and we need. The Nazis left a lot of it in our land in the USSR, everything went into action.
      1. andre
        andre 12 January 2018 11: 08
        0
        Trolling is that if they agree to pick it up, then the territory is not theirs. It's like taking furniture after leaving the apartment !!
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 12 January 2018 11: 50
          0
          Quote: andre
          Trolling is that if they agree to pick it up, then the territory is not theirs. It's like taking furniture after leaving the apartment !!

          Moreover! After all, according to their statements, we are at war - we are aggressors. Imagine what it looks like - the aggressor gives weapons for free to the victim of the aggressor ...
      2. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 12 January 2018 11: 16
        +1
        Disposal is also an expensive pleasure, and the place in warehouses must be freed up under normal equipment. Is there a rusty trough place at the berth, why is it needed? Let them take it away.
      3. 97110
        97110 13 January 2018 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: Black
        .... but in general - nefig with ukrovermahtom go for any transactions ...

        Calculate and set environmental damage. More publicities, experts in NATO countries to search among the greens. They are on the head, must be contrived. And loudly and loudly brand Ukraine, to glorify the main enemy of nature on the Black Sea. Where are our "fighters" from near Adler? Urgent battle!
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 January 2018 10: 05
    +5
    This requires a very careful study so that we do not remain a bargaining chip,
    And what is there to study, you, that scrap metal is not needed? True, from the statement of the Ukrainian “Black Sea” one can understand that if you return it repaired, because at that time we (Ukraine) repaired (lies) 70%, then you can take it.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 12 January 2018 10: 07
    +4
    ... it’s cheaper for us to get rid of the trash than to keep it ... ukrokakly anyway pull away the metal ... bully
    1. 97110
      97110 13 January 2018 14: 38
      +1
      Quote: aszzz888
      it’s cheaper for us to get rid of trash than to keep it ..

      And who knows what and how they contain it? On the balance sheet is not worth it, no Russian office has the right to spend money from the budget. This abandoned property became a hindrance along the way, it is necessary to clean the place for the following projects.
  5. CARLSON
    CARLSON 12 January 2018 10: 08
    +5
    I understand that the boat was welded to the pier so that it wouldn’t drown while the valves would be changed and judging by safety measures they should have been changed through the bottom of the boat.
    And the concept of "on the go" implies the possibility of towing without instant flooding when returning moorings
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 12 January 2018 10: 38
      +2
      Of the boats, the Navy had only "Zaporozhye" pr. 641 which did not sink because was broken and it was extremely difficult to fix it.
      Now Zaporozhye is in Sevastopol and I think no one will give it back (in fact, its combat value will even tend to zero in working order). It would be better if we made a museum out of it. The last boat of this project remained (at the Black Sea Fleet for sure)
  6. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 12 January 2018 10: 08
    +7

    A fifteen minute dialogue with a Ukrainian politician recorded before the 2014 Maidan.
    If you want to cheer yourself up, I advise you to view it.)))
    1. sss
      sss 12 January 2018 10: 26
      0
      clowning at the level of a cheap club gum!
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. a housewife
      a housewife 12 January 2018 11: 12
      +1
      The tale of how Lutsenko captured Frankfurt Airport with the help of Albanians and a six-barreled machine gun! They can not be stopped !!!! wassat wassat wassat wassat good It seems to me that this tovarisch intentionally scoffs at the scarecrow!
    4. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 12 January 2018 12: 30
      0
      PPC !!!)) Sayeret Matkal, our sunflowers, nervously smoking aside)))
      What substances need to be used to "drive" SUCH ???
      Terminators ... laughing laughing
    5. Galan
      Galan 12 January 2018 12: 37
      0
      What kind of people who have such politicians? But his ideas that the stolen official will steal less found “a response in the hearts of the pan-and-headed” and they chose both Poroshenko and the whole BP. Not a country, but a psychiatric hospital, which is no longer subject to treatment, only complete destruction, nothing will help there.
    6. NOMADE
      NOMADE 12 January 2018 13: 54
      0
      Thank you, kind man!)) For a long time I didn’t laugh))!
    7. APASUS
      APASUS 12 January 2018 21: 40
      0
      Quote: Yuri Nikolayevich

      A fifteen minute dialogue with a Ukrainian politician recorded before the 2014 Maidan.
      If you want to cheer yourself up, I advise you to view it.)))

      The cat is YES!
      Our rush is just resting
      https://rutube.ru/video/550fdc46c565c4dee524324c8
      589be2b /
  7. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 12 January 2018 10: 10
    +1
    drags on a couple of times and it turns out that everything new was there
  8. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 12 January 2018 10: 21
    +1
    According to him, "of the eight warships, only the large landing ship Konstantin Olshansky was not in motion." In addition, the Lutsk corvette was under repair, “but was practically repaired.”
    They were all from the stocks only. good
    They were almost ready, interest on the 15-20 was subject to repair,
    "Practically, soon, already, now, almost,": keywords for this state lol
    According to him, the proposal to transfer the ships to Kiev may be hiding "some kind of Kremlin game."
    Apparently they again want to sell themselves at a higher price. what
  9. forester
    forester 12 January 2018 10: 21
    +1
    The utilization of this metal scrap will cost us a pretty penny, so we decided to shake off - and rightly, let the banderlogs practice)))
  10. Egorovich
    Egorovich 12 January 2018 10: 22
    +6
    What to think then, take how much scrap metal is wasted for nothing.
  11. trophy
    trophy 12 January 2018 10: 32
    +8
    Here in LDNR, apparently, they will be very happy with such a pas from our side to plow towards the ruins. Even if this is rubbish (I'm talking about land equipment), then it’s quite suitable as a “donor”. Again, did they decide to lick someone in the light of the upcoming sanctions against GDP and Co.? So it is unlikely to help. If the flag was lowered at the Olympics and does not help, then it certainly will not work. It is necessary not "more often" but "deeper".
    1. BLOND
      BLOND 12 January 2018 10: 48
      +4
      Vladimir Putin said that Russia was ready to transfer warships and aircraft from the Crimea to Ukraine, while noting that it was “in poor condition”.

      Why read between the lines, read the letters!
      And about donors ... You are an optimist! )))
      26 years of Independence, all donors are milked and twisted
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 12 January 2018 11: 11
        +2
        Quote: BLOND
        26 years of Independence, all donors are milked and twisted

        And they are all fighting and fighting. It can be seen not as bad as it seems. As well as we still do not stretch our legs, as they draw
  12. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 12 January 2018 10: 34
    +4
    Another cunning plan of Putin. As they used to say - if you want to ruin a neighbor - give him an old foreign car. There is a complete analogy. Voronchenko probably understands the catch, but how to explain this to the Ukoain philistine with brainwashed that he must refuse to return the whole military "fleet", he did not have enough imagination. The next “pitchforks” - the emblem of the unblinking ones or something that attracts them - like similar to similar.
  13. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 12 January 2018 10: 46
    +1
    It’s a good idea to give rusty scrap metal to Hohland, we don’t need it, but they will do just fine for them.
  14. Vitas
    Vitas 12 January 2018 10: 47
    +2
    I hope the battalion kits will not reach the Donbass. But the ships must be given, their budget will be low, their ships will still be idle, and we will be freed from the trash.
    1. Methane
      Methane 12 January 2018 12: 14
      +1
      Quote: Vitas
      I hope the battalion kits will not reach the Donbass. But the ships must be given, their budget will be low, their ships will still be idle, and we will be freed from the trash.

      They get there. Where do they go ...
  15. demo
    demo 12 January 2018 10: 48
    10
    It doesn’t matter what condition the equipment was in.
    In the hands of a madman, even a rusty knife is a dangerous weapon.
    Another thing is important.
    How is our President blurted out (I apologize for the slang)?
    The fact that our businessmen, their mother’s children, sell everything that is possible and impossible to Ukraine is a well-known fact.
    DT, engine for infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers, spare parts for cars. Repair of SUSHK and MIGs with whose help was carried out?
    Just do not say that they removed from one and put on another.
    And if not directly, then through a twisted "dad" they deliver.
    And then the President took it and became generous.
    How can someone supply something demoniac?
    Where will it be applied? Against who? But what about the statement, "that we will not allow the Russian population to be massacred in the Donbass" !?
    Where is the logic? And where is conscience?
    But what about the anti-Russian bacchanalia of the Kiev regime? Friendly gesture?
    So the Americans with their Javelins are villains. And we will give them ships, tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, here you please.
    Probably also need to be repaired and ammunition loaded?

    It is clear that it is simply impossible to take and dispose of. It seems to be like someone else's property.
    But do we keep it?
    Protect?
    It costs money?
    Invoice. Refuse to pay (unequivocally), then to court. You can to Amsterdam. You can to London. Where is more convenient for you.
    Pay the money - take it.
    But make claims so that it is cheaper to quit.

    GDP speaks well when speechwriters prepared a text for it.
    And when he improvises, then he gives such blunders!
    1. corporal
      corporal 12 January 2018 11: 54
      0
      Quote: demo
      How can someone supply something demoniac?
      Where will it be applied? Against who?

      Really
      warships and aircraft from Crimea
      and where will it be applied? wassat
    2. Methane
      Methane 12 January 2018 12: 04
      +6
      Yes, yes! This is still life, the first grade ... Well, how do you command me to understand this, mother-mate? Isn’t that a kind of gesture of goodwill? Wait, they say, dear "partners" with mattresses led by tenderness and delight to go away and run away, pulling up your pants, sanctions to be removed? In 2014, when the movement began, our 34ki peeled off that would be at least something, at least somehow ... and at that time from Crimea trains to Dill perli with automotive equipment, BT, artillery systems and streaky "nishtyaki" that dill restored ... Well, that’s it, huh? We have macaroni with wagons with one hand and weapons with dill with the other, so what? ... Zhaveliny, znachitstsa, ento gasoline a bonfire, and ento doesn’t get gas? It’s interesting! ... A deplorable state ... They’ll get you into the hut from this “deplorable state” with a high-explosive fragmentation, what then do you sing? Okay ... “Work, brothers” Greetings from Donetsk !

      You, friends, do not seek. Truly, I write from heart disease ... I, of course, in the third person ... It is dreary and dirty at heart from ..., in short, you understand.
      1. Antares
        Antares 12 January 2018 22: 46
        0
        Quote: Methane
        Wait, they say, dear "partners"

        partners have neither the Ukrainian people nor the Russian-only partnership interests. So we are only hostages of interests with virtual borders.
        1. Methane
          Methane 12 January 2018 23: 51
          0
          Quote: Antares
          Quote: Methane
          Wait, they say, dear "partners"

          partners have neither the Ukrainian people nor the Russian-only partnership interests. So we are only hostages of interests with virtual borders.

          Yes, that’s clear ...
  16. a housewife
    a housewife 12 January 2018 10: 52
    +2
    Yesterday's news when my husband and I watched, just had fun. Take away, svidomye your iron and ammunition! The truth is rotten. So come and dispose of on-site at your own expense !!! That is, if they don’t arrive, but ours themselves will be disposed of, it’s possible for them to bill them for their pieces of iron! And the second thing that made laugh was how German traffic cops detained Americans on the road. Those are so insolent !! At home, they would not have allowed military equipment to crawl along the roads without documents, approvals, with such violations. The Germans drove them to the side of the road, clipped them, and they would also pay a lot of fines. Finally they were given to understand - you are not at home in Europe! The Baltic states could not have dreamed of such a terrible dream!
  17. dvvv
    dvvv 12 January 2018 10: 55
    0
    in principle, if Ukraine counts, then maybe it’s profitable if it is cut to metal, and Russia simply PR’s Putin before the election
  18. Prosha
    Prosha 12 January 2018 11: 03
    0
    70 percent has been repaired

    Translated from Ukrainian army - fully painted laughing
  19. sgr291158
    sgr291158 12 January 2018 11: 19
    0
    Now their brain is tearing apart, what should I do? It seems like a freebie, but on the other hand what to do with it.
  20. atos_kin
    atos_kin 12 January 2018 11: 28
    +1
    to transfer warships and aircraft to Ukraine

    Russian warships and aircraft are ready to hand over the president to Ukraine
  21. Ural resident
    Ural resident 12 January 2018 11: 31
    +6
    The farther the merrier. Now we will arm the APU.
    In 2014, the tanks were taken out of the Crimea - even though everyone shouted that they were worthless - they were safely repaired and sent to the Donbass. Now, after all the threats, we will also strengthen the enemy’s fleet for free, if only we were forgiven for the Crimea. Somehow this asymmetric HPP-shny response is already annoying the enemy. They are sabotaging us in the Crimea - they are launching rockets nearby, and we are giving them weapons - "just don’t hit" ... We are all waiting for Mordor to calm down if he is fed.
    1. Methane
      Methane 12 January 2018 12: 23
      +1
      Vo-in. Here and I above about the same.
  22. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 12 January 2018 11: 33
    0
    "... the former Minister of Defense of Ukraine Yuriy Yekhanurov in an interview with 112 Ukraine explained that this equipment back in 2014" is outdated and is scrap metal, which business people of Ukraine will gladly accept and hand it over "
    https://news.rambler.ru/ukraine/36725149-kiev-nac
    hal-podschety-posle-predlozheniya-putina-vernut-k
    orabli /
  23. KVashentcev
    KVashentcev 12 January 2018 11: 57
    0
    I give an honest noble word. Everything, everything, shaw acquired overwork, nevertheless perished! Three tape recorders, three movie cameras abroad, three domestic cigarette cases, a suede jacket ... Three. Jackets And they are still fighting for the honorary title of "home of a high culture of everyday life," huh?
  24. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 12 January 2018 12: 02
    +2
    Do not give a single rusty nut to the Kiev junta !!! All that we return will be turned against us ...
  25. Galan
    Galan 12 January 2018 12: 05
    0
    "... the Lutsk corvette was under repair," but was practically repaired. "
    Acts of acceptance of work performed were signed retroactively, ship repair firms received money for repairs, and distributed kickbacks. Go check what condition it was. The operation is purely in the style of the Ukrainian "elite". It looks like V.V. Putin wants the transfer of the fleet to initiate in Ukraine checks and counts stolen by military Ukrainians. Here are the lackeys and fuss, pan can kick their forelocks for not sharing
  26. Methane
    Methane 12 January 2018 12: 19
    0
    Quote: Alexey RA
    After repairs to the 13th Shipyard, the boat could not only dive on its own, but also float on its own. smile

    Yeah. Submerged to the upper deck hatch with pontoons under the keel wassat
  27. StobbeS
    StobbeS 12 January 2018 12: 45
    +1
    About a year ago, I flew from Germany to Samara with a transfer in Moscow, and there a conscript (demobil) was flying next to me, so he told me how they collected equipment (mainly metal) from all over Russia and escorted to Crimea to transfer ukra, but that’s all that in Crimea survived 20 years of "independence" and at the same time remained in good condition in the Crimea and remained. So I would not worry about the strengthening of Ukraine by this scrap metal, it can only swim to Odessa)))))
    1. Methane
      Methane 12 January 2018 12: 53
      0
      This is for discharge ...

      https://topwar.ru/?newsid=76482
  28. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 12 January 2018 13: 00
    +2
    Dill ships that remained in the Crimea, where it is better to launch in recycling. What GDP decided to flirt, appease? All slop poured on Russia, and even worse. The guarantor with brains is thin, but dementia however. Ukrov wants to steal! What is it like?
    1. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 13 January 2018 06: 15
      +1
      The stupid offer of GDP to Kiev has already given rise to speculation. They want equipment together with Crimea in addition!?.
  29. Serving the Fatherland
    Serving the Fatherland 12 January 2018 13: 27
    +1
    Wangyu .... A month later they will say that everything was repaired, but Russia broke everything in order to undermine the defense capability of the "Great and most powerful army of Europe" ... And they will demand compensation for this scrap !!!
  30. trophy
    trophy 12 January 2018 13: 39
    +3
    According to the mind, if there is a war going on in the ruin (but it is going on but we are not participating in it, and our propagondons thwarted this to prove it to us) then what should the transfer of military equipment to one of the warring parties be called? In my opinion, as military assistance. For the period of the war, Russia, as a "neutral" country, must intern technology. And do not care what condition she is. The mere fact of the transfer of military equipment to the ruin cannot be called anything other than direct treason. But at least they will burn it and drown it right after transfer to storage places, no difference. From the point of view of propaganda, and of common sense, Russia transferred weapons and military equipment to UKRAINE at war with the Russians in the Donbass. The Supreme has completely wandered from grief or from the hopeless whining of his homies which pin-ups will soon be allowed around the world if he carries such nonsense. But esche and can create.
    1. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 12 January 2018 14: 46
      +2
      In / in Ukraine they say that we are at war with them. If the "aggressor" transfers weapons to the defending side, what is it called? Humanitarian mission! laughing
  31. bogart047
    bogart047 12 January 2018 15: 46
    0
    let's give something else ... otherwise, there’s nothing to shoot at our people from ...
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 12 January 2018 16: 01
    0
    This requires very careful study, so that we do not remain a bargaining chip.
    Fool, they have long been this very thing! sad
  33. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 12 January 2018 17: 03
    0
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    bratchanin3 Today, 10:46 AM New
    It’s a good idea to give rusty scrap metal to Hohland, we don’t need it, but they will do just fine for them.


    Ratmir_Ryazan Today, 12: 02 New
    Do not give a single rusty nut to the Kiev junta !!! All that we return will be turned against us ...

    Today at 13.00 in the program "60 minutes" Boris Nadezhdin with a calculator calculated how much Russia will cost to transfer one ship (weight, according to him, 20 tons). With the delivery of scrap metal in Russia - it will be, it will be - wow! And if all the ships - it will be hoo hoo hoo wink Overseas heifers - half .... .... they still need to be cut, but it costs a lot of money. How many more of them, their own, in ship dumps ...
    1. 97110
      97110 13 January 2018 15: 03
      +1
      Quote: Sewer Krainiy
      How many more of them, their own, in ship dumps ...

      Hire a brigade from Donetsk ... At the mother-in-law in the garden, the trolley was buried, a type tank under water. There is metal ... well, Donetsk people know. Without traces of using the equipment, the trolley disappeared. And the neighbors too - were gone. There is no entrance, the path between the fences - was carried away on your hands? And the ships will be carried away without a trace, just announce which night they will not guard.
  34. Wolka
    Wolka 12 January 2018 18: 40
    0
    really, why do we need this Ukrainian trash
  35. PValery53
    PValery53 12 January 2018 19: 31
    0
    Take your nautical nonsense. "
  36. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 12 January 2018 21: 13
    0
    Quote:
    "Behind the proposal to transfer ships to Kiev may be hiding" a certain game of the Kremlin "
    (end of quote).

    The proposal to transfer the ships to Kiev hides solely the desire that these rusty buckets be transferred for subsequent self-flooding to Odessa, after which they would pollute the local and not Sevastopol water area.
    1. Antares
      Antares 12 January 2018 23: 03
      0
      Quote: Metallurg_2
      buckets were transferred for subsequent self-flooding to Odessa,

      It all depends on what we will do (which is also a big question, not a few examples, which is not always good)
      On January 11, Putin announced that Russia was ready to transfer warships and aircraft from the occupied Crimea to Ukraine. “Taking this opportunity ... I want to say, we are ready to continue this process: we are ready to transfer warships to Ukraine, which are still in the Crimea, ready to transfer aircraft and armored vehicles. True, she is in such a deplorable state, but it’s not our business anymore, she was practically like that, she hasn’t been served by anyone over the years, of course, ”Putin said at a meeting with heads of Russian media and news agencies. According to him, we are talking about dozens of ships and combat aircraft.

      Armored vehicles and aircraft, definitely come in handy. Now they are recovering such that the Crimean one seems normal. A strengthening of the wing and armored vehicles is necessary.
      As for the ships, the most difficult question. On the one hand, now we can’t finance the fleet because the ground forces, which we need more than the demonstration of the flag. But you never know what ... I would do-give, take it. The same Olshansky would be useful
      To date, 17 ships, boats and vessels remained in Crimea, including 11 warships, including the large landing ship Konstantin Olshansky, the control ship Slavutich, the anti-submarine corvettes Ternopol and Lutsk, and sea minesweepers Cherkasy "And" Chernihiv ", a large submarine" Zaporozhye ", the rescue tug" Kremenets "and others.

      The last time they brought such rubbish to the raids of the Sea Terminal, I didn’t even see such people in the septic tanks in such a state ... but a couple of years they brought me into a divine way. Maybe in Odessa it will at least be a fleet, and not like in Sevastopol - a disgrace ...
      In general, it now depends on diplomats - the mechanism has been worked out for the first time. All you need is consent, a commission, and more.
      1. Evgeniy667b
        Evgeniy667b 13 January 2018 06: 37
        +1
        Armored vehicles and aircraft, definitely come in handy. Now they are recovering such that the Crimean one seems normal. A strengthening of the wing and armored vehicles is necessary.
        ,
        And useful for what? For ATO? So, what is better for scrap, away from sin. You can give to allies, but who are you?
  37. Dedall
    Dedall 12 January 2018 21: 15
    +2
    And what, in the Crimean Gypsies transferred? They would give them all the pieces of iron to stream and plunder and would become according to the proverb: "And the sheep are safe and the wolves are full."
    I mean, once a camp of gypsies stopped at Novocherkassk and then in a couple of days half of the sewer manholes in the city disappeared. They were then replaced with plastic to avoid repetition.
  38. rumatam
    rumatam 13 January 2018 09: 30
    0
    what a return, what to breed dregs, saloids will now begin to declare technology from the factory. Why all this dregs?
  39. andron-30
    andron-30 13 January 2018 13: 40
    +1
    clearly put on the move, but no, we’ll scream reptiles ruined the Ukrainian fleet, only Ukrainian “friends” did not take into account one maneuver, drown boats, and then say that it was worth nothing to the Russian side, but Russia has no other choice , or ukrahatiya takes away his trash or scrap. yes I forgot the scrap metal there will be a lot I can help with the cottage
    1. andron-30
      andron-30 13 January 2018 14: 12
      +1
      how am I for Ukrainians in principle, but I’m banned from Russian content, you don’t mean friendship and chewing gum
  40. andron-30
    andron-30 13 January 2018 14: 18
    +1
    I want to offer my services for the sinking of these vessels.
  41. andron-30
    andron-30 13 January 2018 15: 01
    +1
    as before, it was all written fake ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, tomorrow they will say that it’s not just fake it is just not true
  42. Nemesis
    Nemesis 14 January 2018 09: 36
    0
    To transfer warships from Crimea to Ukraine, this is wrecking and high treason ... Those who decided to arm Bandera need to be deprived of Russian citizenship and deported from the country!