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Sergey Glazyev: What ideology will raise Russia

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Sergey Glazyev: What ideology will raise Russia



At the end of the outgoing year, marked by the centenary of the October Socialist Revolution, we can sum up the competition of ideas that rule the world. If by world we mean all of humanity, then as a criterion of success in the competition of ideologies, we should take the rate of socio-economic development, measured by indicators of gross domestic product (GDP) and human potential index (PPI).

For the past thirty years, the PRC has been the undisputed leader in both respects, and the unconditional outsider is Ukraine. Thirty years ago, the standard of living in the latter was much higher than in China, today it is three times lower.

All these years, Russia has been trampled on the spot, having difficulty returning to the average life expectancy achieved in the USSR, which is substantially smaller in number and worse in health and the volume of production of goods with far lower added value. During this time, other countries continued to develop, most of us caught up and overtook. Russia fell below the average level, being among the third world countries.

The second world of the socialist countries after the collapse of the USSR, although it was geographically reduced, but taking into account the socialist orientation of not only China, but also India and the countries of Indochina, it became absolutely and relatively more both in terms of human potential and GDP. Ahead of the rate of socio-economic development of the country of the first world in two or three times, the second world in ten years will dominate the planet.

The first world has been stagnating for two decades, unsuccessfully struggling with the growing imbalances. Although he absorbed the space of the USSR, the general crisis of capitalism, which Soviet political economists liked to write about, did not stop. The 2-3 trillions exported from the former socialist countries and the millions of new workers hired by Western corporations have only delayed the exacerbation of this crisis, which today is acquiring apocalyptic features.

Right were those critics of market reforms that warned that the transition from socialism to capitalism for Russia would end on the periphery, among the countries of Latin America and Africa. But the authors of convergence theory also turned out to be right, proposing to combine the good elements of the capitalist and socialist systems, abandoning the bad ones. It was precisely such a synthesis that the Chinese Communists carried out by building a socialist market economy. P. Sorokin half a century ago called it an integral system, predicting the end of both Soviet socialism and American capitalism.

The integrated system combines centralized planning with market competition, state ownership in infrastructure and basic industries with private enterprise in the rest of the economy, socialist ideology with personal enrichment opportunities. Supporting entrepreneurial activity, the state regulates it in such a way as to keep the energy of private business in line with public interests. It integrates the activities of various social groups and professional communities in such a way that the result is an increase in social welfare.

If in the capitalist system the main criterion of economic activity is profit, and in the Soviet system there was an increase in production, in the PRC such is the increase in the standard of living of the population. The Chinese system of state regulation is aimed at increasing investment in the development of the production of consumer goods. The entire system of economic regulation, including the state banking system, is subordinated to the fulfillment of this task, providing cheap long-term credit for the implementation of the plans of business entities for the growth of volumes and an increase in the technical level of production. These plans are developed through an ongoing dialogue between the government, business and academia, in which the strategic goals set at the political level are realized in private initiatives on the basis of a complex system of direct and reverse connections that encourage creative activities and punish the damage to society.

For three decades, the PRC has maintained world leadership in the rate of socio-economic development. This is achieved by an effective management system, all of whose institutions operate in a coherent manner thanks to the ideology of a steady increase in public welfare supported by the overwhelming majority of the population. Everything that contradicts it is cut off, regardless of the dogmas of certain teachings.

So, Deng Xiaoping rejected the dogma of scientific communism, which forbade hired labor and the accumulation of private capital. As a result of the rise of private entrepreneurship among the rural population, a rapid growth in agricultural production began, the country solved a food problem that the powerful Soviet Union could not cope with. In contrast to the leadership of the latter, the Chinese Communist Party did not lead to the opposite dogmas of the liberal-democratic ideology. She began to build a market economy, not abandoning the achievements of socialism. During the first decade of the formation of market institutions, private enterprise developed on the basis of the businessman’s full responsibility with all its assets. Institutions of limited liability, through which the Russian state was taken away most of the property and squeezed two trillion dollars of withdrawn capital, appeared in the PRC only after the moral norms of responsible behavior in the business ethics of Chinese business were formed. The state did not distribute property free of charge, did not allow financial speculation, controlled cross-border operations — entrepreneurs were enriched by the production of socially useful products.

Unlike the Russian Federation, the PRC does not follow the dogmas of the Washington Consensus. He does not intend to abolish foreign exchange controls and restrictions on cross-border capital movements, will not abandon state lending of investments, retains state-owned basic industries and control over pricing of basic goods. The Chinese did not allow Western consultants to dissolve themselves into a transition economy - they built a socialist market economy with Chinese characteristics. With the latter definition, they emphasized the diversity of models of the socialist system, once again demonstrating a creative approach to managing socio-economic development. In the same spirit, they are building their international economic ties. The “One Belt - One Way” strategy proclaimed by Xi Jingping is based on joint investments in promising areas of trade and economic cooperation and focuses on a mutually beneficial combination of competitive advantages. Unlike Washington’s financial institutions, which impose on all countries the self-destruction of state borders and restrictions, Beijing’s development institutions offer funding for joint investment in the common interest without political conditions.

Rejecting dogmatism, the CPC of the PRC created an ideology of an integral system combining socialist goal-setting, the freedom of creative self-realization of the individual in socially useful creative activities and patriotism. Having survived the cultural revolution, she got rid of the radicalism inherent in the main ideological currents of the last century: communism, liberalism and Nazism.

Another way to the integral order is India, combining the socialist ideas of Gandhi, the values ​​of democracy and national interests. On this path, it, like the PRC, achieved accelerated socio-economic development, coming out in the year before last in the first place in the world in terms of GDP growth. The countries of Indochina, following the path of socialism while preserving their cultural specifics, also demonstrate high rates of economic growth. And even African countries introducing management institutions that have been developed in the PRC demonstrate accelerated economic development. An example is Ethiopia, crawling out of poverty with double-digit GDP growth rates.

Over the past three decades история She also gave reverse examples of replacing socialist ideology with libertarian ones. The image of “Japan Incorporized” is well known, emphasizing the solidarity of the Japanese socio-economic structure. If it were not for the liberalization of its economic policy, made under US pressure in the 80-s, Japan would probably have maintained high rates of economic growth. The same can be said about the South Korean economic miracle, stopped by a similar liberalization of the economy under pressure from the IMF in the 90s. And, finally, the miracle of the socio-economic development of the USSR, the majority of the republics of which, after its collapse, abandoned socialist ideology in favor of the Washington Consensus with disastrous social and economic consequences. We should also recall the post-war miracle of the restoration and rise of the FRG, France, Austria, as well as the successful development of the Scandinavian countries, which were guided by a socialist ideology of a democratic type.

In science, as is known, practice is the criterion of truth. The correctness of the theory must be confirmed by experiment. Over the past thirty years, basic theories in social studies have been experimentally tested. The collapse suffered two major dogmatic theories that claimed the ultimate truth: scientific communism and its antipode - libertarianism, including its modern form, the Washington Consensus. This results in the erroneous course that our country follows in its socio-economic policy. Replacing one dogmatic ideology with another after the collapse of the USSR brought us to a historical dead end. Twenty-five years standing in this impasse gave rise to a swamp, in the bog of which all attempts of our president to bring the country out of the crisis are drowning.

There can be no justification for the economic policy that plunged the richest country in the world into the miserable condition of the third world. Lacking oil and gas resources, repeatedly yielding to the USSR in terms of scientific and technological development, today India and China are five times higher than Russia in terms of GDP and other indicators of the development of research and production potential. This year, the average salary in the PRC has become higher than in Russia, where the level of labor productivity is more and more behind the advanced countries. Dropping lower and lower in the world table of ranks in terms of socio-economic development, Russia leads in terms of socially determined diseases, suicides, abortions, as well as in the growth rates of personal states of offshore oligarchs. The latter are based not on the ingenious discoveries of new technologies, which increase the efficiency and production volumes, but on the appropriation of elements of national wealth: privatization of state property, natural or administrative rent.

Russian national wealth has been privatized by a narrow group of individuals who exploit it for personal gain. The growth of dollar billionaires, which continues against the background of a four-year fall in real incomes of the population, is a clear indication of the targets of the current system of management of social and economic development. Attempts by the head of state to deploy it in the direction of popular interests cause only an imitation of the tumultuous activities of officials concerned about personal well-being. In the absence of state ideology, its place is occupied by the thirst for profit.

As the remarkable Petersburg scientist Danila Lanin wisely remarked, the absence of ideology means the ideology of libertarianism. This ideology sets the program of behavior of the ruling elite. If the main value is money, or rather, their quantity, then money becomes the criterion of success, including government leaders. A good example of the implementation of this ideology is the fantastic salaries of the heads of state banks and corporations, which they write out for themselves, regardless of the objective results of their activities. If the main goal is personal income, is it any wonder the huge bonuses of directors of unprofitable campaigns? In fairness, it should be said that their private sector colleagues do the same.

Imitation of the performance of their duties, hiding the abuse of official authority for personal gain, is a typical behavior of officials in the existing management system. The “team” has become its basic structural element - it is organized according to the principle of mutual responsibility, organized to retain power for the purpose of profit, a criminal group. At all levels of government - from the village council to the federal ministries - the corresponding fractals are visible. Is it any wonder the highest achievements of this managerial model: the unprofitable privatization of the world's largest property complex, which ended in the state bankruptcy of the state short-term government pyramid, the collapse of the central bank of Otkrytie, which opened hundreds of billions of rubles, and exported a trillion dollars abroad.

Attempts to combat the decomposition of the control system by increasing the number of controlling and law enforcement agencies only exacerbate the situation. They also obey the power of money. Therefore, they form a symbiosis with business teams in power, pursuing unprotected collective responsibility of entrepreneurs. As a result, a vicious circle is formed: corruption clans dominate in the economy, control-force structures are built up to fight against them, which suppress free entrepreneurs, driving them under the roof of these business teams or forcing them to leave business. At the top of this power-economic pyramid are the bankers who have appropriated the disposition of state money and are interested in their high prices. Having driven the interest rate three times higher than the profitability of the manufacturing industry, they became the masters of the economy, deciding the fate of the insolvent enterprises. The interest slip together with the tax press squeezes all revenues from the real sector of the economy, which is degrading due to reduced investment.

The center of the world in libertarian ideology coincides with the place where money wealth is concentrated. Therefore, overwhelmingly greedy adherents of this ideology tend to New York and London, hiding their revenues in advance in Anglo-Saxon jurisdiction. The campaign on deoffshorization conducted at the direction of the president led to the resettlement of many large Russian businessmen there as well. Money for them is the highest value, and they follow them to where the cult of money is brought to the absolute. There is no doubt that the majority of those who are put by the last American sanctions before the fateful choice of arresting accounts or treason against the Motherland will choose the latter.

The implementation of the goals of the country's social and economic development formulated by the Russian president is impossible without introducing an ideology that is clear and understandable to all citizens. In Russia, this ideology cannot but be socialist.

First, without ideology, it will not be possible to bring the system of management of socio-economic development in line with the urgent requirements expressed by the head of state. It's like a red commander in command of the White Army. By repressions and detachments, it is possible for some time to force dissident subordinates to carry out orders, but without work, not out of fear, but it is impossible to raise the modern intellectual economy on the conscience.

Secondly, without a criterion of compliance of the decisions made with the interests of increasing public welfare, the control system will be deprived of the core - the responsibility of officials and heads of state corporations for the specific results of their work. She will remain corrupt and incapable.

Third, social justice is the dominant value in the public consciousness. If the management system does not comply with it, the people will not consider it legitimate. He will pretend to submit, and officials will pretend to be governed. This system of universal imitation can create the appearance of national unity, but it will fall apart during the first trials. So a century ago, the Russian Empire collapsed, and a quarter of a century ago - the Soviet Union.

Fourth, the socialist choice is progressive, opening the prospect of Russia's inclusion in the core of the new world economic order. To preserve libertarianism under the cover of the absence of official ideology is to condemn ourselves to the peripheral position and role of the cash cow for the American oligarchy.

Fifth, without an ideology that unites society and subordinates private interests, including those of the ruling elite, to the whole people, we cannot stand in the world hybrid war, which has been launched in an effort to preserve the global hegemony of US power. We could hardly have won the previous world war if the Soviet Gosbank worked under the methodological guidance of the German Reichsbank, the Gosplan submitted to the imperial ministry of the occupied eastern territories, Goebbels supervised the publication of Soviet newspapers, and Borman led the party building.

Of course, socialist ideology must be modern. First of all - humane, based on the need to respect human rights and freedoms. And also patriotic, prioritizing national interests and building in accordance with them foreign policy. It should also be focused on advancing socio-economic development on the basis of a new technological order, that is, be technocratic, pragmatic and progressive.

The question of the practical implementation of this ideology is beyond the scope of this article. It is clear that it is impossible to revive the CPSU, and it is not necessary. The bearers of ideological meanings in our society are science and religion. More than a decade ago, we substantiated the idea of ​​progressive socially conservative synthesis and developed a program of social justice and economic growth. What kind of fusion of traditional and modernization values, socialism, humanism and patriotism will depend on the practical work of the ideologists of state-building. It is important to begin this work as soon as possible. Without an ideology consistent with the popular worldview, our management system will resemble Krylov's fable Quartet.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 13 January 2018 08: 59 New
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    Well ! Well done ! All laid out on the shelves! Guide to action.
    It’s a pity, but they don’t hear him in the Kremlin!
    1. dSK
      dSK 13 January 2018 09: 18 New
      +1
      Hello Vladimir!
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Action Guide

      Quote: Sergey Glazyev
      The carriers of ideological meanings in our society are science and religion.
      Matthew the holy gospel - 24: 45-51 "Who is the faithful and prudent slave whom his master set over his servants to give them food in time?" Blessed is that slave whom his master, having come, will find doing so; Verily I say unto you, that he shall put him over all his possessions. If the servant, being angry, says in his heart: My lord will not come soon, and begin to beat his comrades and eat and drink with drunks, then the master of the slave will come on the day on which he does not expect, and on the hour on which he does not think, and will cut him up and expose him to the same fate as the hypocrites; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. " hi
      1. Lycan
        Lycan 13 January 2018 22: 49 New
        +2
        How about:
        Quote: dsk
        then the lord of the slave will come on the day on which he does not expect, and on the hour in which he does not think, and will cut him, and expose him to the same fate as the hypocrites

        if we have:
        the basic structural element was the "team" - arranged on the basis of mutual responsibilityorganized to retain power for profit criminal group

        With all this - who will punish whom? Punishment cannot be pardoned wink already simply because Slaves “They are not the master, but the“ tentacles of the Washington consensus. ”
        1. dSK
          dSK 14 January 2018 01: 07 New
          0
          Hello Alex!
          Quote: Lycan
          will cut him, and expose him to the same fate as the hypocrites
          this fate awaits each of us - "If the servant, being angry, says in his heart: My lord will not come soon, and begin to beat his comrades and eat and drink with drunkards."
          1. Lycan
            Lycan 14 January 2018 17: 19 New
            0
            Well, slaves [fin-econom. sector + many functionaries of Yeltsin's "fat" years] eat and drink [with great reluctance to allocate finances for the development of the Ring Road] with drunkards [oligarchy].
            Where is the master that "calculates" them?
            Appears in March?
            And how will he “dissect” if there are very delicate relations with foreign administrations?
            It would be nice, but does this owner have - with whom to replace the "dissected" ones, without shaking the entire economy?
            It must be understood that those whom the “master” considers to be “slaves” have degenerated into owners and are ready either to run away with the appropriated good or to organize in their desire to destroy the “master” with the support of the “hostile enemies”. All. No alternatives. Otherwise, they face a "dungeon of cheese."
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 13 January 2018 09: 23 New
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      At the end of the outgoing year, marked by the centenary of the October Socialist Revolution

      My heart hurts when I remember how, instead of celebrating a great holiday, tons of Chernukha were poured onto the Russians from the screens, and the most famous Russian actors participated in this. What does the Kremlin achieve, wants to cross out the achievements of October from our lives, to oblivion, to lose historical continuity?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 January 2018 11: 13 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        What does the Kremlin achieve, wants to cross out the achievements of October from our lives, to oblivion, to lose historical continuity?

        That is what he is achieving. Afraid of repetition.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 14 January 2018 01: 08 New
          +5
          Quote: Stroporez
          That is what he is achieving. Afraid of repetition.

          good
          Hi colleague! With the past! drinks
          ..I think that so demonstratively hushing up the great historical event, which undoubtedly played a gigantic role in the further development of the whole world, our honorable government itself does a disservice ..
    3. populist
      populist 13 January 2018 09: 56 New
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      Uncle lee
      It’s a pity, but they don’t hear him in the Kremlin!

      The entire power elite, together with the president, is completely liberal. They are not capable and do not want to change anything. Only Grudinin and the government of public confidence can turn Russia onto the "Chinese" path of development with the support of a broad front of left-wing and national-patriotic forces. Vote for Grudinin.
      1. sapporo1959
        sapporo1959 13 January 2018 11: 20 New
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        Well, the people have already gone to Grudilin and his government on a wide front and expose. The oligarch turns out to be with foreign accounts. It’s not Medvedev who gave you a goal like a falcon and gave everything for the Motherland. So we’ll read a lot more interesting things about this enemy called folk later on ... am
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 13 January 2018 13: 13 New
          +3
          So an oligarch with foreign accounts - or not?
          If so (and so it is) - what's the point of changing one oligarch Medvedev to another oligarch Grudinin?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 January 2018 13: 21 New
            +9
            Quote: Mestny
            If so (and so it is) - what's the point of changing one oligarch Medvedev to another oligarch Grudinin?

            Why post nonsense?
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 29 New
              +3
              Really, why? - I thought, watching the video you proposed.
              You see, what’s the matter.
              You suggest, seeking to justify your candidate, as a source of truth - propaganda material for himself, made by his followers, so to speak.
              Agree, this cannot be any evidence at all. As for you in the same way, everything that the current government says about itself is not proof. Is not it?
              That is, your truth is against ours. In a word, the future will judge us.
              The main thing. so that later it wouldn’t be embarrassing - "damn it, I thought he was good for ordinary people, but he turned out to be completely different."
              Believe me, I have no illusions about the intentions of the current government to make our state even more socially oriented. However, I understand that all the Grudinins put together will make for her, the countries even smaller, or not at all. Whatever they promise and say there right now.
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 14 January 2018 01: 25 New
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                Quote: Mestny
                That is, your truth is against our.

                This is obviously an indication of your priorities. Then why are you writing
                Quote: Mestny
                I have no illusions about the intentions of the current government

                ??? Moreover, one should not, in an attempt to show "objectivity," declare in advance that
                Quote: Mestny
                all the sternum taken together will do for her, the country is even smaller
                At least Grudinin, being in place, did a lot for the people working for him. But Mr. Putin has done a lot for his people only — which, you see, doesn’t correspond to the aspirations of most Russians!
                As for the media attack on Grudinin, it was to be expected, because of all the велик great and terrible ’competitors, this is the most dangerous. And the liberal, smelly bunch, conveniently settled "upstairs", cannot in any way allow the violation of its already familiar status.
                The same media wrote that Grudinin, they say, is resting in Germany, squandering "people's money" in the new year - and they are now they write that AT THE SAME TIME he was in Austria, "trying to hide" allegedly illegal "billions" ..
                In the end, it turns out that "the media incorrectly calculated: the total amount was credited as the value of one share, and multiplied by the number of shares" .. for me, one event is significant: Grudinin is registered, and received a certificate. According to the Law, you know, if there were foreign accounts, this event would not have happened. ANY QUESTIONS?
                By the way, what about Glazyev, what do you think? Does he write incorrectly? what
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 15 January 2018 16: 21 New
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                  Primitive tales about the candidate from the Communist Party are designed for naive simpletons. Those and led. But, simplicity is worse than theft.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 16 January 2018 17: 38 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Victor N
                    Primitive tales

                    If you mind - then, be kind, justified. And this statement is an attempt to argue where there is nothing to say. hi
      2. Speedy
        Speedy 13 January 2018 11: 27 New
        +2
        Yeah, but Sisin is not a type of liberal or a billionaire .. Vote like at least for someone just not for Putin .. In all the parties he was noted and a liar was caught a second time with incomes ..
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 13 January 2018 13: 13 New
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          on a lie with incomes a second time was caught
          Are you talking about Medvedev or about that other who still owns a cornfield and a Skif trailer?
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 38 New
            +3
            What's the difference?
            The point is. Is there currently a more "honest" candidate "with the appropriate program and team." And even if there is such a program, how much can it be implemented?
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 14 January 2018 01: 32 New
              +6
              Quote: Mestny
              And even if there is such a program, how much can it be implemented?
              And there is a program, and not one! And you can realize it - there would be that very notorious "political will"!
              But in your opinion, it is probably better to continue to do nothing - but "stability" is guaranteed! That is, the poor will be stably poor, and the rich will be stably rich request
              By the way, who do you relate to - the first, or the second? Just understand hotz what drives you? wink
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 15 January 2018 16: 42 New
                0
                No competitive programs are yet to be seen.
                But state power cannot be rocked to the delight of enemies!
                TOTALLY NOT.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Victor N
                  state power to swing to the joy of enemies is NOT!

                  Yes, it’s with this horror story that they are now more and more often scaring us, summarizing ANY dissent on this topic: all the candidates are all the same, “hto don’t jump for Putin” - all of them only dream of “building up power” in order to quickly merge Russia to the West !. .
                  ..without noticing that the drain (in essence, what else can be called a steadily growing export of capital?) under Putin is ongoing. For how many years will there be enough Russian wealth? And what will remain for the children?
                2. avia1991
                  avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Victor N
                  No competitive programs are yet to be seen.

                  Yes, by the way: and show me the Putin Program? Without common words - to be specific?
            2. Icarus
              Icarus 15 January 2018 23: 34 New
              +1
              Here is the "honest candidate" president who created:
              "Team" - organized on the basis of mutual responsibility, organized to maintain power for the sake of profit criminal group
              (Glazyev).
              Yes ...., with such a team, and enemies are not needed.
        2. Svist
          Svist 14 January 2018 02: 56 New
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          He did not hide the fact that he had accounts abroad. I watched the live broadcast from registration and issuing a certificate to him. There was no scandal there. Here is his December interview, where he answers questions, including about foreign accounts. Https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = mj2_2l8bMt
          0 & t = 1s
          Everything is fair. But Vesti 24, the channel I previously respected, laid out the cuts from the broadcast and shuffled them in such a way that, with appropriate comments, it looked as if Grudinin had been caught hiding accounts. It was disgusting to look ... If Putin really has a 86% rating, why resort to dirty methods? This "type" emphasized United Russia, falsification?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 03: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Svist
            ... it looked like Grudinin was caught hiding ...

            You know, without Vesti it looked like that ...
            I repeat: On 08.01.2018/7.5/XNUMX, the CEC received a “Supplement” from Grudinia, according to which a presidential candidate suddenly found “undeclared” securities worth about XNUMX billion rubles. In Liechtenstein, og ...
            12.01.2018/3/100 the CEC said that "everything is openwork, the candidate is registered." That is, people in XNUMX+ days managed to get their XNUMX+ million evergreens from Liechtenstein somewhere ... well done, cheskazat.
            My only question is: where did they come from, these little things? Well, certainly not from strawberries laughing
            1. Svist
              Svist 14 January 2018 05: 09 New
              +5
              I looked badly. Accounts were in Austria and one in Switzerland. And he does not expose himself to beggars. It works normally - it normally works. And it gives others to earn. In addition to strawberries, they grow vegetables, are engaged in gardening and animal husbandry, yeah. Where is the violation of the law? With your question whence - to the prosecutor's office laughing .
            2. Svist
              Svist 15 January 2018 11: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              suddenly found "undeclared" securities worth about 7.5 billion rubles. In Liechtenstein, og.

              Well, what is there with billions then? Burst fake? Rub people about what they do not understand, manipulate numbers. There is no reliable evidence, you have to suck it out of your finger. What tickled so? After all 86% rating - This is not a cat spit. Or did uncertainty appear? Aha?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 15 January 2018 11: 21 New
                +6
                Quote: Svist
                Well, what is there with billions then? Burst fake?

                What bursts in you is not my sadness, but yours.
                The information on the CEC website has not changed, the Russian newspaper did not give a refutation ...
                AND? What? Did Yushenkov bleed something? So here that's what he is, fake yes
                Quote: Svist
                Rub people about what they don’t understand

                This is your specialty. Not mine wink
                Quote: Svist
                Aha?

                Whistle on.
                UPD: for those who are not able to count and think - too:
                G. has 600 "papers" there. For the amount, according to Yushenkov, 37 lyama rubles, ~ 600 kilobaks.
                So: there are no Eurobonds with a face value of $ 1000. In nature, they are not.
                And where Yushenkov (and G.) nadibal such papers - this secret is great.
                Pichalka to you crying
                1. Tamagon
                  Tamagon 15 January 2018 18: 00 New
                  +2
                  Read the law of Thomas: For those who constantly seem to have other people's billions, I explain in detail: According to the Federal Law of 10.01.2003 No. 19-FZ (as amended on 05.12.2017/3/25) "On the Election of the President of the Russian Federation" Count "Other Securities" of the sub-section "Securities “subsection“ Other property ”of Appendix No. 595“ Information on the amount and on sources of income, property, on accounts (deposits) in banks, securities and on property obligations of the candidate for the position of the President of the Russian Federation and his spouse ”is filled out according to the following rule: “Information on all securities (bonds, bills, bills, checks, certificates and others) is indicated, with the exception of shares: type of security, full name of the organization issuing the security, indicating its legal form (last name, first name, middle name, passport data for an individual), TIN, postal address of the location (residence), NUMBER of securities and the TOTAL value in rubles for each type. " Once again - the TOTAL VALUE is indicated in rubles for each type of security. Therefore, learn the materiel and do not act as "parrots" - "I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is." The total market value indicated in the Information (published on the official website of the CEC of the Russian Federation) is 889,80 rubles.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 15 January 2018 19: 16 New
                    +5
                    Great good
                    And now we go to the CEC website and look at the following marvelous document:






                    And what do we see:
                    1. The “Supplement” (the format of which in the Federal Law of 10.01.2003 No. 19-FZ, of course, is not specified) has nothing to do with Appendix 3 to this Federal Law ... and has been compiled “in free form”.
                    2. In the supplement Russian in white (as much as three times) says "market value security"... alone, Karl !!!
                    3. Show me less than $ 10000 Eurobonds wink


                    Quote: Tamagon
                    The total market value indicated in the Information (published on the official website of the CEC of the Russian Federation) is 25 rubles

                    Give a reference, be so kind as to yes
                2. rul
                  rul 15 January 2018 21: 53 New
                  +1
                  The standard lot on the Eurobond market is $ 500. But on the Moscow Exchange, many Eurobonds are traded at $ 000, the minimum lot per bond.

                  Source: http://capitalgains.ru/investitsii/tsennye-bumagi
                  /evroobligatsii-dohodnost.html
        3. avia1991
          avia1991 16 January 2018 17: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Sorrow
          noted on lies with income

          From 4.10 look. A completely adequate explanation. Do not forget that the media successfully use the flow of information at the desired “angle” (is the glass half empty or full?)
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 16 January 2018 19: 04 New
            +2
            What is significant: the video that I posted, REPLACE!
            Bravo to the pro-Putin moderators! You can take the nut off the shelf, because who, if not you, changed the video?
            Whoever wants to will find: in Russia 24 was a live broadcast. I will try later to throw the link nevertheless.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-1mBxjPjoc&f
            eature = youtu.be

            Come in, look!
      3. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 13 January 2018 12: 39 New
        14
        Realization of the goals of the country's socio-economic development formulated by the President of Russia is impossible without the introduction of a clear and understandable ideology for all citizens. In Russia, this ideology cannot but be socialist. - from article

        Unfortunately, the current President has the ideology of liberalism, which will inevitably lead Russia into a further decline, already from third world countries into oblivion - a further collapse like the USSR. Unfortunately.
        It is necessary to change the President in the elections for another candidate, now thank God, there is a real alternative to Putin - Pavel Grudinin, capable of changing the president’s ideology of developing Russia into a socialist one with elements of a market economy. Something like China.
        Enough to further ruin the country, drive people into poverty, and reduce Russia's population by Putin's liberal policies, which led to the 1905 level of stratification of the poor and rich, when a small handful of oligarchs (about 1%) concentrated 99% of the state’s wealth in their pockets.
        There is an alternative to V. Putin in these elections. Vote for Pavel Grudinin
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 13 January 2018 12: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: vladimirZ
          There is an alternative to V. Putin in these elections. Vote for Pavel Grudinin

          There is no real alternative to Putin. Neither in these elections, nor in the previous ones. Too different opportunities for propaganda and agitation. And address. And in finance. By the way, filling the election fund of Putin is not an address? I looked at the list of contributors. I recommend, s.
          PS The "concern" about the moral and ethical "look of Grudinin and his finances amuses. And what will be closer to the elections ?!
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 13 January 2018 13: 21 New
            16
            There is no real alternative to Putin. - There was a mammoth

            Not a fact. Many people have already come to their senses from the liberal noodles hung by the powerful media, and will not vote for Putin.
            If there are fair elections, Putin will not be defeated. His victory in the election can only be due to administrative resources and falsification of elections, falsification of its results.
            The task of the Left Front, who nominated P. Grudinin, is to achieve full control in the elections, fair elections.
            If the elections are falsified and the power goes to fraud, this will entail unavoidable political consequences, not only among the people within Russia, but also abroad.
            You probably know that in fact V. Putin’s authority and respect for him from other state leaders are far from normal. And what will await him with the rigging of the election is hard to even imagine.
            Remember the international meeting of heads of state, it seems in Australia, when Putin was alone at the dinner table, no one wanted to sit next to him, after which Putin left this summit.
            How to conduct a foreign policy in such conditions? How will it be possible to meet with the political leaders of other states and talk with them on an equal footing - this will mean one thing to overwhelm foreign policy.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 13 January 2018 14: 03 New
              13
              Quote: vladimirZ
              If there are fair elections, Putin will not be defeated.

              Keyword: "If." Putin will not even appear at the pre-election debate. By the way, I was not going to vote for Putin even before the nomination of Grudinin. And the more votes Grudinin gets, I think the more useful it will be for the country.
              Quote: vladimirZ
              ... at the dinner table Putin was alone ....

              I think that this has nothing to do with respect. Yeltsin would sit in tight company.
              Again, if only. wink
            2. Romey
              Romey 13 January 2018 14: 10 New
              13
              On the whole, I agree with your theses, but all the same, our forces and the forces of the Putinists are clearly not equal. The entire information advantage is on their side. Many simply do not know who Grudinin is and by whom he is nominated. Many people think that this is just a certain Communist Party functionary who has built into the current system with all the consequences. I have been campaigning directly among the audience accessible to me, and for a very long time I have to explain to people that he is a candidate not only and not so much from the Communist Party, but also from a wide range of ideologically diverse forces from the national industrial bourgeoisie to the monarchists, who have a common view with the left on the future country. That he is a practitioner, in fact showing how to manage an enterprise, that this experience can be successfully implemented nationwide. People have an understanding of the problems. It may even be possible to win over the sane from the audience of Navalny to their side. But, nevertheless, many TVs firmly got into the head that without Putin we had a cord. Like, let it be all bad, the main thing is not to be worse, without thinking about the consequences of this oligarchic stagnation. Of course, we will make every effort to win in March, but the main thing is to prepare people for a real alternative from the patriotic opposition at the time of the inevitable political and economic crises. And this campaign must be built in this vein. I hope P.N. Grudinin took into account the mistakes of the first steps and is far from any agreement with the current government in order not to compromise himself by collaborating with the liberal president and oligarchy. This will be very important at the time of an “ideal storm” for seizing power in the event of the threat of a seizure by open sub-Westerners.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 13 January 2018 14: 35 New
                11
                - Romeu
                I agree with you. All the difficulty to convey to people who Grudinin is, who he represents, and what his ideology is.
                The media controlled by the government work only for V. Putin, brainwashing people so that they do not understand this political situation.
                To this end, by the way, so many candidates have been put forward - from whom, without resembling them, to blur the main struggle between the candidate of the oligarchs and the candidate of the Left Forces - Putin and Grudinin.
                We will fight and to the best of our ability to clarify and convince people that only by voting for the Left Front supporter Pavel Grudinin will the people be able to defeat and regain power and social gains.
            3. Dart2027
              Dart2027 13 January 2018 14: 43 New
              0
              Quote: vladimirZ
              You probably know that in fact V. Putin’s authority and respect for him from other state leaders are far from normal.

              For example, Poroshenko?
            4. Victor N
              Victor N 15 January 2018 16: 53 New
              0
              Putin’s foreign policy is okay, don’t worry.
              Your concern for "fair elections" is entirely in Navalny. Hello to your State Department!
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 15 January 2018 19: 18 New
                +2
                Your concern for "fair elections" is entirely in Navalny. Hello to your State Department! - victor n

                What elections do you dream about? Or even without elections, through the transfer of power by inheritance? So it seems we live in the 21st century.
                And I realized you were in favor of transferring power by choosing a receiver for yourself like Yeltsin-Putin. The hereditary transfer of power from one leader of an authoritarian regime to another, while comprador oligarchs remain in power.
                So such a system will not last long, will inevitably lead to an aggravation of the political situation, to a social explosion, chaos, and, God forbid, revolution, with a change in the social system.
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 16 January 2018 17: 44 New
                +2
                Quote: Victor N
                Putin is OK with foreign policy

                Yes, that's right - and mind you, nobody argues with that. The question of the economy within the country .. or are you fattening under the current government? Then the question is removed ..
          2. Mestny
            Mestny 13 January 2018 15: 05 New
            +2
            Well, do not?
            Then you can put forward Prokhorov, or Chubais. And what a great manager.
            We, or rather, you want to replace the "crooks" with honest ones?
            Well, let's look for these most honest ones.
          3. sapporo1959
            sapporo1959 13 January 2018 18: 14 New
            +9
            Domestic concern for the finances of Grudilin is certainly yes as it is sometimes sometimes funny! But a flutist and a hero of Russia with three billion dollars offshore to violins for children didn’t even cause such intense interest in our so-called free democratic media, like some collective farm chairman with a million and not green ones, but only rubles .. I think it will be fun!
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 18: 39 New
              +8
              Quote: sapporo1959
              Yes, a flutist and a hero of Russia with three billion dollars offshore for violins to kids

              Who is this? Cellist - I remember, flute player - no request
              Quote: sapporo1959
              collective farm chairman

              What a kolkhoz, listen ... CJSC "State farm named after Lenin", not khukh-mukhra ...
              Quote: sapporo1959
              with a million and it’s not green, but only rubles

              Uh-uh, you can’t count savsem, a daraga ...
              Mr. Grudinia found more than 5 lard rubles in securities alone at Liechtensteinische Landesbank.
              At the rate, count yourself, you know how to share, I see laughing
              A good piece for a person who has earned in 6 years a little less than 160 milli. rubles ... And where did this "piece" come from, interesting request
              1. sapporo1959
                sapporo1959 13 January 2018 18: 50 New
                +7
                So I'm talking about why the billions of Putin’s friend who bought the violins in offshore weren’t interested in the authorities, but here are the names of the bank ... By the way, don’t you remind the names and other musicians of the cello players who earned a lot there at concerts in Russia? Or maybe I’ll go to the same musicians?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 18: 54 New
                  +5
                  Quote: sapporo1959
                  By the way, do not remind ...

                  Nah ... on the Internet, and google, google, google ...
                  And for me to order something, you don’t have enough money wink
                  1. sapporo1959
                    sapporo1959 13 January 2018 21: 31 New
                    +4
                    So why google? If the law is there, then it should be the same for everyone, otherwise I can see it, but this isn’t already. Once you are such a fundamental fighter against corruption, I have been hearing and hearing about it for ten years every day, then fight but don’t talk about valuable personnel for our country. It’s somehow as it seems to me ...
                  2. avia1991
                    avia1991 16 January 2018 17: 49 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    and google, google, google ...

                    I prefer Yandex. Google is for pro-pro-liberal liberals! wink Koim Kutmannull, as I understand it, is not hi
                2. VladGashek
                  VladGashek 13 January 2018 19: 34 New
                  +2
                  If my memory serves me right, then this is some philanthropist-billionaire Raldugin. I can not vouch for accuracy.
              2. avia1991
                avia1991 14 January 2018 01: 43 New
                +4
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Mr. Grudinia found more than 5 lard rubles in securities alone at Liechtensteinische Landesbank.

                ... let me guess: not otherwise, the dog on the avatar has replaced the cat?
                We read the press: the media with arithmetic turned out to be shitty - apparently, they really wanted to throw in the "fried fact"!
                How is it under the law? “..do not have accounts with foreign banks ...” and so on. It seems like this is required from the presidential candidates? .. Then explain, pliiz, why was he registered?
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 02: 02 New
                  +7
                  Quote: avia1991
                  Then explain, pliiz, why is it still registered?

                  Today’s registered candidate for the presidency of the Communist Party, Pavel Grudinin, director of Lenin State Farm CJSC, closed accounts in foreign banks, as required by law from applicants for the post of head of state. CEC member Yevgeny Shevchenko told reporters about this.
                  When nominated, candidates reported their income on December 1. Later, Grudinin submitted clarified information, indicated the presence of five accounts in one of the Austrian banks located in Vienna, 14 million 390 thousand rubles remained on one of them, 16 thousand 760 rubles on the other, and the rest with zero balance. The candidate also notified that he was storing 600 securities in the credit institution Liechtensteinische Landesbank, their total cost is 7,5 billion rubles.


                  So, the CEC said - "everything is according to the law."
                  Questions from this ... flowing from:
                  1. Where did the director of a closed joint-stock company with personal income get a little less than 16 million rubles? for 6 years of securities at 7.5 lard (the same rubles)?
                  2. Where have the papers gone? Sold out? Transferred to a Russian bank? The press is silent about that.
                  3. 08.01.2018/12/XNUMX these papers were in Liechtenstein (see Additions from Grudinia, I have already provided a link); The XNUMXth Grudinia was registered, that is, the papers were no longer there ... Famously, what else to say.
                  But you vote for him, vote ... "Come, restore order" laughing
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 14 January 2018 03: 25 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Where does the director of a closed joint-stock company with personal income come from a little less than 16 million rubles? for 6 years

                    In fact, if I remember correctly, he talked about 157 million over this period, quite officially.
                    When he acquired these shares - how much do you think they could cost? And how much margin has been received for all the time?
                    7,5 billion rubles is, for a second, a little more than 131 million tanks. A lot, of course - but many of the top Masculine menagers of this order have amounts. Is it an oligarchy?
                    Be that as it may, for 22 years of directorship, taking into account a successfully operating enterprise, I personally do not consider this amount out of the ordinary.
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    You vote for him, vote ... "Come, restore order"
                    Thanks for the advice wassat I think it will be so ... if, of course, the current oligarchic elite makes a mistake and counts the votes really .. in any case, I will vote for him - if it doesn’t succeed in promoting him, then we’ll send a transparent hint to our “deities” ! hi
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 03: 41 New
                      +6
                      Quote: avia1991
                      In fact, if I remember correctly, he talked about 157 million over this period, completely officially

                      Exactly.

                      So, his income amounted to 157 rubles. - this is the salary at ZAO "State Farm named after Lenin", a prize for participating in the competition, material assistance, interest (income from deposits)

                      Okay. 26.17 million rubles per year, right?
                      Question: how many years should Grudinin work to earn 7.5 billion rubles?
                      I will answer you: 286+ years
                      belay
                      And, note, these securities are far from the only thing people have.
                      Question: where does the modest collective farmer get so much dough from?

                      Quote: avia1991
                      Be that as it may, for 22 years of directorship, taking into account a successfully operating enterprise, I personally do not consider this amount out of the ordinary.

                      Primitive calculation shows that you, unfortunately, are mistaken ...
                      Quote: avia1991
                      many top Muscovite menagers of this order have amounts

                      It is clear where these amounts come from. And, note, these "managers" do not pretend to lead my country, under the guise of a "modest collective farmer", og yes

                      Quote: avia1991
                      if it doesn’t succeed in promoting it, then at least we will send a transparent hint to our “deities”

                      Another common mistake.
                      Too lazy to disassemble, interesting - write in a personal.
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 14 January 2018 03: 53 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Another common mistake

                        Or maybe it's just your opinion is not entirely true?
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        Question: how many years should Grudinin work to earn 7.5 billion rubles.

                        Question: How much did the paper cost when they were purchased?
                        In addition, do not forget that he is also the main shareholder of his enterprise, right? I do not think that you, trying in every possible way to denigrate a candidate unsympathetic to you, do not realize that against the background of the others he looks much more open and understandable.
                        By the way, regarding
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        It is clear where these amounts come from. And, note, these "managers" do not claim to lead

                        “TAM”, just, is far from always clear. Just like Miller and Sechin .. and about "do not claim": you personally asked them wink Who else would put forward them ?!
                    2. Victor N
                      Victor N 15 January 2018 17: 03 New
                      0
                      You kindly forgive both the turbidity of income and the initial violation of the known rules (forgot to say right away). Why so?
                  2. Tamagon
                    Tamagon 14 January 2018 11: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Where does the director of a closed joint-stock company with personal income come from a little less than 16 million rubles? for 6 years of securities at 7.5 lard (the same rubles)?

                    Do not spread lies, it should be a shame ... securities of 200 pieces. face value of 13.9 million, not everyone !!!!! And rubles!
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 06 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Tamagon
                      Do not spread lies

                      Tell it to the mirror yes

                      We follow the link, we get to the Rossiskaya Gazeta website.
                      So an article with information from the CEC of the Russian Federation. In the know, what is it, or is it necessary to chew?
                      The article clearly indicates the amount.
                      And who in the end is lying: the CEC, the WG, or are you?
                      1. Svist
                        Svist 15 January 2018 11: 18 New
                        +2
                        I think lying to the WG. Will you be surprised smile
      4. lis-ik
        lis-ik 13 January 2018 13: 50 New
        +7
        Quote: populist
        Uncle lee
        It’s a pity, but they don’t hear him in the Kremlin!

        The entire power elite, together with the president, is completely liberal. They are not capable and do not want to change anything. Only Grudinin and the government of public confidence can turn Russia onto the "Chinese" path of development with the support of a broad front of left-wing and national-patriotic forces. Vote for Grudinin.

        Yes, stop. You are already campaigning for Grudinin, the same oligarch as everyone. Do not you understand that this is an artificial competitor for GDP?
        1. populist
          populist 13 January 2018 14: 16 New
          13
          lis-ik
          Yes, stop. You are already campaigning for Grudinin, the same oligarch as everyone. Do not you understand that this is an artificial competitor for GDP?

          I fully understand that Grudinin is the most serious and dangerous competitor for GDP. Grudinin made himself, and “friends” dragged the GDP everywhere - Sobchak, Chubais, etc. The danger of Grudinin to the current elite was visible immediately from the moment it was nominated. It is visible, including by the malicious reaction of pro-government media on the very first day. According to Vesti FM, there were two false appearances and one slightly neutral in just a few hours. This is what I myself heard.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 13 January 2018 17: 16 New
            +4
            Quote: vladimirZ
            The oligarch is not just a rich and earning much. The oligarchs, in addition to wealth, are characterized by the complete merger of wealth and power, which very much affects power in their own interests, the interests of their oligarchic class of the modern big bourgeoisie.
            P. Grudinin in no way by this definition - influence on power, can not be called an oligarch.

            That is, Grudinin is not an oligarch yet? Good. But probably a successful businessman from the 90s?
            Again I ask - why the hell is changing the oligarch for a successful businessman, a candidate for oligarchs?
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 13 January 2018 18: 15 New
              +7
              That is, Grudinin is not an oligarch yet? Good. But probably a successful businessman from the 90s?
              Again I ask - why the hell is changing the oligarch for a successful businessman, a candidate for oligarchs? - Mestny

              Well, let’s not be for the entrepreneur - businessman P. Grudinin, but for some kind of nothing to understand the janitor, the worker? Or this one, from "House-2", Ksyusha Sobchak - showman? laughing
              Will it suit you? Most people do not.
              A presidential candidate needs a person who has undergone some kind of successful life and work experience, elected to the authorities, tested there by his work, supported and nominated as the President’s candidate by mass left political parties and movements, and most importantly, who has convictions that coincide with the ideology of a socially just society , and having proved his convictions with his work.
              These are the qualities and meets Pavel Grudinin - a person who has passed the preliminary selection of about a dozen candidates of the Communist Party and the national-patriotic movements of Russia and nominated by them.
            2. VladGashek
              VladGashek 13 January 2018 19: 36 New
              +2
              By the saying: "The lesser of two evils is chosen." GDP is BIG EVIL. Grudinin is a little evil. So choose.
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 15 January 2018 17: 09 New
                +1
                GDP is honor and glory!
                Verified, successful, experienced politician.
                Grudinin is a small-scale villager who has no experience managing large systems. And what is his education?
                The cat in the bag.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 15 January 2018 19: 27 New
                  +3
                  GDP is honor and glory!
                  Verified, successful, experienced politician. - victor n

                  A politician who took power from the American puppet Yeltsin, and continued his political course, which inevitably consolidated the comprador oligarchic power, increasing the number of oligarchs from ten to hundreds, giving them 99% of the once nation-wide state property, and bringing half of the population to poverty and destitution.
                  So, what is better than P. Grudinin with his socialist program of building a socially just state for the absolute majority of the people.
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 13 January 2018 14: 19 New
          15
          Yes, stop. You are already campaigning for Grudinin, the same oligarch as everyone. - lis-ik

          Looks like you're an amateur in politics.
          The oligarch is not just a rich and earning much. The oligarchs, in addition to wealth, are characterized by the complete merger of wealth and power, which very much affects power in their own interests, the interests of their oligarchic class of the modern big bourgeoisie.
          P. Grudinin in no way by this definition - influence on power, can not be called an oligarch.
          P. Grudinin is the only real competitor to V. Putin in the election of the President of Russia.
          Moreover, he, Grudinin, is a rival to Putin mainly, which should determine for whom to vote for - in ideology.
          V. Putin is a supporter of the liberal ideology of the bourgeois oligarchic class, a representative of the modern oligarchy of Russia, expressing its interests.
          P. Grudinin is a supporter of the socialist ideology of social justice for the whole people, he is a representative of the working people, and expresses their interests.
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 13 January 2018 14: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Yes, stop. You are already campaigning for Grudinin, the same oligarch as everyone. - lis-ik

            Looks like you're an amateur in politics.
            The oligarch is not just a rich and earning much. The oligarchs, in addition to wealth, are characterized by the complete merger of wealth and power, which very much affects power in their own interests, the interests of their oligarchic class of the modern big bourgeoisie.
            P. Grudinin in no way by this definition - influence on power, can not be called an oligarch.
            P. Grudinin is the only real competitor to V. Putin in the election of the President of Russia.
            Moreover, he, Grudinin, is a rival to Putin mainly, which should determine for whom to vote for - in ideology.
            V. Putin is a supporter of the liberal ideology of the bourgeois oligarchic class, a representative of the modern oligarchy of Russia, expressing its interests.
            P. Grudinin is a supporter of the socialist ideology of social justice for the whole people, he is a representative of the working people, and expresses their interests.

            I exaggerated, for the prostate perception, but about the common people you got excited, remember where the lands of the state farm of Lenin are. This is where the economic “miracle” happened.
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 13 January 2018 15: 23 New
              +2
              Speaking of strawberries. I didn’t see it near Moscow, only in the morning I got into a store, everywhere Turkey and Greece. Where is Moscow Region? I really don’t know! Maybe a simple outbid?
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 14 January 2018 02: 34 New
                +6
                Quote: lis-ik
                only in the morning a store popped up, everywhere Turkey and Greece. Where is Moscow Region?

                And why did you decide that they have strawberries grown year-round? It grows when it should be in our strip - in the summer! And not like the GMOs that the "partners" regularly supply you with.
                And by the way, in addition to strawberries, the state farm is engaged in a lot of agricultural work, so there is enough work for year-round activities.
          2. soloveyav
            soloveyav 13 January 2018 17: 27 New
            0
            I would like to believe that he is a competitor, but 18 years ago Grudinin was Putin's confidant in the elections
            http://tass.ru/info/4838426
            So it is very likely that an old friend was asked to play in the crowd, so to speak: if you want a socialist - here you are
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 13 January 2018 18: 28 New
              +4
              So it is very likely that an old friend was asked to play in the crowd, so to speak: if you want a socialist - here you are - soloveyav

              I advise you to look at the history of the nomination of P. Grudinin from the Communists of the Communist Party and the people's patriotic forces. He underwent a serious selection from parties and movements, which are serious opposition forces of the current government, and therefore there was no "asked to play extras" in fact.
              This scenario applies to other presidential candidates, such as Sobchak, candidates from false parties, the so-called parties of spoilers such as "Communists of Russia", "Communist Party" - the Cossack party of the Russian Federation, etc.
            2. Galleon
              Galleon 16 January 2018 12: 21 New
              +1
              And you forgot how 22 years ago they voted for Yeltsin? So what to do with you now?
        3. Tamagon
          Tamagon 14 January 2018 11: 04 New
          +2
          Found an oligarch 37 million rubles. do not tell my slippers.
      5. albert
        albert 13 January 2018 18: 33 New
        +9
        Quote: populist
        Only Grudinin and the government of public confidence can turn Russia onto the "Chinese" path of development with the support of a broad front of left-wing and national-patriotic forces

        In fact, it is really surprising that the left and right have united and are going to the polls on one front. This means that Grudinin has real chances to win, judging by the hysteria of Kremlin bots of all stripes on the Internet.
        1. Baikal
          Baikal 14 January 2018 01: 07 New
          +2
          I am not familiar with kremlebots, but the fact that you suspiciously look like a mud ... aka - obviously laughing
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 16 January 2018 17: 56 New
            +3
            Quote: Baikal
            mud ... aka

            Filter the bazaar, "polkan". Otherwise, only once again push people away from that power for which you so advocate.
            1. Baikal
              Baikal 17 January 2018 17: 15 New
              0
              I pointedly put a red stump on the collar of a fresh sternum laughing
              Che you get up like a schoolgirl? I didn’t contact you)
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 17 January 2018 23: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: Baikal
                Che you get up like a schoolgirl? I didn’t contact you)

                I do not get upset, but I make a specific remark not to the extent of the pro-Putin prowessful henchman.
                If you defend your candidate - learn to do it with dignity. But you can’t - be silent meaningfully, there will be more sense. VO, it seems, is not garbage, communication in the Cockney style does not roll .. or am I wrong, and can anyone get into a rotten market here?
      6. Baikal
        Baikal 14 January 2018 01: 06 New
        0
        populist, the breastin vegetable does not pull a mouth?)
        Bot, in a word.
    4. 210ox
      210ox 13 January 2018 10: 15 New
      +8
      Vladimir hi He said the right thing. But to do this, you need to change the Constitution. Where it is said about the prohibition of any ideology. Something like this ...
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Well ! Well done ! All laid out on the shelves! Guide to action.
      It’s a pity, but they don’t hear him in the Kremlin!
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 13 January 2018 13: 23 New
        +5
        Glazyev lives in another world. A kind of cozy room in which he gives his lectures. And behind the doors of the hall is real life. What is the ideology? Let him look into the Constitution. What is the socialist choice in the current alignment of the owners of all the country's resources? Revolution? Passed already.
        I have said many times that in our country the overwhelming majority of citizens of the country always vote for the current government. Therefore, changes in politics, economics and ideology will have a chance only if this initiative comes from the president. That's just something like this is not observed.
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 14 January 2018 01: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Reserve officer
          changes in politics, economics and ideology will only have a chance if this initiative comes from the president

          Well, why?
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Revolution? Already passed
          And got a powerful experience! Which, by the way, no one seriously analyzed: either strictly "for" - or shrill "against." And global changes have occurred, and "immediately" (by historical standards, of course).
          And I’m not waiting for the President of the current such initiatives for a long time - since in May 2014 he “worked” 180 degrees in relation to the Donbass, after a conversation with Didier Burkhalter .. History has shown that that “deflection” was not set off - but the line still does not change.
          WELCOME, ALEXEI! A thousand years - a thousand winters! hi drinks
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 14 January 2018 14: 00 New
            +1
            Sergey, welcome! Very glad to see.
            I wrote about this and that there are no initiatives from the president. If you analyze everything in detail, then a long conversation will turn out. And honestly, speaking, there is no desire to talk on this topic. Air shake, no more.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 03 New
              0
              Quote: Reserve officer
              honestly speaking, there is no desire to talk on this topic. Air shake, no more.

              Well, that means we won’t .. but in this case it remains to go to the churchyard, and there peacefully wait for the end .. no offense! There was a chance to vote for a real candidate, which was not during several election campaigns! And I personally do not reward using it. Even in case of failure, Grudinin will enter into a serious political circle, and to the next. the election may well succeed. hi
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer 16 January 2018 18: 39 New
                +1
                I will also vote for Grudinin. I know that they won’t let him win. But I’ll vote for him, if only because after 10-15 years I could honestly look into the eyes of my grandchildren when they ask, “Where were you all at that time?” And they will ask for sure. And not only them. It's so exciting to blame the previous generation. As it is now fashionable to blame everyone for the collapse of the USSR.
                Sergey, everyone has long decided on their preferences.
                Therefore, I repeat - there is no desire to talk on this topic. Air shake.
    5. tracer
      tracer 13 January 2018 16: 01 New
      +3
      He is an adviser to the president of Russia. What does this tell you? Another thing is that we must act gradually, otherwise things will go like in Khokhlostan. New frames need to be grown.
      1. Plate
        Plate 15 January 2018 14: 33 New
        0
        What does this tell you?

        The very first thought is rarely correct, but still I will express it. The fact that he is simply gaining a political rating for himself with such arguments, while not wanting to really do anything and promote.
        1. Victor N
          Victor N 15 January 2018 17: 23 New
          0
          Sergei Glazyev is not a politician, but a scientist.
          So far, NOBODY has spoken out on the merits of the article - there is no competence.
          But the bottom line is that: we must abandon the dogma, as China did. And build a social state (not socialist in the old sense). Are able to realize, assimilate, refuse and act?
    6. SCHNIFER
      SCHNIFER 13 January 2018 19: 08 New
      0
      It’s a pity that Grudinin, not him .... really sorry. The left will not give another chance.
    7. Plate
      Plate 15 January 2018 14: 31 New
      +1
      I agree that Russia needs to go "to the left." This is clearly indicated by our experience (the huge growth rate in the early years of the USSR), and Chinese. As part of this article, I completely agree with the author. However, it is not disclosed exactly how to make such a transition (I saw that the description of this is beyond the scope of the article, but I would like to see the continuation of this at VO, just going beyond that). In addition, it is not clear how to resist the liberals who have seated in key posts. Indeed, if they decide to pull them out of the system, they can ruin it all: undermine the economy (in the case of the Central Bank’s control, lower the rate to zero, causing inflation and a credit boom, and then sharply tear it up so that everyone remains with a bunch of loans, and the real sector economies without money, this is just what I see, and they see anyway more opportunities to do it), take out the remaining money, lower the remaining shares of key companies into Western hands ... It’s scary to imagine. Such a delicate issue also needs to be addressed.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 15 January 2018 17: 30 New
        0
        Glazyev published a lot on topics of interest to you, you will easily find. It’s hard to implement, but something is already being done. Not all notice this, which is good. Putin needs our help. Who does not understand - let him sit on a small bench, discuss Grudinin, Sobchak and others .....
        1. Plate
          Plate 16 January 2018 14: 16 New
          0
          Can you tell me what to drive in a search engine in order to find?
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Victor N
          Putin needs our help.

          ????? The coolest President needs OUR help ?! You didn’t mix anything up? ..
          So far, Mr. Putin continues to listen to Mr. Kudrin. So with the social projects of Glazyev, he (Putin) doesn’t need you laughing
  2. Boris55
    Boris55 13 January 2018 09: 02 New
    +3
    What ideology will lift Russia

    Which one? The one for which the people will vote. How much can you trust the Lapps? Have the 90s taught anyone anything? If someone forgot, Glazyev offered to sell all our mineral resources to private individuals. Chubais’s laurels keep him awake ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 January 2018 09: 53 New
      13
      Quote: Boris55
      If someone forgot, Glazyev offered to sell all our mineral resources to private individuals. Chubais’s laurels keep him awake ...

      Do not be unfounded, show where and when Glazyev said this? Surprise us!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 13 January 2018 10: 09 New
        0
        It was in that century and remained only in memory. But I assure you, I heard this from him, not personally, but on TV in some kind of broadcast and he talked about it quite seriously there .. Unfortunately, at that time I did not have an Internet. So you can believe, but you can not believe.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 13 January 2018 10: 56 New
          13
          Quote: Boris55
          It was in that century and remained only in memory. But I assure you, I heard this from him, not personally

          Well what are you! Your words are quite enough. How could I have never guessed that about the communist Glazyev for one with the liberal Chubais! Thank you, you opened my eyes. But what if you had no Internet at that time, then no one recorded the program then? ... It's a pity.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 13 January 2018 11: 10 New
            0
            Quote: Stas157
            There was no Internet at that time, and no one recorded the program either?

            Glazyev about natural rent: ~ 3 min.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 13 January 2018 11: 17 New
              +8
              Quote: Boris55
              About these statements Glazyev is in lectures by Mr. K.P. Petrov.

              And who is Petrov? Probably a very honest person who can also be taken a word?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 13 January 2018 11: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                And who is Petrov? Probably a very honest person who can also be taken a word?

                Inet to help. See the video above. 3:43 - "... the state, as the owner resources sold..."
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 13 January 2018 11: 26 New
              14
              Quote: Boris55
              Glazyev about natural rent: ~ 3 min.

              Where are his statements there that they say the bowels MUST belong to private individuals? On the contrary, Glazyev argues that natural resources should belong to the whole people, and not to a handful of the elect!
              Quote: Boris55
              Inet to help you. See the video above.

              Thank you, you already helped me a lot!
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 13 January 2018 11: 28 New
                0
                Quote: Stas157
                Where are his statements there that they say the bowels MUST belong to private individuals?

                And to whom, in your opinion, he offers the state to sell natural resources and get rent from this. wassat
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 13 January 2018 11: 41 New
                  0
                  Starting from the 22nd minute, his reasoning is just as interesting as how the state should not do anything and only get money ...
                2. Victor N
                  Victor N 15 January 2018 17: 37 New
                  0
                  Bois55, you, apparently, did not understand a little: it is possible to withdraw the rent only upon completion of the purchase-sale certificate. And the state can sell to whom? - Only private traders.
          2. Svist
            Svist 14 January 2018 05: 21 New
            +2
            "But I assure you, I heard this from him, not personally, but on TV in some kind of broadcast" (C)
            Gentlemen need to take a word! smile
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 13 January 2018 10: 14 New
      +3
      Has the whole nation really voted for this power elite?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 January 2018 11: 15 New
        +6
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Has the whole nation really voted for this power elite?

        Are you laughing? This is not the people voted, it is 146% wassat
    3. The comment was deleted.
  3. tasha
    tasha 13 January 2018 09: 22 New
    +1
    A good description of the current situation in the country and a lot of words about how to be ...
    It is completely unclear what to do, what steps to take ...
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 January 2018 11: 16 New
      13
      Quote: tasha
      It is completely unclear what to do, what steps to take ..

      1. tasha
        tasha 13 January 2018 14: 26 New
        +2
        Thank. And he looked and read ... The points of the program, I think smart people will understand .. The first impression is populism ... The real life is much harsher ... How Grudinin and his advisers behave when faced with reality is a big, big question .. .
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 13 January 2018 17: 22 New
          +4
          There is no question here. they will behave as the situation dictates. And since they said "not an oligarch" as they said above, then to become them they will need to quickly fit into the current system. To make it faster, and to be more polite, such a character will do anything - that is, simply surrender everything with giblets to “partners”. And everything that has been done these 17 years, and is being done now - everything will go to the furnace.
          Well this is obvious, spruce-burns! Well, look at his program, read - the cheapest populism that can plug in a belt similar to that of the liberals.
          1. tasha
            tasha 13 January 2018 17: 58 New
            +1
            And since the sternum as above said "not an oligarch"

            In the comments on one of the articles, I tried to convince my opponent that Grudinin is an oligarch. Shallow ... I don’t know if I succeeded ...
          2. rul
            rul 16 January 2018 00: 07 New
            0
            Quote: Mestny
            And everything that has been done these 17 years, and is being done now - everything will go to the furnace.

            For this, there is a change of power in the whole normal world, and not continuity or heredity, which would try to move forward THEM or in another way. Without turning in the main direction, different parties complement each other with new economic ideas, new approaches in new realities. And what has been done for over 18 years now? One course, one idea, one approach, one addiction and many, many words about development. This is necessary in the furnace. Moreover, if it does not work out in milder ways, then apply exactly hard ones. The financial system works in the West, economic and industrial development of only those industries that are engaged in the transfer of mineral resources to the West. All main revenue remains in the West. Merit in an extensive corruption network built into the vertical of power? Moreover, those who have already tried to search for any reason the truth in this system, know not by hearsay about the size of this octopus. And I had a chance to meet recently, although I, like many in Russia, also constantly believed and persuaded myself to give another chance. Enough! If the octopus does not want Russia's good, then it must be disposed of.
  4. Egoza
    Egoza 13 January 2018 09: 24 New
    16
    Only the ideology of socialism is acceptable to Russia. And it is precisely to her that the country will come, it is the people who will demand it, and in the very near future.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 13 January 2018 10: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Only the ideology of socialism is acceptable to Russia.

      hi
      And our socialism is so different (Totsky, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev, Hunchback).
      What kind of person are you: just socialism, developed socialism or socialism with a human face?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 January 2018 11: 32 New
        +9
        Quote: Boris55
        What kind of person are you: just socialism, developed socialism or socialism with a human face?

        FOR REAL SOCIALISM! From comrade I.V. Stalin.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 13 January 2018 11: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          FOR REAL SOCIALISM! From comrade I.V. Stalin.

          I agree!
        2. Romey
          Romey 13 January 2018 14: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Boris55
          What kind of person are you: just socialism, developed socialism or socialism with a human face?

          FOR REAL SOCIALISM! From comrade I.V. Stalin.

          This is impossible, because it is impossible to revive Stalin. Another country, another psychology, other tasks. It is necessary to discard the dogma that destroyed the USSR, to work on a new version that will suit everyone. Like Chinese or Vietnamese. With pronounced national features.
        3. Victor N
          Victor N 15 January 2018 17: 41 New
          0
          And what do you dislike about the Swedish version? Khrushchev envied!
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 13 January 2018 11: 59 New
        10
        Quote: Boris55
        And our socialism is so different (Totsky, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev, Hunchback).
        What kind of person are you: just socialism, developed socialism or socialism with a human face?

        Everyone had their own mistakes. There were distortions and excesses. But this does not mean that socialism is bad. Socialism is, above all, the economic principle of the redistribution of the final product of labor. From each according to his ability, to each according to his work. Nothing is better than this until it has been implemented. The political system may be different. And it’s not at all necessary that there must be a dictatorship and an iron curtain, and that the purchase of foreign currency is perceived as a crime.
        Current capitalism in Russia is a step back into the past. The future is socialism. It will be a pity if the world's first socialist country gets there again last! Therefore, we are not sitting at home, but we will support presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 13 January 2018 12: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          Therefore, we are not sitting at home, but we will support presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin.

          Do you suggest returning to the 90s?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 13 January 2018 13: 42 New
            14
            Quote: Boris55
            Do you suggest returning to the 90s?

            Do you have exclusive information again? You either connected Glazyev with Chubais, now you want to tie Grudin to the Americans! Where do you get all this from?
            It is absolutely clear that this hour, when Grudinin wins Putin twice in the number of votes in various online voting, where tens of thousands of people are participating (and there will be hundreds soon!), This is a red lamp to the oligarchy and the entire top leadership! Therefore, they will use all means to bring down Grudinin, to discredit him in the eyes of voters. They will dirty and dirty it, looking for more and more new evidence!
            Good advice to you. Do not duplicate this rubbish. Do not disgrace yourself. You play into the hands of the oligarchy. They can do it well without you.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 13 January 2018 13: 54 New
              +7
              Quote: Stas157
              Quote: Boris55
              Do you suggest returning to the 90s?
              Do you have exclusive information again? You either connected Glazyev with Chubais, now you want to tie Grudin to the Americans! Where do you get all this from?

              Boris 55 draws info in a large closet by the name of litter-tv, he has long been inserted a bolt in his ear and is continuously broadcasting wassat
              In general informorrrr wink
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 13 January 2018 15: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: Stas157
                Where do you get all this from?

                Quote: Stroporez
                In general informorrrr

                Sleeping - woke up, canned food - opened. Congratulations on your self-disclosure.
                I have already written here more than once. 1) It was NOT necessary to let Russia fall apart. 2) It was necessary to feed people. 3) Provide food and military security. 4) Ensure the economic security and prosperity of the country - which is what Putin will have to do in the next term of the presidency.
                There is no point in fighting for the independence of a crumbling state. The hungry people are unable to restore anything. Etc. Everything goes according to plan. Do not bother him. But this issue will be decided by another president.
                The goal of Grudilin, and all who stand behind him and all those who support him, is to prevent Putin from realizing the fourth point of the plan - to make Russia a prosperous state.
                Only when the country is completely independent, it will be possible to resolve the issue with the oligarchs, not earlier. In the meantime, we are dependent on green, all the mission’s words about its ability to solve all problems in two tributaries in three flocks - noodles on the ears. But this issue will be decided by another president (Not Putin).
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 13 January 2018 15: 11 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Boris55
                  The goal of Grudilin, and all who stand behind him and all those who support him, prevent Putin from implementing point four plan - to make Russia a prosperous state.

                  Prior to this, sticks were put into the wheels of the libaryl, ladies and the 1125th column were inserted. wassat
                  And now here are the Breast Companions laughing
                  Don't you find it funny, Colleague?
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 13 January 2018 15: 14 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Don't you find it funny, Colleague?

                    Is the plan that I outlined above, in spite of any liberal sticks in wheels, fulfilled? Yes - three points completed. What reason do you have to assume that paragraph 4 will not be implemented?
                    Nobody doubts that Putin will be chosen. The degree of his ability to pursue his policy depends on the result with which he wins.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 13 January 2018 15: 20 New
                      +6
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Is the plan that I outlined above fulfilled?

                      Yeah, it's called Utilization of Russia. Without high oil prices, everything would have collapsed long ago.
                      Quote: Boris55
                      What reason do you have to assume that paragraph 4 will not be implemented?

                      Sahibzadovna does not believe this.
                      Do not entertain yourself with illusions - everything is very bad, and perhaps even worse.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 13 January 2018 15: 22 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        Do not entertain yourself with illusions - everything is very bad, and perhaps even worse.

                        A sweet lie, always more pleasant than the bitter truth.
                    2. avia1991
                      avia1991 14 January 2018 02: 55 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Yes - three points completed.

                      Really ?! What are these?
                      I can agree with the first one - this is just a fact. Apparently, they managed to convince the then oligarchs that it would be more reliable to feed from a large country,
                      having nuclear weapons - there are more chances that those who are stronger will not be "squeezed out" of the feeder.
                      And then what?
                      Quote: Boris55
                      2) It was necessary to feed people. 3) Ensure food and military security
                      Fed the people? THAN?! Artificial products in which a scanty addition of natural ingredients? What about food security? Growing dofig bread? For your information, the amount that is collected should hardly be enough to NORMALLY meet the needs of the country - provided, of course, that we will not kill livestock. But we sell the best grain over a hill - because some people need bucks - and feed the population bread from feed grains, from flour mixed with starch, and to be faithful bleached with chemistry! WONDERFUL CONCEPT! There is no seed fund, livestock breeding is in full swing, agricultural machinery is produced, God forbid, 10% of the Soviet period .. What do you call security?
                      As for the army, one can rejoice that at least its prestige has been raised, really. But my godfather returned recently from an urgent one, and from his stories it became clear that before the idyll in the sun - even like the moon with cancer ..
                      We are able to withstand regional conflicts, but in a more serious war we can only oppose nuclear weapons - conventional forces will last for a short time, but where are the reserves? These guys, or something, which during the year do not always have time to teach even Kalashnikov to disassemble, assemble?
                      So, let's pretend to be objective, we will talk about real things, and not about what I would like to see. hi
                  2. Boris55
                    Boris55 14 January 2018 08: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    And now here are the Breast Companions

                    For whom are the CPRFs proposing to vote, the slanderers of those who organized the restructuring of the 90s.

                    "... LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky calculated the amount of foreign assets of businessman Pavel Grudinin, who is a candidate for president of Russia from the Communist Party. According to the leader of the liberal democrats, about 5 billion rubles are in the communist’s bank accounts.
                    “Here are the securities. Structured note - 200 pieces, Eurobonds - 200 pieces and an option. These are types of securities <...> The communists finally turned towards capitalism. They are leading their billionaire candidate to the polls, "Zhirinovsky said ..."
                    https://iz.ru/694796/2018-01-12/zhirinovskii-nazv
                    al-summu-zarubezhnykh-aktivov-grudinina
                2. Romey
                  Romey 13 January 2018 16: 19 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Where do you get all this from?

                  Quote: Stroporez
                  In general informorrrr


                  I have already written here more than once. 1) It was NOT necessary to let Russia fall apart. 2) It was necessary to feed people. 3) Provide food and military security. 4) Ensure the economic security and prosperity of the country - which is what Putin will have to do in the next term of the presidency.

                  Again HPP ?! It's just some kind of holiday !!! laughing laughing laughing Continue to delight. More nonsense per square centimeter from Putin fans - we have less haemorrhoids with campaigning.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 16: 30 New
                    +7
                    Quote: romey
                    we have less hemorrhoids with election campaigning

                    Hurry to rejoice and have fun.
                    You have only two months left.
      3. xtur
        xtur 13 January 2018 12: 29 New
        +4
        > what are you for: just socialism, developed socialism or socialism with a human face?

        If you were aware of Glazyev’s work and his point of view, you would have asked a different question - are you for equilibrium economic theory, or for nonequilibrium ? In general, there is a Nobel laureate Prigozhin, who well laid out the theory of nonequilibrium processes. The problem of the theory of socialism was that it developed at a time when the theory of nonequilibrium processes did not exist in science, and they tried to present the theory of socialism in a language that was not suitable for this, respectively, the essence of socialism was distorted and limited

        An example of equilibrium processes is the 19th century market, processes that are described by classical thermodynamics. And an example of nonequilibrium processes are processes in living organisms.
        The socialist economy has always been nonequilibrium system, which had three degrees of isolation from the outside world - the state’s currency monopoly, and the disjoint areas of cashless and cash payment.
        Glazyev holds the view on economics as nonequilibrium system, simply according to his statements, modern Western economies with their credit pumping are also nonequilibrium systems in which demand is planned and created.

        Simply, if Glazyev had good IT assistants, they would explain to him that in any nonequilibrium system, information flows exist and occupy the main place, and that in the field of information there is its own production cycle, independent of the material, which means that society is described not by the vector of class contradictions, but by a whole matrix, and there is no class struggle as a source of historical development, and therefore there are no rigid boundaries between socialism and capitalism

        But even without this, Glazyev is a supporter of a mixed economy that combines competition with planning and control over the banking system.
    2. atos_kin
      atos_kin 13 January 2018 10: 17 New
      +1
      The irremovable leader does not think so and the people in the elections will confirm this.
  5. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 13 January 2018 10: 03 New
    +4
    "Science and .... religion" ....- this phrase dude leaked all his, in general, the correct article in the toilet ... lol
  6. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 13 January 2018 10: 13 New
    +9
    Dear Sergey! I completely agree with you, wrote and talked about this a few years ago. China made very correct conclusions after the events in Tiananmen Square. For ten years, the Chinese leadership has focused on solving domestic problems and only then rushed into foreign policy. Unfortunately, the current government of Russia is not able to do this. The current elites of Russia are firmly embedded in the conglomerate of Western elites, though on vassal terms. Therefore, we have what we have. A critical situation with domestic politics and the lack of potential and desire to solve it.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 15 January 2018 18: 23 New
      0
      Amazing blindness!
      However, if you want to break the state from the inside-it’s understandable, your ally is the State Department.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 15 January 2018 19: 05 New
        +1
        Amazing optimism based on nothing! However, if you want to sing along to power, your ally is the Presidential Administration. Be so kind, open my eyes!
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 15 January 2018 19: 07 New
        +1
        The State Department is the "respected partner" of your owners from the Russian oligarchy, and the hired manager of the Russian oligarchy Putin himself always emphasizes this.
  7. tasha
    tasha 13 January 2018 10: 14 New
    +1
    without a criterion for matching decisions to the interests of improving public welfare, the management system will be devoid of the core - the responsibility of officials and heads of state corporations for specific results of their work. She will remain corrupt and incompetent.

    It is necessary to build towers with emitters .. wink Where to get these criteria? Who will evaluate them? And where to get people?
    the dominant value in public consciousness is social justice.

    I wish Sergey Glazyev wrote his vision of this social justice ... Interesting ..
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 13 January 2018 10: 33 New
      +2
      I wish Sergey Glazyev wrote his vision of this social justice ..


      He wrote at the end of the article his vision of where to “draw” a new “ideology”: from - “religion” wink .... means, in the same place, one must look for a vision of "social justice", is it funny, right? especially given the caste-hierarchical structure of the Russian Orthodox Church ... Well, the author’s thesis about "socialism" in India is funny ... That's exactly where "socialism" is so "socialism" .... lol
  8. midshipman
    midshipman 13 January 2018 10: 32 New
    +7
    S.Yu. Glazyev, as readers note, put everything on the shelves. I can add the following: 1. Regarding labor productivity, the conclusion is erroneous. If we compare the products by the complexity of its manufacture, we are not far behind in a number of sectors (especially in the defense industry); 2. An innovative feature of the industry. The government generally dropped it from consideration in the Russian Federation. Example: in 2017, about 1,3 million units in science received patents in science. In Russia, only about 30 thousand units. I remember for one of my patents on the “Antenna on the tube of the LDPE of a supersonic fighter plane”, I received a reward of more than 5 thousand rubles (this was in the early 70's). My wife and I were able to buy a three-room apartment in Leningrad on Vasilevsky Island, 3. I had submachine gun shops at 45 enterprises (5 GU MRP USSR), there was even one automatic plant. And how many HAPs were there; 4. According to the Gini index, if 10% of the country's population has an income of more than 100% of the rest of the population, wait for resentment in society. And in our country 1% of the population owns 90% of the country's wealth; 5. Candidates for the post of President of Russia. Even from the Communist Party, the candidate has an income of more than 5 billion rubles. How can it be. The head of the department at Universities has an income of about 40 thousand rubles. And how much does a young specialist earn. How can he find a job.
    I have the honor.
    1. populist
      populist 13 January 2018 11: 01 New
      +1
      Grudinin’s total income over the past six years amounted to 157,41 million rubles.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 13 January 2018 11: 19 New
        +9
        Quote: populist
        Grudinin’s total income over the past six years amounted to 157,41 million rubles.

        Sechin cuts 5 million a day!
        1. populist
          populist 13 January 2018 13: 32 New
          +5
          Sling cutter
          Quote: populist
          Grudinin’s total income over the past six years amounted to 157,41 million rubles.

          Sechin cuts 5 million a day!

          I just clarified the previous comment of the midshipman where the income of 5 mln was erroneously indicated. An income of 30 ml per year is the income of a middle-aged businessman.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 January 2018 13: 35 New
            +4
            Quote: populist
            I just clarified the previous comment of the midshipman where the income of 5 mln was erroneously indicated. An income of 30 ml per year is the income of a middle-aged businessman.

            Sorry, Colleague, I misunderstood hi
        2. avia1991
          avia1991 14 January 2018 03: 06 New
          +3
          Quote: Stroporez
          Sechin cuts 5 million a day!

          In sweating, probably, poor thing, from such hard labor .. laughing
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 13 January 2018 11: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: midshipman
      S.Yu. Glazyev, as readers note, put everything on the shelves

      It’s beautiful to say the right words, they’re all masters, but how it comes to business, where does everything go ...
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 13 January 2018 10: 42 New
    +5
    It is clear that the CPSU is impossible to revive, and it is not necessary.
    ... Of all the existing parties in Russia, not one is the bearer of socialist ideology .. even the Communist Party ... The Russian Orthodox Church? ... So since the 16th century it is a "money-grubbing" church ... In the literal and figurative sense .. My ancestors on the paternal side, being supporters of "non-possessors", fled to the Urals ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 13 January 2018 10: 53 New
      +7
      One has only to open a query in Google: "Russian folk proverbs, sayings, sayings about priests" .... and .... so much "interesting" falls out that you start to think about "age-old", "popular love" for the Russian Orthodox Church. .. wink
      1. pilot69
        pilot69 13 January 2018 13: 17 New
        +6
        Yes, that’s right, the first thing that comes to mind is "what kind of pop - such is the coming."
        Substitution of concepts is the best way to "powder" the brain of the people. Somehow imperceptibly, we mixed two concepts - faith and religion. External attributes completely replaced faith. It is disgusting to observe on church holidays on the main TV channels of the baptized Communists !!! (Communists, Karl !!!)
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 13 January 2018 18: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        that you begin to think about the "age-old", "popular love" for the Russian Orthodox Church ...

        You are mistaken, the Church has always been and will be persecuted, and so it will be until the end of the century.
        And while they will persecute and insult the Church, it means that it is alive, it’s us only in joy, believe me.
  10. basmach
    basmach 13 January 2018 11: 11 New
    +2
    Here's the ear. And most importantly, under what sauce. Everything is classic, a lie mixed up with the truth. It is not necessary to identify ideological meanings with ideology; these are different concepts. Religion, if it is the bearer of the idea, is the idea of ​​patience and humility — there is no talk of any socialist orientation — rather, the idea of ​​slavish humility is applicable.
    And about China. The basic economic law of socialism has been formulated for a long time (and Glazyev is simply obliged to know it) - "ensuring the maximum satisfaction of the material and cultural needs of society; instead of developing production with interruptions from recovery to crisis and from crisis to recovery - continuous growth of production; instead of periodic interruptions in development "technology, accompanied by the destruction of the productive forces of society, - the continuous improvement of production on the basis of high technology." I. Stalin Economic problems of socialism in the USSR
    And if you look at China, the crisis of overproduction (and other signs of capitalism, or rather imperialism) are manifested more and more there. The CCP went the same way as the CPSU
    The bearer of ideology is precisely the party. The party is the alloy of ideology and its members, who formulate and promote this ideology to the masses. Because the masses are basically inert and apolitical.
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  12. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 11: 47 New
    +5
    Oh, again cat-eyed on the horizon ... and again mountains of delirium.
    To rake all this “goodness” is lazy and pointless, I will walk through the most outstanding, ahem ... pearls:
    The second world of socialist countries ... taking into account the socialist orientation of not only China, but also India and the countries of Indochina

    Oh how. India, it turns out, has a "socialist orientation." And in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Malaysia and Thailand.
    Cool.
    There is only a suspicion that they themselves do not know about it. And in general, no one knows, except for the "academician" Glazyev good
    Outpacing the pace of socio-economic development of the country of the first world by two to three times, the second world ...

    When there is nothing, “getting ahead of the pace of development” is not just easy, but easier than easy.
    In that year, the pension is $ 1, and this year it’s already 5 ... an increase of 500%, to foreigners.
    Ethiopia climbing out of poverty is an example. with double-digit GDP growth ...

    ... exactly yes
    Speaking of birdies pensions:
    Residents of rural areas do not pay pension contributions from income, and therefore do not receive a retirement pension. ... The average pension in China is 900-1300 yuan ($ 145-210)

    Socialist orientation in action, og ...
    Screamers about Russian pensions (the middle ones), ooo-oooo ...
    ... the second world in ten years will dominate the planet

    God grant our calves, let the wolf bite.
    And the tortoise finally catch up with Achilles laughing
    But the Kotoglazyevs have already stopped making fools of the people ... although this is certainly not likely, they receive money for this and do not know how to do anything else (except to fool) request
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 13 January 2018 13: 19 New
      +4
      and again the mountains of delirium.
      What is your evidence?
      suspicion,
      you can’t come to suspicion
      oooo oooo ...
      and again emotions, and where is the evidence
      And the Kotoglazyevs have ceased to fool people
      firstly, insulting a member of the presidential council; secondly, only the current government and the head are allowed to fool people?
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  13. Starik72
    Starik72 13 January 2018 12: 00 New
    +5
    What kind of social justice can there be in a country when there are RICH AND POOR in the country ??? What can be social justice when there is no EQUAL CONDITIONS and EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES for ALL ??? What kind of social justice can there be when the country does not have equality before the LAW, when laws are written for the poor, but for the rich they do not exist ??? Now, when those criteria that are named are put at the head of ideology, then there will be social justice in the state!
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 15 January 2018 18: 34 New
      0
      Have you read about utopia?
      Inequality has ALWAYS been, is and will be. This world is so arranged: accept or depart. But a comfortable place in such a world can be taken only by its rules and personal efforts, not hoping for help and a miracle.
      1. Starik72
        Starik72 16 January 2018 17: 06 New
        +1
        Victor N. Flag YOU in hand. Live and survive in this crazy society of capitalism.
      2. avia1991
        avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Victor N
        a comfortable place in such a world can be taken only by its rules and personal efforts

        ..particularly about personal efforts I liked .. Sechnin’s son, apparently, a management genius? And the son of Ragozin? .. Tosca takes for the unit "Rosaviatsii", which he led! .. And what about the "golden youth", very comfortable burning life, without any effort? .. "..I wish you a nap in the dark, happy .."
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2018 12: 32 New
    +3
    To love your country and your people is the whole ideology. And do, do everything for their well-being. In the meantime ... https: //www.gazeta.ru/social/2018/01/11/11
    609642.shtml
  15. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 12: 35 New
    +6
    Quote: Stas157
    The future is socialism. It will be a pity if the world's first socialist country gets there again last

    Damn ... but it’s true - it will be a pity ...
    Stas, you today ... can’t be easily recognized. Though...
    Quote: Stas157
    Therefore, we are not sitting at home, but we will support presidential candidate Pavel Grudinin

    Oh, damn it. And they started so well.
    Catch you, about Grudinin:
    We go to the website of the CEC of the Russian Federation, we see this picture:


    Click on the "Supplement" (circled in red in the picture), download PDF. Open, read ...

    ... and finally we begin to think with our head yes
    1. Liechtensteinische Landesbank is, Stasoffshore. And not just an offshore, but a very cool offshore, neither you nor me will be allowed to go there - stopudovo.
    2. For some reason, Mr. Grudinin has more than 5 billion rubles worth of securities in this bank. belay
    3. Grudinin provided this data himself, to dispute ... tire, in short.
    That's it ... "Grudinin come, put things in order" laughing
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 13 January 2018 13: 22 New
      +8
      Damn ... but it’s true - it will be a pity ...
      and emotions again
      For some reason, Mr. Grudinin has more than 5 billion rubles worth of securities in this bank.
      Why shouldn't a businessman have money, but where does government officials like Seagulls, Medvedev and others get money from?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 13: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: Gardamir
        and emotions again

        Moreover, mind you, positive.
        Your team sometimes wildly amuses me ...
        How’s the T-62-MB tank doing, Gardamir? wassat
      2. Mestny
        Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 50 New
        +4
        I repeat my question - the better businessman Grudinin businessman Chubais for example? Well, or Medvedev?
        And so yes, a businessman - why not have money.
        True, there is one gag - not a single businessman will do what Grudinin promises to do there for the country if he comes to power. We'll have to either remove the cross or put on our underpants.
      3. Tamagon
        Tamagon 14 January 2018 11: 17 New
        +1
        The market value of all securities, not one.
    2. populist
      populist 13 January 2018 13: 45 New
      +3
      . For some reason, Mr. Grudinin has more than 5 billion rubles worth of securities in this bank.

      “At the time of registration of foreign accounts, he does not. Pavel Grudinin filed a notice with the Central Election Commission. Foreign accounts were at the time of nomination, this is permitted by law. But by the time of registration, respectively, these accounts were closed.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 52 New
        +2
        Did you give out money to pensioners? Built enterprises on them, roads?
    3. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 13 January 2018 14: 34 New
      +2
      And why is it difficult to get into this "cool offshore" (by the way, in fact, a bank operating according to Swiss rules, that is, for "non-residents" an obligatory account balance of 200000-500000 euros (or dollars)) ?. Open an account, please, only always keep an account balance of at least 500000 euros (or dollars) ... http: //koffshore.com/bankaccounts/lan
      desbank /
  16. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 January 2018 12: 58 New
    0
    I was then with my people, where, unfortunately, my people were. "A. Akhmatova,
  17. Lexus
    Lexus 13 January 2018 13: 06 New
    +4
    An excellent prime minister would have come out of Glazyev. And the economic bloc can be entrusted to Boldyrev.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 13: 18 New
      +4
      Quote: lexus
      An excellent prime minister would have come out of Glazyev. And the economic bloc can be entrusted to Boldyrev

      good laughing good
  18. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 January 2018 13: 08 New
    +1
    In short, there is only one conclusion: until we eliminate the add-on in the form of commercial banks, nothing will change here. The bank should be one state. We don’t have one, NONE.
  19. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 13 January 2018 13: 11 New
    +4
    2. For some reason, Mr. Grudinin has more than 5 billion rubles worth of securities in this bank 

    So what? At Vovchik for 40 billion dollars of property for third parties issued. Let it save further? Maybe it's time for the slave to free from the galley?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 13: 20 New
      +7
      Is it on the principle of "self" or something?
      These 40 lards were searched firefighters, police all special services of the West.
      And did not find.
      And the Grudininsky money - here it is ... in the offshore, by the way, what is he talking about offshore?
      "Start with yourself" it's called wink
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 14 January 2018 03: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        And the Grudininsky money - here it is ... offshore,

        Quote: Monster_Fat
        And why is it difficult to get into this "cool offshore" (by the way, in fact, a bank operating according to Swiss rules, that is, for "non-residents" an obligatory account balance of 200000-500000 euros (or dollars)) ?. Open account please

        Quote: Golovan Jack
        These 40 lards were searched
        And whose name they were looking for, do not tell?
        At the same time, tell me why did he decide to break up with his wife? And why is it that his completely adult and independent children are hiding so categorically? .. And at the same time explain why his molded friends — childhood, adolescence, and the dashing 90s — have worked with us with such an empty chin in the president’s chair?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 03: 46 New
          +6
          Quote: avia1991
          avia1991

          Water, water ... al-two-oh balmy ...
          That you affirm something, therefore, you and prove.
          Everything else is ... trollism (s) groks laughing
          And they know how to look for Western intelligence services, do not hesitate.
          But - did not find. Pichalka. Them.
          And now for some reason, and you ... whose are you, in general, for some reason? wink
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            But - did not find. Pichalka. Them

            And there may be two reasons:
            1. "Agreed."
            2. Money in Russia, as well as real estate and commercial structures. Do not get them here to the West.
            And further: remember that most of the leaders of the USSR had personal property? Mr. Putin does not look like them from any side - especially judging by his liberal views and capitalist imprisonment. Tell me how he lives on one salary? And how is it that Arkasha Rotenberg, with whom they were engaged in judo in St. Petersburg, gets a contract on the Crimean bridge - without any experience in building bridge crossings ?! By the way .. how did Messrs. Rotenberg become billionaires? What - did he and Putin enter, together with Chubais, Timchenko, etc., in the "Brilliant Boy" club?
            Etc., etc.
            Your justification is: “Yes, I stole, and I’m stealing! But you didn’t catch my hand? So, I’m an honest man!”
            For me, and to hell with him: let him have the money, having the opportunity .. but about the development of our own Russian economy you have to think too! And at least do something for this!
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 46 New
      +3
      Who is Vovchik? Your neighbor You work with him as an accountant, so much in the know where to whom and how much?
      I suspect that all this information is from the relevant press.
  20. rudolff
    rudolff 13 January 2018 14: 30 New
    11
    "Russia fell below average, ending up among third world countries." N-yes ... Never in my life, even in my worst dream, had I thought that I would ever read or hear such a thing. Russia is a third world country! A brain fracture in old age ... And the lumen is not visible. Another five or two years of such "getting up from our knees" and we will become just territory.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 45 New
      +2
      You can rebuke if you are tired of waiting. You only need to vote for the opposition candidate Grudinin.
    2. xtur
      xtur 14 January 2018 15: 21 New
      +1
      > Another five or two years of this "getting up from kolen" and we will become just a territory.

      somewhere I already heard it - explosives with missiles. Only here in nuclear energy the whole world lags behind the Russian Federation by about several tens of years. It is impossible to have such a gap in nuclear energy and catastrophically lag behind in other areas - Nuclear energy is both the highest level of mechanical engineering, and the highest level of materials science, and IT pulls along with it.

      So nothing is yet defined with the future!
      1. karish
        karish 14 January 2018 15: 28 New
        0
        Quote: xtur
        Only here in nuclear energy the whole world lags behind the Russian Federation by about several tens of years

        hi
        If possible, in more detail, what is behind, who is behind and how old.
        Such a categorical statement requires replenishment of the facts.
        Quote: xtur
        It is impossible to have such a gap in nuclear energy and catastrophically lag behind in other areas

        Of course you can.
        1. xtur
          xtur 15 January 2018 00: 15 New
          +1
          > such a peremptory statement requires supporting facts.

          one could agree with this if there wasn’t your next statement

          > of course you can.

          I answered the first of your questions, and when I got to this point, I erased - you are inadequate in your attitude to the Russian Federation and there is no point in giving you arguments.

          PS
          Do you really live in Israel, or is it just that the IP is so defined?
  21. iouris
    iouris 13 January 2018 14: 41 New
    +1
    The bearer of ideology is the party, so you need to start with the party. The party begins with a mission. A party is an organizational structure that should be created. The implementation of the project requires significant investment. So who needs to "raise" Russia to such an extent that he is ready to give his money?
  22. Radikal
    Radikal 13 January 2018 15: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    It was in that century and remained only in memory. But I assure you, I heard this from him, not personally, but on TV in some kind of broadcast and he talked about it quite seriously there .. Unfortunately, at that time I did not have an Internet. So you can believe, but you can not believe.

    Just like in that ancient joke - "I don’t know how, I don’t know where, but the hare sits on the bitch, and sends everyone to x ......! wassat
  23. Mestny
    Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 42 New
    +5
    Quote: vladimirZ
    If there are fair elections, Putin will not be defeated. His victory in the election can only be due to administrative resources and falsification of elections, falsification of its results.

    Well, that is, you declare in advance - only your candidate can win. All other options are dishonest.
    So this is it, strictly according to the training manual, word for word. Only in the previous elections did this apply to the liberal opposition, and now to the opposition of a “different type.
    Incidentally, this is one of the components of the color revolution - by any means to remove the legitimacy of the elections. In some countries, it worked, though with a massive distribution of cookies, and promises of a well-fed European life.
    What are your promises? Building socialism?
  24. a.sirin
    a.sirin 13 January 2018 19: 09 New
    +4
    It depends on what is meant by the rise of the country. if you stick cannon tanks wherever you can, then this is not a climb, this is a known path with a known result.
    The rise - in the "generally accepted" language - means creating conditions for the constant growth, albeit not rapid, of the standard of living of people, especially the so-called "simple". But this requires economic freedom with the least possible corruption and the absence of “businessmen” for the power of businessmen.
    And this, in turn, predetermines the constant change of power.
    Life and its "challenges" are constantly changing. In one historical situation such decisions are needed, in another - others. People - the population - are far from fools and not stupid people, and they understand and feel all these requirements. In one situation, they vote for those who, in their opinion, are better suited to solve the tasks of a given time, in others - for those who, in their opinion, are better suited. Confirmation of this is the constant, although not rapid growth of living standards in countries with regularly replaced authorities.
    The rest is Pharisaism. Especially the mantra of "external threats"
  25. bober1982
    bober1982 13 January 2018 19: 15 New
    +3
    In some ways, Mr. Grudinin reminds Kerensky - a man out of nowhere, when some unknown force (impure) brought the provincial lawyer to the "savior" of Russia, and the current successful "collective farmer" brought the same forces to the same "savior".
    One pleases, the Army and the Russian Guard, all hope for them.
    1. populist
      populist 13 January 2018 19: 37 New
      +2
      bober1982
      One pleases, the Army and the Russian Guard, all hope for them

      Until February 1917, that was also the case. wink
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 13 January 2018 19: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: populist
        Until February 1917, that was also the case.

        No, it wasn’t, you are mistaken.
        In 1905 the army and the gendarmerie were on the side of the government, and therefore managed to suppress the troubles, and by February 1917. they were completely demoralized, and so easily overthrew power. Now it will not work, not 1991.
        1. Romey
          Romey 13 January 2018 20: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: populist
          Until February 1917, that was also the case.

          Now it will not work, not 1991.

          This is for now. Before the maturity of the second and main condition for the maturation of the revolutionary situation - when the authorities cannot control in the old way. When there is nothing to pay, the loyalty of the army and the National Guard with the psychology of the condottieres instilled in them can be safely called into question.
          Quote: bober1982
          Quote: populist
          Until February 1917, that was also the case.

          No, it wasn’t, you are mistaken.
          In 1905 the army and the gendarmerie were on the side of the government, and therefore managed to suppress the troubles, and by February 1917. they were completely demoralized, so it was so easy to overthrow the government

          This is not true. In February 1917, there was no question of some kind of demoralization of the personnel of the army and special services directly. Simply, all attention was focused on the conduct of hostilities with an external enemy. Therefore, the conspiracy of the Duma and generals was carried out with extraordinary ease and was met with surprise even by the Bolsheviks.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 13 January 2018 21: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: romey
            In February 1917, there could be no talk of some kind of demoralization of the personnel of the army and special services directly.

            The highest ranks of the gendarmerie and army openly worked for the collapse of power. The personnel were rabble, and you are talking about some kind of demoralization.
            Quote: romey
            Therefore, the conspiracy of the Duma and generals was carried out with extraordinary ease.

            Here I completely agree with you.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 16 January 2018 18: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: bober1982
              The staff was rabble

              Ah, that's how you feel about ordinary people ?! It is interesting to what level in society did you classify yourself? ..
        2. populist
          populist 13 January 2018 22: 44 New
          0

          bober1982
          No, it wasn’t, you are mistaken.
          In 1905 the army and the gendarmerie were on the side of the government, and therefore managed to suppress the troubles, and by February 1917. they were completely demoralized, and so easily overthrew power. Now it will not work, not 1991.

          Up to 400 thousand workers and up to 70 thousand soldiers took to the streets of Petrograd. It was February 27, 1917. The army joined the people, and the broad popular movement in the coming days grew into a revolution.
    2. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 13 January 2018 23: 32 New
      +2
      And why did you remember about the guard? Do you want to shoot like that in Syria or the Donbass .. And here it’s just an election. It has peacefully changed and write memoirs for yourself as you lifted the country, and then the next one should be. Well, as for the savior, again, you don’t understand that Medvedev was ripping his shirt on his chest and shouting for the Motherland, you will rush to raise it, do you believe that you don’t believe that the chairman of the Kalgas with the same cry will rush? Why interesting?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 14 January 2018 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: sapporo1959
        And why did you remember about the guard?

        A strong guard is a strong state.
        Quote: sapporo1959
        Want to shoot

        Why are you talking about shooting?
        Quote: sapporo1959
        But the fact that the chairman of the kalgas with the same cry will rush no longer believe? Why interesting?

        How many talkers were in our history, and not counted.
  26. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 13 January 2018 19: 26 New
    +9
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Egoza
    Only the ideology of socialism is acceptable to Russia.

    hi
    And our socialism is so different (Totsky, Stalin, Khrushchev-Brezhnev, Hunchback).
    What kind of person are you: just socialism, developed socialism or socialism with a human face?

    The Soviet Union collapsed because the elderly members of the Central Committee of the post-Stalin era turned the doctrine of socialism into a dogma and there was no scientific development of the ideas of socialism. Therefore, your question gives this stagnant dumb marazmatov from the Communist Party. Yes, Stalin acted harshly, time demanded such a leader of the party and state. And if supporters of the country's agrarian development had won, as opposed to industrialization, then already in 1941 the USSR would cease to exist and there is no need to pour snot about the victims of the GULAG. You will not return what you have done, but you can not repeat the mistakes and go forward. U-turn to the oligarchic capitalism killed no less people than WWII claimed. Where are the cries and groans for these victims !? Repeatedly wrote here in VO about the harmfulness of the GDP rate, its commitment to the ideas of so-called liberal capitalism, ideas beneficial for a handful of robbed state, i.e. people and abducting surplus value per hill, and not directing the development of. The path of the current government is a dead end, as is the development path proposed by the Washington Regional Committee. hi
  27. VladGashek
    VladGashek 13 January 2018 19: 28 New
    +1
    I allow myself to disagree with the opinion of a respected academician about the death of the theory of scientific communism. Rather, here we see the murderous opportunism of the "scientific communists", which shows an example of the main "scientific communist" of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology at the end of the 80s of Karlov. All this horde of theorists of "scientific communism" bastrenko repainted in the libertists. Ideology is definitely needed. In the past they used to say "a society without ideology is an anthill." Now a society without ideology is a rat pup. Therefore, you need to create an ideology. It is not the dogma of “scientific communism”, but the form of the ideal construction of the future and the programming of activities to advance towards it. Now there is no such ideology. There is even a ban on her. Therefore, then, our society is the rat rat.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 13 January 2018 19: 41 New
      0
      Quote: Vladgashek
      Therefore, then, our society is the rat rat.

      You correctly voiced the idea, but I would add - and where does socialism? there, which was called socialism, there was the same rat-rat as it was under feudalism, capitalism, fascism, imperialism. People do not change. As this rat-rat was, it will be so.
  28. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 04: 11 New
    +7
    avia1991
    Quote: avia1991
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Another common mistake

    Or maybe it's just your opinion is not entirely true?

    And this is not my opinion. But I share it:
    The more active the voting for Grudinin will be, the more “right” will be the policy of Putin’s next term. The reason is simple: due to the pseudo-patriotic infantiles who believed in Grudinin to leave the “Putin majority”, it (the “Putin majority”) will seriously “grow stronger”, and Putin, like any normal politician, first of all promotes his interests (once again his own!) , not strangers

    How do you like this logic?
    Quote: avia1991
    Question: How much did the paper cost when they were purchased?

    Two rubles apiece ... and now they have risen sharply - up to 12 million laughing
    Finish ... dope already. Such securities are not acquired on income from strawberries. Therefore, not everything is so clear with Mr. Grudinin.
    Quote: avia1991
    In addition, do not forget that he is also the main shareholder of his enterprise, right?

    This is reflected in his income statement.
    Over the past 6 years - 157+ lyam. Rubles. 26+ lyam per year. All.
    Quote: avia1991
    I do not think that you, trying in every possible way to denigrate a candidate unsympathetic to you, do not realize that, against the background of the rest, he looks much more open and understandable

    Am I "blacking" someone ?? Yes, nubynafig ...
    I'm just trying to match the income data of a certain chela with his property. At the same time I use completely open and confirmed figures.
    And until the balance converges ... request
    "Against the background of the rest" - whom, excuse me? Presidential candidates? Or alligarchs, whom you do not understand why they dragged here?
    Found, panimayas, an icon ... the savior of the Fatherland ... with a mustache and the smell of strawberries laughing
  29. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 14 January 2018 08: 57 New
    +3
    Well, if a person tweets about “patriotism” based on “science and religion” (? -
    a combination of some kind) and did not see that the ROC was raised to the shield just to pave the way for universal restitution and block the path to socialism (which it cares about), then ... ours with a brush.
    (A separate discussion about the Academy.)
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  31. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2018 12: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: populist
    Vote for Grudinin.

    ------------------------
    In the framework of the bourgeois republic, all sorts of “vote-don't vote” lead to one result, the authorities are arrogant and stupid. This will not change the nature of property and public relations. Grudinin, bludinin, mudinin is all to no avail. Grudinin will simply make the victory of GDP more meaningful and vibrant.
  32. 82т11
    82т11 14 January 2018 22: 37 New
    +1
    The right article Russia needs an ideology! Moreover, the ideology that the majority of the population shares and supports!
    The only problem is that now there is an ideology of money, whoever has more of them is right, and the authorities are satisfied.
    So if someone expects that the authorities will seek an ideology, then you can relax it (the authorities), this is not necessary!
  33. Tamagon
    Tamagon 15 January 2018 18: 03 New
    0
    For those who constantly see other people's billions, I explain in detail: According to the Federal Law of 10.01.2003 No. 19-FZ (as amended on 05.12.2017/3/25) "On the Election of the President of the Russian Federation" Count "Other Securities" of the "Securities" sub-section of the "Other" subsection property "of Appendix No. 595" Information on the amount and on sources of income, property, on accounts (deposits) in banks, securities and on property obligations of a candidate for the position of the President of the Russian Federation and his spouse "is filled out according to the following rule:" Information about all securities (bonds, bills, checks, certificates and others), with the exception of shares: type of security, full name of the organization issuing the security, indicating its legal form (last name, first name, middle name, passport data for an individual ), TIN, postal address of the location (residence), NUMBER of securities and the TOTAL value in rubles for each type. " Once again - the TOTAL VALUE is indicated in rubles for each type of security. Therefore, learn the materiel and do not act as "parrots" - "I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is." The total market value indicated in the Information (published on the official website of the CEC of the Russian Federation) is 889,80 rubles.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 16 January 2018 09: 41 New
      +4
      For particularly stubborn ones, the correct answer is here:

      Tamagon. hyardon't drive stop
  34. yehat
    yehat 16 January 2018 12: 33 New
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    it is unfortunate that Glazyev does not act as curator of the Ministry of Economic Development.
    Just now, when budget revenues are growing again, he could do quite a lot there.