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Mikhail Delyagin: Liberal elite destroys Russia to please the West

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Mikhail Delyagin: Liberal elite destroys Russia to please the West



Due to the dependence of the socio-economic bloc of the state on the outgoing global speculative monopolies, the conflict with the West due to the Nazi coup in Kiev and reunification with the Crimea led to the formation of a hybrid state.

Foreign, defense and in many respects domestic policies are reoriented towards the sovereignty of Russia and, accordingly, the interests of the people. Socio-economic policy is “stuck” in the 90-s and, according to the norms of modern liberalism, serves global monopolies and their compradorism against the people.

The hybrid state is more complex than dual power, since the boundary between value systems lies not only within structures, but also within individuals. You can laugh at patriots, in the pauses between speeches about sovereignty singing dachas in Finland, you can marvel proudly under the sanctions of "offshore aristocrats" - but these contradictions reflect the reality: the border between patriotism and liberal treachery passes inside the members of the power crowd. The political process is still in the movement of this border: a minority go into liberalism, kicking themselves out of Russia, most painfully (since this contradicts not only material interests, but also 90’s social instincts) drifts towards patriotism.

But the time of inertial drift ends: liberal socio-economic policy no longer robs, but destroys Russia in the interests of global speculators.

After all, the expansion of the zone of chaos that is vital for them requires the destruction of our country.

In addition, for a business crisis - this is the time when it ceases to receive the usual income and for the sake of profit is forced to reduce costs. And, since the strongest field commander sells oil several times cheaper than the weakest state, reducing costs in relation to Russia requires the replacement of the state by flocks of field commanders.

The defeat of Clinton weakened the structures implementing these strategies, but they did not disappear anywhere, and in Russia as well.

The most monstrous lie of the liberals - borrowed from 90's "no money" at the time when the federal budget is choking on them: on December 1 its reserves amounted to 7,5 trillion rubles. From the year of 2004, when they began to save, it was possible to build a new world on them, not just to modernize the country.

But liberals have another task: supporting Western financial systems in the interests of global monopolies. Therefore, the “stash” (about 2,6 trillion rubles) is kept in rubles, and the rest in the form of the Reserve Fund and the main part of the National Welfare Fund is still transferred to the West - for the benefit of the countries that have launched a cold war of annihilation against Russia.

In the regions and municipalities, a monstrous budget crisis is organized, destroying the social and production sphere as such (for the taxman who is forced to find money for the region’s survival starts to treat entrepreneurs according to the camp principle “die today and I tomorrow”).

The situation is exacerbated by the actual ban on development, expressed as a percentage of the loan, which exceeds the profitability of most industries, and the refusal to limit financial speculation. The latter is necessary for any financial system at the level of modern Russian maturity: countries that did not make it in time did not have chances to become developed, as the money allocated for development, like in the autumn of 1992, escaped to speculative markets.

Liberals cannot restrict financial speculation, since they serve global financial speculators (and their global opponents who put Trump on global opponents are not represented in the state’s social and economic bloc under Clinton’s wing). In addition, the development of the colony is unacceptable for global monopolies, as it can create competition with them.

But they need corruption: corrupt officials are no less effective than the liberal authorities, withdrawing its assets from the country, turning them into a resource of global monopolies. Therefore, anti-corruption tantrums are accompanied by a softening of the punishment for corruption, up to the possibility of paying off for the identified bribes at the expense of the undetected.

In the end, the quintessence of liberal socio-economic policy is not even a robbery of people, but the destruction of their very lives. According to Rosstat, 19.2 million. according to the results of the third quarter, it has incomes below the subsistence minimum, that is, it dies slowly, and regressive taxation of incomes (according to the principle “the poorer a person is, the more he has to pay”) and administrative terror has been ousted to “30 million Russians.”

The fall in income and consumption is aggravated by credit bondage, collector terror and a rise in fees, including the extortionate taxation of real estate (which will increase 5 times over 4) and arbitrary (the difference in rates between Moscow and St. Petersburg - 7,5 times) overhaul collection.

The demographic damage (unborn and prematurely dead with migration) of liberal reforms for Russia is estimated to be higher than the effects of the war: 21,6 million. against 17 million (for 1946 year). And the birth rate is largely ensured by poorly integrating migrants, which destroys society.

The destruction of education by the liberals gives rise to a lack of capable people and massive inadequacy. The destruction of health care leads to an increase in mortality and a fall in the ability to work.

Despair and hopelessness, in which entire regions of Russia are immersed, are inconceivable for megalopolises.

The seeming stupidity of the Russian liberals is caused by the fundamental gap between the goals that they have to declare due to their position in the state and the real goals of the global monopolies they serve.

There is no betrayal in their behavior, just as there is no betrayal in the behavior of Stirlitz: they have a different identity, which they sometimes cannot admit to themselves. Willingly or unwittingly, their policies are leading Russia to a collapse in the Troubles, which may coincide with the breakdown of the world in a global depression.

However, the inexorable movement towards the collapse of the global market and the collapse of liberal ideology generated by it turns the liberals accustomed to their infallibility and impunity into chickens with severed heads: they still run and dirty, but can no longer peck at anyone.

Preserving the hybrid character of our state until the world collapses into a global depression means its destruction and immersion of the country in a new Troubles, in which Russia will become the field of struggle of other civilizations, and Russian civilization may die.

The only way of guaranteed survival is the return of the state to the service of the people, that is, the completion is not so much of the “Crimean” as the Russian spring.

In this respect, conservatism in the postmodern era has indeed become a progressive revolutionary force, and liberalism has long degenerated into the darkest reaction.

In practice, the seizure of the people by the state and thus its salvation from the control of global monopolies is expressed in the modernization of the infrastructure, creating a new country based on the technologies of tomorrow. This requires limiting corruption, financial speculation and arbitrariness of monopolies, conscious protectionism at least at the level of the European Union, guaranteeing a living wage, and then growing social standards, restoring health care and education, overcoming the pension crisis and the shadow economy by introducing a normal, progressive scale of income taxation.

Returning from liberal reforms to normality requires the normalization of the state — the brain and the hands of society. Such normalization is simplified as the global crisis deepens, but it leaves less and less time for the vital preparation for a breakdown in the global depression.
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  1. DanSabaka
    DanSabaka 14 January 2018 06: 56
    +6
    Well, who is to blame - it is clear .... And what about the second question: what to do? ....
    Again, one blah blah blah ....
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 14 January 2018 07: 47
      45
      If there weren’t the Delyagins, Khazins, Boldarevs, we would have known much less truth about our liberoid economy and its management methods. Or is it better to listen to Chubais and corrupt HSE professors? belay
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 14 January 2018 08: 00
        +5
        you can watch and listen to anyone ...... and no matter who, if as a result, one talking room and inaction ......
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 07
          18
          one talking room and inaction ......
          And who will act?
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 14 January 2018 08: 46
            +1
            there are enthusiasts .... but first you need to work out a task, and then select the personnel for its solution .... maybe I’ll come to something ....
            1. My address
              My address 14 January 2018 09: 38
              10
              Dan!
              I read your comments and understood that you took my caustic note "A Short Guide to the Liberal" seriously. You have a complete and unsubstantiated "blah blah bla", what you blame others for. I hope that this is just your delusions, but not a conscious position. Well, as usual, the anecdote:
              Dear burzhuiny! Very stupid, which are few, we have a lot! I will sell the All-Russian base of suckers! Your S.Mavrodi from MMM.
            2. vasya.pupkin
              vasya.pupkin 14 January 2018 13: 14
              +8
              Quote: DanSabaka
              there are enthusiasts .... but first you need to work out a task, and then select the personnel for its solution .... maybe I’ll come to something ....

              Something tells me that such sofa "enthusiasts" are unlikely to "fit" something, but only like Gapon, they push others to barricades. "Again blah blah blah ...
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 14 January 2018 15: 06
          +3
          and who gives them action? GDP?
          1. stas
            stas 16 January 2018 12: 07
            +4
            Put the two main presidential candidates side by side. King of small stature, half-bald and in heels. Grudinin is tall, confident and with a mustache like that of Stalin.
            It is better to live in a large rich and well-maintained state farm than to exist miserably on a thieves' oligarchic flea market like in Cherkizon.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 14 January 2018 13: 16
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        If there were no Delyagins, Khazins, Boldarevs, we would have known much less truth about our liberoid economy

        You do not know that this "economist" is one of the creators of this very economy?
        He is a multi-year consultant EBN, Nemtsov and Kasyanov. yes
        1. avia1991
          avia1991 16 January 2018 23: 04
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          He is a long-term consultant at EBN, Nemtsov and Kasyanov

          Glazyev is Putin’s many-year adviser. And did Putin follow his advice a lot?
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 17 January 2018 10: 48
          +2
          Then we still did not fully understand where we were going, there was euphoria from democracy and the "invisible hand of the market", then it turned out that with the "invisible hand", something was not right. If you read the latest publications, then Yavlinsky is pro-Western, his ideal is to become a policeman with his master, and Boldyryov is pro-Russian, writes the right things, from the point of view of the interests of the Russian Federation, this is the main thing.
          He is a longtime consultant at EBN, Nemtsov and Kasyanov.

          And if you look for all the sins, then it remains only to hang themselves.
      3. Petr1968
        Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 01
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        If there weren’t the Delyagins, Khazins, Boldarevs, we would have known much less truth about our liberoid economy and its management methods. Or is it better to listen to Chubais and corrupt HSE professors?

        And for me, so Russia is becoming stronger and stronger ... and judging by the sanction, no one should please the sanctions ..
        But Chubais here is generally what side, he has not been in the government for decades ... good morning !!!
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 January 2018 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Petr1968
          But Chubais here is generally what side, he has not been in the government for decades ... good morning !!!

          And to manage, it is not at all necessary to be in sight.
          Quote: Petr1968
          And for me, Russia is becoming stronger and stronger ..

          And in what exactly?
          1. Petr1968
            Petr1968 16 January 2018 10: 21
            0
            Quote: Alf
            And to manage, it is not at all necessary to be in sight.

            Oooh .. I know RENTV channel. He is probably a Mason ... and secretly rules the whole world)))
            And Russia is becoming stronger militarily and economically. Compare Russia 20 years ago and now. The numbers don’t lie ... or did Chubais change them too? And all this under Putin ... and not under Chubais !!!!! Putin long years of rule !!
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 16 January 2018 16: 04
              +6
              Quote: Petr1968
              Oooh .. I know RENTV channel. He is probably a Mason ... and secretly rules the whole world)))

              Mason, of course, like many other oligarchs. But it rules not the whole world, but only Russia.
              Quote: Petr1968
              And Russia is becoming stronger militarily and economically. Compare Russia 20 years ago and now. The numbers don’t lie ... or did Chubais change them too? And all this under Putin ... and not under Chubais !!!!!

              You will be surprised, but 20 years ago, and especially 30, the Russian Armed Forces were much stronger, despite the beggarly support.
              Quote: Petr1968
              Putin long years of rule !!
              until the oligarchy’s final victory over Russia!
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 14 January 2018 08: 15
      24
      Quote: DanSabaka
      Well, who is to blame - it is clear .... And what about the second question: what to do? ....
      Again, one blah blah blah ....

      It is obvious! The simplest thing that can be done now is to vote for the popular candidate Grudinin. Otherwise, the liberal Kodla will remain, which in words mimics the patriots.
      A very good article. Complex things, hybrid processes (like patriots, but it seems the other way around) are shown on fingers. The causes of such a dual situation are revealed. It is the pressure of the West that forces the authorities to pursue a patriotic policy and pay attention to the people. If there wasn’t this pressure, our elite wouldn’t even have to pretend to be.
      1. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 14 January 2018 08: 45
        19
        and how is the millionaire Grudinin, who skipped from party to party, different from others?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 January 2018 09: 31
          27
          Should a communist be a beggar? By casting your vote for Grudinin, you are giving the country a chance to get on a new footing. And in vain you equate the Communists with the varieties of EdRa. The Communists in modern Russia did not have any power, and therefore, in principle, they can’t show anything for now.
          By voting for Grudinin you vote primarily for the idea of ​​the left wing and against the liberals in power. Or do you want to leave everything as it is?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 14 January 2018 09: 51
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            By voting for Grudinin you are voting primarily for the idea

            That idea may be a good one, but here is the execution, according to the scientific one - calla. Let me remind you - the Communist Party, it is from this parit that Grudilin comes forward, is the heiress of the CPSU who arranged for us a funny 90s. Is there anyone who missed them? Personally, I don’t have any desire again to fight with mice for a crust of bread ...
            "... LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky calculated the amount of foreign assets of businessman Pavel Grudinin, who is a candidate for president of Russia from the Communist Party. According to the leader of the liberal democrats, on the accounts of the communist in an Austrian bank lies about 5 billion.... "
            https://iz.ru/694796/2018-01-12/zhirinovskii-nazv
            al-summu-zarubezhnykh-aktivov-grudinina
            1. True
              True 14 January 2018 10: 13
              33
              Quote: Boris55
              Let me remind you - the Communist Party, it is from this parit that Grudilin comes forward, is the heiress of the CPSU who arranged for us a funny 90s. Is there anyone who missed them?

              Let me remind you: the current president brought Yeltsin by the handle. Is there anyone who misses him?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 14 January 2018 10: 19
                +6
                Quote: True
                Let me remind you: the current president brought Yeltsin by the handle.

                Let me remind you of the cries of Yeltsin’s daughter: “Ah, we didn’t put one!”
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 14 January 2018 13: 18
                  +1
                  Still in addition for clarity. And where is he and where is Putin?
            2. Alf
              Alf 14 January 2018 10: 29
              21
              Quote: Boris55
              "... LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky calculated the amount of foreign assets of businessman Pavel Grudinin, who is a candidate for president of Russia from the Communist Party. According to the leader of the liberal democrats, about 5 billion rubles are in the communist’s bank accounts ...."

              Did he bring evidence? Or, in the spirit of the Zhirik himself, he yelled from the rostrum, called all thieves, etc. By the way, has anyone checked the grease itself?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 14 January 2018 10: 35
                +1
                Quote: Alf
                By the way, has anyone checked the grease itself?

                Is there any suspicion? laughing
                1. Alf
                  Alf 14 January 2018 10: 53
                  19
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: Alf
                  By the way, has anyone checked the grease itself?

                  Is there any suspicion? laughing

                  Now, if ALL of our supreme riffraff, including Vova and Dima, is checked for TAM accounts, is it interesting that there is at least one dysfunctional?
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 14 January 2018 14: 58
                    +5
                    TAM accounts are constantly checked. And if there was something, the howl would be incredible.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 14 January 2018 21: 20
                      +7
                      Quote: Victor N
                      TAM accounts are constantly checked. And if there was something, the howl would be incredible.

                      No. If they find something there, then without a fuss they take the owner for Faberge, and he is obedient as a fish in an aquarium. And no one needs noise, as some say, Big money likes silence.
                  2. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 14 January 2018 20: 07
                    15
                    The oligarch of the Russian Federation sensed a real threat in Grudinin, so all his information resources were thrown not only to search, but also to create "black spots" of Grudinin. But if you start digging under the individuals of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and their slaves, then there’s so much to come out of, mother don’t cry!
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 14 January 2018 21: 21
                      +7
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      The oligarch of the Russian Federation sensed a real threat in Grudinin, so all his information resources were thrown not only to search, but also to create "black spots" of Grudinin.

                      Already Putin wagged about the Mausoleum ...
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 15 January 2018 20: 58
                        +5
                        Quote: Alf
                        Already Putin wagged about the Mausoleum ...

                        On a fig to bury him there? only in asphalt laughing
                    2. Petr1968
                      Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 03
                      0
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      The oligarch of the Russian Federation sensed a real threat in Grudinin, so all his information resources were thrown not only to search, but also to create "black spots" of Grudinin. But if you start digging under the individuals of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and their slaves, then there’s so much to come out of, mother don’t cry!

                      Maybe this is a secret for you and everything is foggy ... But PUTIN VV will win.
                      Who is there to argue ?? And there is no difference who else is indulging.
                      1. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 15 January 2018 17: 14
                        +5
                        That is, you claim that the legal methods of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation over the fragment of Russia can not be destroyed and only the armed path remains?
              2. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 14 January 2018 21: 00
                +6
                Quote: Alf
                Did he bring evidence? Or, in the spirit of the Zhirik himself, he yelled from the rostrum, called all thieves, etc. By the way, has anyone checked the grease itself?

                Who will check it? He is a monument! smile By the way, according to the latest social. polls for the upcoming elections, 7% are ready to vote for Grudinin, and 4% for Zhirik. So the cries will only intensify.
            3. Tamagon
              Tamagon 14 January 2018 10: 32
              +1
              So I don’t understand why to spread an obvious deliberate lie, they said - The reference says: 200 securities. face value 13.9 million, all and not each !!!!
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 10: 50
                +8
                Quote: Tamagon
                The reference says: 200 securities. face value 13.9 million, all and not each !!!!

                And someone here can’t read ... And count, campaign, too ...

                What we see:
                200 pcs. 12 707 981.80 each
                200 pcs. 12 477 838.20 each
                200 pcs. 400 069.80 each.
                All together - in the amount of about 7 billion rubles ... Karl !!
                The candidate also notified that he has 600 securities in the credit institution Liechtensteinische Landesbank, their total value is 7,5 billion rubles.

                Link to an article from the CEC of the Russian Federation:

                Quote: Tamagon
                He is not even a millionaire in dollars, 37 million rubles. found an oligarch !!!

                Schazz laughing
                1. Tamagon
                  Tamagon 14 January 2018 11: 48
                  +9
                  MOSCOW, January 13. / TASS /. The head of the press service of the Communist Party, State Duma deputy Alexander Yushchenko claims that the Communist candidate in the presidential election, Pavel Grudinin, did not have securities worth 7,5 billion rubles, their total value was 37 million rubles.
                  According to him, a number of media "incorrectly interpreted the information provided by Grudinin to the CEC."
                  "There are no 7,5 billion [rubles]. On three accounts he had about 35 million rubles, and they were turned into securities. Some media yesterday incorrectly calculated and replicated that each paper was worth 37 million, and multiplied them by the amount securities, from this came the figure of 7,5 billion, "- said the communist.
                  “He has 37 million rubles invested in foreign banks from January to December 2017 for the treatment of relatives. [Funds] were transferred to securities, and they all equal 37 million, not each,” Yushchenko said. However, he again confirmed that Grudinin opened foreign accounts in January 2017, that is, after the 2016 State Duma elections.
                  As previously reported with reference to the refinement of information on income, property and securities received by the Central Election Commission, before registering as a candidate, Grudinin closed accounts with a foreign bank in the amount of about 14,4 million rubles and got rid of securities.
                  http://tass.ru/politika/4871836
                2. Tamagon
                  Tamagon 15 January 2018 17: 51
                  +1
                  We also read: For those who constantly see other people's billions, I explain in detail: According to the Federal Law of 10.01.2003 No. 19-FZ (as amended on 05.12.2017/3/25) "On the Election of the President of the Russian Federation" Count "Other Securities" of the "Securities" sub-section subsection “Other property” of Appendix No. 595 “Information on the amount and on sources of income, property, on accounts (deposits) in banks, securities and on property obligations of the candidate for the position of the President of the Russian Federation and his spouse” is filled out according to the following rule: " Information on all securities (bonds, bills, bills, checks, certificates and others) is indicated, with the exception of shares: type of security, full name of the organization that issued the security, indicating its legal form (last name, first name, middle name, passport data for an individual), TIN, postal address of the location (residence), NUMBER of securities and the TOTAL value in rubles for each type. " Once again - the TOTAL VALUE is indicated in rubles for each type of security. Therefore, learn the materiel and do not act as "parrots" - "I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is." The total market value indicated in the Information (published on the official website of the CEC of the Russian Federation) is 889,80 rubles.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 16 January 2018 09: 48
                    +5
                    Quote: Tamagon
                    For those who constantly see other people's billions, I explain in detail

                    Explain in order that it would be nice to get acquainted with the "primary" ... well, if you please:


                    Quote: Tamagon
                    ... Federal Law of January 10.01.2003, 19 No. 05.12.2017-FZ (as amended on December 3, XNUMX) "On the Election of the President of the Russian Federation" Column "Other Securities" of the sub-section "Securities" of the subsection "Other Property" of Appendix No. XNUMX ...

                    Blah blah blah...
                    What does the paper from candidate G. have to do with Appendix 3?
                    That's right ... it has none.
                    Read, stick ... Tama gon

                    Quote: Tamagon
                    The total market value indicated in the Information (published on the official website of the CEC of the Russian Federation) is 25 rubles.

                    Reference, Be so kind yes
                3. stas
                  stas 15 January 2018 23: 48
                  +1
                  Jack is elusive, and if soon the TV channels apologize to Grudinin for disseminating false information, you will eat your pieces of paper or go to the toilet with them. Woe to the mathematician. Actually, defamation of a particular person is prosecuted by law ..
                  And you consider a mathematician. Count it. Russia needs citizens, not pseudo-patriots, heroes.
            4. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 14 January 2018 10: 50
              +5
              About how agitators and propagandists work for Grudinin ..
              I went to the site of Boldyrev's supporters. What is going on there. Well. How to resist - blurted out the words SEVEN ..
              And then they bothered their attention ..
              "Like-minded Yuri Boldyrev

              Access is blocked - you are no longer welcome here ...
              You were denied access to the group of like-minded Yuri Boldyrev .. "
              Thanks for the clarification! I am not a supporter of hidden capitalists and cheaters from politics
              (In the fall of 1993, he became one of the founders of the Yavlinsky-Boldyrev-Lukin electoral association (then the Yabloko party), but on September 1, 1995, left this association due to conflicts ..)
              There is nothing to comment on.
              Complete freedom of speech. Opinions .. and 500 days after they came to power ... complete socialism ... and. As always .... a huge ..zh .. pit laughing
              1. stas
                stas 15 January 2018 23: 53
                +2
                Well, you are lying, liberals would envy to lie and not blush. You are a heroic manipulator. name the site from where you were sent. If you wrote the same, then you did the right thing to make the air cleaner and not to waste time on such ones. You're from the party of crooks and thieves.
            5. Stas157
              Stas157 14 January 2018 10: 52
              25
              Quote: Boris55
              According to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, on the accounts of the communist in an Austrian bank lies about 5 billion rubles .... "

              So let them put a crime in it! Obviously, Grudinin earned this money as a businessman. It is difficult to blame him for being fed by the authorities, like current officials and oligarchs!
              You know, my paternal ancestors were very wealthy. Mill, herd of horses, vodka shop. Soviet power came to the village, my great-grandfather voluntarily gave up all the riches of the people's power, and became a communist. And, my grandfather, a communist, fought in the Second World War, and after that was the boss. And no one was offended, not repressed. Why is this hour, strong master. and a successful businessman, not dirty with ties to thieves' power, to show that he earns well? But how else! Do you have to stand on the porch?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 14 January 2018 11: 03
                +2
                Quote: Stas157
                Ah my grandfather, a communist

                Those communists were members of a party called the CPSU (B.). Do not forget this and do not confuse it with those who ruined the country whose Communist Party is the heir to. I repeat once again, the Communist Party-the heir to the late CPSU. The Communist Party has nothing to do with the CPSU (b).
                The answer to the question "What to do?" You will find in the trilogy about Maxim.
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 14 January 2018 20: 33
                  +9
                  Your favorite GDP in the Communist Party since 1975. So, following your logic, he actively participated in the collapse of the USSR and gave us a funny 90.
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 15 January 2018 06: 50
                    +4
                    And we all participated: who was falling apart, who was not defending.
                2. stas
                  stas 15 January 2018 23: 57
                  +2
                  Boris is the same as you Boris Yeltsin and ruined. Then he handed over his business to Putin, who acts in the same way only in the economy. Results will come out years through 5. The main thing is not to be late
            6. Monster_Fat
              Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 10: 53
              17
              LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky calculated the amount of foreign assets of businessman Pavel Grudinin, who is a candidate for president of Russia from the Communist Party. According to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, on the accounts of the communist in an Austrian bank lies about 5 billion rubles .... "


              And what is “bad" in that a person makes himself "nest egg" for a "rainy day"? Everyone should look forward and understand that old age will come when there will be no more money to earn and you just need to maintain a normal existence, and besides, you should not forget about the sores that simply fall on a person in old age and which must be treated so as not to die ahead of time and not be a burden to others. By the way, Grudinin has two packages of bonds of approximately equal value - a little more than 12,5-11-5 million rubles. If you translate this into currency, you get about 350-360 thousand euros, it's just a miserable, usual "nest egg" for the "rainy day" of an average businessman. Moreover, the smallest, usually "spend" from 500000 euros or dollars on "pocket and unplanned expenses." Also found me a "millionaire", isn’t it funny? Or for you, the “ideal” people's choice should be someone working at a factory for 15000 rubles a month, living in a communal non-privatized apartment, loaned 25 years in advance, etc.? Or is it even better - a dump from a garbage can - than not an "ideal" candidate? Yes, for sure, choose your homeless president, it will just be someone to follow, with whom to take an example, since smart and successful do not "fit" .... laughing
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 02
                +5
                Quote: Monster_Fat
                By the way, Grudinin has two packages of bonds of approximately equal value - a little more than 12,5-11-5 million rubles. If you translate this into currency, you get about 350-360 thousand euros, it's just a miserable, usual "nest egg" for the "rainy day" of an average businessman. And the smallest

                It seems to you ...
                I gave the link to the WG a little higher.
                So 7.5 lard (rubles) ... Karl laughing
                Read, educate yourself yes
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                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 20
                    +5
                    Quote: Monster_Fat
                    and how did you calculate 7,5 billion rubles

                    And I did not count it. Follow the link, do not be lazy wink
                    Quote: CEC: Grudinin closed accounts with foreign banks at the time of registration
                    The candidate also notified that he was storing 600 securities in the credit institution Liechtensteinische Landesbank, their total value is 7,5 billion rubles


                    Quote: Monster_Fat
                    for some reason, it’s impossible for me for more than about 25,5 million ..

                    Someone here doesn’t know how to count ... I already saw three of these in the morning - it's you, Stas157 and another, unfamiliar to me ...
                    However, the trend (C) laughing
                    1. Tamagon
                      Tamagon 14 January 2018 12: 10
                      +1
                      Here's another link for you: https://youtu.be/eb6-FfbwaEo
                2. Monster_Fat
                  Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 11: 29
                  +7
                  Ah ... well, if this is the cost of one paper ... then yes, 7,5 billion is obtained, it seemed strange to me- "euro" bonds have the usual face value of 200 thousand euros. By the way, Russian ones have a face value of 250 thousand dollars .. But anyway, why a person who has money (like he himself indicated it) cannot be a candidate?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 33
                    +7
                    Quote: Monster_Fat
                    But all the same, why a person who has money (like he himself indicated it) cannot be a candidate?

                    Why - can not?
                    He already "has a candidate."
                    But it’s not clear - where did the firewood come from? recourse
                    In the same article:
                    December 28 Grudinin filed information about his income in six years and the income of his wife. So, his income amounted to 157 413 983,26 rub. - This is the salary at ZAO Lenin State Farm, premium for participation in the tender, material assistance, interest (income from deposits)

                    Divide 157 million by 6 (years) - we get about 26 million per year.
                    We divide 7.5 billion by 26 million, we get that this is Grudinin’s earnings for 260+ years belay
                    Don't live so much laughing
                    1. Monster_Fat
                      Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 11: 46
                      +4
                      And, really, where did the "firewood" come from ... Um .... then it turns out all these "successes" of this gentleman are very reminiscent of the "sink" Melnichenko .... wink
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 49
                        +5
                        Quote: Monster_Fat
                        Ah, really, from where are the "firewood"

                        Still funnier ...
                        Here, someone Yushchenko claims that "the WG was mistaken," and there was only 37 million of some money.
                        A circus with horses ... RG is the official mouthpiece, dragging it ... if it was wrong, it must give a refutation.
                        We take places, stock up on seeds ... dull, the campaign will not be fellow
                3. stas
                  stas 16 January 2018 00: 00
                  0
                  Jack, as always, is engaged in a confident artistic whistle. Where he heard and immediately believed, and began to spread. Let’s see on March 18 how your faces stretch out, in surprise at how the Russian and indigenous peoples of Russia voted (except for Chechnya).
            7. Tamagon
              Tamagon 14 January 2018 11: 40
              +5
              MOSCOW, January 13. / TASS /. The head of the press service of the Communist Party, State Duma deputy Alexander Yushchenko claims that the Communist candidate in the presidential election, Pavel Grudinin, did not have securities worth 7,5 billion rubles, their total value was 37 million rubles.

              According to him, a number of media "incorrectly interpreted the information provided by Grudinin to the CEC."

              "There are no 7,5 billion [rubles]. On three accounts he had about 35 million rubles, and they were turned into securities. Some media yesterday incorrectly calculated and replicated that each paper was worth 37 million, and multiplied them by the amount securities, from this came the figure of 7,5 billion, "- said the communist.

              “He has 37 million rubles invested in foreign banks from January to December 2017 for the treatment of relatives. [Funds] were transferred to securities, and they all equal 37 million, not each,” Yushchenko said. However, he again confirmed that Grudinin opened foreign accounts in January 2017, that is, after the 2016 State Duma elections.

              As previously reported with reference to the refinement of information on income, property and securities received by the Central Election Commission, before registering as a candidate, Grudinin closed accounts with a foreign bank in the amount of about 14,4 million rubles and got rid of securities.

              http://tass.ru/politika/4871836
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 46
                +4
                Quote: Tamagon
                According to him...

                This is a key phrase.
                Rossiyskaya Gazeta - edition of the Government of the Russian Federation, official publisher of documents

                If the WG “made a mistake”, it is obliged to give a refutation.
                Waiting for wink
            8. faiver
              faiver 14 January 2018 13: 04
              +6
              Well, the funny 90s were arranged for us by a Gaidar with Yeltsin and not the Communist Party ...
            9. Svist
              Svist 16 January 2018 22: 46
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky calculated the amount of foreign assets of businessman Pavel Grudinin

              Yeah ... Clown. There is also an entertaining video about him:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npt_bwKGJM0
              The most honest person Vladimir Volfovich! Does anyone take it seriously? As a presidential candidate. laughing
            10. avia1991
              avia1991 16 January 2018 23: 13
              +2
              Quote: Boris55
              Let me remind you - the Communist Party, it is from this parit that Grudilin comes forward, is the heir to the Communist Party

              Boris is omnipresent .. how much do opponents of the current government pay for slopping the sloppies? .. By the way, you are not too successful in your work: thanks to your “efforts”, Grudinin’s popularity is only growing.
              By the way ..
              Quote: Boris55
              The CPSU arranged us a funny 90s

              Did the CPSU arrange this? Those 7,5 million ordinary communists who honestly worked for the good of the country — did they do it?! .. Are you a “child of the 90s” who does not know the real course of events? It doesn't seem to be.
          2. would
            would 14 January 2018 12: 32
            +2
            And in vain you equate the Communists with the varieties of EdRa.


            It’s not us, but they equate themselves in reading bills. All parties vote as one even for the most state laws.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 16 January 2018 23: 14
              +1
              Quote: rait
              All parties vote as one even for the most state laws.

              This is where you dug such a statement? ..
              1. would
                would 17 January 2018 16: 42
                +1
                And this is not a statement, this is statistics on voting for bills. Somehow look at it somehow at your leisure.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 17 January 2018 23: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: rait
                  statistics of voting for bills.

                  What - did they revise all several thousand votes? ..
                  I prefer not to watch statistics, but broadcasts. And I bet that your statement .. as if it is softer .. NOT EXACTLY TRUE, HERE! lol
                  1. would
                    would 18 January 2018 09: 53
                    0
                    No, only the most resonant and state Durov bills, like the ones that were supposed to most sharply split the various parties.

                    As an example, the pro-Western package Spring.

                    http://vote.duma.gov.ru/vote/95898

                    Do you know how many voted against such a resonant bill? 1 deputy from the Communist Party, one present (!!!). 91 deputies were not even there. LDPR 1 for out of 56, also one who came, fair Russia 4 for and also only they were present. Where is the political struggle? In the dining room where everyone else was sitting? lol
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        3. Tamagon
          Tamagon 14 January 2018 10: 27
          12
          He is not even a millionaire in dollars, 37 million rubles. found an oligarch !!!
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 14 January 2018 11: 05
            21
            Quote: Tamagon
            He is not even a millionaire in dollars, 37 million rubles. found an oligarch !!!

            If for state official Ulyukaev $ 2 million was dust. That private trader, businessman Grudinin 0,5 million dollars infinite wealth? We have government officials a month! officially earn more! Bonuses and salaries. Count at Sechin, Gref, Miller, Kostin ... and even at the head of the Russian Post, where poor postmen work for free.
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            2. Tamagon
              Tamagon 14 January 2018 11: 43
              +4
              I agree with you, I wrote for those who spread lies about the billionaire's oligarch!
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 14 January 2018 11: 19
            +3
            There were already chairmen at the top! Already the Communist Party ceded votes! Already there were promises of new milk rivers and jelly banks after the exposure of the previous government !!!!!!! Further disclosures and groans did not go!
            Grudinin ----- the same self-PR company as before: Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin.
            Remember how Clintonha fought against Putin’s election!
            Liberals in the power of the Russian Federation ----- it’s like a tumor that should not be torn out, but gradually, gradually, gradually ...
            1. Svist
              Svist 16 January 2018 22: 51
              0
              Quote: Reptiloid
              it’s like a tumor that should not be torn out, but gradually, gradually, gradually

              We won’t live so much ... smile
          3. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 23
            +6
            Quote: Tamagon
            He is not even a millionaire in dollars ...

            Quote: Stas157
            We have government officials a month! officially earn more

            How touching crying
            1. zoolu350
              zoolu350 14 January 2018 20: 10
              +6
              Clouds are gathering over your masters Golovan Jack. Maybe you cease to be a highly paid labor force of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation and join the people?
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 20: 17
                +4
                Quote: zoolu350
                Clouds are gathering over your masters Golovan Jack

                Oh, damn it ... they released from the bathhouse, or what?
                Chet early, KVM ...
                Yes it... zoolu250, now deceased, not your relative, for an hour? wink
                1. zoolu350
                  zoolu350 14 January 2018 20: 28
                  +4
                  He is my ally in the fight against people like you.
                  1. dSK
                    dSK 15 January 2018 01: 36
                    +1
                    Grudinin's eyes are very cunning, he is a very successful businessman, the second Poroshenko. He will fall for power, Poroshenko will surpass - in Russia the treasury is much thicker.
                    1. zoolu350
                      zoolu350 15 January 2018 03: 54
                      +6
                      I’m not even sure that Grudinin is not a Trump-style Russian oligarchy project, but I’ll still vote for him, because this is probably the last attempt to Peacefully remove the Russian oligarchy from power, and Russia from the abyss. After all, then only the CIVIL WAR will change the situation. Grudinin is an attempt to stabilize the situation, before neo-Stalinism - a powerful leap forward in all directions and the restoration of Russia and consolidation of its leading position in the world.
                      1. Victor N
                        Victor N 15 January 2018 06: 55
                        +1
                        Created your idol! I really wanted to.
                        And because of nothing - just a talent!
                    2. Petr1968
                      Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 05
                      0
                      Quote: dsk
                      Grudinin's eyes are very cunning, he is a very successful businessman, the second Poroshenko. He will fall for power, Poroshenko will surpass - in Russia the treasury is much thicker.

                      Putin has good eyes, I'm for Putin !!!!
                    3. Alf
                      Alf 15 January 2018 19: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: dsk
                      Drove to power, Poroshenko will surpass - in Russia the treasury is much thicker.

                      Why do you think so ?
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 17 January 2018 23: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Alf
                        Why do you think so ?

                        Yes, with nothing - you just need to ... to spoil everyone who decided to compete with its GDP. If there is nothing really to say, it means they will invent, Think up, etc. - they are the masters in this!
        4. BecmepH
          BecmepH 15 January 2018 07: 27
          +1
          Quote: DanSabaka
          and how is the millionaire Grudinin, who skipped from party to party, different from others?

          I will correct it. Billionaire. Moreover, hiding his wealth.
        5. nickname7
          nickname7 17 January 2018 10: 54
          +4
          Indulge in black PR?
          Grudinin differs from others in his political program.
          In any case, it is better for power teams to alternate, try different methods, otherwise inflation targeting and investment have become boring for 20 years.
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 14 January 2018 07: 08
    10
    This requires limiting corruption, financial speculation and the arbitrariness of monopolies, conscious protectionism at least at the level of the European Union, guaranteeing a living wage and then rising social standards, restoring health care and education, overcoming the pension crisis and the shadow economy by introducing a normal, progressive scale of income taxation.

    The main question is who will do this, who will be able to bring it to life ??? what
    GDP? ... don’t tell my slippers ... maybe EDROS ... utopia.
    Can Grudinin rest curly-haired in GERMANY? smile I'm not talking about the DOG here, ready to put the chicken breast in one place on the church porch.
    I have a feeling that the country is politically floundering in the swamp swamp and does not know which way to get out.
    There is no support under your feet ... there’s nothing to grab at ... where to get out what
    There are no long-term and clear goals of the state for ordinary citizens ... fog ... blue fog ... looks like a hoax.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 14 January 2018 07: 16
      +3
      . fog ... blue fog ... looks like a hoax.

      hi ! Here is how! What is so pessimistic, although there are prerequisites for this: New-Old Year, Christmas, etc. All this is understandable.
      I believe that managing such a state with such squares is not the same as in Brussels, Monaco, where the state is defined by two, three streets. Let's work together to improve our livelihoods. drinks
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 14 January 2018 07: 21
        14
        Let's work together to improve our livelihoods. drinks

        smile Let's ... try to do it to the best of my ability.

        And as they say, I'm a pessimist leaning on a Kalashnikov assault rifle ...
        seriously ... it infuriates me that everything that we ordinary citizens do for our country in an instant is destroyed by some kind of swindler-rogue who is in the service of the state and has money ... power ... influence, etc., nullifying all achievements people ... what's the point then to maintain such power what
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 14 January 2018 07: 24
          +4
          I perfectly understand your condition. I also do not like many points, but, I apologize for the banal post, water does not flow under a lying stone. We won’t die alive! yes
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 20
            13
            under a lying stone
            are you calling for revolution? Or let the people work, but Shuvalov carries dogs for haircuts on airplanes?
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 14 January 2018 12: 46
              +2
              under a lying stone
              are you calling for revolution? Or let the people work, but Shuvalov carries dogs for haircuts on airplanes?

              And where do you see calls for "revolution"? And about the “Shuvalov" I can give you thousands of examples. And what of that ?!
        2. bald
          bald 14 January 2018 07: 41
          +1
          Happy Aleksey. Normally said, to the point, the same garbage - infuriates. But if we start a mess - it’s .... The time is hard - because the war is on.
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 14 January 2018 09: 39
          +4
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          . what's the point then to maintain such power

          hi
          Mmmd. Sorted out yesterday. Now, in essence: you think that the current government does not need to be supported - do not support it and go to the camp of Chubais, Sobchakov, Gozman, Navalny, Ryzhkov, etc. The current government has a lot of enemies open and hidden, external and internal, and the transition to their camp the future will not change another person. But the support of power in word and deed even of one person can change a lot. This is my personal opinion and I am on the side of the current government (although it has committed many punctures). soldier
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 14 January 2018 09: 57
            16
            don’t support and go to the camp of Chubais, Sobchakov, Gozman, Navalny, Ryzhkov, etc.

            belay Can't you offer anything better?
            The current government is the link between the state and the oligarchs ... how can I support this ... I am not a supporter of revolutions and riots ... but also not a supporter of sadomasochism where everything is determined by the interests of large financial capital and state monopolies such as GAZPROM and Russian Railways and not the interests of ordinary citizens .
            Do you really not understand after the speech SOBYANIN that the power in the person of such people will break the hinterland that is already breathing in the air.
            1. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 14 January 2018 10: 40
              +2
              You correctly say. That in Russia CAPITALISM!
              How do you propose replacing it with socialism? What Makar. ?
              Perestroika and new thinking? Or Through the revolution and All power to the Soviets. It was already in the history of Russia.
              Yes, and the new "Russian" capitalists will give power and private property to the new ????
              The West woke up their sleeping in the Russian Federation and even those who were in suspended animation ..
              For work, "comrades." CLIMB ! The goal is not Putin and his oligarchs -The goal of the collapse of Russia.
              Let's help the west ..
          2. populist
            populist 14 January 2018 10: 09
            13
            Lelek
            This is my personal opinion and I am on the side of the current government (although it has committed many punctures). soldier

            The authorities did not commit many punctures, but strategic failures, and only the resistance of the people stopped the authorities from even greater frenzy.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 14 January 2018 13: 51
              +2
              Quote: populist
              The authorities did not commit many punctures, but strategic failures, and only the resistance of the people stopped the authorities from even greater frenzy.

              hi
              Correctly. So it should be where public managers choose the people. But this very “power” consists of people with their strengths and weaknesses. This is where the voter must weigh the pros and cons before checking the box. But, if I already set it, then don’t blame the ubiquitous Vasya that your aspirations were covered with a basin. yes
          3. faiver
            faiver 14 January 2018 13: 12
            12
            punctures? about a third of the state budget is stolen by those in power with the help of relatives or other third parties through front companies, without the help of those in power it is impossible to do this, all the breeders of the wife, children and nephews of the business genius, fie ...
          4. zoolu350
            zoolu350 14 January 2018 20: 14
            +2
            Quote: Lelek
            Mmmd. Sorted out yesterday. Now in essence: you think that the current government does not need to be supported - do not support it and go to the camp of Chubais, Sobchakov,

            So you just called the brightest representatives of the government of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. So you support them?
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 15 January 2018 10: 00
              0
              Quote: zoolu350
              So you just called the brightest representatives of the government of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. So you support them?


              Be careful. Reread the end of the post, there I expressed my preferences. I don’t know what the “power” of the oligarchy is in Russia, but I can assume that it’s probably bags of money in the storehouse, for which our people buy a bunch of unnecessary things in order to make money in front of their “colleagues” in the shop. yes
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 15 January 2018 12: 07
                +3
                Quote: Lelek
                I don’t know what the “power” of the oligarchy is in Russia, but I can assume that it’s probably bags of money in the storehouse, for which our people buy a bunch of unnecessary things in order to make money in front of their “colleagues” in the shop. yes

                Take a look around. You live under the rule of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation, and if you now begin the tale that: “The Tsar is good, the boyars are bad”, then you are just another adherent of the KhPP.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 18
        18
        manage such a state, with such areas is not the same thing
        strange and all past rulers ruled and did not complain, and it’s hard to row.
        Let's work together to improve our livelihoods.
        Something in the late 80s and early 90s told us other words. And how the country was plundered, so now let's improve. I do not allow them to withdraw money from America?
    2. Alber
      Alber 14 January 2018 07: 42
      +3
      Quote: The same Lech
      This requires limiting corruption, financial speculation and the arbitrariness of monopolies, conscious protectionism at least at the level of the European Union, guaranteeing a living wage and then rising social standards, restoring health care and education, overcoming the pension crisis and the shadow economy by introducing a normal, progressive scale of income taxation.

      The main question is who will do this, who will be able to bring it to life ??? what
      GDP? ... don’t tell my slippers ... maybe EDROS ... utopia.
      Can Grudinin rest curly-haired in GERMANY? smile I'm not talking about the DOG here, ready to put the chicken breast in one place on the church porch.
      I have a feeling that the country is politically floundering in the swamp swamp and does not know which way to get out.
      There is no support under your feet ... there’s nothing to grab at ... where to get out what
      There are no long-term and clear goals of the state for ordinary citizens ... fog ... blue fog ... looks like a hoax.

      Otto ... solid bullshit and noodles from everywhere! no one to be honest
      1. populist
        populist 14 January 2018 09: 52
        +9
        Same lech
        There is no support under your feet ... there’s nothing to grab at ... where to get out
        There are no long-term and clear goals of the state for ordinary citizens ... fog ... blue fog ... looks like a hoax.

        Alber
        Otto ... solid bullshit and noodles from everywhere! no one to be honest

        Why is there no one to believe?
        Here is an excellent article by Mikhail Delyagin. Everything in this article is correct. Yesterday there was a good article by Sergey Glazyev, and the article “How Russia Funds Its Enemies”. In the comments on Glazyev’s article, a respected line cutter posted Pavel Grudinin’s “20 steps ...” Everything is quite understandable. Then it will not be necessary to believe, but it will be enough to know the situation, the acting forces, their goals and interests.
        1. faiver
          faiver 14 January 2018 13: 13
          +2
          I don’t believe that this collective farmer-speculator ...
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 14 January 2018 20: 26
          +7
          Quote: populist
          In the comments to Glazyev’s article, a respected line cutter posted the program of Pavel Grudinin “20 steps ...”. Everything is quite understandable. Then it will not be necessary to believe, but it will be enough to know the situation, the acting forces, their goals and interests.

          Researchers of Zaputin are reluctant, too many letters. It’s easier, lying on the couch, watching TV, from where they hang noodles on the ears.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 20: 30
            +6
            Quote: Svetlana
            Reluctant to Zaputinians, too many letters

            To consider the enemy as insane - to lose half, have not heard?
            a respected line cutter posted the program of Pavel Grudinin "20 steps ..."

            What is it ... here was such a program - 500 days from Yavlinsky and the company ... Do not you remember, I suppose? But I remember yes
            I can say - she was much cooler than this wink
            But, thank God, it did not grow together then. Gd will give, and now, too, will not grow together ...
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 15 January 2018 11: 15
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              To consider the enemy as insane - to lose half, have not heard?

              Do you personally consider me an adversary or Russia in general? For me, you are not an adversary, but a person adhering to bourgeois ideology, approving the actions of a comprador oligarchic power. Perhaps you will become my opponent when a civil war starts in the country and you have to take up arms, unless, of course, you are scared or change your views by that time or simply do not want to die in the struggle for other people's capital.
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              there was such a program - 500 days from Yavlinsky and the company ... Do not you remember, I suppose? But I remember

              What is there to remember? She is freely available. And to compare the liberal Yavlinsky program for the collapse of the USSR in 500 days with the program from the patriotic movement of Russia to restore the economy in 20 steps is simply inappropriate.
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 15
      24
      Can Grudinin rest curly-haired in GERMANY?
      Do you want a stoker, Uncle Pasha, who mistook the door for a hangover, went to the Kremlin and said: “I’m in charge here” You put up with Putin and Shuvalov, Medvedev with Dvorkovich, and Grudinin, who unlike Putin has no real plan to see .
      And then what to expect from the rulers in the country if the administrators and moderators themselves do not comply with the rules here already on the site. Answer why the troll was slaughtered on December 31 was a colonel in the hierarchy of the site, and already on January 4, Colonel General?
    4. Vvol
      Vvol 14 January 2018 09: 00
      +9
      The main question is who will do this, who will be able to bring it to life ??? what

      Who, who ... Well, you yourself answered this question - it remains only to formulate the outcome of our current “swamp”. Through the Time of Troubles, through the new Holocaust, it will only be possible to transfer the country to a more normal path. The current government, if not hoping for the best, and no matter how much she herself understood that the country has been in a fever for years, has repeatedly demonstrated that she will not dare to make radical decisions, as well as to voluntarily provide her place to others! Simply, it will drag the time to the last, bringing the country to disaster. Well, the regime will be toughened even further, under the slogans of maintaining internal stability, well, some more people will be thrown in jail for “extremist” reposts in social networks, having really broken the fate of many people - it’s only useless if you “manage” the economy personalities or their "successors" (and, consequently, the social sphere will continue to shrink on a starvation diet) ?! This will only prolong the agony - no more. And then they’ll simply throw off their current authorities to remove unnecessary eaters from the feeder. Well, several representatives of the so-called "unsystematic opposition", and behind all this the oligarchs will dance, or even some of them will occupy the bosses - here’s the coup d'etat. Just the point, if as a socio-economic "program" the "progressive democratic forces" will still have the same liberalism of the Gaidar and Chubais pattern, and the same policy of corrupt robbery of the country took away? Plus, still, apparently, all the current "great-power" Wishlist will be abandoned, and rush to ask for forgiveness from the "dear Western partners" for the Crimea, for "aggression" in the Donbass, for "imperial politics" and "gun shock" ... That is ., something else must happen such that these authorities do not stand what - nor did the country die before request ... That is, one cannot do without the new Minin and Pozharsky. request As always: until we break into the blood - no one will take up the matter! One question: at what cost only will this period be given between the collapse of the former state and the repetition of the feat of Minin and Pozharsky ?! crying
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 January 2018 07: 09
    +2
    The author speaks beautifully, and sometimes even correctly. But whether he will budge and whether this colossus called the state will go in the right direction is a rhetorical question. request
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 23
      17
      Why touch her? satisfied with the government. Involuntarily, you recall the perestroika anecdote, we began to live better, the president and the government said. I am glad for you, the people said.
  4. bald
    bald 14 January 2018 07: 28
    +3
    If now in Russia, especially before the elections, there will be all sorts of unrest, which is what the opponents of Russia are seeking - Russia will be covered with a copper basin for many years. The most true, respect or not, support, or at least not interfere, the political course of the current government. You perfectly understand that if the West and the states are not satisfied with the processes taking place in Russia, then we are on the right track. And only the naive will believe that this road is paved.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 24
      21
      political course of the current government.
      But their political course is liberal-comprador and they don’t recognize the other.
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 07
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        But their political course is liberal-comprador and they don’t recognize the other.

        86% of the population ... let me remind you, for Putin’s course.
        1. Alf
          Alf 15 January 2018 20: 01
          +2
          Quote: Petr1968
          86% of the population ... let me remind you, for Putin’s course.

          It depends on where and how to count.
          1. Petr1968
            Petr1968 16 January 2018 10: 23
            0
            Quote: Alf
            It depends on where and how to count.

            Do you have other sources? Present your numbers.
            1. Alf
              Alf 16 January 2018 19: 58
              +3
              Quote: Petr1968
              Quote: Alf
              It depends on where and how to count.

              Do you have other sources? Present your numbers.

              What sources do you have? Levada Center?
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 14 January 2018 09: 02
      24
      Quote: bald
      You perfectly understand that if the West and the states are not satisfied with the processes taking place in Russia, then we are on the right track. .

      Tired of the banal question to the conflagrants and edrosami - Why are you always oriented to the West? What difference does it make to us what the West wants or does not want, because the main thing is what we want. What are you rushing about with this West, as with a written sack, they say the West is to blame for everything!
      In Ukraine, due to the lack of other motivation, people are intimidated by Russia and Putin. And, in Russia, due to the absence of other arguments, they scare the dashing 90s, and the West. Of the positive arguments, only the slogan remains: “For stability!”. Real achievements are hard to brag about.
      Yes! That horse at the crossing, which has not been changed for decades, will soon grow old and die.
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 14 January 2018 09: 26
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        It’s hard to brag about real achievements

        Do you want to see them? Do you live with your eyes wide shut or just do not want to see the achievements! Well, by the way, I understand you laughing
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 January 2018 09: 41
          24
          Quote: you Vlad

          You live with your eyes wide shut or just don't want to see the achievements!

          If you have a troll in front of you, then he will surely turn to personalities and give a personal assessment! Truth?
          Can you list these achievements? All these achievements are only in front of the poor 90s! And, when compared with the advanced countries of the world, with the USSR, then achievements are no longer.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 14 January 2018 09: 46
            +4
            Quote: Stas157
            If you have a troll in front of you, then he will surely become personal! Truth?

            This is what fashion is now, when there is nothing to say right away the troll laughing Stas, I’ve laid out a picture of achievements five times before you (tired of throwing beads), and here you are singing the same song (order?), So which of us is a troll?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 14 January 2018 09: 54
              17
              Quote: You Vlad
              Stas, yes, I’ve laid out a picture of achievements five times before you (tired of throwing beads)

              Correctly. Do not lay out - get another failure.
              1. You Vlad
                You Vlad 14 January 2018 10: 00
                +3
                Quote: Stas157
                Right.

                Yes, what a failure laughing Do not make me laugh laughing , and in response to silence request
                An intelligent person will compare how he used to live before Putin and how he lives now!
                And all the noodles from the ears will slide ..
                But then you probably get the last horseradish with carrots crying Oh byad, how difficult it was to live ..
                1. Nehist
                  Nehist 14 January 2018 20: 46
                  +4
                  I'll be honest! Before Putin lived better
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 15 January 2018 07: 00
                    0
                    Yes, many had a better life with EBN!
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      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 09: 35
        +7
        Quote: Stas157
        What difference does it make to us what the West wants or does not want, because the main thing is what we want

        Stas157Bravo !!! laughing good laughing
        Indeed, there is some kind of west ... YOU ARE THING MAIN.
        And you, it’s necessary to understand - it’s you personally, stas, Sling cutter... well, and with five more characters, right? wink
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 January 2018 09: 50
          16
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Indeed, there is some kind of west ... YOU ARE THE MAIN THING.
          And you, you have to understand - it’s you personally, stas, Stroporez ... well, and from five characters, right?

          No not like this. I meant that you do not need to focus on the West all the time and conduct your policy on this. We need to focus on what we want. And, our opinions may be different.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 10: 38
            +8
            Quote: Stas157
            I mean, you don’t need to be oriented to the West all the time.

            Who do you think is "oriented to the West"?
            I suggest: this:
            Quote: bald
            ... if the West and the states are not satisfied with the processes taking place in Russia, then we are on the right track

            - in no way means some kind of "orientation" request
            Well, of course, if there are no problems with logic wink
            And you answered exactly that ... that's strange, right?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 14 January 2018 11: 19
              14
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              in no way means some kind of "orientation"

              But what does interesting mean?
              This is the general tendency of all Confusionists to scare everyone with the West. And the position is "for Putin!" justify that the West is against. It is not necessary to look for particulars in my message, I not only answered Lysova (I don’t know Lysova this is a woman or a man, her surname is female, but a photo of a man), but I wrote this about all Zaputintsev as a general phenomenon.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 11: 29
                +4
                Quote: Stas157
                But what does interesting mean?

                Nothing but the said yes
                Quote: Stas157
                This is the general tendency of all Messengers to scare everyone with the West.

                Who scares you? Specifically in the phrase to which you are attached?
                Nobody scares you there.
                Or are you ... terrified of such a life? wink
                Quote: Stas157
                wrote this about all Zaputintsev ...

                Well, yes, well, yes ... they’ll justify themselves in miles ..., pah, the police. When you get into it.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 14 January 2018 11: 45
                  14
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Nothing but the said

                  Yes, you didn’t say anything except the phrase denial
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  - in no way means some kind of "orientation"
                  But where is the statement that it really means if Lysov’s comment itself refers to the notorious West?
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Who scares you? Specifically in the phrase to which you are attached?
                  Nobody scares you there.
                  Or are you ... terrified of such a life?

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Well, yes, well, yes ... they’ll justify themselves in miles ..., pah, the police.

                  Golovan in his role? A set of meaningless phrases, and the transition to the individual! But how did you suddenly become a colonel general? Stake, many are interested here! First they banned mercilessly, then suddenly they rushed from rags to riches! How did you do this?)) After all, the system itself cannot automatically jump over several ranks.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 12: 31
                    +7
                    So ... the trollin does not just smell, but already stinks ...
                    Source phrase
                    Quote: bald
                    if the West and the states are not satisfied with the processes taking place in Russia, then we are on the right track

                    Does it remind you of anything? Right? And here it is:
                    If our enemies scold us, then we do everything right

                    Remind you of the author, or do you think yourself? laughing
                    And there’s nothing here, panimisch, to breed boltology ... stasik stop
                    Quote: Stas157
                    After all, the system itself can not automatically jump over several ranks

                    I know nothing. I was in the bath for 10 days, I left ... as it is now.
                    Let's ban you too, suddenly you too ... lucky wassat
                    1. Stas157
                      Stas157 14 January 2018 14: 36
                      13
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      So ... the trollin does not just smell, but already stinks ...

                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      there is nothing here, panimischa, breed boltology ... stasik

                      After such polites, it is not surprising why:
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Was in the bath for 10 days

                      Previously, the infamous Cat Manul, a lover of cats and dogs, who was also mercilessly banned for switching to personalities, lived here. You and he are not the same person by chance? Vague doubts torment me.)) It hurts a lot in common with this "comrade"!
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 18: 49
                        +6
                        Quote: Stas157
                        Stas157

                        So laughing
                        The standard blurring of the subject began discussion and throwing opponent with excrement ...
                        Stas, if you are not a troll - who do you think you are? wink
      3. Petr1968
        Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 09
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        Why are you always orienting yourself to the West? What difference does it make to us what the West wants or does not want, because the main thing is what we want.

        Because all the troubles of the Russian people from beyond the hill. Not ourselves we make our lives like that .. We would have built paradise, but the West is bothering us !!!!
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2018 07: 40
    +5
    Of course, it is necessary to change the government, and this had to be done yesterday. Let's see after the election who will be in the new government. If liberal economists-financiers and advisers in the person of the same Kudrin again remain, then there will be no limit to disappointment.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 14 January 2018 08: 08
      13
      you can start to be disappointed right this very minute ... because Putin will win ....
      1. 406ppm2gv
        406ppm2gv 14 January 2018 20: 47
        +1
        I’ll repeat again, not for that, he created his own way at 12, so as not to refuse now.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 January 2018 08: 25
      19
      there will be no limit to disappointment.
      And what? This president will remain, the same people will remain, only in terms of positions he moves.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 14 January 2018 10: 16
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        This president will remain, the same people will remain, only in terms of positions he moves.

        You really do not understand that until the country has acquired sovereignty, will those who will appoint us rule us? Putin's task for the next 6 years to achieve independence. To do this, he created all the prerequisites - united the country, fed the people and provided work, created the most powerful army in the world. What you are talking about is the task of the next president. Not earlier.
        1. Alf
          Alf 14 January 2018 10: 36
          15
          Quote: Boris55
          fed the people

          What? Chemical trash?
          Quote: Boris55
          provided work

          Factories stand up one by one. Or do you mean any intermediaries?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 14 January 2018 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: Alf
            What? Chemical trash?

            That is, the question of the lack of food moved to the plane of food quality?
            Quote: Alf
            Factories stand up one by one.

            Yes, almost every week, Putin, then the Prime Minister, press on the red buttons.
            The era of industrialization is over.
            1. Alf
              Alf 14 January 2018 21: 23
              +7
              Quote: Boris55
              That is, the question of the lack of food moved to the plane of food quality?

              No. Simply, if the Soviet GOSTs were introduced again, then the people would really starve, because real food is very small. And there would have appeared so dear to the accusers of the "hungry scoop" line.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 14 January 2018 16: 35
          +9
          achieve independence for the next 6 years
          What has he been doing before for 18 years? Here are examples of eighteen years 1923-1941 or 1946-1964 how many changes! And in our country the rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
          Just recently, Putin went to the Tver Carriage Works. Immediately I thought, well, I criticize him, but what a plant, people are working all right. And I remembered the Soviet and factories were built and worked and houses were built, apartments did not receive money. And there were no homeless people ...
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 14 January 2018 16: 44
            0
            Quote: Gardamir
            What has he been doing before for 18 years?

            At first I was going to collect, then I fed her, then she defended her from external enemies. Now we need to get rid of them, but how to get rid of them - half of the rats themselves will run away, and we will figure out the remaining ones as a thread. You can, of course, put on your pants from the beginning and then underpants - but nothing good will come of it. Ukraine tried - everyone can see the result.
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 14 January 2018 17: 11
              +6
              Collected? What is it like?
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 15 January 2018 20: 48
              +1
              Quote: Boris55
              At first I would gather, then I fed her, then she defended her from external enemies

              Medleyaya, You Boris55 can safely go to the Kinder-Surprise for a palm oil medal yes
          2. Alf
            Alf 14 January 2018 21: 26
            +4
            Quote: Gardamir
            Just recently, Putin went to the Tver Carriage Works.

            Here are just the faces of those "workers" painfully already non-working. Painfully their hands are well-groomed, but their robes are not wrinkled ....
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 14 January 2018 21: 56
              +7
              faces of those 'workers'
              as well?
          3. Victor N
            Victor N 15 January 2018 07: 05
            0
            Yes, such landscapes opened from the party committee window!
            Someone got the apartments.
        3. zoolu350
          zoolu350 14 January 2018 20: 40
          +2
          And another 6 years passed, and the country under the leadership of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation (Putin) all sought independence, then another 6 years, and then such a country did not become. The most powerful army in the PLA world and it was created by Mao Zedong, and not the oligarchy of the Russian Federation.
        4. Nehist
          Nehist 14 January 2018 20: 57
          +8
          Voris55 Dear, you apparently live in some other country. Jobs are being cut, and I can’t afford an extra kilogram of meat. To the light of the strongest Army, do not tell, to the legendary and not victorious in its worst version, Nam still like to the Moon.
        5. Petr1968
          Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 10
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          You really do not understand that until the country has acquired sovereignty, will those who will appoint us rule us?

          Russia is the MOST sovereign country, so much more sovereign !!!
          1. Alf
            Alf 15 January 2018 20: 02
            +3
            Quote: Petr1968
            Russia is the MOST sovereign country, so much more sovereign !!!

            This is exactly the most sovereign country ... from its own people.
            1. Petr1968
              Petr1968 16 January 2018 10: 16
              0
              Quote: Alf
              This is exactly the most sovereign country ... from its own people.

              Do not distribute your complexes throughout the country. I have relatives in Ukraine and Belarus; I work in the countries of the former USSR. I see that there and how they live there. Russia compares favorably with ALL of these countries ... I am already silent about Europe.
    3. Alf
      Alf 14 January 2018 10: 34
      +9
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If liberal economists-financiers and advisers in the person of the same Kudrin remain again,

      Do you want to bet?
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 14 January 2018 08: 09
    17
    A good and rightful politician Delyagin, he needs protection, because he honestly says that those in power will not like it! He needs to be an example of the country, and simultaneously engage in economics! But, in the foreseeable future, liberties of such people will not be allowed to come to power!
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 14 January 2018 10: 33
      +2
      Fear the mummers and the speakers a lot and rightly!
      1. populist
        populist 14 January 2018 13: 01
        +6
        To be or not to be
        Fear the mummers and the speakers a lot and rightly!

        In other words, one has to walk in rags, speak a little and nonsense (wrong), and ideally - be silent. And then there will be happiness? laughing
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 14 January 2018 13: 45
          +1
          Quote: populist
          To be or not to be
          Fear the mummers and the speakers a lot and rightly!

          In other words, one has to walk in rags, speak a little and nonsense (wrong), and ideally - be silent. And then there will be happiness? laughing

          Opinion has ripened on the example of Ukraine. How everyone spoke and speak beautifully ... Whoops upright ... and how Pavlov’s dogs begin to saliva ..... with the promise of future happiness ..
          And Julia’s white clothes with a scythe and hearty on her left. .so bright red and small ... and many many future times .. laughing
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 14 January 2018 19: 22
        +2
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Fear the mummers and the speakers a lot and rightly!

        So Putin must be afraid.
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 16 January 2018 10: 19
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Good and correct politician Delyagin,

      Yes ... what the right politician will not create his party?)) He is not a politician. And says nonsense.
  7. Conductor
    Conductor 14 January 2018 08: 24
    16
    One question for Delyagin, and who is supporting the top here? Isn't it a Guarantor?
    1. Alf
      Alf 14 January 2018 10: 37
      19
      Quote: Conductor
      One question for Delyagin, and who is supporting the top here? Isn't it a Guarantor?

      No, no, that you! Putin’s impostor goes to these elections .., excuse me, self-nominated. And the fact that he was immediately supported by EP is just a coincidence ...
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 14 January 2018 08: 54
    +4
    This requires limiting corruption, financial speculation and the arbitrariness of monopolies, conscious protectionism at least at the level of the European Union, guaranteeing a living wage and then rising social standards, restoring health care and education, overcoming the pension crisis and the shadow economy by introducing a normal, progressive scale of income taxation.
    .... And who will do this? .. Patriots-capitalists? ..
  9. You Vlad
    You Vlad 14 January 2018 09: 09
    +4
    Mikhail Delyagin is an opposition expert, but what is most important (sacred) for the opposition? Well, right, the power to find fault and to beat yourself in the chest, yes I know exactly what to do laughing Everybody wants power wink Before you believe any experts, look around you and draw the dynamics of how you used to live and how you live now! And all the trouble will disappear repeat
  10. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 14 January 2018 10: 06
    +8

    It is enough to look at these vile faces so that the hand instinctively reaches for the machine. Such evil spirits should not be a place on Russian soil. Liberasts are enemies of not only Russians, but also other indigenous peoples of Russia. If you look for their analogue in medicine, then other parasites - worms - immediately come to mind. These worms can only be removed with drugs with a high content of lead ...
    1. You Vlad
      You Vlad 14 January 2018 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: Northern warrior
      These worms can only be removed with drugs with a high content of lead ...

      So get lead on Wall Street! And then they just open their mouths, there's nothing to be done, freedom of speech request
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 14 January 2018 10: 23
        +5
        Quote: You Vlad
        freedom of speech

        Freedom of speech or the exclusive right of 0,01% of the country's population to impose their point of view on everyone else? sad
        1. Northern warrior
          Northern warrior 14 January 2018 11: 05
          +9
          Exactly ! Freedom of speech under liberalism - the freedom of 1% of parasites to water shit with impunity for the remaining 99% of the population, hiding behind pluralism and tolerance.
    2. rruvim
      rruvim 14 January 2018 18: 59
      0
      Why is the fifth? It’s quite a first!
    3. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 12
      0
      Quote: Northern warrior
      It is enough to look at these vile faces so that the hand instinctively reaches for the machine.

      What stops?
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  12. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 11: 55
    +3
    Golovan Jack,
    I agree, "it will not be boring." We are waiting for Grudinin to “explain” - “get out” ... He’s kind of strange, what prevented them from writing these “euros” on the “trust” - they all do it, maybe because (we think only good things about the person wink ) that he wanted to be "honest." lol
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 12: 11
      +5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I agree, "it will not be boring"

      In general, all this amateur performance reminds me of ...
      On the one hand, the brow is put forward by the “Communists" (I think differently about today's ... I can’t. The real ones ended even under the Union).
      On the other hand, the best friend and well-wisher of the Russian Federation M. MacFol tweeted that "... the fact that the Communist Party chose him as a party presidential candidate is a small step forward in the rotation of Russian elites. Good"

      I have the impression that the candidate was chosen on the principle of “at least a cat, if there is no dog” request
      And by the way ... and what are these "securities" such that 600 pieces of them pulls only 600+ kilobaks? I’m not an expert in these matters even once, but somehow it’s strange to me ...
      1. Cat Marquis
        Cat Marquis 14 January 2018 12: 26
        +4
        Well .... And what do you dislike about the "cat"? Is he worse than a "dog"? Quite “seals” are offended. You, after all, are also the former "Cat"? "Manul," not? sad
      2. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 12: 41
        +2
        On the "euro": there are bonds of the "general loan" - Brussels emits them - the face value there (as far as I remember) is 200000 euros apiece and there is the "euro" of the state loan of individual EU countries - there the price varies from 10000 euros to 200000 Euros per bond.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 12: 47
          +4
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          200000 euros apiece ... and there is ... from 10000 euros to 200000 euros per bond

          Thanks for the information.
          That is, 600 "papers" for $ 600000 - it doesn’t happen all the same, probably.
          It seemed to me from the very beginning.
          Okay, we are waiting for the continuation ... of the play good
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 14: 40
            +2
            Of course, “it doesn’t happen” is after all “bonds”, that is, papers of an “external state loan”: think for yourself what interest the state is “stifling” on trifles' (I apologize for Fen) ... although ... there Greece does not shy away and "little things" - "hesitates" for 10000 eureka .... wink
  13. Ural resident
    Ural resident 14 January 2018 12: 06
    +2
    twenty five again.
    Return money from American securities and let's spend it together.
    How these wiseacles do not understand that injecting a huge amount into the domestic market will immediately cause hyperinflation and this money will turn into zero.
    our indexation of pensions is small and it immediately causes a price increase.
    The reserve must be stored in any case, and the more the better. There are so far only 2 options for gold and securities. So far, from the second, staff members have the most profitable ones. I would say that there is even more to be stored there - the Chinese have 10 times more. And this is not feeding the economy - this is a loan - then the borrower returns this money with interest. American loans have a small percentage - but let this not deceive anyone - I take into account the constant strengthening of the dollar and its stability to any vacillations in the world — this yields a very good income, which we will later realize.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 January 2018 12: 27
      13
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      pouring a huge amount into the domestic market will immediately cause hyperinflation and this money will turn into zero.

      Do not turn. If this money, which is sorely lacking, is spent on the modernization of production and industry, on new technological projects. As a result, a new product will appear that compensates for the "extra" money. This is the guarantee of any development.
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      The reserve must be stored in any case, and the more the better. There are so far only 2 options for gold and securities. So far, from the second, the employees are the most profitable.

      The most profitable in Russia. For Russian securities up to 8-9%! Russia gives the United States its money at 0,2% in order to then take from Kerry Trade international speculators 8% each. Here is such arithmetic.
      But this is in terms of benefits. And in terms of common sense? If Hitler would give the most favorable interest, then the USSR also had to give money to him? Or do you think the United States is a friend?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 12: 44
        +5
        Quote: Stas157
        If this money, which is sorely lacking, is spent on the modernization of production and industry, on new technological projects. As a result, a new product will appear that compensates for the "extra" money.

        "Product will arise" years after you start spending money on it.
        And the money you spent (in the form of salaries, bonuses) will "pop up" in the nearest store in the form of an increase in prices for all-all-all in six months at most.
        This is the alphabet, Daragoy yes
        Quote: Stas157
        The most profitable in Russia. For Russian securities up to 8-9%

        Stasik, do you understand what you’re saying?
        The Central Bank of the Russian Federation, in your opinion, should invest in ... government bonds of the Russian Federation, and pay 8% to myself??
        Extremely enchanting belay
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 January 2018 15: 01
          12
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          "Product will arise" years after you start spending money on it.

          Otherwise, it will not arise at all! In another way, this does not happen.
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Stasik, do you understand what you’re saying?
          The Central Bank of the Russian Federation, in your opinion, should invest in ... government bonds of the Russian Federation, and pay 8% to itself ??

          No better to give to international speculators! At least you could save these 8% for yourself. Given volumes, it's billions of dollars.
          And drop this obscene habit of acting like that. You are not hitting me with this, but you are humiliating yourself.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 17: 52
            +5
            Quote: Stas157
            No better to give to international speculators! At least you could save these 8% for yourself

            That is, that the state cannot occupy itself, you already understood.
            Well, let's move on ...
            You see, if money is borrowed, then this is necessary.
            It would not be necessary - they would not be occupied ...
            Try also to learn it, it is not so difficult at all. You just have to try.
      2. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 14 January 2018 14: 27
        +3
        I already explained why Russia buys Treasure. I remind you once again that they are needed for "collateral" foreign trade transactions in the context of banking sanctions. How is a regular interstate trade deal? Thinking of a simple money transfer? But no. For foreign public procurement, in the right country is a bank that agrees to accompany the transaction and takes a loan, which is usually repaid at the end of the year. That is, the transaction is conducted through a loan! And now we are starting to think, but where is Russia to get a loan in the face of ever tougher sanctions, when the credit line has been limited? Everyone will say right away, in China! And here you go, Chinese banks affiliated for foreign trade do not give loans to those countries that are under sanctions for fear of losing this very “affiliation”. And where is the exit? And the bank accepts highly liquid securities — these very “treasuries”, which, if desired, are already converted into cash currency, to exit the mortgage transaction, that is, instead of a loan. Yes, there is a percentage loss, but this is better than "nothing." It is for these purposes that Russia is buying the Treasury.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 January 2018 14: 56
          +8
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          For foreign public procurement, in the right country is a bank that agrees to accompany the transaction and takes a loan, which is usually repaid at the end of the year. That is, the transaction is conducted through a loan!

          So let it be done not through credit. A simple listing. Technically, this is possible. Money is transferred instantly through the Swift system. Why should such a simple thing be a problem?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 17: 57
            +6
            Quote: Stas157
            Why should such a simple thing be a problem?

            It doesn’t have to be, you see. She just is.
            Camrad Monster_Fat This is very simple and affordable.
            If you do not understand - read his comment again ... and again, and again ... and so on - until you realize that this condition (conducting a foreign trade transaction through a pledge) is an objective reality. Completely independent of anyone's hotelok yes
        2. You Vlad
          You Vlad 14 January 2018 15: 04
          +2
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          I already explained why Russia buys Treasure. I remind you once again that they are needed for "collateral" foreign trade transactions in the context of banking sanctions.

          You should not waste time guys in the tank fellow They were explained to them a hundred times, and after a week look and they again have the same pearl! Do not bother the progrudinites to bury the country laughing
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 14 January 2018 15: 21
            +9
            Quote: You Vlad
            You are wasting your time, guys in the fellow tank explained to them a hundred times

            Why are you wasting time? I have a feeling that you almost never miss my comments, and with amazing constancy, as if in a dream, you never get tired of telling me the same thing.
            1. You Vlad
              You Vlad 14 January 2018 18: 15
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              do not get tired of talydychit one and the same

              So you did not realize my comment above?
              Quote: You Vlad
              (tired of throwing beads)
              I translate: "Do not give the shrine to the dogs and do not throw your pearls before the pigs, so that they do not trample it underfoot with their feet and, turning, do not tear you to pieces." repeat I gave this example as a metaphor.
        3. Svist
          Svist 16 January 2018 23: 07
          0
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          for fear of losing this very "affiliation"

          So because of this, Sberbank refuses to work in the Crimea, and Alfa Bank lend to the defense industry?
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 14 January 2018 12: 30
      +2
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      How these wiseacles do not understand that injecting a huge amount into the domestic market will immediately cause hyperinflation and this money will turn into zero.

      The amount of money should equal the amount of production. If we develop production spheres for the production of goods, then it will most likely be a matter of deflation.
    3. Nehist
      Nehist 14 January 2018 21: 04
      +3
      You explain how the dollar provides its stability? Yes, they just print as much as necessary and not be afraid of any kind of hyperinflation. Following your logic in the USA, hyperinflation has been going on for 50 years and that they don’t survive
  14. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 13: 23
    +5
    Quote: Gardamir
    And then what to expect from the rulers in the country if the administrators and moderators themselves do not comply with the rules here already on the site. Answer why the troll was slaughtered on December 31 was a colonel in the hierarchy of the site, and already on January 4, Colonel General?

    To paraphrase the question slightly:
    Why calling yourself Gardamir allowed to violate the Site Rules ("mate", insults ... I need examples - I have them), but I, for one, don't?
    This is really a question wink
    And about the pluses and the epaulettes of the local - they are to me ... like a wolf newsletter laughing
    Well, someone liked the comments, someone put a plus sign ... or a few plus signs ... which of the Site Rules is violated, Gardamir?
    PS: Site rules:
    Insulting administrators or moderators and article authors is also punishable by a ban - respect other people's work

    Obviously for Gardamirthis law doesn’t work either ... funny recourse
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 14 January 2018 15: 08
      11
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      And about the pluses and the epaulettes of the local - they are to me ... like a wolf newsletter

      Then you, as an honest person, should contact the site administration and explain that an error has occurred! And that shoulder straps you did not deserve. Thus restore justice.
      1. You Vlad
        You Vlad 14 January 2018 18: 41
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        And that shoulder straps you did not deserve.

        Why is it not deserved? The fact that many people share the point of view of Golovan Jack and plus it is not fair? And what is justice in your understanding? You write banal slogans for the mass consumer ... hi For me it’s not fair, in my understanding of justice No.
  15. DeGreen
    DeGreen 14 January 2018 15: 06
    0
    Yes, you need to shoot these liberils
  16. Curious
    Curious 14 January 2018 15: 24
    0
    The second hundred years have passed since the monarchy in Russia passed away, but faith in the “good king”, the expectation of the Leader, Boss, Leader, largely prevail in the consciousness of the masses today. Grudinin was nominated for the role of the next "people's king". And no one even wants to think about where he will take the resources to defeat the legions of "bad boyars".
  17. tank66
    tank66 14 January 2018 15: 29
    +2
    Damn, I'm the only one here so old that I remember Vzglyadovskie night transmission? I remember your gorgeous report from Kobzonovskaya’s day. It’s like a hidden camera. Where Zhirik is hugging Zyugan, the Germans are tired / typing with a capital letter / with hakamada jokes, the guard journalist prevents them from cocktails, the meadow tricks seem ... idyll.
    KGB officers / Tada gendarmes / Nicholas 2 threw off, they raised Stalin. Years passed. They destroyed the USSR. Put Putin. People, does anyone really think that they will choose Petrushka-sternum instead? Yes, the GDP will last a couple of terms. Depilator + Internet = Strength. Ren-tv will show that a fontanel with living water was found, unfortunately, there is little water dripping, only enough for the President, many will believe. Everything is going according to plan, we have to wait for the current.
    I had to hold in my hands (in the 90s) the Pravda newspaper with the day after tomorrow regarding tomorrow's elections. After that, there were no illusions left. I won’t be surprised if the inaugural speech of 2018 has already been drawn up ... I don’t know the current so far who is powered by energy human from the drilling of elected g ... veins. Probably those who feed from the stadiums. You need to call Sportloto.
  18. rruvim
    rruvim 14 January 2018 16: 59
    +6
    And what about all the comments on the "wall" about Grudinin. Delyagin writes that the government has “plenty” of money, but it does not give them for development, neither to small enterprises nor large ones. I received an SMS from the so-called state-owned bank Sberbank, where a loan of 300 thousand is offered for me. at 16,9% per annum. And how to relate to this state?
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 16
      0
      Quote: rruvim
      from the so-called state bank Sberbank

      We do not have state banks.
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 14 January 2018 17: 03
    +6
    Quote: Boris55
    Quote: Alf
    By the way, has anyone checked the grease itself?

    Is there any suspicion? laughing

    The Liberal Democratic Party - was created as a legendary organization for the West, at the same time to create the appearance of pluralism and a multi-party system in the Gorbachev USSR, and subsequently specified the task of countering the Communist Party. Hence the full bow of the order "For Merit to the Fatherland by their Leader. It is financed, including by the state. sad
  20. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 14 January 2018 18: 44
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    Pavel Grudinin ... on the accounts of a communist in an Austrian bank is about 5 billion rubles .... "

    Grudinin 22 years director of the farm to them. Lenin.
    Sechin has a salary of 17,7 million dollars a year, (Forbes estimated at 25 million) more than a billion a year.
    Sechin has been steering Rosneft since 2012. So who has the most money and who brings the most benefits to the country?
    The commodity economy is destroying Russia.
  21. Lexus
    Lexus 14 January 2018 20: 20
    +4
    Delyagin - sensible and principled. He would head the Accounts Chamber.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 14 January 2018 20: 26
      +5
      Quote: lexus
      Delyagin - sensible and principled. He would head the Accounts Chamber.

      Exactly good
      And
      Quote: lexus
      An excellent prime minister would have come out of Glazyev. And the economic bloc can be entrusted to Boldyrev.


      Well and then, to the heap - Strelkova - MO yes
      There will be something in the zoo belay
    2. Svist
      Svist 16 January 2018 22: 59
      0
      Quote: lexus
      Delyagin - sensible and principled. He would head the Accounts Chamber

      And what would change? System...
  22. iouris
    iouris 15 January 2018 01: 10
    +1
    There is the concept of a “foreign agent”, it needs to be specified (“CIA agent”, “US State Department agent”, “IMF agent” ...) and carry out special measures (recruitment or destruction). And about liberalism it’s not necessary so ... I consider myself a great liberal.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 January 2018 18: 01
      0
      Quote: iouris

      1
      iouris Today, 01:10
      There is the concept of a “foreign agent”, it needs to be specified (“CIA agent”, “US State Department agent”, “IMF agent” ...) and carry out special measures (recruitment or destruction). And about liberalism it’s not necessary so ... I consider myself a great liberal.

      A foreign agent in your understanding, these are those who commit crimes against Russia. But here the conversation is not about that. The same Memorial does not violate the law.
  23. Volga073
    Volga073 15 January 2018 09: 20
    +4
    Correct article ... Medvedev and his "oligarchs" plunder Russia in favor of America.
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 15 January 2018 17: 17
      0
      Quote: Volga073
      Medvedev and his "oligarchs" plunder Russia in favor of America.

      No, Russia is getting richer and richer, contrary to the communists who want the CPSU and the USSR.
      1. Alf
        Alf 15 January 2018 20: 04
        +3
        Quote: Petr1968
        No, Russia is getting richer and richer, contrary to the communists who want the CPSU and the USSR.

        List of "Russians" is it possible? Are you personally very wealthy?
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 16 January 2018 10: 14
          0
          Quote: Alf
          List of "Russians" is it possible? Are you personally very wealthy?

          How I live now and how in the USSR - heaven and earth.
  24. Sebastian Pereira
    Sebastian Pereira 16 January 2018 18: 49
    0
    In short, it is clear. Fsopropalomyfseumreoom!
  25. Icarus
    Icarus 16 January 2018 21: 39
    +5
    Golovan Jack,
    Do you even know how long the court in such cases lasts for consideration, taking into account the appointment of linguistic examinations? Now count how much before the election. He will not sue, because, firstly, he will not be in time, and secondly, the message that he has a lot of money is not currently the dissemination of "defamatory information." That is, not any inaccurate information is discrediting a person from the point of view of public morality. So there is no reason to sue Grudinin. Now, if they write to the media (and most likely write) that he has breakfast in the morning as infants, then it is necessary to sue, but this will not affect the elections anyway, since the refutation will be published by court decision after the elections. And those who are zombified by the “great and mighty box” will make their choice based on the messages of the “box”.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 16 January 2018 21: 52
      +4
      Quote: Icarus
      Do you even know how long the court in such cases lasts for consideration, taking into account the appointment of linguistic examinations?

      So ... dear, master the "quote" button, otherwise I’m lost in the stream of your thoughts ...
      If you are talking about a document submitted by candidate G. to the Central Election Commission, then everything is written there completely unambiguously.
      Nothing, by the way, prevents candidate G. from simply submitting another Supplement, where he can explain what and where he didn’t indicate so.
      Quote: Icarus
      So there is no reason to sue Grudinin

      You argue with yourself. I never said that candidate G. should ... sue.
      And there’s no one to sue, by the way. The document that I cited was compiled on behalf of the candidate G. What is it for him, the heartfelt - to sue himself now ... to sue?
      Something like that request
      1. Icarus
        Icarus 16 January 2018 23: 47
        +2
        I am citing:
        We take places, stock up on seeds ... dull, the campaign will not be
        . Grudinin has nothing to clarify. He declared securities for 25 million (something around that). And some media and individuals (for example, a certain Golovan) counted 7,5 billion. But he will not sue you, because this has no legal or practical meaning. You can eat popcorn and seeds dry.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 17 January 2018 06: 24
          +4
          Quote: Icarus
          Grudinin has nothing to clarify. He declared securities for 25 million (something around that).

          Ahem ... for sure. And he is the smartest, and at the same time the most beautiful (s) laughing
          Quote: Icarus
          And some media and individuals (for example, a certain Golovan) counted 7,5 billion

          Some individuals just know how to read documents. Unlike you yes
          Quote: Icarus
          But he will not sue you ...

          To me ... in parallel request
  26. Svist
    Svist 16 January 2018 22: 56
    0
    victor n,
    Idol promises to recognize the DPR and LPR., And Putin for the territorial integrity of Ukraine. Even he did not let you accelerate after the boilers ... what
  27. Cottager
    Cottager 23 January 2018 08: 46
    0
    Conflicts in the world arise when the elites quarrel, and wars are waged with the help of peoples.
    Elites have access to the common budget and corruption. Peoples are only on a budget.
    Drug trafficking is funded from the common fund.
    Prostitution is funded from the common fund, in some countries partially from the budget.
    Arms trade from the common fund and partially from the budget.
    The question is why the budget structure is publicly discussed, but the common fund structure, as it were, is not.
    If we consider money as an information resource, then money has a creator of money, an owner of money, and a user of money. They say the world is ruled by 143 families, and 45 families rule these families, perhaps by creating money. Any capitalist also owes someone, and maybe more than he owes. But profit can be derived only from the labor of man from the people, i.e. not from the car, but from the driver. If the car is autopilot, then from a programmer, from the people, for this autopilot.