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"Red Star" by Alexander Bogdanov

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With this material we open a series of articles devoted to the scientific, technical and social predictions of various well-known and little-known authors of science fiction works. We all strive to find out “what is there in the future ...” We constantly want to know what was, and what will be, mistakes and opportunities, risks and prospects. And perhaps the answer to the eternal question "Why?". Help us in this science fiction writers, who have all the possibilities for this. Someone uses them better, someone - worse. So, today we will get acquainted with the little-known novel “Red Star”. Surprisingly, but published in 1908 year, it has not lost its relevance today ...


"Red Star" by Alexander BogdanovThe cover of the novel "Red Star". Krasnaya Gazeta, 1929 year.

Let's start with the biography of the author. And he was Alexander Alexandrovich Bogdanov (real name - Malinovsky, pseudonyms - Werner, Maximov, Private). He was born in 1873 in the Grodno province and as a result became a doctor, economist, philosopher and politician. In 1896 — 1909 was a member of the Bolshevik Party, with an 1905 member of the Central Committee. The head of the inner party group "Forward". It was he who created the famous party schools of the RSDLP in Bologna and on the island of Capri. He argued with V.I. Lenin, but then in 1911, and at all decided to move away from politics and devote himself to science. Since 1918, he was the ideologue of Proletkult and advocated the creation of a new proletarian culture. In 1912, he wrote the work “General Organizational Science. Tectology ”, in which they were offered a new science about the existence of universal types and the natural possibilities of structural transformations in any, including social ones. Obviously, there were synergy and some provisions of cybernetics. In 1926, Bogdanov organized the first blood transfusion institute in the world, became its director and died during a blood transfusion experiment, which he set for himself.

The novel was written in 1908 year, but still has not lost its relevance. Many more serious works of his contemporaries lost it, but his novel, for all its some naivete, is not. But why, we'll figure it out now.

The content of the novel is as follows. His main character Leonid meets on earth aliens from another planet - the Martians, and they take him to Mars with them. He makes a flight in outer space on the ship éteronefe, driven by the decay of "radiant matter", that is, in fact, it is an atom plane. And this is only one of his predictions - the cosmic nuclear engine, because in the novel there are a lot of technical predictions. Bogdanov predicted 3D cinema, electronic computers and voice recorders, artificial protein and synthetic fibers. Production on Mars at Bogdanov is also managed by machines that accurately track the need for some kind of labor and keep records of the output and the time spent on it. It is believed, by the way, that video chat was first predicted by Hugo Gernsbek in the novel “Ralph 124С 41 +”, but it was first printed in 1911, that is, three years after the appearance of the novel Bogdanov. And in the same way, before the discovery of Einstein, it discusses the prospects for the use of nuclear energy. He foresaw the appearance of the atomic weapons, about the application of which he wrote the following: “with such a weapon, the one who warns the enemy for a few minutes with his attack, he inevitably destroys him”. Very perspicacious, isn't it?

However, the main thing in the novel "Red Star" is still not a technique, but a social structure of the Martian society. In general, he meets real communism there in the form in which Russian revolutionaries imagined him - a highly organized society of highly conscious and responsible citizens.

Labor on Mars is the need of all Martians. He brings them joy, and the length of the working day is about two hours, so most of the time they devote to leisure and self-improvement. And they change jobs all the time in order to know all its diversity. Where and how to whom to work, only recommendations are given, but they are not mandatory, since any violence in Martian society is excluded. The only thing where it is allowed is ... raising children, in those cases when they have atavistic negative instincts (that is, they can be slapped!), And also in relation to the mentally ill. At the same time, the younger generation, as well as in the novels of the Strugatsky brothers about the future “World of Noon,” is brought up not in families, but in “children's homes”, where they are both educated and brought up.

To draw a picture of a foreign world and a foreign culture is very difficult, Tommaso Campanella tried to do it in his “City of the Sun”, and Polish science fiction Jerzy Julawski in his novel-trilogy “The Winner”, published, by the way, in the same 1908 year. Bogdanov, apparently, therefore decided to somewhat simplify his task. On Mars, there is no division of people according to skin color, there is no nation, culture is one and common for all, as is one language. That's why история Martian society, he says through the mouths of his Martian heroes, is “more direct” to the history of earthlings, who have a lot of not only social, but also cultural and ethnic contradictions, which are very, very surprising to Martians who have been to Earth.

But then the most interesting begins, and here the social aspects of Bogdanov’s foresight rise to a new height. For all the trouble-free nature of Martian society, the Martians still have one problem, and they have the same problem that today faces us - uncontrolled reproduction. High moral principles do not allow the Martians to restrict fertility. But they also do not want to limit the level of consumption, while the reserves of “radiating matter” on Mars are small and sooner or later they will have to run out. True, they could have been brought in from the Earth, but the learned Martian Starny believes that humans simply won't share them with them, that the Martians on Earth are threatened with attack and destruction. Venus remains, where minerals needed by the Martians abound, but there it is very dangerous and difficult to extract them.

Therefore, Starni offers to choose the least of two evils: to destroy the population of the Earth, as it has not attained a high level of development, in favor of the already existing and mature Martian communism. Leonid's friends - engineer Manny and Martian Natty, who fell in love with a revolutionary Earthman, oppose this plan, and others do not support him, since, they say, every form of life, and even less thinking, is sacred. However, it is impossible not to notice that the decision with the colonization of Venus is also not a very good way out, because it will lead to huge casualties among the Martians, and whether the revolution will succeed on Earth and what the outcome will be is unknown.

And then Bogdanov possessed an astoundingly astounding foresight and foresight, which should probably be placed in a prominent place in front of the eyes of many politicians of a “communist orientation”: “not one is foreseen, but many social revolutions, in different countries, at different times, and even in many ways, probably of unequal character, and most importantly - with a dubious and unstable outcome. The ruling classes, relying on the army and high-tech military equipment, in some cases can inflict a destructive defeat on the rebellious proletariat, which in whole vast states will throw back the struggle for socialism for dozens of years; and examples of this kind have already been in the annals of the earth. Then the separate advanced countries in which socialism will triumph, will be like islands among the capitalist hostile to them, and part of even the pre-capitalist world. Struggling for their own domination, the higher classes of non-socialist countries will direct all their efforts to destroy these islands, will constantly organize military attacks against them and will find enough allies among the socialist nations ready for any government from among the former owners, large and small. The result of these collisions is difficult to predict. But even where socialism holds out and emerges victorious, its character will be deeply and permanently distorted by many years of the state of siege, the necessary terror and militarism, with the inevitable consequence of barbaric patriotism. ”

You can even argue, although it is, of course, not indisputable that it was for this passage that the whole novel was written. Well - examples of such an approach are known, for example, the whole novel by A.N. Tolstoy "Aelita" was written for the sake of the chapter "The Second Story of Aelita", in which he spoke about his own views on the history of mankind.

Leonid is horrified by what he heard, and Sternus kills himself in a state of soul disorder, after which the Martians bring him back to Earth. However, he does not stay there either, since it turns out that the Martian Natty takes him, wounded in revolutionary battles, again to Mars, while on Earth the proletarian revolution is victorious.

It is interesting that V.I. Lenin read this novel. And, apparently, the first part - "Red Star" and its continuation - "Engineer Manny", written by him in the 1913 year. And in one of the letters to Gorky in 1913, he wrote about him the following: “I read him to” Engineer Manny “. The same Machism is idealism, hidden in such a way that neither the workers nor the editors in Pravda understood. ” Yet “Engineer Manny,” although inferior to the “Red Star” in both ideological and artistic terms, is of considerable interest, as an original attempt to portray a transitional era to socialism. And compared with such works as Bellamy’s novel, which was widespread in our country during the years of the first revolution, or the utopian stories of Wells, the novels of Bogdanov, a man of great culture and mind and heart, a fiery idealist, in the best sense of the word, throughout his life - are excellent reading material. ”

However, V.I. Lenin wrote all this, still not knowing about the events of 1917 of the year, or about 1937 and 1945, and certainly could not foresee the year of 1991! In the meantime, everything turned out as a result “according to Bogdanov”, including the xenophobia that was widespread in our society and many other negative consequences of attempts at a radical reorganization of society, not to mention the problem of resource shortages facing earth civilization. It is necessary to replace the word “radiant matter” with the word “oil”, and it’s as if we are in our time, is it not?
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  1. XII Legion
    XII Legion 15 January 2018 06: 58
    18
    Maybe it was worth social experiments really first to conduct on Mars?
    An interesting work.
    Thank you
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 January 2018 12: 13
      +3
      Came home. I read the article. Picked up the book --- Bogdanov and Zhulavsky.
      According to Bogdanov. I just read recently, and I have selected a bunch of quotes from it.
      And according to Zhulavsky, his "" Moon trilogy "" ???????? After all, you mean her! In one part, there’s even a film ... Vyacheslav Olegovich, if we started the discussion of this book in full, someone would have been subjected !!!!!!!!!! I think that this is --- not utopia, but anti-utopia --- after all, "Sherns", the indigenous inhabitants of the moon, non-humanoids, have won!
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 15 January 2018 15: 36
      +1
      different "and apple trees will bloom on Mars ..." are possible.
      in the shower
      1. Cat
        Cat 15 January 2018 19: 50
        +2
        Hmm .... Vyacheslav Olegovich, they surprised me with an article so surprised.
        Well, thanks for the surprise!
  2. bober1982
    bober1982 15 January 2018 07: 32
    +1
    The roots of any science fiction book are found in magic, witchcraft, and occultism. That is, science fiction is not scientific. People’s fascination with such books suggests that they have lost traditional religious values.
    All this science fiction is the planting of non-Christian philosophy.
    1. kalibr
      15 January 2018 07: 41
      +4
      The oldest religious beliefs existed even in the Paleolithic era. There are three groups of beliefs known then and extant to our time and included in ALL religions without exception: animism, totemism and magic. They are present in ALL cultures, in ALL religions. For example, Russian surnames are a vivid manifestation of totemism - Volkov (son of a wolf), Vetrov (son of a wind), Klenov (son of a maple), Medvedev ... Anointing with oil is no different from anointing with blood, and the smoke of a priest’s censer is from the smoke of a Greek hecatomb. I’m not talking about saving the soul. What traditional religious values ​​are you talking about?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 15 January 2018 08: 00
        +1
        About the magic that went into all religions without exception - puzzled of course.
        Hieromonk Seraphim Rose has a fundamental work Orthodoxy and the religion of the future, after reading this work, you understand that A. Bogdanov is just an occultist and sectarian.
        1. Curious
          Curious 15 January 2018 10: 23
          10
          Beaver 1982! How are you not afraid to use the Internet? After all, this hotbed of devilry is clearly a means of recruiting the devil for his supporters. And today's media is just a bulldozer clearing the way for the Antichrist.
          Or do you sprinkle and fumigate your computer before turning it on?
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 15 January 2018 10: 48
            +2
            Quote: Curious
            How are you not afraid to use the Internet?

            Well, if I say that no aliens and UFOs exist, these are all demons! I'm serious.
            As for the article and A. Bogdanov himself, this man was certainly extraordinary, in authority in the pre-revolutionary period he was superior to Lenin, and he simply expelled him from the party, Bogdanov, by the way, opposed the forcible seizure of power, and his philosophy had a huge impact on Gorky, Lunacharsky, including.
            There are minor inaccuracies in the article, namely, he did not depart from party affairs, as the article says, but was expelled Proletkulhe created before the revolution, and not a party group Forward he was created, and a literary group.
            Lenin was a fanatic, and Bogdanov understood this, and therefore foresaw how this social experiment that he arranged could end.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 15 January 2018 11: 57
              +7
              Well, if I say that no aliens and UFOs exist, these are all demons! I'm serious.

              Sorry, but your statement is unprovable. The likelihood that the universe (infinite) is inhabited not only on Earth is still close to unity. What “green men” see mainly after hard drinking is not a denial of other options for intelligent life that are not related to demonology.
              Lenin was a fanatic, and Bogdanov understood this, and therefore foresaw how this social experiment that he arranged could end.

              Zealots do not study dialectics. And the "experiment" led to incredible economic and cultural development in the USSR. Bogdanov, apparently, had outstanding abilities, but he did not "foresee" everything.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 15 January 2018 12: 09
                +1
                Quote: avva2012
                Sorry, but your statement is unprovable

                What is strange is that you call yourself Orthodox, because for anyone who relates to them, such a question simply does not exist. You can not believe it, laugh at it - but in this case you need to adopt a different religion or become an atheist.
                Any believer is afraid of death, unlike an atheist. For the simple reason that he knows what awaits him when he gives up his spirit, namely - nothing good, roughly speaking, kicks are good.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 15 January 2018 12: 18
                  +6
                  I do not claim that people who describe how interaction with UFOs have real contact with extraterrestrial civilization, but also as interaction with evil spirits, too. The struggle between good and evil takes place in the heart of man. I don’t believe in the materialization of all demons there. This is the production of a diseased brain and nothing more (as well as “contacts” up to and including the fourth level). But the fact that we are alone in the Universe contradicts logic. Reason cannot be focused on a single planet in the infinity of worlds.
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 15 January 2018 12: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    But the fact that we are alone in the Universe contradicts logic. Reason cannot be focused on a single planet in the infinity of worlds.

                    I do not understand this, and I do not want to understand. The Holy Fathers clearly say about this.
                    I'm tired of talking, enough is enough, I’ve talked about the head against the wall.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 15 January 2018 12: 36
                      +6
                      I'm tired of talking, enough is enough, I’ve talked about the head against the wall.

                      You are not a holy father. Leave a thankless job. If there is a desire to fight evil, just do what you can do best, and let those who understand this be intangible.
                2. marline
                  marline 15 January 2018 13: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: bober1982
                  Any believer is afraid of death, unlike an atheist.

                  Are you definitely a Christian? Remember who and under what circumstances it is said:
                  Now you will be with me in paradise

                  If you are afraid of death, then alas - you are not a Christian.
                  And one more thing: where in the Bible can one read that aliens do not exist? Can you quote? And how does the church relate, for example, to elves?
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 15 January 2018 13: 16
                    +2
                    I do not want to get in a new way, but could not resist.
                    Quote: merlin
                    And how does the church relate, for example, to elves?

                    For the first time I heard about these elves from you. I googled how it is customary to say now - who are they? It turns out - unknown creatures, the spirits of the forest. Everything is clear.
                    1. marline
                      marline 15 January 2018 13: 23
                      +5
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Googled, as is customary to say now - who are they? It turns out - unknown creatures, the spirits of the forest. Everything is clear.

                      Meanwhile, according to legend, they were baptized, say St. Patrick and St. Columbus. Although they are "unknown creatures, spirits of the forest" - the salvation of the soul and they are not alien. There were also pesiglava (St. Christopher) ...
                      Why do you refuse to save aliens? Once again I ask, are you definitely a Christian?
                      1. bober1982
                        bober1982 15 January 2018 13: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: merlin
                        Why do you refuse to save aliens?

                        This terrible obscurantism, the very present, agreed to what.
                3. dzvero
                  dzvero 15 January 2018 18: 11
                  +2
                  And the Bible says that good boys go to Paradise, and bad boys go wherever they want. True, in other words, but the meaning is the same.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 15 January 2018 12: 30
                +4
                A.A. Bogdanov (1873 --- 1928) --- Russian scientist, revolutionary, doctor, thinker, science fiction writer, one of the greatest ideologists of socialism. 1918 --- 1920 ideologist of the Proletcult. 1918 --- 1921 professor of political economy 1M.U. 1918 --- 1922 member of the Presidium of the Communist Academy. 1926 --- 1928 director G.N. blood transfusion. That's all ------ W. And I wrote about all this in the comments to another article by Vyacheslav.
                And there’s nothing for Beaver to write all sorts of stupid things about "" exile ""! Fiction Beaver composed ?? These posts would not exist if Bogdanov were expelled !!!
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 15 January 2018 12: 38
                  +3
                  These posts would not exist if Bogdanov were expelled !!!

                  Something from the third “Last Call” in my memory revolves about Proletkult, I can’t remember that.
              3. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 15 January 2018 15: 42
                +1
                Quote: avva2012
                Zealots do not study dialectics. And the "experiment" led to incredible economic and cultural development in the USSR. Bogdanov, apparently, had outstanding abilities, but he did not "foresee" everything.
                I foresaw about unstable elementary particles in 2 hours of the RED STAR. I foresaw synthetic fabrics for clothes v3h and even this in the 2nd part:
                // About 500km --- 2 hours ----- the speed of the fastest falconry flight, which has not yet been achieved even by our electric roads // SAPSAN train --- very much on the topic.
                Even an explanation of eftanasia in 2 hours:
                // This is the room of the dying ........ Do you provide the suicides with this room to carry out their work? .... Yes, and all the means of a calm and painless death ..... And at the same time, no obstacles? ... .If the patient’s consciousness is clear ....... What obstacles can there be .... Suicides are very common? ...... Yes, especially among the elderly .//
                However, this is not all foresight !!!!
                1. marline
                  marline 15 January 2018 16: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  I foresaw about unstable elementary particles in 2 hours of the RED STAR.

                  Radioactive decay was discovered in 1896. Becquerel.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Anticipated synthetic fabrics for clothing

                  Viscose has been produced since the end of the 19th century.
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Even an explanation of eftanasia in 2 hours:

                  Suicides were quite popular among patricians in ancient Rome. And in general, in conditions of overpopulation, to popularize voluntary departure from life is a rather obvious decision.
                  So Bogdanov is a well-educated person who correctly guessed the main trends, but not a prophet, like most good science fiction writers.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 15 January 2018 18: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: merlin
                    So Bogdanov is a well-educated person who correctly guessed the main trends, but not a prophet, like most good science fiction writers.
                    Bogdanov described the level of use of discoveries much higher than he was then.
                    Rayon ---- the first artificial fabric from natural raw materials --- wood. It has nothing to do with synthetics. In synthetic fabrics, there is not a single gram of naturalness.
                    Still, it’s impossible to talk about a book without reading it, I advise you to read it if Bogdanov is of interest to you. By the way, when I ordered it in early December, or in November, in the OZONE there were 6 items on socialism, Bogdanov's philosophy, and now there are only 2 names.
                    1. marline
                      marline 16 January 2018 08: 27
                      0
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Bogdanov described the level of use of discoveries much higher than he was then.

                      I just wrote about this.
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Rayon ---- the first artificial fabric from natural raw materials --- wood. It has nothing to do with synthetics. In synthetic fabrics, there is not a single gram of naturalness.

                      This is true, however, the technological process described by Bogdanov is fully consistent with the process of obtaining viscose fibers, he only suggested replacing the viscose itself (obtained by processing cellulose) with some chemically synthesized substance, that is, correctly guessed the trend. Nevertheless, by the time of writing of the novel artificial fabrics were known, you will not argue with this?
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 15 January 2018 16: 32
                  +2
                  Ephthanasia, like any suicide, is the most serious crime that a person can commit. There is no excuse for this. So, although I did not read Bogdanov, but he ceases to me, I categorically like him as an author. Although, he may not justify it?
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 15 January 2018 17: 25
                    +1
                    I agree with you, Alexander, that there shouldn’t be any ephtanasia. However, having appeared in the Netherlands under the guise of compassion, it continues to be and, possibly, moves to other countries. Bogdanov foresaw this criminal ugliness and showed that it is possible. Again ---- on Mars!
                    1. Cat
                      Cat 15 January 2018 20: 14
                      +2
                      Dima with all due respect to you. Do not be offended, I will say pathetic, but that’s not the point.
                      Each person has his own path to God. The road is life. Life is a road. By deliberately interrupting your life, you will not reach God.
                      Ephthanasia is one of the ways to interrupt the path of life, this is the path of weakness, and therefore, nowhere. There is an old Caucasian wisdom - "If you want to ridicule God, tell him about your plans!"
                      Perhaps there is a lack of tolerance and conservatism in me, but here I unconditionally support Alexander "eftanasia = murder" and should be punished by law.
                      Regards Kotische.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 15 January 2018 20: 42
                        +3
                        Vlad, good evening! Why should I take offense at you? Or about Alexander? I'm ----- completely at a loss! The situation ------ is absurd from the word --- TOTALLY !!!!!! Of all those present, 3 people read the book! Well, maybe 4.After all, even during the discussion, one could look back and forth ...... With all due respect to the retelling of Vyacheslav and my quotes from Bogdanov ------ this is completely absurd --- to make an opinion on to this brief information !!!!! And even more so ----, if I give unexpected quotes for many, to think that these are my thoughts. So don’t be offended by me, Vlad, if I seem harsh to you.
                        It’s also not clear to me that you, like Alexander, are disgusted by euthanasia. But we knew about this before about Holland. But what does Bogdanov have to do with it? If he felt the ugliness hidden for 100 years? After all, he also has a mixture of (let's say) sexes, such as unisex! He guessed this muck. Let on Mars!
                        Somehow everyone forgot that he was a doctor and what he did for people
        2. kalibr
          15 January 2018 19: 55
          +1
          bober1982 Why? Isn't the sign of the cross protective magic? A "goat" from the fingers? What about me? And the question at baptism is whether you disown the devil? When a person says yes, he thereby makes a magic covenant with God by the power of his voice! An example is a mass in all world religions. No better than the prehistoric witchcraft or witchcraft of the Indians.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 January 2018 08: 56
        +6
        Yes, there are many surnames. There are many birds (Voronin, Sorokin, Starlings, Orlov, Vorobyov, Gusev, Utkin, Chizhikov, Galkin, the name of Peacock), smaller fish, there are also insects (Zhukov, Mukhin). I won’t list all the names of the animals, but I’ll add that in addition to the usual names, there were also names by the names of animals in certain places: Shpakin (Skvortsov), Vekshin (Belkin), Selekhov (Seleznev). Also for fish, plants, you can bring a lot --- for example. Parsnip, Watermelon, Cedar, etc. !!!
        1. Cat
          Cat 15 January 2018 21: 56
          +1
          Dima remind me of surnames, I tell a lot of funny things from my practice.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 15 January 2018 07: 52
    +5
    Struggling for their own domination, the upper classes of non-socialist countries will direct all their efforts to destroy these islands
    ... Which basically happened ... "Red Star", after 1929 it was no longer published .. It was reissued in 1989, in a paperback .. It’s a pity to get lost when moving .. It is read a little hard ..
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 January 2018 08: 35
      +2
      Good morning everybody! Now a series is being published like ADVENTURE LIBRARY, pocket format, but in a thick cover. Forgotten, ~~ 300 rubles., A few years ago. But other options were also published, prices from 100! I ordered the cheapest, even less and there is another story yet, the novel ENGINEER MANNY, the poem MARSIANIN, DISCHARGED TO THE EARTH. In the last 2 --- a common theme with the RED STAR.
    2. kalibr
      15 January 2018 17: 50
      +2
      By the way, compulsory reading for my students as part of the study of cultural studies. And ... they manage, although some spit. “Interesting, damn it!” They say!
  4. Curious
    Curious 15 January 2018 11: 37
    +6
    "Well, if I say that no aliens and UFOs exist - these are all demons! I seriously say."
    This is not you say, this is Hieromonk Seraphim in the book "Orthodoxy and Religion of the Future" says. Judging by your reaction to this book, you simply are not ripe for such literature. You perceive it as a child is a fairy tale - literally. Therefore, for you, Seraphim is the source of truths, Bogdanov is a sectarian.
    But between these people a lot in common. Both people have undoubtedly outstanding abilities, both have a very difficult life path, both did not immediately come to their beliefs, both served people as they understood this service. And both died in the prime of life.
    In the works of Seraphim there is a lot of very useful, but like any literature of such a plan, they require a certain preparation for the full perception.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 15 January 2018 11: 50
      0
      Quote: Curious
      You perceive it as a child is a fairy tale - literally.

      But this is not the position of S. Rose himself, but of the Church, what fairy tales can be here.
      You can (need) read St. Ignatius Brianchaninov, I will not recommend it, so as not to annoy. I mean the very specific preparation that you mentioned.
      When they begin to talk about some kind of “drummers” and “humanoids” - everyone listens smartly or talks, say about unclean spirits - it becomes fun for everyone at once, and they record them into obscurantists.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 15 January 2018 18: 19
        +1
        But humanoids and spirits of one field of the berry are extraterrestrial life forms. Our mind is based on electrochemistry, and the carrier is an organic system (on carbon). Why in the Universe cannot be reason based on electromagnetism and without an organic carrier? Here you have the perfume ...
        PS As part of fantasies, if that.
  5. Curious
    Curious 15 January 2018 12: 48
    +8
    "But this is not the position of S. Rose himself, but of the Church ..."
    Your answer just means that you are new to the question.
    Official, i.e. there is no expressed cathedral position of the church on the issue under discussion (fiction, the existence of extraterrestrial intelligent life).
    Forming an official point of view on any issue, the Church relies on Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.
    In the scriptures you will not find anything on the question of extraterrestrial life.
    As for the Holy Tradition, then the question is more complicated. We have examples of how the most authoritative people in the Church, who acquired holiness during their lifetime and subsequently canonized, expressed themselves in the spirit that it is possible to admit the presence of some creatures in other worlds, the same St. John of Kronstadt.
    So this question is complex, in the format of comments on the site I don’t see an opportunity to cover it. Moreover, I still do not have the full amount of knowledge for this. What is needed here is a theologian with a good level, capable of discussion, not a canonist-teller. The parish priest is unlikely to do, although everything happens. If you have one, discuss the issue, you will discover many new things.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 15 January 2018 13: 03
      +2
      Your answer just means that you are new to the question.
      We have examples of how the most authoritative people in the Church, who acquired holiness during their lifetime and subsequently canonized, expressed themselves in the spirit that it is possible to admit the presence of some creatures in other worlds, the same St. John of Kronstadt.

      Viktor Nikolaevich, in general, is there a limit to your knowledge?
      1. Curious
        Curious 15 January 2018 13: 13
        +5
        You flatter me. I was lucky in this regard. When I, as a young man, had a high opinion of my knowledge, life organized meetings with such people, after talking with whom my self-esteem returned to normal and I realized that the peaks were not even visible. Over time, this point of view consolidated and has not yet been revised.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 15 January 2018 13: 36
          +2
          Why, should I flatter you? Between us, somewhere in the 5 region of thousands of kilometers. The probability of real interaction is about the same in a mathematical degree. Just saying as it is.
          1. Curious
            Curious 15 January 2018 14: 56
            +6
            The ability to accumulate information and the desire to supplement it is probably natural. Someone has an absolute rumor, someone has a phenomenal memory, someone creates non-Euclidean geometry. And now in this regard, in general, the possibilities are endless. And about Religion - maybe from the ancestors? I had priests and icon painters in my family, maybe it affects something.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 15 January 2018 15: 29
              +5
              if someone will participate in the show "Who wants to become a millionaire", when you call a friend - call Victor Nikolaevich, you will not lose yes drinks
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 15 January 2018 15: 37
              +5
              Yes, it was John of Kronstadt who was surprised. Probably abilities, all the same hereditary. The priest and the icon painter need a lot to know. And most importantly, to have something immaterial, which some zealots of faith forget.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 15 January 2018 13: 24
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      that it is possible to admit the presence of some creatures in other worlds, the same St. Ave. John of Kronstad.

      Father, these very creatures expelled a lot, and not in other worlds.
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 15 January 2018 13: 36
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      Here we need a theologian with a good level, capable of discussions


      Quote: Curious
      The parish priest is hardly suitable, although everything happens

      Yes, the fact of the matter is that there is no need for any theologians, it’s for you - the problems of extraterrestrial civilizations, not that the parish priest, but some kind of grandmother will explain.
      1. Curious
        Curious 15 January 2018 14: 42
        +5
        Beaver, everything is clear with you. Discussions are not for you. In principle, if you feel more comfortable in the midst of a woman, then you should not excite your soul with light. Yes, it’s easier, you know less, sleep better. The main thing with the object of blind faith is not to miss. Blind faith - after all, it is blind, you can go out of the righteous path and not notice. So you start a confessor nevertheless, in the same place you probably have a church somewhere. So that he tells you the true path. Well, do not be eager to preach, it is not yours. All the best.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 15 January 2018 14: 52
          0
          Quote: Curious
          So you still have a confessor, in the same place you have a church somewhere

          There is a church nearby, but the confessor is not so simple, and the Holy Fathers do not advise rushing.
          Quote: Curious
          Well, do not rush to preach

          I do not preach, I do not care about others - I just expressed my attitude towards Bogdanov.
          All the best.
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 15 January 2018 16: 39
          +3
          Well, do not be eager to preach, it is not yours.

          "Love me spiritually and rejoice! For there is nothing kinder and more delightful in the world than to listen to the speeches of Mikado!" so okay? wink did you believe? laughing drinks
          1. Cat
            Cat 15 January 2018 20: 31
            +3
            Check sneaker Dear!
            Well? Divine, wet and warm is not felt?
            I feel Nicholas, we will be kicked out of VO for the flood!
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  6. marline
    marline 15 January 2018 12: 51
    +4
    Thank you for the article.
    But even where socialism holds on and emerges victorious, its character will be deeply and permanently distorted by many years of siege, the necessary terror and militarism, with the inevitable consequence - barbaric patriotism

    IMHO Bogdanov was primarily guided by the experience of the English and French revolution and rather warned of danger than anticipated the 91st year.
    1. kalibr
      15 January 2018 15: 03
      +3
      Of course, it's hard to talk about direct foresight. But ... nevertheless, it is said as if about us, isn't it?
      1. marline
        marline 15 January 2018 15: 27
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Of course, it's hard to talk about direct foresight. But ... nevertheless, it is said as if about us, isn't it?

        Again, my IMHO. But the same can be said about practically any social revolution: firstly, real practice will always in fact be significantly different from the theory and enthusiastic attitude on the part of other countries is clearly difficult to expect; secondly, after any revolution, the stage of terror and the military is inevitable, remember the saying:
        Revolution devours its children

        We still have too little idea of ​​the laws of development of society, but it is obvious that some of them, Bogdanov accurately noticed. Well, the way he expressed it coincided somewhat with our present (91st year), and, say, with the French revolution coincides even better.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 January 2018 15: 21
      +1
      It seems that there is a suitable quote from RED STAR, part 3, for this comment.
      // --- give us part of their continents, instead of which we would teach them and help them to use the rest of it much better //
      This is said by a Martian communist, a mathematician regarding earthlings. Then his concept was refuted, and he was KILLED !!!
      1. marline
        marline 15 January 2018 15: 54
        +3
        Quote: Reptiloid
        -to give us part of their continents, instead of which we would teach them and help them to use the rest

        This is not communism, but some kind of imperialism, it turns out. wink If you haven’t read it, I advise you to read I. Efremov's “Hour of the Bull” - there the earthly communists taught and helped the Tormansians absolutely free.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 15 January 2018 17: 06
          0
          Quote: merlin
          Quote: Reptiloid
          -to give us part of their continents, instead of which we would teach them and help them to use the rest

          This is not communism, but some kind of imperialism, it turns out. wink If you haven’t read it, I advise you to read I. Efremov's “Hour of the Bull” - there the earthly communists taught and helped the Tormansians absolutely free.
          You are mistaken and who is who -----
          You did not understand. These highly developed Martians persuaded other Martians to do this with the Earthlings. But did the communists in power behave communistly in the 90s? This is consistent, in my opinion, with the fact that in the 90s privatization took place with the participation of foreign rich people specially appointed. What were the conversations? As well as the domestic ones were specially selected. You can look at Ukraine as well. Also recall the Albright chatter about the resources of Russia, however in the 19th century there were similar dreams.
          1. marline
            marline 15 January 2018 17: 40
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            You did not understand. These highly developed Martians persuaded other Martians to do this with the Earthlings.

            I just understood that. This is precisely imperialism.)))
            Quote: Reptiloid
            But did the communists in power behave communistly in the 90s?

            Of course not. This was one of the reasons for the collapse.
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Also recall the Albright chatter about the resources of Russia, however in the 19th century there were similar dreams.

            That's right, Dmitry. And this is also an example of imperialism.
  7. marline
    marline 15 January 2018 14: 01
    +3
    Quote: bober1982
    This terrible obscurantism, the very present, agreed to what.

    Real obscurantism is a hostile attitude toward enlightenment, science, and progress, according to the dictionary. And it is precisely in your speeches that it can be traced, as well as religious fanaticism.
    Understand that the respected Curious tried to convey to you - Christianity (Orthodoxy) is primarily a creed about saving the soul and it does not concern issues such as the existence or absence of "aliens", the structure of the universe or the origin of man.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 15 January 2018 14: 28
      0
      Quote: merlin
      Real obscurantism is a hostile attitude toward education, science and progress.

      The result of this enlightenment and progress was the wild spread in the world of magic, false teachings and occultism. Genuine progress is the healthy conservatism of the Church.
      1. marline
        marline 15 January 2018 15: 10
        +2
        Quote: bober1982
        The result of this enlightenment and progress was the wild spread in the world of magic, false teachings and occultism.

        This is just the result of a drop in the level of enlightenment and education.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 January 2018 15: 12
        +3
        Beaver! In Russia, in the Russian Federation, magic, witchcraft, and occultism began to develop precisely after the destruction of the USSR. True, it began slowly in the last years of the USSR, and after the destruction ---- it increased by 100000000 times and was fixed by law on the basis of permission from the District Executive Committee and payment imputed income tax! At the same time, superstition spreads both among believers and atheists. And this return of the dark ages was described by science fiction writers P. ANDERSON, S. Lainier, F. Farmer and others .... Even the aforementioned Zhulavsky in the 3rd book of the LUNAR TRILOGIES.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 15 January 2018 15: 43
          +3
          Magical thinking, it has not disappeared and does not depend on the level of education. It, like the limbic system in the brain, always works. There are simply people who can crush aggression, but there are no. This is true of any archaic.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 15 January 2018 16: 00
            +1
            Quote: avva2012
            Magical thinking, it has not disappeared and does not depend on the level of education. It, like the limbic system in the brain, always works. There are simply people who can crush aggression, but there are no. This is true of any archaic.

            JAMES George Fraser ???? Then, there is the THEORY OF PRIMITIVE RELIGION, the author forgot, was inclined to agnosticism ... Probably about this?
            So I thought, as once again there is no dynamics and expression ..... Politeness got .... Probably for this purpose the author remembered about Zhulavsky. I wish everyone quarreled! And then this would have started !!!!! In this regard, I recall an article by the author ~~~~ 2 years ago about how Hunab Ku returned to Earth (or descended?). Although, what caused controversy 2 years ago, perhaps now would have looked different ....
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 15 January 2018 16: 41
              +5
              Claude Levy-Strauss Primitive Thinking. And the rest of the author’s books are also worth a look, if it’s interesting.
            2. kalibr
              15 January 2018 17: 39
              +3
              Zhulavsky is more dominated by Messinian motives. The emergence of religion and the ingratitude of people. Also, like Frank Herbert in his Dune.
            3. kalibr
              15 January 2018 17: 46
              +3
              Hunak Keel - back! He crawled out of the well of the cenote in Chichen Itza ...
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              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 January 2018 05: 51
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                Hunak Keel - back! He crawled out of the well of the cenote in Chichen Itza ...

                Buddy Hunak Keel! Sorry, forgot your name. But I remember the article well!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 16 January 2018 06: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Buddy Hunak Keel!

                  Is it Shpakovsky - Kunak Heel? I'll know. laughing
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 16 January 2018 08: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    Buddy Hunak Keel!

                    Is it Shpakovsky - Kunak Heel? I'll know. laughing

                    Not yet. This is the hero of an article 2 years ago, when everyone quarreled. I mentioned her somewhere yesterday. Historical person !!!!! MAYA KINGDOM !!!!!!!
          2. marline
            marline 15 January 2018 16: 26
            +3
            Quote: avva2012
            Magical thinking, it has not disappeared and does not depend on the level of education.

            I remembered. Once, in the house of the famous physicist Niels Bohr, one of the guests saw a horseshoe above the door nailed for good luck and asked: “Can you, great scientist, believe that the horseshoe above the door brings happiness?” To which Bohr replied: "Of course I don’t believe, I am an educated person! But, you know, they say that a horseshoe brings happiness even to those who do not believe in it." smile
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 15 January 2018 16: 47
              +6
              Right! After this story, the student, all the more, should open the window before the exam and shout, "Come freebie!" laughing
              1. kalibr
                15 January 2018 17: 41
                +4
                Put underpants inside out, put in boots for 5 rubles. under the heel and be sure to enter the audience from the left foot.
                1. marline
                  marline 15 January 2018 17: 42
                  +3
                  Still Physical education cannot be put in the first offset in any case.
                2. Mikado
                  Mikado 15 January 2018 18: 02
                  +4
                  Cowards inside out

                  And if this is a girl, and thong prefers?what Something tells me that it will be uncomfortable! request laughing
                3. Cat
                  Cat 15 January 2018 20: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Put underpants inside out, put in boots for 5 rubles. under the heel and be sure to enter the audience from the left foot.

                  Do not shave on the set-off day, put notes and a textbook under the pillow for the night. In fact, it is a “belebah”, but really a good psychological smoprogramming.
                  Especially accultuous from the side look "slander." For example, "I'm not going the wolf is coming, the wolf will gobble up everyone"!
                  My friend in 1997, before the third last attempt to surrender "sopromat", converted to Islam, you won’t believe he passed it and got drunk on "siu-si" the same, so we searched for him for three days. When we found him, he told us about the "little devils"!
    2. Curious
      Curious 15 January 2018 15: 10
      +4
      Dear merlin! I realized that this is beyond the comprehension of the individual. Fertile object for adherents of all sorts of totalitarian sects. It was not by chance that I hinted to him about the confessor.
      1. marline
        marline 15 January 2018 15: 34
        +3
        Quote: Curious
        Dear merlin! I realized that this is beyond the comprehension of the individual. A fertile object for adherents of all sorts of totalitarian sects. It was not by chance that I hinted to him about the confessor.

        I agree with you, Victor. But it was still worth a try.
      2. kalibr
        15 January 2018 17: 42
        +3
        By the way, Russia ranks first in the world in the number of totalitarian sects. I don’t remember who thought this and I can’t affirm 100% the reliability of this, but there is such information on the Web.
        1. Cat
          Cat 15 January 2018 21: 08
          +4
          I myself will add that sects and sectarianism are the misfortune of modern Russia. Another trouble solved when the task of bribery and ordinary criminality is being set at the edge of the corner. With her, at least somehow you can fight.
          There is double trouble when sects and sectarians smell of politics, sometimes you give up. Since the thread winds outside the country or in the limits when there is no access.
  8. Streletskos
    Streletskos 15 January 2018 16: 09
    15
    Choir the fortuneteller Bogdanov
    You look - and apple trees will bloom on Mars
  9. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 15 January 2018 16: 46
    17
    It is interesting that V.I. Lenin read this novel.

    But I somehow somehow “Aelita” didn’t master
    Still, such a fiction for an amateur
    1. kalibr
      15 January 2018 17: 44
      +3
      All Aelita was written for the sake of one chapter, Aelita's Second Story. Tolstoy was an adherent of the Blavadsky and he really liked the idea of ​​Atlantis, well, he expressed all this in the form of a novel.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 15 January 2018 21: 23
        +3
        Tolstoy was an adherent of the Blavadsky and he really liked the idea of ​​Atlantis, well, he expressed all this in the form of a novel.

        according to Blavatsky, opinions differ. Personally, my graduate adviser advised me to read it. Some consider it "not quite that." what Oh, I would get to the Roerich estate! request
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 15 January 2018 21: 29
          +2
          Quote: Mikado
          Oh, I would get to the Roerich estate!

          Tolstoy’s estate has already been tortured to wait for you wink
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 15 January 2018 21: 38
            +3
            this is where the Germans spent only a month and a half, but they managed to blame them so much, schweinenWhat had to be restored? And here, Repin’s estate was restored after the war. You understand, in the 12th year he was traveling from Tver to Pereyaslavl, and he simply forced himself don't collapse to the estate of Mendeleev, it was necessary to go. How many more places to see! drinks I’ll find Marie-Louise, I’ll come! yes
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 15 January 2018 21: 50
              +3
              Quote: Mikado
              I’ll find Marie-Louise, I’ll come!

              This good without searching is enough yes drinks
              this is where the Germans spent only a month and a half, but they managed to blame them so much, schwein

              There still their cemetery was kilometer by kilometer, densely lay.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 15 January 2018 23: 12
                +2
                There still their cemetery was kilometer by kilometer, densely lay.

                like, some kind of well-known division of them was. I don’t remember who, at least kill. Either foreigners, or SS. Earth is glassy to them. soldier I won’t feel sorry for them, my great-grandfather died, and my grandfather fought. angry
                This good without searching is enough

                well don't tell me. I am an old soldier and do not know the words of love wink drinks
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 16 January 2018 00: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Mikado
                  Either foreigners, or SS.

                  Well Duc of course the 2nd Panzer Group (Colonel General G. Guderian) and the 2nd Field Army (Colonel General M. von Weichs). There it was mixed up like “logs” at the bathhouse belay
                  When I was still serving as a pioneer, they were dug out with tractors, ours in Bratsk, and theirs in the field ... I remember one aunt, I thought she was about 100 years old, I jumped over the tractor and leveled for 20 minutes. and ours were buried under "salvos" from the military registration and enlistment office where is the boot, where is the helmet, where is the piece overcoat, all in one grave, and then they put the Obelisk and lit the Eternal Flame.
                  so brother i'm right there the story repeat
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 21 January 2018 18: 05
          0
          My dad appreciated Blavatsky. She was really “out of her mind”.
          But it brought benefits, as the first who reported all wound up "Agni Yoga", etc.
          to the west. Gave a "trigger" to study, so to speak.
          But I look at humanity differently.
          Let's just say I'm more impressed by Yuval Harari
          "Sapiens. A Brief History of Humanity." Some kind of "total" theory of evolution.
          Read. The book is just written. Without cleverness and special terminology.
  10. Operator
    Operator 15 January 2018 17: 02
    +2
    If we filter out the surrounding circumstances (the political and scientific career of Malinovsky-Bogdanov), then the literary work "Red Star" refers to a fantastic genre in its kind - a forecast of the development of human society based on the example of a hypothetical society of aliens (a standard literary device - see, for example, " Gulliver’s Travels ").

    Malinovsky-Bogdanov as a writer proper (i.e., a professional in plot design, intrigue, characters, dialogues, and an owner of an extensive verbal stock) - intermediate and below average; as a forecaster, at the level of Jules Verne, adjusted for new scientific information at the beginning of the 20th century; as a sociologist, at the level of the Jewish idea of ​​the coming socialism / communism.

    The impossibility of communism was proved in practice back in the 16th century in Paraguay, where the European Jesuits built the first and last full-length communist society in the history of mankind (from every Jesuit according to ability, every Jesuit according to need), based on the widespread use of the work of Indian biorobots.
    After the successful construction of Paraguayan communism, it successfully bent because of complete non-competitiveness compared to capitalism, which, unlike the first, had internal incentives for self-development (competition, the pursuit of personal material well-being, the development of material culture as a means of victory in competition).
    Before Paraguay, incomplete communism was built in ancient Egypt - the rejection of money, private property, etc., but under communism only the upper echelons of society lived there: the pharaoh, priests and civil servants.
    All full and incomplete versions of communism (including the USSR) fell apart under the onslaught of non-communist self-developing formations. The law of nature, however.

    Communism is a material stagnation, the so-called spiritual self-development with the obligatory limitation of people's needs, egalitarianism, since material wealth with unlimited needs will never be enough for everyone at any arbitrarily high level of development of material culture.
    Communism has a mandatory requirement - all people / countries must live under communism, otherwise there will inevitably be a craving for leaving communism in non-communist countries without stagnation and with the continuous growth of material culture.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 15 January 2018 17: 25
      +7
      The last paragraph. Tolley, you squeezed from Rezun, either it is with you, or is it a wandering paragraph, a kind of Eternal J.id of anti-communism?
      1. Operator
        Operator 15 January 2018 18: 16
        +1
        "Either" is always written separately bully
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 16 January 2018 04: 03
          +2
          bully T9 bully Zlobesova bourgeois technique
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 15 January 2018 21: 32
        +4
        Quote: avva2012
        Tolley, you squeezed from Rezun, either it is with you, or is it a wandering paragraph, a kind of Eternal J.id of anti-communism?

        How did you become a Doctor surprisingly and wisely post, CLASS !!! My RESPECT TO YOU!
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 16 January 2018 04: 05
          +2
          Communication on the site with smart people. Seriously, without irony.