Three frigates of the 11356 project will be completed for the Russian Navy

The second three frigates of the 11356 project, the construction of which was idle due to the refusal of the Ukrainian enterprise Zoryamashproekt to supply power plants for them, will be completed with Russian engines, and the Russian Navy will determine their future duty station, told reporters on Thursday Yuri Borisov.

They are laid down and now in varying degrees of readiness, their construction was hindered precisely because of the absence of power plants, but now nothing hinders their construction. Where they go - the fleet will decide

- said Y. Borisov on Thursday during his visit to the "JDC-Saturn".

The Baltic shipyard Yantar under two contracts with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was to build six frigates of project 11356 for the Black Sea fleet. Three of them were built and transferred to the fleet, two more buildings are in different stages of construction. Due to the lack of power plants for them, the question of their completion in the interests of the Indian Navy was considered.

The 11356 frigates of the project are equipped with the Caliber-NK shipborne missile system with the 3М-54ТE high-precision cruise missile, the Shtil-1 multichannel anti-aircraft missile system, the Palash anti-aircraft missile and artillery complex. On ships, the combat information and control system “Requirement-M” is installed, which was developed and supplied by the NPO Meridian, which is part of the Morinformsystem-Agat concern.

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[Sharky]

will be completed with Russian engines

Well, who would doubt it? One of the news below perfectly complements this news.
And it’s really nice, because I'm from Kaliningrad.

[maxim947]

For a long time they thought however, but better so.

[NEXUS]

Quote: maxim947

For a long time they thought however, but better so.

Domestic gas turbines went into series, therefore, in the first place, they decided to finish off these three frigates. They will not be superfluous.

[maxim947]

This is understandable, it would be more correct at the very beginning of the current problem to make a statement that we ourselves will develop a gas turbine and these frigates will be commissioned by the Russian Navy, but with a delay. And here the topic was mocked, then the Indians are still somewhere ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: maxim947

And here the topic was mocked, then the Indians are still somewhere ...

Because we have such a mentality ... instead of taking care of domestic power plants for ships in 12-13, we bought them from Motor Sich, believing in the brotherhood of nations and a bright future ... and when in 13 the roasted rooster pecked, also did not really worry, until this same Motor Sich sent our shipbuilders on an interesting erotic journey far and for a long time. And then, purely in Russian, we began heroically import substitution, with shouts you give a five-year plan for three years.

[maxim947]

I agree, this is exactly what is happening.

[bagr69]

And where are they "Domestic gas turbines" ??? Where did they suddenly materialize?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: bagr69

Where did they suddenly materialize?

from the air - like everyone else !!

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: bagr69

And where are they "Domestic gas turbines" ??? Where did they suddenly materialize?

Bought from the Chinese, the Chinese have already unsubscribed in newspapers such as Russians are now arming, and they have contracted diesels for the Navy for positions where there is none of their own, where small series

[vovanpain]

Quote: NEXUS

. And then, purely in Russian, we began heroically import substitution, with shouts you give the five-year plan for three years.

Andrew Greetings Friend You’re a little wrong. Heroically import substitution at Saturn began in 2011, the foundation pit, the foundation was laid already in 2013, then in 2012 the 140th foundry was laid, the stand was frozen, since autumn 2015 GTU’s stand and prototypes were erected before April, now by the end of the year the 140th should be started up, but it all depends on finances, and they always sing romances.

[NEXUS]

Quote: vovanpain

and they sing romances as always.

Well, there is only a ghostly ray of hope that has come not only to our politicians, but also to the aligorhat, that if we continue to flirt with the West and wait for friendship and love, we are stupidly used as a girl with low social responsibility and then this is the most political and the economic elites of our country cannot see frivolous and satisfying life in the future, like their own ears.

[vovanpain]

Quote: NEXUS

Well, there’s only a ghostly ray of hope that has come not only to our politicians

It’s not that much politics to do with politics, and Andrey, I strongly doubt that Putin, after “gifts” to them, will run to the West after the presidency, Medvedev may even be accepted (but such fish and meat are not needed there either) But

Quote: NEXUS

but even to the aligorhat that if we continue to flirt with the West and wait for friendship and love, we are stupidly used as a girl with low social responsibility, and then these same political and economic elites of our country will not see frivolous and satisfying life in the future, as our ears .

Andrei, I strongly doubt that they will return the capital in Russia, buy land and begin to improve it, they will soon squeeze out all the juices, and then they will sell it for cheap and flee to Londonbad.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: vovanpain

Andrei, I strongly doubt that they will return the capital in Russia, buy land and begin to improve it, they will soon squeeze out all the juices, and then they will sell it for cheap and flee to Londonbad.

billionaires, not oligarchs !!

[kapitan92]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: vovanpain

and they sing romances as always.

Well, there is only a ghostly ray of hope that has come not only to our politicians, but also to the aligorhat, that if we continue to flirt with the West and wait for friendship and love, we are stupidly used as a girl with low social responsibility and then this is the most political and the economic elites of our country cannot see frivolous and satisfying life in the future, like their own ears.

Very much I doubt that it has reached politicians and oligarchs! As long as there is a liberal coalition, read the gang, nothing will change in the economic development of our country in the government, the Ministry of Finance, the central bank, "pouring water" to the mill of the US Federal Reserve. (IMHO)

[NEXUS]

Quote: kapitan92

Very much I doubt that it has reached politicians and oligarchs! As long as there is a liberal coalition, read the gang, nothing will change in the economic development of our country in the government, the Ministry of Finance, the central bank, "pouring water" to the mill of the US Federal Reserve. (IMHO)

This year will show whether it has come or not ... For a quarter of a century, ordinary citizens of the country have understood how our Father, that it’s more expensive to flirt with the West, but it comes to politicians and aligarhats very tightly. But the aligarchs clutched at the mineral resources of the country with a dead grip, and the West doesn’t like it. And then a conflict of interests arises. And therefore, I believe, on the basis of this, I do not want it; the aligarhat will have to defend ours.

[kapitan92]

Quote: NEXUS

This year will show whether it has come or not ... For a quarter of a century, ordinary citizens of the country have understood how our Father, that it’s more expensive to flirt with the West

Andrei! Ordinary citizens did not forget this.

Quote: NEXUS

But the aligarchs clutched at the mineral resources of the country with deadly grasp, but to the West it’s not to their liking

And why does the West not like it? It suits them! In the USSR, it all belonged to the state, there was no export of capital to offshore companies, taxes were paid to the budget. The West is quite happy with the current situation.

Quote: NEXUS

This year will show whether it has reached or not ..

I agree! Only not a year, but the Kremlin’s policy for the term of the last reign of the Guarantor.

Quote: NEXUS

And here there is a conflict of interests of selfish ones. And therefore, I believe, on the basis of this, I do not want it; the aligarhat will have to defend ours.

There will be no conflicts of interest while the corrupt Western clan of liberals is in power. Who distributes, he has, and distributes the Ministry of Finance, "Siluanov" and other evil spirits. The same Siluanovs will create such conditions for the return of capital from offshore that the Russian budget will still have to them.
The main task is to remove this "liberal trash" from the government !!!
Wait and see!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: kapitan92

The main task is to remove this "liberal trash" from the government !!!

They have a guarantor.

[vovanpain]

Quote: NEXUS

This year will show whether it has come or not ... For a quarter of a century, ordinary citizens of the country have understood how our Father, that it’s more expensive to flirt with the West, but it comes to politicians and aligarhats very tight

I agree We’ll see after February for whom the Motherland is the mother, and for whom the means for stuffing your pocket.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: vovanpain

We’ll see after February for whom the Motherland is the mother, and for whom the means for stuffing your pocket.

Gee-gee For you and I, Comrade, Motherland is Mother, and for these, a cow is a cash cow.

[Antares]

Quote: NEXUS

domestic power plants for ships, we bought them from Motor Sich,

confused with ZMP. MS is helicopter and aircraft. Zaporizhia
Ships in Nikolaev. Zorya (even the article has a name)

[gerkost2012]

Fried rooster pecked the Russian military-industrial complex and engineering in general in the Russian Federation as far back as 2004, in the first Maidan and the subsequent coming to the presidency of bjolovod Yushchenko. Since then, it was necessary to include speed in import substitution, especially from UA. Since that time, the UAshka began to be actively turned into a western bridgehead against Russia. But it’s better to do it late than never. By the way, you can’t appoint scoundrels and stealing second-hand officials like Zurabov to ambassadorial diplomatic points. After all, it was he who, with his assurances that everything in Ukraine was under the control of the government and Yanukovych, allegedly had no problems with the Maidan opposition, completely failed the entire already very ineffective Russian policy in Ukraine. However, the lesson seems to have gone to good.

[73bor]

Yes, it was immediately clear that if the Hindus buy these ships for nothing, that’s the whole story and I am very glad that our "wretched managers" miscalculated!

[Igor V]

Quote: 73bor

Yes, it was immediately clear that if the Hindus buy these ships for nothing, that’s the whole story and I am very glad that our "wretched managers" miscalculated!

Why is it clear? They already bought three similar frigates, and six of these, but with different weapons, were laid on the proceeds.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

Domestic gas turbines went into series, therefore, in the first place, they decided to finish off these three frigates.

So, all the same, to finish or finish? If you saw it, then the facts in the studio.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

So to finish or build? If you saw it, then the facts in the studio.

If they will build, like Ivan Gren, then DROP. Let’s see if they will move the deadlines or surrender quickly, without waiting for peretonit.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Piramidon

So to finish or build? If you saw it, then the facts in the studio.

If they will build, like Ivan Gren, then DROP. Let’s see if they will move the deadlines or surrender quickly, without waiting for peretonit.

But doesn’t it bother you that the concept of “cutting” funds and the transfer of change for objective reasons are somewhat different concepts?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

But doesn’t it bother you that the concept of “cutting” funds and the transfer of change for objective reasons are somewhat different concepts?

No, why? Yes, because the postponement of dates in our country is a very fertile ground for bureaucrats of different missions to bite off their allocated money. You recall how much state money was stolen from the construction of the Vostochny spaceport? Or do you naively believe that the same modernization of Nakhimov does not feed a whole horde of bureaucrats? TARK modernization planned for 8 years! It was built from scratch for 5 years.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Piramidon

But doesn’t it bother you that the concept of “cutting” funds and the transfer of change for objective reasons are somewhat different concepts?

No, why? Yes, because the postponement of dates in our country is a very fertile ground for bureaucrats of different missions to bite off their allocated money. You recall how much state money was stolen from the construction of the Vostochny spaceport? Or do you naively believe that the same modernization of Nakhimov does not feed a whole horde of bureaucrats? TARK modernization planned for 8 years! It was built from scratch for 5 years.

These are all your assumptions, conclusions and fantasies. Do you have any specific facts CUT precisely for these frigates?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Piramidon

These are all your assumptions and conclusions. Do you have specific facts about the sawing of these frigates?

Seriously? The theft of 20% of budget money during the construction of the East was voiced by both Garant and Rogozin, and this is 5 of the 25 allocated.
About the frigates ... I wrote in black in Russian,

Quote: NEXUS

Let’s see if they will move the deadlines or surrender quickly, without waiting for peretonit.

[Uralean]

Stop whining .. USE MISSED ... We already heard that .. And the closer the presidential election, the more strongly these Gundos-type “analytical” articles will begin .. No matter how you like. and thousands of factories are working in pursuance of decisions of the government of the country, to release a full series of planned ships ... And this is on their own .. And here all the design bureaus, and weapons factories, and engine-building plants are tied. from metallurgical, electronic, armament factories, wire factories, and computer technology .. Hundreds of Russian factories are working to implement the country's tasks .. Hundreds of thousands of jobs ... And here we are fed up, we've lost, we can’t do anything. We can and will have a fleet, and missile new complexes, and kompleks. and the construction of roads, bridges, the development of the Arctic, Cosmos- and all this at the same time .. Here. what is modern Russia ..))

[seti]

Dates just have not been named. Apparently the sale of two of them to India did not work out. And thank God. Black Sea Fleet is waiting for you.

[vlad66]

Quote: seti

Apparently the sale of two of them to India did not work out.

The Hindus, with their Wishlist and whims, have already bewildered the whole world.

[Alex777]

The Indians have their own problems - where to get money for their Wishlist ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: maxim947

For a long time they thought however, but better so.

did not think, and the engines were waiting !!

[Sharky]

Here they are at the beginning of construction from the opposite angle (if I'm not mistaken).

[Chertt]

Quote: Sharky

One news below perfectly complements this news.

Of course, God forbid, but this is the third or fourth week, diametrically opposite to all the other statements. And the week is not over yet

[210ox]

In connection with the news on the serial production of gas turbines, we will hope for completion

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: 210ox

let's hope for completion

In any case, we will not lose hope for sure. You yourself know how it happens with us: they start for health, but finish ...

[210ox]

pasha It happens differently. But with the fleet we have a little better than with space ..

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: 210ox

let's hope for completion

In any case, we will not lose hope for sure. You yourself know how it happens with us: they start for health, but finish ...

[bouncyhunter]

Dima, there are enough sore spots. But this does not mean that you need to yell "fsopropalo!" , and that there is something to work on and it is clear in which direction. Do you remember how in the film "DMB" wild ensign said: "Many people seek a goal in life, but in the army it is designated a target. Yes, not everyone falls, but it is clear what to strive for." .

[iliitchitch]

Quote: 210ox

It happens differently. But with the fleet we have a little better than with space ..

Yes, satellites are constantly launched under water .. We have to rake this stable of the 90s for a very long time, work for decades.

[MstislavHrabr]

The main thing is that after the election this news does not change to the opposite ...

[g1v2]

Another portion of boltology from Borisov. Whether they will be completed for themselves or for the Indians will be decided by the political leadership with representatives of the military-industrial complex. Apparently there is no final decision. What is the point of pouring from empty to empty?

[Bellum omnium contra omnes]

And then we will have nothing to discuss here Laughter through tears.......

[dvina71]

Quote: g1v2

Another portion of boltology from Borisov

And who are you with such authority? It’s easy to calculate the boltology .. at the deputy municipality ..

[kepmor]

so he himself more than once gave occasion for this ... as they say: my tongue is my enemy ...

[allaykbar]

he would make ships himself - would be in the know. what was reported to him, he voiced. And what was reported a week later with adjustments - he also voiced.

Not two people are doing this. And not even 100. Anything can happen. Force majeure he is.

Now some of the thousands of contractors will slack with a deadline - there will be another statement.

You also think about the cause, and not discuss the consequence, angrily.

If everything depended only on “I want”, tomorrow our fleet would be replenished with an aircraft carrier. But everything rests on the realities and related work of different teams.

[Herculesic]

Now, if you yourself had made engines for the fleet about 10 years ago, not only these frigates and corvettes were there. It is possible that they would have had their helicopter carriers! !!

[Alexey-74]

Well, finally it was decided to leave these three frigates for our Navy .... Cheers comrades !!!!

[novel66]

three frigates, rhymes well
not enough
long
shitty ....

[Svarog51]

Here wait, Seryoga will get to you. A meeting with the lower frigate awaits you.

[Hadji Murat]

God forbid, there was a fear a year ago that they would give INDIA, BUT YOUR MOTIONS WERE DEVELOPED

[Hadji Murat]

Name b / n Shipyard Head. No. Laid down Launched In service Fleet Approx.
Admiral Grigorovich 745
494 Shipyard "Yantar" 01357 18.12.2010/14.03.2014/11.03.2016 26/XNUMX/XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Black Sea Fleet In service[XNUMX]
Admiral Essen 751
490 Shipyard "Yantar" 01358 08.07.2011/07.11.2014/07.06.2016 27/XNUMX/XNUMX XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX Black Sea Fleet In service[XNUMX]
Admiral Makarov 799 Shipyard "Yantar" 01359 29.02.2012 02.09.2015 27.12.2017 Black Sea Fleet
Admiral Butakov Shipyard "Yantar" 01360 12.07.2013/02.03.2016/2020 2021/XNUMX/XNUMX XNUMX−XNUMX Black Sea Fleet Launched
Admiral Istomin Shipyard "Yantar" 01361 15.11.2013/11.2017/30 2020/2021[XNUMX] XNUMX-XNUMX Black Sea Fleet Launched
Admiral Kornilov Shipyard "Yantar" 01362 12.2013 11.2017[30] 2020−2021 Black Sea Fleet Launched

[next322]

everything is beautiful, but where did the SPLASH Broadsword come from in 11356 ?? the impression is that for VO write articles copywriters site Agriculture and livestock

[yehat]

I'll tell you so - in about 5 years, a revolution will begin in a number of ship components
especially control systems, review, target designation and classification of goals, and everything that is floating in the United States or standing on a slipway without an engine will become not just not new, but morally obsolete.
what will change - finally the first very primitive, but neural interfaces will finally appear, a leap will be made in the management of electromagnetic fields and the associated protection capabilities. There will be other changes.
The Americans will not be able to print bucks, as before, and they will not be able to quickly carry out their rearmament. Their richest satellites have exhausted active opportunities except Germany. It will be a time of great change.
Therefore, I would advise you to quickly finish building and delivering the boats to the Indians and prepare for this jump, after having fired the kleptocrats from the financial bloc and choosing a president who will not think about finances, but about production.

[Alexander War]

Well, finish building them on the Black Sea Fleet! And lay new ones at Yantar pr 22356!

[xomaNN]

That's just let the fog into the malicious NON-DELIVERY Ukrainian .. n. "Zorya-mashproekt" PAID (?) GTU If there was an advance payment under the contract, and there have been no deliveries for 4 years, then where are the courts? fines, penalties? I remember how with the non-delivery of Mistrals by the Franks, hopes were returned to 3 Lard E. Returned, but less.
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In general, lawyers and chefs, who concludes such contracts, what responsibility do they bear for their LIABILITY in these cases?

[Alexander War]

Off-topic! A bit of economics

[senima56]

Every week, “new solutions” for these long-suffering frigates! They sell it to India, they sometimes sell it, then they sell it but only two out of three ... And here is the next "news"!

[Sergeant71]

The question is again in the timing of completion and transfer. Do we have at least one ship capable of completing more RTOs on time? Everywhere examples of the opposite. Recent characteristic cases are Makarov and Gren. As a result, ships begin to become obsolete even before the transfer of the Navy.

[Uralean]

What ? Outdated? Look at the US fleet, the most advanced .. These obsolete ships can carry the formidable power of the modern fleet for another two decades .. Do not scare us with scarecrows ... Damn analysts ...

[Aleksandr21]

Great news!!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

About the frigates ... I wrote in black in Russian,
Quote: NEXUS
Let’s see if they will move the deadlines or surrender quickly, without waiting for peretonit.

In how. Famously! Already pereobulsya and corrected? In your comment, it was precisely about the CUT, which initially upset me. But the story is saved.

Quote: NEXUS
Domestic gas turbines went into series, so in the first place they decided finish these three frigates.

[Sergeant71]

Quote: Alexey-74

Well, finally it was decided to leave these three frigates for our Navy .... Cheers comrades !!!!

For us, many years pass from the decision to the start of construction. If this is not pre-election boltology, then they will have to start actively completing construction in the coming months. Roughly speaking, no later than summer. If they don’t start, then ....

[Uralean]

Bullshit .. at an accelerated pace (as far as possible), new ships are being built ....

[The Siberian barber]

Hooray! Oh, how boats are needed! It’s clear that it’s not super-duper, but “what the rich are glad for!”

[kefan]

The good news is, let's hope that the long-awaited unfinished ships will quickly become part of the fleet.

[Sergeant71]

Quote: Ural

What ? Outdated? Look at the US fleet, the most advanced .. These obsolete ships can carry the formidable power of the modern fleet for another two decades .. Do not scare us with scarecrows ... Damn analysts ...

It’s better not to make comparisons between the US Navy and ours. This is not even a patriotic frenzy, but something more serious.

[Uralean]

And you laugh, laugh ... Many people now have such a position, having heard the western tales, about the power and invincibility of the US Navy .. And spit Russia .. The US fleet is really huge and bulky .. But that does not mean that he can compete in a battle with ours .. Our ships more than once wiped the nose of your favorite US ships .. Then the coastal defense ship pushed the United States Frigate with its hull, and it went into its waters .. That the United States destroyer shied away from Su 24, which fluttered its wings several times over he turned off the ship’s electronic warfare. Even 2 US carrier groups of North Korea were threatened, and when the Koreans launched 2 missiles, these groups quietly dumped off the coast of Korea, and there are not a dozen such examples, up to a hundred reach, the brave US and NATO troops .. There they are they are still searching in the Baltic Sea, and in the English Channel, our hidden submarines .. And they were terrified all at once when our boats from the Caspian Sea put their missiles in Syria near Der Ez-Zor

[egor1712]

Good news. These ships are needed, oh, how they are needed. And the fact that for a long time ... Well, here, as it should be with us ... For a long time we harness, for that we drive fast

[Nemesis]

The good news ... Frigates 11356 need to be completed for Russia and continue the construction of frigates of this type ... 11356 is the only, fully operational, type of modern multi-purpose frigate in the Russian Federation.

[Rockerman]

But what about the fact that for the installation of Saturn's gas turbines it will be necessary to completely rebuild the central part of 11356 buildings? And this is a very expensive pleasure, at the cost of the order to build a new 22350 from scratch. Is the sheepskin worth the candle?

[Uralean]

That is, the issue with India is removed. Although not a fact, by the way, that she generally would have taken these ships. Despite, as they say, on ...

But there is another key word: "now." Because it is now that the ODK-Saturn Rybinsk enterprise has completed state tests and launched the production of three types of gas turbine marine engines. These are M90FR power plants with a capacity of 27 horsepower, Aggregate-DKVP (500 hp) and M10FRU (000 hp). We will not analyze their comparative advantages, but we can say that these engines are completely modern, are made with a margin and are promising and are designed for a very wide range of ships - from hovercraft and boats to corvettes and frigates.

However, a couple of details can be called. It is already clear that the efficiency and resource of new Russian turbines will surpass Ukrainian ones by 10-15%. To be precise, the efficiency of Saturn engines will be at 36% versus 32% of Nikolaev units. And experts know that even one percent at this level means a real technological breakthrough. Especially if you know that the efficiency of gas turbine engines is generally limited to 38 - 40%.

This was achieved due to new technological solutions, in particular, the use of cobalt alloys, which in itself for those who are guided in the subject sounds very impressive.

It is important at the same time that not only project 11356, but also project 22350, that is, multi-purpose frigates of the far sea zone, will be equipped with new engines. It’s also the “admiral” series, but only the ships there will be named after the names of Russian admirals from the Soviet era - Gorshkov, Kasatonov, Golovko, Isakov and so on - only 8 ships.

Thus, Russia's dependence on supplies of Ukrainian marine engines has finally been overcome. And in due time, three more “admirals” will replenish the Black Sea Fleet, carrying on board Caliber-NK missile systems with 3M-54TE cruise missiles, Shtil-1 multichannel anti-aircraft missile systems, and the Palash anti-aircraft and artillery systems different other modern and powerful weapons - to the glory of us and the fear of enemies.

[Uralean]

Quote: novel xnumx

three frigates, rhymes well
not enough
long
shitty ....

What a quick one ... Or maybe you’ll show yourself as quickly, a bit too much, excellent? Everyone can exercise their language here .. Reality - it is more pragmatic than pink dreams.