Syrian fighters destroyed the "ultra-protected" T-72 from ATGM "Metis M"

During the fighting in Haraste (Damascus province), the fighters of the government forces managed to destroy the T-72 militants of the anti-government group Ahrar al-Sham. For this, a Russian-made portable anti-tank complex Metis M was used, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

Один из tanks armed opposition.

There would be nothing unusual in this fact if it were not for the target itself. We are talking about a tank, which was significantly enhanced protection, writes the author of the material Leo Romanov.

“The fact is that in the composition of the government forces for a long time" seventy-two war ", which received the name of" overprotected ", have been fighting. They installed boxes with gravel and protivokumulyativnye lattice screens. It would seem that it is not too complicated and, at the same time, costly modernization, but it has allowed to significantly reduce losses, ”he recalls.

Imitating the tankers of the government army, the militants tried to create something similar. However, they apparently did not take into account something. As a result, their version of the "T-72 T-X" burned down in Haraste.

Comments

[Chertt]

I don’t know if this is good or bad news. And the T-72 tank of Russian production, and our Metis-M

[Muvka]

Good one. The Americans have our uranium, which Yeltsin sold to the Americans. But if he begins to return to our homeland (in rockets) - this is bad news. Just an analogy to you)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Muvka

The Americans have our uranium, which Yeltsin sold to the Americans. But if he begins to return to our homeland (in rockets) - this is bad news.

Hehe hehe ... actually, "weapons uranium sale"(diluted - that is, depleted) or the" HEU-LEU Agreement "is now considered one of the victories of our diplomacy. Because in the long run this deal has caused enormous damage to the American nuclear industry, killing all plans for upgrading enrichment plants with the transition centrifuges and turning the American MCC into uncompetitive American efficient managers, delighted with free uranium cheese, with their own hands actually destroyed the enrichment link of the nuclear production chain materials.
The USSR already delivered a nuclear strike from the grave at the US atomic industry.

[Anyone]

The logic of your message is something like this:
1. Sell, for example, a house for 2% of its real value
2. Wait until the new owner settles in it
3. To declare that now this owner will never learn to build houses himself, since he has a house
4. Declare that this is undoubted PROFIT for the former owner


PS You have a suitable avatar))

[Wedmak]

In fact, the logic is just straightforward. Uranus is not a home. And not a car. This is a consumable resource. Like gas for your car. So the analogy should be as follows:
1. You sell gasoline to a neighboring country at a low price.
2. The neighbor is happy and happy ... but counting on a calculator, he decides to cut his oil refining programs into gasoline and accordingly sell refineries / cut people / not develop technology because it’s cheaper to buy a finished product.
3. At some point, gasoline jumps in price, making it become profitable only with the latest technology.
4. You have these technologies, your neighbor doesn’t.
5. Profit.

[Anyone]

Have you seriously decided to oppose my post, which 100% consisted of an optional companion to bring sarcasm to the fighting stance? )) Please ... Let there be gasoline.
1. You sell gasoline to a neighboring country at a low price.
2. The neighbor is happy and happy ... but counting on a calculator, he decides to cut his oil refining programs into gasoline and accordingly sell refineries / cut people / not develop technology because it’s cheaper to buy a finished product.
3. You, having removed a large volume of gasoline from your market, significantly increased its price, which affected the cost of transportation / product price / caused stagnation of your own auto industry / reduced the mobility of the population / increased the cost of air transportation and the closure of the network of unprofitable flights / due to closure unprofitable flights "died" the production of regional aircraft / money received from gasoline went back to the USA, where they were exchanged for American debt or bought yachts / houses / land / etc beneficiaries on them ares of the deal ...

Need to continue? I mean, it’s good that it would be realistic to calculate in total the pros and cons of the deal brought to Russia and the USA in the long and short term, and only then, using the thesaurus of our non-brothers, declare changes.

[Wedmak]

Still, it was an analogy. The fact was that initially uranium was highly enriched for military use. And he was "diluted" for American money, and he was sold to him. And here there are nuances that cannot be explained by analogy:
1. Uranium is decaying. Nuclear ammunition does not last forever and become unusable, they must be disassembled, repaired, "charged" with newly acquired uranium + transportation + storage of highly radioactive substances. And there was no money at that time. But you need to do something with the "old" warheads.
2. Uranium mining technologies must be developed, otherwise its enrichment from ore will cost more and more. But there is no money.
You smoke! The agreement, money from the United States, we combat militant uranium to peaceful, we sell at nuclear power plants. In parallel with the proceeds, we are developing new centrifuges, other related technologies and building a new plant. Uranium in Russia heaps. Profit

At that time, the United States tried to launch its centrifuges, but the stone flower didn’t come out, although they killed a couple of wagons. They had their own enrichment technology, but it was lower in efficiency and higher in energy intensity even at that time. And figs with him, they said, and bought ready-made in Russia, having received fuel for their nuclear power plants.
It was hard to say what they thought then, but rather the goal was different - to decommission as much “combat” uranium as possible in Russia, thereby reducing the potential of the Strategic Missile Forces.
As a result, the cunning plans of the United States, winning in the short term, turned into a fail for them after decades.

[Anyone]

These are all idle conjectures. I’m never a specialist who has all the complete information and methods by which I can evaluate the preferences of the parties in this transaction. You seem to be too. You have too many assumptions in the text. For example, you, as an introductory note, indicate that the money from the transaction went to Russia to develop the industry. Where does this infa come from? Maybe their conditional Chubais poked. Or maybe they built a road in Vladivostok ... In short, do not be like the Khokhlov, who each praise their bunch as a great victory over Muscovites. We also began to resort to such rhetoric in relation to the United States.
P.S. This deal was between the winner and the vanquished. As you know, the USSR would rather cut off a Faberge than sell the United States at least a milligram of plutonium. But you can do a good face. If you want, of course.

[Wedmak]

You seem to be too. You have too many assumptions in the text.

Of course a lot. But I apparently more closely follow the news in this area.

In short, do not be like Khokhlov

So, in contrast to them, I rely on facts. And these are really working factories with thousands of centrifuges HZ-9 9 + generation (as they are expressed). And Russia also occupies 40% of the uranium enrichment market.
Source: https://politexpert.net/25580-liderstvo-rosatoma-
tvel-zapustil-noveishie-centrifugi-po-obogashchen
iyu-urana

As you know, the USSR would rather cut off a Faberge than sell at least a milligram of plutonium to the United States.

As I understand it, you’ll be surprised right now - TVEL recently signed a contract for the pilot operation of our nuclear fuel in the United States. And TVEL already has square-shaped fuel assemblies, they are delivered to Europe, nothing else needs to be invented. 35 reactors in the US, the market is more than serious.

[Anyone]

1. Listen, you are completely off topic. I have never expressed doubts about the development of domestic technologies for the extraction and enrichment of uranium - it was such even in the USSR. I just expressed, to put it mildly, doubt in connection with your statement about the allegedly unprecedented profitability of the HEU-LEU transaction for Russia and the supposedly technological breakthrough that this transaction entailed. This is pure pulling an owl on a globe. Moreover, the globe in this case is the life size of the Earth, and the owl is a dwarf one. You generally forgot obviously what a HEU-LEU agreement is. I recall the officially announced joint wording: "the most significant international treaty in the field of disarmament." Whose disarmament, I think, is clear to everyone.
2. Do you know that the cost of 1 kg of uranium mined in Russia is on average 2,5 times higher than global? Something about 50 dollars was 10 years ago, if I remember correctly. Now, perhaps even more expensive. And we sold uranium in the USA for 25 bucks ... At the same time, our uranium reserves are finite - 500 thousand tons.
3. The nuclear energy market today is in a deep ass. Subtract Japan, most of the industrialized countries of Western Europe, as well as former potential customers who have already abandoned the development of nuclear power plant construction programs. With such market stagnation, it is possible that soon we will be able to enrich uranium for the USA in our centrifuges very cheaply (just to not stand idle) so that the Yankees do not spoil our ecology. You can also store their nuclear "tails" and other waste. For this, the Americans will still throw us cut paper. Profit, definitely.

[Wedmak]

You are completely off topic.

Nothing like this. Perhaps he didn’t explain my position correctly. We carefully read Wiki:
"Russia has committed to supply low enriched uranium to the USA for 20 years (before 2013 years) (with U-235 isotope enrichment less than 20%, actually in the range from 3,2 - 4,9%), obtained from 500 tons of highly enriched uranium (with U-235 isotope enrichment of at least 90%), and the American side - to accept, place on the market, pay for the separation work and the natural uranium component KNOW. The first delivery of LEU to the USA took place in May 1995, and in 2000 the program reached the average annual level of supply of LEU obtained from 30 tons of HEU. "

And we sold uranium in the USA by 25 bucks

What kind of 25 bucks are we talking about?
“The contract provided for two parts of the payment: for equivalent natural uranium and for equivalent separation work. In total under the contract 500 tons were processed HEU in LEU enriched with 4,4%, which is equivalent to ~ 92 millions of units of separation work. There was an annual review of the price of the SWU with an initial price of 82 USD. Subsequently, the price of SWU rose slightly "
(after all, 500 weapons-grade uranium)
Next:
"By the end of 2013, the volume of concluded contracts for the supply of LEU with energy companies from the USA reached $ 11,5 billion. Of these, $ 5,5 billion with owners of nuclear power plants and $ 6 billion with USEC [34]. The issues of supplying finished TVELs are being worked out."
Effects:
"In accordance with the HEU-LEU agreement in the 1990-2000-ies, the United States committed to buy Russian uranium. In the United States, this resulted in a halt in the development of uranium isotope separation technologies at the 1991 level of the year [36]. The United States uses a low-efficiency gas diffusion method isotope separation, and Russia uses several times more efficient centrifuges.The HEU-LEU agreement has led the United States to lag behind uranium enrichment technologies, after which the United States will be forced to dilute its weapons-grade uranium and build enrichment factories and purchase uranium at market prices "
We go further.

The nuclear energy market today is in a deep ass.

Seriously? 8 power units are under construction in Russia, and a foreign order is already 34 units !!! Well, yes, the crisis, yeah ... Those countries that abandoned the nuclear power plant did this completely not voluntarily, but under pressure from the same EU. And now they are buying electricity from .. EU. A vivid example, Latvia. She turned off almost the new nuclear power plant, which she got from the USSR for free!!! Independence zhezh ... Now buys the very electricity that could sell. Geniuses ...

At the moment, no one a source of electricity as cheap and generated in such volumes as from a nuclear power plant. We just have nowhere to go.

You can also store their nuclear "tails" and other waste.

In general, Russia, building nuclear power plant reactors, enters into contracts for the export of spent nuclear fuel. Full service for the customer.
But there is a small detail - Russia has completed the development of a closed nuclear cycle. The BN-600 reactor proved the possibility of this cycle, and the BN-800 was put into operation quite recently, in pilot production. These same reactors operate on MOX fuel, in fact, spent fuel from conventional reactors, bringing the use of uranium to 50% and a prize in the form of plutonium-239 which can be used in ... ordinary nuclear power plants. Bingo!

[Valery Saitov]

Infa from the wiki.
Implications for the US Nuclear Industry.
In accordance with the HEU-LEU agreement, in the 1990-2000s, the United States committed itself to buying Russian uranium. In the USA, the consequence of this was a halt in the development of uranium isotope separation technologies at the 1991 level. In the USA, a low-efficiency gas-diffusion isotope separation method is used, and in Russia several times more efficient centrifuges are used. The HEU-LEU agreement has led the United States to lag behind uranium enrichment technologies. After graduation, the United States will be forced to dilute its weapons-grade uranium, build enrichment plants, and purchase uranium at market prices.

[sabakina]

Anyone, would you have populated a plumber in your mythical house, would it smell in the smell? In your place, in that house, I would immediately populate an architect!

[Anyone]

I understand that you are asking for a position as a plumber or architect (underline what is necessary)? I'll think about it. Send resume on demand.

[sabakina]

I do not beg for it, I suggest. So far I only offer.

[Anyone]

Good. I take back my phrase "you beg for it." I change to "You honor me." Is that better, madam?

[Awaz]

I don’t know how about uranium enrichment, but rocket technology from the time of Von Braun, they managed to lose. Of course, I do not consider this a reason for some great joy, but this is more likely a mistake of the Americans.

[Monarchist]

Um out EBN amer obye **? It turns out that he brought at least minimal benefit

[Yuyuka]

Quote: Monarchist

Um out EBN amer obye **? It turns out that he brought at least minimal benefit

Yes, he is more likely finally - neither sleep nor spirit he was not up to it ... between the first and second ... I'm talking about an elected position and not only...

[Guru]

Yeltsin himself did not suspect that such an effect would turn out, but rather someone from the circle turned out to be more thoughtful.

[lieutenant colonel]

Absolutely right! Using the same technologies, industry in eastern Europe was destroyed.

[Rostislav]

Good, because it’s not weapons that are fighting, people are fighting.
In this case, the enemy was damaged.

[Serg koma]

They have them super "modernized"
And this is generally "Super Weapon of Victory"

[self-propelled]

Quote: Chertt

I don’t know if this is good or bad news. And the T-72 tank of Russian production, and our Metis-M

definitely good news - at least advertising PTRK. if a dig deeper, then thinking people understand - REMOVABLE combat unit DOES NOT EXIST in principle. there is combat training and training of the crew of the tank versus combat training and training in calculating anti-tank systems (in this case). as they say - frames decide everything

[Scoun]

Quote: Chertt

I don’t know if this is good or bad news. And the T-72 tank of Russian production, and our Metis-M

The article is a plus, and this is the most negative.
PS, minus removed by mardurators))

[Prisoner]

I recalled the phrase of one businessman from the series "Special Forces" - he always beat his own well.

[Azbuka zvuka]

Metis has a different set of shells. We have all the shells at our disposal, and not all of them are exported, so there is nothing surprising.

[Alexander 3]

Well, as in Taras Bulba (I gave birth to you and I will kill you)

[novel66]

from the essays: “the more I gave birth to you, the more I will kill you,” said Taras Bulba and moved three meters away

[cannabis]

Do you remember last year? Nice ..... I regret that I did not record while I served. So many jokes!

[novel66]

and the hard drive? not recorded?

[novel66]

Well, something like, I hope, no offense?

[_Ugene_]

It’s convenient - our tanks and tanks, for any result, there will be something to praise (or scolding, to whom).

[Maz]

Grandfather metis slammed protected t72? And it seems he slammed into the tower, in the upper projection. Through the bars. Ah yes grandpa!

[Herculesic]

If the tank was Abrams, for example, I would be glad! !! And so the good car fell into the hands of bastards had to be burned!

[bouncyhunter]

Vitalyevich, hello! In fairness, I note that Soviet / Russian weapons are fighting on both sides, and not only goat-uncles are fighting on both sides.

[Herculesic]

Paul and you don’t get sick! And the tank, humanly sorry, the bastards fought on it against the people!

[bouncyhunter]

As long as there are sponsors, such offspring will not be translated not only in Syria.

[Pacifist]

Judging by what I see in the photo, this is profanity. When creating and installing anti-cumulative screens, everything must be taken into account, including overall dimensions, geometry of the plate elements, distances between the plates and stiffeners. And here they simply collected from the pipes. This will only work if you're lucky.

[Russia]

Who is the first, if the tank fired, we would not have sorted this article.

[dog breeder]

Quote: Chertt

I don’t know if this is good or bad news. And the T-72 tank of Russian production, and our Metis-M

Need analysis. Guessing is for the couch. I hope someone is already doing this.

[Maz]

Quote: Chertt

I don’t know if this is good or bad news. And the T-72 tank of Russian production, and our Metis-M

It’s good until these two are fighting on Russian soil ... In addition, we will distribute arsenals and thin out for new tanks and tanks

[cannabis]

“So he is very formidable in appearance, but deaf and blind in fact. - That's blind. You lie in a ditch, and in the heart of a loom: Suddenly he’s crushed as if by a tear, because he doesn’t see a damn thing.” Twardowski. Again this obsessive thought came: “Tanks degenerate like dinosaurs.” Not so - "Tanks will die all at once, like mammoths."

[Incvizitor]

An interesting "opposition", which pushes its (Fshat) "candidacy" with tanks

[BAI]

We are talking about a tank, which was significantly enhanced protection, writes the author of the material Lev Romanov.

So, in the factory conditions, professional designers could not improve, and the gangs, which, for a start, do not have the corresponding production capacities, were able to "significantly strengthen the protection" and, as I understand it, at minimal cost?

[Dali]

Quote: BAI

We are talking about a tank, which was significantly enhanced protection, writes the author of the material Lev Romanov.

So, in the factory conditions, professional designers could not improve, and the gangs, which, for a start, do not have the corresponding production capacities, were able to "significantly strengthen the protection" and, as I understand it, at minimal cost?

And carefully, if you read ...

“The fact is that in the composition of the government forces for a long time" seventy-two war ", which received the name of" overprotected ", have been fighting. They installed boxes with gravel and protivokumulyativnye lattice screens. It would seem that it is not too complicated and, at the same time, costly modernization, but it has allowed to significantly reduce losses, ”he recalls.

But the gangs did just that:

Imitating the tankers of the government army, the militants tried to create something similar. However, they apparently did not take into account something. As a result, their version of the "T-72 T-X" burned down in Haraste.

[Anyone]

Quote: Wedmak

Nothing like this...

WedmakUnfortunately, I do not now have the opportunity to respond in detail to the lack of time. I will answer a little later. Excuse me.

[MoJloT]

10 minutes ago, who does not understand our drone

Scene Al-Latamina, Idlib

[MoJloT]

In the area of ​​Atshan, Idlib an outpost was shot down 15 minutes ago.

[Dzafdet]

Damn, you’ve been hacked. Recently, a scandal in the United States was that there was not enough money for a nuclear weapons reprocessing plant. And we are already approaching the fusion ... No need to panic ..