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Bulk and Saakashvili: so different outside, so similar inside

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Bulk and Saakashvili: so different outside, so similar inside



During the press conference, answering a question from TV presenter Ksenia Sobchak about the competition in elections, Russian President Vladimir Putin said: “Regarding the characters you mentioned ... Do you want us, like in Ukraine, to run along the streets such as Saakashvili? Those whom you named are Saakashvili only in the Russian edition. Do you want them to destabilize the situation in the country? I am sure that absolutely the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens do not want and will not allow it. " I’m sure everyone guesses what character is being said: this is Navalny "our dear" ... although he is, of course, more expensive to America than to us.

At first glance it may seem that the similarity of these politicians is very exaggerated. Georgian and Russian, the difference in age is almost ten years, one former president and governor, the second maximum of which was able to achieve once - this is second place in the election of the mayor of Moscow in 2013, and has never been allowed to become a presidential candidate. But despite all this, the similarities between Navalny and Saakashvili really exist, and it is difficult to argue with that.

The first and most important thing is their goals: Saakashvili is working on a change of power in Ukraine, Navalny is working on organizing a state coup in Russia. The second: one office pays for the works of both - the US State Department.

Twitter user Philip Maslovsky very correctly noticed by writing on his page that, "according to America, there are many countries in the world in need of a bloody civil war, and the US Department of State has only one methodological guide on which" revolutions "are organized" . See for yourself:



Logos and attributes, as well as calls for actions and methods for their implementation - everything is really very similar. Both "revolutionaries" take people to the streets, try to sow discord, advocate fundamental changes and offer nothing in return. The difference is only in the degree of meanness, filth and cynicism, in which Navalny clearly surpassed his “colleague” Saakashvili, because he shamelessly relies on children.



But here, as they say, who on what studied ...

Returning to the topic of “one owner” of Navalny and Saakashvili, I cannot help adding one more fact:



The Security Service of Ukraine has at its disposal copies of diplomatic letters, transcripts of telephone conversations and other operational information indicating the intentions of US diplomats and international non-profit organizations to organize a number of mass protests in March and March in Russia and Ukraine to overthrow the current government.

Then the choice is up to each of you: to believe or not to believe in the corruptness and hatred of Navalny towards his own people and his own country, and Mr. Saakashvili towards Ukraine ...
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 January 2018 08: 40
    +8
    Only sucks will be for bulk, dog, etc. And the bones from the owner also pass to this sucks! angry
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 January 2018 09: 06
      10
      Navalny is working on a coup in Russia.

      And precisely for this, he is eager to participate in state elections as a candidate! Let this villain then be thrown into jail! Indeed, in Russia such extremist activity is criminally punishable. What is our power changing? That is, Putin can blame in words, but put to business - no?
      Comrades, cast your vote for a truly worthy candidate Grudinin. He with aliens such as Navalny will not linger.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 13 January 2018 10: 05
        +8
        I will vote for Grudinin, although there are questions to him. And about the characters. For Lech I generally keep silent, the provocator is still the same. About Mishka. Our "advanced" people say that he "raised" Georgia .. Or maybe he lowered it on the contrary. Yes, they attracted investments through the sale of everything that can be sold, land, enterprises. There is no more Georgian-Turkish and Zashtatnikovsky there. There is no Georgian.
        Quote: Stas157
        Navalny is working on a coup in Russia.

        And precisely for this, he is eager to participate in state elections as a candidate! Let this villain then be thrown into jail! Indeed, in Russia such extremist activity is criminally punishable. What is our power changing? That is, Putin can blame in words, but put to business - no?
        Comrades, cast your vote for a truly worthy candidate Grudinin. He with aliens such as Navalny will not linger.
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 13 January 2018 10: 39
          15
          Grudinin yesterday in the Central Election Commission as it was spinning in a pan, ask questions, get the answers you want to hear, but things will mostly disappoint you.
        2. woron333444
          woron333444 13 January 2018 10: 47
          +9
          But nothing that Grudinin support McFaul, Udaltsov and Echo of Moscow?
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 13 January 2018 12: 59
            +3
            For those named, nothing is normal. This is a project of their own owners, it is necessary to support.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 13 January 2018 14: 08
            +8
            Quote: woron333444
            But nothing that Grudinin support McFaul, Udaltsov and Echo of Moscow?

            proofs in the studio!
            but is it anything that gdp supports edrosnya and "cellists, such as rotenberg, freemanaf, cavalchukof and other timchenkooff? And it’s cool when the special company fso plays the workers from itself, then gas, then an uralvagonzavod, then some thread gathers on a kufne wassat
            1. The comment was deleted.
            2. pilot69
              pilot69 13 January 2018 17: 04
              +8
              I repeat (comments deleted): who cares who is who, what Grudinin, what Navalny or who else are the characters of one opera. The petty latifundist Grudinin (well, the petty - by the standards of Russia) "flesh from flesh, blood from blood" of the existing system. It will not be - it will be different. This is definitely not a "ray of sunshine in the dark kingdom."
              1. nickname7
                nickname7 17 January 2018 15: 56
                0
                Who cares who is who, that Grudinin, that Navalny

                There is a difference if you listen to and honor both, Bulk "flesh from flesh, blood from blood", the comprador and liberal system, and Grudinin is not, and that is the difference. Compradors have been in power for 20 years, let others try, it may turn out better.
                1. nickname7
                  nickname7 17 January 2018 15: 57
                  0
                  It seems black PR, against Grudinin, is gaining momentum
            3. woron333444
              woron333444 13 January 2018 18: 21
              +3
              Sling cutter
              The Left Front movement, led by opposition leader Sergei Udaltsov, supported the candidacy of Pavel Grudinin in the presidential election. This is stated on the official website of the movement. The regional branches of the movement are recommended to "join the work of the campaign headquarters of Grudinin together with the Communist Party and other allies." It is also planned to organize a campaign on behalf of the "Left Front" on the information resources of the movement.


              whom I am reminded of by “real patriots” jumping on social networks who squeal with delight at the fact that “Grudinin is a new face” and “Grudinin is a new elite (prime minister, successor, etc.).” Then I remembered. This is the position of Michael McFaul, who regarding the Grudinin stated the following:
              https://twitter.com/McFaul/status/944463797409914
              880
        3. bandabas
          bandabas 13 January 2018 18: 09
          +3
          And in the 95th I voted "against all." Yes Yes. There was such an item.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 13 January 2018 16: 27
        +8
        Quote: Stas157
        Comrades, cast your vote for a truly worthy candidate Grudinin

        And what is this comrade Grudinin worthy? That he is new? Chairman of the collective farm for president. Hooray comrades. I would like to know what forces are behind it, except for the screen, in the form of the Communist Party. Interesting dark horse.
        1. rice
          rice 13 January 2018 18: 25
          +6
          Quote: Orionvit
          Presidential collective farm chairman

          Well, we had a former combiner general secretary, is it really enough? what
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 14 January 2018 02: 59
            +3
            Quote: Rice
            Quote: Orionvit
            Presidential collective farm chairman

            Well, we had a former combiner general secretary, is it really enough? what

            I have nothing against combine harvesters and collective farm chairmen, but everyone must do his own thing. That's when the president comes from the special services, it’s somehow closer to the topic.
        2. SEER
          SEER 13 January 2018 20: 12
          +8
          Quote: Orionvit
          Hooray comrades. I would like to know what forces are behind him, except screen, in the form of the Communist Party. Interesting dark horse.
          he had already changed several screens as a prostitute.
          by the way, I live in 9km 250m (if it is by car and with all the small turns. in a straight line less than 4 km) from his state farm. I was there more than once, I bought his products, a couple of times personally and listened closely to him. communicated with its official and unofficial (well, those same 100% migrant workers) employees. I won’t vote for him ...
  2. Egoza
    Egoza 13 January 2018 09: 42
    +7
    Well, in Ukraine, there will definitely be something. This we are always ready, especially since they pay. But in Russia - it is necessary, oh, very carefully and neatly, most importantly, AT THE TIME to stop all attempts to organize something
  3. Rusland
    Rusland 13 January 2018 11: 32
    15
    Quote: woron333444
    But nothing that Grudinin support McFaul, Udaltsov and Echo of Moscow?

    Yes, at least hell is bald for them, but just not for GDP. And here is why Grudinin kept his accounts open with foreign banks until now, that’s the question. And do not say that this is a business and nothing personal, for many businessmen (farmers) things were covered with a copper basin in 2014. I mean that they all grew from the same bed and it’s not correct to make smooth and clean carrots from Grudinin. There is no strength to talk about Navalny, both he and those who owe him a head for a long time are disgusting ...
    1. Evdokim
      Evdokim 13 January 2018 16: 04
      +5
      Quote: Rusland
      There’s no strength to talk about Navalny,

      Not when I did not suffer bloodthirstiness, but Bulk characters like him
      wake up in me the old army experience in handling sheep, when the stew ends. hi
  4. Mestny
    Mestny 13 January 2018 12: 54
    +6
    Quote: 210ox
    I will vote for Grudinin, although there are questions to him.

    There are just no questions for him, everything is simple.
    Since the so-called the liberal opposition has completely discredited itself in the eyes of the vast majority of voters. and can no longer be a real lever to overthrow the current government - such a candidate was invented.
    It is as if from the Communists, since in society there are more than ever strong sympathies for the USSR in comparison of its social policy and the present situation with that in Russia.
    It is on these basic states of the minds of citizens that the authors of the new strategy are trying to play now.
    Their goal is still the same - the collapse and destruction of the country. That is why both Grudinin and any similar candidate are just a pawn, a means to achieve this goal.
    If you think about a specific person Grudinin, most likely nothing new can be said. Exactly the same person from the criminal business of the 90s, such as Chubais. The truth is a little less successful.
    But what can be said about him for sure - no "social state like the USSR" will build any Grudinin.
    Moreover, any slogans "for building the USSR" in the election campaign are, firstly, completely false, and secondly, destructive than liberal ideas because of their complete impracticability in the 2nd decade of the XNUMXst century.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 13 January 2018 13: 50
      +3
      OK, Grudinin is a project of the State Department. Your option?
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 13 January 2018 14: 59
        +7
        Putin.
        My version.
        At the same time, I understand perfectly well that this candidate will not lead the country to success. At best, what is happening now, we slide down smoothly and slowly.
        You offer to spit on all this. and jump right away.
        That's the only difference.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 13 January 2018 16: 38
          12
          Quote: Mestny
          In the best case, what is happening now, we smoothly and slowly slide down

          Dear, you forget that Russia is at war, and on all fronts. And this war, the West declared Russia openly. And as history shows, in the war there is no improvement in the economic situation, except of course the military-industrial complex. And the fact that Putin for the whole West is a terrible bugbear is the best confirmation that at the moment, in Russia, there is no one more worthy. They will now say that domestic politics is lame, and you try to fix something, when before him, for ten years the country was simply destroyed. People have a short memory, they quickly forgot the 90s.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 56
            +3
            I completely agree with you - at the moment there is no one better.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 14 January 2018 06: 41
            +6
            Quote: Orionvit
            that Russia is at war, and on all fronts
            Hm, right? We conduct only a limited military operation in Syria. Sanctions and other pooping are not synonymous with war. In the end, the USSR was also all the way under sanctions.
            Quote: Orionvit
            in the war, as it is, there is no improvement in the economic situation, except of course the military-industrial complex.
            The example of the USSR proves the opposite.
            Quote: Orionvit
            Putin for the West is a terrible bugbear
            The fact that Putin is demonized by the Western media and some not-so-clever Western politicians to divert eyes does not mean that he does not like the West. I didn’t remove the oligarchic leadership, I didn’t stop investing in Western assets, I built Russia into the WTO, etc. etc.
            Quote: Orionvit
            and you try to fix something, when before him, for ten years the country was simply destroyed.
            He was already 18 years old. Do you really think that now he will resolve everything in 6 years ?!
            Quote: Orionvit
            People have a short memory, they quickly forgot the 90s.
            Your memory is too long. It seems that in 2050 you will remember the 90s.
          3. bald
            bald 14 January 2018 06: 58
            0
            Clearly, clearly and specifically - I didn’t take it from the ceiling, it really is - thanks.
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 13 January 2018 16: 44
          +5
          Quote: Mestny
          At the same time, I understand perfectly well that this candidate will not lead the country to success. At best, what is happening now, we slide down smoothly and slowly.

          And 6 years of empty promises, growth of tariffs, taxes and corruption?
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 13 January 2018 16: 59
            +9
            You can not wait for 6 years, but immediately, in six months - by color revolutions and the final collapse of the country.
            All the same, with this alternative, I prefer 6 years - during this time many options for the development of events will surely be formed, and not all of them are negative for our state.
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 13 January 2018 17: 02
              +8
              Quote: Mestny
              You can not wait for 6 years, but immediately, in six months - by color revolutions and the final collapse of the country.

              And what other alternatives like "color revolution" can not be? Or do you sincerely believe that a person over 18 years engaged only in strengthening his personal power and the well-being of his friends over the next 6 years will do something else? No.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 17: 07
                11
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                Or do you sincerely believe that a person for 18 years has only been engaged in strengthening his personal power and the welfare of his friends ...

                If you sincerely believe that Putin has been doing just that all 18 years, then ... I feel sorry for you, also sincerely.
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 13 January 2018 17: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  If you sincerely believe that Putin has been doing just that all 18 years, then ... I feel sorry for you, also sincerely.

                  Pity better than yourself. fool
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 13 January 2018 17: 17
                    +9
                    Quote: zyablik.olga
                    Pity better than yourself. fool

                    That’s not a pity.
                    And - I note - I did not insult you.
                    Chao hi
                    1. Gardamir
                      Gardamir 13 January 2018 17: 41
                      +2
                      Chao
                      That the great troll Golovan surrendered, but can not be?
                2. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 13 January 2018 17: 44
                  +2
                  Putin has only been doing this for 18 years.
                  Oh, all-knowing, enlighten the foolish, or what is your pity?
                3. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 14 January 2018 06: 54
                  +2
                  Golovan, I’m just sorry for you, without any ifs. sad
              2. Mestny
                Mestny 13 January 2018 17: 08
                +7
                Did he do just that.
                I was already pretty years in 2000. Now, in 2017, even more pretty.
                Believe me, I have something to compare how it was then, and how it became now.
                And based on this comparison, I can say - far away. far not only. Although this, too, oddly enough is necessary for the leader of any country - the strengthening of power.
                And yes. The experience of some countries of the last decade shows that there are no other options besides color revolutions. Especially when "good neighbors" are extremely interested in such a revolution.
                1. zyablik.olga
                  zyablik.olga 13 January 2018 17: 16
                  +7
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Did he do just that.

                  Well, sometimes "grab on galleys", diving for amphoras, and taught to fly Siberian cranes. The people did not live better from this, and our country did not become independent economically.
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Believe me, I have something to compare how it was then, and how it became now.

                  So I am no longer a young girl, I see that there is a crackdown, while the majority of the population is impoverished.
                  Quote: Mestny
                  And based on this comparison, I can say - far away. far not only. Although this, too, oddly enough is necessary for the leader of any country - the strengthening of power.

                  We don't seem to live in satrapy or despotism. There must be the rule of law, and the same for all. And excessive personal power leads only to lawlessness and corruption.
                  1. Orionvit
                    Orionvit 13 January 2018 17: 57
                    +4
                    Quote: zyablik.olga
                    And excessive personal power leads only to lawlessness and corruption.

                    The conversation is not about "excessive" power, but about strong. These are two big differences. And about
                    So I am no longer a young girl, I see that there is a crackdown, while the majority of the population is impoverished.
                    Strongly doubt, judging by your statements.
                  2. Mestny
                    Mestny 13 January 2018 18: 25
                    +3
                    "The power of law, the same for all" happens only in an ideal spherical state in a vacuum, and in the heads of the light elves, fighters are all good.
                    In the real world, everything is different. Even in the USSR, which was so fond of lately opposing the current "oligarchy" with this, there were certain problems.
                    If satrapy or despotism is necessary for the survival of the country, then let it be.
                    Destroying everything in the name of the bright ideals of equality is the height of stupidity.
            2. Greenwood
              Greenwood 14 January 2018 06: 57
              +2
              Quote: Mestny
              You can not wait for 6 years, but immediately, for six months
              In general, you have two options. Or some more time to torment, to drive and finally die. Or die immediately, so as not to suffer. lol I wonder which option is more humane ?! request
          2. rice
            rice 13 January 2018 18: 30
            +2
            Quote: zyablik.olga
            And 6 years of empty promises, growth of tariffs, taxes and corruption?

            Well, VNA Ukraine promised everything quickly. And what is the outcome?
        3. Greenwood
          Greenwood 14 January 2018 06: 53
          +6
          Quote: Mestny
          this candidate will not lead the country to success

          Quote: Mestny
          what is happening now, we slowly and slowly slide down.
          Interesting you reason.
          There is a candidate Grudinin, the head of a successful enterprise, within which people live a worthy confident life, infrastructure is built, all social obligations are fulfilled, a decent salary is paid. He does not dodge about his income. He communicates with the press, goes to debates, does not arrange shows from each of his speeches. But no, this is all lies, this is all the project of the liberals and the State Department to blur the eyes of Russians. Do not let him crawl into power. He instantly sells everything, cuts it, pulls it, drinks it.

          And there is candidate Putin, who quit the KGB during a really difficult period for the country, crawled into the Sobchak administration and stirred up quite muddy deeds during this period of his dizzying career. Further, this worthy man, after losing his patron in the elections, quickly moves to Moscow (more precisely, some enterprising people pull him out there), jumps from one post to another, he is favored by President Yeltsin, who eventually appoints (with the approval of the oligarchic elite) his successor . So Putin, hitherto unknown to anyone, who has not become famous for anything before, literally in a year becomes "Russia's only hope." And now, for 18 long years, I constantly hear, watch on TV, read howls on the Internet about “horses do not change horses at the crossing”, “there is a difficult period in Russia, stability is needed”, “war is going on against us”, “if not Putin, then Who"...
    2. pilot69
      pilot69 13 January 2018 17: 19
      +3
      Well, why less successful? I have deleted the previous comment. If a small latifundist in the Moscow Region survived in the 90s and feels rather well now, then he is in the “system”. If you crawled out into the light of God - it means the "system" is not something that is beneficial, it needs it.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 13 January 2018 18: 27
        +1
        Less successful (Grudinin, of course, for those who missed the messages above) - in the sense did not have such power as, for example, Chubais.
        Money is wonderful. but when power is also good.
  5. Rusland
    Rusland 13 January 2018 18: 08
    +9
    Quote: pilot69
    Well, why less successful? I have deleted the previous comment. If a small latifundist in the Moscow Region survived in the 90s and feels rather well now, then he is in the “system”. If you crawled out into the light of God - it means the "system" is not something that is beneficial, it needs it.

    I read the deleted comment, I agree. There are worse, but remain. hi
  6. Blue cop
    Blue cop 13 January 2018 18: 25
    15
    Interesting parallels
  7. Rusland
    Rusland 13 January 2018 18: 47
    +8
    Saakashvili’s identity must be made a household name, equated with ISIS, the “right sector”, etc.
  8. spirit
    spirit 13 January 2018 20: 05
    +3
    Putin and Medvedev: so different outside, so similar inside hi
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    1. SEER
      SEER 13 January 2018 20: 34
      0
      spoiled the fortune?
  10. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 14 January 2018 00: 08
    0
    Bulk was not allowed to elections.
    But the Communist Party is a very muddy candidate ... McFaul harnessed for him.
    On the other hand, Putin has been around for many years and it’s not a fact that there will be no hard destabilization in 2024. In short, all hope is that Grudinin will be a new Medvedev with Putin’s great influence, otherwise fragmentation and destruction of the Russian Federation are almost guaranteed by the USSR scenario
  11. Plate
    Plate 15 January 2018 14: 48
    0
    And SBUshniki well done. Could have left candy at their headquarters winked
  12. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 16 January 2018 16: 37
    0
    To get rid of the good of this anal fool, so that others were not discouraged. Although why mess with a suicide bomber? Zvezdostan will make another sacred sacrifice of democracy out of him, and this submarine’s cretin is the way to go. And the olesha got in touch with the children because sane adults simply look with surprise at this wretched misunderstanding, which cannot even intelligently connect two words, and even intellect does not allow him to oppose the dispute in principle.