On Sevmash talked about the modernization of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov"

From the North heavy nuclear missile cruiser fleet "Admiral Nakhimov", standing on the stocks in Severodvinsk, removed all the old equipment and begins installing new ones, said the general director of Sevmash Mikhail Budnichenko to the factory magazine.

The ship has unloaded all the equipment. Part of it was sent for repair to manufacturers. Contracts for the supply of new equipment and complexes. Works are carried out in accordance with the schedule approved by the Ministry of Defense of Russia

- he said.

Deep modernization of the cruiser should be completed before 2021 year. TARK, in particular, will receive the Kaliber cruise missiles, the Poliment-Redut air defense missile system, and its anti-aircraft ammunition will be increased several times. This was announced last spring by the head of the USC, Alexei Rakhmanov.

In addition, life support systems and ship energy will be replaced on the ship, a new multi-function on-board computer will be installed.

It is safe to say that after the upgrade, the Admiral Nakhimov will become not one of the most powerful ships, but simply the most powerful ship. And not the Northern Fleet, but the entire Russian Navy

- said the deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies Konstantin Makienko.

“Admiral Nakhimov” was launched in 1986 year. In 1999, it was put on scheduled maintenance, a deep modernization of the cruiser began in 2013, reports TC "Zvezda"

Comments

[Zug]

If only it would be faster! -Nakhimov is the same thing !!!!
Yes, and just handsome, watch it joyfully even in the dock

[VALERIK_097]

I agree, and Peter the Great, it's time to patch up.

[Zug]

Yes, they patched up, it’s just the timeline ... Look what’s being done with the engines then!

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The photo in the article is old. Here is a more relevant one.

View from the stern

[Zug]

And it’s one beautiful! ”“ So many works of the Soviet People disappeared, according to the union, if you look, the crumbs of Power remained!

[allaykbar]

if you look at the union, there are crumbs of Power left!

everything is relative. The armament is more modern. There will be modern rockets. Air defense and so on. What a karakurt can do - even a ship of the 1st rank could not do.

Russia stepped forward. And it is not right to compare its capacities with the capacities of the union. The population has become 2 times smaller. Fifteen years of stagnation in the army and the military-industrial complex did not pass without a trace.

But the flywheel spins.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: allaykbar

What a karakurt can do - even a ship of 1 rank could not do it.

And why could such a karakurt do that a first-ranking ship could not?

[hrych]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

And why could such a karakurt do that a first-ranking ship could not?

Could not attack targets over 1,5 thousands of kilometers

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: hrych

Could not attack targets over 1,5 thousands of kilometers

Pike-B could well imagine - the Granat missiles were on them. And no one posed such a task to surface ships, because the USSR had a sufficient number of medium-range missiles. As a matter of fact, if it were not for Gorbi, who had waved an agreement on the elimination of medium-range land-based missiles, then we would not need to be perverted today
And so - The grenade could be installed on any first-class ship without problems

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Zug

And it’s one beautiful! ”“ So many works of the Soviet People disappeared, according to the union, if you look, the crumbs of Power remained!

Why is it missing? Where does the data come from? The last question ... but where is the union?

[Zug]

Nifiga stuck it!

[S-kerrigan]

Duc, the real thorough repair!
A good ship has a good support - fresh pictures were laid out correctly, otherwise the old ones blow with something "grave".

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Zug

If only it would be faster! -Nakhimov is the same thing !!!!
Yes, and just handsome, watch it joyfully even in the dock

It is intended (c) VV Zhirinovsky .... Unreal power and beauty imprinted in metal.

[Alex777]

And why didn’t they say that it will be the most powerful in the world? Why only the Russian Navy?

[I doubt it]

Quote: Alex777

And why didn’t they say that it will be the most powerful in the world? Why only the Russian Navy?

Because the most powerful ship in the world is an aircraft carrier.
Meet “Orlan” and “D. Ford” in a duel, the result is a foregone conclusion. Moreover, the composition of the groups is secondary ...
Not a single “Super Dreadnought”, at least any modernized one, can be compared with a wing of 80 ... 100 cars. Neither in power, nor in range, nor in universality and the range of tasks to be solved.

[faiver]

and if the wing does not have time to rise? and successful 10-20 machines may not solve their problems ....

[Titsen]

Quote: faiver

and if the wing does not have time to rise? and successful 10-20 machines may not solve their problems ....

Then the grandmother would be the grandfather!

[max702]

C'mon, an excitement of 6 points at sea, and here Petya and Bush meet .. And who is who?

[I doubt it]

Quote: max702

C'mon, an excitement of 6 points at sea, and here Petya and Bush meet .. And who is who?

In these conditions, he will simply increase the distance ...
As Gleb Zhiglov used to say: "The hole is for you from a donut, not Sharapov. He has long been bye-bye. And your hands are short to get it."
Bush has Hokai. And what about “Petit”?
And “Peti” has a radio horizon .... This is the question of who will close whom ...

[max702]

Quote: I doubt it

In these conditions, he will simply increase the distance ...

And “Petya” will reduce the distance .. And indeed, Bush has Toko Hokai and F-18, and Petya ... And who is who?
RS: You reminded me of a joke ..
- Comrade cadet I set you the task! A cruiser appeared on the parade ground, your actions!
- I torpedo him!
“And where do you get the torpedo?”
- From there, where did you get the cruiser!

[I doubt it]

Quote: max702

And “Petya” will reduce the distance .. And indeed, Bush has Toko Hokai and F-18, and Petya ... And who is who?
RS: You reminded me of a joke ..

The truth is funny.
But the key word was "radio horizon."
If it is associated only with jokes ....
Then "Petya." Of course, "Petya." And the Bush, and Washington, and Ford, and all of them combined .... Zircons ....

[I doubt it]

Quote: faiver

and if the wing does not have time to rise? and successful 10-20 machines may not solve their problems ....

Only if you are very lucky. In all other cases, the strike groups will rise and disperse much earlier than our means can issue target designation. Oh, more than once we remember Ulyanovsk and the Yak-44 ....
"An elbow is near, but not a bite," a Russian proverb.

[max702]

Quote: I doubt it

"and the Yak-44 ....

But it’s necessary to shoot for vertical lines because a dead end branch, especially with technologies of the 20th century .. It’s one joy that the “partners” bought a little bit of this bullshit, and at least didn’t beat off the funds invested in this disgrace ..

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Hmm ... Already 2021 year? Again, I missed the next shift in terms.

[avt]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Hmm ... Already 2021 year? Again, I missed the next shift in terms.

So up to 21 Well, if you take into account the state of Polent-Redoubt in an epic from 22350, then this is a campaign for happiness .....

[Dr_engie]

In fact, it was only 5 years that they did that the old equipment was removed from it, but has there been no modernization as such yet?

[cap-lei]

Yes, a very powerful and modern ship should work!

[NEXUS]

TARK Nakhimov, the former Kalinin, was rebuilt in the USSR from scratch in 5 years ... and we are modernizing it from the age of 13, that is, the same 5 years, and we will not see the completion of this modernization. What is there to rejoice about? What could be transferred to the fleet in the year 22? And after 10 years Petya will also be upgraded. So the guys are very similar to cutting the budget, with the subsequent assimilation of it in someone’s pockets.
What is there to be proud of? SHAME!

[Sands Careers General]

It would be a disgrace if they sawed it. And here at least something.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: NEXUS

What is there to be proud of? SHAME!

A new ship is easier to build. Repair and modernization of the cruiser requires a gigantic amount of work, including a complete replacement of equipment and communications and a partial alteration of the hull. This summer, the Nakhimov erected a new upper deck with cutouts for the UKKS. In the fall, it was reported that foundations for new equipment systems had already been formed and installed on the cruiser, repairs and updating of life support systems, and laying of cable routes were being carried out.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

A new ship is easier to build. Repair and modernization of the cruiser requires a gigantic amount of work, including a complete replacement of equipment and communications and a partial alteration of the hull.

We omit the fact that Nakhimov has been undergoing modernization not since 13, but since 99 ... second, alterations, replacements, redoing the case are all lyrics ... take a look at how much the same Liaoning was modernized over a period of 6 years.
And about it is easier to build a new ship ... so you tell Ivan Gren this, or MAPL Severodvinsk.
It is a disgrace, of pure water, to stretch the modernization of the ship for 8 years, and in fact for 9-10, since there are also sea trials, shooting, etc., ...
And when they put Petya on modernization, when it comes time to hand over the fleet, you can safely cut him to the needles right in the dock, as it will be about 30-32.

[askort154]

NEXUS....And it's easier to build a new ship ...


Pure logic: Build with "O", doing everything according to the project, in series, or dismantle the old, re-plan and remodel new equipment. Naturally, the second is longer and more expensive. Comparing with the USSR is completely not logical. Two different countries, two different social systems.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: askort154

Comparing with the USSR is completely not logical.

As for the USSR, we can recall the epic story of the modernization of the battleship "Paris Commune"

[NEXUS]

Quote: askort154

Naturally, the second is longer and more expensive.

It is very controversial, especially considering that Nakhimov has been waiting for modernization since 99. During this time, three modernization projects can be drawn. As well as finding money for it all.
8 years of modernization! Is this your Death Star the size of a planet? The Chinese have been building an aircraft carrier for 8 years from scratch, and we TARK are an old one for 10 years. And it's not a fact that by the age of 21 it will be ready.
Moreover, if, as you say, building a new one is simpler and cheaper, why did you decide to upgrade Nakhimov and not build something new? For example, the destroyer Leader. And I'll tell you why ... a third of the price of any ship is a hull. And modernization is always cheaper than building from scratch. Only this very modernization, a very lucrative business for bureaucrats of all ranks who are not feeble at all.

[Sands Careers General]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

A new ship is easier to build.

No, it’s not easier, here I do not agree. R&D will gobble up the lion's share of time and money, and then it is also necessary to build.
And here is the finished hull, reactors, etc.

[Per se.]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

No, not easier

For this very reason, during the Second World War, and the prewar period, it was preferable to convert into ready-made or unfinished ships into aircraft carriers, to modernize old destroyers, cruisers and battleships. The problem is not so much in the "futility" of upgrades and alterations, and in the fields of development and construction of a new one, you can weld on more. In our case, there is the fact that Russia simply cannot build ships of the first rank, therefore modernization is the only way to get a modern, powerful ship of the ocean zone.

[cormorant]

there is the fact that Russia simply can’t build ships of rank I now

Most likely they don’t want to. Are there any unsuccessful attempts at construction? No. So they just don’t want to spend money, and there are no lobbyists for the ocean fleet, among the admirals of the Navy ...

[Per se.]

Quote: cormorant

Rather, do not want. There are no successful construction attempts?

Are there any successful attempts? So far, one can only hear about the Leader destroyer project, but to say that it was faster, cheaper and, more importantly, more effective in efficiency, could have been, with the modernization of Nakhimov, the laying of the new lead ship. It seems that even with such a comparison, there will be more advantages in the modernized Nakhimov, which, in its characteristics, is essentially obtained by an atomic missile battleship, well, at least, by a battle cruiser. In this case, even the “Leader” project is unlikely to outperform the modernized nuclear cruiser, especially considering that the lead ship will have to be built, which always takes more time and money. Regarding the comparison of construction possibilities for icebreakers (as NEXUS suggests) or dry cargo, tankers are hardly correct. The 1144 Orlan ships have a unique hull, if possible, you should use the remaining cruisers, if not for modernization as cruisers, so in reworking them for light aircraft carriers or helicopter carriers. Well, and finally, it would be better if the Nakhimov were renamed Rurik, or another name that deserved good fame in the Russian fleet.

[cormorant]

Are there any successful attempts?

Yes, the fact of the matter is that they do not want to. Ask a real shipbuilder whether they can or not, he will answer: “Of course, yes!” Give them a good project and stable financing, they will make you a replica of any US aircraft carrier. Cranes and slipways of appropriate sizes are clearly needed. But this is the second ... All weapons technologies are being worked out on smaller ships ... Political will is needed ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Per se.

In our case, there is the fact that Russia simply can’t build ships of rank I now

Sure? You look at the displacement of new icebreakers, which are delivered without delay and on time.

[Sevastiec]

So if a new one is easier, was it not worth building a new one?

[Sands Careers General]

That is right. These are unique cruisers, they have no analogues.

[Zomanus]

Look forward to.
Just like the rest of the ships.

[mashinist]

In addition to calibers, they said that they would put zircon!

[DenZ]

There seems to be universal launchers of Caliber-Zircon, so if the Zircon is ready (adopted) then why not.

[Sevastiec]

I did not understand: for five years they only unloaded old equipment ?? !!

[tlauicol]

Quote: Sevastiec

I did not understand: for five years they only unloaded old equipment ?? !!

and 13 others thought: to unload or not

[Fitter65]

In addition, a new multifunctional on-board computer will be installed on the ship .........

That’s who writes such nonsense. This is my neighbor who installed an on-board computer on his Niva in 1985. In the early 80s, there were only 10 computers on one T-10C (as our computer was called) combined in one complex. some multifunctional electronic-computing complex will be delivered to the ship. but not an on-board computer with the ability to watch new films and drive to WoT ...

[Old26]

Quote: DenZ

There seems to be universal launchers of Caliber-Zircon, so if the Zircon is ready (adopted) then why not.

Universal Launchers Caliber-Onyx with the ability to use Zircon in the future, when it is brought to mind

[Wolka]

Well, yes, only "old men" go to battle ...

[Valery Saitov]

According to Zvarich’s statement, Sevmash is repairing and modernizing the Admiral Nakhimov TARKR in accordance with the state contract on schedule. Reports on each stage of the schedule and the amount of modernization work done are regularly made to the commander of the Russian Navy, Admiral Vladimir Korolyov, reports TASS.

"Admiral Nakhimov" - the cruiser of the project 1144 "Orlan", before 1992, had the name "Kalinin". It was laid 17 May 1983, at the Baltic Shipyard. The ship launched 25 on April 1986 of the year, 30 of December 1988 of the year, he added to the combat strength of the Russian Navy. 22 April 1992, it was renamed "Admiral Nakhimov".

[myobius59]

Ie swam, - I'm sorry, - he walked along the seas -okiyans only 10 years. In fact, even less. It is interesting how much after modernization it is allotted to it, with modern technological progress. When sometimes in just five to six years, some industries, such as electronics, make absolutely fantastic leaps.
Some write correctly here - it is probably better to make many new ships of small displacement, with their current capabilities, and have them in the fleet, than to modernize these monsters for decades. It’s better here and now than when it’s not known what else will be there. This weapon system has not yet been completed, this one is stupid, the other one is still only being tested.
And if tomorrow is war, if tomorrow is a campaign .... or as always hand to hand. Like we do not get used ...

[Nemesis]

This is wrecking ... What is the point of putting Redut on the air defense system ships if it does not work and it is because of its unpreparedness that frigate 22350 will soon decay on endless trials ...?! The dimensions of the cruiser allow you to use Fort (S-300) air defense missile systems, and you need to use it ...