On "Energomash" talked about the supply of rocket engines in the US

Contracts for the supply of Russian rocket engines in the United States were concluded on the 2019 year inclusive, reports Interfax a message from Igor Arbuzov, general director of NPO Energomash.

Today, foreign contracts provide more than half of the proceeds, the rest is state order. The bulk of the revenue is generated from the supply of rocket engines in the USA - РД-180 for the United Launch Alliance and РД-181 for Orbital ATK,

Arbuzov said in an interview with the newspaper "Izvestia".

According to him, there are no problems with the supply of engines - the company fulfills all its obligations.

We have contracts for 2019 year inclusive, there is a discussion of deliveries for subsequent years. Given the manufacturing cycle, we are in the active phase of negotiations with Orbital ATK and ULA. This is a very good order for us, which ensures the financial stability of the company,

stressed the general director.

Responding to a question about the possible termination of US contracts in connection with developments in the United States of rocket engines, which are intended to replace Russian, Arbuzov said:

Is there life after RD-180? Today, the company has enough contracts. In addition, we are not stopping the search for new foreign partners, we are developing new engines for promising launch vehicles.

Commenting on the negotiations with the Chinese company "Great Wall", he said that "China creates an engine close in its characteristics to the Russian RD-180, which is exported for American Atlas 5 missiles."

China is also interested in the RD-170 engine, the most powerful in the world, used in the Soviet super-heavy rocket Energia, and then in a modified form on Zenit missiles. Its further development is connected with the Russian medium-class rocket Soyuz-5 and in the future with a super-heavy rocket. China is also moving towards the creation of a carrier of a super-heavy class, which is why he is interested in our developments,

explained the CEO.

However, there is no question of selling a lot of Russian engines to China.

We understand that for China will be unacceptable form of interaction, which we use with American partners - the supply of ready-made rocket engines. If cooperation will continue to develop, then in the field of research works, the exchange of specialists, consultations in solving emerging problems,

said watermelons.

Comments

[Alexander 3]

Of course, China is interested in technology. We paid a lot for these technologies, this is an asset and we would not want to scatter them just like that.

[dorz]

How can this not help partners launch spy satellites.

[maxim947]

If cooperation will develop (with China), then in the field of research, exchange of specialists, consultations in solving problems,

This is stupid and short-sighted. The easiest way to bargain is that you are not created. If Mr. Arbuzov himself would have taken an active part in the development of a rocket engine, then he probably would not have said so. Although, on the other hand, maybe these statements sound so loud, but the output is only blah blah blah and all with their own.

[ando_bor]

Quote: dorz

How can this not help partners launch spy satellites.

We must learn from the Ukrainians, they refused to supply engines to the invaders and are now poorer than the Papuans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_b
y_GDP_ (nominal) _per_capita
and engines in Russia do.

[Chertt]

Quote: ando_bor

We must learn from the Ukrainians, they refused to supply engines to the invaders and are now poorer than the Papuans

I totally agree. Even this hour, some have not criticized the article "Energomash" criticized. for American "spy companions" .. well, the easy "unreasonableness" of such ANNalitiks is fearless, And the fact that NPO Energomash remains the world leader in its segment and conducts successful research and development work, for the benefit of Russia, they are not interested ..... Worthy followers of the bonfire horses

[max702]

That is, based on the article, we see that half of the state order revenue. and half export .. And therefore, if the state pays for this half of export revenue, will they continue to conduct scientific research? respectively, it is necessary that the state allocated money? But we don’t have money like that! Yeah .. But here on the US Treasury under a scanty percentage of the money we have! And the USA, having received this money from us, successfully buys again rocket engines from US for its programs aimed primarily against US! Isn't it idiocy? Let's give money to the enterprise directly bypassing The United States and its interests .. Everything will remain as before, but the United States will have problems, instead of the air that they pay for the finished product, they will have to invest REAL resources taking them from other projects ..

[Proxima]

To put it precisely in the article, the RD-170 is the world's most powerful LIQUID rocket engine. The MTKK was the absolute leader in this regard - the most powerful rocket engine ever created (the Shuttle side accelerator).

[RASKAT]

Yes, China has long been snooped in Ukraine, but is not able to reproduce it yet. It’s not for you to rivet pot irons .

[NEXUS]

Quote: RASKAT

Yes, China has long been snooped in Ukraine, but is not able to reproduce it yet. It’s not for you to rivet pot irons .

The Chinese are unlikely to play. The mattresses over there, fought over it for so many years, so what? Both bought and bought from us. But the Chinese are not yet able to create a normal engine for the fighter ... how much are they trying to copy the dvigun from the SU-27, and now from the SU-35 and where is their engine?

[RASKAT]

Well, there are slightly different technologies, but in general I agree with you. For example, China is building copies of our ANCr (air cruisers) and so what? Their J-15 analogue of our su-33 is also not well known about him, neither what radar is there, nor the engines, nor the avionics, which missiles can he carry? Everything is under a big question, personally for me. It sometimes seems to me that China is bluffing, and in everything, both in the Navy and in other types of troops.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: RASKAT

Yes, China has long been snooped in Ukraine, but is not able to reproduce it yet. It’s not for you to rivet pot irons .

The Chinese are unlikely to play. The mattresses over there, fought over it for so many years, so what? Both bought and bought from us. But the Chinese are not yet able to create a normal engine for the fighter ... how much are they trying to copy the dvigun from the SU-27, and now from the SU-35 and where is their engine?

The Americans have never grown their designers and are unlikely to grow, given what is happening there in the country. Limousines are one thing to produce, and rocket engines are another thing. But the Chinayoses purposefully grow designers. And sooner or later they will grow up.

[Cynic]

Quote: NEXUS

. And the Chinese are a normal engine for a fighter

according to rumors, their shoulder blades do not work, no resource ...

[Mimoprohodil]

Former employee of the Central Scientific Research Institute of Mechanical Engineering - 76-year-old former head of the Center for Aerodynamic Testing Vladimir Lapygin was sentenced to 7 years in a high security colony in the case of high treason. The verdict passed by the Moscow City Court.

As previously reported by MK, Candidate of Physics and Mathematics, a senior research fellow at the institute was detained in May last year. The case was classified, and the person involved was placed under house arrest and did not even dispute this preventive measure. The scientist, according to rumors, was charged with cooperation with one of the Asian countries. It all ended up that Lapygin was still imprisoned - for transmitting classified data to representatives of a foreign state.

Apparently, intelligence agencies became interested in scientists back in 2013. It was in that year that he was unexpectedly removed from his post at his native TsNIImash. And it was a big surprise for everyone. As the old employees of the research institute told us, Lapygina was chosen by the work collective as the director of the Center, and there were no prerequisites for him suddenly falling out of favor for all 20 years of his work in this position.

“Yes, Vladimir Ivanovich as a scientist participated in international congresses, traveled to China and other countries. For example, sometimes he went to the annual congress of IFAK (International Federation for Automatic Control). So what?" - his former colleagues shared with us. They are perplexed as to how to condemn a person for transferring some technology to China, if the Celestial Empire has long had all the equipment like two drops of water similar to ours, but not thanks to spies, but thanks to the official close cooperation of the two countries.

[Cynic]

Quote: Mimoprohodil

and thanks to the official close cooperation of the two countries.

I don’t remember this in the field of technologies and designs, usually all cooperation begins with a contract for the purchase of a batch of products and ends after the delivery of a pair, three pieces, although the contract could be for the supply of dozens of products.
On their part, the hypocrisy of pure water.

[Dimontius]

Did I understand correctly that when a contract with the United States is broken, the company will be financially unstable?

[max702]

Quote: Dimontius

Did I understand correctly that when a contract with the United States is broken, the company will be financially unstable?

Naturally, all the money was spent on the purchase of treasuries by the United States ... And they are buying the engine for our money for programs to destroy our country ... Is this a paradox? No! Cheating!

[Dalailama]

and China imposed sanctions against Russia, they can’t

[Igor V]

Well, "it never was, but suddenly - again" (Chernomyrdin). Once again torn to shreds, the economy supplies the hegemon.

[lukewarm]

So that's why it supplies what is torn.

[KOH]

Money doesn’t smell, filthy time, I’m selling it for a pie and a mom .....

[lukewarm]

The bulk of revenue is generated from the supply of rocket engines in the United States - RD-180 for the United Launch Alliance and RD-181 for Orbital ATK,

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This is a very good order for us, which ensures the financial stability of the enterprise,
stressed the general director.

And in the Russian Federation there is no secured demand. But there is a central bank, Rygozin, an eastern spaceport and falling missiles.
This is a sentence, compatriots. Without the enemy who wants to destroy us, we cannot survive. Without his orders, the company will stretch its legs. A worthy outcome of the board.

[_Ugene_]

not only that, we also have no right to supply these engines to anyone except them, i.e. if they don’t order them, then we won’t do them at all

[Dreamboat]

Yes, Putin and Rogozin brought the country, we build rocket engines better than anyone else in the world, rockets “fall” less often than in the USA, they built a cosmodrome .... and liberoids are all hysterical, they won’t break their heads!

[rotmistr60]

foreign contracts provide more than half of the proceeds

Therefore, the ever increasing sanctions by the United States continue to cooperate with them, as with one of the foreign countries.

on the possible completion of US contracts in connection with the development of rocket engines in the USA

It does not work out so far with the Americans, therefore, they will most likely extend the contract, or procure for proc.

[Igor V]

And the fact that the printing press turned on the engines in your pocket!

[The Siberian barber]

.. "Today, foreign contracts provide more than half of the proceeds, the rest is state orders. The bulk of the proceeds comes from the supply of rocket engines in the USA - RD-180 for the United Launch Alliance and RD-181 for Orbital ATK" ..

Here is an indicator of the state of the domestic space program. Such, here, are "achievements" ... ((

[Million]

But what about patriotism? Import sanctions cheese we push with bulldozers, and sell rocket engines to the enemy?

[Vadim237]

We sell because - this is not cheese.

[Dormidont]

It’s the same as if the USSR supplied shells to Hitler in 1943

[Blackmokona]

Stalin expressed concern over the possible seizure of the USSR accounts on the accounts of the Reichsbank. He said that all contracts for the supply of fuel and steel for the Tigers were fully implemented despite the difficult situation at the front and expressed confidence in the implementation of urgent deliveries of grain to the encircled Paulus army. It was also stated that Rokosovsky and Molotov’s trip to Berlin for treatment was their own business. And in Moscow, a monument will be erected to General Vlasov

[Dalailama]

by the way, the flag of this general was white-blue-red.

[voyaka uh]

Here on one of the discussions about missiles (about the Angara, it seems?)
something flashed that surprised me: that these engines are for sale
BELOW THE COST. They are very laborious, manufacturing “manual” is expensive,
and the selling price is firmly fixed in the contract.

[askort154]

voyaka uh ...... that these engines are for sale BELOW cost. They are very laborious, manual manufacturing is expensive, and the selling price is firmly fixed in the contract.

We carefully read: "Today, foreign contracts provide more than half, the rest is government orders. The bulk of revenue is generated from the supply of rocket engines in the United States - RD-180 ... "
How can this be when selling at a price BELOW the cost?

[voyaka uh]

I do not know. Maybe the calculation of the cost of production is different?
Get cash from Americans in cash - the factory is afloat. Fine.
And the costs are copied to something else - obviously unprofitable, covered
budget?

[askort154]

voyaka uh .....Get money from the Americans in cash - the plant is afloat. Fine.
That's for sure. As the practice of the 90s showed, our defense industry survived thanks to the export of armaments - an old reserve of the USSR, and "floated" with the funds received until a normal budget appeared

[rew1969]

cost is not always = sales revenue. (for example, options sales proceeds> cost price - the enterprise received profit; sales proceeds <cost price - loss, sales proceeds = cost price - the enterprise worked at zero.

[Star]

Well, there will be fools if they give up technology.
As my old boss used to say - giving your tool to the customer yourself then you won’t need it.

[viktorch]

that no one mentioned exactly how the engine was sold to the amers, and how all the licenses went to them, energomash now - Negroes are Papuans sculpting engines for white gentlemen

and what is it that technology is being poured into the chinas? amers have already leaked everything, now it’s possible to narrow-eyed, the problem is that people earn money, this is capitalism baby.

[Akim]

How did these tales, about licenses sold to Americans, about the rights of Americans to the engines themselves and the like nonsense?
1) Americans have a license to manufacture these engines in their factories. The license is valid until the 2020 year, after which the Americans are deprived of the right to manufacture these engines and must destroy the documentation on them. But the Americans thought that the start of the production of engines at their facilities was too troublesome, costly and time consuming task (the timeline in 6 years was voiced, then 6, etc. - this is only the start of production). Therefore, it is cheaper and easier to buy ready-made engines from Energomash.
2) All rights to the engines belong to Energomash. There are Russian patents for development used in these engines, there are duplicate American patents for the same developments. In US patents, the right holder is clearly indicated - Energomash. So the Americans did not have any rights to the engines (there is a near ending license for their production on their territory). Moreover, the rights of Energomash are protected by law in the States themselves. It was very far-sighted, so that the "partners" did not have a desire to steal the designs and register them for themselves. All patents are available for review on the website of the US Patent Office. There you can track the history of the patents themselves, which says that for all the time the right holder has not changed and they still have Energomash.

[viktorch]

provocative question: does energomash have the right to deliver these engines to the Russian space system at the moment? or still not?

[Cynic]

You are reading inattentively, Roskosmos consumes the 170s, and NASA 180s! By the way, designed SPECIALLY for them.
Materiel you need to know!

[Cook]

Why hold on to technology and produce an engine that is never used for its own needs? There were two options: the first - do nothing on the side, and sit without money; and the second: make money on the sale of licenses, and in view of the Americans' reluctance to establish their own engine production, to make it at home, having a guaranteed income from this. The point was that everything was spinning back in those days when such a tough confrontation between our countries had not yet been observed.

[rew1969]

No one sold the license. The United States paid for the design of the RD-180 and has all the rights. The license for the production of RD-180 is used by Energomash (maybe Energomash in the calculations even pays for the use of the license itself)!

[Akim]

The United States does not own the rights to these engines. I advise you to google the patent numbers, go to the website of the US Patent Office, find these patents and see the copyright holder. I’ll say right away that this is not the United States.
The United States has the right to produce and use these engines on its territory in accordance with the obtained license. But they could not set up production - long and costly

[rew1969]

In the studio, your Google.

[rew1969]

To produce on its territory ???

[Akim]

Here's a link for you to check whether patent rights were transferred to someone
https://assignment.uspto.gov/patent/index.html#/p
atent / search / resultAbstract? id = 6244040 & type = p
atNum
and so on each patent .. everywhere
Assignments (1 total)
Assignee

OTKRYTOE AKTSIONERNOE OBSCHESTVO "NAUCHNO-PROIZVODSTVENNOE OBIEDINENIE 'ENERGOMASH' IMENI AKADEMIKA VP GLUSHKO"
RUSSIA, MOSKOVSKAYA OBLAST, KHIMKI, ULITSA BURDENKO, D.1
Those. copyright holder is one and has not changed - Energomash. So - there are no such American RD-180, all rights are with Energomash. The rest is tryndezh liberal.

[Akim]

On the
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6244040
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6212878
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6244041
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6226980
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6442931

[Anchonsha]

If the PRC delivers the same engines, then the Chinese in half a year or a year will begin to stamp the same for themselves, and even sell it to someone.