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"The drone is not the most difficult goal for the" shell "The drones that attacked the bases in Tartus and Hmeimim were artisanal crafts of militants without the use of Western technology, the Pentagon says. Is such a version about the origin of unmanned aviation the Ahrar al-Sham group and how effective is the anti-drone protection at Russian bases in Syria?


The attack by UAVs on the Khmeimim base by the Russian military was most likely organized by militants from the Ahrar al-Sham group, based mainly in the province of Idlib. The grouping is banned in Russia, according to experts, enjoys support from Kuwait, Qatar and indirectly from Turkey. On the involvement of "Ahrar al-Sham" to the unfortunate raid on Tuesday reported sources of the publication "Kommersant".

Base VKS Hamim, we recall, last week was subjected to mortar fire. According to the experts of the newspaper VIEW, this attack of militants from the ground revealed gaps in the “second ring” of the defense of our base.

The failure of the new attack from the air was ensured by the work of the Pantsir-S anti-aircraft missile systems. According to the Ministry of Defense, "Pantsiri" shot down 7 from 13 unmanned aerial vehicles heading to the Hmeimim airbase and to the base in Tartus. The six remaining drones were lowered to the ground — the Russian electronic warfare subdivision intercepted the external control of these aircraft and landed them outside the base.

Combat drones from the "skillful pens" set?

"For the first time, terrorists massively used aircraft-type UAVs launched from a distance of more than 50 km using modern guidance technologies using GPS satellite coordinates," the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

The same message emphasized: "The engineering solutions used by terrorists ... could only be obtained from one of the countries with high technological capabilities for providing satellite navigation and remote control of dumping professionally assembled improvised explosive devices (IEDs) in designated coordinates."

The name “one of the countries” was not indicated, but the Defense Ministry immediately responded to the statement by the US military. "Extremists from the IG * and other groups use drones that are available on the open commercial market," said Pentagon press service spokesman Adrian Rankin-Galloway. “These systems are widely available and easy to control. They certainly do not require substantial technical expertise, ”he emphasized.

The fact that the use of combat drones by jihadists does not mean that they receive technology from western countries, military expert Anton Lavrov told the newspaper VIEW. "Components can be obtained from developed countries, but now it is not difficult for anyone to buy and assemble a drone," he said. “Now, kits, both Chinese and American, are widely available commercially for assembling their own unmanned aerial vehicles.” It is not necessary to purchase a UAV assembly, it is enough to buy components on eBay or on Chinese AliExpress, Lavrov believes.

“On the basis of such sets, anyone can make such a drone using satellite control and other control systems. Very advanced equipment is available, including even for UAVs with a range of several tens of kilometers, ”said the source.

The editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland edition, Viktor Murakhovsky, also believes that kits for assembling such devices can be easily bought anywhere in the world:

"Order via the Internet, deliver, bring."

“Those UAVs that tried to attack our bases have recognizable details,” Murakhovsky said in a comment to the VIEW newspaper. - This applies to an aircraft model engine, for example, the airframe, tail, wings, servo drives - “all these are commercial products that you can easily buy as part of the so-called whales (from the English kit - kit, kit - note). house to collect, "- said the expert.

The ability to control drones by GPS and the range of action "are not related to high technology," Murakhovsky is sure: "We use GPS anywhere ... What prevents you from putting GPS on a drone?" Absolutely nothing".

For longer range, you need more fuel. Usually, the GPS coordinates of the object are acquired at the starting point, and then it flies “on the machine, you do not need to control it,” the source said. If, however, managed, just bought a more powerful aircraft model transmitter, which operates at a distance of several kilometers. Its power, according to the law, is limited within 1 watts. But if you put the 10-kilowatt amplifier, it will work on any line of sight. And if you raise the antenna to the height of 100 meters, it will also work at a distance of 200 km, the expert said.

Military expert, editor-in-chief of the magazine “Arms Export” Andrei Frolov has a different opinion. "Of course, there are many drones that are sold in any store," - said the expert in an interview with the newspaper VIEW. However, as noted by the Ministry of Defense, those UAVs that tried to attack our bases can be controlled by GPS, and in addition, they have a long range - in the 50 – 100 km region. “You can't buy this in the store,” the expert stressed. To control the UAV at this distance, there must be appropriate equipment, he added.

Difficult but affordable target for the Panther

Regardless of the origin of the militants ’unmanned technology, the use of drones against Russian military facilities was a fiasco. "The drone is not the most difficult goal for the Pantyr, but still quite small," emphasizes military expert Andrei Frolov.

The Pantsir complexes have already demonstrated their capabilities; this is not the first time that they knock down various objects: drones and multiple launch rocket launchers (MLRS), Murakhovsky noted.

Yes, there are difficulties with the intelligence system. Objects such as UAVs, mostly non-metallic, there is plastic, foam. They are very difficult to detect by radar stations of any air defense systems. Hope for optoelectronic devices remains, the expert explained. Such on the "shell" is, so that the "shell" can work on such goals as the UAV. “But their work will be mostly cannon, because the thermal radiation from such objects is also small,” said the source.

However, we have a development: "With combat units of missiles that generate a powerful electromagnetic pulse, you can work on them quite effectively," concluded the expert.

Where is the landing?

"But the main work was done by electronic warfare systems that suppressed the communication channels of this drone," said Andrei Frolov.

Cases of such a "soft landing" of enemy drones are not uncommon and occasionally receive wide publicity. Especially when it comes to intercepting UAVs, manufactured in a clearly non-artisan way. For example, in October 2016, the Iranian military space forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) published a photo of the captured American drone MQ-1C.

At the same time, the Iranians demonstrated a new model of their own UAV called the Saege. The device turned out to be “suspiciously similar” to the American drone RQ-170 Sentinel (captured by the Iranian military in 2011 year).

The militia of the Donbass republics, for example, have experience in intercepting and landing enemy drones. So, in September last year, representatives of the People’s Militia of the LPR reported about the Ukrainian drone reconnaissance mined "in fully working condition" (assembled in Kiev from Chinese components). Although, as Alexander Zhuchkovsky, a representative of the Center for Unmanned Aviation of the DPR, noted in an interview at the VIEW newspaper, this “rarely happens - there is a good defense system on UAVs used by the Ukrainian armed forces; "Land" them is not so easy. " More often, Ukrainian drones just shoot down - which was reported in the military leadership of the DPR and LPR in October and November.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 January 2018 15: 30
    +8
    Carabling down mini drones is like S-400 will shoot down geese. The carapace is capable of intercepting small-sized targets, but it has been honed for completely different tasks.
    EW systems must fight mini-drones, not missile systems, in which one rocket is more expensive than the entire store in which these mini-drones were bought.
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 11 January 2018 15: 46
      +2
      So the shell also has guns.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 January 2018 15: 47
        +6
        Quote: Dr_Engie
        So the shell also has guns.

        So what? A volley of shells of the Pantsir’s guns is going to be cheaper than a mini drone? For a minute there, the rate of fire under, if sclerosis does not change, is 3 thousand rounds per minute of each gun ...
        1. Romario_Argo
          Romario_Argo 11 January 2018 19: 39
          0
          ZRPK Shell has an increased ammunition with TPK-mi on 4-e missiles (type MANPADS Verba), to destroy small targets. (12 TPK by 4 missiles = 48 missiles)
          proportionality of cost: "rocket - target"
    2. twviewer
      twviewer 11 January 2018 15: 56
      +1
      Military expert, chief editor of the magazine "Export of arms" Andrei Frolov has a different opinion.

      weapons experts without those education and experience using beauties,
      The drone is not the most difficult target for the "Shell", but still quite small

      minus seven planes as a result of simplicity ?! although a couple of years ago on a star! the videos were laid out where the UAV shell was not seen by the radar and couldn’t get out of the guns
      a rocket is cheaper of course than a plane can be repaired later, but when there are dozens of drones
    3. Viktor Petrov
      Viktor Petrov 11 January 2018 17: 54
      0
      For the Shell make small-sized missiles in one package of 4 missiles, so that everything is in order and the price is lower and the launch missiles more, the performance of the complex increases. 57-mm automatic guns must be returned to the air defense and shells with remote detonation to them.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 January 2018 17: 58
        +3
        Quote: Victor Petrov
        For the Shell make small-sized missiles in one package of 4 missiles, so that everything is in order and the price is lower and the launch missiles more, the performance of the complex increases. 57-mm automatic guns must be returned to the air defense and shells with remote detonation to them.

        Why be so wise? Carapace should cover the dead zone near the Triumphs, and not play with the crafts of young aircraft designers.
        I repeat, the problem of mini-drones should be solved by electronic warfare systems, which will be able to address targets such as those that cover our objects with a dome, when they enter, mini-drones would fall, devoid of communication and control.
        1. Viktor Petrov
          Viktor Petrov 11 January 2018 18: 39
          +1
          Of course you can not be wiser and wait for the next drone to fall head over hell for you, there should be a set of measures right up to destroying the calculations that UAVs launch and control them.
        2. Yarhann
          Yarhann 12 January 2018 01: 44
          +1
          it is - knocking down such robots is stupid. the only means of guiding these drones is satellite navigation - that is, the task of the EW troops is to slightly adjust the navigation signal to land the drones a little off.
          if these are drones and they are controllable, which I doubt very much, then it’s even easier to break the communication channel is not a question.
          and for the destruction of such crafts in the air, it’s probably best to have a 40-50mm barrel artillery and OFS shells with remote detonation — cheap and cheerful.
    4. Evgenijus
      Evgenijus 11 January 2018 21: 30
      0
      NEXUS:
      and not rocket complexes, which have one rocket more expensive than the entire store

      And how much is a bomber, which can get homemade drone with a grenade?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 January 2018 21: 33
        +4
        Quote: Evgenijus
        And how much is a bomber, which can get homemade drone with a grenade?

        These mini drones do not have protection against the effects of electronic warfare systems against the word at all, since they cost five kopecks on a market day ...
        You can, of course, chase a fly with a sledgehammer, and destroy them with such a macar, or you can take an aerosol Raptor or the like and not tear the umbilical cord by waving a sledgehammer. I exaggerate, but I hope you understand my point.
  2. Monarchist
    Monarchist 11 January 2018 15: 45
    +1
    Just some 18 years ago, these UAVs were a curiosity and the countries that “hunt” this can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and now. I won’t be very surprised if such a junk is poured into my window, and what kind of filling does he have?
    Do you want Hochma? In the Berlin Zoo, a monkey shot down unmanned aerial vehicles. Journalists launched such an apparatus so that they could observe primates from a bird's-eye view, and some kind of ape got tired of this “sight” and she climbed a tree with a good stick and scandalized the apparatus.
  3. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 11 January 2018 16: 02
    0
    That is, we don’t have any device that minimally corresponds to the task of protecting our objects from drones. The "shell" is ridiculous. Yet let's try atomic charges, the EMP will hit the drone without fail. It’s a sad situation, drones have been flying for 20 for years, and they haven’t even begun to collect carts, not even to ride it.
    There should be a system based on multivariate analysis of video and audio channels. And most importantly, it has a powerful and at the same time cheap effector, for example, a cloud of shrapnel that shoots at a pre-configured distance. One so-called clip to such a device should contain at least a hundred shots.
    As we see, you can create whole clouds of charged drones. And what, to land on them expensive rockets? How long can the Shell be fired before its ammunition is empty? Apparently less than capable of launching not too generously funded barmaleys ...
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 12 January 2018 05: 45
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      As we see, you can create whole clouds of charged drones. And what, to land on them expensive rockets? How long can the Shell be fired before its ammunition is empty? Apparently less than capable of launching not too generously funded barmaleys ...

      in fact, drones knock down shells from cannons. if it’s very interesting, there is a video from Military Acceptance on Zvezda. so far, no one has seen the "clouds" of drones anywhere. Above, people argue about the cost-effectiveness of shelling drones, but I doubt very much that the complex will hit them in ten to thirty second bursts.
      and lastly, what other measures do you propose cost-effective interventions? this:
      Quote: Mikhail3
      There should be a system based on multivariate analysis of video and audio channels. And most importantly, it has a powerful and at the same time cheap effector, for example, a cloud of shrapnel that shoots at a pre-configured distance. One so-called clip to such a device should contain at least a hundred shots.

      It’s several times (possibly orders of magnitude) more expensive than several volleys of shell cannons.
  4. ont65
    ont65 11 January 2018 16: 18
    0
    It is unlikely that the attack with drones, missiles or bases was such a surprise to the security forces. They fulfilled their task and the technical means paid off. This makes me happy. It would be nice if the attack was followed by a retaliatory strike, but this is obviously a task for the future.
  5. AleBors
    AleBors 11 January 2018 16: 55
    +2
    It is necessary to shoot down such crafts with a fraction. Cheap and cheerful. winked
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 11 January 2018 21: 26
      +2
      I suggested yesterday, it’s useless.
  6. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 11 January 2018 17: 05
    +2
    Oh, these "legends" of the "Shell"! Shoot a "cheap" home-made drone with a sim unit? Oh well ...! For some reason, everyone forgot “Tunguska”? The units have already been manufactured, the ammunition too, the money from the budget has long been "paid off" .. So what ... wait until the ammunition is delivered to the warehouses? Maybe it's better ... let them be "disposed of" near Hmeimim? Maybe they don’t need to drive the Tunguska to Syria themselves, but adapt it, the Shell, under 9M311,9M311M? After all, various modifications of the "Shell" have now been developed: without guns, and with simplified radar equipment, and ..... that is. cheaper! By the way, there was such an “opinion” that 9М337 (Sosna-R) was originally developed for the modified “Tunguska.” Why not try the “Pine” for air defense of the air base in Syria? Somehow, I recently proposed modernized Shilka for anti-drone air defense "with the equipment of these 23-mm fragmentation-beam (shrapnel) shells with programmable detonation and upgraded zuras 9М32,9М36,9М313 (with the replacement of the IR-GSN on the PL-GSN according to the example of the Chinese QW-3" ... anyway warehouses lying around ", and to combat UAVs (modernized (!) - come in handy.
  7. vlad007
    vlad007 11 January 2018 17: 49
    +1
    And at what altitude in the main area of ​​approaching the target did the drones fly and at what speed? In the desert, they can fly at an altitude of 5-7 meters. Even if they were completely metal (although they were non-metal), it is unlikely that such a height is available for modern radar equipment.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 11 January 2018 17: 56
      +1
      Theoretically, with a multidirectional attack of low-flying UAVs (if the perimeter is compromised), well, it will be as difficult as with a mortar strike. Even the shell ... And expensive. So no one wanted to do much damage to the base. It just seems like politics ...
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 11 January 2018 19: 06
        0
        There is no absolute protection against this weapon, and will not be for a long time. and with minidrons, the militants have dishonored the Syrians more than once. In my opinion, even the field stockpile of ammunition was undermined, some equipment. A homemade suicide drone is in every way cheaper than repairing, say, the tail of a fighter (as in the photos that appeared).
  8. Locksmith
    Locksmith 11 January 2018 19: 04
    +2
    Usually, the GPS coordinates of the object are entered at the starting point, and then it flies "on the machine, you don’t need to control it," the source said.

    In order for IT to fly there, according to the coordinates, you must first have these coordinates! That is, the drone must have in the "brain" a computer map of the area with the indicated point of bomb drop, as well as a drawn flight path, as well as a built-in altimeter, as well as the presence of meteorological reports of air pressure, etc.
    And now let’s think about an “expert” - who shared with strategic head-cap data? wink
    In which store you can buy a flight computer with such capabilities, give me 15 lyam, our defense industry suffers, creating this for years laughing and a glider? After all, it carries 4 kg of load, it does not have a flight video camera and most likely it does not have radio control - just a computer, it’s very difficult to cut such a foam from foam, you need to KNOW HOW TO CALCULATE this, for a radio control (radio correction) range of 50-100 km you need a repeater in the form ... reconnaissance aircraft, gasoline of the DL-50 type is very shaky, for 50 km of flight the nifig will not work on board - if you DO NOT BE ABLE TO FIGHT WITH THIS, there are more questions than voiced.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 11 January 2018 19: 45
      0
      Comrade ... Why? Why do we need these unnecessary miracles? We take a compact weather station. We clarify with its help on the weather, especially on the wind and humidity near the earth itself, we take the basic picture from the satellite, it is quite affordable. We get into a computer that does not fly anywhere (what the hell at all ?!).
      And then, from a pre-selected point, we release pieces of fifty drones, which only have that distance sensor and an automatic elevator. They cost 15 thousand rubles, excluding the bomb load. At military prices - nothing! And the effect will be generally bad.
      Suddenly, a machining center will help cut out from the foam. Plastics these things devour with the speed of thought, and are, in relation to the material used, like anti-aircraft half-missiles.
      Or will you argue that this case is set by illiterate martyrs? Well then, of course ...
  9. Pavil144
    Pavil144 11 January 2018 19: 44
    +2
    The glider and the engine themselves were rewound, and the means of guidance and reset, they can not think of it. Have you seen from the video how they shoot from machine guns or RPGs? They would have slingshots
  10. Sige
    Sige 11 January 2018 22: 24
    0
    For a mirrored asymmetric response, now the US base should be attacked by drones.
  11. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 11 January 2018 23: 03
    0
    The drones attacking the bases in Tartus and Hmeimim were artisanal crafts of militants without the use of Western technology, the Pentagon says.
    What do they understand at the Pentagon? Here our Jewish friends here argue that it was our MO that came up with everything, the planes themselves twisted with tape and are now showing to everyone.
  12. Pacifist
    Pacifist 15 January 2018 08: 14
    0
    “A drone is not the hardest target for the Carapace, but still quite small.”

    Forced, but mediocre use of the complex. The price of such a shot is incommensurable with the price of the target, even taking into account all the associated costs. The heel of the “Derivative Air Defense” installations for such tasks is a much more suitable tool.