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The company Glock introduced a new model of the gun

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Austrian company Glock announced the release of a new model weapons. According to the portal armyrecognition.com, at the Shot Show 2018, which will be held in late January in Las Vegas, will be presented a new pistol called Glock 19X.


The G19X was developed for the military and is a practical, everyday-carrying gun that will do what you need and when you need it, regardless of external factors.
- told Josh Dorsey, vice president of Glock.

The company Glock introduced a new model of the gun


Glock 19X was developed for the US Army as a replacement for the Beretta M9 pistol under the XM17 Modular Handgun System tender, but lost the “match” to the SIG Sauer P320 pistol and will now be available in the civilian market.

The model is a "hybrid" pistols G19 and G17 fifth generation. The G19X has a full-size G17 handle and a compact upper part from the G19. The company Glock indicate that G19X will fully comply with army standards, with the exception of one detail - a safety thumb guard. The rest of the civilian market will go the same gun that was offered to the American army.

The cost and timing of the start of sales Glock 19X will be announced at the official presentation to be held at the Shot Show 2018. Today it is known that the gun will be sold in the caliber 9 × 19 mm in color "Coyote" in the configuration with three stores - one 17-charging and two increased capacity (17 + 2), transmits "Warspot"

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  1. kebeskin
    kebeskin 10 January 2018 17: 24
    13
    A good company can make good pistols
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 10 January 2018 18: 44
      +3
      I admit, I always experienced a weakness for the Glock lineup. Great design!
      1. The_lancet
        The_lancet 10 January 2018 19: 50
        +7
        Austrian Glock Engineers - Better Fix It! No.
        1. Genry
          Genry 10 January 2018 20: 12
          +3
          Take a safe gun ...
          1. tracer
            tracer 10 January 2018 20: 49
            +2
            This is a SPORTS gun. And he is categorically not suitable for other goals.
            1. Genry
              Genry 10 January 2018 21: 43
              0
              I meant the restrictions on the shutter. There, a fuse and an emphasis protect the hands from the movement of the shutter.
              1. dauria
                dauria 10 January 2018 22: 30
                +3
                Haha PM in armies change for something? This is garbage for outfits and shoot yourself .... Automatic, and then not everyone will come in handy in the case of a real mess. And to drag this little bundle is an extra hemorrhoids. There lovers for their let them buy what they want. And let firms do for them. In the army PM change - the treasury money wasted.
        2. tracer
          tracer 10 January 2018 20: 52
          +4
          Weapons are generally dangerous. The grip on the handle was wrong and that's the answer. The hand of the shooter has little fingers; it’s not long; Glock is unable to correct crooked hands.
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 10 January 2018 23: 18
          +7
          Quote: The_Lancet
          Austrian Glock Engineers - Better Fix It!

          With crooked hands it’s still not possible to get it .... And Glock’s engineers have nothing to do with it - I’ve seen even worse from our Makar - there are enough idiots in any army. But I wouldn’t change VOM Beretta M9 to Glock - this is some Serdyukov sitting in the US Department of Defense - I have nothing more to explain to such a replacement .....
          Himself a longtime fan of M9 - in 1982, one import government presented an award. Learned preferences and guessed. Beretta Nine and Kalash are the best of all time! At least I won’t live and see something better.
        4. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 11 January 2018 01: 49
          +3
          Quote: The_Lancet
          Austrian Glock Engineers - Better Fix It! No.


          Only geneticists can fix this. Bro they are gunsmiths, not genetics.
          1. The_lancet
            The_lancet 11 January 2018 02: 26
            +1
            What only geneticists can fix. Bro they are gunsmiths, not genetics.

            I did not fully understand your answer
        5. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 11 January 2018 05: 48
          +2
          Quote: The_Lancet
          Austrian Glock Engineers - Better Fix It! No.

          When training “dry”, do not hit the shutter with your left hand, but “pinch” it. Do not try to do fast - do it right, the speed will come by itself. During the shooting you do not need to "drown" the gun in your hand. Strongly squeeze it too.
        6. cherrybuster
          cherrybuster 11 January 2018 19: 15
          +1
          "tight" - does not mean "fat over the edge"
        7. Victor Wolz
          Victor Wolz 11 January 2018 19: 52
          +1
          In the company box where Glock lies, there are already overlays on the handle, there is an overlay of the so-called. beaver tail, it eliminates exactly this. if not, then you can buy without problems.
      2. CooL_SnipeR
        CooL_SnipeR 10 January 2018 20: 38
        +9
        Quote: xetai9977
        I admit, I always experienced a weakness for the Glock lineup. Great design!

        First, shoot him out of it ... I also looked around the kin as much as I had to wipe the monitor. But I shot from taurus 92 - I realized that the glock is not mine (out of 34), as well as from GS18 sport. Maybe I’m crooked, but I shot more accurately and somehow it is well perceived in the hand and the recoil is softer. Yes, Glock has automatic fuses and everything like full compatibility of spare parts from any other barrel, it is better in terms of self-defense - but as a weapon - a piece of metal is better than a pressed piece of plastic bags.
    2. hotrod
      hotrod 10 January 2018 20: 48
      +5
      Quote: kebeskin
      A good company can make good pistols

      I used Glock 17 and Beretta M9. Of course, you can’t compare, but Glock, due to its low weight, really shoots up the barrel when shooting, Beretta is much more stable in this regard ...
      1. Victor Wolz
        Victor Wolz 10 January 2018 23: 17
        +4
        Try Chz or Tonfolio you like them more than Beretta.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 10 January 2018 23: 25
        +6
        Quote: hotrod
        Glock due to its low weight lifts the barrel very much when fired

        As usual, bourgeois invent themselves hemorrhagic. Why was the plastic gun originally invented? So that the metal detectors do not ring. I don’t have a metal detector at the airport singing a polka-butterfly (fragments - add 18 grams to my weight), and terrorists with plastic weapons - normally, they don’t ring. And the fact that there is metal - so in the analysis you can put in a cigarette case ....
        1. CooL_SnipeR
          CooL_SnipeR 11 January 2018 09: 24
          +3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Why was the plastic gun originally invented? So that the metal detectors do not ring.
          disappoint, not for this. There, a steel shutter of decent length, even in compact models, and therefore glows like a Christmas tree. Plastic to at least somehow reduce the cost and weight, although the latter is debatable - it kicks, especially in older calibers. Its prime cost is high due to the coatings used and manufacturing tolerances. They have a whole conveyor on cnc machines so that there is interchangeability of parts. This is now prices have dropped to a decent 500+ greens for a 19 model. Why? Yes, technology has become cheaper, computers and machines, including and materials, and used to be like a Mercedes compared to constipation.
      3. Sharky
        Sharky 11 January 2018 02: 27
        +3
        but Glock, due to its low weight, really shoots up the barrel when shooting,

        Totally agree with you. I had a chance to shoot a Caracal pistol, which is done in the UAE with the chief designer from Austria (very similar to glock). The same problem with scoring the barrel. Then I immediately shot from SIG (I don’t remember the model), a completely different matter. Yes, harder, but also does not jump in the hand. Maybe that's why the Americans won SIG against Glock.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 11 January 2018 01: 48
      +2
      Quote: kebeskin
      A good company can make good pistols


      Released the next line is not compatible with previous versions ... and rejoice ...
  2. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 17: 26
    13
    Ehh, when in Russia they will learn how to make normal pistols ...
    1. zyzx
      zyzx 10 January 2018 17: 30
      24
      They always knew how to do it, they simply don’t sell them to fools and don’t let the ads on YouTube.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 17: 47
        14
        Quote: zyzx
        They always knew how to do it, just then they don’t sell them to fools and they don’t let ads on YouTube


        And to whom they sell, smart? Normal pistols on the fingers of one hand can be counted.
        1. zyzx
          zyzx 10 January 2018 19: 06
          10
          These people walk around the museum and gasp ... ooh ... at the Tiger (tank), leather seats, ooh, and which interior is spacious, ooh, which gun is long and armor is thick, and these Russian tanks will learn how to code. Yes, once in your understanding, that's just the war in Barlin ends. When the specialist meets with Makarych, against you with a glitch, then believe me you will die.
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 19: 32
            +8
            Am I going to die?))) It's funny.
            And who is threatening me?
          2. Azazelo
            Azazelo 10 January 2018 20: 43
            +7
            Don’t worry, none of these admirers of Western weapons will bother to study, for example, the shooting methods of Alexander Petrov and other people who are versed in weapons not using PC shooters. What to argue with people who do not know alternatives other than advertising.
          3. Chever
            Chever 10 January 2018 23: 03
            +4
            These people walk around the museum and gasp ... ooh ... at the Tiger (tank), leather seats, ooh, and which interior is spacious, ooh, which gun is long and armor is thick, and these Russian tanks will learn how to code. Yes, once in your understanding, that's just the war in Barlin ends. When the specialist meets with Makarych, against you with a glitch, then believe me, you will die


            Well, you compared. A specialist with any weapon does anyone ...
    2. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 10 January 2018 17: 31
      +6
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Ehh, when in Russia they will learn how to make normal pistols ...


      Pistols are normal. And the fact that new developments are not accepted into service, so, apparently, it is not in the gunsmiths.
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 17: 45
        +8
        That's it ...

        About the fact that normal, everything is relative.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 10 January 2018 19: 41
          +6
          In comparison, it turns out that a shooter with PM often changes the store, that's all.
      2. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 18: 05
        +6
        Lyosha, hello! hi
        Quote: Reserve officer
        not gunsmiths matter.

        Exactly, here again everything rests on lobbyists and "effective managers", go to their grandmother! am
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 10 January 2018 18: 14
          +7
          Pasha, welcome!
          I want to say that, without a doubt, Gaston Glock, as they say, is a "serious man." But the success of his development is largely determined by competent marketing.
          Our samples - so offhand, as a keepsake - CP-1M "Gyurza" P.I. Serdyukov, P.A.A. Yarygin, OC-27 "Berdysh" I.Ya Stechkina and B.V. Avraamova, GSh-18 Gryazeva-Shipunova, finally the promising "Swift" of Streshinsky and PL-14 Lebedev - are very worthy of development. There is a lot of information on them on the Internet. You can, of course, meticulously compare all this, but then a very large article will turn out.
          There is no ideal “king of pistols”, all models have pros and cons. But on my own I will say that I (I am the USSR master of sports in bullet shooting from a pistol, high-speed, MP-8 exercise) is very fond of the PL-14. This is right under me.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 18: 19
            +5
            Quote: Reserve officer
            Gaston Glock, as they say, is a "serious man."

            I will not dispute this.
            Quote: Reserve officer
            But the success of his development is largely determined by competent marketing.

            Bingo, my friend! good I myself heard a lot of complaints specifically from specialists, and I myself am not completely delighted, although I consider this pistol to be very worthy.
            Quote: Reserve officer
            PL-14 Lebedev

            A little lower, my good friend posted a video. I hope to someday try this exquisite engineering rifle personally. Oh, dreams ...
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 10 January 2018 19: 18
            +9
            Quote: Reserve officer
            Our samples - so offhand, as a keepsake - SR-1M "Gyurza"

            Gyurza what year is brought to mind, do not tell me? And this is a massive gun for the army?
            Quote: Reserve officer
            P.A.A. Yarygin,

            Which specialists do not particularly favor ...
            Quote: Reserve officer
            B.V. Avraamova, GSh-18 Gryazeva-Shipunova,

            GSh is a very controversial pistol, which is not only praised by our specialists, but also persuaded by cases ..
            Quote: Reserve officer
            finally the promising "Swift" Streshinsky

            Forget about Swift ... blown away ... did not pass the tests, and if sclerosis does not change me twice. Now it is produced only in the form of pneumatics.
            Quote: Reserve officer
            PL-14 Lebedev is a very worthy development.

            Which also has its pros and cons ..
            Quote: Reserve officer
            OTs-27 "Berdysh" I.Ya Stechkina

            And here I agree ... the machine is wonderful. Only now, our Moscow Region prefers to push state money into development from scratch, which then ends with nothing. What prevented the Ministry of Defense from not fumbling, but to take the same Berdysh and modernize it, say, lighten, strengthen the cartridge, attach strips? And we would have had a massive army pistol no worse than Glocks and Zig-Sauers with Colts ..
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 10 January 2018 20: 12
              +7
              Andrei, I had to shoot from many samples. And my special sympathy for Lebedev's pistol is caused by the fact that the school of Efim Leontyevich Khaidurov is clearly traced in it. His famous sports XP, with whom I spoke at competitions. It is very likely that athletes participated in the design of the submarine pistol.
              By the way, in Irkutsk, in 76, I was personally lucky to meet you. There were firing still in the line of RP exercises, they fired from the no less famous TOZ-36 revolver (its own design). In the "security zone", where the handling of unloaded weapons is allowed, skills of quick throwing were worked out. Suddenly, someone asks from behind - "Have you tried it from the belt?" We turn around - Efim Leontyevich. He came to look at the pupils of his friend-coach.
              After the competition, they closed in a dash and began to try. From the revolver from the belt on a swinging jar everything fell, from a pistol - no one. And the arrows were not lower than the CCM. And, as Khaidurov explained to us, this is natural. With a revolver, the barrel is a continuation of the hand, while a pistol has a completely different grip. And as he said, in his pistols he paid attention to the grip. A comfortable grip is the main condition for accuracy. And it was very strongly felt, especially in comparison with another then no less popular Margolin pistol.
              This is the increased attention to the grip I saw in Lebedev's pistols.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 10 January 2018 20: 24
                +8
                Quote: Reserve officer
                This is the increased attention to the grip I saw in Lebedev's pistols.

                An oversized grip of Lebedev’s gun is undoubtedly interesting ... but it’s under development and development, and Berdysh has already been tested and adopted by special services. Moreover, Stechkin paid attention to erganomics. The question is not whether the submarine is better or OTs-27, and the fact that the topic of replacing an army pistol, however, like a pistol for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, was ripe 30 years ago, or even more. In the 90s they created Berdysh, which is still in no way inferior to the best Western models to this day ... the question is, why should we invent a new gun when there is a proven and trouble-free OTs-27? Why are these dances with Gyurza, Viking, PL, PY, and so on? Now Kalashnikov is dragging his Viking, and I’ll tell you, they’ll drag him in, because the money is not frail. But in fact, the submarine did not pass the state test, the same Swift (Russian Glock) failed the test. And Berdysh faithfully serves and serves. Who prevents to take, but to modernize it, to lighten, to attach slats, can strengthen the cartridge? We have only trials and prototypes, and the army to this day has no replacement for Makarov and TT, from the word at all. So maybe it's time to tie up with this Santa Barbara?
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 10 January 2018 20: 33
                  +2
                  Andrey, here I completely agree. Replacement Makarov long overdue. And as I wrote above - it’s not at all the designs of the pistols. There are decent models for an army pistol. And indeed, the entire line of OTs is very serious products. And not only them.
                  It's just that all these, as you put it, Santa Barbara, are nothing but underwater currents in the Moscow Region. So, no matter how trivial it sounds, the order needs to be restored precisely in the heads of high ranks.
              2. alatanas
                alatanas 11 January 2018 11: 55
                +1
                I agree. It was because of the grip that many liked Parabellum (Luger).
          3. Black_Vatnik
            Black_Vatnik 10 January 2018 19: 24
            +7
            Just now, he had the good fortune of holding the Berdysh in his hands and pulling it once. Better than a pistol, for my philistine taste, was not and is not. It is unfortunate that he was not properly lobbied.

            PL-14 is just a prototype. But the PL-15, according to reviews of some well-known personalities, is a very solid model.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 January 2018 19: 41
              +2
              Quote: Black_Jacket
              Just now, he had the good fortune of holding the Berdysh in his hands and pulling it once. Better than a pistol, for my philistine taste, was not and is not.

              My friend is well acquainted with Berdysh ... he speaks of him like that, the machine is unpretentious, easy to use, very convenient, a real Russian gun. But, he says, he would have to remove a bit of weight, but the cartridge is more powerful, then he would not have had a price. And we would not need all these swifts with PY, and submarines in a compartment with western Glocks and Kolts nafig. Well, our gunpowder is worse than in the west, which greatly reduces the capabilities of our weapons as a whole.
              1. Black_Vatnik
                Black_Vatnik 10 January 2018 19: 47
                +3
                Berdysh walked under three different calibers - PM, TT and Luger. 9x19 is a fairly powerful cartridge, about 7.62x25 I generally am silent. It’s strange that your friend wasn’t happy.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 January 2018 19: 51
                  +4
                  Quote: Black_Jacket
                  It’s strange that your friend wasn’t happy.

                  He talked about the cartridge 9 * 21 ...

                  9 x21 pistol cartridges (from left to right): SP-10 - with an armor-piercing bullet with a steel heat-strengthened core; SP-11 (index 7 H28) - with a bullet with a lead core in a bimetallic shell; SP-12 (index 7 H29) - with a bullet with a steel core; exemplary; training
                  1. Black_Vatnik
                    Black_Vatnik 10 January 2018 20: 00
                    +3
                    9x21 is the brainchild of SR-1, aka SPS, aka "Vector", aka "Gyurza". The car is arch-powerful, but such is not needed in the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                    And "Berdysh", as I recall, has never been produced under this cartridge.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 January 2018 20: 03
                      +5
                      Quote: Black_Jacket
                      9x21 is the brainchild of SR-1, aka SPS, aka "Vector", aka "Gyurza". The car is arch-powerful, but such is not needed in the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                      In the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it may not be necessary, but the soldiers are now dressed in armor, like tanks on the battlefield ... and here you need a cartridge that can break through the armor. This is exactly what my friend meant. And these cartridges were just created to pierce the bulletproof vest. And Berdysh with such a cartridge would be an excellent substitute for both TT-Kam and Makarych ...
                      1. Black_Vatnik
                        Black_Vatnik 10 January 2018 20: 23
                        +1
                        But why then do we need a huge nomenclature of Kalashoids?
                        The weapon under the pistol cartridge ceased to be the main one for an infantryman some 70 years ago.
                        Today you can buy such an SIBZ for aliexpress, that not every intermediate (aka automatic) cartridge will take it, but you're talking about pistols)
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 January 2018 20: 26
                      +4
                      Quote: Black_Jacket
                      and you're talking about pistols)

                      That is, do you think you don’t need a personal weapon of the last chance?
                      1. Black_Vatnik
                        Black_Vatnik 10 January 2018 20: 31
                        +2
                        A soldier of a second chance (or a contract soldier, which doesn’t really change much) a second chance weapon? Namely - nafig is not necessary. It is better to take two additional stores.
                    3. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 January 2018 20: 35
                      +7
                      Quote: Black_Jacket
                      A soldier of a second chance (or a contract soldier, which doesn’t really change much) a second chance weapon? Precisely - nafig not necessary

                      And I’m not talking about conscripts ... there are officers and foremen, there are special units, finally there are forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... and they all now have the Makarovs in different versions.
                      Why do the same specialists use glocks, zig-zaur, colts? Apparently from great stupidity, maybe it's better to take two additional stores to Kalashak.
                      1. Black_Vatnik
                        Black_Vatnik 10 January 2018 20: 49
                        +3
                        Specialist. units are a completely different opera. What do they have to do with the regular army? Rhetorical question.

                        CP-1 has been in service with various specials for more than a year. units.
                        And yes, if the SP-10 cartridge didn’t seem powerful enough to your friend, then it’s better not to mention about the nomenclature of cartridges for “glock, zig zaur, colt”.
          4. Genry
            Genry 10 January 2018 20: 28
            +2
            Quote: Reserve officer
            (I am the USSR master of sports in bullet shooting from a pistol, high-speed, exercise MP-8)

            Now, for practical shooting, Efimov’s gun is offered ...
            1. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 10 January 2018 20: 50
              +1
              From the sports PE-10 did not have to shoot. If the opportunity presents itself, I would like to try. Make an impression for yourself.
      3. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 03: 14
        0
        The gun in the army is the most useless weapon. This is a status thing like a dirk among sailors. In combat conditions, the commanders and comrades will run with a machine gun, not a gun. The generals issued TTTs for the new army pistol in the late 40s, and these were generals who, in their experience, knew which pistol was needed for the army and war. So lovers of faulting PM question: are you really more than Zhukov, Rokossovsky and other marshals, do you know which gun is needed for the army?
    3. san4es
      san4es 10 January 2018 18: 11
      +8
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Ehh, when in Russia they will learn how to make normal pistols ...


      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 18: 17
        +3
        So far, only attempts. GSH-18, a pistol of Yarygin and Lebedev is good. But the presence of childhood diseases kills.

        That PB is the thing.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 January 2018 18: 11
      +7
      Quote: Sands Career General
      Ehh, when in Russia they will learn how to make normal pistols ...

      Seriously do not know how?
      Berdysh OTs-27 is no worse than Glock or Zig Sauer ... only now it was released in a small batch and it was not modernized and worked on it.
      But the machine is not inferior to Western models in anything ...
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 18: 19
        +6
        About OTs-27 and OTs-33 I agree 100%.

        But why not armed?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 January 2018 18: 22
          +5
          Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
          But why not armed?

          Because Makaritch also arranged for our Moscow Region and no one bothered with all this ... and now they are already creating OTs-122. The scalpel is silent ...
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 18: 28
            +6
            And nothing has changed. Makar is a police weapon, but an army, as much as possible unified, is needed.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 10 January 2018 18: 30
              +4
              Quote: Sands Career General
              And nothing has changed. Makar is a police weapon, but an army, as much as possible unified, is needed.

              For me, they wouldn’t be foolish, but they would modify Berdysh ... perhaps they would make it easier by applying plastic, again making a reinforced cartridge 9 * 21 and putting them into series. The machine is luxurious and reliable like Kalashnikov. In this case, the experts then adopted it, and they will not take any crap.
              1. Sands Careers General
                Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 18: 34
                +4
                Here I am about that. And then they take an example from the Americans, they spend money do not understand what, a lot of unnecessary developments, despite the fact that there are already normal projects.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 10 January 2018 19: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: Sands Career General
                  Here I am about that. And then they take an example from the Americans, they spend money do not understand what, a lot of unnecessary developments, despite the fact that there are already normal projects.

                  All this stray with Picatinny straps is certainly great, but the pistol must first of all be trouble-free, convenient, and easy to learn ... there are wonderful samples of guns that we stupidly threw dust on the shelf and heroically invented the “bike” that was invented back in the 90s by the same Stechkin. At the same time, the army still does not have a new mass pistol that would replace Makarov, TT ... there are Vector projects, the same Viking, the Yarygin pistol, the same Swift, who had been trimmed for a long time and ended up getting zilch in the form of pneumatics ... I would like to ask the Ministry of Defense on this issue. Why didn’t you please gentlemen Berdysh?
                  1. Sands Careers General
                    Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 19: 12
                    +4
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    I would like to ask the Ministry of Defense on this issue. Why didn’t you please gentlemen Berdysh?


                    This is the point.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 10 January 2018 19: 27
                      +4
                      Quote: General of the Sand Quarries
                      This is the point.

                      God bless him and Berdysh ... because there is OTs-23 Dart ... and its modernized variation. What is not a gun for the army?

                      True caliber 5,45 ... but who prevents it from doing more and processing it?
                      1. Sands Careers General
                        Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 19: 36
                        +4
                        Honestly, these pistols, such as the OTs did not touch. But I wanted to. Only variations on the theme of our and Western, all different.
                      2. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 10 January 2018 19: 53
                        +4
                        So it will be another gun, however laughing
                      3. Dedall
                        Dedall 10 January 2018 19: 54
                        +1
                        It’s good to bullet bottles from such a thing - it’s definitely beating. And it burns with bursts almost without bullying. But the military is no good. Sorry, but I had experience with wounds received from him.
  3. looker-on
    looker-on 10 January 2018 17: 40
    +3
    Quote: Stock Officer
    Quote: Sands Career General
    Ehh, when in Russia they will learn how to make normal pistols ...


    Pistols are normal. And the fact that new developments are not accepted into service, so, apparently, it is not in the gunsmiths.

    Give an example please. Russian pistol with a clip 15+ and similar - + with Glock TTX
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 January 2018 18: 16
      +9
      Quote: looker-on
      Give an example please. Russian pistol with a clip 15+ and similar - + with Glock TTX

      Pernach (OTs-33), Berdysh (OTs-27), but on the way Scalpel (OTs-122) ... enough?
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 10 January 2018 18: 20
        +6
        Do not expect an answer from him. He does not admit his wrong. They do not know how.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 10 January 2018 18: 36
          +5
          See the discussion thread above. There are examples of forum users, and personally my ratings. And let's respect the forum participants.
      2. Razvedka_Boem
        Razvedka_Boem 10 January 2018 19: 48
        0
        If they will be in mass production and of normal caliber, for pistols at least 9-19 .. And the sales on the arms market are decent ..
        Then maybe enough ..
        And so .. Someone from the specialists kept .. And everyone else only saw in the catalogs ..
        Py.Sy. It's like with a car .. Missiles and tanks are great .. And all that is smaller .. - by the principle - And so it goes.
  4. Monarchist
    Monarchist 10 January 2018 17: 43
    +1
    Quote: zyzx
    They always knew how to do it, they simply don’t sell them to fools and don’t let the ads on YouTube.

    Can you name a WELCOME receiver: TT and PM? Yes, and the TT had a significant flaw: the store could fall out, and if in a combat situation! Read about it at the Beetle
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 17: 58
      +4
      The volume of the Beetle itself is, only TT and PM pistols are completely different in purpose. And the flaws in TT were only from the consequences of the military economy. And so it is still used, even Chinese.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 January 2018 18: 18
      +5
      Quote: Monarchist
      Can you name a WELCOME receiver: TT and PM?

      Look at the line of OTs pistols in Tula ... there are samples that are in no way inferior to Western cars.
    3. Korax71
      Korax71 11 January 2018 01: 56
      0
      The stopping effect of the bullet is too low. The probability of the need for a second shot is 60%. But they may not be able to do it.
  5. looker-on
    looker-on 10 January 2018 18: 02
    +4
    Quote: Monarchist
    Quote: zyzx
    They always knew how to do it, they simply don’t sell them to fools and don’t let the ads on YouTube.

    Can you name a WELCOME receiver: TT and PM? Yes, and the TT had a significant flaw: the store could fall out, and if in a combat situation! Read about it at the Beetle


    Yes, URA patriots the main thing is to shout that we have "no analogs" and as you ask for an example, there is only one answer: they told you everything, the secret is the same. But there is! Everything is, do not hesitate!

    My personal opinion is that we are seriously behind in small arms in terms of ergonomics (please correct if it’s not right, but the PM seems to not even be equipped with a cheek for left-handed people, only the right-handed people serve in our army and internal), target designation and fitting the gun to the fighter. The Picatini bar is the simplest and we can’t give the troops from the factory.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 January 2018 19: 07
      +7
      The Picatinny rail to give the troops. “Warrior”, where do you live and where did you serve? You prik6 economy first alterations AK for military needs. Further, the cost of body kits on this bar, for troops (in numbers). But when you consider the feasibility of a massive alteration of the AK, then state your own .... Specialists have long used AK and straps, handles, and body kits. Here we need a new AK or AEK - yes.
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 10 January 2018 19: 20
        +3
        Lesha, salute! hi For AK, there have long existed body kits with Piccatiny-rail from both Western and domestic manufacturers.
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Here we need a new AK or AEK - yes.

        I subscribe to your words! soldier
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 10 January 2018 23: 05
          +5
          Pasha, hi. Yes, it infuriates when an unattended miracle (you can see from the comment) is trying to be clever. After all, you know yourself, specials have been wearing skirts for a long time. One thing but most puts for their hard-earned money. This is not right.
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 11 January 2018 09: 32
            +2
            Quote: Okolotochny
            One thing but most puts for their hard-earned money. This is not right.

            I know, Lesha, and I strongly disagree with that. negative
      2. Korax71
        Korax71 11 January 2018 01: 58
        0
        Yeah. Use. Only its price tag becomes such that it is easier to take the mku with a kit.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 January 2018 21: 54
      +3
      Quote: looker-on
      Yes, URA patriots the main thing is to shout that we have "no analogs" and as you ask for an example, there is only one answer: they told you everything, the secret is the same. But there is! Everything is, do not hesitate!

      I read and this is what I will answer you ..
  6. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 10 January 2018 18: 27
    0
    The color of this gun ....... uhhh? For Ali Babais in the desert?
  7. SPLV
    SPLV 10 January 2018 18: 33
    +6
    Quote: looker-on
    PM seems not even equipped with a cheek for lefties

    In more detail about a cheek at a pistol. Yeah. At PM. And where should he attach the Picatinny rail. And also to add a ballistic computer. And to AK the sight of Leopold. And the tank has wings. And so that under its own power swam to America, 45 knots under water. A fighter armor 200 millimeters.
    What nonsense ?! Each item must meet the requirements for it. Maybe even advise Derringer to advise to fix? It was more convenient to aim.
    Fairy-tale dreamer. Before you write, you need to think.
  8. looker-on
    looker-on 10 January 2018 18: 52
    +1
    Quote: SPLV
    And where should he attach the Picatinny rail


    About the bar, it was generally about small arms in Russia, do not go too far. Will we discuss her need and need or decide that this is all from the evil and the machinations of the decaying west?
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 10 January 2018 20: 11
      +6
      Why on the gun this bar? He is so dusty in his holster, the main weapon is an automatic weapon. At 15-25 meters, if he suddenly presses, and without a bar you will get.
    2. SPLV
      SPLV 10 January 2018 20: 28
      +3
      That is, the cheek of a Makarov pistol does not bother. Okay. In fact. Rail or bar thing is useful, but not everyone needs it and is not a panacea for misses when shooting or bad shooters. Hunting Vepri and Saigi are present on the market with staffing levels, therefore production is possible for army models. I think we can conclude that the Ministry of Defense did not express a desire for mass purchases of such weapons. Or should the plants produce upgrade kits, deliver to parts, assemble (which is not difficult, but requires some money), at your own expense?
      Hope clarified?
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 10 January 2018 23: 07
        +5
        Nope, you should show it on fingers, on elephants, on cats.
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 10 January 2018 19: 38
    0
    good gun, but still yesterday
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 January 2018 19: 44
      +7
      Quote: Volka
      good gun, but still yesterday

      You tell Colt 911 ...
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 10 January 2018 23: 09
        +5
        By the way, there was a transfer for WWII pistols. Interestingly, the TT and P38 seem to have furnished both Colt, Nagan, and Luger. By penetration, I mean.
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        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 13 January 2018 07: 15
          +2
          Lesha, welcome hi I wanted to insert this video from YouTube, like I first stuck it, and then changed it to some other. I’ll try to insert it again, if there is a failure again, then this video is called "Pistols of the Second World War. Best samples"
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 14 January 2018 11: 06
            +4
            Seryoga, hello. It was about this video that he wrote. Thank.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 14 January 2018 16: 28
              0
              With all the holidays, you. drinks
              I also watched this video, remembered and found it, it was not difficult. For that clearly. hi
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 03: 25
        +1
        Colt 1911 is already outdated for the army. Reasons: 1) a huge cartridge with low penetration, 2) As a result of a large caliber, it is impossible to make a magazine double-row with a larger capacity, the capacity of 7 rounds is by modern standards, chickens to laugh, 3) the complexity of disassembling and assembling for cleaning, a lot of small parts that may be lost when cleaning in the field, 4) single-acting trigger, 5) excessive weight and dimensions.
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 11 January 2018 03: 29
          +1
          punching is unnecessary to him, because of his enormity, he simply kills with concussion once in any place
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 03: 32
            +1
            And if the adversary is in the armor? Bronik will cushion and cushion the bullet.
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 11 January 2018 05: 17
              0
              it means not the fact that he will kill but lose consciousness.
            2. Korax71
              Korax71 11 January 2018 23: 29
              +2
              Not much energy. 45 acres would be enough to send the enemy to rest even in armor. During the war, Tommy Gun was delivered under Lend Lease. Just under 45. the convoy was unloaded in Arkhangelsk. So, according to the evidence with this pp people went to hunt moose. And when hit, the effect was steeper than when shooting with a Mosin rifle. The same 7.62x54 pierced the moose’s carcass through and through it very little energy was transferred to the body and the animal could go away and could even die. But the 45 gauge stopped the animal in place, so much so that She really did not want to get up. When hit in the body, a hydrodynamic shock occurs, because the body is 70% water. Moreover, the water hammer itself has much more serious consequences than a steering wound.
          2. cherrybuster
            cherrybuster 11 January 2018 19: 28
            0
            if only by the gun to get))
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 12 January 2018 08: 26
              0
              see comment above
  10. TOPchymBA
    TOPchymBA 10 January 2018 19: 50
    +1
    The main thing is to be able to shoot and that the weapon was reliable. The rest is from the evil one.
  11. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 10 January 2018 19: 55
    +2
    Typewriter. He doesn’t need an ordinary infantryman ..
    For others, there is an application.
  12. karelia-molot
    karelia-molot 10 January 2018 22: 05
    +3
    I don’t know, I’m afraid to seem like a nearby retrograde, but ... As for me, it’s difficult to come up with a fighter for a regular army. I will explain the position.
    Operational:
    + Simple and unpretentious. You can clean as much as possible. Something about *** to lose when cleaning - you need to manage. In addition to the ramrod from regular cabaret)
    + Reliable - no comment
    + Safe. Itself does not shoot at anyone, even with a cartridge in the barrel and a shot before - squeezing it out by chance by self-cocking is simply unrealistic
    + Compact enough and not heavy
    Combat:
    + Small BC. 8 rounds of ammunition do not give a sense of self-confidence even once. And therefore, there is no desire to “fight with a gun in his hands”.
    + Difficult reloading - see the previous paragraph. But at the same time, the realization that you have 8 more rounds encourages you to find a safe place to reload.

    Let me explain why not the cons, but the pros. The main tasks of an army pistol are to discipline a raging unarmed element, shoot yourself, or give the soldier a feeling of at least some kind of armament in case of loss of combat capability of the main weapon. The first two options are no comment. In the third case, if it came to APPLYING a pistol, then the ideal scenario is to blow your legs, because you already made a mess of your battle. Makar, in contrast to the same Stechkin, stimulates on a subconscious level not to play war games, but to bring him down. And this is his indisputable plus. And hitting an enemy with a pistol in army conditions is not necessary at all ...
    1. Victor Wolz
      Victor Wolz 10 January 2018 23: 37
      0
      in vain do you think so, to kill the enemy and have equal, at least, chances should be at all distances of the battle. PM can be easily remade for the civilian market a soft bullet cartridge 9x17, a convenient Defem handle and a good fart. It will kill only if you put it in the eye or put your mouth in it. I think maybe it's worth taking a closer look at the new 5,7 caliber and the FN pistol? They say that 4 level of protection of body armor pierces from 20 meters. If Glock makes a gun under 5.7 then this will be a revolution.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 03: 31
        +1
        Quote: Victor Wolz
        PM can be easily remade for the civilian market a soft bullet cartridge 9x17, a convenient Defem handle and a good fart. It will kill only if you put it in the eye or put your mouth in it.

        Another couch strategist? Even from a trauma with an energy of 91 J and a rubber bullet can be killed when hit in the head from a distance of less than 3 m. In the USA, .22LR caliber revolvers are popular as a weapon of self-defense, and Americans are experts in weapons. Compare power 9 * 18 cartridges and a small cartridge is simply ridiculous.
        1. Victor Wolz
          Victor Wolz 11 January 2018 19: 48
          0
          But do not shoot in the head during self-defense is a murder, is it not clear? You wouldn’t need to google about this cartridge a bit at first, and then compare.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 11 January 2018 20: 25
            0
            Well, of course! Where am I to you, the general sofa expert, to you!
            1. Victor Wolz
              Victor Wolz 11 January 2018 21: 47
              +1
              Thank you for rating, but in order not to be unfounded I advise you to watch Vlad Borisych’s video about FN Five-seveN. .
  13. shura7782
    shura7782 10 January 2018 22: 19
    +1
    There would be a choice of a pistol model in parts, and there a real vote passed, which gun is better. Personally, my opinion is that the one that sits well in the hand is all. In aviation, this thing is of very rare use. I would generally choose a ladies' pistol, because in a daily outfit he doesn’t pull the kabur on the belt. smile
    But seriously, I came across a TT in Afghanistan and was pleasantly surprised. Stechkin was with our pilots. This bandura had only one significant plus - this is a larger number of rounds in the store and then for shooting from a state of rest. Only one pilot was satisfied. Because he had fists with a beer mug and hefty himself. For a real specialist, it’s all the same what to shoot from and so will fall. And we are not specialists, we shot very rarely, aiming long on straight legs. laughing
  14. Chever
    Chever 10 January 2018 23: 13
    +1
    What is the point of arguing which gun is better No.
  15. Maz
    Maz 10 January 2018 23: 35
    0
    Quote: kebeskin
    A good company can make good pistols

    Let a couple of three stores shoot in the cold in Novosibirsk, for example, at the shooting range academy, now it’s just not hot in “u”
    1. locos
      locos 11 January 2018 00: 42
      +4
      Glock 20 uses the Greenland Patrol Sirius. Do you think there are frosts in Greenland))). Alaskan police also use the Glocks. There probably are no frosts either)))
      1. CooL_SnipeR
        CooL_SnipeR 11 January 2018 11: 29
        0
        Quote: Locos
        Alaska Police

        Quote: Locos
        Greenland Patrol

        There are probably so many criminals that there’s nowhere for an apple to fall laughing I’m not sure that they shot from them except at a dash when warm ... and the fact that glock can fall apart at a low temperature is a well-known fact, our GS-18 also suffers
  16. den3080
    den3080 11 January 2018 01: 09
    0
    “The G19X was designed for the military and is a practical everyday wear gun that will do what you need and when you need, regardless of external factors
    “Said Josh Dorsey, vice president of Glock.”
    And escapes for a beer?
  17. Northern warrior
    Northern warrior 11 January 2018 03: 41
    +1
    The gun is needed only by special forces soldiers as weapons of last chance and to civilians for self-defense. 99% of the pistols are useless against the enemy in armor, because getting into the head and limbs is much harder than getting into the carcass. The army needs a compact weapon that can provide high density fire. The best option in this case is a compact PP (up to 2 kg with an equipped magazine) under a powerful small-caliber cartridge.


    This weapon, of course, will not replace the machine gun, but at a distance of up to 100 m it will yield little to it.
    1. Victor Wolz
      Victor Wolz 11 January 2018 20: 03
      0
      Yes, it’s quite for pilots and tankers, heather with a 9x21 cartridge is very interesting.
      1. Northern warrior
        Northern warrior 12 January 2018 02: 10
        +1
        There are several negative points in SR-2:
        1. Rare cartridge 9x21 mm "Gyurza"
        2. Not entirely successful ergonomics PP
        3. Workmanship is not very
        I prefer the PP-2000, firing 9x19 mm PAIR cartridges. Russian versions of 9x19 mm are more powerful than NATO counterparts, especially the 7N31 cartridge. Was it worth using a rare ammunition in the CP-2, the whole secret of armor penetration of which is the design of the bullet?
        1. Victor Wolz
          Victor Wolz 12 January 2018 18: 00
          0
          I hope that the rare and expensive cartridge is a synonym for quality. Because during Yeltsinization and the subsequent recovery period from it, the manufacturing quality of cartridges has deteriorated greatly. Ergonomics and quality can be improved, I didn’t shoot from cp-2, but I held it in my hands at the 2017 Army. The PP-2000 is probably more suitable for the police and the Russian Guard.
  18. cherrybuster
    cherrybuster 11 January 2018 19: 22
    0
    Quote: hotrod
    but Glock, due to its low weight, really lifts the barrel when shooting

    learn how to work with your left hand