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The landing ship "Yamal" returned to Sevastopol from the Mediterranean with damage

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The large landing ship Yamal on December 30 collided with the bulk carrier Orka-2 from Sierra Leone in the Aegean Sea, the incident occurred due to the fault of a civilian vessel, the press service of the Black Sea reported fleet.


December 30 around 7 hours of the morning in the Aegean Sea during the passage of the Karpathos Strait (9-10 miles south of Rhodes) the cargo ship "Ork 2" under the flag of Sierra Leone, made the transition from Egypt to Turkey, collided with a large landing ship of the Black Sea Fleet Yamal, en route to Sevastopol from the Mediterranean Sea
- said the head of the department of information support of the Black Sea Fleet Vyacheslav Trukhachev

The landing ship "Yamal" returned to Sevastopol from the Mediterranean with damage


He stressed that as a result of the collision no one was hurt, while the ships remained on the move and continued to move to their destinations.

The incident arose due to the fault of the Ork-2 cargo ship, which, in violation of the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (MPPSS-72), following a parallel course and overtaking a Russian ship on the left side, not convinced that the overtaking was completed, sharply changed course to the right and made a collision
- V.Trukhachev declared.

According to him, the Russian side made a notarized statement of the sea protest, which outlines the circumstances of the incident for subsequent action to recover the damage caused by the perpetrator.

Earlier, some media reported that the large landing ship (BDK) "Yamal" of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF) received uncritical damage during a trip to the Mediterranean Sea, reports "Interfax-AVN"
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  1. MoJloT
    MoJloT 10 January 2018 15: 02
    +9
    It was necessary to issue a hull insurance.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 January 2018 15: 06
      +4
      To traffic cops could not get through.
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 10 January 2018 15: 07
        +1
        Yes, you can’t wait for them, as always, the Euro protocol and in their affairs.
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 10 January 2018 20: 06
          +2
          Stopudovo, the blonde on pink Lexus is to blame smile
      2. Sharky
        Sharky 10 January 2018 15: 09
        +9
        Yes bullshit, so - a scratch. Here, in our office, we entered a ship, so we entered laughing
        1. Sharky
          Sharky 10 January 2018 15: 10
          14
          And we have damage wassat
          1. PN
            PN 10 January 2018 15: 15
            +7
            Not a weak melon ...
            1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 10 January 2018 15: 16
              21
              However, the bulb hit the board. And Yamal didn’t receive a blow below the waterline. And the fire could be preventive of the guns to open.
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 11 January 2018 00: 43
                +7
                According to a good Russian Navy, be in wartime conditions - therefore, open fire on defeat in ANY ship that is approaching it! good
                It’s better to write an explanatory statement "at the expense of ammunition" bully than the "funeral" negative
            2. Sharky
              Sharky 10 January 2018 15: 25
              +3
              Not a weak melon ...

              Yeah, especially considering the length of our ship, and it is more than 250m. Insurance paid off wink.
              Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
              Yes, it’s clear that they simply piled their nose on the port side, maybe the Orka-2 didn’t have a bulb either. hi
              1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 10 January 2018 15: 39
                +1
                Quote: Sharky
                maybe the Orc-2 doesn’t have a bulb either

                It may well be
          2. MoJloT
            MoJloT 10 January 2018 15: 22
            +3
            Yes, I’ll probably have to paint, although it can turn out with a pencil.
          3. Brylevsky
            Brylevsky 10 January 2018 16: 57
            10
            I’m a little off topic, but the same “spectacular”, if this word is generally used here ... One of the ships of our company, now former ... the ship broke, the crew, fortunately, was saved by a passing ship, but they suffered poor fellows for the rest of their lives ...
            1. crambol
              crambol 10 January 2018 17: 16
              +7
              Hit the resonant wave.
              And the owner is greedy;
            2. Sharky
              Sharky 10 January 2018 22: 27
              +2
              Your feed then drifted a couple of weeks later, am I confusing this with another steamer? hi
              1. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 11 January 2018 04: 34
                +3
                Yes. Both parts kept for some time on the water ... on the bow there was a dangerous cargo, when water got there, a strong fire started. They tried to tow some part of the collapsing ship, but it sank as well. The steamer perished, one joy that the whole crew escaped. Although, as they saved by sailing in fuel oil, and then climbed onto the side of another container ship along the safety net, you won’t want such extreme sports to the enemy ...
                1. MoJloT
                  MoJloT 11 January 2018 09: 46
                  +1
                  Russian Post?
            3. MoJloT
              MoJloT 11 January 2018 13: 43
              +4
              Drive to Ashot, in a week will swim better than new.
          4. cormorant
            cormorant 11 January 2018 01: 50
            +1
            That also happens...
      3. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 10 January 2018 15: 13
        +2
        Or maybe he was a failed shahidmobile?
    2. avt
      avt 10 January 2018 15: 21
      17
      Quote: MoJloT
      It was necessary to issue a hull insurance.

      With 57mm sparks. Marimans relaxed on their way home! request Shuganut burnt Orcs needed.
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 January 2018 15: 23
        21
        here, too, it seems that some warship is trying to take a crap on a ram. guns. only guns!
        1. Brylevsky
          Brylevsky 10 January 2018 16: 27
          +3
          Quote: novel xnumx
          guns. only guns!

          By a peaceful cargo ship? Ordinary sailors are to blame for something? Even if it was a deliberate battering ram, only the captain of the ship could receive the task. Then shoot the captain (there were precedents in the domestic fleet), because the rest of the crew had nothing to do with, they themselves are hostages of the situation.
          1. shark
            shark 11 January 2018 09: 54
            +5
            To shoot, not to shoot. The choice of the captain's taste))) SA And here from the Syrian express one box was deleted. And no one is to blame, and probably even the guilty will cover the costs ... But the fact is the fact.
      2. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 10 January 2018 16: 43
        12
        Where to shoot? The ship goes in the strait, from left to right - the shore ... in front of other ships. Do you imagine the consequences of such a "shooting"? On any ship, to attract attention there is: 1) VHF radio station, channel 16, plus DSC, channel 70; 2) Sound alarm device, audibility range up to 2 nautical miles; 3) A powerful signal lamp, popularly referred to as the "Ratier", shining with a focused beam; 4) You can send "SMS" through the channel of the automatic identification system ... As an extreme case, the ship has 12 signal missiles (and the warriors have even more). They are not there for this, but in such a situation they can be shot in the direction of a dangerously maneuvering vessel in order to attract his attention ... I myself have never done so, and, God forbid, that I wouldn’t have to ... the first three methods were always enough . In general, I must say that when overtaking you need to be very careful. What's on the road, what's in the sea ...
        1. domnich
          domnich 10 January 2018 20: 19
          +7
          Quote: Brylevsky
          in such a situation, they can be shot in the direction of a dangerously maneuvering vessel to attract his attention ... I myself have never done so, and, God forbid, that I would not have to ... the first three methods were always enough


          But I had to repeatedly use this extreme option, when you are lying on a tack with the lights (signs) of a ship, limited in the ability to maneuver, but they do not respond to VHF. The sound cartridge "П-2" well draws attention.

          But in this case, there was too little time even for negotiations. We did not even have time to change the course to the right. Or maybe the narrowness did not allow to do this. Apparently, they didn’t have time to slow down either ...
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 10 January 2018 16: 35
      +4
      It was necessary to plant a gun from the cannon in order to bring the Negroes to their senses. And then they probably came down from the palm trees only yesterday, and they were put right behind the helm. wassat
      1. Labor
        Labor 10 January 2018 17: 12
        +4
        We are easy to beat
        1. water
          water 10 January 2018 18: 16
          +6
          Quote: Brylevsky
          Quote: novel xnumx
          guns. only guns!

          By a peaceful cargo ship? Ordinary sailors are to blame for something? Even if it was a deliberate battering ram, only the captain of the ship could receive the task. Then shoot the captain (there were precedents in the domestic fleet), because the rest of the crew had nothing to do with, they themselves are hostages of the situation.

          First "Estuary", now BDK !?
          Do we have, ship commanders completely forgot that they are military? Or do they have a fear of their own superiors and various kinds of military law enforcement officers more than responsibility for their own flag, ship and crew?
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 10 January 2018 21: 30
            +2
            While they agreed, we didn’t have time to oops. We got to the side.
            God forbid war, someone will protect us. (Words, not mine, but of a person very respected by me (peace be upon him)).
            Now the officer cannot make independent decisions - a point the size of a telescope.
            Example: According to the repair list, it must fill one of the tanks with a special solution. STOP work-we call the NEMS of the division.
            He showed all the documents, NEMS asked: Valera, but what are the problems, and it seems there is nothing, they worked normally on December 28.
            January 9, stop work, I have doubts, I ask NEMS to call? --- There are no new analyzes, DB. He gave analyzes from 28.12.17/XNUMX/XNUMX as he knew)))).
            This is how our ships are being repaired — they drove a Mercedes at the exit of a Bentley with terms shifted to the right by no means through industry.
            Boris Ivanovich Antipin (Scientist) Always, before you do something, you need to think for 2 weeks. (Wisely)
            1. VALERIK_097
              VALERIK_097 10 January 2018 21: 51
              +2
              It can be in vain compared with a subflight, but surface guards were always designated, it is possible and it will be designated as a queue.
              Words of the disrespectful BN: Border guards overslept (goat)
          2. Brylevsky
            Brylevsky 11 January 2018 05: 10
            +4
            You are asking the wrong person this question. I’m not the commander of a ship, so I won’t be able to answer you expertly ... Nevertheless, I am a sailor, and common sense tells me that in peacetime the use of weapons on a peace ship in international waters is, at least, an act piracy (Hey! International Convention on the Law of the Sea!), or at the very least - the start of a war against the country whose flag the ship carries. I think that the commander of the ship is a sensible person in all respects, neither people nor weapons will trust the other. Having made one mistake (rule 5 MPPSS-72 prescribes CONSTANT monitoring to prevent a collision), he clearly did not aggravate the situation. I must say that condemning the actions of another person is very easy. But this is wrong. At least from the point of view of ethics. There are special commissions to deal with accidents. Here, of course, you can “gossip” at will, no one will pull the tongue, but I assure you that the enthusiasm to reason what is right and what is not, will instantly disappear when a person is entrusted with the control of a ship or a ship. It's about how to drive a car in Moscow or Vladivostok ... excuse me for such a comparison, but it seems to me that it most clearly illustrates the situation.
            1. water
              water 11 January 2018 13: 22
              +5
              Quote: Brylevsky
              You are asking the wrong person this question. I’m not a ship commander, so I can’t answer you expertly ..

              I give a qualified answer based on good maritime practice: in an area of ​​intensive international shipping, in order to avoid undesirable navigation incidents at the heliport (in the wheelhouse) there should be a stock of long-range signal missiles and a Kalashnikov assault rifle with a stock of cartridges with tracer bullets. I assure you, the signal raid to the superstructure, and then the bullet tracks launched over the superstructure, make any boatmaster adequate, or compliant, whether it's a drunken fisherman, or a paid bulk carrier.
              And the commander of the BDK was supposed to interpret the ramming strike on board as an attempt to pirate attack. And act accordingly.
              1. Brylevsky
                Brylevsky 12 January 2018 07: 03
                +2
                I heard you. Now listen to what I tell you. All ships and ships, including in peacetime, operate in a single legal field. They are dominated by international conventions, rules, as well as departmental instructions that do not contradict the international laws of the maritime industry. For the failure of which there is, including criminal liability! I don’t know a single convention, not a single rule, and not a single instruction that governs the presence of a weapon ready for firing on a ship’s bridge ... The gun is located only at the officer on duty on the ship (and I only saw the PM at the base) and the commander in the safe. All other weapons are in the arsenal, sealed ... Now let's move on to the other side of the issue. You open spectacular shooting tracers, oh, kay, that's your business. From now on, the cameras of all mobile phones will be riveted to your ship. Machine-gun bullets completely wow recycle from the water and fly wherever they want, because there are waves in the sea. And the ships go in the strait ... all around the shore. And other ships. Can you guarantee that these bullets will not hit anyone? The same goes for flares. How do you know what kind of cargo the ship is carrying? Do you imagine the consequences? The right to use weapons on a civilian ship is reserved only to ships and border guard vessels. And even then ... after a number of procedures.
                1. water
                  water 12 January 2018 19: 48
                  +3
                  I’ve been in reserve for more than ten years. However, ships and warships of narrowness passed and are now on alert for war (immediate readiness to use weapons), and in areas of lively international shipping, both then and now, an anti-sabotage watch must be put on. I emphasize - armed anti-sabotage watch! And first of all it concerns the commander and his watch officer.
                  Another issue is that the presence of danger to the ship and its crew is assessed by the ship's commander. What decision he makes is fulfilled.
                  I believe that in this case the commander not only underestimated the danger, but also missed the time for the evasion maneuver. Actually, the officer in charge missed, but he acted as taught by the commander!
                  And if the dry cargo ship had not an ordinary oblique stem, but a bow bulb? - In this case, our BDK would go after the "Estuary".
                  As I understand it, your position can be expressed by the words: "No matter what happens !?" - That’s what the actions of the BDK commander show.
      2. Sasha_Sar
        Sasha_Sar 11 January 2018 15: 40
        +3
        Anyone can fly under the flag of Sierra Leone, including the Russians ...
    4. bistrov.
      bistrov. 11 January 2018 18: 52
      +2
      Quote: MoJloT
      It was necessary to issue a hull insurance.

      Casco? It was necessary to shmatanut on this bulk carrier from AK-726, so that the spray flew in all directions, at once they would bypass everything for 20 km.
  2. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 10 January 2018 15: 13
    10
    So they got one of the "Mediterranean" couriers. Too many matches. The shelling of the bases of Khmeinim, Tartus, the attack of drones, the flight of "Poseidon" near the Crimea. Sunset American destroyer in the Black Sea. Taran BDK "Yamal". Everything happens at about the same time ... Maybe I am too suspicious, but there are too many coincidences.
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT 10 January 2018 15: 25
      +4
      I don’t know about shelling, drones and everything else, but this accident definitely looks suspicious. Pulling on the auto-support.
    2. ando_bor
      ando_bor 10 January 2018 17: 19
      +1
      Quote: 30 vis
      to skim?

      Maybe something is really a coincidence, but it would be foolish to expect that the Americans, having received a bunch of kicks and cracks, with their tail folded, will hide behind the ocean.
    3. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 10 January 2018 22: 57
      0
      They would try to ram the Yauzu, I know for sure that there would be something with the submarine, there would be no radio negotiations with the merchant, either.
      A set of reinforced L.K. how balls would bounce any ships
  3. kepmor
    kepmor 10 January 2018 15: 13
    +2
    vague doubts torment me, however ... and not whether this Sierra Leonean was "mishandled by the Cossack" ...
    but seriously, it’s sad ... so the “Syrian Express” is breathing well in order ...
    1. demo
      demo 10 January 2018 15: 35
      +2
      It was necessary to immediately captain, starpom and a couple of the crew from the plane and to Novoross.
      There, military counterintelligence will quickly ask the necessary questions and get the right answers.

      Disappearance of team members - TP related damage.
  4. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 10 January 2018 15: 19
    +1
    The machinations of the Washington regional committee?)))
    And to be honest, I don’t understand at all how, with the modern level of technology and navigation, two huge vessels can collide. Held drunken handshakes?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 January 2018 15: 40
      +6
      Overtaking. They thought that they had slipped — the Russians were slowing down. Therefore, you can put in line. They gave a turn. The Russians did not slow down the move - they overestimated their move. Piled on board. Classic.

      Perhaps another ship was going into their forehead and they decided to cut off the Russians - to return to the line.
      1. 11 black
        11 black 10 January 2018 17: 50
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        Overtaking. They thought that they had slipped — the Russians were slowing down. Therefore, you can put in line. They gave a turn. The Russians did not slow down the move - they overestimated their move. Piled on board. Classic.
        Perhaps another ship was going into their forehead and they decided to cut off the Russians - to return to the line.

        Well, just like on our roads ... laughing
    2. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 10 January 2018 16: 01
      +5
      Quote: Sergeant71
      ... as with the current state of the art and navigation, two huge vessels may collide.

      And what is this level, what do you think? Well, there are locators, automatic radar plotting systems (ARPA in our opinion or ARPA "in their way"), maybe electronic cartography (ECDIS) ... and that's it. Unfortunately, these tools will not be thought of as a navigational assistant captain or navigator. The main difficulty lies in making a decision, and the person in this case is the "weak link". Shortage of time, inadequate assessment of the developing situation, nervous situation on the navigation bridge, and now, please ... well, at least this time there were no casualties. The shipping company, where I used to work, was a tragic incident: one of our container ships at the exit from Hong Kong ran into a local cabot with a load of cement. As a result, 11 corpses, because the booster immediately sank, no one managed to jump out, except for the Chinese watch officer who was on the bridge at that moment ... Everyone was sober. Both made a mistake in assessing the situation and both made the wrong decisions on the discrepancy. "Man tends to make mistakes" ... unfortunately.
  5. Herculesic
    Herculesic 10 January 2018 15: 21
    +2
    Adversary crap, or really, a coincidence? recourse
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 10 January 2018 15: 44
      +9
      Ordinary. These obviously were not martyrs, but threw themselves under the ship. It happens so.

      Or here.

    2. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 10 January 2018 16: 17
      +6
      Collision of ships, if this is not a deliberate ram, it is always a "chain" of human errors. In most straits there is always intense shipping, this is no exception. Heavy traffic implies a danger of collision, in this sense the road and the sea road are very similar. Only the speeds and inertial characteristics of the “vehicles” are very different ... Personally, this collision reminds me more of a deliberate act than an error: well, a navigator cannot change course without first making sure that it is safe ... this is the alphabet in us it is "hammered", starting from the first course, and ending with the fifth ... So I am inclined to believe that
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Adversary crap
      1. Borgeze
        Borgeze 10 January 2018 18: 09
        0
        I agree, adversary!
  6. Alex-a832
    Alex-a832 10 January 2018 15: 37
    +3
    Apparently there is a two-lane, overtaking on the oncoming lane, and even at the end of the ascent, was afraid that he wouldn’t miss out with the oncoming one :-D Stupid situation - maybe a diversion ...
  7. cannabis
    cannabis 10 January 2018 15: 45
    +5
    There is nothing to guess. Airplane over Sinai - on the day of evil spirits. Tu - 154 over the Black Sea - on Christmas Day. Mortar shelling (DRG) - in the New Year. Attack of drones - on Orthodox Christmas. More than 2 matches is already a system.
  8. Alexy
    Alexy 10 January 2018 15: 45
    +4
    More like a deliberate collision.
  9. Pacifist
    Pacifist 10 January 2018 15: 46
    +3
    It was necessary to deploy a gun mount and give a salvo at the rate. I think after such a warning he would quietly merge and slow down. Launched a cargo ship at the helm ... freaks with brain liquefaction.
  10. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 10 January 2018 15: 47
    +1
    cramped the courts ..... wink
  11. tchoni
    tchoni 10 January 2018 16: 05
    0
    I can even argue that the star-strikers of this Orc would sink ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 January 2018 16: 24
      +4
      Quote: tchoni
      I can even argue that the star-strikers of this Orc would sink ...


      At 12 a.m. on August 2012, 78, in the Strait of Hormuz, the American destroyer DDG 5 Porter (of the Arleigh Burke type Flight II) from the XNUMXth fleet of the U.S. Navy collided with a Japanese commercial oil supertanker under the Panamanian flag Otowasan.
      The supertanker is owned by the Japanese company MOL (Mitsui OSK Lines) Tankship Management Asia and was built in Japan by Kawasaki Shipbuilding Corporation at Sakaide Shipyard in 2005. The deadweight of the supertanker is 302477 tons, the tonnage is 160292 gt, the length is 334 meters, the width is 60 meters. Otowasan in cargo followed from the port of Das Iceland (UAE) to the exit from the Persian Gulf. At the narrowest point of the Strait of Hormuz, the supertanker Otowasan rammed a destroyer on the starboard side into the area of ​​the bow superstructure and bridge. Porter remained afloat and kept moving, and tanker damage in general, apparently, was minimal. Of the people as a result of the collision, no one was seriously injured. After the collision, the destroyer arrived at the port of Jebel Ali (Dubai, UAE), and the supertanker proceeded to the Fujairah (UAE) raid, where he stood on barrels.
      © bmpd
      1. faiver
        faiver 10 January 2018 16: 53
        0
        Well, shooting a tanker from close range is tantamount to suicide ... hi
        1. Borgeze
          Borgeze 10 January 2018 18: 08
          +1
          And nearby, weak?
          1. Brylevsky
            Brylevsky 12 January 2018 07: 19
            0
            Yes, weak. Because for the use of weapons on a peace ship in international waters, the commander of the ship will be convicted and imprisoned. And the commander of the ship knows this very well, otherwise he would not have been a commander. Otherwise, he would have served his whole life in old posts or would have been sawing wood in the sultry Magadan, if he had forgotten about it.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 January 2018 16: 36
      +3
      By the way, our "Hassan" in the Straits in 1985 generally managed to sink the Turkish P-325 RCA by ramming it:
  12. faiver
    faiver 10 January 2018 16: 54
    +1
    Have Yamal that ammunition is over?
  13. afrikanez
    afrikanez 10 January 2018 17: 23
    +1
    Do they have there that some "blondes" go to captains? laughing
  14. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 10 January 2018 17: 45
    0
    Quote: MoJloT
    Yes, you can’t wait for them, as always, the Euro protocol and in their affairs.

    Do not generalize, for example we have them in - 37 tracks and draw up a minimum of Euro protocols ... It’s even a pity when you see it. Well, civilization did not reach the North ...
  15. Borgeze
    Borgeze 10 January 2018 18: 05
    +1
    I would give a volley to BEDEK, maybe I got a medal at home. And so, just disgraced. MIC Khan (
    1. Borgeze
      Borgeze 10 January 2018 18: 07
      0
      What for bz to carry. And what do they (the warriors) then consider an attack? ...
      1. Brylevsky
        Brylevsky 12 January 2018 07: 12
        0
        Fire exposure or attempted armed capture.
  16. Nemesis
    Nemesis 10 January 2018 18: 08
    +2
    It seems that warships of the Russian Federation are rammed intentionally ... Anyway, the captains of the military courts of the Russian Federation must open fire to protect the ships and crews entrusted to them ... The winners are not judged, and the perpetrator of the death of the ship and personnel will never be washed away from the stigma of shame ... The commander must save his ship and crew, if he could not, let him take off his epaulets and go to the wipers ...
  17. Old26
    Old26 10 January 2018 18: 20
    +4
    Well, everyone is ready to melt everyone in a row. A warship and unarmed, yushchada in neutral waters - you know how to qualify. And if someone’s warship gets into our cargo ship like that? Probably the number of people who want to use weapons in the left and right would decrease
  18. Old26
    Old26 10 January 2018 18: 22
    +1
    Well, everyone is ready to melt everyone in a row. A warship yes unarmed, and in neutral waters - you know how to qualify it. And if someone’s warship gets into our cargo ship like that? Probably the number of people who want to use weapons in the left and right would decrease
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 10 January 2018 19: 21
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Well, everyone is ready to melt everyone in a row. A warship yes unarmed, and in neutral waters - you know how to qualify it. And if someone’s warship gets into our cargo ship like that? Probably the number of people who want to use weapons in the left and right would decrease

      Heh heh heh ... I can imagine - what a flurry of righteous anger would rise if the same "Porter" would hit the rammed tanker of 5 ". smile
  19. foreman
    foreman 10 January 2018 18: 40
    +2
    THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF AN ATTACK, AND NOT THE FIRST TIME. WATER IT WAS NEEDED AND LET THERE ON THE SHIPS ARE SUGGING
  20. Vanin
    Vanin 10 January 2018 20: 37
    +6
    How everything is stereotyped and vile gentlemen ..! Why OURS did not shoot, enough is already afraid of the "world media" .. Oh Russia!
    In the days of the USSR, Russians were not afraid of anyone and did not make excuses! There was time and pride in the country and a sense of unity and the POWER of the whole country!

    Now this is not possible ... soldier
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 10 January 2018 22: 37
      +4
      The American went into ter. USSR water! This time! The second in this situation were the warships of the USA and the USSR. And not a "peaceful" bulk carrier .. The stinks of "world media" raised to b heaven. Our TFR performed a feat that was not appreciated by the head of the CPSU Gorbachev and watered by the bureau of the Soviet Communist Party .... I remember Sevastopol was seething! We discussed this situation. What is called "Offspring as an example!"
    2. Hadji Murat
      Hadji Murat 11 January 2018 15: 25
      0
      there was no sense in this anyway ....
  21. zloybond
    zloybond 10 January 2018 21: 04
    +1
    if they shot a dry cargo ship and drowned along with the team, then others would have no desire to create provocative situations in general.
    1. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 12 January 2018 07: 10
      0
      If they shot a dry cargo ship with the crew, the ship's commander would be put on trial, even now. In Soviet times, he would simply be shot. Him, the old man and the political officer, to the heap. Shooting in peacetime in international waters, with human casualties, Karl!
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 14 January 2018 17: 45
        0
        one hell: provocateurs ramming our fleet to shoot and hang.
  22. Old26
    Old26 10 January 2018 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: VANIN
    How everything is stereotyped and vile gentlemen ..! Why OURS did not shoot, enough is already afraid of the "world media" .. Oh Russia!
    In the days of the USSR, Russians were not afraid of anyone and did not make excuses! There was time and pride in the country and a sense of unity and the POWER of the whole country!

    Now this is not possible ... soldier

    Most likely you didn’t hear about the ram of our destroyer by the ARK ROYAL aircraft carrier. They got better and more, until they proved it. But they didn’t shoot in neutral waters or on a peace ship because it would be regarded as at least an act of piracy. And then the commander would definitely have to take off his epaulettes
    1. bk316
      bk316 11 January 2018 18: 54
      +4
      then the commander would definitely have to take off his epaulettes

      Among the commanders of the BDK there should be no bills - he wouldn’t shoot at a peace ship, and even at parallel courses.
  23. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 11 January 2018 15: 24
    0
    sabotage, provocation or accident?
  24. bk316
    bk316 11 January 2018 18: 52
    +4
    It is good that the majority of the noted “pullers” here will not only be allowed to control the ship or ship seriously, but will not be allowed to take a small boat. Otherwise, you would have to sit on the shore - with so many inadequacies in the water there is nothing to do. It’s easy to figure it out on the road with brainless bullies, but the sea of ​​stupidity does not forgive.
  25. Sige
    Sige 11 January 2018 21: 36
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    Missiles, torpedoes, mortars ... ... all this is yesterday.
    A barge with a ram is tomorrow's naval weapons.

    How could a civilian ship even get close to a warship at least at a distance of a shot?
    1. Brylevsky
      Brylevsky 12 January 2018 02: 44
      0
      Elementary Watson. In the straits, there are separation zones, recommended paths and courses for everyone to follow, both civilian and military. Maritime shipping is, above all, commercial shipping, which equalizes the rights and duties of both civilian ships and warships. An example of this is the rules of MPPSS-72, as well as a number of other international legal acts. As one of the distinguished authors noted above, most of the "shooters" here have nothing to do with shipping, otherwise they would not have written such a heresy. It is necessary to listen first of all to those who themselves are the skipper or navigator of the ship or ship. Because we are taught not only navigation and astronomy, but also international law. Sorry for being blunt.
  26. Dormidont
    Dormidont 11 January 2018 21: 49
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    Our Western and Middle Eastern partners have always loved to crap with other people.