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JDC began developing a promising helicopter engine

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In Russian United Engine Corporation report that work has begun, which ultimately should lead to the creation of a promising helicopter engine. It is also about the model VK-2500M. From the message of the press service of the JDC:
The development of a promising helicopter engine VK-2500М has begun, the features of which will be increased power with a reduced weight, modularity of the structure, and the possibility of operation according to the technical condition. A scientific and technical reserve is also being formed to create fundamentally promising new helicopter engine (PDV)designed for helicopter technology of the future.



The report says that last year were successfully tested the latest modification of the engine VK-2500. This VK-2500PS, which has improved performance.

For reference: VK-2500 engines were developed in 2001 year. This is a new stage in the development of TV3-117. Experts call one of the most important characteristics of this engine - high fuel economy, modern control automation system and increased power. For the production of engines of the VK-2500 line, a cooperation has been established, which includes the design and production complex of AO Klimov, not far from St. Petersburg.

JDC began developing a promising helicopter engine


VK-2500 engine provides the helicopter with an increased 30% ceiling and 50% speed of climb. There is also an increase in tonnage on the 1-2 tons, taking into account the type of helicopter. VK-2500 is installed, in particular, on the Mi-28. The declared engine resource is 9 thousand hours.


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  1. san4es
    san4es 10 January 2018 13: 27
    +1
    The development of the promising VK-2500M helicopter engine has begun
    soldier
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 10 January 2018 14: 01
      +1
      If we talk about real promising engines, then we need to talk about the propulsion combined according to the principle of direct transfer of energy to the engine, and not vice versa. But apparently it is too early to talk about it. Such decisions are perceived as fantastic and in absentia without considering the decision itself are doomed to oblivion. Such is the essence of important discoveries and inventions, that time must pass. So that there comes a period when a straw is grabbed. Every discovery and invention must have a need
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 10 January 2018 14: 08
        +1
        possibility of operation according to technical condition

        Serious application, success in implementation
      2. Spez
        Spez 10 January 2018 15: 29
        +3
        it is necessary to talk about the propulsion combined according to the principle of direct energy transfer to the engine, and not vice versa
        Those. in other words, should fuel come from the engine to the fuel tank?
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 10 January 2018 15: 50
          +1
          Well, why is it so primitive. The electromagnetic circuit is self-leveling or there comes a moment of balance. In other words, for the circuit to perform some useful work, it must be included in the process. It is necessary to create a potential difference or tension at the key points of this circuit. The electric current is already a combination of a set of such parameters that determine the electric disturbance vector. magnetic pulse along the circuit. Therefore, when we consider our model of the spatial contour in which the air stream enters the engine-mover in which the kinetic and potential energy of this stream is transformed into the energy of mass rejection as a disturbance pulse through the density in the form of the difference in the dynamic state of the air being discharged relative to the flight space, here we say that the circuit tends to balance in the framework of the thermodynamic process, which means that the supporting flight is lost. Therefore, the inertia or “self-inductance” of space towards maintaining a balanced energy state is the brake of the whole process. Moreover, the use of this "self-inductance" as a complex physical processes. Therefore, in our case, we do not use the energy of hydrocarbon fuel or another to create a thermodynamic process in an engine that is actually divorced from the flight environment, but use the potential of the medium itself. All this is orders of magnitude more profitable and optimally more efficient than burning fuel and generating energy. By the way, everything is very accurately associated with Tesla’s arguments that it’s energetically more beneficial not to “pump” water or air into the tank, but it is easier to divert them, creating physical conditions and an optimal interaction with the environment for this ..
          1. Spez
            Spez 10 January 2018 16: 01
            +4
            Why should Tesla be dragged into this heresy for credibility? So it would be better to draw a drawing, with numbers.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 10 January 2018 16: 14
              +1
              I don’t know to what extent you are perceived. By the way, Tesla is the founder of such an approach that the increasing air pressure creates more favorable conditions for the propulsion. After all, a simple screw and all its derivatives do not use the centrifugal force vector for their rotation. and many other physical possibilities .. Well, as for the drawings, I think that you did not think when you said it.
              1. Spez
                Spez 10 January 2018 17: 32
                +1
                Well, as for the drawings, I think that you did not think when you said it.

                Those. you don’t have them, you have nothing but a set of phrases from the course of kefirodynamics.
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 10 January 2018 18: 10
                  +3
                  I admit that I have enough that I live in a country where many build illusions for themselves, and then on these fantasies illusory castles. So keep up the good work. I won’t make you a company. And do not worry about what is and what is not. And if someone thinks. If someone brings something to them on a silver platter, I wonder what you can offer for each combination of drawings, a sample, or maybe a finished engine, or maybe a finished helicopter with a new engine, or maybe I also have to pay you to be able to convince such "importance". Get down to the ground!
                  1. Spez
                    Spez 10 January 2018 18: 21
                    +2
                    Get down to the ground!

                    And can I fly in a helicopter using flawed and ineffective principles justified by Einstein, what will I walk on the ground with your theories, ok ?! hi
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 10 January 2018 18: 31
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                      Can! I also wish that the number of take-offs equal the number of landings. .As for theories, the Americans already say that they don’t need garage trinkets. They need scientific justification, or at least the physical effect, which has the ability to be scalable. By the way, the Internet is full of all kinds of such products, only the industrial world is still standing still.
                      1. Spez
                        Spez 10 January 2018 18: 43
                        +3
                        Again, general phrases about nothing. From the category "for those who understand" ...
              2. venik
                venik 10 January 2018 20: 15
                +2
                I don’t know to what extent you are perceived.
                =====
                Well of course! "gridasov" (the Greatest and the Unique) - is at an extremely "high" degree of "perception", and we are all "orphaned and wretched" - of course we will be "lower rank" .....
                It’s just that it seems to me that in reality, it is Mr. "gridasov" that is THE MOST "lower perceived" !! How else to take SIMPLE READING ?????
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 10 January 2018 21: 30
                  +1
                  Why all this? What did I do ? Talk about promising engines. And in general, who may be interested in what you think about the statements of someone you know that he has only one or another pseudonym.
                  1. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 10 January 2018 22: 13
                    +2
                    Everything is strictly framed laughing and the caption below is "typical @gridasov" laughing In general, the classics of the genre:

                    But seriously, maybe Gridasov’s brains are turned like that, in general, “everyone has their own cockroaches in their heads”.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 10 January 2018 22: 30
                      0
                      But if we move from particulars to general, it becomes obvious that only Gridasov constructively approaches the solution of the problem, and all the rest are either just outside observers of the action or banal squabbles and demagogues. Where are the specialists? At least one substantive refutation. I’m already most interested
                      1. Spez
                        Spez 11 January 2018 00: 53
                        +2
                        Refutation of what? Have you put forward a theory or hypothesis, or could you combine several phrases into one reasonable statement? Justified how your engine / propulsion works?
        2. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 10 January 2018 18: 33
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          apparently it meant the transfer of energy from the fuel tank directly to the mover (do not confuse with the engine!) bypassing the numerous stages of energy conversion as a result of which losses will disappear and efficiency will increase. There are such projects, even on VO one author showed up, a nickname like svvp, there were still a few people but I don’t remember nicknames. Yes, even I have a variant of such an engine. But a patent costs 100-150k rubles + taxes, it is issued for 10 years + a couple of years of renewal for an additional amount, and the development of the engine will take at least 10 years, even if you cut the TTZ and make the engine for 5 years, then the aircraft for this engine will still be developed 10-15 years , that is, it makes no sense to patent, because by the time of mass production (and production in general), manufacturers will simply wave a pen with the phrase "I'm sorry, your patent has expired, I won’t give any money." Of course there are all kinds of “innovative grants”, but it’s even more fun, especially for a long time neighing over one phrase littered with voluptuous phrases “tell us what your idea is, we’ll definitely write this info to our database for future generations, and we’ll be able to give you money” give " laughing There are still all sorts of “Rostecs” that make announcements “we accept applications” but to the question “how will we share the profit?” questions about the innovation itself begin (with engineers), and all objections to the "initial question of profit" are sent to the manager and superiors, who send engineers who do not care about the inventor’s profit, but are interested in the essence of innovation. In general, the problem is not in closets; the problem is in the heads; we do not have in Russia an effective system for collecting, analyzing, manufacturing and introducing innovative solutions. Is it possible to do better, is it done better in other states, etc. I’ll leave questions beyond the scope of this commentary thread.
          1. Spez
            Spez 10 January 2018 19: 02
            +2
            In general, the problem is not in closets. The problem is in the heads.

            Here I agree to all 146%
  2. viktorch
    viktorch 10 January 2018 13: 33
    0
    are they either or or + 1-2 tons, or + 50% rate of climb?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 10 January 2018 16: 49
      0
      As for the rate of climb and increasing it by + 50%, this is either a provocation or is it just a misunderstanding of the essence of the process. Any increase in the speed of rotation of the blades will increase the centrifugal drift of the flow, which does not correspond to the lift vector. Large radii of the blades are not amenable to bonding or ejection. We can do this a lot in steps, and these effects have been known to all specialists for a long time and they give a very, very significant physical effect .. Moreover, the same tangential ejection gives the most significant increase in the support flight.
  3. zhekazs
    zhekazs 10 January 2018 13: 39
    +1
    ceiling increased by 30% and rate of climb by 50%

    Impressive. If only we had such achievements in all sectors.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 10 January 2018 13: 44
      0
      All our achievements are measured at the rate of the American dollar. winked
    2. Don
      Don 10 January 2018 23: 20
      0
      we have no problems with this. Judging by official statistics, there is almost no inflation, the economy is growing, incomes are rising. And the reality ... however, why do you need to know the real numbers, you are not an agent of the State Department?
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 January 2018 13: 45
    0
    As I understand it, as part of the creation of the theater of operations for the IL-112/114, they got some results and decided to translate them into a helicopter theater. Theoretically, we need a new gearbox and blades to realize power.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 10 January 2018 13: 52
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      we need a new gearbox and blades to realize the power.

      Thanks for the help. Designers will definitely take it into account. good
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 10 January 2018 13: 54
        +2
        Better a small gift than a big hello!
      2. gridasov
        gridasov 10 January 2018 14: 25
        0
        What is needed is not new blades, but directing surfaces of the outflow, which will create a physical effect in which the converted kinetic and potential energy of the air flow will, and most likely will not need, an increase in the applied power with an increase in the energy parameters of the object’s flight. Moreover, in such a device as a reducer, there will be no need since destructive, blade propulsors, processes can be leveled. I note that destructive forces have not only the reasons underlying centrifugal forces, but also the rotation of the same elementary disk. After all, everyone knows that during the rotation of the same helicopter blades, each of them will not repeat the plane of rotation of the previous blade. They all have trajectories of an algorithmic order and these algorithms change as the rotation speed changes.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 10 January 2018 14: 28
          0
          You are right, but you do not need to increase the speed of rotation of the propeller in a helicopter, but what can you do with the increased torque and power by 30%. This despite the fact that the existing gearbox did not provide full torque transmission from VK-2500 before? I don’t know now.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 10 January 2018 14: 52
            0
            Torque and power are absolutely not needed to achieve high air productivity, which creates the reactive effect of the rejection of the masses of this air. In this case, we are only talking about the creation of anti-gravity forces on one vector. The new engine and propulsion concept allows for a more simplified and optimal, from an energy point of view, control of any direction of the rejected air flow and without changing the rotation speed of key mechanisms. At the same time, it is possible to use low rotational speeds of the key mechanism, but to keep the air flow at its periphery at sound levels. I'm not talking about the complete noiseless rotation of the mover. At a rotational speed of a test device of a certain radius of a rotating rotor of about fifty thousand rpm, only bearings buzzed. But this problem is being solved. And I am not talking about the very deep prospects for the development of the very method of organizing the physical process. The method is so simple, but its qualitative parameters are completely new as opportunities. This is fundamental
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 10 January 2018 18: 49
              0
              Are you talking about rotary systems with a "vacuum pad"? Well, there were several names, this is where the ring or disk-shaped rotor and ultrafast rotation speed as a result of which an air region is created near the rotor and due to this region all vibrations and noises are damped, and also fuel consumption is reduced? If so, then this conceptual model was abandoned due to the unresolved problem with the destruction of the damping region when the rotor angle is changed, or was a solution to the voiced problem found?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 10 January 2018 20: 19
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                No, we are talking about other solutions. In general, it is interesting to consider the very processes of searching for practical methods that would be real and practically applicable, and most importantly, could be so innovative that they could transfer us to a qualitatively new world of opportunities. It is like a labyrinth of options that has definite quantitative and qualitative initial ones. And from them we need to choose what would suit us. After all, it was correctly noted that decisions should be such. so as not to violate the evolutionary algorithm, but on the other hand would open the way to long-term prospects. This means that in the design we are talking about, we can use any fuel that is currently used in the first stages, but this is the path to fuel-free technology and the background is completely objective. There is no proportional increase in the size and mass of the engines, but there is an increase in the energy density with which you can work. Again, no one says that you can immediately make such an engine and put it into operation, but drones can certainly be created in the shortest period of time. But the problem arises of the loss of technological secrets. Therefore, you need to decide where you can apply this technology in order to stay with a priority bonus. I think you understand what I mean.? In general, it is really difficult to find such cooperation partners who would understand the whole depth of the emerging issues and innovative real breakthrough. Ask any inventor with a reputation and they will tell you what the hunt is for their developments. For the time being, we can conduct a public conversation precisely because few people understand the essence of such opportunities. Our solution is as simple as complex in that it has no justification on a modern theoretical scientific basis. But it has a justification at the level of electro magnetism. Therefore, we are talking about such developments that have fundamentally new methods for analyzing those processes that can be embodied in reality. This is a method that allows you to work with a set of processes that need not only to be coordinated, but also to measure their positive extremes. Otherwise, we will receive failures at intermediate stages and one process will be transformed into another without reaching the main and the level and the main task.
                1. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 10 January 2018 22: 28
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Again, no one says that you can immediately make such an engine and put it into operation, but drones can certainly be created in the shortest period of time. But the problem arises of the loss of technological secrets. Therefore, you need to decide where you can apply this technology in order to stay with a priority bonus. I think you understand what I mean.?

                  I now have a shock, Gridasov is no longer Gridasov, at least in one small piece of komenta laughing And yes, I understand very well that I was faced with the problem of UAVs and the loss of innovation, in my case it’s a pocket UAV for reconnaissance of premises during the storming of buildings. On the one hand, you can earn a bit of money, and creating your own company is not a problem, at least all problems have affordable solutions for a small group of like-minded people. On the other hand, the same innovation in "big aviation" will bring trilliard profits. So everything hangs "until better times." recourse
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Our solution is as simple as complex in that it has no justification on a modern theoretical scientific basis

                  Well, in my case this is not so, all the same laws of aerodynamics. Just a fresh clear look, and competent analytical calculations.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 10 January 2018 23: 12
                    0
                    At present, it is dangerous to be both a Russophobe and a true patriot. But it’s just logical reasoning that Russia is closer to the heart. Therefore, maybe I myself am to blame for the fact that I dug too deeply. But here is another example of the practical application of the technology of which I speak. At the same time, the principle of operation of the device remains unchanged, only structural nodes change, and then to a small extent. The bottom line is that with the modern mechanization of the armies of any country, and even that. that they all rely on the internal combustion engine in the conduct of any military actions following combat units, fuel and lubricant support units should follow. Our device is able to create very stable emulsions of hydrocarbons and water in any volume ratio. And the issue is not the cost or availability or shortage of fuels. The question is the trail that must follow the moving units in order to provide them with fuel. In our case, a small device or a large one can mix ingredients in any place where there is any water. So you don’t need to change or create new engines, but you can just prepare the consistency of the finished fuel wherever there is water, and carry fuel with you only in part of its initial state. So the mileage of vehicles can be increased by orders of magnitude. And this is just one example of the application of the new approach and methodologies. as well as basic devices and I would say the immediate prospects for use. On our methods, you can simply download a lot of research institutes for not only improving old technological processes, but also creating completely new fields of application.
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 10 January 2018 13: 54
    0
    A good reserve for future developments, which, as it turns out, come very quickly ....
  6. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 10 January 2018 15: 36
    +4
    If only the Lugansk Aviation Repair Plant would be involved in this, otherwise it would be idle ...
  7. viktorch
    viktorch 10 January 2018 19: 54
    0
    why not just write how much engine power has grown? and gluttony?
    what rate of climb, what is the take-off mass, why is this? what does the engine have to do with it?
    I feel some kidalovo
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 10 January 2018 22: 38
      0
      no kidalov, everything is confirmed by a piece of paper, sometimes not even one. That's just all this has been done not for "earning", but for "confirming the development of the budget."
  8. gridasov
    gridasov 11 January 2018 12: 11
    0
    Spez,
    Quote: Spez
    Refutation of what? Have you put forward a theory or hypothesis, or could you combine several phrases into one reasonable statement? Justified how your engine / propulsion works?

    Okay, let's get started. It all starts with mathematics, or rather, the fact that it is necessary to build an inextricable space not only in its some kind of static state, but also in all variations of the transformation and in all the direction vectors of such changes. Ways of modern solutions to this problem are known. . They are built on the use of a function of a variable value of a number and come down to finding the only correct solution to the problem. That is, there is a certain mathematical technology that has key tools in the form of numbers and a method built on the use of formulas and equations and other laws that are very limited by input data and when using a limited number of inputs give the same mathematical sequence of an indefinite nature. Therefore, we replaced the function of the variable number with the function of the constant value of the number. The essence of the latter is. that the number is considered only in its integer value and only within the natural number. . The numbers themselves and their properties found in the series allow us to consider the series itself as a complex of symmetries with respect to each number. But the main thing is that each number in this consideration acquires an additional several new qualities: this is the direct meaning of the number, always the disposition of each number relative to other numbers on the series, as well as the potential between the numbers. For example, what is the difference between the interaction of numbers 1-8 from 4-5. And already these basic parameters allow you to build an algorithmic space. That is, all numbers not only make up an inextricable space in a certain algorithmic relationship between numbers. And then fractal interactions are constructed, which not only form a radial numerical space, but also form a space that is algorithmically expanding according to certain fractal signs. Such a numerical and inextricable space is determined by the capacity of the variations and combinations of an incredibly large number. Moreover, each number in such a space is determined by its place and value in those radial interactions with other numbers. In general, we got a technique that allows you to work with super-large and interconnected mathematical data. Moreover, the mathematical construction itself is, as it were, the basis and skeleton for that. so that when machining, a code is hung on this skeleton. Naturally, for this there exists and created the concept of a multipolar transistor, which has and allows you to get email. the magnetic pulse is fully consistent with the value and position of the number in the series.
    And now this technique already allows us to consider in a fundamental way and at first not the design of for example an aircraft engine for a helicopter, but to consider the physical process at the electronic level. magnetic interactions that are associated with the goals and objectives of a device function. This means that we consider complex physical processes that combine to resemble the mathematical structure that is presented as the mathematical basis. In this technique, an unlimited number of input as well as output values ​​are considered. Based on this, we have built and the mathematical model of that fundamental space has all the parameters of the original one and on which all interactions in the space of not only our existence, but also models of other spaces are built, And which have full compliance with the mathematical foundations. I think that this is enough to make it clear that I can’t explain the whole set of methods that is used not only to create the fundamental principle of operation of a mechanical device in which processes are combined not only in the design in the analysis. but also in the environment to which it is located. In general, I wrote on this topic more than once and the answer is quite expected ..
    1. Spez
      Spez 11 January 2018 14: 05
      +1
      In general, I wrote more than once on this topic and the answer is quite expected

      And I will not disappoint you with originality.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 11 January 2018 14: 25
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        Thank . Everything is very predictable.
        1. Spez
          Spez 11 January 2018 15: 34
          +1
          Well, yes, fortunately I am not an adherent of the sect of the witnesses of the arrow of an oscilloscope ...
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 11 January 2018 18: 28
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            Yes you are nobody and nothing. You do not have your own opinion and dignity. It’s me who is forced to beat against the wall with peas, so that through a dialogue with people like you others will hear me. Or do you think that I doubt the objectivity of what I'm talking about. No, my charm. History is full of similar examples when any undertakings, and even more genius in general terms of man, were the cause of the persecution and oppression of any undertakings, including those of evolutionary significance. Therefore, I won’t lose my mind or become self-conscious or accept a vow of silence. So you don’t see or understand that the world has become a high-potential system of interactions and it is impossible to analyze processes by counting apples in a basket .. Therefore, my task is to see and come into contact with such as you and learn to be stronger and more resistant to trials that I didn’t choose. Therefore, people like you are also needed as fertilizer to understand everything that happens in the world of human relationships.
            1. Spez
              Spez 11 January 2018 18: 43
              +1
              Spikes, relocate ...