Russian railgun reached a new power level

Russian specialists were able to master the technologies that in the future will allow the army to be equipped with electromagnetic guns. Employees of the Joint Institute for High Temperatures (JIHT) of the Russian Academy of Sciences have found a way to increase the power of the plasma railgun 6 times, according to News.

With the help of the electromagnetic field, this system accelerates projectiles to near-cosmic speeds. Moreover, even a small throwing object is endowed with tremendous destructive power.

According to Vladimir Polishchuk, head of the laboratory of the Shatura branch of the JIHT, scientists and engineers managed to design and build a new capacitive drive, “its power is sufficient to accelerate 100 g bodies to speeds above 3 km / s”.

In two years, the power of the installation in Shatura increased six times - from 0,8 megajoules to 4,8. Experiments with a railgun, which is powered by a pulsed inductive energy storage device, have been prepared. Such a power supply allows you to get a higher rate of energy input into the plasma, which should increase the temperature of the plasma piston and, accordingly, increase the speed,

Polishchuk told the newspaper.

Plasma piston systems make it possible to get throwing speeds at the 6 km / s level with a “drummer” mass of about 1 g. It is believed that in plasma railguns you can get a throwing speed in 10 – 12 km / s But so far, “the values ​​of this indicator are limited by the capabilities of the available technologies for manufacturing the channel, which must withstand enormous thermal and dynamic loads,” he noted.

Military expert Alexei Leonkov:

In the United States, rail accelerators with a solid rather than plasma bridge are already used as a catapult for launching aircraft from an aircraft carrier. Recently, an electromagnetic gun was tested, which provides 2,5 km / s speed for 10-20 kg shells. Plasma systems are being studied in the USA on a smaller scale. However, experiments were reported when a plasma clot was fired from a railgun at a speed of 100 km / s. In the case of a successful solution of technical problems, such plasma objects can, for example, disable satellite radio-electronic systems.

Comments

[Muvka]

Well, if railguns are used to destroy satellites with plasma, then it’s quite normal ...

[Logall]

And if the tanks, then not the norm? In my opinion, the rules are also ...

[bouncyhunter]

It’s too early to share the skin of a dead bear. We’ll see the news about military trials - then we’ll figure a finger to his nose.

[bulvas]

Quote: bouncyhunter

It’s too early to share the skin of a dead bear. We’ll see the news about military trials - then we’ll figure a finger to his nose.

Pasha welcome!

The right words

I will add also that it is possible to criticize any new idea ad infinitum.

You can, of course, not twitch, like: it still won’t work, all this is pseudoscience ...

I remember, we had such, they criticized cybernetics, and not only

[bouncyhunter]

Vasya, mutually!

Quote: bulvas

you can criticize any new idea ad infinitum

I add that many truly revolutionary ideas went through this.

[Sharky]

The railgun today is a beautiful toy, no more. Here are some of the drawbacks of the railgun:
1). Let the blank fly out at a speed of 5 km / s (less - it makes no sense, see above), then with a mass of 3 kilograms its energy will be 32,2 megajoules (with a mass of 10 kg, respectively, 125 megajoules). With a trunk length of, say, 10 meters, the acceleration will be 250 m / s² or 000 g. And the pulse power should be 25 gigawatts for a three-kilogram disc and 000 gigawatts for 1,6 kilograms. This is the average power in the pulse, the peak power is even greater, and at 6,2% efficiency (the efficiency of military samples is unknown, but significantly less than 10%). For a minute, 100 GW is the capacity of an average nuclear power unit. Therefore, we need some tricky thing that will accumulate this heap of energy, albeit from a source of significantly less power, and then very quickly land it in the form of an electric current. In artisanal railguns, a capacitor bank is used, but for a military gun some special capacitors are needed, since household electrolytes have a large capacitance, and a fast pulse does not work. Our scientists use disposable piezoelectric generators for this business, but so far with varying success.
2). The consequence of high overloads is the complexity of manufacturing guided missiles, and the accuracy of firing with uncontrolled blanks hundreds of kilometers is poor, to say the least.
3). When fired, an electric arc is formed, which cauterizes not only the projectile, but also the "rails" themselves, destroying the inner surface of the barrel of the railgun. Therefore, after several shots, the barrel has to be changed, which reduces the rate of fire and increases the cost of operating this wonderful weapon.
4). The projectile must have electrical contact with the rails and have good electrical conductivity, like the rails. Otherwise, the accumulated energy will not be pumped into a magnetic field, but will be released into heat, which at such powers leads to a big bad boom. Aluminum, copper, silver and gold conduct well current, but all these are soft metals (and the last two are also expensive, therefore not considered), and therefore the rails will wear out quickly and quickly. And something needs to be done with this.
Shooting at the enemy with an aluminum disc is also not good enough - the metal is not only soft, but also light, so it will be more inhibited against air. But this is solved as follows: the field accelerates an aluminum washer that pushes tungsten (or, as an option, uranium) crowbar with wings, which already flies to the enemy with greetings and democracy.
5). The railgun is very useful to shoot crowbars on tanks, because no defense will help. Just have to first invent a portable thermonuclear reactor like a terminator or some portable power plant for 2-3 megawatts. And do not forget about the truck with spare trunks for our "rail tank" with a team of blacks to quickly replace the barrel directly on the battlefield, although organizing the replacement of burnt out guides is the easiest task.
Not mine. Took from here (carefully, there is profanity, 18+):
https://lurkmore.to/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%8
1%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD

[zulusuluz]

Instead of capacitors, a motor generator with an inertial flywheel is used. Promotion is long, but the effect!

[Spook]

0_o)))) a motor generator with a flywheel can store energy in this, of course it is similar to capacitors, but give it away in a quick pulse))))

[Dreamboat]

Well, this is crowbar on tanks ... what if "plasma by satellite"? The cost of one enemy satellite, taking into account tens of millions of orbits, far fewer than tanks, put 4-5 shots from a ship with a nuclear reactor (and we have such

[Sharky]

A plasma on the satellite will not work. It will not reach, because it will dissipate in the atmosphere of the earth.
Disadvantages:
Low sighting range. A plasma bunch, which maintains its integrity due to its own electromagnetic field, is subject to many external influences, and therefore is not stable on the flight path. In addition, it should be borne in mind that due to enormous energy losses, the life of the plasmoid itself is also very short.
http://www.shovkunenko-book.ru/arsenal/plazmennoe
-weapon-plazmomet.html

[Vlad.by]

Do you need plasma? I remember the Shuttle with 7 experimental laser from the WINDOW was "highlighted", so the Merikos then complained for a long time that they were both human and electronically terribly prettier.
Amplify power in the beam and hello to the electronic stuffing of the satellites.
"With a flick of the wrist, the satellite turns ... the satellite turns ... into space debris! Oh!"

[kori]

The story is interesting, but the "Window" was not there. "Window" is a passive surveillance system.

[Evkur]

The world's first gun was like a chimney
http://webfacts.ru/interesnye-facty/istoriya/kak-
i-kogda-poyavilos-pervoe-ognestrelnoe-oruzhie-vm
ire.html
But how the world has changed with him! So everything is real!

[siberalt]

Enough work for everyone. Some write "laws on cigarette butts," others create catapults for throwing a piece of iron.

[Black_Vatnik]

What is wrong with "stub laws"? Do not like to walk on clean land?

[siberalt]

Then you need to pass a "law on used condoms." They are under the windows, in the spring, much more than cigarette butts. Educated people do not throw anything out of windows.

[Black_Vatnik]

I don’t know where you live, I have exclusively cigarette butts under the windows.

[ZVO]

Quote: Black_Jacket

I don’t know where you live, I have exclusively cigarette butts under the windows.

Do you live in a nursing home?

Nothing personal ... just such a joke ..

[Black_Vatnik]

Such a sharp humor, do not cut yourself)

[Vlad.by]

Well, our cadet foreman simply called them "contact means" - in the third year they sent them to clear the forest after the graduation of the then fifth-year students ...
So these same tools were no less than cigarette butts

[Dreamboat]

 sibiralt ↑ Today, 11:52

"There is enough work for everyone. Some people compose" laws on butts ", others create catapults for throwing a piece of iron."

Yeah, and the third on the forums pi__yat ...

[Maz]

No, it’s all gone. How can we? Where will it come from? We are not even mentioned in the bible! We have never even been dragged from the Egyptians into the desert! Well, shaw, shaw were the first to fly into space? Well, did they send a man into orbit? The station was founded. No, it’s all gone. The first war in two hundred years was not in our territory and not by our foot soldiers.

[The brightest]

They don’t shoot with plasma, plasma there is what they throw a disc at (read the article).

[Logall]

Well, that's how you live, and then you don’t even know what killed you!

[Krabik]

You don’t have to walk with headphones on the street and hear a nuclear missile flying nearby.

Well, the railgun does not shoot further than 10 meters, so only the budget or the developers themselves can kill it ...

[Chichikov]

Quote: Logall

Well, that's how you live, and then you don’t even know what killed you!

And then you care? Or believe in the afterlife? Joke!

[Altona]

In the United States, rail accelerators with a solid rather than plasma bridge are already used as a catapult for launching aircraft from an aircraft carrier. Recently, an electromagnetic gun was tested, which provides 2,5 km / s speed for 10-20 kg shells. Plasma systems are being studied in the USA on a smaller scale. However, experiments were reported when a plasma clot was fired from a railgun at a speed of 100 km / s. In the case of a successful solution of technical problems, such plasma objects can, for example, disable satellite radio-electronic systems.
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Please indicate the size of the power station for powering such a gun.

[zhekazs]

Quote: Altona

Power Station Size

And I would also like to know ... Why is there so little information in the article? ...

[Kent0001]

Because the article is not about anything.

[Roma 1977]

Cho show there? Power plant as a power plant.

[zhekazs]

This is a good article, interesting for me. They would also have written how many shots there are enough rails or guides in the trunk of our product. And then there was information that Zumwalt has enough rails for only 8 shots.

[voyaka uh]

The Americans froze their electric cannon.
They planned a rate of fire twice as high as that of
ordinary ship’s guns, and reached just the same
practical rate of fire. And the rails withstood more than a hundred
shots in a row. But there were plans for more.

[zhekazs]

In general, even prototype guns are still far away. Well, with Amers it’s clear that they needed to put budget money in their pocket, they slept their iron, and ours are trying to bring to mind first that it would be useful in such armaments both in terms of barrel reliability and energy sources. I don’t think that ours are going to put such cannons on ships, on a tank, yes, it makes sense to hit direct fire, maybe even with the second barrel, paired with the usual one.

[voyaka uh]

"Well, with amers it’s clear, they needed to put budget money in their pocket,
they slept their iron, and ours are trying to bring to mind first "////

Ah, got it! The Americans - cut, as usual, but in Russia - a thoughtful scientific
research funded from the state budget.

[zhekazs]

And what do you think the introduction of, to put it mildly, raw and not proven technology in such a serious department as the armed forces looks like? Or maybe you think that lobbying for projects is not corruption at all? Well, well, I will not dissuade ...
PS Our let them in KB work on this technology, what will turn out, they will implement it in armaments.

[voyaka uh]

let them work on this technology in the design bureau

And if all else fails, it’s not scary. A negative result is also a result.
Did the scientists work? -worked, received salaries? -Get the budget spent? - mastered.
Not at all the same as in America.

[PalBor]

Quote: voyaka uh

"Well, with amers it’s clear, they needed to put budget money in their pocket,
they slept their iron, and ours are trying to bring to mind first "////

Ah, got it! The Americans - cut, as usual, but in Russia - a thoughtful scientific
research funded from the state budget.

Yes.

[Piramidon]

Quote: zhekazs

... to the tank, yes, it makes sense ...

And behind this tank, three tractors will drag a small nuclear power plant?

[zhekazs]

Quote: zhekazs

and ours are trying to bring to mind first, so that expediency in such weapons and on the reliability of the trunks and by energy sources.

Let this issue be resolved first. And it’s not like Americans to cut the budget faster: the laser turns out it doesn’t shoot down missiles, the railgun through 8 shots to replace the barrels. The approach of our scientists is simply visible - they are in no hurry to implement what is still being worked out and worked through ...

[g1v2]

Sooner or later, technology will develop. New rail materials will appear, holding several thousand shots. The main application in my opinion is the navy and there may be space. Rate of fire is not fundamental. But reducing the size reserved for bk is already excellent. Plus, the risk of an explosion of ammunition from falling is reduced. The discs will not explode.

[Altona]

Quote: zhekazs

They would also have written how many shots there are enough rails or guides in the trunk of our product. And then there was information that Zumwalt has enough rails for only 8 shots.

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This is also such a baaal question. I watched the transmission somewhere, they said that the legendary Tesla made such guns without guides, but didn’t tell anyone and died. So think, was it really or another myth that Tesla could almost control the climate through electromagnetic fields.

[zhekazs]

I read a book about Tesla and everything that you are talking about was described there, up to the point that he was credited with an explosion in the taiga at the site of the alleged fall of the Tunguska meteorite as a result of his experiments in the transmission of electricity through the atmosphere. Tesla, realizing the destructive power of a weapon that could be created on the basis of his work, destroyed all his scientific records and stopped his research. This explains the fact that its development has not reached us. It is explained in the book, but as far as this can be believed, it is not for me to judge.

[voyaka uh]

His devices are exhibited in New York at the museum.
And the drawings remained. You can repeat the experiments even now.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: voyaka uh

His devices are exhibited in New York at the museum.
And the drawings remained. You can repeat the experiments even now.

Alexei, it would be true would have fought in all the technology created by these drawings ...
But the fact that we will soon fight drones in the main ... this is my opinion. This is the most promising and accessible to any developed state. Armadas of creeping, floating and flying mechanisms equipped with limited intelligence explosives or toxic substances are our future ...
Well, along with the destruction of the enemy’s population from the inside, food, water, smoking, alcohol, corruption ... comprehensive
her weakening is physical and moral.

[voyaka uh]

Tesla was a genius, of course.
But the power of his devices is exaggerated.

[Servisinzhener]

By Ren TV most likely. And it’s better not to watch such a pseudoscientific spectacle.

[Dormidont]

For our Western and Middle Eastern partners nothing is sorry

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Altona

In the United States, rail accelerators with a solid rather than plasma bridge are already used as a catapult for launching aircraft from an aircraft carrier. Recently, an electromagnetic gun was tested, which provides 2,5 km / s speed for 10-20 kg shells. Plasma systems are being studied in the USA on a smaller scale. However, experiments were reported when a plasma clot was fired from a railgun at a speed of 100 km / s. In the case of a successful solution of technical problems, such plasma objects can, for example, disable satellite radio-electronic systems.
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Please indicate the size of the power station for powering such a gun.

You do not want to learn too much? Maybe the keys to the apartment with money?
All you don’t like ... I’d like to know more specifically, google yourself, but here you don’t expect any specifics, this is just a VO site, and not some special rail site ...

[activator]

Quote: Hurricane70

do not wait for specifics, this is just a VO site, and not some special rail site.

Generally "suck" us, not information

[Azim77]

The news is good, but the photo is just discouraging. Older specialists, practically on their knees, are creating with bolts, nuts, with a request to turners, to do something with the help of small funding, with bolts, nuts. Simply and silently create. And then people who are completely not involved in creation will be engaged in public relations, production, sales, and development of funds.

[KCA]

The photo of one person and a device similar to a railgun is given, it is not known what year the photo is, where it was taken at all, what kind of person it is, maybe it's just a locksmith who could be photographed, did the other employees want to take part in the photographing? Did the 1st Division allow them?

[Azim77]

This is in the RAS. Here is another photo:


It is clear that this is a RAS, more a science, a prototype, experiments are underway. But all the same, chipboard and electrical tape are very striking, after "it was possible to master technologies that in the future will equip the army with electromagnetic guns." With this approach and funding, this future will not come soon. At least in this project.

[flicker]

As we do not try, and the states are still ahead, this is the promise of the article

Studies of plasma systems are conducted in the United States on a smaller scale. However, experiments were reported when a plasma bunch was shot from a railgun at a speed of 100 km / s

Although there a little earlier:

It is believed that in plasma railguns you can get a throwing speed of 10-12 km / s. But for now, "the values ​​of this indicator are limited by the capabilities of available technologies for manufacturing a channel that must withstand colossal thermal and dynamic loads"He noted.

They can’t withstand the load while throwing at 10-12 km / s, but can they bear the load of 100 km \ s?
Or put on your underpants or take off your cross.

[AlexKP]

A plasma clot and a solid shell are slightly different things and wear is different.

[flicker]

A plasma bunch, since it is a “bunch” and since it “shoots”, then it has mass, and if it has mass, then it also has energy, which destroys everything. For physicists, that a clot of plasma, that a solid substance is a material point that has mass and is able to move. And we are talking about a channel that must withstand the load.

[AlexKP]

Well, if so, then from the point of view of such physicists, the LHC should have already fallen apart.

[flicker]

For which "such"? No others.

[KVU-NSVD]

[quote] [/ q In the case of successful solution of technical problems, such plasma objects will be able, for example, to disable satellite electronic systems. uote] this is of course cool and R&D in these areas should be continued, but without new, much more wear-resistant materials to practical use is still far, And this is from the category of rather fundamental science

[A. Privalov]

Employees of the Joint Institute for High Temperatures (OIVT) of the Russian Academy of Sciences have found a way to increase the power of a plasma railotron 6 times, Izvestia reports.

Option one. It was the night of December 31 to January 1 and when they woke up, it turned out that they had lost this method and everything had to be started from the very beginning.
The second option.On January 8, an error was found in the calculations and it turned out that the power of the plasma railgun 6 times decreased, but did not increase, as previously assumed.
Option three. Conscious citizens immediately took the found method to the nearest regional police department.
Well, seriously, this is very good news. Many researchers have dropped their hands in the world. Topics in some places were closed at all, in some places grandmothers were cut ... Now, there will be hopes for a resumption of appropriations!

[Troll]

The future is already here, more railgun spitting plasma is called plasmatron.

[Sands Careers General]

Railgun?
I think the future is behind this, the main thing is to finish it with a really working compact model and keep up with star-striped ones.

[gridasov]

It is clear that the issues of creating email. magnetic accelerators are determined by their insolubility due to the lack of both fundamental theoretical knowledge and the lack of engineering solutions. It is obvious to us that such accelerators should and can only work effectively on rotating magnetic fluxes, and engineering solutions rely on induction devices of a new type and type and principle of creating magnetic force fluxes. However, there are no such directions and studies and their implementation. Moreover, new approaches to solving problems open up a huge layer of new possibilities for using spin or rotating magnetic fluxes of any interactions,

[gridasov]

It is very interesting to observe how many scientists know that a plasma breakdown reduces the voltage and optimizes the current in the circuit, and therefore reduces the so-called power, but at the same time they’re “beating their forehead against the wall” and creeping into the plasma levels of the process, not understanding them algorithms, no causal patterns, etc.

[Zomanus]

So quietly, without bluffs, and built a railgun ...

[prodi]

But what about the "evaporation" of the mass of the projectile in the dense layers of the atmosphere at near-space speeds and, compared with traditional, ranges?

[Altona]

Quote: Hurricane70

All you don’t like ... I’d like to know more specifically, google yourself, but here you don’t expect any specifics, this is just a VO site, and not some special rail site ...

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I google, don’t worry. But so far the press is not reporting railguns, but prototypes of these of varying degrees of readiness and buried in the same problems.

[Altona]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Americans froze their electric cannon.
They planned a rate of fire twice as high as that of
ordinary ship’s guns, and reached just the same
practical rate of fire. And the rails withstood more than a hundred
shots in a row. But there were plans for more.

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C'mon? And what? Money down the drain, drawings on the shelf, the production of Ilona Mask?

[voyaka uh]

(I like your curiosity ).
" And what?"////
Not really. These pieces checked on rails - shells - will be used.
With powder charges. Until they pull up the electric rail technology.

[Leonid Har]

After all, the Americans refused these weapons. Could not realize in a mobile, multi-charged. And ours what?

[Mentat]

Quote: flicker

They can’t withstand the load while throwing at 10-12 km / s, but can they bear the load of 100 km \ s?
Or put on your underpants or take off your cross.

Or load the brain into the skull. In the first case, it is said about the throwing of material objects, in the second - plasma clots.

[Chever]

Our overseas "sworn friends" sawed tugriks on this sawed, now ours began

[Captain Nemo]

Still, the data would be about the power of the energy source required to produce one shot. But it would not have happened that for each railgun of the NPP it is necessary to build

[Gary zucker]

Why not. To equip our atomic icebreakers with these prodigies, let the satellites scorch from the poles. Yes, and in the Arctic, hell who pokes.

[Spook]

Explain to me the "Hurray" mood.
Ours: clocked 100 g to 3 km / s
Americos: 10-20 kg to 2,5 km / s

I didn’t find a single sober comment in the article, a solid “mighty”, “America refused and we did”, do you even turn on the mental ganglion sometimes?

in appearance this is, as it were, not at all an achievement, but the beginning of the transition to a technology that has long been mastered and recognized as unsuitable, focusing on indicators far exceeding our achievements!

to remove 10 comments of contention: our shot momentum P = 0,3 kg * km / s, their shot momentum P = 25-50 kg * km / s.
I don’t understand why, where is the cheers here?

[Mentat]

Quote: Spook

Explain to me the "Hurray" mood.
Ours: clocked 100 g to 3 km / s
Americos: 10-20 kg to 2,5 km / s

I didn’t find a single sober comment in the article, a solid “mighty”, “America refused and we did”, do you even turn on the mental ganglion sometimes?

in appearance this is, as it were, not at all an achievement, but the beginning of the transition to a technology that has long been mastered and recognized as unsuitable, focusing on indicators far exceeding our achievements!

to remove 10 comments of contention: our shot momentum P = 0,3 kg * km / s, their shot momentum P = 25-50 kg * km / s.
I don’t understand why, where is the cheers here?

You do not understand exactly what you wrote about: how to turn on the mental ganglion.
In our system, a projectile is pushed due to the movement of a plasma clot in the "barrel", while the Americans are moving a jumper of metal. Judging by the article, they didn’t advance much in plasma motion, but we put the main emphasis on this, because such a system is much more promising, and potentially opens up the possibility of creating weapons based on new principles.

[Crankshaft]

Why are railguns considered weapons for ships and supposedly for space? After all, it is easy to imagine a railgun as part of air defense. There are no problems on the ground (though underground) for charging pulsed inductive energy storage devices, energy production in compact nuclear installations (such as those on Status-6 - Poysedon, Burevestnik, Peresvet). With new and more effective developments, this is easily updated and the number of such drives is unlimited. The latter allows you to set many guides "shells" on the dome type "hedgehog" with a shift of the guides for example 1 degree. Install 4 such domes (for example near Moscow) to the West-East, North and South. Range of defeat 160 km. - reaches outer space. Many guides, drives and nuclear power plants allow you to "shoot" at a speed close to the machine gun. Further improvement of the "shells". In the end, it will be cheaper than missiles, although no one will write off the last.