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How Americans Kozhedub "intercepted"

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The recent incident in the Syrian sky, when the American F-22 tried to "intercept" Russian attack aircraft, which covered the humanitarian convoy, but was forced to retreat from the Su-35 that arrived in time, causes historical associations with those times when the US Air Force also tried to impose “zones of American air influence” on our country.

This took place at the end of World War II, when our countries fought against one enemy. However, the struggle of the USA against the common enemy was quite ambiguous - the Americans and the Nazis held secret negotiations (the first contacts began in 1943), which aimed not only to separate peace, but also to counter the “red threat” with the Hitlerites. As now, of the surviving terrorists, the Americans are creating a "new Syrian army", so in the 1945 year, the allies of the captured soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the Waffen-SS formed shock units for the war against the Soviet Union.

However, we will return to the airspace engulfed by the war and waiting for the liberation of Europe. American air incidents aviation began in the second half of 1944. Moreover, there is every reason to believe that these situations, the culprits of which were always our allies, were not random episodes of friendly fire (“friendly fire”), common in the war, but the results of the desire of the US Air Force to show who is the master in the skies of Europe.

Fight over Niš

The case when forty American Light fighters attacked the headquarters of the 6 Guards Rifle Corps and the airfield of the 866 Fighter Aviation Regiment in the vicinity of the Yugoslav city Nis was widely known.
The commander of the corps, Hero of the Soviet Union Grigory Kotov and another 30 man, fell victim to this traitorous attack. In addition, two of our aircraft were destroyed and a dozen cars were burned down. Our pilots who managed to take off took the Americans to flight by shooting down four aircraft. In their fragments, maps were found, on which Nis was already liberated, and under the control of Soviet troops, Niš was marked as a target. That fully shows the failure of American excuses about the "loss of course." Another indirect evidence of the intention of the actions of Americans is that the blow was struck on November 7 of the year 1944.
Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy Zhukov testified about the premeditation of American provocations, stating in his memoirs that the commander of the US Air Force Spaatts defiantly refused to discuss with him the order of flights over the Soviet zone. He stated that "American aviation flew everywhere and will fly without any restrictions."

Who is the fire? To me?!

It can be assumed that most of the American provocations that led to air collisions remained unknown. For obvious reasons, these facts were not sought by the Soviet sources at the time to advertise. However, it is known how the American pilots in the skies over Berlin tried, in modern terms, to “intercept” the Soviet fighter, piloted by the legendary Russian pilot Ivan Kozhedub.

Subsequently, the air marshal told how it was. 17 April 1945 of the year, having met the Allied Flying Fortresses strategic bombers in the air, he barred a couple of Messerschmitts from them, but after a second he himself was attacked by American fighter jets.

“To whom the fire? To me?! - Kozhedub recalled indignantly half a century later. - The queue was long, with a large, one kilometer, distance, with bright, unlike our and German tracer shells. Because of the long distance, it was clear that the end of the line was bent down. I rolled over and, quickly getting close, attacked the extreme American (by the number of fighters in the escort, I already knew who it was) - something exploded in his fuselage, he strongly steamed and went with a decline towards our troops. Polupetley doing a combat turn, with an upside down position, I attacked the next. My shells went very well - the plane exploded in the air ...

When the tension of the battle subsided, my mood was far from victorious - I had already managed to make out the white stars on the wings and fuselages. “They will arrange for me ... by the first number,” I thought, putting the car down. But everything worked out. In the cabin of the "Mustang", landed on our territory, sat a hefty Negro. To the question of the guys who came to him, who shot him down (or rather, when they could translate this question), he answered: “Focke-Wulf” with a red nose ... I don't think he played along; the allies have not yet learned how to look both ways ... When the PCF films showed, the main points of the battle were fixed on them very clearly. The films were watched by regiment command, divisions, and corps. The commander of the division, Savitsky, to whom we then entered into operational submission, said after watching: “These victories are in the account of a future war.” And Pavel Fedorovich Chupikov, our regiment commander, soon gave me these tapes with the words: “Take them away for yourself, Ivan, and do not show it to anyone”.

The "allied" actions of the Americans did not leave the Soviet officers doubt that a war with them was inevitable and was only a matter of time.

Hunting for "Mustangs" and "Flying Fortress"

The next fight between Ivan Kozhedub and American pilots took place five days later, when a pair of Mustangs attacked him again. One American managed to jump with a parachute from a wrecked car, the second burned down together with a fighter that exploded in the air.
Kozhedub's last battle with the allies took place on the eve of Victory Day, when the Soviet ace prevented the entire squadron of the Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress from breaking into the airspace of the Soviet occupation zone. "Flying Fortress" with a maximum bomb loading perley through, ignoring radio queries and warning shots, and to deploy them, the Soviet pilot had to knock down three four-engine giants one after the other.

However, the personal "American account" of the future marshal ended there. When Kozhedub a few years later, when he was already a major general, commanded one of the divisions of the 64 th air corps that protected the DPRK's sky from the American aggressors, he did not participate in the battles personally.

Directive of the USSR Ministry of Defense it was prohibited. 264 American aircraft were shot down by his subordinates.

Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers knew perfectly well what to do with the American "interceptors". And it is necessary to hope that their grandchildren have not lost this art ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 13 January 2018 09: 04
    +9
    The last battle of Kozhedub with the Allies took place on the eve of Victory Day
    Yes, the legend is still alive in our Air Force that Kozhedub could not resist and flew to combat in Korea, where he was able to replenish his account, although they say that he was shot down once, but now it’s hard to confirm or refute ...
    1. Vard
      Vard 13 January 2018 09: 26
      +3
      How fakes are born ... Yes, there was ... Of course I could not resist ... Yes, I shot down ... Yes, I was shot down ... I heard this story forty years ago for the first time ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 January 2018 09: 28
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        Quote: Vard
        How fakes are born ...

        "Fakes" are born now, and in the "bygone years" LEGENDS were born.
        1. iouris
          iouris 13 January 2018 13: 54
          +1
          Legend and fake are far from the same thing. The legend is not related to the information war.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 14 January 2018 14: 00
            +1
            Quote: iouris
            The legend is not related to the information war.

            Please: Iliad. the whole product of the information war (for example, the abduction of Elena occurred 80-100 years before this war)
    2. max702
      max702 13 January 2018 12: 55
      +6
      In the air, okay, as I heard that on earth in Germany it was the same .. According to rumors, one American unit occupied the territory which, according to the agreements, was withdrawing to the USSR, and ours had orders to go out and take control of the area with such coordinates. Ours came and there the Americans didn’t understand right away and walked about to demolish their entire defense, gaining a foothold in the place indicated in the order .. They say that the Americans were very impressed with how easy our units were, and after that the desire to try the Soviet army for strength was lost .. I did not find documentary evidence of this bike .. Was it .. Question ...
      1. urman
        urman 13 January 2018 20: 57
        +3
        It may well be that only they then kept on wandering and knew that it’s better not to mess
        Our grandfathers showed them who who is who and who is what.
        And they were specifically afraid of ours, even though they were warriors no matter where, well, they had enough thought.
        That our Army simply will not notice them !.
      2. Lekov L
        Lekov L 13 January 2018 21: 33
        +7
        I did not find any documentary evidence of this bike .. Was it .. Question ...

        I heard the same thing from a veteran in 1977. Participant ...
        He also asked not to spread widely, it was not accepted - discharge and warming,
        L.I. even signed there.
        I was talking to veterans then - I heard and learned a lot of things ..
        The memory of them is bright, but for us about them and their affairs is long, better forever.
        Respectfully..
        soldier
        1. Corsair71 (Anatoly)
          Corsair71 (Anatoly) 31 July 2018 20: 46
          0
          Well, at least one thing to tell?
      3. zoolu350
        zoolu350 15 January 2018 06: 40
        +2
        It was. In the spring of 1945. mattress warriors, accustomed by the Germans, who everywhere raised their hands in front of them and surrendered territories without a fight, considered themselves semi-supermen. But our ancestors quickly explained to them how miserable they are. Skirmishes of this kind were at a level: a platoon, a company, a battalion, therefore they quickly fell over the command of both sides, officially everything fell on the Germans.
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 13 January 2018 14: 41
      +1
      Svp, my father’s friend in 1953 was in North Korea in air defense (they covered the “Kozhedubovets” airfield) and from his words I know that Kozhedub definitely participated in the battle once: he flew out in the regiment’s car and allegedly shot down an airplane and recorded it on account complex.
      I recently read a book by Abakumov: “An Unknown War in the Sky of North Korea”, a kozhedubovets pilot, described in an interesting and detailed way what he himself had seen, but he denied Kozhezhydub’s participation in air battles
    4. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 16 January 2018 11: 39
      +2
      Considering that the airfields in Chinese territory were not bombed for political reasons, basing them did not pose a particular danger.
      In North Korea, airfields were bombed on a daily basis - basing on them was not possible.
      It’s enough to imagine what would happen if the US Air Force worked on Chinese airfields as well as on Korean - you could forget about basing air divisions. To ensure parity, we would have to increase the fighter group to a dozen air divisions. Our aircraft worked from defense, American - to the border (despite some incidents over China and the sea).
  2. Bask
    Bask 13 January 2018 09: 45
    15
    An article full of nonsense. In the book "Fidelity to the Fatherland", Kozhedub did not describe the fight with the Mustangs. The Soviet ace machine was attacked unexpectedly and didn’t defend which B-17s, let alone knock it down. The Germans didn’t attack from the first attack "fortresses" were shot down, and on La-7 how much you need to pick this beaver to shoot down. And when you consider that the B-17 went in formation and was echeloned in height, and even in numbers from 800 to 1200, under the cover of no fewer fighters, then chances Kozhedub had zero. During the battle, the city of Nis has a good article in the journal "Aviation and Cosmonautics". Anyone interested is better to read it, where the battle is scheduled by minute.
    1. Rakti-kali
      Rakti-kali 13 January 2018 10: 22
      +7
      Quote: Bask
      And when you consider that the B-17 marched and layered in height, and even in quantities from 800 to 1200

      These 800-1200 did not go in one box, but were smeared with a small intestine from airfields in Britain to their targets in Germany. The formations themselves basically consisted, with mass raids, not even of groups but of wings built into a column of squadrons. Yes, and “Fortresses” got off dozens per day, moreover, with the most ordinary “Fredericks” and “Gustavs”.
      The article somewhat exaggerates the number of Kozhedub's victories over the Yankees.
      1. Bask
        Bask 13 January 2018 12: 08
        +4
        No one went astray and argues. Only the Friedrichs and Gustavs with reinforced weapons, and the La-7 has two guns of poor quality with 360 rounds of ammunition. Read the memories of German pilots attacking this same gut. Wall of Fire. Time to attack a second. The article does not just exaggerate, but twists events.
        1. Luga
          Luga 13 January 2018 13: 56
          +9
          Quote: Bask
          Article, complete nonsense.

          No need to be so categorical. Still, "complete nonsense" implies a complete lack of reliable information. Otherwise, you are right.
          Quote: Bask
          The Germans didn’t shoot down the “fortress” from the first attack with the Sturmbocks, but on La-7 how much they need to pick this beaver to bring down.

          Yes, 2x20mm, though of high quality, better than the Germans, as I heard, but still against the B-17 ... And if there are several of them in tight formation and each snarls ... The Germans, if they have one such whole squadron it was possible to fill up without losses, it was considered a success. Usually they dispersed, bringing home a certain number of holes, and they both rejoiced that they were alive. And then our Kozhedub, even one of the greatest air fighters in history, put three (!) In one flight ... I think Ivan Nikitovich himself would have laughed at this article and would have kicked the author’s ears.
          Kozhedub admitted that he brought down two Americans who attacked him. Let's stop there. No need to invent non-existent victories, we have enough of our real ones.
          Quote: Bask
          The article does not just exaggerate, but reinterprets events.

          I don’t even know who brings more harm - the one who pours dirt on our story, arouses hatred and distrust of even an inexperienced reader, or the one who pours it on syrup, causing the same reader with his tales to have a series of patriotic orgasms ... and bitter disappointment after seeing .
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 13 January 2018 15: 08
            +4
            Kamrad Luzhsky, you are absolutely right: pouring mud and pouring syrup on it is two sides of the same coin and the medal is called: “LODGE” and I’m sorry that we’re “caught” by such a reward
          2. Bask
            Bask 13 January 2018 15: 10
            +6
            I agree with you in everything, except for the cannons. The ShVAK was created on the basis of the design of the ShKAS machine gun and had a number of drawbacks - a weak projectile with poor external ballistics; technological and operational complexity and, therefore, high cost. But the former was easily compensated by the frantic rate of fire, which reached 850 rounds / min, which had no equal among the serial counterparts of other countries. True, the synchronous versions installed on the La-5 and La-7 fighters, depending on the engine operating mode, had a rate of fire much more modest √ 550-750 rounds / min. The second is more difficult. The selling price of the ShVAK gun at the time of 1939 was 35 thousand rubles. And for example, the same Oerlikon FFS in the same period cost $ 7 thousand, the Danish 20-mm Madsen cost the same, which at the then exchange rate of the ruble to the US dollar √ 5.3: 1 is quite comparable, despite the fact that Oerlikon is traditionally considered one of the most simple and technological guns. And, for example, the Italian 20-mm automatic Scotti 20/77 “pulled” as much as $ 11 thousand. And by the 44th year, the price of the same Erlikon had dropped five times and amounted to $ 1658.
            Regarding German cannons, the MG FF was inferior to the ShVAK in rate of fire; in the late 30s, a new Minengeschoss shell was developed, or in the translation "mine shell", due to which the firing efficiency increased; MG 151 is essentially a rework from a 15 mm machine gun already was no worse than ShVAK. The rate of fire was 750 rounds / m, the cartridge weight was 151-168 g (ShVAK 96-96,6 g); MG 151/20 rate of fire was slightly lower than 650 rounds / m, but the mass of the shell was 183- 205 g. And another plus is the location of the MG 151 and MG 151/20 in the collapse of the engine cylinders, that is, in the center of the axis of the aircraft and synchronizers were not required.
            1. Luga
              Luga 13 January 2018 19: 04
              +1
              Quote: Bask
              In everything I agree with you, except for the guns.

              I will not argue, not an expert. I just read in my memoirs, I don’t even remember whose whose guns were faster and more accurate. You can dig into the comparison, but I trust you. We agree that they were no worse smile
              1. Bask
                Bask 13 January 2018 20: 08
                +1
                I agree with you, let it be no worse hi .
              2. Train
                Train 16 January 2018 16: 13
                0
                A veteran pilot when asked about ShVAK on LA-5 as a weapon-said-good-usually there was one normal line-up for the eyes - if the LA-73 B, then, according to the veterans, a fighter could cut open.
                1. Bask
                  Bask 16 January 2018 16: 55
                  0
                  Did you carefully read our comments? The conversation was that two ShVAK guns would not be enough to bring down the B-17, and even three more so. Above I gave some figures for comparison, from which it is clear that the German aviation the guns were no worse than ShVAK. In order to bring down a fighter, two machine guns and one gun were enough, for example, the same Bf-109F2 (2 machine guns of a caliber of 7,92 mm and a MG 151 gun of caliber of 15 mm. Ammunition: machine guns of 1000 rounds - about 500 per barrel, a cannon of 200 shells), but for the "beaver" it’s already not enough, especially the heavier one.
                  1. Train
                    Train 16 January 2018 21: 34
                    0
                    duck agree with this-b-17 with a bastard you will bite to bite
        2. goose
          goose 28 June 2018 17: 00
          0
          They went astray by good pilots, just on the stormtroops flown undergraduates of the 1943-1944 sample. La-7 could well extinguish both engines in the wing in 1 pass or get into the tank.
      2. Train
        Train 16 January 2018 16: 09
        0
        there were no Friedrichs then, and the Carls had MK-108 on the sides and under the wings, too, she fired 30 mm grenades — one such grenade tore up the engine from the truck and drove it into the ground — tore it off its supports — in the plane’s plane a hole in the meter where something scream-ordinary Carls and Gustavs.
        1. Bask
          Bask 16 January 2018 17: 05
          +1
          The Friedrichs fought with B-17 over Africa, the Gustavs with reinforced weapons over Sicily, Italy and the Reich air defense. The Germans did not have Karlov, there were Electors, that is, Bf-109K.
          1. Train
            Train 16 January 2018 21: 37
            0
            yes, by the year 43 of Friedrich, tears remained — already the gustavs of various modifications flew — the elector is Karl, K4-C3 — the Friedrich-machine is 41 years old; in the summer of 42, G-2 gustavs were already flying
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 13 January 2018 14: 58
      +1
      Basque, I agree with you: "... in the amount of 800 to 1200, under the guise of no less than the number of destroyers" the Americans always liked to fly in a heap (maybe to be less afraid) about this and the Germans remembered and in d / f show what kind of armada go . Even assuming that there was such an episode and the Americans fired their bombers without fighter jets, I doubt how much Kozhedub would have to jump to disperse such a team, and the B17 had good defensive weapons.
      1. Train
        Train 16 January 2018 16: 17
        0
        he would have been persecuted, there the building is defensive, they all blocked each other with machine guns
  3. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 13 January 2018 09: 57
    +5
    Dreamer, do not defame the name of the beautiful pilot with all sorts of stories.
  4. Curious
    Curious 13 January 2018 09: 59
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    The topic is interesting. After all, such incidents occurred not only in the skies of Europe. In the same 1945, when Soviet and American troops entered Korea, similar incidents also occurred. And since 1950, there have been more than forty cases of the use of weapons against each other by pilots of the USSR and the USA only. The following figures are found in the press: without taking into account military losses during the Korean, Vietnamese and Middle Eastern wars, only as a result of various “misunderstandings”, the West lost 27 aircraft and helicopters and 139 military personnel during this time, and the USSR - six aircraft. Given that the USSR was surrounded on all sides by American bases, the ratio is quite true.
    Along with the tragic were "comic" episodes. In October 1970, a light passenger aircraft of the US Air Force U-8 “Seminol” lost orientation in space and flew into the airspace of modern Armenia. By happy coincidence, he managed to land at the military airfield of the Soviet part. On board were two generals of the US Army and a Turkish colonel. Interestingly, the pilots realized their mistake only after landing and even tried to take off immediately after landing. "Visited" "lost" in the USSR for several months.
    So on this subject, you can write a good article, not a leaflet, like today's author.
    Separate wish. Titles in the style of folk tales are completely unsuitable for such materials. Well this is not "Baby Monitor", a site for adults.
  5. Serge72
    Serge72 13 January 2018 10: 01
    21
    But not intercepted!
    Our aces in Korea prevented the 3rd world
    Entire aces divisions! One 303th what is it worth
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 13 January 2018 10: 17
    +5
    A good legend .. Like any legend with a share of fiction, with a share of truth ... Kozhedub himself, speaks a little different about this in his memoirs ...
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 January 2018 12: 02
      +4
      It would be necessary to open a special section for such articles at the VO, otherwise serious articles and beautiful legends go to the "History" section.
  7. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 13 January 2018 12: 05
    0
    Not a fig yourself! The first time I hear about such details! Thank!
  8. Kosya Queen
    Kosya Queen 13 January 2018 14: 48
    +2
    And why, then, are fooling around with American and Zionist aircraft? Well they create uniform chaos in Syria.
    1. Alf
      Alf 13 January 2018 19: 27
      12
      Quote: Mowing Queen
      And why, then, are fooling around with American and Zionist aircraft? Well they create uniform chaos in Syria.

      Because the composition of the Kremlin’s population in the 40s and 2000s is completely different.
      1. Bask
        Bask 13 January 2018 22: 19
        +2
        Well, in the 40th beginning of the 41st, German planes hovered in the airspace of the USSR as at home (by the way, the Soviet ones also flew into the adjacent territory) and the Soviet air defense acted quite correctly. They were shot down, but mostly the Germans left with impunity. the authorities of the Kremlin did not take excessive measures.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 13 January 2018 17: 33
    +9
    E.Ya. was right. Savitsky "films for a future war."
    In the early 80s E.Ya. Savitsky led the Far East operation to disperse reconnaissance aircraft from our territories. The group also included me. Then, using 4 MiG-31P with the OVK system, he managed to land one reconnaissance aircraft in Kamchatka. After that, 4 years of US provocation stopped. I have the honor.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 13 January 2018 18: 54
      +4
      Quote: midshipman
      The group also included me. Then, using 4 MiG-31P with the OVK system, he managed to land one reconnaissance aircraft in Kamchatka.

      If it does not bother you, please give a link to the description of this incident, or share your memories.
    2. Curious
      Curious 13 January 2018 19: 09
      +6
      Dear Michman! And you could not cover in more detail the episode with the scout landing in Kamchatka. And then only the "landing" of the South Korean Boeing comes to mind.
      1. jonht
        jonht 20 September 2018 12: 50
        0
        It seemed like there was an article on the website about Migi 31 and how they worked in the Far East to curb provocations. Look for it.
        1. Curious
          Curious 20 September 2018 13: 35
          0
          I am not suppressing provocations. Due to his age, the midshipman sometimes "drifts", as with this landing of the scout.
  10. mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 13 January 2018 20: 54
    +5
    Surprising condescension to such a lie, Kozhedub is a great pilot without this pathos billiards. Such authors need to be soared, so that they would not chase the rating of their statues using well-known names.
  11. Dooplet11
    Dooplet11 14 January 2018 11: 05
    +1
    The article contains more fiction and untruth than reliable information. Thus, the author Boris Dzherelievsky harms the reputation of the Three times Hero of the Soviet Union I. Kozhedub. The article is a huge minus, the author wishes: not to disseminate such unreliable opuses on the net.
  12. zoolu350
    zoolu350 14 January 2018 18: 33
    +4
    That’s such a conversation, the military servants of the Fed’s owners understood very well, and not the bleating and concerns of the Russian oligarchy. Downed mattresses letaki Kozhedub need to generally plus and indicate this in all articles about him.