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Ukraine is doing more and more anti-Russian

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The results of the year are disappointing: Ukraine is even more pumped up with Russophobic propaganda and American weapons.




In recent years, many “analytical” articles and television programs have appeared in Russia, in which the entire “analyst” about Ukraine comes down to a number of “profound” stamps, such as the fact that “the saucepan naked menhdan”, but they “just about” come to their senses ” will jump "back to Russia, having driven away Poroshenko. Or there are no less "reasonable" variations on this topic that the "pots" with their new jumps will collapse Ukraine, and it will all go to Russia, except its western part, which Moscow will gladly give to Poland. All this, to put it mildly, does not correspond to reality.

The absurd “expert opinions” that everything “by itself” somehow forms, have been sounding for three years now. They strongly remind Soviet propaganda of the 30s that the "German proletariat" would not allow Germany to start a war with the USSR. That in Europe, the working people will allegedly rise in large numbers, throw off the yoke of the damned capitalists, and the renewed European states will merge with the Soviet Union in a fit of acute love and friendship. Of course, Ukraine is not “pulling” to the Third Reich, but in fact it has become part of the new Western Reich, its important bridgehead, which is not going to fall apart. And, as our historical experience, one must always face the truth. Understanding the situation helps you be prepared for the worst-case scenarios.

The Ukrainian question in the past year remained one of the most acute for Russia, and will clearly remain so in 2018 year. The presence of a NATO bridgehead in fact, which serves for various aggressive actions against us, continues to cause enormous economic and political damage.

It must be admitted that the operation to seize Ukraine under the name "Maidan" was a brilliantly carried out action by the US government. But it must also be admitted that the catastrophe that happened was an inevitable consequence of not only the actions of Western politicians and special services, but also the fruit of the inaction of the same Russian ambassador in Kiev.

Today, the Russian Federation is forced to build many roads and pipelines bypassing Ukraine, help the Crimea and Donbas, strengthen the south-western border, which has now actually become our border with NATO. All this needs to be done, but it is very expensive.

Recently, the head of the FSB, Alexander Bortnikov, said: "We are paying special attention to building a reliable barrier to threats from today's Ukraine." Earlier, the head of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Shoigu called Ukraine a military threat in the south-western direction.

Of course, the Ukrainian army is immeasurably weaker than the Russian. But in the plans of Western strategists, it should be only a part, although important, of the global anti-Russian front. I think that the "hawks" of NATO want to increase internal instability in Russia, raise insurrections among us, and then fight us with the "peacekeeping" forces of Ukrainians, Georgians, Balts.

These concerns are fair. As we know, at the end of 2017, the US leadership decided to deliver lethal weapons to Ukraine. Trump made up his mind that even global fanatic and open hater of Russia Obama could not make up his mind. Of course, the countries of the West and the United States and so supplied there weapons, both directly and indirectly, through the countries of Eastern Europe, as well as through indirect funding for the re-equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. However, the official decision on the supply of arms to Ukraine, of course, will put this business to a qualitatively new level. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not just re-equipping, but rebuilding in the style of creating part of the offensive forces of NATO subordinate to the command of the block.

The Minister of Defense of Ukraine Poltorak, commenting on the results of his department’s work in 2017, said: “The 66 foreign advisers from 14 of NATO member countries, including six high-level advisers, work in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Ministry of Defense.”

According to Poltorak, this year 10 battalions, 25 companies and more 1400 instructors were trained for NATO standards. The number of brigade and battalion tactical exercises was also increased; according to the standards of the alliance, 112 command staff exercises, 32 brigade tactical exercises and 12 flight tactical exercises were conducted.

"For the training, NATO's 668 standards are used, the 40% of the structures of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are reduced to the typical structure of NATO headquarters," said Poltorak.

An operational reserve of thousands of people military-liable in the number of 140 was created, 1400 samples of weapons and military equipment were supplied to the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 19 adopted new types of weapons and equipment.

The NATO military bloc is widely embedded in the military structures of Ukraine. The Alliance exerts its influence mainly through its advisers, various programs and five trust funds, which are responsible for different directions of transforming the Armed Forces of Ukraine into a part of the NATO forces and their strengthening.

So, it is necessary to pay less attention to all kinds of "Mikhomaydan" near the Verkhovna Rada, and more - to the real processes of dangerous militarization of Ukraine, which is in full swing, despite the political turmoil and noise in the squares.

By the way, these troubles - this is also not a sign of some kind of decay. This is a sign of system restructuring in an even worse style for Russia. Saakashvili was the “black mark” sent by Poroshenko from Western curators. They showed him how ghostly his power was, how easily they could overthrow him, and he, in general, gave up his attempts to try to pursue a more independent policy.

Prosecutor General Lutsenko even stated that his public skirmish with the head of the National Anti-Corruption Bureau (NABU), which is a direct tool of Washington, was a mistake. That is, Lutsenko actually repented of wanting to "rein in" the branches of Western intelligence services in an "independent" Ukraine. The attempt to “clean out” at least some agents of the State Department from power ended in failure. The deputies of the Verkhovna Rada, directly subordinate to the American ambassador, whom Poroshenko dreamed to drive out from there, remained in their places (they were in his BPP faction). And reconciliation of the Poroshenko regime with Washington curators automatically means a new round of tensions with Russia.

Western curators of the "District Ukraine" are bringing order in the economic sphere. A landmark fact: the assets of the oligarch Kolomoisky were arrested around the world by the decision of the High Court of London. Many political analysts associate this with the will of Poroshenko, who, he says, took revenge on the fugitive oligarch for financing “mikhomaydan”, which violated secret peace agreements between them. There is some truth in this, but only a small one. After all, Poroshenko could file a lawsuit, but the decision on his satisfaction was made by global management systems. The High Court of London is not a simple judicial body, but a super-influential structure, closely related to the political leadership of Great Britain and the United States.

I think that the globalists have set themselves the task of removing insane “relicts” of 90's from the corridors of the Ukrainian government, which are Kolomoisky and his accomplice oligarch Bogolyubov.

The point, of course, is not that the West decided to fight corruption in Ukraine, to raise the standard of living. Western “advisers” corrupted the corruption there, at the time prescribing for the CIS countries a murderous privatization program, singing the builders of the “financial pyramids” there — in its time, Radio Liberty even advertised the arch-writer Mavrodi, who had robbed millions of Russian and Ukrainian depositors. No, the point here is that such operations of the oligarchs as the artificial collapse of the strategic Privatbank damage the viability of the protectorate Ukraine conquered by the West and hinder its ability to fight against Russia. In addition, two years ago, Kolomoisky spoke against the President Poroshenko, approved by Washington, violating the unwritten rules of the game and bringing unnecessary political chaos. And the West will not tolerate such steps, and the less-overbearing thieves will be taught a lesson.

Kolomoisky and others, who rose "upstairs" in 90-s, could easily fit into the colonial administration, they would be allowed to steal on a particularly large scale, but this had to be done in such a way that it did not harm the plans of the globalists. These oligarchs had to turn into such smiling, tolerant political actors involved in the restructuring of Ukraine in the style they needed. Instead, these "inadequacies" everywhere sowed tension and collapse. And it is not only about such major episodes as the attempt of a raider seizure by Kolomoisky "Ukrtransnafta", for which the US ambassador in Kiev personally yelled at him. He did this in all things. Let us recall the famous episode of “conversation” between Kolomoisky and a journalist with Radio Liberty, when Kolomoisky, in response to an unpleasant question for him, ordered that “put your tongue in ...”. And the journalist who was spat upon by the oligarch, who earlier “boldly” denounced the officials of Yanukovych, meekly silenced, realizing that the jokes are over, that the new government is really gangster and Kolomoisky can easily eliminate him. However, in the eyes of experienced Western politicians, such an idiotic attempt at self-affirmation of the Dnepropetrovsk nouveau riche at the expense of a frightened journalist was, of course, extremely stupid and ridiculous. They build their power not so much on force, as on the manipulation of consciousness. English aristocrats, for example, are not even rude to their lackeys - they have far more serious tasks, they are fighting for power over the world, for this they need the devotion of servants. And then a sharply enriched fool who survived, probably, a difficult childhood, uses his position to humiliate their man, thereby destroying the myth of tolerance and tolerance of the new Ukrainian government.

It is clear that with these remnants of the 90s in Ukraine, the US and EU governments will now end. Kolomoisky is only the “first swallow”. However, what they plant in return will be even worse. The new economic and political system will work like a clock, fighting against the Russian world, becoming the shock force of an undeclared (so far) war against Russia. By the way, they are well aware that the anti-Russian system they are creating will not work if the mental alteration of Ukraine is not carried out. The experience of the collapse of the Russian Empire, the collapse of the USSR showed that the presence of a huge number of guns, tanks and submarines will not save the country from collapse if the values ​​on which the country stands collapse. And in order for the guns donated by the USA to regularly shoot at the Russian people of Donbass, a complete restructuring of the consciousness of the citizens of Ukraine is necessary. And the most effective restructuring is religious. The same Galicia, to which the union with Rome was imposed hundreds of years ago, became the most Russophobic region of Ukraine.

Contrary to the Havana promises of the Pope-Jesuit Francis that his organization will cease to operate "methods of uniatism", stop proselytism in traditionally Orthodox territories, the Vatican has rushed to the spiritual conquest of the East of Ukraine.

A large number of Uniate and Catholic churches are being built there, many Latin missionaries arrive there. Hundreds of Uniate and Roman Catholic chaplains are working in the ATO zone, pumping Ukrainian soldiers with anti-Russian xenophobia.

More recently, the 15-17 of December at the Kiev Three-Sacrament Theological Seminary of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church held an entire special missionary conference under the Jesuit name "Catechization in the Eastern Territories of Ukraine", organized by the Vice-President of the "Patriarchal Catechism Commission" nun Louise Tsyup for propaganda campaign of the propagandist, nun Louise Tsyup for propagandist, for propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propagandists, for the propaganda propaganda, for the propagandist, for the propagandist, for the propagandist, for the propagandist, for the propagandist, for the propagandist, for the propagandist, for the propaganda propaganda department. Kyiv-Galician Metropolis of the UGCC. They call their propaganda the union the neutral word "catechism", but the essence does not change.

The imposition of Catholicism and Protestantism was also reflected in the recognition by the puppet authorities of Ukraine of Western Christmas (which only 8% of the population celebrated) as a public holiday.

Interestingly, the state planting of Western confessions in Ukraine is connected with the violent implantation of immorality, with the destruction of the family institution with the help of juvenile justice, school "sex questions", "gay parades", and similar destructive things. Moreover, the Ukrainian Cabinet has adopted a "road map" for the legislative resolution of same-sex "marriages", which includes the right to adopt children.

Pope Jesuit Francis has long been asking Christians to apologize to homosexuals for their “discrimination”, and leaders of major Protestant denominations have already “crowned” them. So they do not just do not object to the eradication of Christian morality, but even act as its “engines”. Accordingly, the majority of their "governors" in Ukraine, who are engaged in neutralizing the protest electorate, opposing the actions of the Poroshenko regime, which destroys the family institution, are being received. However, for many mid-level Maidan propagandists, such a policy of the Maidan authorities was a real shock.

On the radio program of the Christian direction is now moved to the night air. Those who disagree with the LGBT ideology are fired on television. A landmark episode at the end of 2017 took place on one of the largest TV channels in Ukraine.

From the air of the TV channel "UA: First" the program "Vicenza" ("Eternal") was filmed. Its format included the imposition of moral truths.

According to the author and project manager Larisa Poberezhnik, the new producers told her that the program is being closed because the Church and religious leaders do not have the right to speak on Public. This happened during the defense of media projects, which should be released in the new television season. The program manager was also asked about her attitude towards same-sex "marriages", she replied that it was a sin.

“Then the executive producer of NOTU, Lukyan Galkin, with full confidence that I was very surprised, said that European values ​​are“ same-sex marriages ”, and who have a different opinion, I quote him close to the text:“ ... We will arrange for them certification, which they will not stand, and we will dismiss them ", - said Poberezhnyk.

"Viche" was too moral and prosseynoy that became unacceptable for the "wonderful new world" in which Ukraine is now being built. If the presenter declared her tolerance for double sins, declared herself a certain “LGBT Christian”, her program would no doubt remain on the air. Instead, she stood her ground, and after her dismissal she began to lament that the leadership of the TV channel was “unprofessional”, and the “values” of the LGBT movement were allegedly not European. The management of the channel is just quite professionally performing the tasks that the state has set for them, which very effectively destroys the family institution. And these "values" are characteristic of modern Europe, they are imposed by the political leadership of the European Union and the United States, in which it is openly acknowledged.

Ukrainian nationalists have long been warned that this will be the case, but they considered this to be "false propaganda of Moscow" and "Orthodox marginal." However, as the course of events has shown, these absurd maydanshchiki are stupid marginals.

In general, Ukrainian propaganda is quite effective and selective: in some social strata, for example, in the army and "terbats", it spreads Uniatism and Protestantism in an archaic version, in which the sin of sodomy is still condemned. But these social groups are also forbidden to interfere in the state’s policy of promoting this sin, for example, by dispersing “gay parades”.

And in some subcultures, neo-paganism is actively implanted, combined with extreme Russophobia. And it also enjoys ever-increasing support from the state. In general, the "mug" of globalism, disfiguring enslaved Ukraine, is very different, but it always carries within itself a xenophobic hatred of everything Russian and Orthodox.

Recently, a poster with an inscription, which was the cry of the soul of the miserable Ukrainian nationalists, was thrown out on the Maidan: "Saakashvili is in Georgia, Poroshenko is in Gagauzia!" However, they only have the right to shout, and that is not too loud, but others will make decisions ...

In general, Ukraine has a cosmopolitan puppet regime, similar to the "banana" dictatorial republics of Latin America. He is not Bandera, although he carries with it considerable elements of fascism, repressing dissidents, suppressing freedom of speech.

But at the same time, Bandera is only a “pan-servant”. And the top of Ukraine consists of cosmopolitan oligarchs and politicians, for whom the criminal variant of the Russian language is native, whose children are rushing to English.

Today, with the departure of the Russian-speaking Crimea and the Donbass, the Ukrainian language, although, as a rule, in the form of “surzhik”, is native to the majority of the population. But for all the oligarchs who hold the economy and political parties of Ukraine in their hands, the “priblatnenny” Russian is native. Poroshenko, who grew up in the Moldavian SSR, is still confused in Ukrainian, asking his assistants how to speak correctly in the read press. Also, all the main ministerial posts in the government are held by native Russian speakers, although with a completely Russophobic identity, for example, Prime Minister Groisman, Interior Minister Avakov, Defense Minister Poltorak, Foreign Minister Klimkin, Energy Minister Nasalik. "Shchyrim" Ukrainian nationalists, native speakers of the Ukrainian language, gave only the cultural sphere (Minister Yevgeny Nishchuk), and the Ministry of Information (Yuri Stets). Obviously, this is done for further violent Ukrainization. It is allowed to the Minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Avakov in the official sphere to use the Russian language, but for ordinary Russian-speaking people it is forbidden, it is forbidden for their children to attend Russian schools, which are less and less. The stupid Ukrainian nationalists from Lvov tried with Avakov even to sue about this, but the court, naturally, lost. So, the Ukrainian nationalists' sincere support of the “revolution of dignity” was very comic from the point of view of its results: there was no such cosmopolitan elite in Ukraine, let alone falling living standards, a split of the state and war, which was caused by the Maidan.

However, as already mentioned, the fact that Ukraine is a “chimera,” as well-known ethnologist L. Gumilev called such state entities, does not at all prevent it from harming Russia quite effectively.

From the shelling of Donbass, which has increased so much at the end of this year, we again see that the “Minsk format” of relations with the Poroshenko’s aggressive regime does not bring positive results. The format of a conversation with him can bring positive results only if it is immeasurably tougher.
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  1. Lelek
    Lelek 10 January 2018 08: 11 New
    +4
    Ukrainian nationalists have long been warned that this will be the case, but they considered this to be "false propaganda of Moscow" and "Orthodox marginal." However, as the course of events has shown, these absurd maydanshchiki are stupid marginals.
    It is noteworthy in this regard, the recognition of the notorious Biden in his memoirs about his personal participation in the destruction of the former Ukraine and the imposition of pro-Nazi power in it.
    1. dSK
      dSK 10 January 2018 08: 45 New
      +5
      Hello Leo Leonidovich!
      Quote: Lelek
      the destruction of ... Ukraine
      After Hiroshima, the states changed the strategy of the “world war” - instead of short-term in 3-4 years - "creeping aggression". NATO project is "antiRussia". Small countries are swallowed whole, large states are crushed. Ukraine is twice as large as the former Yugoslavia. The states are not interested in preserving a united Ukraine, they are well aware that they cannot drag all of it into NATO.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 10 January 2018 09: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: dsk
        The states are not interested in preserving a united Ukraine, they are well aware that they cannot drag all of it into NATO.


        Good afternoon. Here on this occasion, I would object. IMHO, the states and their ward of NATO needs Ukraine as a whole precisely as "anti-Russia." Not for that, the U.S. and NATO special services for 26 years created Bandera-Nazi battalions in the western regions, spent enormous resources on coups and riots, introduced their tentacles in all the organs of the former state of Ukraine, in order to suddenly support the separatism of the regions with unpredictable results. No, they need all of Ukraine (most of which they have already bought at the root) in order to close the Russian encirclement ring with a minimum missile arrival time.
        1. dSK
          dSK 10 January 2018 09: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Lelek
          they need all of Ukraine
          They need whole planet. Technologies have been successfully developed back in the former Yugoslavia. Yesterday, the States announced their intention to recognize the "independence" of the non-lethal territory of Syria, where the main oil fields. But Russia simply will not give up “Russian” Ukraine. hi
          1. Hoc vince
            Hoc vince 10 January 2018 09: 44 New
            +2
            Ukrainians who came to work at a factory in the Polish village of Verukhovo were forced to wear uniforms in the colors of the national flag of Ukraine, showing Ukraine's place in the family of European peoples.
          2. Alber
            Alber 10 January 2018 10: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: dsk
            Quote: Lelek
            they need all of Ukraine
            They need whole planet. Technologies have been successfully developed back in the former Yugoslavia. Yesterday, the States announced their intention to recognize the "independence" of the non-lethal territory of Syria, where the main oil fields. But Russia simply will not give up “Russian” Ukraine. hi

            Correctly! Will not give up.
            It’s interesting why the Zionist 99% government in Ukraine imposes artificial languages ​​on the Slavic people,
            pits essentially one people against each other,
            organized a slaughter in the east,
            essentially arranged genocide of the Slavic people, native speakers of the Russian language?
            Is the Jews missing their Israel?
            Or there, in Ukraine, they have far-reaching plans?
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            1. avt
              avt 10 January 2018 12: 35 New
              +8
              Quote: Gartna
              Be aware.

              Realize a simple fact. that all of you, great, ancient, "with your
              Quote: Gartna
              you will receive only hatred and contempt in return.

              Go ... by the forest. You received your “independent” national education as a GIFT without a “national liberation struggle”, along with the Baltic states, by the way, with the collapse of the USSR, and your Ponte, Great Ukrainian, Great Lithuanian “in attempts to become near the largest fragment of the USSR – Russia, it’s like a bark Pugs on an elephant. An elephant of a thousandth Mova will not go crazy and goes on according to YOUR business. But what you need to remember at the level of reflexes is that Gogol wrote - ,, I gave birth to you, I will kill you. " God forbid if they repeat with Russia, as with the USSR, you ALL at best will be emergent couches, well, you will return to the state of homeostasis - Polish cattle.
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                1. avt
                  avt 10 January 2018 15: 58 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Gartna
                  Muscovites did not even know what a "plug" is. ))))

                  What is a cutlery?
                  Quote: Gartna
                  "fork".

                  We, in our Horde, knew and used long before you, an euuropeic, who considered this cutlery to be a “devilish” item and who shook hands. What is actually not said about your thoughts, which you are rich in, but quite a chronicle of intelligence reports of Plano Karpini and Wilhelm de Robruca.
                  Quote: Gartna
                  And do not project your slavery and coexistence on others.

                  So your brothers in mystic Kiev are running around with Nazi slogans and we hear about them in the Horde from the song I hear. What? Distorted the language in which the brothers and sisters want to talk with us? bully
                  Quote: Gartna
                  And the first Russian book to the Muscovites was published by the Litvinians (Belarusians) Yan Fedorovich and Peter Mstsislavtsev.

                  So what ? Well, the printing press was invented and our manuscripts began to be copied more quickly.
                  Quote: Gartna
                  By the way, the first Russian language, it’s Old Belarussian,
                  Moreover ! When the ancestors of the future Great Sumerians were simply Russian, they also organized the Slavic-Greek-Latin Academy at the invitation of the tsar in the capital city of Moscow. Well, we do not disdain to learn anything good.
                  bully So what ? Well, there was such a Slavic Hating Speech, and Kiev, together with the Smolensk squad, made Oleg Veshchiy from Nova Gorod and Staraya Ladoga, a mother of Russian cities. Hunting still to measure? Let’s tell you about Rogneda-Goreslov, from whom the Rurikovich began to lead their future great leadership. So what’s mine, or mine
                  Quote: Gartna
                  my sympathy.

                  leave it in your ... purse.
                  Quote: Gartna
                  So assimilate and return to the human state.

                  Well, it’s yourself, again, without us, get your way around in a universal way. We are somehow old-fashioned, in the “Horde traditionally” - heterosexually understand.
                2. demo
                  demo 10 January 2018 20: 45 New
                  +4
                  Gartny: You see, "the first Russian book to Muscovites was printed by the Litvinians (Belarusians) Yan Fedorovich and Peter Msislavtsev."
                  What does this mean?
                  The fact that in the Russian land there was a craving for knowledge, for culture, for reading, in the end. And printed not in Papua New Guinea, nor in North America, nor in Australia. But in Russia.
                  And Russia gave the world Lomonosov, Mendeleev, Tchaikovsky. Do not count the names of the great Russians and not only.
                  And the native Belarusians, thanks to Russia, became known in the world.
                  Not thanks to Poland or Lithuania.
                  Remember, an unknown Belarusian, only a small tree grows and flourishes near a mighty oak.
                  With the arrival of another gardener, small shrubs that are dear to someone tear up.
                  This must be understood if you are not yet small.
            2. Per se.
              Per se. 10 January 2018 12: 42 New
              +7
              Quote: Gartna
              It is necessary to live in peace, not to climb into someone else's house, not to violate the treaty and foreign borders, and then there will be no war. Be aware of.
              You tell the Americans. The fact that "There is no Little Russia" is more correct - there is no Ukraine, everything is Russian land, where only Galicia became the fruit of a mutation from those who just climbed into someone else's house, imposed their charters. However, it’s not for this that you lit up here in order to search for the truth and carry the goods, work your silversmiths in front of the owners.
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                1. avt
                  avt 10 January 2018 16: 07 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Gartna
                  yeah ... what can answer uneducated imperials? Yes, you can answer with a quote from K. Marx

                  bully Ek pushed him - he began to cling to Marx, like a light bully Now let's go to Lenin to consolidate, well, pro, Marx’s Teaching is omnipotent, because it’s true. " bully Oh, to me, these Svidomo-for all cling, even for the sworn commies, who themselves and fiercely hate! bully
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                    1. avt
                      avt 10 January 2018 16: 54 New
                      +5
                      Quote: Gartna
                      Lenin "
                      bully Everything is sweet. Do not cling to Lenin with your brothers and sisters anymore.
                      Quote: avt
                      You do not have the USSR with its Central Committee of the CPSU. Your problems are no one in your favor in accordance with the party line on ,, internationalism "and the development of national suburbs no one!

                      So ,, About the pride of the Great Russians, "there’s nobody else to bring to life here. bully And at Europe you are there only with your pants down. So forget about us, about the Horde and learn Arabic - in Europe it will come in handy. bully
          4. Lelek
            Lelek 11 January 2018 09: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: dsk
            But Russia simply will not give up “Russian” Ukraine.


            In order to "not give" you need to go in there, and taking into account the presence of Nazi military formations, to enter the troops means a direct military conflict, i.e. realize the cherished dream of the Anglo-Saxons. Do you offer this? The other day, there was information that Kiev was giving Odessa to the US Navy base, but this is already serious and fraught.
          5. Lelek
            Lelek 11 January 2018 15: 13 New
            +1
            Quote: dsk
            But Russia simply will not give up “Russian” Ukraine.


            If Sobchaks, Navalny, Gozmans, Ryzhkovs and the like come to power, then they will give not only the "RussianUkraine" but also the Far East DC, and Siberia and the Kaliningrad Region. yes
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 January 2018 10: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: Lelek
          Not for that, the US and NATO special services for 26 years created Bandera-Nazi battalions in the western regions, spent enormous resources on coups and riots, introduced their tentacles in all the organs of the former state of Ukraine,

          Colleague hi What happens on the outskirts is not the merit of the mattress and other special services, but this is a completely failed policy of the Russian Federation regarding the Union republics.
          In order to surround ourselves with friends and not enemies, Russia had every opportunity and even the most important trump card that we and Ukrainians, not even brothers, we are one people.
          1. Phoenix_L'vov
            Phoenix_L'vov 10 January 2018 21: 56 New
            +3
            That is, issuing a loan to Ukraine for 15 billion, providing mass of orders to its factories, providing favorable prices for gas, which Ukraine could resell when choosing large volumes to the West and have hundreds of millions from this, and other buns for Ukraine - is it a “failed policy of the Russian Federation”? ??
            Tell your superiors, let them send you to continuing education courses - you really need it, don’t do the job!
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 10 January 2018 22: 04 New
              +3
              Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
              That is, the issuance of a loan to Ukraine for 15 billion,

              In my opinion, only 3 gave. To give money to their homies to the oligarchs or to work with the population are two big differences.
              Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
              Tell your superiors, let them send you to continuing education courses - you really need it, don’t do the job!

              Have you been given an injection? Otherwise it’s hard to understand the delusionality of fast belay
          2. Lelek
            Lelek 11 January 2018 15: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            ... this is a completely failed policy of the Russian Federation regarding the Union republics.

            I agree. Yes, the dominant Chechord of the 90s, the indecision in the 2000s, the emphasis on economic pressure and the almost complete absence of political work in the territories of the former Soviet republics were one of the factors that these young states “left” in the opposite camp, which was used by cunning Anglo-Saxons. But the main factor of this phenomenon was the greed for money and the power of local elites, who have a “drumming” of history and national identity. And today's Russia has too many problems to, as they say, "grab hold of the cis and n ** with one hand." yes
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 11 January 2018 15: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: Lelek
              But the main factor of this phenomenon was the greed for money and the power of local elites, who “drummed” history and national identity

              Thank you for your understanding! hi drinks
              It remains only to add that before the Ukrainian coup, life in Ukraine was more comfortable and easier than in the Russian Federation and from the point of view of opening a business, taxes, state registration of various kinds, and simply cheaper.
              The outskirts remained much closer to Soviet power than the Russian Federation at that time, even executive committees worked for them.
              There is an opinion that Ukraine was shaken with the participation of the S.S. RF Otherwise, it is unlikely that anyone will argue that the leadership of the Russian Federation was not aware of the situation on the outskirts, provided that the entire top of the local power structures were classmates of ours in Soviet universities, and the president’s godfather was always in the outskirts of power.
              1. Lelek
                Lelek 11 January 2018 15: 44 New
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                the leadership of the Russian Federation did not know about the situation on the outskirts, provided that the entire top of the local power structures were classmates of ours in Soviet universities, and the president’s godfather was always on the outskirts of power


                It is disgusting to say this, but YES, the way it is. And proof of this is the ever-increasing volume of trade with the former Ukraine, which declared us enemy No. 1 and launches the proceeds to destroy the Russians in the Donbass.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 11 January 2018 15: 51 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Lelek
                  It's disgusting to say it, but YES, the way it is

                  Dear Comrade, it is both disgusting and vile and bitter.
                  Quote: Lelek
                  and letting out the proceeds to destroy the Russians in the Donbass.

                  And the worst thing in this story is that the Russians are on both sides. Until Brain’s ideas about the true enemy reach both sides, the war will continue.
                  1. Lelek
                    Lelek 11 January 2018 16: 10 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Dear Comrade, it is both disgusting and vile and bitter.


                    Okay, let’s drop the gloom, it’s not yet evening, and we will turn the tail again.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 11 January 2018 16: 18 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Lelek
                      Okay, let’s drop the gloom, it’s not yet evening, and we will turn the tail again.

                      I agree! Yes, even as a fork !!!! good drinks
                      Grebenshchekov’s new song drew, impressed!
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 10 January 2018 10: 40 New
        +9
        Ukraine was made Russophobe by your own country, by the support of separatism. to say the least! Which country would like this? Look at your talk shows! Daily "Ukraine ... Ukraine ... Ukraine .." As if you yourself have no problems!
        1. avt
          avt 10 January 2018 11: 21 New
          13
          Quote: xetai9977
          Ukraine was made Russophobe by your own country, by the support of separatism. to say the least!

          So you can say more. Russophobic in fact, but of varying degrees of intensity, are ALL national states that have hatched from the ex-Soviet republics of the USSR. Such was the policy of the CPSU leading its ancestry from Lenin’s article “On the Pride of the Great Russians.” Well, your new nazelite naturally builds its uluses on the opposition of the past ,, occupation. ” This is understandable, but how else to explain the collapse of the USSR? Only fear of the imperial essence of Russia, only this can justify aim your own well-being and weakness in state building inherited from the collapse of the earth.
          Quote: xetai9977
          Which country would like this?

          And with what fright should this concern us? You guys really messed up your Wishlist with life. ALL! You do not have the USSR with its Central Committee of the CPSU. Your problems are no one in your favor in accordance with the party’s line on internationalism and the development of national suburbs no one! They themselves are somehow themselves. Just like
          Quote: xetai9977
          As if you yourself have no problems!

          We will solve our problems ourselves, and not for you. Wanted capitalism with independence? Receive and sign. Once again, get used to the fact that your Wishlist will measure your capabilities in relation to our needs. Not looking at what you are ancient, great. That's just like the influx of Ukrainians, from which the Sumerians have already descended.
        2. vasya.pupkin
          vasya.pupkin 10 January 2018 12: 45 New
          +7
          Quote: xetai9977
          Ukraine was made Russophobe by your own country, by the support of separatism. to say the least! Which country would like this? Look at your talk shows! Daily "Ukraine ... Ukraine ... Ukraine .." As if you yourself have no problems!

          While blood will be poured in the Donbass, the question of Little Russia will not be addressed.
          Nevertheless, I must say thank you to the mattresses: if they had not organized a coup, Crimea would never have been in Russia!
        3. Prosha
          Prosha 10 January 2018 15: 19 New
          +5
          They began to make Russophobic Ukraine from the very foundation - the Pereyaslavskaya Rada, first the Poles, then the British, the Germans and beyond, the Americans are the last on this list. And one more thing, no nation, if it does not want this, will not be bitten on the other. If this happens, it means there are deeper roots - and most often it is an attempt in the spirit of Krylov: ... ah, Pug, she is strong to know ... and all this happens only if there is a larger beast behind the jackal. An example of two Koreas - when no one intervenes, there are immediately arguments and questions on which you can agree, but what sworn enemies were ... "they couldn’t eat nearby"
          1. marlin1203
            marlin1203 10 January 2018 16: 45 New
            +3
            The centripetal vector has always been and will be inherent in local leaders (princes), i.e. Become the main in your swamp and milk it personally. And no lofty slogans about the “primary cause”, the most ancient (Mesozoic) history of the people, as well as calculations from Marx-Lenin, cannot hide or hide this. The whole point is in human nature - some unite and build, others rob and rob. Everything else is tinsel.
        4. KaPToC
          KaPToC 11 January 2018 14: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          Ukraine was made Russophobe by your own country, by the support of separatism. to say the least!

          No need to put the cart in front of the horse, at first Russophobia appeared, and only then, after decades - separatism. As always, the Russians harnessed for a long time, but drove off quickly.
    2. Uxus
      Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 07 New
      0
      Give a link to the memoir? possible in the original))
  2. DeGreen
    DeGreen 10 January 2018 08: 17 New
    +3
    It has long been clear that Ukraine is a cut chunk, an enemy. And it is necessary with her, as with the enemy.
    1. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 10 January 2018 08: 40 New
      +3
      And why not?
      Maybe this is the answer?
      Ambassadors of the Russian Federation to Ukraine:
      Chernomyrdin, Victor Stepanovich (May 21, 2001, No. 573 - June 11, 2009, No. 654)
      Zurabov, Mikhail Yurievich (August 5, 2009, No. 937 - July 28, 2016, No. 376)
      Toropov, Sergey Lvovich (July 28, 2016 - the end of 2016) (acting)
      Lukashik, Alexander Petrovich (since the end of 2016) - as Chargé d'Affaires of the Russian Federation in Ukraine
      1. avt
        avt 10 January 2018 10: 24 New
        +9
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Maybe this is the answer?
        Ambassadors of the Russian Federation to Ukraine:

        And the ragul who came to Kiev back in 1991 with their Svidomism, too, the ambassadors of the Russian Federation should have beaten their faces when they just started to jump? What prevented us from holding a "circular defense", as in the Crimea? Well, lay out the statistics - how many were according to the census of those who considered themselves Russian in 1991, and how much is now, it’s in dynamics. Is Russia also to blame? Or maybe yourself? Well, when did you sign up for Ukrainians in order to live without problems, and even become euro-singers on a ball. What? APU -ki direct divisions to the side of LDNR to this day go, again, like almost 80% in the Crimea, switched to the side of the choice of the people of Crimea? Also, the Russian ambassadors are to blame?
        Quote: Gardamir
        The Moscow Kremlin succeeded more in making Ukraine anti-Russian. The first channel from morning till night escalates hatred of Ukraine.

        These are the fraternal brotherhood and fed the horses of the Maidan. Here I have been your Ukraine since 1991 on the phalos. Moreover, here I completely agree with Vajra - Ukraine, as a POLITICAL project, from the very beginning in the thought of the 19th century, is a parasite in Russia, and now it is also deadly, like a Nazi cancer. Do not whine about fraternal peoples, that's all one eventually get the same stubborn Svidomo Natsik. This project really needs to be closed. It is necessary to be full of idiots, so that again, as in the USSR, with the Ukrainian SSR they rushed with Ukrainization, to restore this your Ukraine. In Europe, hi won you build it.
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          1. cannabis
            cannabis 10 January 2018 12: 20 New
            +4
            One hundred years ago Mayakovsky about Poland and its passport: In Polish -
            look,
            as in a goat's poster.
            In Polish -
            they put out their eyes
            in a tight
            police elephant -
            from where, they say,
            and what is this
            geographic news? (Ukraine was not there then) Yes, and now no ......
          2. avt
            avt 10 January 2018 12: 27 New
            +7
            Quote: Gartna
            And personally to your note: Ukraine is a European state, if you do not believe it, use the map.

            Leave the globe of Ukraine to yourself, but at the same time, when you draw like this, according to Baskin’s research on it, the center of Europa - the republic of Belarus
            Quote: Gartna
            Russification of Ukraine

            Remember what and how the Schutzmannschaft battalion UPA in Bclorussia did. Probably the memory is short, or has it been brought up on the new Great Gishtoria with about its hero - a native of Mazovia Kalinovsky? By the way - to my own head learned at St. Petersburg University.
            Quote: Gartna
            And who do you call "raguli"?

            But such newly born great-Ukrainians and great-lithuanians, from whom Yeshua ben Joseph came from, well, in your thoughts, which you are rich in.
            Quote: Gartna
            And what to do with the "rogues" who have come to Kiev, send them to camps, send them to Siberia, or shoot them at the Babi Yar?

            Again, the victim of the neo-education is precisely YOUR brothers in law the descendants of those who shot 60 thousand Soviet prisoners of war and Jews of Kiev, who were offered things to collect and go to Palestine, well, for whom Shukhevych and Bandera are heroes. As regards the actions of Russia, thank God there on the Rune) LDNR is not to be confused with it) everything will return to a state of homeostasis and, as the same Andrei Vajra aptly remarked, they will return to the dung from which Tsar Lesha, the Quiet ". Thank God at the present time, the Russian leadership is helping those who decide their fate by themselves and not in opposing themselves to Russia.
          3. albert
            albert 10 January 2018 22: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Gartna
            And what to do with the "rogues" who have come to Kiev, send them to camps, send them to Siberia, or shoot them at the Babi Yar?

            If they yell "Muscovite gilyaka", why should we be humane to them? Enough of us humanity to Germany in 1945. We must deal with the enemy the way he would like to do with you.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 10 January 2018 09: 13 New
      +4
      chopped chunk
      our ancestors were growing, and the gentlemen of the liberals would only be cut.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 10 January 2018 11: 56 New
        11
        Quote: Gardamir
        our ancestors were growing, and the gentlemen of the liberals would only be cut.

        The Kremlin wants to lay the blame for what happened in Ukraine on the Ukrainians themselves, forgetting that Ukraine (Ukrainians) is not an independent player on the field. This is just a figure that the Americans are moving where they need to go. And the Americans at the same time, for some reason, the Ukrainians themselves are indifferent to the mood and how they relate, say, to the United States. The Kremlin, however, its failure in Ukraine, and not the desire to take this figure for itself (but why not, if it is our former part of Russia!), Justifies the Ukrainians themselves as saying that they treat Russia badly, losing sight of the fact that the Kremlin silently looked 20 years on how Ukrainians are treated with brains, the same Americans.
        What happened in Ukraine is a strategic victory for the United States, and, accordingly, the same strategic failure for Grandmaster Putin. Yes, he did not even dare to tidy up the South-East of Ukraine when he lay on a silver platter in 2014, in the interval between the coup d'etat and the election of Poroshenko! It is surprising that in the Crimea it was enough.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 10 January 2018 17: 44 New
          +6
          Absolutely said. Although this does not please those who believe in the foreign policy genius of GDP
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 11 January 2018 14: 28 New
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          The Kremlin wants to lay the blame for what happened in Ukraine on the Ukrainians themselves, forgetting that Ukraine (Ukrainians) is not an independent player on the field.

          Well, Ukraine, no matter how dependent it is, will win the one whose side the Ukrainians will take. So do not blame the Kremlin.
    3. Prosha
      Prosha 10 January 2018 17: 00 New
      +2
      It’s not necessary with her as an enemy - this is a neighbor and it is necessary with her as a neighbor, a mutually beneficial policy is always needed. Governments come and go, and peoples live for centuries.
    4. Petr1968
      Petr1968 10 January 2018 17: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: DeGreen
      It has long been clear that Ukraine is a cut chunk, an enemy. And it is necessary with her, as with the enemy.

      The divan troops are ready for battle, just point your finger at the enemy !!!! We are here, we will defeat everyone in the interents in a circle, twice !!!
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 January 2018 09: 12 New
    16
    The Moscow Kremlin succeeded more in making Ukraine anti-Russian. The first channel from morning till night escalates hatred of Ukraine.
    Only many who do not know either geography or history do not even know that Ukraine is the same part of Russia as the Urals, Volga Region, Kuban, Siberia, Altai ...
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 10 January 2018 10: 17 New
      +8
      Quote: Gardamir
      The Moscow Kremlin succeeded more in making Ukraine anti-Russian. The first channel from morning till night escalates hatred of Ukraine.
      Only many who do not know either geography or history do not even know that Ukraine is the same part of Russia as the Urals, Volga Region, Kuban, Siberia, Altai ...

      To the very point! +100!
    2. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 10 January 2018 12: 33 New
      +8
      Compare Kremlin policies in the 90s and now. See the differences? And if not, then why the hell are you yelling in tyrnetes: "Politics is a failure, the king is not real." And in the 90s, languages ​​were sitting in one place by stuffing. Why didn’t you play? Or was the right policy in the 90s? And remember - do not compare the Kuban with Ukraine.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 January 2018 14: 01 New
        +3
        And remember - do not compare
        And do not threaten me! Where did you crawl here? In one year, all in the stars.
        And about the 90s you are really tired, by the way, your main where was in the 90s, in the same place in power.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 10 January 2018 19: 12 New
          10
          Where have you been? Hiding in the caches? So now what got out? And I do not threaten the provocateurs, but warn. "Yes, you are a dear little friend."
    3. Prosha
      Prosha 10 January 2018 17: 09 New
      +5
      Only many who do not know any geography

      You can agree with you if you do not know what is happening in Ukraine. Your information about the fact that Ukraine’s part of Russia is already 100 years old. At first Ukraine tried to become independent, then it became the Ukrainian SSR, then it was already a sovereign state within the USSR, and since 1991 it has been a completely separate country, not at all like the Kuban Urals or Altai.
    4. Petr1968
      Petr1968 10 January 2018 17: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      The Moscow Kremlin succeeded more in making Ukraine anti-Russian. The first channel from morning till night escalates hatred of Ukraine.

      The first channel shows what will happen to the country if there is not Putin with friends in power, but another !!! Therefore, we must show more !!! If someone else does not understand, and wants, for example, to live better. That's what happens, and even though your poverty is protected and guaranteed !!! The first and second, young people, are the best channels in the world !!!
  4. Dimy4
    Dimy4 10 January 2018 09: 15 New
    +2
    However, as the course of events showed, these ridiculous marginals are the stupid marginals.

    About ridiculous marginals and Maidan workers. Then the news just passed that in Poland they were forced to wear yellow-black clothes in order to clearly indicate their nationality. It remains only to "KU" to force yourself to speak and clap. The guys jumped to Europe.
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    2. Uxus
      Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 31 New
      +1
      They say in Ryazan - mushrooms with eyes! They are eaten - they look ...
  5. Scud
    Scud 10 January 2018 09: 26 New
    +9
    It is easy to determine that ukrokhunta are the same spiders in the bank, in the struggle for power, which means that for profit they will turn the remnants of the country into uninhabited territory.
    As for me, then rightly so, Khokhlam. The only thing I regret or regret is the real prospect of placing NATO bases near Chernigov and Kharkov.
    Here I will reproach Russia for the first time with insufficient influence on the prevention of catastrophe.
    I believe that it is necessary for Russia to discard all polites, and to prevent disaster with the help of scrap against which there is no reception!
    1. avt
      avt 10 January 2018 10: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: scud
      Here I will reproach Russia for the first time with insufficient influence on the prevention of catastrophe.

      Yes ? And what do you get in the end? I’m not talking about the Western reaction, we’ll survive it somehow. But specifically - that the population
      Quote: scud
      near Chernigov and Kharkov.

      will speak and do? What is in the Donbass, in general, understandable. And for
      Quote: scud
      -the real prospect of the deployment of NATO bases near Chernigov and Kharkov.

      do not worry . Unlike the Baltic states, which jumped directly into NATO during EBN, it will already be a concrete war with NATO. For now, they understand it there, well, after the lesson on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. That’s why they personally fed up on GDP. But if the fear goes away ..... request It’s like in a children's room - Who didn’t hide ....
      1. Petr1968
        Petr1968 11 January 2018 13: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: avt
        In contrast to the Baltic states, which jumped out directly to NATO during EBN, it will already be a concrete war with NATO

        And if we lose in it ... are you ready to die so early? And for what ... I would like to know? Or do you hope to lie down on the stove ?? Want to watch the war on TV ???
    2. Gartny
      Gartny 10 January 2018 12: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: scud
      The only thing I regret or regret is the real prospect of placing NATO bases near Chernigov and Kharkov.

      This is yes, it is very depressing. And you can’t tell how many Poles and Lietuvuses died in Poland or Lithuania from the moment NATO bases appeared there? It is interesting to simply compare with the number of Ukrainians who died, how did the Russian world finally come to Donbass?
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 10 January 2018 12: 35 New
        +8
        Jump from here. Your arguments are De Bi La.
        1. Dimy4
          Dimy4 10 January 2018 13: 45 New
          +4
          Jump from here. The arguments you have De Bi La

          This is an ordinary troll, trying to arrange provocations. You should not pay attention to such ones and prove something, it is useless.
      2. avt
        avt 10 January 2018 12: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Gartna
        , how did the Russian world finally come to Donbass?

        The Russian World has so far only come to Crimea and, according to the official version, two people have died there. It seems five of them, whom the Natsik crushed in the crowd at the parliament, for some reason do not consider. And in the Donbass there is an attempt to complete Ukrainization in the form of stripping.
        Quote: Gartna
        And you can’t tell how many Poles and Lietuvuses died in Poland or Lithuania from the moment NATO bases appeared there?

        I can only say, and indeed you yourself know how much, after gaining the happiness of independence and joining NATO, the population died out and scattered from there. Even with the tragedy of Donbas, not comparable numbers. So leave your mrii about Poland from mozh to mozh. Following the Great Litvinism project, Poland lost after the Time of Troubles of Russia purely in one gates. You all face the fate of the Limitrophs, which in fact you all are, well, since, like the great Ukrainians, they turned out to be system-forming peoples of the Russian Empire, even in past history.
      3. vasya.pupkin
        vasya.pupkin 10 January 2018 13: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Gartna
        Quote: scud
        The only thing I regret or regret is the real prospect of placing NATO bases near Chernigov and Kharkov.

        This is yes, it is very depressing. And you can’t tell how many Poles and Lietuvuses died in Poland or Lithuania from the moment NATO bases appeared there? It is interesting to simply compare with the number of Ukrainians who died, how did the Russian world finally come to Donbass?

        Yes ... and where are you going to hide when mattresses, with the help of psheks and smart people like you, organize your maidan? You will have more blood than in Hohland, because. dad is not a yanyk. He just does not dare.
      4. Prosha
        Prosha 10 January 2018 15: 30 New
        +2
        from the moment NATO bases appeared there

        but let's count how many died, after Minsk starts bombing Kovel or Brest, any reason can be found, most importantly more money and a scream in the Air Force or CNN about the desire to separate from Belarus, you better not ask stupid questions and they won’t be answered same. Suddenly, it will quiet down with Ukraine and will need a new bridgehead, I really do not want to be a seer ...
        PS notice, I'm not the only one on this forum who came to this conclusion
      5. Uxus
        Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Gartna
        Quote: scud
        The only thing I regret or regret is the real prospect of placing NATO bases near Chernigov and Kharkov.

        This is yes, it is very depressing. And you can’t tell how many Poles and Lietuvuses died in Poland or Lithuania from the moment NATO bases appeared there? It is interesting to simply compare with the number of Ukrainians who died, how did the Russian world finally come to Donbass?

        According to a report by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, at least 9758 people were killed and 22779 were injured in eastern Ukraine from the start of the conflict to December 1. Among civilians, more than 2 thousand were killed. The number of wounded civilians is estimated between 6 thousand and 7 thousand people.
        1. Petr1968
          Petr1968 11 January 2018 14: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Uxus
          According to a report by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, at least 9758 people were killed and 22779 were injured in eastern Ukraine from the start of the conflict to December 1. Among civilians, more than 2 thousand were killed. The number of wounded civilians is estimated between 6 thousand and 7 thousand people.

          But they, alone, stopped the spread of the plague of fascism on planet Earth !!!
      6. Petr1968
        Petr1968 11 January 2018 13: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Gartna
        This is yes, it is very depressing. And you can’t tell how many Poles and Lietuvuses died in Poland or Lithuania from the moment NATO bases appeared there? It is interesting to simply compare with the number of Ukrainians who died, how did the Russian world finally come to Donbass?

        And I liked the answer ...))) But ... they don’t think so. Only our military bases in the world should be, because there are polite people. The rest of the world is hostile to hell. Isn't that clear? We are LIGHT, they are EVIL. And you’re talking about it ... learn to think with your head !!!
    3. KaPToC
      KaPToC 11 January 2018 14: 36 New
      0
      Quote: scud
      I believe that it is necessary for Russia to discard all polites, and to prevent disaster with the help of scrap against which there is no reception!

      "Prevention of trouble" is not necessary for anyone except the Ukrainians themselves.
  6. SPLV
    SPLV 10 January 2018 10: 03 New
    +6
    At the moment, the most competent, in my opinion, analytical article on the topic of Ukraine in recent years.
  7. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 10 January 2018 10: 16 New
    +5
    HPP in action, in Syria, on the outskirts! Keep it up! It’s a shame that they have covered themselves over the last 30 years at the very ends of their hair, it remains to get a war!
    1. Petr1968
      Petr1968 11 January 2018 15: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: Antianglosaks
      HPP in action, in Syria, on the outskirts!

      GDP for the president !!!!!
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 January 2018 10: 35 New
    +6
    668 NATO standards used for training
    Hasn't your head cracked yet with so many standards? You can’t learn your language in the army (at best in surzhik and of course Russian), and you have 668 standards. Today, it seems to me that even the last optimist in pink glasses has begun to realize that Ukraine itself will not settle down (settle down) and if new people come to power, they will be even more Russophobic than the previous ones.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 10 January 2018 12: 20 New
      +1
      What difference does it make? If nothing is done with the economy, then the ruin itself will disappear. As the experience of recent years has shown, without financial injections from outside, they cannot exist. After the roundabouts are closed, Ukraine will again take its historical place, walk the fields. Like with the kings. And after 50 years it will crawl back on its knees.
  9. shinobi
    shinobi 10 January 2018 12: 08 New
    0
    The article, another "cry of Yaroslavna."
  10. Fight
    Fight 10 January 2018 14: 43 New
    +1
    Russia is also doing anti-Ukrainian!
    1. Antares
      Antares 11 January 2018 00: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Fight
      Russia is also doing anti-Ukrainian!

      worse, anti-Russian ...
  11. Romin
    Romin 10 January 2018 16: 37 New
    +8
    It is safe to say that at the beginning of 2018, Ukraine was completely under the control of the United States, the EU and their NATO military institute.
    All branches of state power, the SBU and the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the media are controlled.
    There is a systematic process of creating the "new" state of Ukraine, as the antipode of Russia.
    All domestic and foreign policy of Ukraine is aimed at "etching" and squeezing out a neutral and pro-Russian position among the population.
    It is no secret that such an anti-Russian policy in the soft version began to work immediately after the collapse of the USSR. Although Gorbachev under the USSR organized a speech by US President George W. Bush in the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR to the people's deputies of the republic, members of the Cabinet of Ministers of the Ukrainian SSR, representatives of political parties, public organizations on August 1, 1991. I will not give the text, it is on the Internet. And I believe that only for the permission of this speech the KGB should have arrested Gorbachev for treason.
    One can only envy analysts and strategists of the West who have drawn the right conclusions for themselves from too soft and slow planting of the “necessary ideology” in the Baltic countries (although one can only envy, in quotation marks, the EU’s recognition of the institution of non-citizens - this fact can be revealed to lovers of the “West” the true essence of the policy of expansion, as well as this fact, dissolves all the nonsense about tolerance, equality and other European values, as the institution of selective human and subhuman politics is officially recognized).
    Ukraine was too slowly de-routed until 2014.
    Family ties, an almost unified energy and industrial sector interfered very much.
    Until 2014, there remained a very high level of penetration of the cultural-ethnic, socio-economic.
    Naturally, the question arose of how to tear it all up - the answer was found and embodied in the Maidan project
    First the first, then the second with a coup d'etat and the Civil War.
    I am sure the result exceeded all expectations, someone on the other side received stars and bonuses quite deservedly! From how slowly and uncertainly the staff began to master Ukraine, we can conclude that they themselves did not expect such an effect. It is quite reasonable, since they expected opposition from the Russian authorities and, as they say, "judged by themselves" in the variants of this opposition. And obviously they did not expect such a gift as the complete surrender of all pro-Russian positions and the policy of non-interference by the Russian authorities. From the outside, it looked like an escape from Ukraine with the evacuation of Yanukovych.
    What happens to the position of Ukraine in relation to Russia is fully responsible for US and EU policies. And in principle, it is expected that this is a systematic policy of states implementing foreign policy in accordance with their interests. The interests of the USA and the EU in relation to Russia are well known and expected, nothing new. In this context, Ukraine is a wonderful ally and a tool to carry out its part.
    And nothing new, agree, nothing! Someone experienced some kind of illusion in the friendliness and charity of the US and the EU?
    Although our politicians certainly do not experience such illusions, a lot of questions arise about pursuing a foreign policy and defending their interests.
    Let me remind you that:
    1. The President of the Russian Federation (Medvedev) appoints Mr. Zurabov 2009-2016 as ambassador to Ukraine.
    (in my opinion, proved to be completely useless)
    2. The President of the Russian Federation (Putin) evacuates the current President of Ukraine (Yanukovych) from the territory of Ukraine to the territory of Russia, thereby indirectly confirming the self-removal of the current President of Ukraine. (a bad move, it was necessary to organize the protection of the President of Ukraine in one of the cities of the eastern part of Ukraine).
    3. The President of the Russian Federation (Putin) recognizes the results of the referendum in Crimea on March 16, 2014
    (Absolutely justified solution)
    4. The President of the Russian Federation (Putin) does not recognize the results of the referendum of the eastern regions of May 11, 2014
    (But this is perhaps a “turning point” - and a fat minus to the President of the Russian Federation (a certain division into people in the Ukrainian Crimea and nonhumans in the east of Ukraine, I recall, at that time even Slavyansk was not under the control of the Armed Forces), if you follow Putin’s chronology and statements VV, he did not want a referendum in the east:
    "On May 7, Vladimir Putin at a press conference on the outcome of negotiations held in Moscow with OSCE chairman Didier Burkhalter, appealed to federalization supporters in southeastern Ukraine to postpone referendums on separation of the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk from May 11 People’s Republics - in order to create the necessary conditions for “a full-fledged dialogue between the current Kiev authorities and representatives of the south-east of Ukraine.” He also noted that holding early presidential elections in Ukraine on May 25 is “moving in the right direction, but they they’ll decide nothing if all citizens of Ukraine don’t understand how their rights will be guaranteed after these presidential elections are held. ”
    This is Vladimir Putin’s refusal to understand and accept the aspirations of the east of Ukraine, similar to the aspirations of the Ukrainian Crimea.
    Here is the incident;)

    5. The President of the Russian Federation (Putin) recognizes the results of the presidential election in Ukraine of May 25, 2014
    (In my opinion, a controversial and unjustified decision, since the presidential election in Ukraine was not legitimate)

    And then the systematic murder of the Russian-speaking population of eastern Ukraine (the regions of Nikolaev, Odessa, Kherson, Zaporizhzhya, Kharkov, Lugansk and Doneskaya were administratively included in the USSR in 1922 and never were Ukraine - from the word Never)

    This is what I mean: the USA and the EU do not have full responsibility for the situation with Russophobia and the Civil War in Ukraine, there is the same, by weight and contribution, responsibility of the President of the Russian Federation, representing the interests of Russia.

    On the other side, they were stunned by such “our” flight! And now it can be seen from how quietly they master Ukraine that they themselves were not ready for such a development of events! You can only congratulate them. But our questions remained ...

    And you, respected by yourself, are not ridiculous, repeat that year, that Ukraine will fall apart. Let it not fall apart, just as Russia did not fall apart in 1994. Stop living illusions!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 10 January 2018 17: 58 New
      +6
      totally agree. Just need to be clarified, Ukraine has been under the control of the United States, the EU and their NATO military institute since 1991, from the moment of the referendum. Whoever was the president of Ukraine, their activities always went to an alliance with NATO. There is not and there was not a single President of Ukraine who would be inclined to an alliance with Russia
    2. Petr1968
      Petr1968 10 January 2018 17: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Romin
      It is safe to say that at the beginning of 2018, Ukraine was completely under the control of the United States, the EU and their NATO military institute.

      So you can say about the whole world, except Russia !!!!!
  12. Olezhek
    Olezhek 10 January 2018 17: 21 New
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    You know - they themselves chose their fate ...
    Somehow already do not care ...
    Got sick
  13. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 17: 48 New
    +7
    Quote: Gardamir
    The Moscow Kremlin succeeded more in making Ukraine anti-Russian. The first channel from morning till night escalates hatred of Ukraine.

    exactly said. Moreover, I add, the Kremlin is interested in such an interpretation of what is happening, because it is a “vaccine” (according to the Kremlin) from fermentation inside Russia. Analyze the passions before the election, if you are not for GDP, then be sure to be an American spy or "want it like in Ukraine." Forcing psychosis to power
  14. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 17: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Okolotochny
    Compare Kremlin policies in the 90s and now. See the differences?

    if in Ukraine, then there is no difference. Now we are reaping the fruits of inaction in the 90s. I know the situation in Ukraine not by hearsay
  15. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 17: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: shinobi
    If nothing is done with the economy, then the ruin itself will disappear

    will not disappear. This project will be kept to a minimum as long as it makes sense. And the expediency of the EU in the confrontation with the Russian Federation lasts for centuries
  16. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 18: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: avt
    What prevented, as in the Crimea, from holding a “circular defense?” Well, lay out the statistics - how many were according to the census who considered themselves Russian in 1991, and how many now, now it’s in dynamics. Is Russia also to blame?

    you give arguments that just emphasize the differences in the approach to Ukraine of the United States and the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation believed that everything could be decided through presidents or oligarchs. They nodded their heads, spoke of “eternal love” and stole, stole. Their eyes and children were already in the West.
    The United States worked not only with the same individuals, but also at the bottom. Funded NCD, worked with the public.
    When the Russian Federation lost touch with Yanukovych, the United States brought to light unknown characters who made the coup. Note that in Ukraine, it was not particularly anyone who resisted. The coup received ligitimization by the people who supported it.
    1. avt
      avt 10 January 2018 18: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Overlock
      you give arguments that just emphasize the differences in the approach to Ukraine of the United States and the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation believed that everything could be decided through presidents or oligarchs.

      wassat You did not live in Russia in the 90s! ?? Yes, we almost lost Russia! Serbia in fact merged in part of the work of diplomats, at least. Only 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX really showed teeth and then easy.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 10 January 2018 18: 58 New
        +2
        lived. But we are talking about Ukraine! Glory to the GDP that saved Russia, but did not deal with Ukraine
        1. avt
          avt 10 January 2018 20: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Overlock
          Glory to the GDP that saved Russia, but did not deal with Ukraine

          That is, to chew and whistle at the same time ???? Let's be honest and without guile - and WHAT was the text in the referendum in the Donbass? Yes, if the Maidanoons, stupefied by permissiveness, didn’t use force to press, but quietly on the brakes, as they used to be in Crimea after Meshkov, they would rob autonomy. It is not known what and how it would have unfolded in LDNR. The APU would stand on the border with Russia.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 10 January 2018 20: 56 New
            +1
            I do not discuss the situation in the Donbass. She is the logical result of the development of Ukraine since 1991.
            Quote: avt
            Would stand APU-ki on the border with Russia.

            and how many km are the borders of Ukraine with Russia? There that, APU will not get up? However, despite the LDNR in the Voronezh region of the Russian Federation, the army deployed.
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 18: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: Petr1968
    The first channel shows what will happen to the country if there is not Putin with friends in power, but another !!! Therefore, we must show more !!!

    this is a deliberate escalation of passions before the election
  18. Bgfen
    Bgfen 10 January 2018 18: 16 New
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    But what link pops up in. - http://marketsignal.ru/2018/01/05/25-faktov-o-kie
    vskoj-rusi-kotorye-dolzhny-znat-vse-russkie /? utm_
    source = politobzor.net
  19. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 18: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: Stas157
    It is surprising that in the Crimea it was enough.

    I think that his decision was based on several points.
    1. Russia would be squeezed out of the Crimea and there would be a US base with all the ensuing consequences.
    2. Squeezing Russia out of Crimea would be perceived by the Russian population as a national disgrace, but this is not forgotten.
    3. Near the coast of Crimea was supposed to pass a gas pipeline to Bulgaria. When Crimea crossed the United States, a problem arose with its security and control.
    4. the question of preserving the Russian population of Crimea, if there was one, was in the last place or was not considered at all.
  20. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 21: 01 New
    +3
    Quote: avt
    at one time in Crimea after Meshkov, they robbed autonomy

    Well, this is something I know. If then Russia had shown courage and accepted Crimea, then the locals would not have surrendered Meshkov to Ukraine. If memory serves, then the referendum was a question of dual citizenship and the restoration of autonomy. Moscow then did not want to butt with Ukraine because of the Crimea and the question of independence was withdrawn.
  21. Overlock
    Overlock 10 January 2018 22: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
    That is, issuing a loan to Ukraine for 15 billion, providing mass of orders to its factories, providing favorable prices for gas, which Ukraine could resell when choosing large volumes to the West and have hundreds of millions from this, and other buns for Ukraine - is it a “failed policy of the Russian Federation”? ??

    from the point of view of Ukraine, successful, everyone stole.
    From the point of view of Russia, it’s a failure, they all plundered and rushed to the West. Russia funded the escape of Ukraine to the West
  22. alavrin
    alavrin 10 January 2018 22: 09 New
    +3
    Today I read about the Croatian Ustash, famous for the atrocities during the war. And I caught myself thinking that somewhere I already heard this and more recently:
    “The views on the“ Croatian mission ”- the struggle of Croatia against the“ East ”in the interests of European civilization occupied a special place in the ideology of the Ustashi. Milan Schufflay, who published works on Croatian history and identity, became the author of these ideas. He stated that “Croatian nationalism should be the fortress wall of Western civilization.” Ustash cultivators on the other side of the “wall” saw Serbs belonging to “Byzantism.” They considered the Drina River to be the boundary of the clash between “West” and “East.” The ideologists of the Ustash movement, including among Mile Budak, they said that the Croats became the “border pillar” that the “onslaught of the Eastern Church" crashed into. In their opinion, this played a crucial role in the history of Europe, as it “stopped the penetration of Byzantium into Europe." Mladen Lorkovich stated that Croatia’s mission is to confront the Serbs, who, he believed, personified the “East” that the Croat hated. "
  23. sabakina
    sabakina 10 January 2018 23: 18 New
    +2
    to strengthen the southwestern border, which has now actually become our border with NATO.

    Remembering the film “The Battle for Moscow,” JV Stalin made a mistake not with the direction, but with the year. So after that do not believe in mysticism.
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    1. Uxus
      Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 43 New
      0
      They’ll spoil you now ... But nobody wants to hear the truth here. Units can.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 11 January 2018 14: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Oilpartizan
      He forgot or did not know that Ukrainians would not succeed in taking the land without a fight.

      The Americans and Germans took all of Ukraine completely without a fight.
      Quote: Oilpartizan
      And when, under the weight of human and material losses, finally

      What kind of heavy losses did Russia suffer? But no!
      Quote: Oilpartizan
      "It's your fault that I want to eat."

      Western trances (TNCs) eat Ukraine
  25. 82т11
    82т11 11 January 2018 00: 02 New
    +2
    You know, the Yankees have an expression verbatim I don’t remember, but it’s like “With a kind word and a gun you can achieve much more than just a kind word
    I mean, it's time to move from words to deeds: to carry out ideological work with the population and to supply defensive)) weapons to those groups who are ready to provide armed resistance to the Natsiks. And you look after 10 years it will again be our land.
    But if we just talk on TV, then Natsik there for centuries ahead of the Russian population and adequate Ukrainians cleaned up.
    1. Antares
      Antares 11 January 2018 00: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: 82т11
      carry out ideological work with the population and supply defensive)) weapons to those groups who are ready to provide armed resistance to the Natsiks.

      it has long been, even the help of the military and winds for the status quo was ..
      This even makes Ukraine the number one enemy of the Russian Federation, as the population sees who is supporting separatism. (Chechnya is still remembered for the help of Ukrainian nationalists, but here the whole of the Russian Federation helps the ORDILO officially and not officially, the scale cannot be compared)
      Quote: 82т11
      And you look after 10 years it will again be our land.

      It was 4 years of such "help" .. Ukrainians finally realized that the Russian Federation helps the separatists (uses them as a thorn) and the militias understand that they are only a tool for KhPP and MS. Such assistance not only separates, but further alienates the Russian Federation from Ukraine.
      Quote: 82т11
      But if we just talk on TV, then Natsik there for centuries ahead of the Russian population and adequate Ukrainians cleaned up.

      Is there any purpose? There is a situational decision, incomplete. The "Russian population" is not necessary even in the Russian Federation, not like in Ukraine, adequate Ukrainians are dangerous for the Kremlin and Kiev .. it’s better to destroy them in the fields too.
      Ukraine is made by AntiRF - the very same Russian Federation. Partners only adjust the development. Well, they advise. Partners in the Kremlin are doing their part.
      Ukraine is convenient for everyone. for the Russian Federation it’s generally an idol .. just look at the idol! Do you want the same? So be silent.
      1. 82т11
        82т11 11 January 2018 09: 32 New
        +1
        Dear Antares, when you write something, then re-read it!
        1. Do you think that since 1994 the Natsiks have supported the militants in Chechnya? And what did Russia do to you in 1994, could Crimea be squeezed out? Mine Natsik also in Georgia in 2008 noted. Note this was all until 2014! And now, these Natsiks rule Ukraine openly, so Russia's actions are logical, although we realized it too late.
        By the way, tell me ignoramus how many Ukrainians live in Chechnya and Georgia? But in Ukraine there are many Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, we protect them from the Nazis.
        2. As can be seen from the above, it was our toothlessness from 1994 to 2014 that led to the current situation. And now Russia is restoring historical justice, returning the original Russian lands and helping Russians and Russian speakers.
        By the way, 90% of people living in Ukraine are Russian-speaking even your Natsik and the government, and they speak Russian!
  26. Uxus
    Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 09 New
    0
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
    That is, the issuance of a loan to Ukraine for 15 billion,

    In my opinion, only 3 gave.

    Which muddied Yanukovych)
  27. Uxus
    Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    The Moscow Kremlin succeeded more in making Ukraine anti-Russian. The first channel from morning till night escalates hatred of Ukraine.

    This is smart.
    Quote: Gardamir
    Only many who do not know either geography or history do not even know that Ukraine is the same part of Russia as the Urals, Volga Region, Kuban, Siberia, Altai ...

    And this is ridiculous sorry))
  28. Uxus
    Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 34 New
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    Quote: shinobi
    What difference does it make? If nothing is done with the economy, then the ruin itself will disappear. As the experience of recent years has shown, without financial injections from outside, they cannot exist. After the roundabouts are closed, Ukraine will again take its historical place, walk the fields. Like with the kings. And after 50 years it will crawl back on its knees.

    You live the main thing, at least rejoice in old age))
  29. Uxus
    Uxus 11 January 2018 13: 45 New
    0
    Quote: 82т11
    Dear Antares, when you write something, then re-read it!
    But in Ukraine there are many Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, we protect them from the Nazis.
    By the way, 90% of people living in Ukraine are Russian-speaking even your Natsik and the government, and they speak Russian!

    I am Russian and Russian speaking. Get off with your protection.
    1. 82т11
      82т11 11 January 2018 13: 55 New
      +1
      What Russian are you!
      You are not Russian, since the fact that they killed ours in Chechnya did not upset you!
      Russians are killed in the DPR and LPR, the Russian language is forbidden to be taught in schools, the monuments of the Second World War are destroyed, and everything suits you!
      No, you are not Russian, you are a traitor to your people and an ancestral memorial!
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        1. 82т11
          82т11 11 January 2018 17: 32 New
          +1
          So the video on which Ukrainian "patriots" rush at sellers in stores for speaking Russian is a statement! Yes, you just opened my eyes!
          Listen, and maybe the law on education because of which Ukraine quarreled with Hungary and Romania, is this fake of the Kremlin propagandists the same?
          And at the expense of your quote, I don’t ask how good or bad the Russian troops fought in Chechnya. I ask that there Ukrainian Natsik forgot? How many millions of Ukrainians then lived in Chechnya?

          Quote: 82т11
          Dear Antares, when you write something, then re-read it!
          1. Do you think that since 1994 the Natsiks have supported the militants in Chechnya? And what did Russia do to you in 1994, could Crimea be squeezed out? Mine Natsik also in Georgia in 2008 noted. Note this was all until 2014! And now, these Natsiks rule Ukraine openly, so Russia's actions are logical, although we realized it too late.
          By the way, tell me ignoramus how many Ukrainians live in Chechnya and Georgia? But in Ukraine there are many Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, we protect them from the Nazis!

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            1. 82т11
              82т11 13 January 2018 17: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Uxus

              “The day before, in Crimea, they awarded the militias who fought in the Donbass. One of the militias recognized Aleksey MILCHAKOV, a well-known neo-Nazi from St. Petersburg. MILCHAKOV became famous for posting photographs on the network in which he dismembers the puppy and then eats it. MILCHAKOV did not hide that adheres to neo-Nazi views. In 2014, he volunteered for the Donbass. "

              I understand that you got it from the Ukrainian media? But I don’t have confidence in them, they still don’t write that the militants of the DPR and LPR are eating babies and raping Ukrainians? If not, I think they will start soon)

              As for Hungary and Romania, now the commission has not found violations and will find tomorrow, it's Europeans)

              Quote: Uxus

              What sideways is the video about sellers here? What does the number of Ukrainians living in Chechnya have to do with what I said?


              The video here despite the fact that I don’t understand something, does it not irritate YOU that some kind of Nazi face digs into people for what they speak Russian?

              Well, the last comparison of Chechnya with the Donbass is not correct. Russians live in the Donbas, here is our Government and patriots and help as they can, but there were no Ukrainians in Chechnya and what did the Ukrainian "patriots" do there? Perhaps the Ukrainian Natsik in 1994 saw what Russia would do in 2014? Although most likely they just went to Chechnya to kill the Russians, and now we have every right to kill all Ukrainian nationalists! Here is such a pendulum.

              I hope to prove to you that the Ukrainian Nazis do not need to send power to Ukraine?)
  30. turbris
    turbris 11 January 2018 14: 23 New
    0
    As for Ukraine, some mistakenly believe that the regime in Ukraine will change and the “friendship” will return? Whatever the case, there will no longer be any “friendship” in the foreseeable future, at best, the level of anti-Russian propaganda will decrease, and the level of mutually beneficial trade may increase. The policy of playing on the “two chairs” will continue, to knock out financial preferences from both sides, maybe the new government in Ukraine will refuse to exalt the Nazis at the legal level, but will do so illegally. As the economic situation worsens, one can expect everything from our neighbor, right up to armed provocations on the border with Russia. As for the Donbass, Russia needs to take it into its membership - this is the only way to end the armed conflict. Russia has nothing to hope for the lifting of sanctions, which means there is nothing to be afraid of any movements from the "world" community, they will make noise and shut up.
    1. 82т11
      82т11 11 January 2018 15: 40 New
      +1
      First you need to help Donbass win the war and liberate Kiev, and then it’s already possible to join Russia.
      1. Uxus
        Uxus 12 January 2018 16: 18 New
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        Help. What is stopping you?
        1. 82т11
          82т11 13 January 2018 17: 01 New
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          Quote: Uxus
          Quote: 82т11
          Dear Antares, when you write something, then re-read it!
          But in Ukraine there are many Russian and Russian-speaking Ukrainians, we protect them from the Nazis.
          By the way, 90% of people living in Ukraine are Russian-speaking even your Natsik and the government, and they speak Russian!

          I am Russian and Russian speaking. Get off with your protection.


          You’re kind of Russian so speak us)

          They stop us:
          - the money that officials keep abroad - I hope the Americans will impose their sanctions and take them away)
          - after Ukraine joins, it will come to restore it, and Russia is not such a rich country
          - Well, people like you who immediately start yelling “we said that Russia is at war with us” and the people of Ukraine will believe and go to sign up for resistance. Although, of course, not everything is so simple here, because through the efforts of Poroshenko, the majority of the working-age population of Ukraine fled to Europe and Russia to work, again a low standard of living in Ukraine. So it is not a fact that there are many people willing to defend the oligarch Poroshenko and others with weapons in their hands.
  31. iouris
    iouris 12 January 2018 12: 35 New
    +1
    From where Russia retreated, a vacuum is formed. The vacuum is filling. Anti-Russia is formed. There is no anti-wag.
  32. Normal ok
    Normal ok 15 January 2018 01: 34 New
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    Ukraine is doing more and more anti-Russian

    And VO makes a feasible contribution to this matter. It is enough for a resident of Ukraine to read VO in order to stop treating Russia well.