Why will some not have a pension? The Minister spoke about the reasons

Earlier in social networks it was reported that the Pension Fund of Russia was denied to some citizens of the Russian Federation who reached the retirement age to assign an old-age pension. This information initially caused skeptical user ratings, but soon, in fact, found official confirmation.

So, in an interview with the publication "Russian newspaper" Minister of Labor and Social Policy Maxim Topilin confirmed information about the refusal to assign an insurance pension to a number of Russians. According to the federal minister, instead of an insurance pension, a so-called social pension was granted to citizens. Its size, as we know, is significantly lower than the insurance.

Topilin noted that such a decision was reached by the FIU, based on the fact that the citizens who applied to the fund did not have enough accumulated work experience and so-called “pension” points.

Recall that earlier the FIU stated that there are no pensioners in Russia whose monthly income would be below the subsistence minimum.
In the case of a small pension, there is a surcharge from the fund up to the size of the subsistence minimum in the region of residence.

If the FIU began to deny the working Russians who have reached retirement age, in the calculation of the insurance pension, then, in fact, this is the first step to raising the retirement age.

Comments

[brelok]

if a person has no seniority. Well is this a man like that? Not otherwise free professions. Anyone who injected a pension on any receive.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: brelok

who injected a pension for any receive.

Or maybe not! Everything can be with us, they don’t do recalculation, and generally they want to not pay a pension to workers!

[tchoni]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: brelok

who injected a pension for any receive.

Or maybe not! Everything can be with us, they don’t do recalculation, and generally they want to not pay a pension to workers!

The truth is))) The country is like that! Everything that has been put in place for a long time has been laid. This is not only a pension. Many aspects. Let’s say the processing - it is supposed to give up a choice: double payment or a day off .... in fact, if you are very lucky - they will give a day off ... and in the vast majority of cases they will forgive))) Attempts to go "for the truth" in 99% of cases end dismissal of truth

[Victor N]

What about the country? The union needs to be created. By yourself.

[serezhasoldatow]

You are apparently out of luck. We have the chief man of the word. If necessary, then we work in excess, but the return ... only +++

[siberalt]

Why procrastinate certain facts if we do not know anything specific. Just ahead of the election. It is not in vain that it announced an increase in excise taxes on the same cigarettes, which will hurt those who always go to vote.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: siberalt

Why procrastinate certain facts if we do not know anything specific. Just ahead of the election. It is not in vain that it announced an increase in excise taxes on the same cigarettes, which will hurt those who always go to vote.

The increase in excise taxes on cigarettes gives a reason to slowly smoke and think in front of your polling station for whom to tick But the fact is that in the regions people work for a penny and upon reaching retirement age they simply do not have these damned points (the calculation of which is affected by the size of their salary), therefore they can only rely on a social pension (minimum). Or, how option, to hunch until you stretch your legs. So is the true face of capitalism .. more precisely, grin. Let’s continue for the representative of capitalism in Russia in the elections?

[spirit]

We also have 70 percent of small and medium-sized businesses in the shadow economy, not because they wanted to, but because they need it, and people don’t get the same pensions there), but in general everyone who is a little aware of current affairs in the pension fund has long been predicting that soon, instead of money, food cards will be issued, and then at best

[vlad_vlad]

Quote: spirit

We also have 70 percent of small and medium-sized businesses in the shadow economy, not because they wanted to, but because they need it, and people don’t get the same pensions there), but in general everyone who is a little aware of current affairs in the pension fund has long been predicting that soon, instead of money, food cards will be issued, and then at best

Yes, you are a liberal, my friend. only liberals are ready to neglect the great-power greatness of Russia for the sake of some little things like pension, medicine, etc.

no really. problems in Ukraine are more important. and the Americans, in fact, indigenous populated 300 years ago - that’s what you need to think about!

[spirit]

Correctly and you can eat and herbs) GDP recommends)

[Skifotavr]

Quote: spirit

Correctly and you can eat and herbs) GDP recommends)

Poor starving, come to us, feed ourselves! We have a lot of grass!

[nik-karata]

You can’t say more precisely! 1000+

[210ox]

By the way, I’ve raised my seniority. I don’t know how many such people were found .. You correctly noticed-who worked all his conscious life-should receive a pension. It may actually be from the category of "lobotryas".

Quote: brelok

if a person has no seniority. Well is this a man like that? Not otherwise free professions. Anyone who injected a pension on any receive.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

If the FIU began to deny the working Russians who have reached retirement age, in the calculation of the insurance pension, then, in fact, this is the first step to raising the retirement age.

after the elections, we build in the cemetery ...

[Alex 2016]

In Russia, everything is mostly private, enterprises, shops, etc. and not all traders \ businessmen officially formalize workers. They want to save on taxes and deductions. Yes, and for officially working do not always make deductions. And all services (tax and other parasitic authorities) are aware of this. And they do nothing. I know from my situation. Hucksters profitable to hire chocks. You need to pay less and no need to complain.

[Hey]

Recall 90 when there was no work, and therefore seniority.

[nik-karata]

My friend (himself 60) has an official experience of 10 years (the rest is private traders). In general, they refused any pension, they said that even for a minimum wage, let him work another 5 years !!!
Now GDP has lifted min experience to 15 years,
... and they say (in Moscow they are milking chickens) that by 2025 they will raise to 25 the minimum length of service for the minimum pension !!! At the rumor level !!!

[Spartanez300]

Situations are different, why there is no experience or it is not enough and now let him die of hunger, it turns out he is no longer a man.

[Victor N]

I wonder who for me should think about MY pension ?! If this is not dependency, then what?

[peta locksmith]

a common person! My mother-in-law’s sister, a housewife, lived in ZATO (defense industry), the money was good, the wife poked at home, she has no labor, the result is a social pension
the same thing with the wives of the military — they live in military towns or at the border post — there is nowhere to work — unless a physician and a teacher — just wait for a husband and bring up children — the result is a social pension
and about the fact that the one who worked hard - father-in -42 years of experience - the result - a pension of 14500 rubles. - and everyone around says that the pension is good - yeah - pay a communal apartment and go to the store three times

[VALERIK_097]

Tomorrow I’ll go for the appointment of a pension (118 pension points, North, 1st list, leaving at age 45, state representative office) Unsubscribe, be sure to laugh together.

[long in stock.]

only laughter through tears will be ...

[VALERIK_097]

I was pleasantly surprised 19286 + 2400 for my daughter (full-time student). I forgot to add to the initial data the work in ZATO Ostrovnoy (Gremikha) -city of flying dogs. (3 trips of 2 months)
There are poles and a north coefficient of 80%.
And the calculation was made to me with the correction K-0,8, and not as usual K-0,4.

[Victor N]

There are many such that they received their salaries in envelopes, did not pay taxes and fees, and now they are glad to make noise about "social justice."

[FID]

Quote: Victor N

There are many such that they received their salaries in envelopes, did not pay taxes and fees, and now they are glad to make noise about "social justice."

I apologize, Victor, I have been working for aviation all my life, the salary is OFFICIAL, and in the USSR the salary was quite decent ... Now, a pensioner - a pension of 19600. Can I live for this in Moscow? And I ask you, do not push the envelopes ... they were received by lovers of quick profit, but not hard workers.

[Svetlana]

Quote: SSI

And I ask you, do not push the envelopes ... they were received by lovers of quick profit, but not hard workers.

Why not push the envelopes? In the 90 and the beginning of the 2000, the majority received money in envelopes, and what does it have to do with it, if such conditions were almost everywhere? The need to feed the family is not a desire for quick profit, but hopelessness. Not everyone could work for aviation. At many factories, hard workers received one money in an envelope, and signed in the white sheet for completely different ones. The employer avoided taxes so much. Now this is also practiced. And how can this be avoided if there is really no work anywhere? People are happy to work on any conditions. You have to live.
In general, all this mess has already got.

[Dr_engie]

And what if there is often simply no other job.

[forty-eighth]

Well, those who in 2017 applied for a pension around 1957, which means that they worked at least half of their labor activity under the USSR, in which there were no salaries in envelopes.
Maybe the problem is still not in the envelopes?

[DEDPIHTO]

Tooting .. it’s all a matter of the system of pension points maintained by the comprador government. Only the amount of points determines the size of the pension and the points, in turn, depend on the size of the salary. And where are they, high salaries ??? .. correctly, among officials and law enforcement agencies , protecting them. Uncle officially stayed for 7 years in a warm chair with a salary of 100-200 thousand (and still managed to dive) and retired with the payment of 40-50 thousand, the rest of the time until retirement he can unofficially do whatever he wants ... . The guy officially worked as a mechanic for 30 years with a salary of 15-20 thousand and went to retirement with a payment of 10-12 thousand. These two different representatives are the same only by age of retirement.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Victor N

There are many such that they received their salaries in envelopes, did not pay taxes and fees, and now they are glad to make noise about "social justice."

He worked all his life in factories. He earned 12 and a half pensions at the maximum trimmed coefficient. I paid 10 for an apartment in December. Therefore, I continue to work. By the way, there will be no increase in pension, since I work.

Quote: forty-eighth

Maybe the problem is still not in the envelopes?

The problem is definitely not in the envelopes. It’s hard not to guess what. And the conditions for the envelopes were not invented by working people.

Quote: Muvka

So what are you not using the benefits?

Came and received. Oh well!

Quote: zhekazs

Yes, the minister doesn’t seem to be from Putin’s team, since he started this before the election.

There are no others there.

Quote: DEPHIHTO

The increase in excise taxes on cigarettes gives reason to slowly smoke and think in front of your polling station for whom to tick lol

This, yes!

[Observer2014]

brelok

Anyone who injected a pension for any receive.

They started dreaming. Now, after the election, the retirement age will increase. And voila. I also finished it at the cemetery.

[spirit]

In the Pence Fund, a hole the size of our country) should be put off to your personal account every month and not give the boyars a sun

[mole]

Quote: spirit

In the Pence Fund, a hole the size of our country) should be put off to your personal account every month and not give the boyars a sun

Put off or not put off, but the result is all one. Depreciate the savings, there are many ways to "divorce".

[peta locksmith]

and even steal, if stored in a bank, example 1998

[Svetlana]

Quote: spirit

In the Pence Fund, a hole the size of our country) should be put off to your personal account every month and not give the boyars a sun

And so you will present to our beloved bankers when they say that your account with the code 810 was opened at pre-denomination rubles.

[long in stock.]

from your PERSONAL account this money can fly away one moment ... swam, we know.

[Giants]

Now a very difficult political situation in the world, and in general our Fatherland is in danger. And you about some pensions. Not ashamed? A true patriot should close his eyes immediately after retirement, or live a bit, but voluntarily refuse it

[corporal]

Quote: brelok

Well is this a man like that?

Former sitters. And rightly so, for it’s not fucking to equalize the hard workers, who plowed all their lives in factories and Urkogans, who trampled the zone all their lives.

[Hey]

Former sitters.

For such and no one will say a word.

[Svetlana]

Quote: MUD

Former sitters.

For such and no one will say a word.

Sidelords are also different. From prison and from sumy do not renounce.

[long in stock.]

I’m like that. I have nowhere to work in my profession in the office. And there is no desire to feed the parasites. I work on my own. And I know very well that I will work until I die. and by that time, our state will cease to pay pensioners in general. Everything is moving towards this. To avoid trepidation about free professions, I’m a sculptor of architectural details.

[Gardamir]

no seniority. Well is this a man like that?

I’ll tell you a secret Some were forced to integrate into the market. Someone did not record seniority, motivating them to give a big salary in this way ...

[Svetlana]

Quote: Gardamir

no seniority. Well is this a man like that?

I’ll tell you a secret Some were forced to integrate into the market. Someone did not record seniority, motivating them to give a big salary in this way ...

Yes, not some, but all in small and medium-sized businesses. There were no fools to pay frantic contributions to social funds. Unless in Gazprom or Rosneft or in large enterprises of the defense complex.

[Beholder]

A mother raising her two children does not have any seniority. Is this a bad person?

[Dedall]

After retirement, one doctor was accrued with the amount of 8600 rubles. This is with 35 years of the herd and benefits for working in special climatic zones. But the "side man" with 2 years of experience in the colonies receives 12,5 thousand. This is all the result of the work of our laws.

[Dr_engie]

Well, live in the village all your life, where there is no work, one garden and fishing, if you're lucky, people live. And look at you later.

[Herculesic]

It seems that the minister should have resigned, at least! It is not in its place, as are 97 percent of ministers and their deputies. They want to provoke a social explosion, and subsequently a revolution of the ukroinskaya type, with stupid decrees? This is not the Minister’s natural stupidity, this is a deliberate trick to incite a popular explosion as a result of dissatisfaction with such a government policy.

[zhekazs]

Yes, the minister doesn’t seem to be from Putin’s team, since he started this before the election.

[PSih2097]

Quote: zhekazs

Yes, the minister doesn’t seem to be from Putin’s team, since he started this before the election.

he would have to gain a comfortable old age and that’s all ... He wanted to chut on Putin ...

[Alex 2016]

It has long been scored. And yourself and your family.

[Vadim237]

But this is good.

[peta locksmith]

in Russia, the spheres of influence are clearly divided: the gas oligarchy dances foreign policy with the guarantor, well, also a bridge to the Crimea, and the oil oligarchs from the precolkhoz on backing vocals and his ministers, including to Siluanov, given the vastness and population of Russia over which they have been experimenting for a year — health care has been enlarged so that women in the fields begin to give birth soon, or experiments with pensions hit the people on the head, and they look into their eyes and ask how , like your program, or else you want

[shura7782]

peta locksmith
It is incomprehensible to Petro that he was so excited. For you, Medvedev is POWER !!! So vote, as I wanted, for your poor stability, and here he burst into tears so much that he pitied some of the members of the forum.

[peta locksmith]

I’m writing in Russian!
do you read my comments obliquely?
I explain for foreigners:
Medvedev for me - not power - like a collective farm called the government
I do not grieve and do not cry - I just cited the facts about the collapse of health care and pension provision
even foreigners like you should know about the mess in these areas - or not?
I did not vote for Medvedev and I am not going to
what, nafig, poor stability!
where did you see her - stability?
Do you live in Russia in general, or are you just covering yourself with tricolor?

[shura7782]

I’m writing in Russian!
Do not write in Russian, but in your dense ignorant language. At school it was necessary to study well, and not to drive a fool. I see that even now at work you are messing around.

[peta locksmith]

cit ... "Do not write in Russian, but in your dense ignorant language."

of course, well, where can I compare with your knowledge of the Russian language and spelling (emphasis on the second "a")

nobody compares with your degree of denseness - especially since I

[serge siberian]

How is there no stability? And a stable rise in prices? And the dollar for 17 years has only tripled. And gasoline is forty times. Isn't that stability?

[Vadim237]

Russia is one of the safest countries in the world - of course, we have stability and a measured life.

[Vadim237]

And by the way - we have the cheapest gasoline in Europe.

[serge siberian]

And by the way - we have the cheapest gasoline in Europe.

Vadim237
How to say, how to say? In BV it’s even cheaper. They say that they’ll cut off their head for the world price in the domestic market. And once upon a time, somewhere in the global crisis, oil was worth 100 "Baku", and in the USA special correspondent Russia stood at the gas station behind him the price tag for gasoline -0 FULL 76 hundredths of a dollar. In Russia, the dollar cost less than 30 rubles. How to understand this?

[Svetlana]

Quote: zhekazs

Yes, the minister doesn’t seem to be from Putin’s team, since he started this before the election.

And what kind of team is this mythical Putin? What is she doing against the government, which Putin is completely satisfied with?

[would]

this is a deliberate trick to incite a popular explosion as a result of dissatisfaction with such a government policy.

And for this, the ruling party has riot police, with a good pension that the "popular explosion" will drown in blood, and after that will receive the keys to the apartments and medals on the chest. And together with them will work pocket media that discredit any protest, and these pocket media on the first two buttons of all the remotes of the country.

So you can continue to rob the population of the country without fearing anything, the main thing is not to forget to pay "who needs it" on time.

So we will not have a revolution like the Ukrainian one, especially now when the opposition is nobody and there is no way to call it.

[PSih2097]

Recall that earlier the FIU stated that there are no pensioners in Russia whose monthly income would be below the subsistence minimum.

... our pension in the region is on average 15 rubles - 000 communal services = 5 rubles are already below the subsistence level and that's not counting the drugs ... You probably live in Muscovy ... To be honest, I become a supporter of the transfer of the capital beyond the Urals ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: PSih2097

... in our region, on average, a pension of 15 rubles - 000 communal services = 5 rubles is already below the subsistence level and this does not include drugs ...

well-off ... in our Urals, an average of 12 tonnes, and in winter for heat only 5-8 tonnes (of the area) and for housing, all with electricity. and so on ... for 10k passes, live, dance!

[Observer2014]

Andrey Yuryevich .

we have in the Urals, an average of 12 tons, and in winter for heat only 5-8 tons (from the area) and for housing, all with electric power. and so on ... for 10k passes, live, dance!

And who does not ride that Muscovite.

[hohkn]

Precisely wealthy. My wife has a pension of 8800 with 38 years of experience. We also live in the Urals. In December, an apartment for 6000 was brought for an apartment without 4 rubles, not counting the rest of the communal apartment.
Those who establish pensions and minimum wages should be forced to live on them for at least a year, to be deprived of personal service vehicles and free housing.

[Muvka]

So what are you not using the benefits? If more than 22% of family income is spent on a communal apartment, the state will compensate for the rest of the amount. You cannot not know about this.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Muvka

So what are you not using the benefits? If more than 22% of family income is spent on a communal apartment, the state will compensate for the rest of the amount. You cannot not know about this.

but you, apparently, don’t know that these “benefits” are about 2 thousand rubles. Great help!

[Smog]

Quote: Muvka

So what are you not using the benefits?

Most likely he uses it, but ...... you also need to cry in the morning.

[hohkn]

Quote: Muvka

So what are you not using the benefits? If more than 22% of family income is spent on a communal apartment, the state will compensate for the rest of the amount. You cannot not know about this.

I didn’t write that more than 22% of my family’s income goes to a communal apartment. I have a slightly larger pension. Only health after injuries and shell shocks is not a dofig. But here is a pension from a labor veteran (the wife is really a labor veteran - a certificate is available), which does not even reach 9000 rubles - this is a mockery. Despite the fact that there are individuals who have not really worked anywhere, but receive somewhere in the region of 12000.

[tchoni]

Yes, sir. With our state, thimbles play nizzyyayayaya)))
Citizens (especially young) - keep your pension in savings dollars. Instead of a loan of a hundred bucks from each salary per stocking) Look, by the age of 60 you collect that you would live 10 years without working))))

[PSih2097]

Quote: tchoni

Yes, sir. With our state, thimbles play nizzyyayayaya)))
Citizens (especially young) - keep your pension in savings dollars. Instead of a loan of a hundred bucks from each salary in a stocking) You look, years to 60 ty gather up that would live 10 years without working))))

my mother froze the funded part in the amount of 350 rubles (it wasn’t suitable for years - 000), but they promised to return it for 56% ... he is such a FIU --- but buildings and cars ... in short - - THE THIEVES!!!

[Svetlana]

Quote: PSih2097

at the mother, the funded part was frozen in the amount of 350 000 rubles (it was not suitable for years - 56 born),

Sorry, but your mother could not have a funded pension at all. For men of 1952 year of birth and older and women of 1956 year of birth and older, the rate in the FIU was 0%. Only the insurance part. And the rest I agree with you.

[Sands Careers General]

Keep money in unsecured candy wrappers? No thanks))

[vadsonen]

Keep money in unsecured candy wrappers? No thanks))

On "unsecured candy wrappers" you can buy anything anywhere. Yes, ask your Putin / Kudrin / Nabiulina - they will tell you everything about them.

[Sands Careers General]

I’m not a Russian, open your eyes and look at the flag.

The best currency of all time is weapons, ammo, food, alcohol and medicine. And gold. And not a dirty green piece of paper.

[Freeman]

Quote: Sands Career General

Keep money in unsecured candy wrappers? No thanks))

Any money without collateral is candy wrappers.
And at the moment, there are only two options for providing - is it economic or military power issuing state.

[Sands Careers General]

Exactly. I completely agree.

[tchoni]

Quote: Sands Career General

Keep money in unsecured candy wrappers? No thanks))

I will tell you this: for $ 5000, you could buy a car in the beginning, middle, end of the 90s, beginning, middle and end of the 2000s, in the beginning, middle, and, I think, in the late 2010s. 5000 rubles during this time were both the price of a car, and the pocket money of a schoolboy and a salary and lunch in a restaurant.

[Vadim237]

Keep money in precious metals in works of art - the latter will always go up in price, regardless of market changes.

[ImPerts]

such a decision was reached by the FIU, based on the fact that citizens applying to the fund did not have enough work experience and so-called “pension” points.

I completely agree here.

If the FIU began to deny the working Russians who have reached retirement age, in the calculation of the insurance pension, then, in fact, this is the first step to raising the retirement age.

Not enough points? Work on. There are those who work in a stall without labor, receive cash in the envelope, and then say that they fought on the Kolchak fronts.

[PSih2097]

Quote: ImPerts

Not enough points

I have an accumulative in the region of 500 rubles, nah ... I need these balls, and I, like the rest, are denied the payment of what we have earned - like you are many, but we are few ...

Quote: ImPerts

There are those who work in a stall without labor, receive cash in the envelope, and then says that they fought on the Kolchak fronts.

Of course, they are sorry, but basically it is still a working-age population ...

[zyzx]

I know a lot of people who are proud that they did not work for the state for a day and did not pay a penny of taxes. Should I feel sorry for them?

[452336]

You will not understand. And give the most modern weapons and in Syria you need to keep the status and give a decent pension. This does not happen. Or or; )

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: 452336

You will not understand. And give the most modern weapons and in Syria you need to keep the status and give a decent pension. This does not happen. Or or; )

so you don’t understand Putin, he says that Syria costs a penny ... your attack, especially against the background of the "salaries" of officials and deputies is ridiculous, + THEFT.

[astronom1973n]

It so happened that involuntarily the neighbors in the summer cottage are voluntary unemployed, in the common people, the “homeless”. They sit and moan: “Oh retirement, come as soon as possible!” However, they don’t want to work. They offer, turn on the water in the season. Answer, I don’t want to pay a little! In winter, snow, throw at the bus stop! I don’t want, my back hurts. How they live is incomprehensible. Then they moan like that they don’t receive a pension!

[Alexander 3]

And who pays a pension to thieves, bandits who never worked?

[astronom1973n]

That is, you are in defense of those who do not want to work as homeless people? Personally, I think that one, that the other, does not need to pay without seniority is all. And sarcasm against our state .. is not particularly appropriate. We are not doing well, sometimes bad, but it can be even worse. An example is necessary as where, or you guess.?

[Gardamir]

An example is needed as where, or guess yourself.?

Are you talking about Soviet power?

[astronom1973n]

And what about Soviet power? We will not argue not for everyone's liking, but for quietly graduating from high school, she provided the university without any problems, and most importantly a happy, calm Soviet childhood in our sunny Siberia! If you offended you, then do not need sarcasm.

[Siberian]

Quote: astronom1973n

And what about Soviet power? We will not argue not for everyone's liking, but for quietly graduating from high school, she provided the university without any problems, and most importantly a happy, calm Soviet childhood in our sunny Siberia !.

Moreover, she not only provided you, but also to all those who are now pouring slops over her.

[Gardamir]

If you offended you, then do not need sarcasm.

No, everything was fine under the Soviet regime. But or did it seem to me?

but maybe worse

what did you mean here? And there were no homeless people under the Soviets. And not everyone became homeless voluntarily.

[astronom1973n]

Ukraine is a good example. There were homeless bombs even under the Soviets, but they were always moaning and tired. When a groaning man is examined in detail, it often turns out that the reason is objective, that is, the applicant himself is “eccentric!” Yes, the pension cannot be higher than the salary fees are the truth. And look at other countries .. there are enough of their "jokes". As they say do not confuse tourism and emigration. Here 700 of our businessmen acquired citizenship in Malta on the occasion in exchange for a minimum investment of 800 thousand euros. Invest nowhere else! And you about pensions!

[Svetlana]

Quote: Gardamir

what did you mean here?

sibiryk means Ukraine, apparently. The logic is simple: you don’t want it to be just like in Ukraine, endure silently, compared to Ukraine or some Zimbabwe, everything is fine with us.

[Freeman]

Gardamir Today, 12: 11
And there were no homeless people under the Soviets.

But the "scourge" was enough.

I don’t have any feet under me -
And the earth sways ...
For the third month I’m scourging
Since it’s written off cleanly
From whaling ship.
Hy, and since I scourge,
Non-partisan, not Jewish, -
I'm on the stairs at night
Where is the heat from the batteries.
That's life! Live and bask -
Fuck you, bullet and loop!
I drink, it happens, at least flood:
Koresh come from the flight -
And walk "from the ruble"!
Rupee is not money, rupe is a piece of paper,
Saving is a grave sin.
Ah, my soul is a vest -
In forty stripes, seven holes
.......
/ About the river Vachu and fellow traveler Valya. V. Vysotsky /

[Dimy4]

And who pays a pension to thieves, bandits who never worked?

State. At our expense.

[rotmistr60]

The FIU is a black hole into which all deductions are sucked in and from which nothing comes of it other than the huge new buildings of the fund and the staff of employees, which are not even amenable to understanding their necessity. While officials and deputies will be sure that their FIU will not offend when calculating a pension (especially taking into account wage laws for themselves), nothing will move off the ground. Put these "hippos" on average retirement in Russia, then we’ll look at their reaction.
For astronom1973n - if, as you write, those who really did not want to work and were waiting for a handout from the state “moaned”, this topic could not be raised. And the reality is much worse.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: rotmistr60

For astronom1973n - if, as you write, those who really did not want to work and were waiting for a handout from the state “moaned”, this topic could not be raised. And the reality is much worse.

In reality, you and I don’t know who and why didn’t receive a pension. And you don’t admit that everything was played out somehow. The media can mislead us very easily. And raising the retirement age will not affect the situation. It’s just for individuals and organizations you need to live more modestly.)))

[zyzx]

Quote: tchoni

Quote: Uncle Lee

Quote: brelok

who injected a pension for any receive.

Or maybe not! Everything can be with us, they don’t do recalculation, and generally they want to not pay a pension to workers!

The truth is))) The country is like that! Everything that has been put in place for a long time has been laid. This is not only a pension. Many aspects. Let’s say the processing - it is supposed to give up a choice: double payment or a day off .... in fact, if you are very lucky - they will give a day off ... and in the vast majority of cases they will forgive))) Attempts to go "for the truth" in 99% of cases end dismissal of truth

This is called CAPITALISM!

[Nix1986]

From the moment I start working, I hope only for accumulation. Unfortunately, the state is not able to provide a decent old age, and NPFs yield less than the inflation rate, and invest a loss in them too.

[bald]

The sinking of the people continues - bravo gentlemen !!!

[Nemesis]

First, Putin turns a blind eye to violation of the labor code in the Russian Federation, supposedly developing this business, and then spits on citizens of the Russian Federation who are forced to work through his work without registration on a work book and with a black salary ... And do not write that you are all like that advanced and all of you have a full white salary and registration ... Most citizens of the Russian Federation do not have this and Putin is well aware of this, and the reason is that jobs in the Russian Federation with a full white salary and registration for a labor cat have cried ... Salaries are like they didn’t pay on time, they don’t pay it, and going to court leads to the dismissal of those who apply to this court on any pretext ... and even to the frank killings of union leaders ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

without registration on the work book and with a black salary

This, as I understand it, you work this way, goddess?

Quote: Nemesis

Most citizens of the Russian Federation do not have this

Whence firewood data, I do not believe the words, give a reference ...

Quote: Nemesis

And do not write that all of you are so advanced and all of you have a full white salary and registration

Um ... for myself I can say:
- work on fixed-term contracts, term - one year, extended without question
- s / n white, the office regularly pays all taxes (I checked)
- in labor - yes, no entry. Well, what for did she give up if there is an agreement with the office (such a paper, with validity periods), and 2 personal income tax?

Quote: Nemesis

to outright killings of union leaders

Obviously, there are still "hidden murders."
You, that ... Maleh ... have been reported

[Nemesis]

I’m not interested in you, and with your daily fitting on yourself, the roles of the Devil’s lawyer and the last resort in the World are simply tired ... You are a limited person who does not want to see beyond his nose, or rather sees everything, but does not want to notice ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

You are not interesting for me

Quote: Nemesis

You are a limited person

It could be said shorter:

Quote: Panikovsky

You are a miserable, insignificant person!

Would you finish whining ... goddess

[Nemesis]

And I don’t like the party you love, whose jambs you are eager to justify all the time ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

And I do not like your favorite party

I have a lot that does not suit me. while I, unlike you, do not whine, but work.

Quote: Nemesis

shoals of which you are eager to justify all the time

I don’t know that I’m "torn" there ...
But I know that you cannot answer any of the simple questions asked to you ... you are not able to.
Therefore, you are trying to chat with them, “running into” your opponent.
PS: I have no favorite parties. I for myself ... goddess

[Nemesis]

Oh oh ?! We have those who shout the loudest that they allegedly work, work the least, and even don’t work at all .. I also know that the monument to Boriske Yeltsin and the alcohol center speaks very well about which (hard workers) are in power in the Russian Federation and what should the people expect from them ... And the fact that the worthless tsar who brought Russia to 4 revolutions and merged two wars was recorded as a saint, it’s just blasphemy

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Nemesis

In our country, those who shout the loudest are those who allegedly work, work the least, or even do not work at all

Are you talking to yourself, as I understand it?
Self-critical, alien

Quote: Nemesis

it's just blasphemy

Right It just suits you.
So far, I'm in the capital - the pipe ... that calls.
See you on the air in a couple of hours, goddess

[Smog]

Quote: Nemesis

And the fact that the worthless tsar, who brought Russia to 4 revolutions and merged two wars, was recorded as a saint, it’s just blasphemy

Well, it’s kind of like a question not to the state, but to the Russian Orthodox Church.

[Nemesis]

The Russian Orthodox Church today has merged in ecstasy with the company of Boriski Yeltsin and is part of it ... Priests who disagree with such a line in the Russian Orthodox Church simply rot.

[astronom1973n]

And I don’t like the party you love, whose jambs you are eager to justify all the time ...

And which one suits you? And who is your leader? Surname if possible. Thank you.

[Gardamir]

office

are you still from the office?

[propaganda NO]

Everyone should go to the polls in March, if there is no person in the ballot who you want to vote for, then destroy the ballot so that after 8 pm in the remaining ballots there is no check in front of Putin.

[Vadim237]

This will not greatly affect the election results - Putin will win.

[elenagromova]

I do not understand where some of the participants in the discussion come from - negative towards those who work without clearance. As if the people in the current system are to blame.

[Muvka]

Exactly. Nobody forces people to go to work for private traders if they do not register.

[Gardamir]

Nobody forces people to go to work for private traders

Yes, you, a female dog, sat at home without money when you need to bring children to school, and the choice is either to go to a private trader or die? You already ate yourself in the Kremlin quite fish soup! You live in a fantasy world.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Muvka

Exactly. Nobody forces people to go to work for private traders if they do not register.

Well yes. After all, anyone can always get a janitor with a salary at the cost of living and, after working for 30-40 years as a janitor in white, receive the same minimum pension. In addition to janitors, there are also dishwashers and other similar vacancies for maintenance staff.

[Victor N]

Who bequeathed: study, study and study! Didn’t listen to grandfather? Well, how not to have a normal profession all your life? Learning is never too late.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Victor N

Who bequeathed: study, study and study! Didn’t listen to grandfather? Well, how not to have a normal profession all your life? Learning is never too late.

Once such a booze started, I’ll cite my mother as an example: the first education was the Leningrad State Medical University (now the Russian State Humanitarian University), a weather forecaster, s / n - 12 thousand rubles (but, don’t, it seems, they raised it now to 14 or 15), but now. In the early 00s, when I quit, it’s about 6 or 7, and then with big delays or food. I don’t remember exactly, then I was a parcel. The second education is a 1C programmer (well, how - education, courses). So they don’t take it to normal places, but where they take it, it’s salary 5-7 full time. I learned to become a self-taught specialist in foreign trade activities - the same thing! Do not take! Tidbits, sorted everywhere by "their own." And she was not the worst specialist, after her dismissal from Santek, a rather long current person was sought for this position. So yes, live a century, learn a century - you will die a fool ...

[Dimy4]

The thing is to ensure that a person dies before reaching retirement age. PF officials earn their own prize.

[Gardamir]

a person died before reaching retirement age

"If you are a patriot, give a gift to Russia, die before retirement"

[Victor N]

This is your choice - no one else calls for it.

[Drozdov]

first they’ll come up with some points, then, referring to them, they’re nightmare and capitalize on what they’re entrusted with distributing. well, and myself a small% -ik for storage ... democracy

[Strashila]

With a greater degree of probability, it can be assumed that “new Russians” fall into this category ... migrants from the near abroad who came to obtain Russian citizenship and, as a result of their retirement ... have not worked for a day and have not paid a penny of taxes ... they will retain their former citizenship ... they will live there ... and receive money here ... and with the payment of various benefits for working age ... the main thing for them is to get a Russian passport ... then just squeeze the money ... they are low income.

[Million]

Thanks to the government and Putin! They have pensioners as they want! How many pension reforms have been carried out, no longer count, but the goal is to pay less!

[nik-karata]

Million Today, 09:45 AM

but the goal is one ...

Indeed, the goal is the same - so that a minimum number of ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation survived to retirement. Ideal - not a single !!!!!!

[Gardamir]

Sometimes it seems that people were born yesterday. Here you are discussing one situation today, and yesterday they scolded the "chairman" of the collective farm, just like that in advance for no reason, and thereby praised the current ruler. That eats he does not know about these decrees? He is the best. just one minister is bad. Already not funny. The level of discussion has slipped into some kind of kindergarten.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Gardamir

That eats he does not know about these decrees?

Gardamir, what, sorry, decrees?
The sole thing that the minister said was that those who did not get enough experience (and points) would receive a social rather than an insurance pension.
What, under the Union, was it somehow different?

Quote: Gardamir

The level of discussion has slipped into some kind of kindergarten

In the mirror, in the mirror

[Blaster]

The reason is one-the PFR money was used for other purposes

[Alex_59]

The problem of pensions consists of two parts - objective and subjective. The objective problem is that thanks to progress, people began to live longer, and their maintenance for employees is becoming increasingly burdensome. For clarity, two workers used to be “dumped” on one pensioner, and now only one worker unfastens two pensioners. The subjective problem is that our government has screwed up and, within the framework of the existing economic model, can “earn” income only by inventing how to rip off citizens - hence all these points and more. They really want to live well, but there is no money. And they don’t know how to find them - after all, the development of industry and high technologies according to the current model does not concern the state. But he cares about his well-fed abdomen - and there is so much money in the FIU - the whole country has thrown himself into it. How would they tidy themselves up, but return points not to people, but some points? Cool!
Therefore, for the benefit of all, one must discard this stupid hypocrisy and abolish pensions! Let the parents contain the children. Let everyone think from a young age about who will keep him in old age. An excellent incentive to give birth to three or four children, and to bring them out to people so that they do not have to worry hard to support you when the forces themselves are no longer there. It seems that in Russia there is a birth rate problem, right? Here is the incentive! And at the same time, we dismiss all PFR officials with their administrative apparatus, eliminate theft from the PFR, and let the state begin to do something more profound in the economy than the primitive communal fund-raising from others. Leave only a micro-tax to help those who have no children, or simply something went wrong - here you need to develop an understandable procedure.
Of course this cannot be done abruptly - but from a certain age it is possible. And in years through 40-50 Russians there will be not 140, but 540 millions.

[nik-karata]

Alex_59 Today, 09:54

thanks to progress, people began to live longer

... sorry, what country are you talking about? In Russia, the natural population decline is not ONLY at the expense of youth. Mostly people dying do not live up to retirement. Need a reference ??? Please take a look at the nearest cemetery.

on one pensioner two workers "were dumped" earlier

For what reason should workers "fold" on pensioners ??? In fact, a person has ALL his life paid tax to a pension fund, THAT must skillfully invest this money, earn income and INCREASE the investment !!! And do not squander denyuzhki yourself to your salaries, business trips, bonuses ......
In the rest, in principle, I agree with you.

[Alex_59]

Quote: nik-karata

Need a reference ???

http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/ur
ov / urov_p2.htm
The number of pensioners from 1991 year increased by 30%, while the population decreased by 3%

Quote: nik-karata

For what reason should workers "fold" on pensioners ???

Formally, we postpone our pension to ourselves, but in fact now the money that we give to the PFR goes to pay to those who are already retired. After deductions to the PFR, our contributions are just a figure on the account that you can look at, but you can neither touch, nor cash. And live banknotes are issued to current retirees, well, the FIU can invest part of them in various profitable projects, which he does, however clumsily.

[nik-karata]

http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/ur
ov / urov_p2.htm

you are not a baby! There is a lie, there is a big lie, and there are statistics! I don’t look at the numbers .. but I regularly have to go to the churchyard. I see everything with my own eyes.

Formally, we postpone our pension to ourselves

You are absolutely right! Also, they (FIU) must invest it in real projects, making a profit to compensate for inflation, AND (!!!) earn their salary !!!

but in fact now ...

No comment! We for our taxes contain an army of useless bureaucrats !!! At least from the FIU!

[Dimy4]

Please take a look at the nearest cemetery.

I was there when my sister’s mother was buried. For new graves, the average age is 40-55 years. Moreover, not some drunks die, but normal men who do not drink and even non-smokers. Recently, an acquaintance left, did not drink, did not smoke, such a calm man was, he worked. He came home from work and at night the engine refused at once, 50 years old.

[nik-karata]

That is, I do not lie ??? !!!

[Freeman]

Alex_59 Today, 09:54
we dismiss all PFR officials with their administrative staff

The Pension Fund of Russia (PFR) ranks first in terms of the number of employees in the world. The FIU employs 121 people.

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Alex_59

Therefore, for the benefit of all, one must discard this stupid hypocrisy and abolish pensions!

Quote: Alex_59

Of course this cannot be done abruptly - but from a certain age it is possible.

Better to shoot. Or like in Sparta, from the cliff. "From a certain age"

[Alexey-74]

Mockery of people. When will this outrage in Russia end? Instead of enjoying retirement to people who have been sexually active and relaxed .... people are on the brink of survival

[nik-karata]

When will this outrage in Russia end?

...never

FIU thieves!

... they (in the FIU) also know about it

[Alexey-74]

FIU thieves!

[Alex_59]

Quote: Alexey-74

FIU thieves!

My father-in-law sued the FIU for the size of the pension. He worked half his life on Zvezdochka, including working in the contaminated compartments of nuclear submarines. When assigning a pension in another region, he was denied premiums for harm and for the north. They refused on formal grounds, citing traditional bureaucratic garbage as arguments - form No. is not filled out, such statements are missing, there is no stamp there, the name of the plant is incorrectly indicated ...
For some time the father-in-law was not up to all this garbage, and the PFR quite calmly paid him some pennies in the 13-14 thousand area. Then he took up the question. Initially in pre-trial order. I had to send inquiries myself to Severodvinsk, and then also go there personally. The FIU could not do all this for an elderly and honored person - they don’t know what the Internet, e-mail are, I’m not talking about vibe or something like that. As a result, the court won the father-in-law and they threw to retirement thousands of 8-9, although it was supposed to be around 12. Once again, the excuse is that the calculation is like this - for some years we don’t read somewhere, we play here, we don’t play here, and here we wrapped the fish. The father-in-law already did not have enough energy for the recount and the next trial. Even the first call took 2-3 of the year with all the walks, trips, pieces of paper, ships.
Sea questions! If the court is won, does it go to the FIU from the very beginning deliberately communicating with him? Immediately plant it! And why do we always have to get out of our way to defer our rights, what a wild west?

[VALERIK_097]

Alex, you contradict your comment above. You remembered people who work in very harmful industries.
Your dirty father-in-law did not see such dirty orders that I see now.
PTB "Lepse", a / l "Siberia", one of the calls of the Moscow Region.
Who will provide education for children, if you are 45 almost decrepit old man.

[Alex_59]

Quote: VALERIK_097

Alex, you contradict your comment above.

Not at all. The father-in-law has four children. Of course, now his health is not very in his 71. But I wrote above that for such situations when there are no children, or a person is working here in such a complex production, separate procedures must be created. The idea behind such work should be a corporate personal pension from production. The plant buys human health - it should cost a lot of money. And where possible - it’s time to work remotely without exposing people to radiation.

Quote: VALERIK_097

Your dirty father-in-law did not see such dirty orders that I see now.

I don’t know, I would not like to be measured by such things. Who is harder. Father-in-law worked on the Lenin and 627 projects. It was very dirty. But they had a special mode of operation. I don’t remember the exact numbers, I can lie, but it’s about 4 hours a working day, and constant measurements - if I’ve got the norm, I’ll immediately be forced to a sanatorium, clean my body and rest. I don’t know, I wouldn’t go there to work for any money.

[VALERIK_097]

That is why the childless and youngest in the brigade, I try not to throw in the heat.
Although 6 valence chrome and hydrazine are also used on repaired orders. (Gas masks are useless). ((((

[Golovan Jack]

Cool.
I read the whole interview with Topilin, here is the phrase because of which the whole fuss:

For several years, Rostrud has been working to legalize the labor market. Are you planning to take any new steps in this direction?

Maxim Topilin: Now new steps are not discussed. But I want citizens to understand that their future pension depends on their length of service.

Already in 2017 there were cases when the Pension Fund was forced to deny people the right to receive an old-age insurance pension due to the fact that they did not have insurance coverage and pension points. Such people are assigned a social pension. And if its size is below the subsistence minimum, then they will be paid an additional payment and the pension will be “extended”.

But I want to note that now the average old-age insurance pension in the country is more than one and a half times (1,65 times) higher than the living wage of a pensioner. And in the future it will increase.

 Reference

https://rg.ru/2018/01/09/maksim-topilin-v-prodovo
lstvennoj-korzine-slishkom-mnogo-hleba.html

That is, those who work "on a job" should take care of themselves. This is not for others ...
Read, damn it, the source ... cam-mentators

[Dimy4]

Write everything. Interestingly, the FIU works, if the former place of work does not exist - does it mean that it did not work?

Class, this is half the country so you can not pay a pension. PF did not buy islands for itself by accident on such and such savings.

[23424636]

these ki from Dima’s camp read the same instructions of the State Department as for Ukraine as for themselves. That mudara Azarov was seduced by the IMF's gifts and transferred women from 60 to retirement and his secret friend Valtsman in the person of Chaldean Groisman introduced the term insurance experience which for retirees should be 25 years from 1 and began to accrue this insurance from 01.2018 those. it’s really not enough for 1 years and these offer to buy the missing years for money of about 01 thousand UAH per year with an average salary of 2004 thousand, this is six months of work to eat nothing. Maybe for the Russians this money is not critical, but for Ukraine it is a lot.

[propaganda NO]

Well, Gaspads, supporters of capitalism and democracy, are ready for wild capitalism: there are zero social guarantees, prices for goods and services are frantic. The nineties will seem like a paradise.
We will pay for everything, and like a counter for air, they will come up in skolkovo and for inhaled air.

[Zomanus]

This is not a retirement age increase.
This is a call for those who are either against the system,
or against those who work for themselves, on a draft.
Smart people throw labor into a budget organization,
that they would drip experience and work for themselves.

[Geisenberg]

Everything is moving towards the fact that they simply will not pay pensions to anyone and that’s all ... they will say insufficient points and is free, like go die.

[Vadim237]

Pensions will pay social - 10 thousand rubles. Although I personally do not care about retirement, I will work and make a profit, until my death - and live like a baptism in the bosom, all this time.

[Mentat]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Drowning further for the representative of capitalism in Russia in the elections?

Do you expect that in Russia socialism will suddenly come as a result of your vote for the “Communists"?
Zyuganov will win the election and in such a solid way, with his important voice, will announce the transfer of cars, factories and steamboats into common ownership? “Businessmen” will be called speculators and imprisoned according to the Soviet article, and grace will come, socialism and ice cream 15 kopecks each (and there is not far from communism, only shhhh! This is a secret).
How do you imagine it, dear man?
In order for such tectonic shifts to occur in society, Zyuganov’s bald head is not enough. It is necessary to educate a generation of people who will understand and realize something. And the old one, which sits in warm warm places, reforged in an instant from the Communists, will leave nafig from the scene of life.

[Vadim237]

There is another option, to reduce 60% of all officials, replace them with one window, deprive the regional and municipal authorities of the right to dispose of real estate and land throughout Russia, and also create a database of complaints from citizens against local authorities and the police - from all over Russia, what they’re doing they don’t do it, etc., re-create the Federal Forestry Agency and return to work 70000 foresters, reduce the taxation of the poor to 4%, completely exempt pensioners, keep the Central Bank key rate by 3,5%, halve production taxes, transport fuel VAT, introduce a strict audit of all funds transferred to banks throughout the country, as well as on budget expenditures.