The USA declassified the plan of a nuclear strike against the USSR

The US military command during the Cold War time calculated the required number of nuclear warheads for the complete destruction of the USSR. It is reported by the Daily Star, citing declassified documents.

According to the newspaper, this plan was worked out quite carefully. The declassified document in which it is referred is dated September 15, 1945 and is addressed to Major General Leslie Groves.

According to this information, the United States has scrupulously calculated that 466 nuclear bombs will be needed to destroy an ally. The American generals chose 66 cities as their main targets. The atomic bombing was supposed to break the will of the USSR and its ability to resist.

An interesting nuance: American generals came to the conclusion that, in fact, 204 bombs would be enough to destroy the main cities of the Soviet Union, and 20 more bombs were needed to eliminate military bases. However, to be on the safe side, the planners of the atomic bombing took into account the 48 percent "efficiency factor" and ended up with 466 bombs.

The Daily Star notes that the plan for the atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949.

Meanwhile, according to one of the versions, such plans were actually required only for disinformation, since at that time the United States simply did not have the necessary amount of nuclear weapons... In 1946, the US military had only nine atomic bombs and 27 B-29 aircraft that could be used to deliver them.

Comments

[katalonec2014]

American plans, and Russia is aggressive.

[VAGNER]

This is no longer a secret! If it were not for Stalin and Beria (he played a huge role in this), the USSR would not have existed .. In the USA, and now such a plan exists and is constantly being updated.
So, we will only dream of peace ..
The Army and Navy are our only allies in this world!

[alex-s]

Allies ...

[Pirogov]

Quote: alex-s

Allies, ..

Beloved, dear partners!

[Going]

Quote: katalonec2014

American plans, and Russia is aggressive.

So it was, is and will be in the near future, until it arrives, and it has already arrived, another disaster and Russia will have to be cleaned and protected.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Kazakhs like trouble came to their money. The Yankesovsky arctic fox came to visit Nazarbayev.
"22 billion dollars of the national fund of the country were frozen in the Bank of New York in the Kazmunaygas case. Plus, US treasury bills worth about 11 billion dollars and accounts worth 589 million dollars were arrested in Belgium. But this is not all: stocks were frozen in the amount of 5,2 billion dollars owned by the sovereign fund of Kazakhstan Samruk-Kazyna in the Dutch company KMG Kashagan.The total amount is approximately 38,8 billion, or 75 percent of the national fund of Kazakhstan. The country's national debt is about X NUMX billion dollars. "

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Nazik just needs to be stolen less, he’s used to squeezing out business from his citizens, but he hasn’t taken a ride with a foreigner

[VAGNER]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

Kazakhs like trouble came to their money. The Yankesovsky arctic fox came to visit Nazarbayev.
"In the Bank of New York in the case of Kazmunaygaz, 22 billion dollars of the national fund of the country were frozen.

Well, nothing surprising, "baby Tony Blair" did a great job as Nazarbayev’s chief adviser ... You can’t trust the Anglo-Saxons, I wrote this for a long time

This, I think, is just the beginning ... They are still bleeding Kazakhstan with Russia.!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: VAGNER

Well, no wonder "baby Tony Blair"

there, even without this leader, they knew how to steal and wring out, so much so that the Angles never dreamed of

[Serg koma]

Quote: VAGNER

This is no longer a secret!

In the USSR, every schoolchild, especially a large industrial city, IT KNEW, knew where the bomb shelter and what to do in a nuclear explosion.
So the United States did not open the "America" ​​to us with its declassified materials - it has long been used to live in their sight and not pay attention to it.

[210ox]

And not only a schoolboy. At each enterprise there were shelters, GO departments .. How much this would help is of course a question. There is One Hope in our Army and sensible leadership.

Quote: Serg Koma

Quote: VAGNER

This is no longer a secret!

In the USSR, every schoolchild, especially a large industrial city, IT KNEW, knew where the bomb shelter and what to do in a nuclear explosion.
So the United States did not open the "America" ​​to us with its declassified materials - it has long been used to live in their sight and not pay attention to it.

[VAGNER]

Quote: Serg Koma

In the USSR, every schoolchild, especially a large industrial city, IT KNEW, knew where the bomb shelter and what to do in a nuclear explosion.

That is exactly what happened ... They didn’t flirt with the USA and England, and skirmishes were often in 1945! (if I’m not mistaken, our famous ace Pokryshkin had several fighters and bombers of American shot down .. our columns bombed and fired ..) This was not advertised.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: VAGNER

at our famous ace Pokryshkin

Kozhedub had air battles

[VAGNER]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: VAGNER

at our famous ace Pokryshkin

Kozhedub had air battles

This is only with famous pilots ... Such info is hidden, I read memoirs and memoirs both on this and on this side .. We were not allies, I can definitely say that!

[The_lancet]

Planning the atomic bombing of the cities of the USSR is not a secret. It is also no secret that the USSR army could have reached England without big problems.
This is a deterrent thanks to which the two superpowers did not break each other then

[poquello]

Quote: The_Lancet

Planning the atomic bombing of the cities of the USSR is not a secret. It is also no secret that the USSR army could have reached England without big problems.
This is a deterrent thanks to which the two superpowers did not break each other then

You are completely wrong, the restraint was insufficient number of nuclear bombs, I don’t know what the United States was declassified - all these plans have been painted in detail in the USSR in the form of fiction with all the piquancy for a long time and were sold on every corner.

[VALERIK_097]

Franklin Roosevelt's lancet, had one goal — to restore the country's economy, he did not want to get involved in wars, he raised the country, but the “oligarchs” of that time still dragged the country into big politics and the war. (Resentment for In 1937, he shook them like pears.)
But then another president came, and away we go.

[Evgenijus]

WAGNER:

In the USA and now such a plan is available and constantly updated.

We also have no luck - planchik and we have it, not worse than the American one. It was not in 1945, and now we are equal.

[VAGNER]

Quote: Evgenijus

WAGNER:

In the USA and now such a plan is available and constantly updated.

We also have no luck - planchik and we have it, not worse than the American one. It was not in 1945, and now we are equal.

Well, I don’t know, but in the days of the USSR, the "Perimeter" was, or rather, a "dead hand" .. All that remained was automatically launched in case of destruction of the main command posts and cities .. Who survived, in partisans in the taiga, etc. Well, as usual for our story later ..

These are the things in the tank troops .. We will not die alive ..!

[Captain Nemo]

That is, Stalin and Beria personally, tired of the war and repression, created a Soviet nuclear weapon over a cup of tea?

[VAGNER]

Quote: Captain Nemo

That is, Stalin and Beria personally, tired of the war and repression, created a Soviet nuclear weapon over a cup of tea?

No, of course, the time was cruel .. I understood what you were hinting at ...
At that time there was no time for liberal reasoning, the existence of the state was “at stake"!
And after all, they created and restored the country in a short period of time! Just do not need to remind your Solzhenitsyn, read and then he tried to whine in Russia when he arrived in Russia. etc.

[tol100v]

Quote: katalonec2014

American plans, and Russia is aggressive.

And debts to whom to write off?

[NEXUS]

And who is the axis of evil?

[tol100v]

Quote: NEXUS

And who is the axis of evil?

I respect brevity!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: NEXUS

And who is the axis of evil?

weird question
Russians of course

[VAGNER]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: NEXUS

And who is the axis of evil?

weird question
Russians of course

I would also add briefly, the Russian population (as they call us on the "Echo of Moscow" ???))))

[jolly deckhand]

Daily Star notes that the atomic bombing plan for the USSR was made four years before the Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949.
Have time, damn it ... Thanks to the involved peasants !!!

[tol100v]

Quote: jolly deckhand

Have time, damn it ... Thanks to the involved peasants !!!

Igor Vasilievich Kurchatov, Zeldovich, Sakharov and many other Our Geniuses!

[sergo1914]

Quote: Tol100v

Quote: jolly deckhand

Have time, damn it ... Thanks to the involved peasants !!!

Igor Vasilievich Kurchatov, Zeldovich, Sakharov and many other Our Geniuses!

Well, probably still Beria, Sudoplatov, Kurchatov, Kikoin, Pervukhin.

[Captain Nemo]

What? Personally, they secreted secrets, and then created all the necessary science and engineering?

[Captain Nemo]

To so many others. I’m speaking as the grandson of a person who had three State Prizes (formerly Stalinist) for work on the Project

[Dormidont]

Fifty years late secretary

[Olfred]

Operation "The Unthinkable" from the same opera

[Simon]

The Daily Star notes that the plan for atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949. The Daily Star notes that the plan for atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949. In any case, our atomic bomb thwarted all the plans of the Americans!

[Going]

But they continue to correct them every 5 to 10 years and do not refuse the possibility of a single - instant destruction of Russia.

[Essex62]

This halted Uncle Joe’s triumphal march and the transformation of the entire geyropa into a huge Socialist Union. World history would follow a different scenario and it is unlikely that the Saki nonhumans even had a short world domination. Unfortunately, the enemies managed to classify the number of products, and the prudent leader ordered to destroy the United Europe project under the banner of the most advanced and fair social system.
Stalin and Beria saved the whole world!

Quote: Simon

The Daily Star notes that the plan for atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949. The Daily Star notes that the plan for atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949. In any case, our atomic bomb thwarted all the plans of the Americans!

[poquello]

Quote: Simon

The Daily Star notes that the plan for atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949. The Daily Star notes that the plan for atomic bombing of the USSR was drawn up four years before Soviet scientists successfully tested their own nuclear bomb in 1949. In any case, our atomic bomb thwarted all the plans of the Americans!

didn’t rip off, for some time they still tried to increase the number, they did not win the social competition

[Mountain shooter]

Perfect, "bright elves" living in a "shining city on a hill"! God, it’s good that Russia has something to answer to such plans. To "head did not swing."

[Altona]

Quote: VAGNER

The Army and Navy are our only allies in this world!

--------------------------------
Allies, but we have them "outside of politics." And it is not a fact that our elite will fight back the aggressors, and will not land on planes and fly away with suitcases of money to their other homeland. And now the United States is a "respected partner" for us, and we are "enemies" for them.

[VAGNER]

So far, you have to survive, but it will be seen there ..

[The Siberian barber]

So, dear, it’s in the style of your favorite striped: “There is evidence, but we will not show it”))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

there are scans in nete, but you can see comrade mammy in scrap to search, it’s easier to smear all with green substance

[Sivasa]

Are you really surprised that the nuclear power has plans to use nuclear weapons?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you change your shoes so fast that I can't keep up with you

[poquello]

Quote: Siberian barber

So, dear, it’s in the style of your favorite striped: “There is evidence, but we will not show it”))

the original document is cool, ok there microfilm yet

[Svarog51]

Why not? Half a century has passed, which is already there. And how much more has happened during this time? One Caribbean crisis is worth it.

[flicker]

Humanism and feather from stripes.

[_Jack_]

The declassified document in question is dated September 15, 1945

very relevant information for the History section

[pafegosoff]

Yes and further - thanks to Mikoyan and the government of the British Labor Party ...
“At the end of 1946, Klimov, along with Mikoyan, was sent to England as Chairman of the State Commission for the purchase of Derwent and Nene turbojet engines at Rolls-Royce, which were the most advanced of those available at the time of world aviation technology ... "English engines with astonishing speed: by the end of 1947 they were built, tested and put into mass production ..."
So, it was precisely the massive loss of US bombers from the MiG-15 that soared US hotheads from planning an immediate atomic strike against the USSR.
And then - the growth of the atomic potential of the USSR, the creation of the Tu-16 and beyond, further ... it began to tie wings to the hawks of North American states ...

[Makarov]

barmalei ... what to take from them?

[Sands Careers General]

Yes, this is no secret. If they had not urgently created a vigorous loaf, they could have received a war of extermination.
It is not for nothing that there are bomb shelters everywhere, and even since school they constantly trained to evacuate, wear a gas mask, etc.
At the very moment GP-5 in a pouch in a conspicuous place, you never know)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

At the very moment GP-5 in a pouch in a conspicuous place, you never know)

Do you really think that will help ??

[Sands Careers General]

Will help. And the Gaza team will not need to.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Will help.

what if

how?!

[Sands Careers General]

Then you need to wear white slippers

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

Then you need to wear white slippers

there is?

[Sands Careers General]

I can sell it, if interested

[Svarog51]

George, slippers - a subject of strategic importance. Especially whites are of interest to the adversary. Why are whites? But this is a military secret. You can not trade.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: General of the Sand Quarries

I can sell

how much ?!

[Doliva63]

"No wonder there are bomb shelters everywhere ..."
Everywhere? I now know in District 2: one under the kindergarten, it was closed a long time ago, the second - near the hospital, since the 90s it has been empty and without doors. And in childhood - yes, everything worked. 2 times a year went with his mother "on alert"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Doliva63

2 times a year went with his mother "on alert"

It’s even funny to yourself, in which city did you go on alarm?

[Doliva63]

Us.Krampnitz, if that tells you something. As the beginning of the academic period in the army, so the alarm in the town. Still funny? Something like “Atomic danger!” Was transmitted everywhere over the speakers (I don’t remember literally, but somehow). Documents, money with you. A set of linen and hygiene. Each one has his own locker there, a gas mask, a first-aid kit, something else. It was terribly interesting! At the same time, the houses were guarded by patrols, which later demanded documents. It was a long time ago. In the days of the USSR yet.

[Svarog51]

I would have come up with something else. Well, for example, the presence of disinfecting fluid and anti-radiation medicine.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

So do you live in Germany?

[Svarog51]

Nah, He lived and served there. And now at home.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Svarog51

Nah, He lived and served there. And now at home.

so de conversation was

Quote: Svarog51

And in childhood - yes, everything worked. 2 times a year went with his mother "on alert"

there’s only one option people lie, but forgets what

[Doliva63]

What do you have with your head? In childhood - yes, everything worked. Now there are two shelters nearby, both not working. Do you have problems analyzing information?
But I am not a supporter of clarifying relations on an empty occasion. Let’s say this: during the Cold War, socialism cared much more about the safety of citizens in the event of a nuclear war than this damned capitalism.
I didn’t even start to dismantle what I was lying about, but I forgot about what.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Doliva63

What do you have with your head? In childhood - yes, everything worked. Now there are two shelters nearby, both not working. Do you have problems analyzing information?

once again you said that 2 times a year with your mother ran to the shelter on a training signal, I asked in which city you called the German town
who has a headache problem ?!

[Svarog51]

Vladimir Vysotsky also lived in Germany for some time as a child, when his father served there. What confuses you so much?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

who doesn’t bother me, where did he live, I’m confused by the nonsense of the political officer, by the way either the comrade lived in the GDR or in the village where they saw chocolate a couple of times a year and hunger the rest of the time
described everything below, he would decide on his fantasies

[Svarog51]

Do you personally know him? Co-workers? Or conclusions on comments?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Svarog51

Do you personally know him? Co-workers? Or conclusions on comments?

if people lie like breathing, then what conclusions can be ?!

[Svarog51]

The allegations do not honor. What is your evidence?

[Doliva63]

You definitely
I chew on my thought expressed earlier:
As a child, when I lived in the SSVG, all the shelters we had worked. Now, when I live in the Russian capitalist federal republic, none of the 2 shelters that are nearby work. So do you understand?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you do not chew but get out
in the Union, exercises were like but no one ran around bomb shelters, this is from the same series as a collective farmer fainted from schoolgirls clothes and saw chocolate on great holidays

[Svarog51]

Why is he lying? He lived with his parents, then returned, joined the service. Then again he served in the GSVG. I do not see the contradictions. For 55 years, fate could still not throw it there.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Svarog51

Why is he lying? He lived with his parents, then returned, joined the service.

well this is hardly
in addition, to declare that the exercises in the military town in the GDR, the exercises in the entire territory of the USSR, are one and the same lie

[Svarog51]

Yes, why at the same time? Why do you think so? In any garrison they could and did carry out such exercises.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Svarog51

In any garrison they could and did carry out such exercises.

I absolutely agree, only the question arose from the fact that the "political officer" turned it around so that similar exercises took place in Soviet ordinary cities
and given the previous tales of this comrade, then ....

[Svarog51]

Did you read his koment? Where is it said about the ordinary cities of the Union? He told you that the case was in the GSVG garrison in the GDR. What's wrong? Well, if you are going to refute, so at least get acquainted with the opponent’s comments, and do not weave a gag. If a person had to fulfill the duties of a political officer - this does not mean that this is a personnel political officer. Do not like "fairy tales" - pass by, but why these charges? Spread your own experience - where and when it was or was not. We discuss.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Svarog51

He told you that the case was in the GSVG garrison in the GDR.

Yes?!!!

Quote: Doliva63

Everywhere? I now know in District 2: one under the kindergarten, it was closed a long time ago, the second - near the hospital, since the 90s it has been empty and without doors. And in childhood - yes, everything worked. 2 times a year went with his mother "on alert"

Well, where is it about the garrison in the GDR? !!!
people specifically writes about the place where he lives and it turns out that he either lives in Germany or lies
where did the conversation originally go about civil defense in the USSR

[Svarog51]

You do not go into details and do not understand the information posted, pass your own fantasies for the words of the opponent. As you yourself said to yourself

what am I not keeping up with you

So do not rush to press the keys, but read and comprehend. Not "people", but a colleague. He lived in the Krampnitz garrison in the German Democratic Republic and went with his mother during exercises in a bomb shelter. Everything else is your notion and a gag that is not related to the topic. If he, in a hurry in a bomb shelter, stepped on your foot, then there is no place to settle old scores. Judging by your comments, you yourself did not participate in those exercises, but you have an opinion. Let’s besides opinion facts. Refute if there is anything. If not, then stop trolling.

[Sands Careers General]

We are everywhere. And these bomb shelters greatly helped the peaceful, when the APU and the Natsik killed them.

[Esoteric]

They (the Americans) will use WMD, including nuclear weapons and nuclear warheads, only in the case of a 100% guarantee of the absence of a retaliatory strike. It is time to understand this and not be shy in local military conflicts to destroy them as an enemy, as an enemy. There will be no answer, but they will stop poking their nose ...

[VAGNER]

Quote: Esoteric

It is time to understand this and not be shy in local military conflicts to destroy them as an enemy, as an enemy. There will be no answer, but they will stop poking their nose ...

You are right of course, but their lobby has penetrated into all structures of power and is now working hard on the souls of our children and grandchildren! The task is to knock out the spiritual component of the Russian population .. Until we resist!

[Bullba]

Quote: Doliva63

"No wonder there are bomb shelters everywhere ..."
Everywhere? I now know in District 2: one under the kindergarten, it was closed a long time ago, the second - near the hospital, since the 90s it has been empty and without doors. And in childhood - yes, everything worked. 2 times a year went with his mother "on alert"

I live in Moscow, sviblovo, a house built in '89, everything in the courtyard, a huge bomb shelter, there used to be garages, in the last 5 years everything has returned to normal, well, it seems to me like a civilian.

[andrej-shironov]

And then they realized that it’s much simpler to “dump” the USSR and then Russia, it’s cheaper to buy its elite.

[VAGNER]

Quote: andrej-shironov

And then they realized that it’s much simpler to “dump” the USSR and then Russia, it’s cheaper to buy its elite.

But they still didn’t succeed in buying the Russians .... No wonder such hysteria has been going on for already a year!
The men work further, everything is as usual (ask your fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers, remember ..) Our cause is right ..!

[andrej-shironov]

Yes, they failed to buy us. But they hold power tightly for a causal place!

[Svarog51]

Come on. If it were so, long ago they would become contingent. But no, and not just flutter, but also show the "teeth".

[andrej-shironov]

I have already written repeatedly and will write again. All the appearance of a fight for suckers. Russia by the current elite has long been built into the world oligarchy, however, on vassal terms. At this stage, there are, as lawyers put it, a dispute between two business entities and nothing more. The West and we need the appearance of struggle to further manipulate the population. By the way, you still feel the catch in this struggle, therefore you used the word “flutter”, this is according to Freud. If there is a fight, you have to fight!

[Svarog51]

If there is a fight, you have to fight!

And in what form do you see this struggle? I am not a pacifist, but I don’t want a war either. I need my family, friends and relatives alive and healthy. Hope you too.

[andrej-shironov]

Here my opinion coincides with yours, but then I feel it will diverge. To begin with, somehow change the elite. Without this, all other actions will be fluttering. And the very first step is not to go to the polls, it will immediately show real support for the current government. Further in the vein of developments. A 1000 league road begins with the first step.

[Svarog51]

It’s hard to truncate the logic, but I’ll try. Elites with a change of power will not change, because it is they who finance their candidate, and the smart ones finance not one, but several and more incognito. They then just do not lose anything during the change of president, but gain in any scenario. But everyone else is unlikely.

[andrej-shironov]

It is strange that you did not carefully read my post, because I was just writing about the change of elites, and not the authorities.

[Svarog51]

And how do you see the change of elites without a change of power. Not even that, a change of power does not guarantee a change of elites. But without a change of power - the elites can change the configuration, but they will not disappear in any way.

[andrej-shironov]

Stalin somehow managed to change the elite. Cruel times require cruel decisions, don't you think?

[Svarog51]

Um, do you see a figure in power equal to Stalin? Find one, the floor of the site will be for - the other is against. In proportion, I could be wrong. But there is no such figure.

[andrej-shironov]

Here I also agree with you. There is no equal on the horizon. In Russia there were times and worse, but the figures were more powerful. However, this does not mean that one should vote for the proposed ones.

[anjey]

The declassified document in question is dated September 15, 1945 and addressed to Major General Leslie Groves. According to this information, the US scrupulously estimated that 466 nuclear bombs would be needed to destroy an ally. The American generals chose 66 cities as their main goals. The atomic bombing was supposed to break the will of the USSR and its ability to resist.

Since then, has something changed in the United States in relation to us? We have a lot, the political system and economy have become integrated under the United States, there has appeared a corrupt elite with villas in Miami, American mass culture has filled everything, the mafia has become a prototype of the American, young people are mired in sex and drugs, a powerful state has broken up in the feuds, what else do they need to give? ?? maybe souls, of each and every individual, rather a territory with our rich resources ....
As they say, you want a lot, get a little !!!! And what you get, you’ll take the hell away !!!!

[Cobra77]

Quote: Captain Nemo

That is, Stalin and Beria personally, tired of the war and repression, created a Soviet nuclear weapon over a cup of tea?

Well, as usual, they won in defiance, made in spite of, launched in spite of. This mantra has been heard since the 90s. It’s just interesting, but what now, in spite of nothing comes out to do?

Forgot about the stone crusher in the basements of the NKVD and underpants in the safe of Beria. Well, about a hundred million executed, they also said nothing, but the lamp of Solzhenitsyn himself wrote about this ....

[Cobra77]

Quote: andrej-shironov

And then they realized that it’s much simpler to “dump” the USSR and then Russia, it’s cheaper to buy its elite.

Read the memoirs of former CIA officers. They themselves were shocked when our party elite surrendered and destroyed the Union. They certainly were active, but no one had the illusion that this could be done outside. Any revolution and counter-revolution (and the events of 86-91 are pure counter-revolution) always have internal causes in society. Shattering and ruining the country is possible only if there are serious internal contradictions in the socio-economic sphere. Neither for German nor for American money are revolution being made. There is always a reason inside. As in modern Russia now. We are also in the borderline version now.

[anjey]

correctly, most of the party and political elite of the USSR, hiding behind the need for disarmament and peace, decided to step into the nouveau riche and the lesser in its naivety and insanity became convinced that all the capitalist jackals would begin to be friends with the compliant and capitalist USSR ...

[DPN]

This Soviet Union was an enemy, as a socialist state, now we, Russia, are friends on the same path of the capitalist. Do our oligarchs not agree with them one hell billions and so on over the hill.

[andrej-shironov]

We have already agreed a long time ago, but on vassal terms. Now there is no ideological confrontation, there is, as it is called in jurisprudence, a confrontation between business entities, with their private security companies, etc.

[Svarog51]

Katz’s offer was not accepted.

[Cobra77]

And then rob someone? The little piggy is small, not enough for everyone. Remember the reasons for the PMV. There are also oligarchs, grand dukes, Kaisers, aristocracy from all sides. But no, it turned out .... Now we are moving there, to a new slaughter and redistribution

[Cobra77]

Quote: Svarog51

Come on. If it were so, long ago they would become contingent. But no, and not just flutter, but also show the "teeth".

This is called trying to sell more expensive, I want to become my own, civilized gentlemen. The only trouble is that everyone is already in place, and no one wants to let the new ones on. Why, if you can rob?

[Zomanus]

That is, these plans are nothing more than wet dreams
then politicians. That's real, how many years would they have
took the manufacture of bombs and the construction of delivery vehicles?
So this is a fairy tale like "from a gun to the moon."

[Warrior-80]

Some crazy plans, due to the fact that they had only a few charges in the year 45 and the number of our destructive aircraft at the end of the war, somebody actually flew to large cities

[Mentat]

Quote: VAGNER

This, I think, is just the beginning ... They are still bleeding Kazakhstan with Russia.!

Such attempts were carried out two years ago very actively. Ended in failure. Neither Kazakhs, nor Russians, nor other peoples of our states quarrel according to the plans of overseas fat money bags, which also have their hands to the elbow in blood.

[DimerVladimer]

Meanwhile, according to one version, such plans were actually needed only for misinformation, since at that time the United States simply did not possess the necessary quantity of nuclear weapons. In the 1946 year, the US military had only nine atomic bombs and 27 B-29 aircraft, which could be used to deliver them.

In general, the military is obliged to calculate all the opportunities and risks associated with attack and defense, draw up deployment plans and the required number of forces and weapons.
From here an order for the production of necessary weapons is already planned.

It would be strange to assume that the USSR did not have a similar plan when it launched the industrial production of nuclear weapons. I did not take into account the production of the required number of nuclear weapons carriers.

The plans of the military are mainly based on the intentions to kill opponents as much as possible with the least possible losses.
It would look strange if the plans of the generals of the USSR consisted in showering US cities with bouquets of roses ...

[Cobra77]

Quote: anjey

correctly, most of the party and political elite of the USSR, hiding behind the need for disarmament and peace, decided to step into the nouveau riche and the lesser in its naivety and insanity became convinced that all the capitalist jackals would begin to be friends with the compliant and capitalist USSR ...

Yes, that’s what happened in general. If simplified. Counterrevolution from the top. On the whole, without conditionally, the Union was in a serious crisis by the 80s, but it could and should be resolved within the framework of the socialist model. Fortunately, it was possible. But the new Lenin or Stalin was not brought. There were only Yakovlevs and Gorbachevs. And here we are ....

[Cobra77]

Quote: andrej-shironov

Here my opinion coincides with yours, but then I feel it will diverge. To begin with, somehow change the elite. Without this, all other actions will be fluttering. And the very first step is not to go to the polls, it will immediately show real support for the current government. Further in the vein of developments. A 1000 league road begins with the first step.

Elites are just derivatives of public relations. Their extreme if you want. Until the society ripens, no change will take place. The 17th year didn’t happen from scratch in due time. To change the socio-economic relations, the state must receive a serious internal crisis. Most often this is due to external factors, they exacerbate and push the limits of latent or sluggish contradictions in society. Weaken the repressive apparatus of the state. But the result can be very different. In RI, this led to a sequence of two revolutions against the background of a complete fiasco at the front and in the economy. The result is a socialist state and a grand leap in all spheres with a result in the form of one of two superpowers. In Germany, however, this led to the Nazis coming to power, the death camps, the world carnage, the country in ruins, the division into two countries and the shame for their past so far. It all depends on what forces and ideas prevail at the time of the crisis. Now, unfortunately, nationalist ideas are growing in Russia. In general, you can look at our brothers to understand the trends in our country. After all, we have come one way, one people and the same mentality.

[Mentat]

Quote: cobra77

Quote: anjey

correctly, most of the party and political elite of the USSR, hiding behind the need for disarmament and peace, decided to step into the nouveau riche and the lesser in its naivety and insanity became convinced that all the capitalist jackals would begin to be friends with the compliant and capitalist USSR ...

Yes, that’s what happened in general. If simplified. Counterrevolution from the top. On the whole, without conditionally, the Union was in a serious crisis by the 80s, but it could and should be resolved within the framework of the socialist model. Fortunately, it was possible. But the new Lenin or Stalin was not brought. There were only Yakovlevs and Gorbachevs. And here we are ....

There was also Andropov, who jerked to straighten the roll, but suddenly somehow after that he immediately fell ill or became ill. "He caught a cold in Crimea." The common cold is not a joke! - terrible "inflammation of fiber", postoperative wounds did not want to heal, and so on.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

who doesn’t bother me, where did he live, I’m confused by the nonsense of the political officer, by the way either the comrade lived in the GDR or in the village where they saw chocolate a couple of times a year and hunger the rest of the time
described everything below, he would decide on his fantasies

Are you unlucky in life with the political officer?
And I, yes, lived in the GSVG (on the territory of the German Democratic Republic), lived in the towns of the Union, where once there was a village-settlement through the fence (those who lived there had served time for treason against the motherland during the war), there really was a shortage of chocolate butter there. In addition, he lived with his parents in the military towns of Dzhulfa and Nakhichevan, in Gori we lived opposite the house of Stalin's mother, and a little to the north - in a town that is still not on the maps. This is not a fantasy, Vasilenko, but such a life was - my father was not an office hamster, but served his homeland.
By the way, the name Vasilenko met me somewhere in the army - have we ever crossed paths? Do not be shy if that. In Classmates and Desantour, I correspond with many of those with whom I served. Not a single one wrote about the "political lie".