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Kiev could sell China the secrets of the Soviet supertank "Hammer"

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The next series of images of Kharkov appeared on the Internet tank Object 477 Hammer, which is still one of the most secret Soviet developments, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


Kiev could sell China the secrets of the Soviet supertank "Hammer"


According to experts, the photos were scanned from a special technical description, which was probably published in very limited quantities during the testing period.



“Despite the fact that Hammer has been around for many years, the details of its design have not been officially made public. However, it is believed that even now this tank surpasses the best foreign models in such characteristics as armor protection and firepower (the 57-ton tank was armed with an 152-mm cannon), ”writes material author Dmitry Lemeshko.



Therefore, the author notes, the special piquancy of this stories gives the fact that for the first time these drawings appeared on one of the Chinese forums. It is possible that “some of the Ukrainian officials sold some of the documentation for this unique machine in the PRC, and there, as you know, they are now actively working on new generation armored vehicles,” the publication says.



This is not surprising, Ukraine has repeatedly shook the scandals associated with the sale of military technology to China. A recent example is “a criminal case on the transfer of secret data on the Thunder-2 missile system being created only,” the author concludes.
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  1. Azazelo
    Azazelo 9 January 2018 14: 46 New
    +7
    If I could, I sold it (there and so everything that could be sold to Americans and others), and if you didn’t sell, then the documentation was taken out.
    1. Shura Perm
      Shura Perm 9 January 2018 14: 52 New
      +5
      if the DPRK is flying on Khokhlov’s engines, then they could sell it
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 9 January 2018 14: 59 New
        +3
        The remnants of the homeland are selling!
        1. oldseaman1957
          oldseaman1957 9 January 2018 15: 06 New
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          Quote: alex-s
          The remnants of the homeland are selling!
          “Why be surprised?” Through the corrupt mentality with high self-conceit. The time will come, "puppies" as unique geeks will be studied. Someone will even get a doctor on this. But not Maxim Yali! - This is also "unique"!
        2. 210ox
          210ox 9 January 2018 15: 27 New
          +6
          They do not have a homeland. They rejected everything Soviet.
          Quote: alex-s
          The remnants of the homeland are selling!
        3. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 9 January 2018 16: 22 New
          +5
          Homeland? Yes, it’s unlikely ... their homeland is a Carpathian village ... but they are selling it as part of decommunization, they don’t need shovels, development and the rest of the legacy
        4. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor 9 January 2018 17: 56 New
          +3
          And they are not homeland.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 9 January 2018 15: 12 New
        +6
        Quote: Shura Perm
        if the DPRK is flying on Khokhlov’s engines, then they could sell it

        Quite possible. BUT, without Khokhlov engines, the entire Russian shipbuilding program stands still ((
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 9 January 2018 15: 58 New
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          Quote: Normal ok
          BUT, without Khokhlov engines, the entire Russian shipbuilding program stands still ((

          Firstly, not Khokhlovsky .. they gave them to produce, the Soviet engine ..
          Secondly .. not all ..
        2. Non liberoid Russian
          Non liberoid Russian 9 January 2018 16: 23 New
          +7
          tell it to Rybinsk ... there the plant already plows in three shifts
        3. bk316
          bk316 9 January 2018 18: 08 New
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          BUT, without Khokhlov engines, the entire Russian shipbuilding program stands still ((

          Khokhlovsky? Oh, another self-esteem! Since when did Soviet engines become hohlyatskimi? Did you dig them out when the black sea was digging? And you sent Gagarin into space? You have renounced ALL SOVIET, so keep quiet about engines, missiles, tanks, and say that there tanks are silent about pipes and rental, you only have black soil, and I don’t think for long.
          1. Antares
            Antares 9 January 2018 23: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: bk316
            Since when did Soviet engines become hohlyatskimi?

            bash on bash. If everything Russian will be Soviet in the names, then I do not mind.
            No one refused the Soviet. Use. What is broadcast on TV and some elements do not count. Gagarin is a Soviet citizen. Like Korolev, Glushko and others. This is not a Russian achievement either. Like victory in the Second World War and 2 MB.
            But the Russian Federation and Ukraine are only fragments ... but eagerly dividing the achievements of the USSR.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 10 January 2018 03: 39 New
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              Quote: Antares
              bash on bash. If everything Russian will be Soviet in the names, then I do not mind.

              Russia is the legal successor of the USSR and in fact it is one and the same.

              Quote: Antares
              No one refused the Soviet. Use. What is broadcast on TV and some elements do not count.

              Actually, this is your state policy, and not some elements.
              Quote: Antares
              Gagarin is a Soviet citizen. Like Korolev, Glushko and others.

              Of course, they are Soviet citizens, this is no one in doubt. The first satellite and the first person launched the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation.
              Quote: Antares
              This is not a Russian achievement either. Like victory in the Second World War and 2 MB.

              These are undoubtedly Russian achievements, since the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR and RI. This is the same country with only different names.
              The victory in the Second World War is the victory of those who have the heroes of the Beetles, not Bandera. Those who wear St. George or Guard ribbons with pride, and do not prohibit them by law. Those for whom there is a difference between a Soviet soldier and an accomplice of the Nazis, those who do not equal the veteran of the victorious soldier and the veteran who served the Nazis (Bandera). Ukraine has abandoned its past, this is your choice.
              Quote: Antares
              But the Russian Federation and Ukraine are only fragments ... but eagerly dividing the achievements of the USSR.

              You are blatantly lying. The Russian Federation is not a splinter, but all the same country without only 14 republics. Here Ukraine is really a splinter that considers itself occupied by Muscovites.
        4. Abel
          Abel 10 January 2018 14: 17 New
          +2
          For reference: Ukraine practically did not develop engines, technical documentation was handed over to them
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 9 January 2018 14: 57 New
      +7
      Well, it’s not pinned and not welded, so it’s sold, you want to eat
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 9 January 2018 15: 07 New
        +1
        A nation of dill (not Ukrainians) - they have already sold themselves without a trace for lace panties and visa-free travel.
      2. dzvero
        dzvero 9 January 2018 16: 01 New
        +3
        And if chained or welded - with a crowbar and a grinder - and also to the market smile
        In the Russian Federation in the 90s they also sold the wrong things to the Chinese; you seem to be punishing such individuals (although it turned out quite legally with the Yak-141 and Yak 130), and sales in Ukraine are almost official.
    3. antivirus
      antivirus 9 January 2018 16: 27 New
      0
      every hi yourself beethoven
      from this nothing and no one has changed.
      everyone remained what he was
  2. Hankey Bannister
    Hankey Bannister 9 January 2018 14: 47 New
    +7
    What are such secret developments of the Soviet tank? The article touched ...
    1. san4es
      san4es 9 January 2018 15: 07 New
      +8
      Quote: Hankey Bannister
      What are such secret developments of the Soviet tank ?.

      ... there were many soldier

      ... Object 477A1: “Note” - continuation of the theme “Hammer”
      1. Hankey Bannister
        Hankey Bannister 9 January 2018 15: 09 New
        +6
        No, I, in the sense that when it was ... What are the secrets since then ... hi
        1. san4es
          san4es 9 January 2018 15: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: Hankey Bannister
          ... What secrets can be since ... hi

          ... They always were, are and will be ... and not only in the archives hi
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 9 January 2018 18: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: san4es
            and not only in archives
            Not only in the archives, for example, there are still patents ... If we talk about dill, it’s our Russia in miniature, where everything is clearer, to the point of absurdity and farce in selected capitalism. In the USSR, indeed, a lot of things were developed (we still live on the Soviet safety margin). When the Omsk Tank Plant went bankrupt, ripping off raw PR platforms for the Victory Parade in 2015, the T-80 tank and the promising T-80N M-1 Bars and Black Eagle (640 object) . So, according to the "Eagle", which was initially seen by our Defense Ministry, only for export, information slipped that the documentation was sold to China. Not only Kakly Soviet fame is being sold for sale, especially since it is no better to sell the Su-35 and C-400 to the potential aggressor Su-27 and C-300, already having clones for Su-XNUMX and C-XNUMX. The scheme of the patent shows the layout of the “Eagle”, which is very close to the topic in the article, but the Omsk model had a fundamental difference - the automatic loader carried to the rear of the tower.
            1. san4es
              san4es 9 January 2018 18: 31 New
              +3
              the layout of the "Eagle", which is very close to the topic in the article, but the Omsk model had a fundamental difference - the automatic loader delivered to the stern.

              hi ... There was such a story soldier
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 9 January 2018 18: 54 New
                +2
                It was, by the way, thank you for the good videos on the topic (but, the ancestor of "Armata" object 195). By and large, and the 195 object from the same story, the tank had a weight on the order of 55 tons, and titanium was used to facilitate it. The armament consisted of an 152 mm 2A83 gun and an auxiliary 30 mm 2A42, which had limited angles of individual guidance. The tank passed the State tests, but back in April already 2010 of the year it put an end to it, as the tank was recognized as too expensive and difficult for conscripts. Now, on the basis of the 195 object, already voiced earlier by Igor Sergeyev (at that time as Minister of Defense), like the T-95 tank, they already made a whole “platform”, crossing the T-14 tank with the heavy BMP T-15 (“Armata”), obviously not for conscripts, and a little cheaper, but without the main thing in the tank, without the 152 mm gun, for which everything was started. I really hope to return to the theme of the super tank with the 152 mm gun, throwing out crap with the platform "golden fish". I’m sorry for lost time and the T-95 tank (195 object). In the picture of his projection. Board Frontal Photos of one of the version.
                1. san4es
                  san4es 9 January 2018 19: 12 New
                  +2
                  By and large, and object 195 from the same story

                  ..Power ... I liked the adaptive suspension. There is also a video about him, the last one for today, on "Objects" .. But somehow it’s not modest fellow turns wink
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 9 January 2018 16: 02 New
      +4
      Technical solutions. Something to peek, something to avoid, and all for free.
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 9 January 2018 14: 48 New
    +3
    Could) ?! Yes, they already sold all that could be long ago! Comrade Eun, for example, is very happy with rocket technology! And the Chinese are all the more so! Starting from tanks and ending with documentation for aircraft carriers!
  4. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2018 14: 52 New
    +6
    It’s hard to imagine more mockery from Kiev - the tank turned out to be a dead end for the development of the T-64 and I think that little can help the Chinese tank building
  5. assa67
    assa67 9 January 2018 14: 57 New
    +6
    and why not sell something? ... they still drove around the ears that this is a prototype of "Almaty" ....
    Quote: Magic Archer
    Could) ?! Yes, they already sold all that could be long ago! Comrade Eun, for example, is very happy with rocket technology! And the Chinese are all the more so! Starting from tanks and ending with documentation for aircraft carriers!
  6. viktorch
    viktorch 9 January 2018 14: 57 New
    +3
    nothing good, a hammer is working out a 152mm barrel for a tank and an AZ for it, the Chinese in theory will be able to rivet the next type no longer under 125mm but more, considering that they are not copying into blunt, then crowbars with a large elongation for 152-155 mm ? 1000-1500mm armor beats like from a bush, full pants of fun armature, abrams, and indeed everyone.
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 9 January 2018 14: 59 New
    +1
    Could? If the non-brothers can sell something, they will certainly sell it.
  8. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 9 January 2018 15: 10 New
    +6
    You might think Russia is small from 1988 to 20.? G. G. sold? Or - in general: "free of charge, that is - for nothing." From territories to people. What can I say about some technique ...
  9. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 9 January 2018 15: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Normal ok
    Quote: Shura Perm
    if the DPRK is flying on Khokhlov’s engines, then they could sell it

    Quite possible. BUT, without Khokhlov engines, the entire Russian shipbuilding program stands still ((

    Rather, the "merit" of our steering ((
    Planning the construction of ships, in the hope that we will "buy" engines somewhere, seems like a diversion sooner. No one responsible, as always (
  10. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 9 January 2018 15: 24 New
    0
    Tanchik 57 tons))) Yes, let them sell)))) There will be another wunder wunder which no bridge can withstand.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 9 January 2018 17: 07 New
      +1
      Lighter than abrams. The same one drives somewhere
  11. Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 9 January 2018 15: 30 New
    +1
    The consequences of the "peaceful collapse" for a long time will come to us
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 January 2018 16: 11 New
    +1
    Ukrainian and secret - two different things ...
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  14. Nemesis
    Nemesis 9 January 2018 16: 15 New
    +3
    Ukraine has always harmed the Russian Federation as it could ... 1) Fought against the Russian Federation in Chechnya and Ossetia 2) Sold in the USA BMP-3, MiG-29, MiG-23, MiG-21, Su-27, part of the available documentation on the Strategic Missile Forces ... In general, the policy of Ukraine is perfectly characterized by the phrase of one Ukrainian citizen that he said about Crimea before the events of 2014 - Ukraine does not need Crimea, let anyone take it, including Turkey, if only Russia does not get Crimea ... The funny thing is that Ukraine fought on the side of the separatists in Chechnya, and now blames Russia for it ... The anti-Russian policy of Ukraine has long been an open secret ... Today, those who consider themselves patriots of Ukraine, for some reason live in the Russian Federation (it’s understandable why), they spy on the military units of the Russian Federation and they report by telephone about the movement of the Russian troops to the Ukrainian Embassy ...
    1. Antares
      Antares 9 January 2018 23: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Nemesis
      The funny thing is that Ukraine fought on the side of the separatists in Chechnya, and now blames Russia for it

      yeah. In that shaggy year, everyone watched Russian (Russian Card) TV and were horrified at what was happening, worried. Or did they want to overthrow the Russian junta, bomb Moscow with Vlasov processions, in your opinion? At the same time send men to the Kuban. laughing
      I agree that there were Ukrainian citizens who quite openly went to Chechnya. Before that, they fought side by side with the Russians in the PMR, but then shot the Russians. Few shared their position. Moreover, they condemned.
      It is easy to talk about the "anti-Russian policy of Ukraine" .... but I am sure that the "Anti-Russian policy" is primarily the policy of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: Nemesis
      Today, those who consider themselves to be patriots of Ukraine, for some reason live in the Russian Federation (it’s understandable why), spy on military units of the Russian Federation and report by telephone about the movement of Russian troops to the Ukrainian embassy ...

      key "why" .... laughing
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 10 January 2018 03: 09 New
        +1
        In Chechnya, 30000 of your UNA-UNSO fought against Russia, and Ukraine refused to extradite them to Russia long before the events of 2014 ... In 2008, Ukraine fought against the Russian Federation on the Georgian side. According to various sources, about 6 aircraft shot down Ukraine’s air defense in Georgia Russian Aerospace Forces ... Your Pvoshniki from the war did not return .. They had the dubious honor of being destroyed during the first combat use of the latest, at that time experimental, Russian bomber Su-34 ... Many of your tankers and motorized infantry did not return from the war ... Your sailors didn’t return from that war ... Ukraine handed over to Georgia a missile boat, which now lies at the bottom of the Black Sea, together with the Ukrainian crew ... By the way, after the 2008 war, Russia refused to supply Ukraine with spare parts for air defense systems and combat aircraft
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist 9 January 2018 16: 26 New
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    They do not have a homeland. They rejected everything Soviet.
    Quote: alex-s
    The remnants of the homeland are selling!

    And who said that the Soviet Union was the homeland of the "horses"? I have tunduks that are ours, that theirs are in "relatives" (I, like most of us from the USSR) "don’t be in vain."
  16. Monarchist
    Monarchist 9 January 2018 16: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Nemesis
    Ukraine has always harmed the Russian Federation as it could ... 1) Fought against the Russian Federation in Chechnya and Ossetia 2) Sold in the USA BMP-3, MiG-29, MiG-23, MiG-21, Su-27, part of the available documentation on the Strategic Missile Forces ... In general, the policy of Ukraine is perfectly characterized by the phrase of one Ukrainian citizen that he said about Crimea before the events of 2014 - Ukraine does not need Crimea, let anyone take it, including Turkey, if only Russia does not get Crimea ... The funny thing is that Ukraine fought on the side of the separatists in Chechnya, and now blames Russia for it ... The anti-Russian policy of Ukraine has long been an open secret ... Today, those who consider themselves patriots of Ukraine, for some reason live in the Russian Federation (it’s understandable why), they spy on the military units of the Russian Federation and they report by telephone about the movement of the Russian troops to the Ukrainian Embassy ...

    And under the USSR, Romania is doing this. This has already been said on the site
  17. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 9 January 2018 17: 05 New
    0
    The 57-ton tank was armed with a 152-mm cannon.

    to install a 152-mm cannon is not a problem, only in terms of the combination of h-k such a tank is less effective, so no one puts
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 9 January 2018 17: 46 New
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      Quote: _Jack_
      The 57-ton tank was armed with a 152-mm cannon.

      to install a 152-mm cannon is not a problem, only in terms of the combination of h-k such a tank is less effective, so no one puts

      Germans are going to put 140-155mm, Americans are thinking about 155mm and only here 152mm for some reason is less effective than 125mm ... recourse
      1. _Jack_
        _Jack_ 9 January 2018 20: 56 New
        0
        “gather and think” from the seventies of the last century, including the USSR “gathered and thought”, but things are still there, the cons outweigh the pros, there are detailed articles on this subject
  18. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 9 January 2018 17: 56 New
    0
    Fsyako better than the Fshists would have driven.
  19. exo
    exo 9 January 2018 18: 41 New
    0
    Something, even there is no doubt about it. And if there were people who participated in the development of the tank, then I’m sure that they visited China. At least the former "Varangian" was brought to mind by engineers from the glorious city of Nikolaev. And I know this information firsthand.
  20. Berkut24
    Berkut24 9 January 2018 20: 11 New
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    “Despite the fact that the“ Hammer ”is already many years old, the details of its design have not been officially announced.

    I think that the documentation for this unsuccessful experiment of the Kharkov plant was exported back in 1991. In the derbans of everything and everything, Khokhlov has no equal in its own economy.
  21. Antares
    Antares 9 January 2018 23: 18 New
    +1
    Kiev could, but the documentation is not of interest. To that it could already be found in the public domain for a long time, they have been talking about the Hammer for a long time. As well as on Compression and other Soviet projects.
    And to blame Ukraine for what it sold there, I would not .. in terms of volumes it is still not clear who has sold more there, the Russian Federation or Ukraine. They sold everything and everything .. wholesale and retail. At 90 for nothing, now the volumes have fallen, they are selling in smaller batches and more expensive.
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 January 2018 23: 59 New
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    Yes, everything has already been sold there, so there is no need for fantasies.
    And this tank ... From the time of the Union, that is, technology was not very then.
    And I doubt that there things went beyond the sketches.
  23. Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 10 January 2018 01: 25 New
    0
    Yes, just recently, in the 90s, we went through such a stage. It was a pity for our country and now it is a pity for Ukraine. We had the ideology of theft, and they have an ideology of hatred of their neighbors, and this will not disappear soon.
  24. LeonidL
    LeonidL 10 January 2018 04: 34 New
    0
    Kukuyev sages can sell everything and everyone and everyone ... the boules would be pennies!
    1. myobius59
      myobius59 10 January 2018 06: 14 New
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      And how do we differ from them.? Only by the fact that everything is OFFICIALLY sold. As soon as something new begins to be produced, the first thing goes into service with the Chinese army, and then to itself. How many recent developments have been sent there, and not counted. In fact, probably 80 percent, the PRC raised its army due to our technologies.
      It still comes around to us, and this day is just around the corner. sad
  25. Evgeny Strygin
    Evgeny Strygin 10 January 2018 07: 13 New
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    everything has already been sold many years ago.
  26. MONEY
    MONEY 10 January 2018 08: 59 New
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    Sold, not sold !! What nonsense ?? !! ?? !! If a tank, to this day, is better than the world’s counterparts, so what the hell did they forge from scratch, Armata ?? And they didn’t take this hammer as a basis ,, and did not bring him to mind ??
  27. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 10 January 2018 15: 41 New
    +1
    Well appeared on the forum - what is it? Not necessarily what they sold.

    Even when there was not a word about PAK DA, the Chinese channel watched an analytical program dedicated to PAK DA. A presumptive appearance has been shown and presumptive performance characteristics. And only two years later the information went to the Russian press.